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Exceeding speed limit by 2Mph is far less an offence than tailgating and intimidating.
In my 30 years driving experience, the police are by far, the worst tailgaters and generally bad, lazy drivers, my defence is to slow down for all tailgaters, especially the police.
See how well that goes in court, "He slowed down, your honour, to avoid an accident!"
This happened to me on new years eve, I'm sure they were fishing and it came to nothing but it doesn't aid my cynicism
(Leicestershire)
I must admit I would have thought the same as the driver..
@@IvyMike. I had a marked police car pull out in front of me at our local garage. I had to brake to avoid hitting them. This garage is where they go to stock up on all the healthy stuff like pies, chocky bars, etc during their shift.
They knew exactly what they were doing. Intimidated the driver in front to speed up, then pulled them over. Who in their right mind is going to stop and call the Police, when they are already feeling threatened by a following vehicle? Also, if the area is known for crime, that makes it even worse.
Dialing 999 in an emergency where you don't feel it is safe to stop (as I understand it) is permitted as an exception to the no-phones rule. I would definitely keep moving and dial 999 if I were being clearly and persistently followed by a stranger, too...
If the cops can get revenue from doing fuck all then they will;, if it takes more than a slight effort to catch a real criminal then they won’t bother….it’s getting like America in the 50’s …
@@user-mv5zt8qd9l Probably do them for that as well.
blatantly mimicking the behavior/technique of car jackers.
If this the case, they will get found out as so many motorists have dash cams front and rear these days.
I was a postman for most of my life. When we started really early in the morning I had to be driving to work at 3.30am. I lost count of how many times unmarked police cars came racing up behind me. Essentially bumper to bumper. Revving their engines, trying to intimidate me to accelerate away for my own safety. Occasionally I'd pull over to let them pass. That's when they pull up, get out, and confidently swagger over to my car. They were always so deflated seeing my uniform and realising I was on my way to work. Didn't stop them warning me that I didn't signal at a junction, or slow down enough etc etc. They always need their little power trips. We all suffered this over the years. Especially early on a Saturday morning.
It's what happens when you give an idiot a high viz vest at the very least..
Imagine giving them a badge too. 🥔!
Goading? I've heard how sly tactics are used to create crimes. I think there was a story about undercover police driving on motorways and watching business vehicles. They would call the company number on the side of the vehicle and watch the driver answer their mobile, then they would pull them over.
As one of these myself it’s a shame some left such a poor impression, however doesn’t mean that we all do it so I do wish people would stop generalising. The few bad apples don’t mean we are all arses, same in any industry
@@mattcatlow47 My daddy says the police can't be everywhere. So, I say we need to find a sure fire and simplified way to ensure safety.
I am sick of seeing people not slowing back down to 30 when coming to a roundabout at a dual carriageway to go straight over.
I have lost count of the vehicles I seen this week with numberplates so filthy they are unreadable!
One such vehicle nearly collided with me as they drove on the pavement around a vehicle with flashing beacons not considering people wearing hi-vis working there. A builder witnessed it.
I know many police cars are up and down those roads but see nothing and have not thought to utilise their social media to put out a warning on dirty plates. 3 incidents I have had in the last 3 weeks in the same area. Am I just unlucky?
@@hannahjames3180 On a similar note. We have a whole stretch of road outside where we live that has double yellow lines with curb blips. That means no dropping off, no picking up, no waiting, no stopping. However there is a Macdonalds here too. So cars park up all the time, half on the pavement, to go in for their burger.. Including police cars. They just don't care.
I've had an unmarked car try and intimidate me into speeding. Was quite a few years ago, road between Skipton and Kendal. I knew he was an unmarked car as I had just passed him finishing up with another biker, lights on etc. He caught up with me after a village and sat on my back tyre for miles, trying to push me into speeding.
Because I knew he was an unmarked, I stubbornly stuck to the speed limit. He was following me through overtakes, I thought quite dangerously.
They're dangerous and a law unto themselves.
Not to mention total hypocrites.
You should have made one of your overtakes neatly and tucked in so there was no space for him to pull in behind you , or slowed down until an oncoming car made it impossible for him to continue and then neatly finished your overtake in front of the other vehicle .
I had an unmarked car goad me into speeding. Got me up to 90+ mph in a 60.
Pulled me over when I slowed to let him overtake & said I was driving very well but ought to slow down a bit.
He knew he was goading me & I think just wanted to play. Let me off with a smile.
There are some good ones out there...
I think the word you're looking for is "wankers"!
@@peterthomas5792 But he wasn't one of them.
@@BillDavies-ej6yeyeah does that make hurting someone ok as long as you smile
We have absolutely had police unmarked motorbikes baiting us into a race, repeated high speed (way over the speed limit) passes and then pulled over waiting for us to pass, then the same process three or four times.
I'm so glad they've caught all the murderers, thieves, sex offenders etc and have the time and resources to go out and find groups of people having a bit of fun on empty roads at 6am on Sunday. No doubt they'll get the helicopter out if they can't keep up.
Well done.
And they wonder why the public aren't on their side.
The camera vans here in Northamptonshire have a full grey vinyl wrap applied but if you check the registration they come back from the DVLA as white on the log book. The grey colour is clearly there to help them blend in. See what happens if you drive around with a car where the colour doesn't match the log book...
it is an offence to change the colour of a vehicle and not record the change of colour .
Ka-ching !
You do not need to notify the DVLA about a wrap as the colour change isn’t permanent.
As he says^. If the change isn't permanent i.e. paint, then it doesn't need to be recorded. Insane, but there you go.
I think that it's illegal not too change the registered colour when you wrap a vehicle - I had to when I painted my first car a different colour
(Canary yellow, since you ask)
Just read on a wrapping company's website a colour change wrap has to be registered with DVLA since 2017
Back in the 1980's, I was harassed by an unmarked police car in the same way. I was riding my motorbike in north London on a wide open road with no further traffic, but this unmarked car persisted in driving dangerously close behind me. Being on a motorbike, I was acutely aware of my vulnerability to being hit from behind. I sped up marginally, but the car was still hogging me dangerously. Unnerving is the word. After a distance, the police used their siren and pulled me over for speeding. Because I was only a few miles over, the charge was later dropped and without me intervening.
The problem is that this is worse than entrapment: it is harassment and reckless endangerment, which are criminal offences. However, with no further witnesses, what can one do against the word of two police officers.
Happened in my car too.... big X5. This is back when dashcams weren't common... but me being a tech wiz, managed to have one... all capture on camera. Chief Superintendent had to get in touch as it was a dark wet road, yet tailgating at less than half a car length!
This exact thing happened to me on a motorcycle in South London
Why not pull over and slow down and let the car pass? If it doesn't pass you you can either slow down some more or wait until they get bored enough and decide to overtake you. There is never an excuse to exceed the speed limit.
@@mal6232 Really? Would you stop when some people in a large car are threatening you??? Nobody else around, no witnesses??? No one to call for help, should these guys have criminal intent???
@@alexugur This question has me wondering if an assault is taking place.
A parking offence is very different from an assault but I wonder if some of these secondary offences could taint a casethes. I see many vans of this general class with high-vis markings, stopped for a few minutes for a delivery or for a few hours. They all have to be parked safely, that doesn't demand the markings, but it seems to be part of the usual package we see.
I do see similar vans with very prominent "Police" markings. So why the opposite extreme in this particular place? Could it be the manufacturer testing sensors?
It is interesting to note that it is acceptable to use a mobile phone to call 999 when driving. Perhaps when faced with this situation, people should dial 999 and report the car as driving dangerously. No doubt they will then try to pull you over for using a mobile device, but too late, you've already got in a report of them creating the dangerous situation. "Do you know why I've pulled you over sir?" "As it happens I am on the phone to 999 reporting you for dangerous driving".
*and it’s unsafe or impractical to stop
just pull over so the BMW can block you in so the occupants can get out and assault your car
@@hens0w I thought more about this and I would probably first try my standard response for tailgaters - washing my windscreen. If they are close behind they cop a load of soapy water on their windscreen and this normally makes people instinctively back off. If they didn't, then I would probably just start slowing down to well below the speed limit and if they still sat there, I would be on my phone calling 999.
You'd be arrested, your 999 report would disappear along with any footage that prooves your point. In theory you have certain rights but in reality police just ignore them and are totally above the law themselves.
@@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24 Possibly, but I'd have a record of the 999 call in my phone history so the police would have some explaining to do if the call recording went missing.
@@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24 Given how many occasions (9 times) the Police had to stop Met Police officer David Carrick and didn't punish him at all for his wrong doing, it seems highly probable any complaint made about a fellow servicing police officer would, as you suggest, disappear and not be actioned. They look after their own, that much is highly obvious.
The only thing that might stop the complaint disappearing is the IT system could potentially block the police from deleting the 999 incident record. The complaint would have been entered into the system and the police didn't identify until a little later that the perpetrator was serving police officer and the complaint has already been recorded. So then the police officers operating the system are at the mercy of the functionality that is provided by the system.
These systems tend to have good auditing functionality - changes made are logged in a permanent record, so if a police officer tried to change the details in the complaint in order to make it appear it is not worth investigating then that change should be picked up.
When I was taught to drive my instructor taught 'defensive' driving - he always instructed us to assume that the vehicle in front or behind was a Police vehicle. Now there are cameras everywhere so I would add 'always assume there is a camera', and know the law. That is what your channel does - brilliant.
There certainly used to be a document which I believe was issued by ACPO that stated that all "speed vans" had to be marked. This was so that the public understood that it was not a revenue collecting exercise but for accident prevention. During the early 2000s, Nottingham Constabulary (and/or their civilian contrator) started using unmarked vans, particularly in the Markham Moor area. One staff member received a fixed penalty notice and contacted me with dashcam footage showing that no temporary signs had been laid out and that the van was unmarked. They denied that this was the case but fell silent when I told them that I had dashcam footage to prove this.
The driver received a subsequent letter stating that no further action was going to be taken.
I am presuming that these guidelines are no longer relevant?
I believe its guidance however in law nothing says they have to be marked, or even have signs. It's mostly just something people expect. A court likely wouldn't throw it out as the offence still occurred and shouldn't have done regardless of a marked van or not. As long as the police have evidence it occurred.
Different counties/ police forces have different standards.
@@pedclarkemobile That's local policy. Doesn't mean they're legally required.
@@alexr8996 my reply does not mention law or requirements.
@@pedclarkemobile I know it doesn't.....
Apparently speed cameras were there to be highly visible to slow traffic down in accident hotspots and make the roads safer, whereas now they seem to be there to catch drivers speeding and fine them as a revenue stream rather than trying to slow the traffic down.
That's all they ever were. Most motorists speed, and they know this is a revenue stream. Also helps the insurers out being being able to charge more when you get 3 points.
Putting Police High-viz Livery on them was their hand being forced by various campaign groups to follow their own 'logic' when they tried to deny they were revenue cameras. I guess they are empowered now and don't need to maintain the lie any more.
The police and authorities actually WANT you to speed so they can then extract your money.
Should be both a deterrent and a revenue stream.
Have enough unmarked ones with no fixed locations like parked vans and drivers who might speed will either be fined a tonne (which is a good thing) or stop speeding anywhere (which is a good thing).
Don't speed and you won't get fined, and it's safer for everyone, very simple.
Also make fines means tested as a % of income, and have it scale based on how many times you have been fined in the last 12 months.
This particular case with the police van "tailgating" is super dangerous in itself though, so definitely shouldn't happen.
You only get caught speeding if you actually speed.
Council's broke, grasping at straws now.
surely tailgating aggressively is itself illegal
tailgating is illegal, aggressive or not.
@@tony_w839 aggressively, as in, conspicuously following
@WalterSobchak That's why the whole story seems sketchy to me, he literally said in the story they have footage of them speeding which would have obviously shown them tailgating and following the car. Their evidence for prosecution is also your evidence for defence.
@@Gruxxan tailgating, regardless of manner or intention, is illegal
@@Wolfy11188 Thats why it's a pity this case didn't go to court and the driver just accepted the points, because the police footage of the driver "speeding" (and only just!) would also have shown how badly the police themselves were driving and I doubt a conviction could have been made taking that into account. Of course had he/she had a rear facing dash cam the police probably would have dropped the case immediately. This really is not good PR for the police force in question AT ALL!
Rear view dash cam would have been useful in the case of the car being followed by what turned out to be an unmarked police car. Their abuse of their position would have been evident.
Didn't really need a rear view dashcam, the police were nice enough to record the whole incident for you, and that could have been shown to the court.
@@gordon861 more than likely, that it would have not been available in court.... As in due to human error deleted!!!!!!
@@gordon861 And that video would accidentally be deleted/lost.
@@TheJon2442 Thot the very same
* Pro tip: the break pedal can be used to collect forensic evidence on the back of your car.
A very informative video, thank you. I was charged with a criminal offence in the 1980s and my Barrister tried to apply for an abuse of process. However, he was unsuccessful, as it is usually an uphill battle to prove abuse of process by the police or C P S. Ultimately, I was found not guilty and since that time I have never been on the wrong end of the police or justice systems. Best advice for speeders is to simply not speed. I really enjoy your videos; great insight!
i was driving through a 20mph a few years back and was tailgated by some coppers flashing his headlights at me to hurry up , i just pulled over and the pair of them just gave me a dirty look. no wonder people have so much antagonism towards the law
if it's about safety.. then remove the cash part of the fine.....
@WalterSobchak it's a revenue generator, always has been
But there’s inherent issues with that. If you’re eligible for a course, it’s an external company and that costs money to run (at a profit of course). The pay-off being is that you don’t get fined and points and avoid the higher insurance premiums. You go to court and get found guilty, you get fined+points+court costs+insurance goes up.
If the court decided not to fine and add court costs, you can bet your last bread crumb the insurance companies would bleed you.
They are no longer called " fines " but rather penalties...
Go Learn why this was changed and you will educate yourself some what legally for the future..
For the love of God don't type it into Google..
Definitely still called fines in the UK, whether it’s criminal or motoring. The ‘penalty’ for motoring offences is points+fine or just a fine.
@Yammy Yam it's legally most definitely not called fines. People assume this is the case. But when you read up on it you learn why it's now called penalties and not fines.
In legal wording and terms and settings a person can easily get out of a fine, because a fine is not legal in many applications as it was brought to light.
So courts changed the term from fine to penalties.
People just never bothered to educate themselves and still assume its a fine.
I had this once. I was traveling home and was tailgated by what I could make out as a Vauxhall nova. A typical "boy racer" car at the time. I was used to boys"challenging" me because at the time I drove a Renault 5 GT Turbo. The car behind had many chances to overtake but didn't, so to put some distance between us, I used the car's acceleration and handling to shoot around an S bend and left the nova for dust. Next thing the lights come on and I get pulled over and breathalysed. I don't have the habit of answering police back, but I called his driving abysmal and I feared for my safety the way he was driving. He said I said lucky he was not a traffic car otherwise I'd have been booked for speeding. I replied I would hope a traffic officer wouldn't have behaved the way he did.
5s are shit slow
1.4 turbo? a nova Sr would be able to keep up and maybe beat u ... typical boy racer? what u think a reggie 5 is?? mate dont chat crap u was speeding end of and dont act like your hot hatch is any different to a Nova ... i owned a mk2 5 turbo and a nova sr a 205 gti etc and if u was in that era u was a boy racer... now i am off to read my max power!.
trying to shame another hot hatch driver is all kinds of f up
Exactly how I got my first ticket.Very noticeable the culture when I venture into neighbouring North Yorkshire
i had exactly the same happen on the M5, late night, i was in the middle lane overtaking a bunch of cars, tailgated at 80 even though the outside lane was clear, blue lights came on at 100. averaged 92.7 so only got 3 points.
I was repeatedly and unfairly targeted in my R5 GT Turbo back in the 90s by the police.... the car was a magnet for trouble and police attention which ultimately led me to selling it and buying a 1.0 fiesta
A friend had exactly the same situation many years ago (MK4 Cortina for clarity). Same MO; his wife was driving late at night and car came up behind and started tailgating them. My friend told her to keep calm and pull off at the next next junction and stop. She did just that, pulled off and hit the brakes. Police were so close, they rear ended the Cortina. Wrote both cars off and caused whiplash injuries to my friend and his wife. This was well before dash cams, so it was their word against the police. They did eventually get compensation and the police driver was charged, but I can't remember what with. Ultimately I think it came down to they were to close so it was deemed the police at fault. At the time of the accident they were subject to a lot of intimidation by the police at the scene.
this shows they aint changed even with camaras dont scare me police but most aint like me its law if you hit some one up the arse yer waz 2 close ive done it buy i ride a motercyle the police are more dodgy than teeths least they only want yer money ploice want money and yer freedom know yer rights an video every 2 weeks ago got pulled over wouldent let the serch my inside pockets let em pat me down but have pull me in to do a proper serch soon as they found out i would be awkward and not bet come sit in car yer dont have to its not law in the end after them fishing an me takeing the piss by giveing stoopid answers going round an round they got a call an jus went of i made sure i giveem the walk of shame care more about revenue than us who pay them it waz coz he waz in a bmw bet he wernt white
My point precisely
Surely a rear end collision is a strict liability offence and by definition the fault of the following vehicle?
Common scam by Rats in USA
@@casinodelonge wot I thought that as well mean yer to near insurance won't pay out
wow this happened to me when 17 on my motorbike,forced you into speeding then giving you a ticket...well done exposing this
If it becomes illegal to talk handsfree on the phone in the car, then will it also be illegal to talk to your guests in your car?
Yes, I was thinking this myself, talking "hands free" is no different to talking to a passenger, or as I often do, sing along to the cd which is playing. Where will it all end?
If anything talking to passengers inside your car is more of a distraction than the hands free as you're tempted to look at them every now and again during the conversation. Eventually loads of people should just get the same radios the police use while they're driving just to prove how hypocritical it is.
No. because the passenger is part of the situation. They are aware of the situation.
Of cours, if you do a movie chat turning your heads to look at each other, that is another story completely.
As for the singing along, if you are playing loudly and headbanging, to the detriment of your attention to the environment, you are of course guilty of driving unsafely.
@@57thorns So what youre actually saying here is looking ahead and talking isnt the same as looking ahead and talking. Well done 🤣
The first part of this reminds me of when I got accused of trying to evade and outrun the police after I had pulled into the Police station car park and was walking up the steps to the entrance.
The story started after I had driven past some thieves busy emptying a shop at 4 in the morning and they threw something at the car, hitting the back. Not wanting to hand around as 2 large guys jumped into a car, so floored it and ended up driving through a pedestrian zone (Before cameras) and shook them off. OK I was speeding slightly afterwards, but as I didn't have a phone and the police station was about a mile away, I though it better to get there quickly and the Police might have a chance to catch the thieves. Roughly 300 yards before the station a car pulls up right on my rear bumper and stays there. Thinking it may be the thieves I floored the throttle, turned hard into the station and ran for the entrance.
Turns out the car was a patrol car and the policeman dragged me back to the car and pointed out the broken rear light. He was more interest in this and my speed than the break in. So after he finish his tirade I calmly walked into the station, followed by him and asked for one of a list of inspectors that I knew. His face was an absolute picture as a shout then went out as someone else had just reported the shop being broken into.
A short conversation with the Inspector has the ticket torn up and the PC told to go out and not come back until he found the thieves.
I bet hes still looking - on full pay and all perks as his instuctions were "dont come back til you find the thieves" - any excuse not to do any real policing you now the stuff that catches thieves vagabonds pedos drug smugglers etc
Several Years Back I was coming back from having a Drink , my Friend was duty Driver , a non drinker . He started to slow down , a Car had come on us fast , Headlights on full beam , mpossible to see properly , Car was lit up like a Lighthouse . Next thing , Blue flashing Lights . Copper came up and said '' Do you know why you have been stopped ? , because you slowed down '' ... much like the Highway Codes exhorts you do do when you cannot see ......
Good mess do though?
Infotainment units, radios, eating and drinking, passengers (especially children), pets etc. may all be considered as 'distractions' and 'banned'. There's plenty of laws enforceable for not driving with 'due care and attention' rather than specifically banning items.
I live in a rural market time and some time ago it was reported in our local rag that police were hiding on the side of rural roads in horse boxes and tractors whilst checking motorists speeds. When questioned about this, what people felt was underhand, practice a senior officer replied " there are camera warning signs on these roads and the police are not obliged to be in marked vehicles". After a huge ruckus in the local media it was reported that they had ceased this practice. One money making job shut down.
Money making job? You do realise that neither the police or local governments actually get any of this money from fines. The money goes into the UK government funds. Why would the police have any incentive to do this purely for monetary purpose?
This ties in nicely with my comment on another of your videos.
Tailgating and intimidation seems now to be a regular tactic, of which I had 5 instances just this past year; each of which turned out to be unmarked police vehicles.
I now assume that anyone driving too close or in an erratic manner is likely to be police, and not to be trusted
I heard of a case where a woman driver was tailgated over a stretch of country road. She got the number and drove to the police station and reported it.
"Ah yes, we've had a number of complaints but now we can send out a message to our cars to find him.''
I don’t think the government can both allow the sale of new vehicles with what amounts to an iPad bolted to the dashboard, then make hands-free illegal. There needs to be a consistent approach.
Spot on, no going back to speedo and oil pressure gauge
These new cars should be illegal because putting all controls on a screen makes you take eyes off the road.
@@dougsaunders8109 … most people wouldn’t know the purpose of an oil pressure gauge nowadays...
… Better to let the ‘computer’ look after everything and stop the vehicle and pop up a red light when it goes wrong!
Just like how the government gave road tax incentives for people to buy eco-engines, then just moved the requirements for people to get into certain brackets. Or how for decades, it was 'petrol=bad' so we bought diesels, now diesel's are bad and petrols aren't.
@@thewaywardgrape3838 even EV's are bad now. (IE, loss of tax revenue)
I only have a problem with the speed vans that park right under the speed restriction sign going out of the restricted area, where is is perfectly normal to increase your speed slightly, when there is no danger. This is usually in rural country areas and the end of a village, normally going down a hill.
Police advice on this situation , where you are followed by an unmarked car , even if it activates blue lights is , if possible phone 999 and tell the operator what is happening , also do not stop - drive to the nearest police station .
In this situation , the police driver should be disciplined for dangerous driving ( too close ) and also for placing the victim in a state of fear and alarm . I hope this went to court .
That's what should happen in an ideal world but would the police play along once they see that you are trying to police the police? I suspect not. I'm pretty sure they're going to escalate it and find some fabricated reason to ram your car as you were driving "suspiciously and failing to respond to their instructions to pull over". Just managing your stress levels under these circumstances with all the thoughts and possibilities and scenarios running through your head is next to impossible. So yes, your suggestions are nice in theory but utterly impossible in practice. PS don't dismiss the ram comments I made. I spoke to a traffic cop once and they actually enjoy that part of the job.
Delighted that Old Bill had clearly got all the rest of the crime sorted out, particularly that in Rotherham and Rochdale. Well done chaps.
While I understand your frustration, direct it towards the right area of policing otherwise you’re in danger of sounding like just another gurning mouth breather. It’s like blaming the Prime Minister for your bins not being collected. Rotherham and Rochdale would be down to a specific dept and very specific police role dealing with those offences. Traffic cops deal with traffic/motoring offences….which don’t often carry crime numbers, which Rotherham and Rochdale did, and speed camera vans with ‘police’ on them are usually staffed by local authority civilian staff.
@@yammyyam9382 Policing is policing, John's allowed his opinion the same as you, his points are valid ones, in short - lots of police energy on one matter, not so much IF ANY energy on another matter, some things don't make sense, even more so for some strange reason when it involves abused children and the lack of interest by the police.
@@yammyyam9382
It's every police officers duty to arrest people stealing the country.
@@yammyyam9382 Yes there are different branches of police (I am aware because I was a police officer) but it isn't about so called 'safety' it's a money making exercise which has actually been acknowledged. Police officers are not always honest and fair.
@@richardgallagher4880 Yes if a stop by traffic police results in evidence of theft then they must deal with it and they do.
If only the man had of had a rear facing DVR and caught this dangerous clown tailgating him he'd of had a very good argument for the cop to be the collecting points and a desk job.
This story has a horrible association for me. I was driving through Handsworth (very close to Newtown) in early 1986 at about 1:30 in the morning, returning from my girlfriend's student flat in Handsworth Wood. I was followed off Soho Road into Boulton Road (where I was living in student accommodation). The vehicle, a dark blue Ford Sierra, overtook me and pulled across my path to [try to] block my route.
The driver and front passenger (both male) got out and approached my car, the driver holding something black in his hand. There were two girls in the back of the Sierra seemingly cheering them on, I locked my driver's door (the others were locked anyway) and waited to see what would happen. The driver took hold of my door to open it. I hadn't switched my engine off, so when I noticed that there was a gap in front of the Sierra, I accelerated hard (spinning my wheels), drove onto the right-hand side pavement and away at about 30mph.
The driver rapidly got back into his car and pursued me at speed. To get away from him, I accelerated above 30mph and headed into town towards the Steelhouse Lane Police Station. I was deliberately speeding in order to attract attention from any passing police. I know I exceeded 70 mph at one stage, still with the Sierra pursuing. As I approached the area of the Police Station, the Sierra made off in a different direction.
I waited outside the Police Station for 10 or 15 minutes to recover, and then made my way home without seeing either any police nor, fortunately, the Ford Sierra. I was badly shaken up and extremely disappointed not to have encountered any police throughout the experience. Since I didn't take note of the Sierra's registration number (!) and now felt incredibly tired, I didn't feel reporting the event would be a valuable use of my time. CCT cameras were not common then so the events were unlikely to have been recorded.
On that basis, I have a great deal of sympathy with the experience of the driver you described. I have no idea what my legal position would have been had I encountered any police, but I am sure my physical position would have been very different had the Sierra driver caught up with me, which was my personal priority at that point. My car was a Fiat 131 Mirafiori, and it certainly performed very well for me that day!
Tailgating seems to be a regular police tactic these days - especially at night when all you can see behind you is a pair of headlights.
A woman at work (a lawyer) told me some years ago that there was some youth driving round her village with a blue Bosch light on his car, pulling people over. Personally, I would not pull over for an unmarked car at night unless I could see that it was a policeman driving. Newtown would have nothing to do with it. The quieter the area the better for someone to rob you or hijack your car. A 999 call to the police whilst you are driving is the answer to check if they have an unmarked vehicle in that area. If so you can then pull over if you have not already been rammed off the road. It would be very difficult for the officer to argue that you were unable to see that he was a policeman.
i had this years ago while riding my motorcycle but was an off duty police officer in his personal car about 2ft from my back wheel. i only got away with it due to the fact i had a camera and he was off duty. i pressed charges and he lost his job this was blackpool area
D-B well done serves the bar steward right
Excellent. More people like you needed.
Excellent!
Nice.
I don't know whether I should be surprised or not that there are so many stories from motorcycle riders of this happening, but doing that with the intention to try and catch them speeding to get away from you is insane behaviour and charges absolutely should be pressed each and every time... bad enough for someone in a car, insanely dangerous for a motorcycle on so many levels...
I find this hilarious and yet sad at the same time. When they started the speed camera campaign, the argument is that these vans are clearly marked, so there is no excuse to speed. As I always suspected, it would only be a matter of time before they switched to unmarked one as they will say that nobody should be speeding and that it shouldn't matter if the van is marked or not.
The only thing shocking is that they didn't do this much sooner.
It's a culture shift. It was all about crime prevention once. The very presence of the police, or camera should have been enough of a deterrent to stop the crime from happening in the first place and thus making the country safer.
These days it's all just pure capitalism. Any law can be broken as long as you pay the going rate. Hiding law enforcement away means you can catch the fare dodgers. Those people who would be driving safer had they seen the speed camera. The country isn't any safer, but it sure does help the balance of payments.
Had this happen to me twice, both unmarked police cars.
I slowed down by simply removing my foot from the throttle. Reason being the tailgating car has removed its safety buffer in case I needed to do any emergency stop so I need to increase mine to compensate.
They get bored after a few miles
Back before speed cameras were required to be painted yellow and not obscured in hedgerows etc I was driving towards a local village that had a grey camera that was hidden among the branches of a tree, and I recognised the car behind me as being that of a police inspector who lived in the village, so as we entered the village speed limit sign I slowed to 5 mph. He followed me through the village instead of turning off towards his house and pulled me over at the bus stop at the southern end of the road for driving too slow.
It didn't go to court and a few weeks after I was stopped the camera was moved away from the trees and painted bright yellow.
There is no minimum speed limit in a 30 mph restricted area ; however the minimum speed limit on a motorway , excepting circumstances such as traffic congestion , is 20 mph .
analogy: plain clothes officer aggressively and conspicuously follows a lone woman at night, woman turns and kicks the plain clothes officer in the gonads, woman gets done for assault. would this be fair?
no 100% the police clearly had a false impression of 'what sort of girl' she was
Absolutely it would be an assault - that's the law - she would have to argue mitigating circumstances in the Court.
2mph on a quiet road shows one thing. The police don’t respect the public. My daughter’s current hobby is videoing police overtake us while we are doing the speed limit. One rule for them.
The was one in the news in the 1980’s, I woman driving alone through the country a night with an unmarked car tailgating her [so close she couldn’t it’s front tyres] she tried turning off onto another route and it kept following her, so she panicked and sped off,
the car behind chased her and started flashing it head lights, she kept going until she got into town and drove straight to the main police station.
She jumped out of the car and ran into the station and the driver behind jumped out and followed her in.
She is there shaking like a leaf in panic screaming for help and the fella following her reveals that he is a cop and wants to do her for speeding.
[it made the newspapers because she complained but I don’t recall the outcome]
Consider that speed cameras need to have warning signs of their existence ahead, be painted yellow and not be hidden, then mobile speed cameras also need warnings posted, although the vehicles used for this do not need to be obvious. As for the tailgating police vehicle this is a good reason to have both front and rear cameras fitted to your vehicle.
Nothing in law saying they need to warn you they’re there
@@ulysseskruger6095 Certainly, there were ACPO guidelines to that effect. I was involved with a case where we proved with dashcam footage that the van was unmarked and advanced warning signs had not been erected.
The requirement for warning signs was withdrawn in 2007 and only applied to partnership operations.
Speed limit was always set for the road. So if built up 30, 40 more open road and so on. The issue I have with speed limits is the new 20 limits across some London Boroughs. There is one example I know well where you travel out of Bromley into Lewisham. The Bromley part of the road is round a-bouts and side turnings and not a wide road. As you travel into Lewisham the road opens up wide footways no parked cars or houses and arrow straight, giving great sight lines, is a 20. Makes no sense.
What part of driving in London does make sense these days... TFL Tax Fine Litigate
@@glenn7245 true, I use public transport to travel into central London. I live right on the edge where there is no public transport. 3/4ers of a mile to my closest bus stop, no footpath. Mayor and his 1000 monkeys would never write the classic given 10,000 years
I drove through Nottingham City centre one evening before Christmas. I've not driven through for years and noticed long stretches of 20mph speed limits. Keeping to 20mph was really difficult with a line of cars tailgating you. It did seem awfully slow especially on some of the wider stretches of straight road leaving the city
The point is if there was some sudden way to sense every person who broke speed limit over next month and they didn't know. 80% of the country would be banned by the end of that month. And since people didn't know it was happening people's speeds would not have changed and the only safety advantage would be no cars left on the road
Same thing happened to me. I was allegedly driving between 5-10mph over limit on a dual carriage way at 2am in surrey. Unmarked car was on my tail. I said the same thing I feared for my safety however once they checked my license and insurance they let me go. The fact that I was driving a sports car and if I wanted to speed I could have easily got away might have helped and the fact that I owned that car for over 10 years probably helped my case. They suggested that if I was in fear for my safety I should have called 999. I said that would have given me a different charge as we are not allowed to use phone while driving. They said if you are in fear for your safety then you can call 999.
I thought some guidance was issued that stipulated speed camera vans carry specific and identifiable markings?
In recent road works on the M6 in Lancashire,there was what looked like a highways work van parked inside the cones only when you were passing it did you see the rear camera window ,no markings saying camera van and around Sunderland there's one complete with orange flashing lights just like the council vans have.
A car sped behind me flashing the headlights, I thought it was a racer so I switched lanes as the car passed it was a marked police car. I put it down to them wanting to keep a low profile, but when I pulled up at the lights they were waiting in traffic. I told the driver that he was childish and to behave himself.
Although I am a law abiding male pensioner, with no criminal record, I find that there are so many laws out there now, that I am constantly stressed, wondering if I might be committing and offence of some kind, like driving ( minefield ) or being observed constantly by CCTV, trying to catch me dropping a sweet paper or something, hoping we don't get attacked with a Kinfe or machete wielding nutter. Etc, my wife and I have got to the stage where we rarely go beyond our property boundaries, unless absolutely necessary. Thank god I spent most of my life in a great world, not the world of crap we have made for ourselves today. John. UK.
I would have thought the police in the BMW would have been filming what they were doing?
Surely tailgating is driving without due care and attention and a complaint should have been made.
It's a sad state of affairs that a force that was set up to protect the public has morphed into one that works hard to prosecute and intimidate the same public.
I put my mobile in the boot when I am driving a distance away from home and have still been pulled over and accused of using a phone while driving, the copper looked really pissed off that my phone was in the boot and therefore I couldn't possibly of been using it.
Well, if you are adjusting the AC you are distracted from the road, if you change a radio station you are distracted from the road, having a conversation with passenger you are distracted from the road… are they going to ban all of these too … 2-3 mph over the speed limit is a bit petty 0100 -0200 in the morning…. Assuming there was no other road users or pedestrians its boarder line ridiculous…🤬
If this is true about an unmarked speed camera van , then as this is a commercial vehicle someone may want to ask the police why they are ignoring this and have they specifically mentioned to their insurer that the vehicle is in contravention of Section 05.2.3 of Chapter 8 part 2 of the Traffic Signs Manual specifies that vehicles stopping on roads should use the following specifications for chapter 8 Markings to ensure that it is safe and visible
Rear reflective markings on cars and vans should be upward facing chevrons in alternating red and yellow stripes.
Each chevron stripe should be no less than 150mm in width and angled upwards between 45 and 60 degrees
The red stripes are to provide maximum night visibility and therefore must be of retro-reflective material
The yellow stripes should be non-reflective and fluorescent, contrasting with the red to provide sufficient daytime and dusk visibility.
Without obscuring windows, lighting and reg plates, the chevrons should cover as much of the rear as possible.
go for it!
I had exactly this on the dual carriageway A30 west of Honiton in 2016 at 10.30pm. I became aware of a dark vehicle (sporty looking Volvo) close behind me who had joined on a slip road and accelerated to catch up. After a couple of minutes I indicated on the left as a gesture for the car to overtake rather than tailgate. It didn't and followed me for at least 5 minutes making me very intimidated and nervous. It mimicked every move I made. Now I drive a car known for the ability to reach high speeds but stuck to 70 - 72mph. 4 miles from Exeter my speed increased simply by virtue of a downhill stretch that would seem ridiculous to apply the brakes on a clear dual carriageway with little traffic and good forward visibility. Moments later... I was bombarded with all manor of bright flashing blue and white lights from behind. I pulled over to be stopped by 2 female police officers for speeding claiming I had reached 76mph. They were surprised to see a 72 year old man with a base ball hat (i have skin cancer on my head) driving a 6 month old BMW M3 with a blemish free licence and a 55 year no claims insurance record rather than a 28 year old lad with a chequered driving history they proably expected. 3 penalty points and £100 for speeding.. Bit**es... go hound criminals not old men not harming anyone.
What happened to the 10% plus 2 guidelines?
how about intimidating behaviour on the part of the police in the BMW
“Nice unmarked speed camera van you have there. Be a real shame if it suddenly caught fire.”
I was followed by a grey Peugeot 405 late at night to my workshop , which was down a single track farm road . Fearing this was a robbery attempt of my tools or something I blocked them at the narrowest point , jumped out and ran to the workshop , dived in through the single door I had forgot to double lock with the padlock (hence my journey at 1am) got my FAC air rifle with its scope sights and went back outside shouting warnings I was armed and ready to fire at the intruders . Who turned out to be plain clothes police ,
After a tense few minutes they agreed to back away and allow me to phone in for confirmation of their ID .
It was all very stressful and they did not feel tailgating a car , then following it with the set high dipbeams to partially blind the driver in front , in to a secluded area was in any way wrong or something. I think they are idiots sometimes.
I would've taken it to court & produced my rear camera footage to show the muppet in the BMW driving without due care. Take note muppets!
I had this too. Driving at 70 and an unmarked car came right up my bumper. About 4 feet away for a few minutes. I accelerated to get into the middle lane at which point the blue lights went on.
The police should be in the dock for this. I had an unmarked blacked out bmw police car do the same to me in Wales. It drove close to my rear bumper to deliberately intimidate me and goad me into speeding which I didn’t do. It eventually got bored and went past but if we were doing that to other road users we’d be locked up.
I distinctly remember a case where concealed speed cameras were contested successfully, by virtue of overhanging tree's etc concealing them, or painting them grey instead of Yellow etc, didn't it amount to a set of standards that was supposed to be met to run these things ? they had broken their own standards etc ?
I haven't had any points in over 23yrs now, even as a professional driver for may of those years, but I also appreciate how easy is it to find yourself speeding unintentionally, especially if you are in an unfamiliar area, If you spot cameras it makes you check your speed to ensure you are complying, thus acts out road safety as is the claimed intent?
Bottom line is the motorist is a cash cow in this country and we are too spineless to stand up against it, Sadiq Khan and other Cities are stepping in to cash in now with their fraud tax, if if was truly about the environment they would donate the process to environmental projects across the country and not to their own coffers !!
All police vehicles should be clearly marked, accept when there are need for covert operations. I've been confused on serval occasions when an unmarked police answering an emergency call with sirens going and stupid blue lights in the car radiator grill flash, , police in my mind are abusing there powers . Police are there TO PREVENT CRIME So some of your remarks a take offense to
Had it happen to me before on a 50 mph road I'm at the limit car comes up a tailgate me, well as in enjoy antagonising drivers who tailgate I slowed down to 45 they got closer so I slowed to 40 eventually I got down to 35 then they overtook me and to my surprise there were two police officers in the vehicle so they got a wave and a smug Clarkson grin as they passed me,
Ive experienced this dirty trick by West Midlands police myself. Driving at the speed limit late at night, suddenly finding a car driving 2 inches from my tailgate. I was alone and feeling threatened and intimidated, i sped up and pulled into a petrol station down the road. The BMW follows me onto the forecourt. Pulled his window down asking me why i feel it necessary to drive over the limit. I said dont you think driving aggressively 2 inches from the back of my car, might cause me distress, alarm and fear for my life. He just nodded , and drove off, i was left shaking. But without a ticket
I think that there is definitely grounds for unmarked police vehicles trying to catch speeders. I live in South Korea and most cars here have built in GPS that announce when you come up on speed cameras. Every cab and friend's car I've sat in, they speed and speed and speed until the GPS starts dinging to warn about the camera, at which point they (and basically all other drivers on the road) abruptly slow significantly down to avoid the fine. That's honestly more dangerous than if speed was just maintained. When I'm home in Canada, the same thing happens with marked police vehicles. People see the cop car, they slow down and hide the phone until they're past the cops and then immediately pick it up again. If people are not driving responsibly, then it's their own fault when they get caught-- be it by camera, marked, or unmarked police vehicles.
That said, the unmarked vehicle riding this cars butt to essentially force them to speed was incredibly reckless and unacceptable, especially from a police officer.
Tailgating by the cops is just as illegal as any other motorist doing it.
Slam the brakes on and let his airbag say hello
brake checking maybe illegal.
Had to avaoid hitting the black cat, "officer".
w watch the copper say that after a face full of airbag.
And a nice bit of compensation for being whiplash by the copper who was not driving with due care and attention and there go 10 points on his licence and his job.
Sorted.
Thing is you never see camera vans outside schools or hospitals. They always seem to be hiding around corners on country lanes.
Which have a terrible fatal accident rate, much worse than motorways or built up urban areas.
Shouldn't the police car driver also have points, as car was close to limit and probably was under it before they started tailgating. Which meant they were also speeding for little reason.
Don't forget "causing, permitting, inciting" too...
This has happened to me.
I’m an insomniac.
I USED to go for a drive late at night, early mornings, to alleviate the boredom of not being able to sleep.
I did the same with my children when they were babies and couldn’t sleep.
The amount of times I got pulled over for just being out at that time.
Even though I was breathalysed, for no good reason, except I wasn’t asleep, and I was obviously never drunk.
Without doubt, they’re bored and trying to intimidate people, like they own the roads after 11pm at night!
My tailgaters followed me home, at 3am, THEN put the blue lights on!
My "crime"? Driving steadily at 30mph, in a 30mph zone!
They asked "If I'd had a drink?"
(me thinking, well I had a coffee at 3pm, I think the caffeine has worn off by now.
It never occurred to me that they meant alcohol!)
No. Why?
"Nobody drives at 30 at night."!
I got entrapped once. It was night time and as I left town a car started following me, I couldn't see what kind of car it was. I turned right down a narrow road, over a railway bridge. I was driving quite fast, but I wasn't speeding. Suddenly this car was right up my backside wobbling widely left and right! I thought "I've got a live one here!" and accelerated to get away from them, unfortunately this involved going into a 40 zone, at which point they turned their siren on and pulled me over. I maintain, I would not have have been going that fast if it wasn't for their erratic behaviour, which, is exactly what they thought of me and my driving.
Mind they did search my car for the drugs they thought I must be on, and found my licence which I had been missing for ages, so swings and roundabouts!
Two or three miles over the speed limit could be down to something as simple as new wheels with different tyres on your vehicle, which would alter the originally factory set Speedometer. The violation is not prosecutable in Ireland for this very reason, which is why the Gardai do not come after you unless you have exceeded the limit by at least 8KPH. I am surprised they even pulled the driver for this!
Over here in the 90s the Princess Royal got fined for driving at 43mph in a 40 limit.
I guarantee no modern speedometer under-reports the speed
@sidwills no, all the cars I have driven over report by about 10%, when above 30mph, which is in line with the agreement with motor vehicle manufacturers I understand.
The best technique when being followed is to slow down until it is obvious to the follower that they have been rumbled. This has been used by myself when I believed I was been followed.
If I feel really intimidated I’ll slow down and put my hazards on. People usually back off then.
@@Stuntman707 Don't put your hazards on when you're driving, it's against the Highway Code. 116: You MUST NOT use hazard warning lights while driving or being towed unless you are on a motorway or unrestricted dual carriageway and you need to warn drivers behind you of a hazard or obstruction ahead. Only use them for long enough to ensure that your warning has been observed.
Law RVLR reg 27
I'm sure some people are going to say something along the lines of "Just obey the speed limit, simple".
In Caldicot recently the put a 20 limit on a road designed for a 40mph limit and the level of non-compliance was 99.6%. I'm sure everyone shouting "just obey" are the people who would be in that 0.4% of drivers. Simialar sentiments were also made by Bristol Mayor George Furguson before he was caught speeding on a road that was designed for a higher speed limit.
Road safety charity Strong Towns have a video on this. The reason for such high levels of non-compliance is less down to reckless disregard of the law, it's more down to how our brains work.
If speeds on a road are too high relative to the speed limit, either the limit is wrong or the design of the road is.
If this happens to you then try to make a note of the registration, time, and distance travelled. Stay within speed limits, dial 999 and report that you think someone is trying to car jack you, make sure you tell them that you fear for your life, that's the important bit because they have to act if a report comes in stating this. If it is the Police following you they will either cease or pull you over to reassure you who they are.
I had a unmarked police car tailgating me late at night in a 50mph speed limit through road works, obviously “pushing” me to speed.
A friend of mine is a police man who often patrols in unmarked cars.
He concedes he is a bit bipolar when it comes to driving behind members of the public.
He is often busy and is keen to respond to calls quickly, albeit the circs of the call may not justify him using the police exemption for speeding.
So he is keen to get there quickly, using the max speed that the road speed limit allows. He is frustrated then if the car in front twigs on that a police car is behind it and so the driver slows down.
On the other hand, he feels annoyed if when not en route to a call, he drives behind a car which is speeding, even if not by much.
Police are human too, I guess.
@@geordiewishart1683 They're not humans, they're automatons
Drivers that speed be very careful as cyclists are also using Radar tech on their bikes that records the speed of all vehicles that pass, which is also backed up by video footage. So slow down and pass them safely.
I would think that a cyclists radar would be inadmissible as it would have to be calibrated by some agency or other. But camera's for going to close to them now is a real thing
Lightweight modern bikes today very often exceed the speed limit.
Yet nothing is done about that.
that would of course be illegal ,and not accepted in a court of law , privacy laws -Data Protection Act 2018
@@derek-press something for the black belt to look at maybe.
@@moochkin, the garmin cycle radar starts recording the speed of all vehicles from 140 meters away and also records the speed at the point of passing the cyclist. Something for the black belt to investigate.
To be clear I am not defending phone use in cars. I ride motorcycles and do not have a car licence. but if you say you don't think people should use hands free while driving, are you also saying you should not talk to passengers in your car? And if you are treating those two things differently, why?
Had similar once coming of a night shift at 5am on a Sunday morning outside Romsey. I came to a roundabout with the unmarked following on my tail so I went round twice pulled of safe quick to verge ! After spotting the driver. They had followed I for several miles ! Turns out I had brake light out. Would of preferred they just pulled me over to inform! I said thank you but also told them I thought they were of less repute !
If the Police are gathering evidence covertly in unmarked vans or cars, is this not surveillance under the Regulation Of Investigatory Powers Act in which case they would require authorisation to gain evidence against a specific person or persons ?
They did the exact same with me. Unmarked car, right on my tail, getting closer and closer. I sped up concerned about the behaviour of the driver. I changed lanes they came after me. I thought they were tailing me to steal my car. So I then accelerated got to about 80, then the blue lights went on. I pulled over, two police officers accused me of speeding. I explained that they were behaving in a strange way tailgating me and driving in an intimidating way. They issued a ten pound ticket. I said they caused the problem. Never took it to court, but if they did it to me, and they did it to this chap, it would appear that this is a tactic they like to use.
"Fearful for personal safety", yep, been there, coming home after a shift at 3am,
was tailed by a car with a lot of white lights, for over a mile, in a notorious car-jacking industrial zone.
I was seriously thinking of defensive driving, planning an escape route.
Pulled into my road, 100 metres from home, do I overshoot?
Blue lights come on! Awaking several neighbours.
"Had I been drinking?" (The cheek of them!) No.
Why have you stopped me?
"You were driving carefully at 30mph in a 30mph area, nobody does that at 3am, unless they are drunk" !!!
One more reason to have a decent dash cam, that shows front and rear view (also worth having one that records your speed).
I had a car a couple of years ago tailgate me on an empty dual carriage way through my local city even though there was space for them to overtake me. I was fairly sure it was an unmarked police car that was trying to intimidate me to break the law - speed or some such. Didn't speed up, was slow and deliberate when I had to break (so couldn't get accused of brake checking them or anything) and then pulled in to a lit petrol station (just in case it wasn't a police car). They pulled in the the petrol station behind me, but then drove through and went on their way.
Because I had footage of everything that had happened, showing the car inches from my rear bumper, and also recording the registration plate, took the whole thing in to my police station, with an innocent "just thought you aught to know about this maniac breaking traffic laws". A few months later out of nowhere got an apology from (a different) police station and also a letter from the IPCC saying the officers had been disciplined for dangerous driving.
But had I nudged over the speed limit because I was worried about the tailgating I would have had footage to show the courts when I challenged the ticket
The police was taunting drivers in the North West of the UK in the 80s & 90s , hoping drivers would accelerate away . The police was using unmarked high performance cars , ie Lotus sunbeam .RS Escort . The police cars would have two black boxes on the parcel shelf reading Police Stop ....
The police force was told to stop this tactic immediately.......
Our local 'road safety partnership' has a website.
They post themselves where the speed trap vans will be on any given day for the next 2 weeks.
In town, there is no benefit to speeding as one red traffic light will end any advantage gained.
Unless Im using my phone as a satnav... The phone is usually thrown in the back of the van, presuming Ive actually remembered to take it with me.
I saw one the other day by Litchfield on the A38, it was an unmarked van next to roadworks with amber flashing lights on top to make it look like a workers vehicle. However when I got closer you could blatantly see the camera sticking out of the back. It’s a good job in an average speed zone that I either set the cruise control or the speed limiter.
A cop pulled in behind me as I left a pub at closing time and tailgated me for about 1½ miles. He eventually pulled me in for "driving straight, rather than following lanes"around a roundabout (as recommended in the police driving manual when there's no traffic) and "clearly clipping a kerb". But basically he was waiting for an excuse to breathalyse me.
Thank you for not saying 'R versus...' Gets my goat when people word it like that. 🙂
For goodness sake how on earth are the police going to pay for their Christmas parties without fines.
Oh and getting brownie points
My sister and brother in law experienced this. Car behind kept coming up close, but sister said keep to speed limit, allow idiot to pass. After 5 minutes car overtook, paused alongside, realised it was a family, was plain police car with uniformed coppers and it sped off.
I'm sure it was tested where someone on the phone using a handset vs a hands free setup somewhere in the US and they came to the conclusion it was as bad talking on a hands free setup, as it was holding the handset..
Obviously texting wasn't included in that as it's clear texting while you drive is extraordinarily dangerous.
What about the waffen ss behaviour with Charline downs 'and Alex Belafield ' you cannot trust them
Isn't it an offence to tailgate
Hands free is no different to chatting to someone in the car.
next they will ban talkinf to passengers abd make it illegal to do so
glad i do non own or drive a motorised vehicle
It is different, has been proven to be so, and has been covered pretty widely.
@@DontPanicDear citations please.
Yes it is, in so many ways.
if chatting to someone in a car is distracting the driver, it can be driving without due care and attention, especially if it effects the standard of the the driving, or worse, leads to an accident
Entrapment heh. ( not in the U.K. ) I remember when the police would use random ordinary unmarked cars and put them at the side of the road with the bonnet up to make it look like it had broken down. The police would leave it there unmanned for days with cameras set up. Eventually they were forced to give up on the practice as people were getting smart about it and taking the registration plates off the trap car. Fixing said plates to their own car and the. Speeding past the camera.
I was fined for speeding about 15 years ago. I was driving up the A1 in the UK and it was a dual carriageway that I had driven up thousands of times. On the exit of a particular roundabout the speed limit went from 40 to 50mph but the little round sign indicating this was almost always hidden by the central reservation trees. About half a mile further it went to national speed limit with another sign. What they did one day was simply remove the (hidden) 50mph sign and sat an unmarked speed trap just after it. Thousands of drivers (including me) were caught driving at 50mph in the 'new' 40 zone. There was no reason for the change, there was never an accident there, no houses etc. It was just a money making scam like most of so called traffic calming schemes. Year ago the police were there to keep order with their presence, These days they are simply out to catch people for breaking dumb rules.
I was riding a motorcycle on M5, centre lane, 70mph and a Renault GT 'something' caught up in the outside lane, clearly giving it some beans with a Vauxhall Insigna close behind. I thought they were racing and I was tempted to have some fun and out accelerate them! Lucky for me I kept the throttle back for, as they passed me the Vauxhall lit up his blue lights and pulled the Renault over.
I had this happen to me about 15 years ago so put truck into reverse and put the accelerator to the floor and reversed into the Sierra that was behind me turned out it was a cop car had my day in court got £600 compensation for harassment.
I'm sorry, but speed DOESN'T kill, BAD driving is to blame for most, if not ALL accidents & fatalities. It is entrapment, & it is always the motorist who ends up being victimised. The police can't or wont catch the real criminals in this country, THE GOVERNMENT.
Police in Birmingham play a game (bingo), where the colour of a car is worth a number of points, with certain rarer colours being worth more points. I suspect that the officers needed a few points to take the lead in that station & the unfortunate drive happened to own the wrong colour of car.
This is why i am glad i have a front and rear dashcam.
If the driver did have a rear camera then they could have used it to prove that the police car was intimidating
In your first example , If I thought that it was the police following me too closely in their 'colour car' ( what we call unmarked/undercover cars around my way ) , I would have stomped on the brakes and caused him to crash into me..... then it would be 'official' ! Then the onus would have been on the cop to answer as to why he was so close in the first place ! ....... As for the ludicrous suggestion that the driver should pull over and call 999...... The cops might turn up in 2 or 3 days or you might be given a crime number over the phone , after the local hoodlums had killed you !.... lol... It's beyond time to have your own 'protection' at the ready , people ! ;-)
Prety much my thought as what to do. Then providing my car was still drivable then drive to the nearest police station to report the incedent.
For the hard of thinking and tiresome contrarians: a passenger can shut up if they see there's a need to, the person on the other end of the phone call can't see what's going and so will carry on talking.
And on top of that, a person in the car is there IN THE PLACE WHERE YOU CURRENTLY ARE, so your focus remains on the car unless you talk to the passenger excessively or/and move your head to look at them whenever you or they speak. A person on a phone is somewhere distant, so naturally, for most people, your concentration goes to the other person and their location, even though your phone is physically in the car. I've noticed this even with walking and using my phone hands-free - I've got distracted from whatever I was doing in the present.
And I've noticed that the radio will reduce its volume automatically when it sees the need to do so too... BS.
@@brianlopez8855 Not BS, but your comment is BS. The radio is not talking to you. And messing around with your volume while driving is distracting anyway.
@@kpopfan674 On the contrary the radio is talking to me and I am listening carefully, why else have sound equipment of any sort in the vehicle ?
I agree on all points raised here.
I think in the 00’s or so that the people that complained about speed cameras being concealed by trees and painted grey etc were used to generate revenue. Those voices rightly so were heard and cameras became hi-vis. The reason for cameras was to reduce speed related accidents at particular hotspots. They did work but revenue fell.
The implementation of unmarked vans shows a shift in priorities and the signs that show a mobile camera van may appear is irrelevant when considering whether it’s a cash generator or deterrent.
These vans are more likely to be a forerunner of the "15 minute cities and towns" N.P.R. Cameras.
A spray can of black paint is a must for every motorist.