if we'd only started with her she'd have sorted this shit aged 4 and made the white walkers melt just enough to see them cry first. she's Queen of your Bullshit. fucking hail.
She gouged out both his eyes then stabbed him repeatedly... then she taunted him... then she slit his throat. Given that Walder Frey killed her mother and brother, I'd say he got off easy...
Miguel Sapochnik is not only one of Britain's best directors, but he creatively directs 'Game of Thrones' episodes better than anyone else, easily raising its quality bar.
Cersei is not smart. Yes, dropping a nuclear bomb on your enemies will kill them. No shit. But she already didn't have the North, or the Vale, or Dorne, or the Iron Islands. Now, she has lost the Reach, and with it, the support of the largest army in Westeros, the Tyrell army. The way she gained her power has also completely annihilated any chance she had of keeping it. Besides, it doesn't take a genius to think of blowing up your enemies. It's literally the least sophisticated, most impulsive move you can make, and it has put her in a terrible political position. She is literally Queen of like a quarter of Westeros, if even that.
She's smart. Not insanely smart, but smart nonetheless. I'm guessing you think Tyrion's smart? Well, he did say he believes Cersei possesses above average intelligence. She does stupid things though because her emotions cloud her judgement.
Jan Mil She's insane. Yes, she may possess above average intelligence, but the bottom line is she barely uses it. She is irrational. And when you get her inner thoughts in the books, you can clearly see that she is mad, and has always done mad things, even when they were criminally dumb from a political point of view. Margaery was far smarter. It just so happens that unlike what Cenk seems to think, being smart can't save you from a nuke, and nuking your enemies doesn't require intelligence. Cenk always goes on about how he would bet on Littlefinger beating the White Walkers, which is another example of Cenk's belief that if you're smart you'll always win, and if you won you must have been smarter than your opponent. But that's not true. Brute force can win as well, and that's basically all Cersei uses. And that's what the WW use, and all the scheming in the world can't save you from that, because it's not a matter of intelligence.
Jan Mil I know that. When I said "Cersei is not smart", I was speaking rather loosely, as a reply to Cenk's incessant claims that people don't give her enough credit for how smart she is. I was considering her actions to determine how intelligent she is, and based on her actions, one would have to say she is fairly unintelligent. You brought up the point about what Tyrion said, which led me to add nuance to my original statement : Cersei may indeed possess above average intelligence (which is a pretty low bar though, compared to Tywin, Tyrion, Littlefinger, Varys, Roose Bolton, the High Sparrow, Margaery, Olenna and others), but it doesn't really matter, because the bottom line is that she acts like an irrational, bloodthirsty fool, and is far less smart than most political players we've come to know. The fact that she killed them doesn't change that.
Gotta disagree with Cenk saying that this showed that Cersei is smart. Yes, she won the battle. She's queen. Now what? She only planned one move ahead. She destroyed her immediate enemy but also lost her only allies, the Tyrells, her son, and her uncle. Jaime spent the entire season saying how all he cared about was her and now he's looking at her like she's Walder Frey. Who is standing up on the dais with her when she's crowned? Qyburn. That is the extent of people (not counting the undead) on her side at this point. That is Cersei's essential problem. It's not that she's stupid it's that she thinks she's smart and powerful enough to do it all by herself. Nobody can do it all by themselves and we saw both the Starks and Dany acknowledging that this episode. It doesn't really matter at this point what she did though because Dany was already going to roll over King's Landing anyway. Olenna and Margaery would have turned on her at the first sight of the dragons and the fleet because they aren't stupid.
Put it this way, in the fight between who is dumber Sansa or Cersei, Sansa wins. Cersei managed to literally destroy all her enemies and become queen without anyones help. Meanwhile, Sansa had a good season going for her, and now screwed up by messing with Littlefinger and basically blowing him off, and you know that he will want revenge.
Cersei is BEYOND not giving a FUCK! She had NOTHING to really ground her even before she blew those people to smithereens. I LOVE IT! I can't wait to see her go MAD QUEEN on Dany's little dragon lovin' ass.
I really missed Ben to point that out to those dumbasses. Cersei is not smart! and certainly not smarter than Margaery. Cersei lost everyone's including her son's support even before her trial. Her only advantage was that she had a nuke. She was defeated and left with only one last desperate move which was shortsighted and equally destructive to herself. She lost last of her children, declared war against Tyrells and Martells and possibly turned even Jamie against her. She lost her humanity and became mad queen in comparison to Daenerys who did the opposite thing.
+BalazarsBrain I don't think she gives a fuck about rules anymore. There's literally NO ONE in the south to oppose her, and even if there was, I'm pretty sure everyone is terrified of her right now.. They probably all know it was her who blew up the sept, and they probably believe she also pushed Tommen out the window to put herself on the throne.
"There's literally NO ONE in the south to oppose her" There are other possible claimants.. any of Robert Baratheon's bastards, someone from Robert's other ancestral houses.. Estermont, Blackwood, etc. and we know the Targaryens are on the way. Sure Cersei can claim the thrown but there's a lot going against her.. the Lannisters are on the decline, she's female, and she's older with no heir (as Lady Olenna pointed out). Yes the people fear her, but also probably hate her as well.. as she just blew up everyone's favorite church. The Tyrells obviously won't support Cersei's claim, and they have a powerful army right around the corner. The Tyrells also control the grain supply, and I'm sure the common folk won't be happy with Cersei if they're starving to death. I don't think she will have much support at all.
The movement of pieces on the board may actually be an issue for some, but not for me. I can perceive multiple timelines occurring at different times rather than just a linear synchronized plot. Like a William Gibson novel, all the roads are on different curves, but they all intersect at the climax of the story for pronounced effect. The fact that they don't show me someone traveling a month and instead show me the result of the chess move, is a key to what makes this show personally so well done and so satisfying.
Show watchers dont know this but distances some characters travel in an episode is many months. I dont Think the writers on the show care about things make logical sense now. They just want to wrap things up in a forced fan-service manner.
I just realized something, Cersei is responsible for Margery's death, who was the granddaughter (correct me if I'm wrong) of Olenna Tyrell. So that means that Cersei just got revenge for Joffrey's death, without even knowing it!
People have a problem with how fast they seem to travel but forget that the things that happen in the show aren't all happening at the same time. It's inferred that time has passed already, they don't have to drag it out to show that.
Cersei isn't smart like Tywin or Tyrion. What she did worked yeah, but it's something Joffrey would've done, not Tywin. She's fucked up every major alliance and is now hated by everyone in the city. And she failed her goal of protecting her son anyway, She's got a low cunning, but you can bet she won't be anything close to an effective ruler in a war.
Absolutely, I don't understand how Cenk honestly thinks it takes much of any brain power to just blow up your enemies. It's literally the crudest, most basic way to solve your problems. She's all emotion without any forethought to guide it.
Cenk is just a wrong individual. He is pretty F'd up. He has always been whacky and dopey. To me he is the comic relief on this show. Not to be taken seriously.
I don't think most people in the city know Cersei was behind the explosion. The Onion Queen figured it out after hearing of the aftermath. The peasants that taunted her during her walk of shame just know the sept is now gone. The people that would have accused Cersei all died in the flames.
I disagree. 1. This was likely the wildfire still left over from the Mad King's attempt to blow up the city. Jamie speaks about it being there, but when he recounts the story to Brienne, it is totally unknown to her, which means that it is probably unknown to everyone other than him and a few other people. And he says that he never shares the story because no one would believe that the Kingslayer did something noble. And since during the rebellion things got crazy, and Robert was never really interested in the details of ruling, the wildfire was probably never removed, and now everyone associated with the rebellion (other than Jamie) has been dead for a while. So she didn't use up the rest of the cache of wildfire, she used what was there. 2. She killed all of her enemies with it at once. A siege by enemy ships (and remember, she doesn't know about Khaleesi's oncoming invasion) wouldn't have given her less power than she already had (since she had none), and instead she gained all of her power back. 3. Anyone in King's Landing who knows or would have suspected that Cersei was responsible for the blast is dead (other than those loyal to her). So she didn't destroy any new alliances, and the Queen of Thorns had already shown that she had no interest in working with Cersei.
Tons of credit to the director, Miguel Sapochnik, who has directed four episodes of Game of Thrones. S05E07 "The Gift," S05E09 "Hardhome," S06E09 "Battle of the Bastards" and S06E10 "The Winds of Winter." 3 of which are some of the most memorable of the entire series thus far.
45:50 Maester Qyburn is the new hand of the Queen. Last scene when Qyburn is crowing Cersi you can see the Hand of King/Queen is pinned on him. Missed Ben Mank. sitting on the left this episode. Orson Welles Rules BTW! King In The North! White Wolf!
Your right. Just want to share information. I love "What the flick" G.O.T. reviews when Ben is on. I like Cenk and John to because they are honest about their opinion if you like it or not. Cenk Got torn to pieces on comments section for Hold the Door
You have your opinion. I love Ben he really is the most esteemed person on the panel.He knows film and TV better than the rest of the panel. For him not be there for season finale seems really off to me. Ben you have some answers to give now! Django you must have loved this review then. Peace!
Brett you and John are so expressive and I adore it! I love how Brett's hands are so dead on ... I love how you love the McBeth and other great literary works. Thank you Cenk - your passion and how well you have caught up and get the excellence of this game the Game of Thrones!!! Thanks for all your work and the gifts of being so committed to observation of and detail!!!!
+cheynedogg dude I don't know, really it's my fault for continuing to give these guys a chance at shooting an actually intelligent and substantive review....Alt Shift X, Smokescreen and BecauseGeek all the way.
I don't think Anna has been paying much attention. Which means she should not be on a "expert" panel discussion about the show. But then again, none of them are much experts, except John and occasionally Cenk has some insightful take.
+800mEric see I used to like GoT academy but I'm an infrequent viewer now cus they always have absurd predictions that kind of turn me off, but I love the historical connections.
The ONLY person we know of that knows the truth is Bran. No one else. As far as everyone at Winterfell is concerned, including Jon, he is the bastard son of Ned Stark. There is no lying here.
I think if you polled 1000 watchers of the show, 1000 of them would say that they love Lady Mormont. She is an impossible character and actress to dislike.
If you watch the ending again, amongst the Targaryen ships you can see ships with the Martell and Tyrell sigil, which means that Vaerys didn't teleport, but they're showing things in different times, when Vaerys went to talk to the Martells and Tyrells Cercei had already blown up the sept, and when they allied with Targaryens they sent their fleet over, Vaerys went back with them, it's a small detail that explains a whole lot :)
Except it won't be to death. There is no way Cersei is gonna let her off that easy. She will not be satisfied until that nun is begging for death and then she will torture her some more. Before finally killing her.
"Your Gods have abandoned you. This is your God now." -Cersei. That line was so well delivered, i got shivers. I could've sworn Lena Headey was enjoying it as much as Cersei was supposed to be. Truly top notch acting from Lena. Go watch it again.
I just want to point out how great Brett has become. His analysis is always on point, his allusions to Macbeth are great and the impressions are so funny! :)
Why do you think Cercei is that smart?? really? she united the Tyrells with then snakes and Daenarys. she united the biggest army in westeros with Daenarys. That was not smart, she planned it corrently, and I beg to think it was all Qyburn, but she did not think about the consequences. The aftermath will result in her Death by Jaimie. Cercei is really stupid not considering the aftermath of all this.
She shows a certain level of aptitude, certainly more than Sansa. But I don't think anyone's saying she's *that* smart, especially not one who allies with religious fanatics to take out her in laws who were posing no direct threat to her. She lacks the foresight of being able to comprehend the big picture, which explains why she's never even considered the threat of Danaerys.
Cersei is the luckiest mary sue. Just when you think shes gonna get it, she's saved by the deus ex machina little birds who just happened to find the wildfire. And now by that incredible luck and her son jumping down the tower Reynholm Denholm style lol she's the fucking queen.
mavdj Is it that much a stretch to believe the mad king had untapped stashes of wildfire that shouldn't be that hard to find given how he never even had a chance to use any of it? I don't consider it a great leap. I find Sansa being alive to be the far greater _deux ex machina_. Cersei at least has always been able to scheme and defend herself by whatever means necessary. Contrast that with Sansa who is just now learning how and yet still pulls mystery moves like not telling Jon she was awaiting word on Littlefinger committing the Knights of the Vale which could have gotten them all killed.
Yea, but she didn't scheme anything. The little birds just happened to conveniently find it at that time. I can see why though. Dany needs someone interesting to fight and have a good spectacular battle. Tommen would not have been it lol!
mavdj What do you mean she didn't scheme anything? The little birds had discovered the wildfire which she heard about in passing long before she decided she had a use for it. Spearheading the destruction of the Great Sept and all who were in it was an act of terrorism that was _schemed by her_. It didn't happen spontaneously.
There was a slight difference, although mostly I agree with you. Her decision to take out Trant was spur of the moment. She actually plotted her vengeance against Frey.
Karen Holmes Killing Meryn was certainly more spur of the moment, but there were some aspects of it that were planned out. She didn't decide to kill him and then kill him within the span of a few minutes, she thought out how she would do it. And she also purposely made him suffer, it wasn't just killing for the sake of having him dead. And even back in season 3, she drove needle through that one guy's throat very slowly in the bar while taunting him when the Hound started fighting everyone. She definitely has experience with calculating the suffering of others.
17:01 My favorite line was when she said "I killed your High Sparrow, and all his little sparrows. All his septons, all his septas, all his filthy soldiers....because it felt good to watch them burn. It felt good to imagine their shock and their pain. No thought has ever given me greater joy." It's the climax of her speech, and you see truly how diabolical she is. Also Lena's acting is superb.
What The Flick squad... love your reviews as always! A great majority of what you all discuss is on point. Just a few things I want to point out for ya: 1) I think Howland Reed knows about Jon's true parentage because he was at the Tower of Joy with Ned. He's still alive both in the books and we haven't seen him on the show (yet) 2) Varys was on the boat because the Martell and Tyrell ships were already sailing alongside Daenerys (you can pick a few ships with their sigils if you look really closely) 3) Daenerys 'loves' Dario but isn't 'in love' with him lol. She says to Tyrion that it scares her that she felt nothing to say goodbye to someone she thought she cared about but really, she just wanted to get it over with. 4) If you put on really high quality ear buds, it's subtle, but you can actually pick up a little of what Lyanna whispers. She says, "his name is Jon and he's... [voice trails off]". So at least we know his name actually is Jon and not some weird Targaryen name like Aegon or Visceriogal or Dalanoharys lol. 5) Time in the episodes, especially now that we are getting closer to the conclusion of the whole thing, isn't to be taken literally. I don't know if that's the case for you all, but I see lots of people getting frustrated at how people travel so fast. It's not that they are traveling at instaneous speeds. It just happens to be what we see as viewers. We could pick up a storyline at a moment after they had spent days or weeks in motion and then they'll appear at their destination or we see another character(s) storyline and it seems like little time passed.
Omg, I love John so much for bringing up the Sam-library scene! In an episode filled with huge things, that did get over-shadowed. But it was a wonderful moment and I just kept thinking, yeah we have the internet, nobody is going to react that way to a library these days, but that used to be "the internet". The difference is, you couldn't access any information you wanted, but at least you could trust it's accuracy.
High Sparrow - It's better to burn out than to fade away Lancel - This blows Margaery - Shit Lorlas - Renley!?! What are you doing here? Oh, wait... Mace - I could go for some barbecue right about now - oh, wait... Kevan - I don't even get a bloody line Pycelle - I would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those pesky kids and their knives Tommen - Time to make my mark on King's Landing Walder Frey - My sons make me sick to my stomach Cersei - More wine!
Yes, she would be. However, Targaryens have frequently practiced incest in the past. For example, Aerys (Dany's father) married his sister, Rhaella. Aegon the Conqueror, the first King of the Seven Kingdoms, married both of his sisters.
I loved that music during the beginning. Does anyone know the name of that piece, or the track name on some GoT soundtrack? I''d love to hear it not in context with the show.
I am a staunch conservative (fiscal not social) and I have to say that one of the things I like about TYT is that once in a while they talk about things everyone enjoys! Game of Thrones (both the Song of Ice and Fire books and tv series) is the best. Love Cenk's passion for the show, hope he gets around to reading the books!
It's so great that you guys picked up on how Cersei's outfit is now like a man's outfit, because in one of the interviews I think Lena said she interpreted Cersei's feelings towards Jaime as her wanting to be him, to be a boy/a man that her father would love and value. That has probably been her secret drive ever since she was young.
Lyanna Stark was not kidnapped by Rhaegar Targaryen. They were in love and secretly married in a time when it was permitted for Targaryens to have more than one wife. Robert Baratheon wrongfully assumed she had been kidnapped because Lyanna was promised to him. Lyanna and Rheagar fell in love on or before the tournament where he crowned her the queen of love and beauty by giving her the crown of blue roses instead of to his wife. If L and R had not been married, no way would the Kings Guard be left to guard the Tower of Joy. They were guarding a legal heir to the throne… Jon (not Snow) Targaryen.
"Queen you shall be... untill there comes another, younger and more beautiful, to cast you down and take all that you hold dear." --- Maggy the Frog Also: J = V
he has one flesh hand.....and one golden hand which cersei herself had made. spent "the better part of an afternoon" on it and everything... i wonder if that hand just about fits round her neck.... and wouldn't it be rather poetic? jaime lannister known through the land as the kingslayer, because he already dispatched of one mad king who had plans of blowing up the city with wildfire from below......now becoming the queenslayer of the new mad queen?
I don't think so because for a brief moment, Margery was Queen so the prophecy was true. The reason why her last son died was because of Margeary, or from the loss of her.
My bet is on Dany as the "more beautiful queen" in Cersi's prophecy. Margaery was very pretty, but Dany was the queen whose beauty sent men to seek her from all over the known world. What Cersi holds most dear is power and family, and when Dany returns to Westeros with her massive army, she'll definitely be able to seize power from Cersi who rules only by fear. Add in the rest of the prophecy (being killed by her younger brother), and one sees that most likely Jaime will be her murderer (especially if she threatens any more acts of mass killing) and will most likely kill himself in grief after her death. Everyone in her family she has ever loved will be dead then.
Those who only watch the show and don't read the books or look into the theories and stuff have no idea about the significance of this scene. Rhaegar has only been mentioned in passing and so long ago and it hasn't even been explicitly defined that he was to be the mad king's true heir.
I never realized it when I watched this video for the first time, but several times Ana just repeats what somebody else just said, it's very hilarious.
I've had my issues with Brett doing these reviews over the last couple of years but I have to say, that this season, and in particular, this episode, he really nailed it. The Shakespearean references have always been there in this show but this episode was pretty much a Shakespeare homage.
Cercei is very much intentionally dressed just like Tywin. She is ruthless and willing to use her own family to get what she wants, just like Tywin. I just love how they use costuming and such to signify how things have changed. Jon is wearing the same style armor that Ned wore. Margery and the people in King's Landing are all wearing high necked modest dresses due to the faith takeover. Gilly and Little Sam are dressed better. Olenna is dressed in black because she's morning. The Sand Snakes are dressed in a more sophisticated manner. Oh and The High Sparrow finally washed his damn robe... but I don't have a significance for this I was just happy I didn't have to look at it anymore lol. So the first time I watched the episode I missed something pretty significant, and I think you guys did too. Arya's creepy joyful smile is a Cercei Lannister smile. The scenes mirrored each other. Getting revenge, enjoying it... "the last think you see will be my face" Tyrion tears up because someone is finally seeing him as something other than a dwarf. His family had always treated him as something "less" for lack of better term. She recognizes how valuable he is to her. The look was gratefulness like he was with Oberyn Martell when he recognized the fact that he's just a baby or a human life like any other.
Good points. I thought, at first, that she looked to be dressed like Joffrey, but thinking on it again, she's definitely dressed like Tywin. This episode was a nice little revenge episode, I enjoyed it...shamelessly and shamefully! Cersei may have been dressed like her father, but she still hasn't taken her father's words to heart when he told her she's not as smart as she thinks she is. She only thinks of the here and now, immediate gratification. And although it felt good to do what she did for her, she will suffer the humongous consequences of that action. That will have a large snowball effect and she's not the wiser for it. She doesn't think long-term, only of what she can do at that moment to make a short point. And Tyrion wasn't always recognized as more in his family (his father did understand that Tyrion was more than capable to be Joffrey's Hand while he was away, and appointed him as such) but the only ally he had in his family was Jamie. Jamie always treated Tyrion like his brother and loved him as such. I know we get Jamie's reaction and disdain for what Cersei has done and has become, but I'm waiting to see what Tyrion thinks of what has happened to his niece and nephew while he's been away, as he adored them both and they loved him. These last two seasons coming up should be amazing!
Your points re Cersei's costume is well taken.But for me,intentionally or not ,Cersei looks like "Joan of Arc" now.About her actions-she had no other choice.What person with the power/options she had would face further humiliation and opt out of revenge?
docsmithdc "What person with the power/options she had would face further humiliation and opt out of revenge?" My answer is, Jamie. He sacrificed his own honor and reputation which meant a lot to him to save people from the Mad King's wildfire. Now his sister/lover just did exactly what he'd prevented from happening before. She did so for selfish reasons and Even if she didn't want Tommen to die she knew Tommen loved Margery and Cercei recklessly disregarded that and was busy torturing a Septa while her son flung himself out of the Red Keep tower. When Jamie killed the Mad King, he chose love and Cercei chose revenge, power and hate. There is always another choice. She could have taken personal responsibility for her actions. They weren't going to kill her. Her life wasn't in danger, only her pride and her perceived power were at stake. Those things apparently meant more to her than her own son's happiness and his very life.
I liked much of your comment, but I have to disagree with your prospective on Cersi's choice. Had Margaery not influenced Tommen to abolish trial by combat (as almost certainly is the case. It's highly doubtful that simple minded Tommen really researched the history behind it and actively wanted to condemn his mother to a certain guilt verdict), Cersi could have won and remained Queen Mother, properly chastized and living in the shadow of the royal couple. Margaery wasn't happy with that, though: she wanted revenge for Cersi turning the Faith on her and her brother and sought to eliminate Cersi from any possible influence over Tommen. Cersi choices were then to either face a public trial in which a guilt sentence was all but certain (which would have entailed exile, death, or perhaps most horribly, being forced to become a septa and serve the High Sparrow's whims for the rest of her days) or eliminating her enemies. She chose the latter. And when Tommen sided against her in favor of Margaery and the High Sparrow, Cersi may have resigned herself to the prophecy that all of her children were doomed to die before her and accepted his fate. Either way, as horrific as it was, Cersi's actions were quite reasonable given her situation.
OH MY GOD, Ana has no place on this panel...that question about Jon Snow...seriously!? Asking if Jon is the son of Ned or Robar, were you NOT paying attention at all? Horrible, and cringeworthy.
Ana doesn't watch the show, she said that all of the Stark kids are still alive while 2 are dead. Thinks Arya killing Walder was the first gruesome thing she did . Meryn Trant ring a bell? Or how about the Waif's face being cut out of her head? Also Jon Snow question is pretty bad.
Yes, all the things Arya has done far outweigh a simple cut throat. She should not be on the panel ever again, it's an insult to dedicated viewers of GOT and TYT.
Yeah I came in late to GoT late and binged season 1&2 before season 3 dropped. Now I started watching after being heavily urged to do so by friends and peers. Unfortunately, I had to explain to MANY of those same people whom got me to watch in the first place who Jon's mother and father were after this episode. It was so disappointing because I wanted to freak out with them lol. Oh well...
Huh, the way I perceived Sansa's reaction to Jon's support was that she was happy for him and supported him also; she has never expressed any desire to be Queen or hold great power. But she looks at Baelish and remembers what he'd told her and maybe a little part of her is starting to want that power.
John, Cenk, Brett, and Ana are my favorite panel combo and I have watched all What the flick GOT reviews, they give a much better discussion and they give some good examples and analogy. the sad part, they can cover all the parts in the episode lol
Lord Varys didn't teleport!!! www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/4q19ay/main_spoilers_varyss_movement_explained_proof/ Picture proof that the three navies joined forces.
+Sannie ah ok. Well then to me that puts to rest the complaints about 'time travel' etc. Plenty of time has passed-enough for their fleets to sail to meet Dany. Also? Sannie is my nickname :D
The time line is a bit hard to follow, but, Varys brought Martell and Tyrell ships to join her fleet, though I guess they could have met up at some point closer to Westeros?
No Varys went to Dorne to get ships to bring back Danny's army, so they left from Dorne empty beside Varys and the crew needed to sail them and are now filled with Doorthraki and Unsullied.
+Kaddywompous Well it certainly happened after the events in King's Landing, since Olenna Tyrell was all in black and mourning the loss of her son and grandchildren.
No to get to westeros from Maureen you have to go by dorn and there are dornish ships in the boat seen they meet verys in dorn they are already in westeros
Everybody seems to be forgetting that Cersei was the one who aligned herself with High Sparrow for her own agenda in the first place. So I wasn't one bit happy to see her win. Feed the beast, use it against your rivals and when it turns against you, call it monster... (Wait, that sounds familiar...) That's just hypocritical... Also Cersei's children were important to her as long as she was in the vicinity of the throne. The minute Tommen cast her out, she erased him...
If this was the real world we'd all think differently about it, but there is something very enjoyable about seeing an antihero get her vengeance against people who are mostly a bunch of BS. The entire city gleefully cheered as she was marched through the street and humiliated. Was there ever any question that there would be vengeance for that? Cersei didn't really win anything. All her kids are dead, and that used to be what mattered to her. Not only was her victory hollow, so were her eyes at the end. Yes, as much as I dislike Cersei (actually, I kinda like the Cersei of the TV show), I disliked the High Sparrow , his sexism, homophobia, and his willingness to sexually humiliate women, even less. He was a thoroughly despicable person. As much so or more so than Cersei Lannister.
I can't imagine Sansa being to thrilled with Dany when she finallt lands in Westeros or wanting to ally with her. Keep in mind, Dany's father is the man who tortured and butchered her grandfather and uncle, Dany's brother is the man who (as far a anyone knows) kidnapped and raped her aunt Lyanna. The Satrks are the ones who spearheaded the war to remove the Targaryens from power, and they were completely justified. Dany has expressed in the past that she wants revenge on both the Lannisters and the Starks and I think the Starks might still be in th mood for revenge against the Targaryens. I don't think that they are the natural allies everyone else seems to think.
But that wasn't the sole cause of the rebellion, it was just a culmination of centuries of insult and abuse suffered by the lords and ladies of the realm from the Targaryens. The Starks know better than anyone the great risk that is taken on when the Targaryens are in power. It is said that when a Targaryen is born the gods flip a coin to see determine whether or not it will be crazy. The Starks suffered the most because of the reign of the Targaryens and I don't think any Stark would be eager to be under them again.
***** The whole reason that the North is so big is because of Moat Cailin. It is a choke point that no army can pass without control of, no matter how big your army is, you need Moat Cailin first, and it belongs to the Starks.
Pierre x what do you think he would have done if loras hadn't submitted. " the warrior punishes those that think they can escape justice" and i believe his faith militant killed a few 2 seasons ago in a brothel.
Yes he did. He fucking tortured people. He was the orchestrator and director of the equivalent of the god damn inquisition. It's almost impossible to do anything more wrong, except maybe feeding someone's own children to them.
awesome review, as usual! the "varys transportation" you complain about also bothered me at first, but then I realised that it's not that he went all the way down to Mereen again, but that they pick him up in Dorne as if you look at the ship's banners you can see Martell's, Greyjoy's and Targaryan's, so they're already in Westeros. Another thing I loved is when Arya kills Walder Frey, and specially the way she does it. In the episode of the red wedding, there's Bran, Jojen and Meera staying for the night in a Night's Watch fortress, and Bran tells them a story about the castle being haunted by a ghost rat that was once the lord of the castle and cooked the king's sons and fed them to him, breaking the rules of the bread and salt or something like that, so the gods punished him. Arya did just the same to Walder Frey as a punishment for breaking those same rules killing her family when he had offered them the bread and the salt. This show is just brilliant
I think you guys are skirting around and not quite getting at the nugget of the plot. GoT makes us sympathize with "villians" and "heroes" both so we rejoice at their moments of revenge. The point is to examine the nature of revenge. When it comes to Sansa. Ahem. Sansa has never been that good. She was innocent in the sense of ignorant of the ways of the world, but she started out as a shallow bitch. All she wanted was to be queen. Remember that she betrayed Arya in Season 1 when she refused to testify what happened at the murder of the butcher boy. Why didn't she tell Jon about the army of the Vale? It wasn't because she was dumb. Could they have saved Rickon with a bigger army? Maybe. Whether she really thought Rickon was a lost cause or just wanted him out of the way due to his claim to succession, I don't know. But she withheld the information for a purpose. We just don't know what that purpose is, yet. Whatever her plan is, it is obvious now Sansa is a player. She arranges for the gruesome death of the horrible Ramsey and as it is happening she starts to look away... then she changes her mind. She revels in it. I don't think she is pregnant; I think Ramsey is right - his viciousness is part of her now. That's born out by the little satisfied smile. And that is the lesson we are meant to take away. Not just that revenge is sweet, because of course it is, but that violence is a disease and it can't be cured with more violence.
Varys being on the boat with dany was not a glitch, if you look closely in that scene you can see ships with banners from dorne and tyrell, they basically picked up varys there, dorne and tyrell ships joined in and now she's technically already in westeros. they just left that part out, no need for more talking, it was pretty obvious that dorne and tyrell were gonna join dany.
Wow, Cenk made an interesting point there, by the end of the episode, they are all in black...they are all crows readying to fight back the Whites. Very cool!
I don't get why people complain whenever varys or little finger come to places really quickly. I don't want realism if it means I have watch them travel and take nearly the whole season to arrive at a certain place. it's soo boring and it slow down the story
I sat up and took notice thinking "Yeah, Aria!" when she first spoke. the line was "They are here, my lord." where I had a flash back to Tywin telling her that it's M'Lord, not My Lord.
My favourite scene was when Davos confronts Melisandre about the death of Shireen but of course they never mentioned it because it is not SJW enough for them.
I see a lot of people complain about Ana not knowing about Jon's lineage. You have to realize that for the people who have _only_ watched the show on TV, didn't read the books and don't hang around on Reddit and YT for fan theories, which is probably the majority of the viewers, this was not obvious at all. I can guarantee you that *a lot* of people who enjoy this show had the exact same question as Ana, and now they got it answered. Do you think the average GoT viewer has even heard about "Azor Ahai" for instance? Of course not, we are a tiny minority, and if we want more people to get into it, we must tolerate that someone asks some "stupid" questions now and then. Yes, if no one on the panel knew, and Ana's question remained unresolved, _that_ would be a problem. But as long as there are people there who know, like Jon, then having some basic questions answered just makes the show better. Don't be an elitist jerk. There are plenty of review channels for hardcore nerds out there, like *Alt Shift X*, just go there instead of spewing bullshit on other channels just because they also respect people who know less than you.
Love listening to you guys talk about the show! One small thing: Loras was not the best fighter in the show, since he got beaten by Brienne in that mock fight in the court of Renly Baratheon, in the second season, when Catelyn goes to ask him for his allegiance to Robb. He IS the best fighter of all - along with Ser Baristan Selmy of course - in the books. :)
Really late commenting, I know. But as to Varys teleportation - if you look at the fleet, there are Targaryen ships, Iron Born ships, and Dornish and Highgarden ships. My assumption is that Highgarden came down to join with Dorn, and they both joined with Dany as she came along. She has to pass by Dorn to reach the Iron Islands or Kings Landing. It's not actually teleportation, but a huge time gap they chose not to bore us with so they could keep the momentum going. Think how much time it would take to re-outfit the ships she'd taken with golden dragon heads and sails painted with the three headed Targaryen dragon, as well as gather and load provisions for the army she's amassed - and get the Dothraki hoarde's horses loaded and provisioned as well.
I don't understand all the hate for the High Sparrow, he may be a religious nut job but he's one of the few characters in the story who is actually for the mass populous, you'd think the progressive network would be behind that lol
Edna Toscano I was responding to +Sothpawman, but the tag didn't activate, for some reason. Your comment was perfectly valid, the kitchen remark was just idiotic.
Pascale Celine I don't think I will. People have the right to express their opinion. And there is nothing "vulgar" about it, that's a meaningless term used by prudes who haven't figured out that sexual desires are normal. She's an attractive woman, and there is nothing unnatural or wrong about saying so. It's completely normal to feel attracted to a young, beautiful woman, who also happens to be intelligent, making her even more attractive. If you don't like it, that's your problem.
I never said it's not ok to be attracted to beautiful women, or anyone, or to say that you are, just that the language you used to express this is extremely misogynistic and objectifying. I agree she's a beautiful woman, that's beside the point. You could have expressed your thoughts in a more respectful, complimentary way if that was your intention. I'm sure you knew that.
He's a hypocritical, power hungry, religious extremist that thinks he's above everyone else?? Brainwashing a little kid and basically taking control of a city via military coup.
+rdizzy1 well I have seen the power hungry (but didn't see anything negative about it), I have seen the religious extremism part (really bad guy, though even have hating Loras had a political move behind it), but again, the power lead to stopping the monarchy, the way he achieved that power was hypocritical to his religious beliefs, but I didn't see any negative or bad thing he did the last 2 seasons. Every one he went after were people of power and were really bad people.
WittyTech He was trying to push his values on everyone else. Trying to tell everybody how to live. Even if the only person your doing harm to is just yourself. Sure they were a torn in the monarchy's side. They were a cult that was going to police people's sex lives, torture those who didn't pratice there religion, use the poor as pawns in their political games
Ummmm.... he's a hypocrite extremist lunatic who holds only his enemies accountable for standards he doesn't give a fuck about! The entire group of religious assholes were getting hard ons for torture, not for justice!
Irritated at the absence of both Ben *and* Matt. I'm glad that we have a female viewpoint, though I honestly have never respected Anna's in relation to the show (please note that I am aware I am not the god of all, just stating my opinion). Most of the time all she does is say, "Yay Dany!" or flinch when some random act of brutality crosses the screen. Is she _really_ the only woman at TYT that watches this show or read the books? Meh, disappointing but haven't watched this vid, maybe she'll surprise me. EDIT: And she does, she's got some value in this even if it's not much. Still ... Needs to actually pay some attention here and there. Get the feeling she watches some really stupid shit based on her observational skills.
Kim Horcher and Gina Grad both did at least one review of the 40 GOT reviews TYT has done. I don't think Ana is there to provide a female perspective, I think she is there because she loves the show and so she has invited herself to do the reviews when she can. And because she's such a bigwig at TYT, and they are all friends, and Ben and Matt evidently weren't there, no one is going to tell her that she can't give her opinions. She is awful at this (and BTW so is Cenk), but I don't think that her gender factored into anything that happened here.
Steve G I didn't mean that Anna was there via a sort of "Affirmative Action," more that I was glad to _get_ a female perspective on the show, I just wished to gawd it wasn't Anna. HOWEVER she did do better this time around I feel than previous times, so I need to edit my OP to reflect that. I would indeed prefer to have Kim Horcher or Sam Schacher (sp?) jump on for an episode or 2 recap, even if only as a trial. Can't fully agree with Cenk being terrible at this because unlike Anna, he gets a bit of synergy counterweight when Ben's there, as Ben seems to be the one guy he respects and will accept a verbal smackdown from. Jon and even Matt just don't seem to offer that same ability to rebuff him and make him reflect on his ideas.
Gangrel Aussie Cenk is strong-willed, but he usually does listen to other opinions on his panel shows. The problem here is that he tends to fundamentally misunderstand storytelling conventions, or he believes that because it's Game of Fucking Thrones!!!!!!!, anything can happen to anyone at any time, and so he feels that Sam Tarly or Sansa or Tyrion can get killed at any time, and that literally anyone can rise to power. Gilly can rise to power in his mind because "THAT'S THE GAME OF THRONES!!" As a result, he gets surprised by the simplest things.
***** That is a truly horrifying thought, but worse still I can see it ("I hate these fucking bitches _but_ I have to keep watching!"). BTW, happy 4th of July! :D
About Varys being on the ship at the end. Varys brought back more ships. That is why he was there. In episode 8 when he left for Westeros he said to Tyrion "We need friends in Westeros and we need more ships". Also, if you look at the fleet closely there were ships with Dorne and Tyrell sigils on the sails.
I think they're going to end up marrying and their armies teaming up to fight the white walkers....u need ice (being Jon and the north) & Fire (being khalessi and her dragons) to beat the army of the dead
dude do u even keep up with this show? hes gonna need her army to defeat the White walkers... also u rly think his 4000 men would stop 100000 dothrakis and 3 dragons? comon dude wtf theyre obviously gonna team up cuz Tyrion knows Jon and was married to Sansa
This episode was sheer spectacle. Very little of the story made any sense. Most namely, the event at the Twins with Arya. So many plot holes and nonsensical things about this 10th episode. The more this show goes on, the more it loses the depth of character and story. Things just happen out of nowhere or things happen with half-assed explanations.
A lot of people had predicted many of the things that happened in this episode. So it didn't really come out of nowhere. If you don't believe it go read the prediction thread on reddit.
Eien Blu I don't think he necessarily meant that things in this episode happened out of nowhere. He is talking about the general quality of the show. And besides, the fact that people predicted something doesn't mean it didn't come out of nowhere. There are a lot of crazy theories out there that have absolutely no foundation or foreshadowing. If some of them end up being true, that doesn't necessarily mean they make sense. Many people predicted Arya would kill Walder, and yet it definitely came out of nowhere and made no sense in terms of how Arya snuck into the castle, killed two of Walder's grown sons, chopped them up, baked them into a pie without anyone in the kitchens objecting, and then murdered Walder in his conveniently empty hall (no guards, no servants, no family members), and somehow escaped without being seen, caught, or pursued. They made it seem so ridiculously easy, they might as well have Arya pop up in Cersei's bed chambers in the season 7 premiere and kill her by posing as a handmaiden or something.
If Lady Mormount had 3 dragons the show would be over already
She is super bad-ass. Hope she is a major character next season.
give her 3 bears, id put my money on lady mormont vs daenarys
People like her, so yeah she will be.
if we'd only started with her she'd have sorted this shit aged 4 and made the white walkers melt just enough to see them cry first.
she's Queen of your Bullshit. fucking hail.
That little girl is already a Mama Bear!! Grisly Bear at that!!
What gave away Arya was when she called him 'My Lord' instead of 'M'lord', a call back to her discussion with Tywin.
Arya's never been that brutal? Two words: Meryn Trant.
I don't remember her feeding Meryn Trant his children in a pie...
Or the guy she stabbed in the neck over and over right after the red wedding because he was talking shit on her mom dying.
She still hasn't killed someone that hasn't wronged her. If she kills someone totally innocent then I'll agree she's totally gone.
She gouged out both his eyes then stabbed him repeatedly... then she taunted him... then she slit his throat. Given that Walder Frey killed her mother and brother, I'd say he got off easy...
+cheynedogg I'll agree with that. She's on a path to vengeance. But she's still pretty damn brutal about it.
Miguel Sapochnik is not only one of Britain's best directors, but he creatively directs 'Game of Thrones' episodes better than anyone else, easily raising its quality bar.
Cersei is not smart. Yes, dropping a nuclear bomb on your enemies will kill them. No shit. But she already didn't have the North, or the Vale, or Dorne, or the Iron Islands. Now, she has lost the Reach, and with it, the support of the largest army in Westeros, the Tyrell army. The way she gained her power has also completely annihilated any chance she had of keeping it. Besides, it doesn't take a genius to think of blowing up your enemies. It's literally the least sophisticated, most impulsive move you can make, and it has put her in a terrible political position. She is literally Queen of like a quarter of Westeros, if even that.
The end is near for the lannisters, except tyrion
She's smart. Not insanely smart, but smart nonetheless. I'm guessing you think Tyrion's smart? Well, he did say he believes Cersei possesses above average intelligence.
She does stupid things though because her emotions cloud her judgement.
Jan Mil
She's insane. Yes, she may possess above average intelligence, but the bottom line is she barely uses it. She is irrational. And when you get her inner thoughts in the books, you can clearly see that she is mad, and has always done mad things, even when they were criminally dumb from a political point of view. Margaery was far smarter. It just so happens that unlike what Cenk seems to think, being smart can't save you from a nuke, and nuking your enemies doesn't require intelligence. Cenk always goes on about how he would bet on Littlefinger beating the White Walkers, which is another example of Cenk's belief that if you're smart you'll always win, and if you won you must have been smarter than your opponent. But that's not true. Brute force can win as well, and that's basically all Cersei uses. And that's what the WW use, and all the scheming in the world can't save you from that, because it's not a matter of intelligence.
Mark Hogan Cersei not using her smarts is different from "Cersei is not smart" which was your opener.
Jan Mil
I know that. When I said "Cersei is not smart", I was speaking rather loosely, as a reply to Cenk's incessant claims that people don't give her enough credit for how smart she is. I was considering her actions to determine how intelligent she is, and based on her actions, one would have to say she is fairly unintelligent. You brought up the point about what Tyrion said, which led me to add nuance to my original statement : Cersei may indeed possess above average intelligence (which is a pretty low bar though, compared to Tywin, Tyrion, Littlefinger, Varys, Roose Bolton, the High Sparrow, Margaery, Olenna and others), but it doesn't really matter, because the bottom line is that she acts like an irrational, bloodthirsty fool, and is far less smart than most political players we've come to know. The fact that she killed them doesn't change that.
Gotta disagree with Cenk saying that this showed that Cersei is smart. Yes, she won the battle. She's queen. Now what? She only planned one move ahead. She destroyed her immediate enemy but also lost her only allies, the Tyrells, her son, and her uncle. Jaime spent the entire season saying how all he cared about was her and now he's looking at her like she's Walder Frey. Who is standing up on the dais with her when she's crowned? Qyburn. That is the extent of people (not counting the undead) on her side at this point. That is Cersei's essential problem. It's not that she's stupid it's that she thinks she's smart and powerful enough to do it all by herself. Nobody can do it all by themselves and we saw both the Starks and Dany acknowledging that this episode. It doesn't really matter at this point what she did though because Dany was already going to roll over King's Landing anyway. Olenna and Margaery would have turned on her at the first sight of the dragons and the fleet because they aren't stupid.
Im not even sure Qyburn is really on her side. Gets rid of some people with power. Could be for anyone.
Put it this way, in the fight between who is dumber Sansa or Cersei, Sansa wins. Cersei managed to literally destroy all her enemies and become queen without anyones help. Meanwhile, Sansa had a good season going for her, and now screwed up by messing with Littlefinger and basically blowing him off, and you know that he will want revenge.
Cersei is BEYOND not giving a FUCK! She had NOTHING to really ground her even before she blew those people to smithereens. I LOVE IT! I can't wait to see her go MAD QUEEN on Dany's little dragon lovin' ass.
yep.. she's not smart
I really missed Ben to point that out to those dumbasses.
Cersei is not smart! and certainly not smarter than Margaery.
Cersei lost everyone's including her son's support even before her trial.
Her only advantage was that she had a nuke. She was defeated and left with only one last desperate move which was shortsighted and equally destructive to herself.
She lost last of her children, declared war against Tyrells and Martells and possibly turned even Jamie against her. She lost her humanity and became mad queen in comparison to Daenerys who did the opposite thing.
Loved everything but sad to see Margaery go 😔
Me too, hottest character on the show gone in such a horrible death.
Jesus delgado
Well now she's definitely the hottest lol
At least it was quick. But yeah, so hot.
she's heading south as the bortherhood without banners is heading north, so maybe its not the end of her
That look between Sansa and Littlefinger, during the 'King in the North' chanting, was interesting, wasn't it?
Nope, watch Cercei's coronation again.. Qyburn was wearing the Hand of the King pin.
Hand of the Queen... but yeah, I definitely noticed that too.
He's been completely loyal and grateful to her, not to mention being the entire reason she was able to become Queen. He deserves it.
I noticed that too.. but the Queen being crowned by the Hand of the Queen? ..Seems a bit backwards! :/
+BalazarsBrain I don't think she gives a fuck about rules anymore. There's literally NO ONE in the south to oppose her, and even if there was, I'm pretty sure everyone is terrified of her right now.. They probably all know it was her who blew up the sept, and they probably believe she also pushed Tommen out the window to put herself on the throne.
"There's literally NO ONE in the south to oppose her" There are other possible claimants.. any of Robert Baratheon's bastards, someone from Robert's other ancestral houses.. Estermont, Blackwood, etc. and we know the Targaryens are on the way. Sure Cersei can claim the thrown but there's a lot going against her.. the Lannisters are on the decline, she's female, and she's older with no heir (as Lady Olenna pointed out).
Yes the people fear her, but also probably hate her as well.. as she just blew up everyone's favorite church. The Tyrells obviously won't support Cersei's claim, and they have a powerful army right around the corner. The Tyrells also control the grain supply, and I'm sure the common folk won't be happy with Cersei if they're starving to death. I don't think she will have much support at all.
The movement of pieces on the board may actually be an issue for some, but not for me. I can perceive multiple timelines occurring at different times rather than just a linear synchronized plot. Like a William Gibson novel, all the roads are on different curves, but they all intersect at the climax of the story for pronounced effect. The fact that they don't show me someone traveling a month and instead show me the result of the chess move, is a key to what makes this show personally so well done and so satisfying.
That's how GRRM's books read.
yea i agree. i dont see why it has to a problem for some.
Show watchers dont know this but distances some characters travel in an episode is many months. I dont Think the writers on the show care about things make logical sense now. They just want to wrap things up in a forced fan-service manner.
I just realized something, Cersei is responsible for Margery's death, who was the granddaughter (correct me if I'm wrong) of Olenna Tyrell. So that means that Cersei just got revenge for Joffrey's death, without even knowing it!
Varys was on the ship because Dany's fleet was accompanied by the fleets of the Tyrell's and the Martells. They have all already combined forces
I don't know how they didn't pick that _up,_ there were Dornish ships in the fleet.
+Memorandom yes look at the beginning you see the martell sigil on one boat
not everyone knows what dornish ships look like
People have a problem with how fast they seem to travel but forget that the things that happen in the show aren't all happening at the same time. It's inferred that time has passed already, they don't have to drag it out to show that.
That makes a lot of sense. I thought I saw some Dornish sails and was a bit confused. Timing still seemed quite awkward though.
Cersei isn't smart like Tywin or Tyrion. What she did worked yeah, but it's something Joffrey would've done, not Tywin. She's fucked up every major alliance and is now hated by everyone in the city. And she failed her goal of protecting her son anyway, She's got a low cunning, but you can bet she won't be anything close to an effective ruler in a war.
Absolutely, I don't understand how Cenk honestly thinks it takes much of any brain power to just blow up your enemies. It's literally the crudest, most basic way to solve your problems. She's all emotion without any forethought to guide it.
Cenk is just a wrong individual. He is pretty F'd up. He has always been whacky and dopey. To me he is the comic relief on this show. Not to be taken seriously.
I don't think most people in the city know Cersei was behind the explosion. The Onion Queen figured it out after hearing of the aftermath. The peasants that taunted her during her walk of shame just know the sept is now gone. The people that would have accused Cersei all died in the flames.
I disagree. 1. This was likely the wildfire still left over from the Mad King's attempt to blow up the city. Jamie speaks about it being there, but when he recounts the story to Brienne, it is totally unknown to her, which means that it is probably unknown to everyone other than him and a few other people. And he says that he never shares the story because no one would believe that the Kingslayer did something noble. And since during the rebellion things got crazy, and Robert was never really interested in the details of ruling, the wildfire was probably never removed, and now everyone associated with the rebellion (other than Jamie) has been dead for a while. So she didn't use up the rest of the cache of wildfire, she used what was there.
2. She killed all of her enemies with it at once. A siege by enemy ships (and remember, she doesn't know about Khaleesi's oncoming invasion) wouldn't have given her less power than she already had (since she had none), and instead she gained all of her power back.
3. Anyone in King's Landing who knows or would have suspected that Cersei was responsible for the blast is dead (other than those loyal to her). So she didn't destroy any new alliances, and the Queen of Thorns had already shown that she had no interest in working with Cersei.
Didnt they note at one point that they can produce more ?
Tons of credit to the director, Miguel Sapochnik, who has directed four episodes of Game of Thrones. S05E07 "The Gift," S05E09 "Hardhome," S06E09 "Battle of the Bastards" and S06E10 "The Winds of Winter." 3 of which are some of the most memorable of the entire series thus far.
45:50 Maester Qyburn is the new hand of the Queen. Last scene when Qyburn is crowing Cersi you can see the Hand of King/Queen is pinned on him. Missed Ben Mank. sitting on the left this episode. Orson Welles Rules BTW! King In The North! White Wolf!
Your right. Just want to share information. I love "What the flick" G.O.T. reviews when Ben is on. I like Cenk and John to because they are honest about their opinion if you like it or not. Cenk Got torn to pieces on comments section for Hold the Door
Meh, Ben's annoying.
You have your opinion. I love Ben he really is the most esteemed person on the panel.He knows film and TV better than the rest of the panel. For him not be there for season finale seems really off to me. Ben you have some answers to give now! Django you must have loved this review then. Peace!
I noticed it. By the way Qyburn is not a Maester.
Ben is the worst.
Brett you and John are so expressive and I adore it! I love how Brett's hands are so dead on ... I love how you love the McBeth and other great literary works. Thank you Cenk - your passion and how well you have caught up and get the excellence of this game the Game of Thrones!!! Thanks for all your work and the gifts of being so committed to observation of and detail!!!!
"Am I missing something? So Jon Snow ISNT Ned Stark's son?"
Me: Well, time to watch something else.
Seriously, what show has she been watching?
+cheynedogg dude I don't know, really it's my fault for continuing to give these guys a chance at shooting an actually intelligent and substantive review....Alt Shift X, Smokescreen and BecauseGeek all the way.
I don't think Anna has been paying much attention. Which means she should not be on a "expert" panel discussion about the show. But then again, none of them are much experts, except John and occasionally Cenk has some insightful take.
+rmzidann indeed, none of them except for a bright spot here and there.
+800mEric see I used to like GoT academy but I'm an infrequent viewer now cus they always have absurd predictions that kind of turn me off, but I love the historical connections.
Tommen took King's Landing too literally.
+shankarpad913 LOOOOOOOL
So original
hahaha ! well done
Motherfucking hilarious!!!!!!!!!
Haha!
My new favourite now that Margarey is gone - Lady Mormont. What a little badass. A girl worthy to be taken under the wing of Oleanna Tyrell
Especially after she got all the northern folks wind up in a lie about Nedd's blood in Jon. She is crafty 😀
The ONLY person we know of that knows the truth is Bran. No one else. As far as everyone at Winterfell is concerned, including Jon, he is the bastard son of Ned Stark. There is no lying here.
+sapphiro he does have Stark blood in him
Howland Reed, Meera's father, knows. He survived the Tower of Joy fight with Ned.
I think if you polled 1000 watchers of the show, 1000 of them would say that they love Lady Mormont. She is an impossible character and actress to dislike.
John's gotta be loving everyone nerding out at the end and saying "To the king of the north!"
If you watch the ending again, amongst the Targaryen ships you can see ships with the Martell and Tyrell sigil, which means that Vaerys didn't teleport, but they're showing things in different times, when Vaerys went to talk to the Martells and Tyrells Cercei had already blown up the sept, and when they allied with Targaryens they sent their fleet over, Vaerys went back with them, it's a small detail that explains a whole lot :)
Only on Game of Thrones do you have a scene where a Frankenstein monster rapes a nun to death and its supposed to be triumphant for a main character
Looks like he just stood over her scaring the shit out of her. I didn't see him do anything.
The nun is his plaything now
you serious? the implication was clearly that she's about to get Elia Martell'd.
Except it won't be to death. There is no way Cersei is gonna let her off that easy. She will not be satisfied until that nun is begging for death and then she will torture her some more. Before finally killing her.
"Your Gods have abandoned you. This is your God now."
-Cersei.
That line was so well delivered, i got shivers. I could've sworn Lena Headey was enjoying it as much as Cersei was supposed to be. Truly top notch acting from Lena. Go watch it again.
That soundtrack was fucking awesome.. I was wondering why Cersei's was dressed in black and i quickly found out.
I hated the piano
that's because you have no culture.
Please tell what's make you more cultured then me?
Can you tell us why you hated the piano? I'm not being aggressive, I legitimately want to know why you disliked it.
As soon as it started I knew what was going to happen. It revealed too much
As a British person I have to say that Brett's northern British accent is flawless
I just want to point out how great Brett has become. His analysis is always on point, his allusions to Macbeth are great and the impressions are so funny! :)
Why do you think Cercei is that smart?? really? she united the Tyrells with then snakes and Daenarys. she united the biggest army in westeros with Daenarys. That was not smart, she planned it corrently, and I beg to think it was all Qyburn, but she did not think about the consequences. The aftermath will result in her Death by Jaimie. Cercei is really stupid not considering the aftermath of all this.
She shows a certain level of aptitude, certainly more than Sansa. But I don't think anyone's saying she's *that* smart, especially not one who allies with religious fanatics to take out her in laws who were posing no direct threat to her. She lacks the foresight of being able to comprehend the big picture, which explains why she's never even considered the threat of Danaerys.
Cersei is the luckiest mary sue. Just when you think shes gonna get it, she's saved by the deus ex machina little birds who just happened to find the wildfire. And now by that incredible luck and her son jumping down the tower Reynholm Denholm style lol she's the fucking queen.
mavdj Is it that much a stretch to believe the mad king had untapped stashes of wildfire that shouldn't be that hard to find given how he never even had a chance to use any of it? I don't consider it a great leap. I find Sansa being alive to be the far greater _deux ex machina_. Cersei at least has always been able to scheme and defend herself by whatever means necessary. Contrast that with Sansa who is just now learning how and yet still pulls mystery moves like not telling Jon she was awaiting word on Littlefinger committing the Knights of the Vale which could have gotten them all killed.
Yea, but she didn't scheme anything. The little birds just happened to conveniently find it at that time. I can see why though. Dany needs someone interesting to fight and have a good spectacular battle. Tommen would not have been it lol!
mavdj What do you mean she didn't scheme anything? The little birds had discovered the wildfire which she heard about in passing long before she decided she had a use for it. Spearheading the destruction of the Great Sept and all who were in it was an act of terrorism that was _schemed by her_. It didn't happen spontaneously.
Tommen gave a new side to the name "Kings Landing"....
I heard it for first time now, good one!
Am I the only one that thought Tommen's death was hilarious? Reminded me so much of Monty Python.
That's why it's called King's Landing
+Bendz0 brutal
Tommen took the two pillar idea to literally. He literally fell when the Sept crumbled.
@DrZaious good catch.
DrowFighterMage i see what you did there
Come on Ana, Arya was not "innocent" up until this episode. Remember Meryn Trant?
There was a slight difference, although mostly I agree with you. Her decision to take out Trant was spur of the moment. She actually plotted her vengeance against Frey.
Karen Holmes
Killing Meryn was certainly more spur of the moment, but there were some aspects of it that were planned out. She didn't decide to kill him and then kill him within the span of a few minutes, she thought out how she would do it. And she also purposely made him suffer, it wasn't just killing for the sake of having him dead. And even back in season 3, she drove needle through that one guy's throat very slowly in the bar while taunting him when the Hound started fighting everyone. She definitely has experience with calculating the suffering of others.
Or how about carving the Waif's face off her head? Also half of the Stark children are dead.
you guys are completely forgetting the guys she killed before she even went to Bravos when she was still with the hound
Jeff P
Exactly. Bottom line is, Ana is an idiot.
17:01 My favorite line was when she said "I killed your High Sparrow, and all his little sparrows. All his septons, all his septas, all his filthy soldiers....because it felt good to watch them burn. It felt good to imagine their shock and their pain. No thought has ever given me greater joy." It's the climax of her speech, and you see truly how diabolical she is. Also Lena's acting is superb.
What The Flick squad... love your reviews as always! A great majority of what you all discuss is on point. Just a few things I want to point out for ya: 1) I think Howland Reed knows about Jon's true parentage because he was at the Tower of Joy with Ned. He's still alive both in the books and we haven't seen him on the show (yet) 2) Varys was on the boat because the Martell and Tyrell ships were already sailing alongside Daenerys (you can pick a few ships with their sigils if you look really closely) 3) Daenerys 'loves' Dario but isn't 'in love' with him lol. She says to Tyrion that it scares her that she felt nothing to say goodbye to someone she thought she cared about but really, she just wanted to get it over with. 4) If you put on really high quality ear buds, it's subtle, but you can actually pick up a little of what Lyanna whispers. She says, "his name is Jon and he's... [voice trails off]". So at least we know his name actually is Jon and not some weird Targaryen name like Aegon or Visceriogal or Dalanoharys lol. 5) Time in the episodes, especially now that we are getting closer to the conclusion of the whole thing, isn't to be taken literally. I don't know if that's the case for you all, but I see lots of people getting frustrated at how people travel so fast. It's not that they are traveling at instaneous speeds. It just happens to be what we see as viewers. We could pick up a storyline at a moment after they had spent days or weeks in motion and then they'll appear at their destination or we see another character(s) storyline and it seems like little time passed.
that creepy organ music that played before Lancel blew up was so freaking epic
Tommen suicide looked like Denholm Reynholm suicide from I.T. Crowd.
Or Eddie's from "BoardWalk Empire."
hahahaha yes!
I'm glad I am not the only one who was thinking of that when he did I just snickered when he did it.
I was reminded of "Brom Stoker's Dracula", when Elisabeta threw herself from the window. Only GoT did it much better!
all i could think of when he went out the window was kings landing.
Sapochnik needs to direct every future episode of GoT. Dude's the real deal.
WHAT DA FFFFFLIIIIICCCCCCKK
don't watch these fools
you can tell who knows the story and who doesn't...redteam does, these guys thumbs down.
freddy333ful i never even saw the video lol i just think their name is funny to say. how do they not know the story? what did they say?
TerryFGM thats me :D aand you must be the SJW of the day
TerryFGM SJW WARRIORS ASSEMBLE!!! FORM OF.....angry youtube comment!
Omg, I love John so much for bringing up the Sam-library scene! In an episode filled with huge things, that did get over-shadowed. But it was a wonderful moment and I just kept thinking, yeah we have the internet, nobody is going to react that way to a library these days, but that used to be "the internet". The difference is, you couldn't access any information you wanted, but at least you could trust it's accuracy.
Where are Ben and Matt!?!?!? Are we going to get their review some other time?
Seconded. I demand they do a separate review. This episode was FAR too good for them to be absent
***** I would watch it for sure.
I don't know where Matt is but Ben did say last week he would be away for the season finale.
Fuck Matt he is annoying af
Yeah, Ben and Matt were great together in 'Dogma'.
My first thought when Tommen jumped out of the window: That was a perfect King's Landing :)))
you deserve a lot more than 6 likes in 3 years for this comment!!! 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣💀
Cenk Zappa well the jokes been beat to shit
High Sparrow - It's better to burn out than to fade away
Lancel - This blows
Margaery - Shit
Lorlas - Renley!?! What are you doing here? Oh, wait...
Mace - I could go for some barbecue right about now - oh, wait...
Kevan - I don't even get a bloody line
Pycelle - I would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those pesky kids and their knives
Tommen - Time to make my mark on King's Landing
Walder Frey - My sons make me sick to my stomach
Cersei - More wine!
"Is he Robert Baratheon's son?"
No. nope nope nope. The symbolism couldn't have been clearer....
Jon Snow and Dany are going to marry, CALLING IT!
Eww, isn't she his aunt?
+Datafiend Cersei have hers, let Danny have some too
Yes, she would be. However, Targaryens have frequently practiced incest in the past. For example, Aerys (Dany's father) married his sister, Rhaella. Aegon the Conqueror, the first King of the Seven Kingdoms, married both of his sisters.
+Datafiend well Targeryans marry their sisters
Probably - she's conveniently loverless. There's also a possibility of Daenerys+Tyrion and Jon+Sansa though.
Margaery is under the dumpster... oh wait wrong show.
2 months later and that joke is still unoriginal and unfunny. let it die man.
Can you please tell what show that references? I don't watch a lot of tv and would like to know
I still think it's pretty funny
I thought she was in a fridge!
+Mohamed518 the walking dead xD
I loved that music during the beginning. Does anyone know the name of that piece, or the track name on some GoT soundtrack? I''d love to hear it not in context with the show.
That particular piece is called "Light of the Seven". It's on the Season 6 soundtrack.
Haha "light of the Seven" that's funny. Cersei should have said that when the sept exploded "haha! Light of the Seven bitch!"
exiledfrommyself Thank you, that is much appreciated.
I am a staunch conservative (fiscal not social) and I have to say that one of the things I like about TYT is that once in a while they talk about things everyone enjoys! Game of Thrones (both the Song of Ice and Fire books and tv series) is the best. Love Cenk's passion for the show, hope he gets around to reading the books!
It's so great that you guys picked up on how Cersei's outfit is now like a man's outfit, because in one of the interviews I think Lena said she interpreted Cersei's feelings towards Jaime as her wanting to be him, to be a boy/a man that her father would love and value. That has probably been her secret drive ever since she was young.
lol, the kid pushed out of window is the first thing I thought of. lol
Am I the only one that noticed that Qyburn is the hand of the king?
I scrolled down to see if anyone else posted this comment, yes he is the hand.
Qyburn will serve as hand of king or Maesters. i think killing of Pycell personally by Qyburn was bcoz of political rivalry.
was Pycell just a Maestor or was he hand of the king for Tommen aswell?
Jefferson Iyamu
Pycell was grand Maestor, he never been hand of the king.
Qyburn is more like Maester but he may aspire to become hand of queen.
qyburn what is that man up to?
If you look closely, you can see that loras was able to hide under a dumpster and survive the blast
It's a joke about The Walking Dead
When The Mountain put his hand on Tommen I wanted him to say "Do you feel in charge?"
Lyanna Stark was not kidnapped by Rhaegar Targaryen. They were in love and secretly married in a time when it was permitted for Targaryens to have more than one wife. Robert Baratheon wrongfully assumed she had been kidnapped because Lyanna was promised to him. Lyanna and Rheagar fell in love on or before the tournament where he crowned her the queen of love and beauty by giving her the crown of blue roses instead of to his wife. If L and R had not been married, no way would the Kings Guard be left to guard the Tower of Joy. They were guarding a legal heir to the throne… Jon (not Snow) Targaryen.
"Queen you shall be... untill there comes another, younger and more beautiful, to cast you down and take all that you hold dear." --- Maggy the Frog
Also: J = V
he has one flesh hand.....and one golden hand which cersei herself had made. spent "the better part of an afternoon" on it and everything...
i wonder if that hand just about fits round her neck....
and wouldn't it be rather poetic? jaime lannister known through the land as the kingslayer, because he already dispatched of one mad king who had plans of blowing up the city with wildfire from below......now becoming the queenslayer of the new mad queen?
Considering Margeary died it must be Dany.
I don't think so because for a brief moment, Margery was Queen so the prophecy was true. The reason why her last son died was because of Margeary, or from the loss of her.
My bet is on Dany as the "more beautiful queen" in Cersi's prophecy. Margaery was very pretty, but Dany was the queen whose beauty sent men to seek her from all over the known world. What Cersi holds most dear is power and family, and when Dany returns to Westeros with her massive army, she'll definitely be able to seize power from Cersi who rules only by fear. Add in the rest of the prophecy (being killed by her younger brother), and one sees that most likely Jaime will be her murderer (especially if she threatens any more acts of mass killing) and will most likely kill himself in grief after her death. Everyone in her family she has ever loved will be dead then.
Margaery was queen, but Cersei started ruling afterwards... So Margaery never was the one to take everything from her.
Ana.. "Is jon snow ned starks son or robert baratheons son" ..... Wtf?!
She doesn't read the books give her a break. Rhaegar wasn't in the show.
Not everyone is as invested as us... She's a pretty girl, they don't need to escape to a fantasy world as much... Generally speaking.
+NAK5 ENO shut the fuck up
thelousyllama She's been watching this show for 6 SEASONS! And completely missed the biggest thing about the show.
Those who only watch the show and don't read the books or look into the theories and stuff have no idea about the significance of this scene. Rhaegar has only been mentioned in passing and so long ago and it hasn't even been explicitly defined that he was to be the mad king's true heir.
Why is Ana even sitting there when she doesn't know the most basic topic from Season 1?
Cause shes here to promote feminism.
I never realized it when I watched this video for the first time, but several times Ana just repeats what somebody else just said, it's very hilarious.
I've had my issues with Brett doing these reviews over the last couple of years but I have to say, that this season, and in particular, this episode, he really nailed it. The Shakespearean references have always been there in this show but this episode was pretty much a Shakespeare homage.
R + L = J -The only true King of the North..
Rhaegar plus Lyanna equals Jon..... after so many years, it's finally legit. Theory no more.
Cercei is very much intentionally dressed just like Tywin. She is ruthless and willing to use her own family to get what she wants, just like Tywin. I just love how they use costuming and such to signify how things have changed. Jon is wearing the same style armor that Ned wore. Margery and the people in King's Landing are all wearing high necked modest dresses due to the faith takeover. Gilly and Little Sam are dressed better. Olenna is dressed in black because she's morning. The Sand Snakes are dressed in a more sophisticated manner. Oh and The High Sparrow finally washed his damn robe... but I don't have a significance for this I was just happy I didn't have to look at it anymore lol.
So the first time I watched the episode I missed something pretty significant, and I think you guys did too. Arya's creepy joyful smile is a Cercei Lannister smile. The scenes mirrored each other. Getting revenge, enjoying it... "the last think you see will be my face"
Tyrion tears up because someone is finally seeing him as something other than a dwarf. His family had always treated him as something "less" for lack of better term. She recognizes how valuable he is to her. The look was gratefulness like he was with Oberyn Martell when he recognized the fact that he's just a baby or a human life like any other.
Good points. I thought, at first, that she looked to be dressed like Joffrey, but thinking on it again, she's definitely dressed like Tywin. This episode was a nice little revenge episode, I enjoyed it...shamelessly and shamefully! Cersei may have been dressed like her father, but she still hasn't taken her father's words to heart when he told her she's not as smart as she thinks she is. She only thinks of the here and now, immediate gratification. And although it felt good to do what she did for her, she will suffer the humongous consequences of that action. That will have a large snowball effect and she's not the wiser for it. She doesn't think long-term, only of what she can do at that moment to make a short point. And Tyrion wasn't always recognized as more in his family (his father did understand that Tyrion was more than capable to be Joffrey's Hand while he was away, and appointed him as such) but the only ally he had in his family was Jamie. Jamie always treated Tyrion like his brother and loved him as such. I know we get Jamie's reaction and disdain for what Cersei has done and has become, but I'm waiting to see what Tyrion thinks of what has happened to his niece and nephew while he's been away, as he adored them both and they loved him. These last two seasons coming up should be amazing!
Your points re Cersei's costume is well taken.But for me,intentionally or not ,Cersei looks like "Joan of Arc" now.About her actions-she had no other choice.What person with the power/options she had would face further humiliation and opt out of revenge?
docsmithdc "What person with the power/options she had would face further humiliation and opt out of revenge?" My answer is, Jamie. He sacrificed his own honor and reputation which meant a lot to him to save people from the Mad King's wildfire. Now his sister/lover just did exactly what he'd prevented from happening before. She did so for selfish reasons and Even if she didn't want Tommen to die she knew Tommen loved Margery and Cercei recklessly disregarded that and was busy torturing a Septa while her son flung himself out of the Red Keep tower. When Jamie killed the Mad King, he chose love and Cercei chose revenge, power and hate.
There is always another choice. She could have taken personal responsibility for her actions. They weren't going to kill her. Her life wasn't in danger, only her pride and her perceived power were at stake. Those things apparently meant more to her than her own son's happiness and his very life.
OK.Thanks for your response.
I liked much of your comment, but I have to disagree with your prospective on Cersi's choice. Had Margaery not influenced Tommen to abolish trial by combat (as almost certainly is the case. It's highly doubtful that simple minded Tommen really researched the history behind it and actively wanted to condemn his mother to a certain guilt verdict), Cersi could have won and remained Queen Mother, properly chastized and living in the shadow of the royal couple. Margaery wasn't happy with that, though: she wanted revenge for Cersi turning the Faith on her and her brother and sought to eliminate Cersi from any possible influence over Tommen. Cersi choices were then to either face a public trial in which a guilt sentence was all but certain (which would have entailed exile, death, or perhaps most horribly, being forced to become a septa and serve the High Sparrow's whims for the rest of her days) or eliminating her enemies. She chose the latter. And when Tommen sided against her in favor of Margaery and the High Sparrow, Cersi may have resigned herself to the prophecy that all of her children were doomed to die before her and accepted his fate. Either way, as horrific as it was, Cersi's actions were quite reasonable given her situation.
OH MY GOD, Ana has no place on this panel...that question about Jon Snow...seriously!? Asking if Jon is the son of Ned or Robar, were you NOT paying attention at all? Horrible, and cringeworthy.
Ana doesn't watch the show, she said that all of the Stark kids are still alive while 2 are dead. Thinks Arya killing Walder was the first gruesome thing she did . Meryn Trant ring a bell? Or how about the Waif's face being cut out of her head? Also Jon Snow question is pretty bad.
Yes, all the things Arya has done far outweigh a simple cut throat. She should not be on the panel ever again, it's an insult to dedicated viewers of GOT and TYT.
Cenk immediately corrected her and she realized her error. Heaven help anyone who makes slightest factual error on the internet. :eyeroll:
Yeah I came in late to GoT late and binged season 1&2 before season 3 dropped. Now I started watching after being heavily urged to do so by friends and peers. Unfortunately, I had to explain to MANY of those same people whom got me to watch in the first place who Jon's mother and father were after this episode. It was so disappointing because I wanted to freak out with them lol. Oh well...
I agree and why is she showing so much skin
Huh, the way I perceived Sansa's reaction to Jon's support was that she was happy for him and supported him also; she has never expressed any desire to be Queen or hold great power. But she looks at Baelish and remembers what he'd told her and maybe a little part of her is starting to want that power.
John, Cenk, Brett, and Ana are my favorite panel combo and I have watched all What the flick GOT reviews, they give a much better discussion and they give some good examples and analogy. the sad part, they can cover all the parts in the episode lol
John is not Loras, he is Sam... obviously!
&one A couple years late and now mostly irrelevant, but I second this.
BEN MATT COME BACK WE MISS YOU.
40:30 ... Weren't there Dornish ships in that shot of the Navy?
Lord Varys didn't teleport!!!
www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/4q19ay/main_spoilers_varyss_movement_explained_proof/
Picture proof that the three navies joined forces.
whattheflick does the absolute BEST game of thrones reviews...i wish their other reviews of tv shows were even close to being as in depth or detailed.
I was so happy to see a girl in the video and then she started questioning who Jon Snow's real father was and ...I just...nope
I think, in the closing scene, there are boats with both Dornish sails and Tyrell/Highgarden sails as well, no?
Yeah there were
+Sannie ah ok. Well then to me that puts to rest the complaints about 'time travel' etc. Plenty of time has passed-enough for their fleets to sail to meet Dany. Also? Sannie is my nickname :D
+77cns its also my nickname, its means 'things' or drugs in Dutch street language. I get called this because my name's Sander.
+77cns but the time thing I think they pass time and it isn't linear but don't know
OMG I have a friend in Holland named... Sander.... -_-
The time line is a bit hard to follow, but, Varys brought Martell and Tyrell ships to join her fleet, though I guess they could have met up at some point closer to Westeros?
No Varys went to Dorne to get ships to bring back Danny's army, so they left from Dorne empty beside Varys and the crew needed to sail them and are now filled with Doorthraki and Unsullied.
Remember, Both Varys and Lady Tyrell left for Dorne 2 episodes ago. That meeting, though shown in ep. 10, actually occurred weeks before.
+Kaddywompous Well it certainly happened after the events in King's Landing, since Olenna Tyrell was all in black and mourning the loss of her son and grandchildren.
Runcibus Arse-Weasel good point.
No to get to westeros from Maureen you have to go by dorn and there are dornish ships in the boat seen they meet verys in dorn they are already in westeros
Everybody seems to be forgetting that Cersei was the one who aligned herself with High Sparrow for her own agenda in the first place. So I wasn't one bit happy to see her win. Feed the beast, use it against your rivals and when it turns against you, call it monster... (Wait, that sounds familiar...) That's just hypocritical... Also Cersei's children were important to her as long as she was in the vicinity of the throne. The minute Tommen cast her out, she erased him...
If this was the real world we'd all think differently about it, but there is something very enjoyable about seeing an antihero get her vengeance against people who are mostly a bunch of BS. The entire city gleefully cheered as she was marched through the street and humiliated. Was there ever any question that there would be vengeance for that? Cersei didn't really win anything. All her kids are dead, and that used to be what mattered to her. Not only was her victory hollow, so were her eyes at the end. Yes, as much as I dislike Cersei (actually, I kinda like the Cersei of the TV show), I disliked the High Sparrow , his sexism, homophobia, and his willingness to sexually humiliate women, even less. He was a thoroughly despicable person. As much so or more so than Cersei Lannister.
Cersi's "Hand" is her Maester - Qyburn, at the end of the show as he's putting the crown on Cersi, he's wearing the Hand of the King pin.
I can't imagine Sansa being to thrilled with Dany when she finallt lands in Westeros or wanting to ally with her. Keep in mind, Dany's father is the man who tortured and butchered her grandfather and uncle, Dany's brother is the man who (as far a anyone knows) kidnapped and raped her aunt Lyanna. The Satrks are the ones who spearheaded the war to remove the Targaryens from power, and they were completely justified. Dany has expressed in the past that she wants revenge on both the Lannisters and the Starks and I think the Starks might still be in th mood for revenge against the Targaryens. I don't think that they are the natural allies everyone else seems to think.
I don't think Sansa would hold her relatives crimes against Dany though, especially if Dany wanted to kill Cersei
Arya is gonna kill cersei
But that wasn't the sole cause of the rebellion, it was just a culmination of centuries of insult and abuse suffered by the lords and ladies of the realm from the Targaryens. The Starks know better than anyone the great risk that is taken on when the Targaryens are in power. It is said that when a Targaryen is born the gods flip a coin to see determine whether or not it will be crazy. The Starks suffered the most because of the reign of the Targaryens and I don't think any Stark would be eager to be under them again.
Branden Merritt
***** The whole reason that the North is so big is because of Moat Cailin. It is a choke point that no army can pass without control of, no matter how big your army is, you need Moat Cailin first, and it belongs to the Starks.
The S6 Finale was chock-full of VIMS!!!
the high sparrow did nothing wrong
neither did isis, its just their faith you guys
He hasn't kill anyone
Pierre x what do you think he would have done if loras hadn't submitted. " the warrior punishes those that think they can escape justice"
and i believe his faith militant killed a few 2 seasons ago in a brothel.
He wouldn't kill Loras and also he's crimes are nothing to compare to the crimes of the people he wanted to punish.
Yes he did. He fucking tortured people. He was the orchestrator and director of the equivalent of the god damn inquisition. It's almost impossible to do anything more wrong, except maybe feeding someone's own children to them.
awesome review, as usual! the "varys transportation" you complain about also bothered me at first, but then I realised that it's not that he went all the way down to Mereen again, but that they pick him up in Dorne as if you look at the ship's banners you can see Martell's, Greyjoy's and Targaryan's, so they're already in Westeros.
Another thing I loved is when Arya kills Walder Frey, and specially the way she does it. In the episode of the red wedding, there's Bran, Jojen and Meera staying for the night in a Night's Watch fortress, and Bran tells them a story about the castle being haunted by a ghost rat that was once the lord of the castle and cooked the king's sons and fed them to him, breaking the rules of the bread and salt or something like that, so the gods punished him. Arya did just the same to Walder Frey as a punishment for breaking those same rules killing her family when he had offered them the bread and the salt. This show is just brilliant
17:20 "the fries and the lannisters send their regards." hahah, fucking lost it 😂
I think you guys are skirting around and not quite getting at the nugget of the plot. GoT makes us sympathize with "villians" and "heroes" both so we rejoice at their moments of revenge. The point is to examine the nature of revenge. When it comes to Sansa. Ahem. Sansa has never been that good. She was innocent in the sense of ignorant of the ways of the world, but she started out as a shallow bitch. All she wanted was to be queen. Remember that she betrayed Arya in Season 1 when she refused to testify what happened at the murder of the butcher boy. Why didn't she tell Jon about the army of the Vale? It wasn't because she was dumb. Could they have saved Rickon with a bigger army? Maybe. Whether she really thought Rickon was a lost cause or just wanted him out of the way due to his claim to succession, I don't know. But she withheld the information for a purpose. We just don't know what that purpose is, yet. Whatever her plan is, it is obvious now Sansa is a player. She arranges for the gruesome death of the horrible Ramsey and as it is happening she starts to look away... then she changes her mind. She revels in it. I don't think she is pregnant; I think Ramsey is right - his viciousness is part of her now. That's born out by the little satisfied smile. And that is the lesson we are meant to take away. Not just that revenge is sweet, because of course it is, but that violence is a disease and it can't be cured with more violence.
Oh Cenk is there - bye.
Varys is on the ship because he brought the Dorn fleet.
Varys being on the boat with dany was not a glitch, if you look closely in that scene you can see ships with banners from dorne and tyrell, they basically picked up varys there, dorne and tyrell ships joined in and now she's technically already in westeros. they just left that part out, no need for more talking, it was pretty obvious that dorne and tyrell were gonna join dany.
Wow, Cenk made an interesting point there, by the end of the episode, they are all in black...they are all crows readying to fight back the Whites. Very cool!
How had Anna never heard of R + L = J???
Because she's a casual fan and doesn't scour the internets for every little detail of the show?
Why is a casual fan on a review panel? I'd rather someone with more insight.
I don't get why people complain whenever varys or little finger come to places really quickly. I don't want realism if it means I have watch them travel and take nearly the whole season to arrive at a certain place. it's soo boring and it slow down the story
Because it's bizarre to see them teleport to opposite ends of the world in a split second.
Mereen and Dorne are like the distance between Spain and Turkey there not on opposite sides of the world.
Shara Banks True, but on a map it looks like it'd be similar to a trip around the horn of Africa between India and Spain to get there.
I never rooted for Cersi. She created all her own problems
I sat up and took notice thinking "Yeah, Aria!" when she first spoke. the line was "They are here, my lord." where I had a flash back to Tywin telling her that it's M'Lord, not My Lord.
to answer the "who is gonna become cersei's hand of the queen" question: her mad scientist already had the pin on his chest when she was crowned
My favourite scene was when Davos confronts Melisandre about the death of Shireen but of course they never mentioned it because it is not SJW enough for them.
Eh? That scene couldn't have been more SJW.
literally Davos was asking for social justice in that scene.....
+el80ne
He think, he thinks SJW stands for So Just Water.
Which doesn't make any sense.
That was so briliant, Davos deserves oscar for that.
+Taylor Simpson 😂😂😂
Overrated episode I dont get this response from everyone.
Probably seems better than it actually was because this season was really poor.
You sound like a fun person
Agreed, series goes downhill after this.
Nah you're just a sour puss
8+9 were great, the rest was so disapointing
Cersei literally nuked people with sticks for weapons lmfao
I see a lot of people complain about Ana not knowing about Jon's lineage. You have to realize that for the people who have _only_ watched the show on TV, didn't read the books and don't hang around on Reddit and YT for fan theories, which is probably the majority of the viewers, this was not obvious at all. I can guarantee you that *a lot* of people who enjoy this show had the exact same question as Ana, and now they got it answered.
Do you think the average GoT viewer has even heard about "Azor Ahai" for instance? Of course not, we are a tiny minority, and if we want more people to get into it, we must tolerate that someone asks some "stupid" questions now and then.
Yes, if no one on the panel knew, and Ana's question remained unresolved, _that_ would be a problem. But as long as there are people there who know, like Jon, then having some basic questions answered just makes the show better.
Don't be an elitist jerk. There are plenty of review channels for hardcore nerds out there, like *Alt Shift X*, just go there instead of spewing bullshit on other channels just because they also respect people who know less than you.
Ana is being insulted because she's a woman. Seems to be par for the course in UA-cam comment sections.
Salty Admiral
You're right.
Love listening to you guys talk about the show!
One small thing: Loras was not the best fighter in the show, since he got beaten by Brienne in that mock fight in the court of Renly Baratheon, in the second season, when Catelyn goes to ask him for his allegiance to Robb.
He IS the best fighter of all - along with Ser Baristan Selmy of course - in the books. :)
Really late commenting, I know. But as to Varys teleportation - if you look at the fleet, there are Targaryen ships, Iron Born ships, and Dornish and Highgarden ships. My assumption is that Highgarden came down to join with Dorn, and they both joined with Dany as she came along. She has to pass by Dorn to reach the Iron Islands or Kings Landing. It's not actually teleportation, but a huge time gap they chose not to bore us with so they could keep the momentum going. Think how much time it would take to re-outfit the ships she'd taken with golden dragon heads and sails painted with the three headed Targaryen dragon, as well as gather and load provisions for the army she's amassed - and get the Dothraki hoarde's horses loaded and provisioned as well.
I don't understand all the hate for the High Sparrow, he may be a religious nut job but he's one of the few characters in the story who is actually for the mass populous, you'd think the progressive network would be behind that lol
I agree GOTAcademy do a great video explaining this
every dictator starts off as 'for the people' just look at the french revolution, the communist revolution, hitler ect ect
He is as "for the people" as the Spanish Inquisition. He is a terrible person
So you just ignore the fact, that ALLL are MONARCHS in Westeros? WHICH IS A FUCKING DICTATORSHIP?! Oo
The only people for the common person is the brotherhood without banners and even they have bad actors among them.
Get that lady OUT of the panel, lmao she's so clueless
+Sothpawman Out of the panel and onto my bed.
Why be a troll? How is that fun?
+Pedro Quedas it's not, im just saying that she doesn't add any information or insight to the review, so why have her in it?
Edna Toscano I was responding to +Sothpawman, but the tag didn't activate, for some reason. Your comment was perfectly valid, the kitchen remark was just idiotic.
+Pedro Quedas Oh, sorry then.
But yeah, those are really stupid comments
Look at this Ana chick! She looks dangerously hot
Take your vulgarity elsewhere please.
Pascale Celine
I don't think I will. People have the right to express their opinion. And there is nothing "vulgar" about it, that's a meaningless term used by prudes who haven't figured out that sexual desires are normal. She's an attractive woman, and there is nothing unnatural or wrong about saying so. It's completely normal to feel attracted to a young, beautiful woman, who also happens to be intelligent, making her even more attractive. If you don't like it, that's your problem.
I never said it's not ok to be attracted to beautiful women, or anyone, or to say that you are, just that the language you used to express this is extremely misogynistic and objectifying. I agree she's a beautiful woman, that's beside the point. You could have expressed your thoughts in a more respectful, complimentary way if that was your intention. I'm sure you knew that.
She's there "because" she's a hot piece of ass...and I hear, a college professor too. What's that Van Halen song about Hot for Teacher?
She looks like she was rode hard and put away wet.
Total drug addict. in 2 years she can be added to "the faces of meth".
Remember when Bran was tell the story about the gods cursing the man the ate his guest and liking it..that's kinda what happened to Frey..lol
You guys should do a total summary of everything that has happened and theories for the future. I think a lot of people would like to see that!
Whats with the hate for the High Sparrow?
He's a hypocritical, power hungry, religious extremist that thinks he's above everyone else?? Brainwashing a little kid and basically taking control of a city via military coup.
+rdizzy1 well I have seen the power hungry (but didn't see anything negative about it), I have seen the religious extremism part (really bad guy, though even have hating Loras had a political move behind it), but again, the power lead to stopping the monarchy, the way he achieved that power was hypocritical to his religious beliefs, but I didn't see any negative or bad thing he did the last 2 seasons. Every one he went after were people of power and were really bad people.
WittyTech He was trying to push his values on everyone else. Trying to tell everybody how to live. Even if the only person your doing harm to is just yourself. Sure they were a torn in the monarchy's side. They were a cult that was going to police people's sex lives, torture those who didn't pratice there religion, use the poor as pawns in their political games
Ummmm.... he's a hypocrite extremist lunatic who holds only his enemies accountable for standards he doesn't give a fuck about! The entire group of religious assholes were getting hard ons for torture, not for justice!
WittyTech Larissa Marjorie Tyrell were not bad in my opinion. I liked them and I wished they had survived.
rewatched this fabulous review! thnx again
Irritated at the absence of both Ben *and* Matt. I'm glad that we have a female viewpoint, though I honestly have never respected Anna's in relation to the show (please note that I am aware I am not the god of all, just stating my opinion). Most of the time all she does is say, "Yay Dany!" or flinch when some random act of brutality crosses the screen. Is she _really_ the only woman at TYT that watches this show or read the books? Meh, disappointing but haven't watched this vid, maybe she'll surprise me.
EDIT: And she does, she's got some value in this even if it's not much. Still ... Needs to actually pay some attention here and there. Get the feeling she watches some really stupid shit based on her observational skills.
And at 34:58 - vindicated. Anna is a natural peroxide in the brain blond.
Kim Horcher and Gina Grad both did at least one review of the 40 GOT reviews TYT has done. I don't think Ana is there to provide a female perspective, I think she is there because she loves the show and so she has invited herself to do the reviews when she can. And because she's such a bigwig at TYT, and they are all friends, and Ben and Matt evidently weren't there, no one is going to tell her that she can't give her opinions. She is awful at this (and BTW so is Cenk), but I don't think that her gender factored into anything that happened here.
Steve G I didn't mean that Anna was there via a sort of "Affirmative Action," more that I was glad to _get_ a female perspective on the show, I just wished to gawd it wasn't Anna. HOWEVER she did do better this time around I feel than previous times, so I need to edit my OP to reflect that. I would indeed prefer to have Kim Horcher or Sam Schacher (sp?) jump on for an episode or 2 recap, even if only as a trial. Can't fully agree with Cenk being terrible at this because unlike Anna, he gets a bit of synergy counterweight when Ben's there, as Ben seems to be the one guy he respects and will accept a verbal smackdown from. Jon and even Matt just don't seem to offer that same ability to rebuff him and make him reflect on his ideas.
Gangrel Aussie
Cenk is strong-willed, but he usually does listen to other opinions on his panel shows. The problem here is that he tends to fundamentally misunderstand storytelling conventions, or he believes that because it's Game of Fucking Thrones!!!!!!!, anything can happen to anyone at any time, and so he feels that Sam Tarly or Sansa or Tyrion can get killed at any time, and that literally anyone can rise to power. Gilly can rise to power in his mind because "THAT'S THE GAME OF THRONES!!" As a result, he gets surprised by the simplest things.
***** That is a truly horrifying thought, but worse still I can see it ("I hate these fucking bitches _but_ I have to keep watching!"). BTW, happy 4th of July! :D
I loved Brett's joke about Northerners as I can't go back home to Leeds without hearing 'Yorkshire! Yorkshire! Yorkshire!'
About Varys being on the ship at the end. Varys brought back more ships. That is why he was there. In episode 8 when he left for Westeros he said to Tyrion "We need friends in Westeros and we need more ships". Also, if you look at the fleet closely there were ships with Dorne and Tyrell sigils on the sails.
Cant wait for jon snow to destroy danaerys and her army XD
I think they're going to end up marrying and their armies teaming up to fight the white walkers....u need ice (being Jon and the north) & Fire (being khalessi and her dragons) to beat the army of the dead
dude do u even keep up with this show? hes gonna need her army to defeat the White walkers... also u rly think his 4000 men would stop 100000 dothrakis and 3 dragons? comon dude wtf theyre obviously gonna team up cuz Tyrion knows Jon and was married to Sansa
Isnt she his aunt?
jon can get more wildings beyond the wall plus he has the vale and bran, stop replying me
yes she is but that doesn't matter as it's a very Targerian thing to do
This episode was sheer spectacle. Very little of the story made any sense. Most namely, the event at the Twins with Arya. So many plot holes and nonsensical things about this 10th episode. The more this show goes on, the more it loses the depth of character and story. Things just happen out of nowhere or things happen with half-assed explanations.
Yup. I totally agree.
A lot of people had predicted many of the things that happened in this episode. So it didn't really come out of nowhere. If you don't believe it go read the prediction thread on reddit.
Eien Blu
I don't think he necessarily meant that things in this episode happened out of nowhere. He is talking about the general quality of the show.
And besides, the fact that people predicted something doesn't mean it didn't come out of nowhere. There are a lot of crazy theories out there that have absolutely no foundation or foreshadowing. If some of them end up being true, that doesn't necessarily mean they make sense.
Many people predicted Arya would kill Walder, and yet it definitely came out of nowhere and made no sense in terms of how Arya snuck into the castle, killed two of Walder's grown sons, chopped them up, baked them into a pie without anyone in the kitchens objecting, and then murdered Walder in his conveniently empty hall (no guards, no servants, no family members), and somehow escaped without being seen, caught, or pursued.
They made it seem so ridiculously easy, they might as well have Arya pop up in Cersei's bed chambers in the season 7 premiere and kill her by posing as a handmaiden or something.
Lower your expectations and enjoy the show. It isn't the books.
Totally agree. Some people take things way too seriously.