Thank you for doing this review - I own the R9/R9M but have been a bit worried about using it. Seems great! Would really like to know more about your ground station and what video receiver/antenna combo you're using.
Thanks, yes, I have it on my To-Do list to do a video about the ground station! It is a mess right now, but either way... people will get an idea what I am using.
Another great video . Thanks. Do you know if L9r module that works on 900mhz will interfere with 3dr telemetry that runs on 900mhz ? Have you used any telemetry system to suggest? Thanks in advanced.
Interestingly enough, I have used 900Mhz telemetry along with the R9 module... and since you can tune the telemetry's frequency range, I tried to move it out of the R9's range, although I am using the EU firmware for the R9, so it is running at 868Mhz, not 900Mhz! I have not seen it affect the R9, but it is possible the R9's telemetry, if enabled, might have an effect on the telemetry module!
That system is worth serious consideration over more Dragonlink receivers, not much more for the entire system and any additional receivers end up being way cheaper. Great review again, and thanks.
Very Nice review! I got a full size X-Uav Talon recently and am looking for a long range system. Looks like it perhaps is gonna be the R9 system. A question: n the video at 4:22 there is some fast forward video, the shaking we see is it drifting in the Z axis at the gimbal or the plane not going straight? I'm asking because I recently build a 3D printed gimbal with a StorM32 controller, in some settings the Z axis drift a bit and go back.
Nope, not a drift of the gimbal. The plane's rudder PIDs are not very well tuned... which is driving me nuts when I review the footage... and I always forget to try and get that sorted!
You should really look into the Furious FPV 2.4ghz video system... it has a bit of an issue switching between the diversity antennas but seems to provide crystal clear video with a patch antenna out to 12km at least... if you get a DOCK-KING you can mount it in that and use it as a ground station... LOVE your channel man!
Thanks mate appreciate it! Thing is... even on 5.8Ghz I am starting to push 30kms now... and I think it can go a lot more... so not really ready to switch to a different system yet, but it is good to know there are options! :)
@@ArxangelRC i just saw another video where a guy got 25km of super clear video with the 2.4 system. Looked like he could have gotten farther with a bigger battery judging by signal quality. Still despite firmware updates it looks like the antenna switching problem is still present so maybe better to wait until they have that ironed out its a fairly new product
Why is everybody complaining about the failsafe issue on short distance with the R9M ? I cannot find discussions or videos regarding this and your video shows that the EU firmware is quite stable. I havent tested mine yet as I am still building my first quad. Thanks!
Not sure why that is, although granted, I am using it on a plane! In quads antenna placement is even more important as everything is packed so tightly in there!
Nice Batin on Batereon ;) sorry, that one had to be let out but I have a serious Question: EU legal meaning the use in the EU is legal right? How is that possible relying on FPV? It surely doesn't fit the sub250g sub30m loophole. Unfortunately I can find lots of sources that say it isn't but none that says it is allowed to fly FPV in germany, EU legal would mean legal everywhere in the EU right? Greetings
Well... like I said... the title was referring to the 868Mhz frequency and power output of the FrSky R9M module... this is legal in the EU... pairing it with video... is a whole different story! :)
@@ArxangelRC your title: "video system test (EU legal)" Your test wasn't EU legal. Nothing you can say erases the misleading nature of that. I'ts Clickbait it's obvious. Trying to wriggle yourself out of that... bad taste just stand to it.
Well... wasn't meant to be misleading, and was referring to the module frequency range and power output... NOT the video and flight distance, etc.! But... you know... since today's world everything is open to interpretation and people are free to be offended by everything, if it suits their tantrum throwing needs... I guess this is OK, I don't really mind! :)
Could you released one vdo(full) about the Taranis remote setup and configure for regular using ? because your any vdo introduction to very clearly and effortless to understand , Thank you brother,
OK, I will keep this in mind! Have not done something like this because I use very basic functions in the radio usually, and the bulk of other programming is done in the autopilot... but we will see... will think about it!
ArxangelRC understood. By the way, we should consider the trasmitter antenna rf pattern which is the super-8 antenna of r9m. What do you think about this point?
How much VTX power would I need at 5.8GHz to go about 10km? (With a fatshark diversity module, patch antenna and cloverleaf) Would the AKK 1.2W be a good option? Also how much power would I need on the telemetry radios for the Pixhawk I was thinking 500mw? Thanks for all the advice. Great video!
Yes, it should get the job done! With my antenna tracker I have been able to get 14 kms out of 200mW... but with the goggles you might not be able to point the antennas quite so accurately! This Vtx just might give you that chance, but keep in mind quality antennas are a more important than power output! As for the telemetry... with good antennas 100mW should be more than enough... then again... if you don't have any directional antennas... perhaps try the 500mW versions... and lets hope they work!
ArxangelRC Okay thanks. Would you recommend another plane instead of the Talon from what I'm looking to do? I will research the Omnibus but I think I'll take the Pixhawk 4 mini because I want to learn how to use it (then I can move all the equipment to a bigger plane). You have been very helpful many thanks.
ArxangelRC The Nano Talon. Since I saw the Dart XL review (great video) I have started learning to wards that even though I am a plane begginer. Which would be best?
Oh.. that scheme! Well... can't. EU firmware only has telemetry on the 25mW power output option. Besides... not really a problem to open it up and solder a cable... it was a 1 minute job! :) Plus, the APM I am using in this plane works well with the analogue RSSI, and was already setup for that.
I saved this video for reference: ua-cam.com/video/t-evOAS9Mkg/v-deo.html I have it working with my R9M/R9/micro minim OSD: ua-cam.com/video/MNPupPWhGvE/v-deo.html
Diversety means, you should install the two Antennas in separat polarisation ( H/V) or divided from each other. Contact a local Ham-Radio-Operator to measur your SWR ( Return Loss) of your Antennas and you will be surprised to reach the moon! If you just improve your RX-Antenna gain +6dB, it will double your distance. I also recomend a super low noise Pre-Amp @ 0.4dB NF.
During my flight, at no point, when I was at distance, was the plane banked more than 5-10 degrees... what good would a horizontal antenna be??? Especially when the antenna on the ground is vertical as well! As it is now... the video system is the limiting factor by a long shot... so at this time I really don't think that improving gain is really needed. If my video system ever manages to out-range the R9 receiver... then I will consider improving the antennas, or adding that Pre-Amp thingy! :) Thanks for the suggestions though!
With these flat antennas... I always keep thinking that they might be a tad more directional in one of the sides... so I mount them this to make sure that at any time, at least one antenna will have its more directional side towards the Tx on the ground.
Weeeeell... you've got that whole nose section to deal with... and still could have been heavier! I cut some foam out of the nose of the Clouds, so I can make room for a printed piece, and glued that in, then I just mount the gimbal to it with the dampers, and used zip ties to hold the dampers in place mostly during landings, because they do like to pull out of the beds when the plane hits the ground!
Have u tried the R9, as I just got one without the JR module? I have mine bindded and ready to go just wounding if you'd tried it just of the controller? and if that increased you distance at all. as We have bad weather for the next 2 weeks would love to know. It bound easily to my qx7 internal TX. Cheers.
I am pretty certain the R9 will NOT bind to the internal module of any of the FrSky radios! The R9 system operates on 868/900Mhz, while the internal modules are 2.4Ghz! Completely incompatible! Don't you mean the L9R receiver: goo.gl/76N7Sf
Yep you can I have. you need to bind it to L12 and it works great don't know where you got your info but its even in their extensive, ha ha, user guide. Just go to internal RF settings set to L12 bind as normal. Have mine setup with Pixhawk works a treat. But thats on the magic qx7 100%. It even tells you to bind internally to L12 on the xd9 internal RF sedtting. They are 68 from Bangood and we get them for 40 in Australia crazy. going to double check my prices from noe on thats a rip off :)
I still think you are talking about the L9R receiver! There is no way you would be able to bind a 900Mhz receiver to a 2.4Ghz radio!!! Can you show a video of this working?
In this video I am using a Pagoda that was made locally here to test the concept, but that was a while back! Right now I use the GEPRC Pagoda 2 antennas, and am exceptionally happy with them! You can find links to them in some of my more recent ZOHD Talon GT and X-UAV Clouds videos!
As it happens... apparently 900Mhz systems cause interference in 1.3Ghz video... at least without some adequate filtering... and also there is a radar tower in our are, which operates on the 1.3Ghz band... renders most frequencies in that range useless!
Could do that! Might compare it to the L9R, but that will be a bit later, as I will need to also make comparison long range flights with both receivers.
Hello. I soldered on the p4 pad of my R9 frsky receiving, a cable to send the analog Rssi signal, to my hobbyking Mini osd, with modified firmware. But the value that reads it does not go beyond 53%. On my X9d plus radio, the value I read is 100% If instead I connect to my mini osd, the output of the L9r receiver always frsky the value goes to 100%. I did some range tests from the radio, and the Rssi value coming out of pad p4 is as if it had a half scale. I also did the test on other 2 mini osd with the same firmware, with the same result. The mini osd has a potentiometer to calibrate the RSSI but acting on it does not change anything. What do you think about it? Thank you for your time.
I forgot, the - gnd that the mini osd wants to display the rssi, i got it from the s port. I also tried it from the pin -gnd servo. - gnd to sbus, don't vork.
Hi, well the analogue RSSI output on FrSky is 0 to 3.3v, so I would assume you need to enter the correct values in the OSD for it to scale it properly!
Hi, just curious if you ever tried a 1.2ghz video link with the R9m system. I am having serious video interference with the R9M module standing next to the video receiver. No idea how to solve this problem. Your inputs will be quite valuable for me, and all of us trying to use 900mhz and 1.2ghz together.
The solution is easy, use a low power 5.8G vtx on your Ground Station to relay the signal wirelessly to your Goggles or monitor. This way the 1.2G Video receiver is kept well away from your RC Transmitter. I use this method on my EZUHF setup for the same reason.
@@EnglishTurbines Thanks, in fact I tried that already, but it still doesn't help for 1.2G video. EZ UHF doesn't clash with 1.2 as it's far away from it.
Hmmmm... $130... seems kinda steep given there are $30-$40 options from China, with pretty much identical functionality! I do have a few of those... just haven't tested them yet!
Hey Nikola, my R9M arrived and all is good however I can not set failsafe on the module or receiver. I have Turnigy 9xr. Could you please let me know of the procedure? Thank you.
Not sure how failsafe is setup via the module, but for the receiver, once you have set the conditions you need for failsafe, press the button on the receiver for a second... that should do it... or at least it did it for me.
Thank you Nikola. In fact I managed to solve this issue after lots of troubleshooting but here is what I've found. Firstly, you need to have FRSKY QX7 in order to set failsafe.Then the firmware must be the newest available, otherwise the menu for failsafe won't be there. Once flashed in the menu of the model you're flying you have to turn the internal module off and enable the external module i.e R9M. Lastly in the menu of the model from "failsafe" option you may specify if the action is "no pulses", or last values or custom. After all that you may use other type of JR compatible radio like Turnigy 9XR.
Right... that failsafe works only with an FrSky radio, because only it can communicate with the module that way, the other radios just don't have the hardware necessary I would guess! Glad you figured it out though! :)
You should never setup the 2 RX antennas like that! You might as well only have one, they should be 90deg to each other. Also black printer filament contains carbon that can and will shield the antennas.
How much of the antenna does it actually shield? Have not seen any reduction in performance... as you can see! This antenna setup has worked for me over a number of years... so out of experience I'd say I am pretty happy with it and don't see the validity of "...should NEVER setup..."!!!
Thanks for this awesome test. You gave me some faith in this system. I bough a TBS Crossfire Micro TX and I'm really disappointed! Even with the diversity receiver on 100mw I get RSSI low warnings (RSSI/LQ in the osd also drops down to like 50%) at 2km. Once I even failsafed. 2km were easily possible with my FrSky x4r (Rssi was stabel around 80%) so I don't feel any real improvement. I though about buying the big Crossfire TX but that would be an extra 108€ over the Micro TX. I don't wanna go out further than 5km, I still chose to go with a longrange system to have extra security when flying planes that do not have RTH. Now I may just try out this system.
Thanks mate. Actually the L9R receiver ( goo.gl/76N7Sf ) should give you plenty of security out to 5kms, unless you like to fly low behind trees. I've been able to get out to 22kms with it, without loosing the signal... I can only assume 5kms will be quite trivial for it!
ArxangelRC yeah you may be right. I'm actually currently using an l9r receiver in my wing and had no problems. But since I'm also now starting to fly a bit further away with my miniquads a long range system just gives extra confidence. Also considering the price difference between an r9 and l9r receiver it seems worth the extra confidence I would gain. I once Fail-Safed at 1.8 km (x4r) over a forest and my quad fell to the ground. I was able to find it but the experience wasn't very pleasant and if possible I want to avoid another crash at longer distances.
the Crossfire system, when installed like in this video (foam plane, plenty of spacing with components, etc), will easily give you 20km on 10mW power setting. please keep in mind that with 900MHz systems the installation and RF profile performance matters a lot, not the output power.
Your antennas are not optimally mounted for a diversity RX, they should be 90deg to each other. The way you have it mounted you might as well only have one antenna. I have been using the R9M system since release and I love it!
Well diversity is more applicable where there is 3D flying... I fly level, at distance... hardly see the reason to mount them otherwise given that at distance my turns rarely happen at more than 5 dergee roll, so for my purpose, they are properly mounted! And yes, R9M has been brilliant for me as well, really like it!
Whelp. My next radio is gonna be frsky! Need this for my skyhunter (first a 1.2 video set up as my 5.8 give me only a mx of .5 (200mw) of a mile and it sucks. What cheaper frsky radion that this can go on? I expect all of their radios but asking just in case
This will plug into any radio with a JR module bay (Turnigy 9X, 9XR, 9XR Pro, Taranis anything, etc.). 900mhz RC links (such as TBS Crossfire, and this one) have been known to cause significant problems with 1.3Ghz video setups. You may want to do some more research and figure out if your planned setup will work. Most people flying 1.3 video are using 433 for control.
Yeah, I think you should be good with a 2.4Ghz video, but then that may be influenced by the amount of wireless routers in the air, unless you are somewhere out of town, where there is no interference!
How do you get the Telemetry data from the R9M module out to a laptop if your running ardupilot and want realtime tracking your flight or upload flight plans?
Ammm... I am not... but I think I've heard that it can be done! You can output the data to a bluetooh module, which can connect to the computer, but it does require some DIY!
It is the port right next to the SBUS one if I remember correctly! Then in MP in the full param list you need to set the RSSI pin to 103, if I am not mistaken, for the Pixhawk.
ArxangelRC by the way when you test new receiver r9 mini with module r9m. I will wait your next video about r9mini. The size like nano receiver tbs crosfire
I have very similar setup of r9m and r9slim+ and today I had like 60-70% of rssi after 170 meters! Using lgb version of firmware on both module and receiver. Can't yet tell what is wrong.
Is telemtry on or off for this flight? and will turning it off give you overall better range? or once it gets out of range it will just say telemtry lost but still have radio to the plane? im not too sure how that works?
Telemetry is off, because this was done on the 500mW option, and for the EU firmware it has no telemetry! As far as I can tell... people who try to use telemetry do have worse results, which is expected... Usually for my Graupner radio, when I lost telemetry that didn't cause a failsafe, the radio link was still good! For some reason FrSky gear goes into failsafe the moment telemetry is lost... so even if you have radio... it will go into failsafe... at least that is how I think the protocol works based on my observations!
The Dragonlink works well for sure... could be yours had problematic antennas... everybody said my system arrived with the older antennas... and yet it is working perfectly and the range is amazing!
The Lite only goes u to 200mW... I can test my module at that power level... and actually I have been doing that with the Mini AR Wing! With the R9MM receiver I get over 5kms easy, with proper antenna placement... what ranges are you looking for?
@@ArxangelRC No range specifically, I probably won't be going past 5km. I just don't want that to be the limiting factor because I chose the lite over the normal. Can always get a x-lite to JR module adapter, it just doesn't look & fit as sleek as the lite module :P
@@ArxangelRC Ended up getting a secondhand earlier version of the r9m full, EU version. How much do you need the xt30 on the module itself? The version I bought does not have the xt30. Can I just put a big / external battery in my transmitter? Also, what antenna do you have on the module?
I've heard that the TBS Diamond is a very good replacement, although I haven't gotten one yet... though I am planning to at some point, when the stock one starts lacking in range! :)
Hi. I notice that you use my fly dream aat. System. I have burned twice osd bought on eBay. Do you have any video or manual that show the correct wiring of that osd ??
I've also burned out a few, but I figured out why! When I power everything with a single battery, and use a common ground, I used to have two separate plugs for the AP system, and the video system. If I don't plug all at once, but plug the video system later, the TeleFly OSDs were getting damaged for some reason... so I stopped doing this! Could it be a ground loop issue?
You can use it on any radio that has a JR style module bay at the back. Alternative you could try to DIY some wiring thing to hook it up, but it will have to hang outside of the radio if it doesn't have this module bay.
The longest range i have been is 300 meters XD My quad sure can go up to 1km but i never dared go to the limit, at least not as a beginner. I can't wait to release the shackles with one of these LR modules.
Hi, Thanks for the video, it's so helpfull ! It's amazing to see that system work with EU LBT,Just not understand where you done the "Magic" /What i do wrong? I tried using the same firmware but it simply don't want to Bind... So i try use the flex firmware and it does work! So i'm happy now i have at least something what actually working...But also know its not relally good/ right...So i try to find some way how to make it work "EU Legal" Any ideas?... Anyone? Thank you a lot! Bob
Hm... well... I haven't really had any issues with this system at all, so not sure where could be the problem people are experiencing! I am using stock antennas and some older firmware that I refuse to update! Is the receiver on a plane, or a copter?
@@ArxangelRC It's on Plane Mini Skyhunter, Using Taranis X9D with open TX 2.3.2 Nothing special stock components .I doing FPV couple years and i was happy with L9R but sometimes it go to failsafe because of distance so i want to try something which make me sure i have enough radio distance,even i not flying that far as you.So i get R9M. but i think i can use it because in the radio flex firmware is possible to set 868Mhz for EU -Not tested it yet so hope it gonna work... Fingers crossed-Sometime it's like loterry those things...
Hello guys. I am using the r9 m module on my taranis and my little drift has got the r9 mini receiver on it. On some days I can easily fly for 5 or more km range. But on some other days I get a way longer range. Maybe only 1 or 2 km. The plane turns itself into failsafe after it looses the connection. I am not that experienced and so I'm asking myself if somebody may have an idea why that might be. In your experience, are there some days with more bad interferences than others? Might humidity be a factor? Thanks for your input. Looking forward to It.
@@ArxangelRC it is set to 200 mW. Should be sufficient for all the shenanigans I can think of. I am very Thankful for your reply Mr. Arxangel, but I am afraid the super eight Atenna on the r9m module might have an connection issue. I have ordered another oneto swap that out.
@@ArxangelRC happy new year👌thanks a lot for your videos, your attitude, honesty, help and inspiration. About 2 years ago I discovered your channel and since then I have built half a dozen of planes with f405, f405 wse, f765. Wouldn't have been possible without your 'work along' style setup videos. I started learning with the zohd drift and my first arduplane is a volantex phoenix (can mount bigger prop than ranger, I like it slow, quiet, efficient). I remember very clearly how amazed I was. One day watching your video about the f405, straight up ordering a soldering station In the amazon, next day setting everything up accordingly (soldering worked easy for me, even though it was a first attempt. No problems soldering the pins. I learned the temperature matters the most) and finally the maiden flight. My yaw dropped so hard I couldn't believe it just worked. I used a foxeer trex and the sun was quite low already, so the slightly oversaturated picture of the trex just felt like instagram dreamland. You sir create videos which allows people to enter into this hobby very easily. I had close to zero experience in building anything before this and now 2 years later I am so deep into the rabbit hole and can begin to fully appreciate and harness all the possibities there are and you opened to us and me personally. Thanks a lot, keep flying forever
Used to be like that when I last bound these two together... haven't updated since then, so I can't say for sure, but I think the new Flex firmware changes the output on the go automatically... but you need to have telemetry running for it to work properly I think! :)
ArxangelRC yes, I did try OpenTX 2.2.2. I did not rebind and change to 500mW. I also used Soectrum Analyzer to test the output power as well, it’s around -12dBm which is good enough to see the difference. Later I flew mini Talon for 5.4KM until VTX break down. The RSSI warning came about 4KM for like 1-2 seconds, and quickly regain RSSI. I did not try 1W output since it begin to have low level noise generated from R9M module. The sounds make me uncomfortable, I decide to give up 1W and stay with 500mW.
@@rizen3467 A while back I was doing some tests at that same location I am flying from in this video, and with some of the antennas I was able to get past the 5th km... perhaps it was even more if memory serves... at 25mW output on the Vtx! If you are in a rural environment with no outside interference and a good line of sight, some good antennas can take 25mW pretty far out!
Can you help me, i have R9M and R9slim+ reciever. When i set 25mw i can bind easy. When i set above it, 250 or 500mw i can’t bind. All is latest eu firmware installed. How can you adjust 500mw?
Hmmm... can't really say what the issue could be! I have been able to bind mine at any output power with the firmware version I have, and I haven't update to newer versions - if it works... why touch it?!?! In any case... this is not OK, have you tried moving the receiver further away from the radio? Could be at these higher power levels the receiver gets swamped from the radio and it can't bind properly!
Hi thanks for the reply. i tried to put the transmitter far away from the reciever to bind, but unfortunately it doesn´t work. Not in 200 and not in 500mW. i think maybe they restricted this with their latest firmware? can you tell me what firmware is on your module and reciever? or, if not, when did you buy it? i try older firmware! and you are right, never change a running system.
Can't remember now which version I used, but it is at least 3 months old... try some of the older ones, but you will have to flash the receivers with the corresponding older firmware for them as well! :)
are you will try, i get info from my friend , r9m conect to ppm mode. then qx7 bind to xsr to mode ppm then xsr install to cppm on modul r9m the result is qx7 just conect to xsr (r9m modul +xsr be one ) with power bat 2S on tripod i I have not tried
Yup, this sounds like it should work! I have been thinking about something like this myself, so I can put the module on the antenna tracker along with the Vrx, to get the best signal possible to the airplane!
Hahaha... well not yet! I am waiting on something... hoping it will be here by the end of next month... but we will see! Not planning on making it yet, only thinking about it! :)
Thank you! I have been searching the internet for over half a year now, but the only good quality low KV brushless motors I could find were from Sunnysky. Unfortunately they are expensive and can only be ordered from China or the US. The Racestar motors seem like a good solution as I want to build a motor glider with long flight times. What is your experience with them or can you recommend any other motors?
Weeeeell, the price of the SunnySkys is justified... they are good quality. T-motor is another good motor, but even more expensive. Racerstars are OK, but their bearings are not very good... need lubricating or possibly replacing after very little use... which really makes the SunnySkys not that expensive! Usually the higher the prop, and the lower Kv the motor, the better the flight time, even on a fixed wing! :)
I wouldn't get the Mini Talon for a first plane... dodgy take offs, fast landings... :) The Nano Talon is a better option... although the XK A1200 is a much better option for beginners! :)
@@ArxangelRC Hm.. My issue is just, I'm not looking to get plane after plane after plane etc. I just want a single plane that'll fly stable for some HD video(probably runcam split), and will let me fly for long, so I can fly far / high. Nano Talon seems to be able to fly far, but from what I've seen its not the most stable plane. Edit: I've also looked at the zohd orbit, but I'd imagine it has the same stability issues as the talon
Actually the Orbit shouldn't have roll issues, but flying wings to suffer from YAW movements during flight! ZOHD will be releasing a Dart XL end of this month... and I think it will be VERY good!
@@ArxangelRC I see. On the banggood page, the dart xl is quite expensive though, €174.. Don't know if I can justify that much for less yaw twitch :P Or is it not the final price?
I think the pre-order will be around 170 USD, final price after the pre-order will be 200 USD. This is with electronics, etc.! According to ZOHD... a lot of serious engineering has gone into this plane... they are quite confident... and if that is true... which I believe it could be... that just might be worth the money to have a properly designed plane at last! :D
Outstanding, not surprising though with 500mw of RF output...Im guessing having a 5.8G video link helped. Are you sure the EU LBT rule is 500mw..?.....I would have thought 10mw is more like the legal limit knowing those meddling idiots..?
Hahahaha, no idea what the max allowed output is at that frequency... but there has to be a reason why the EU version has been castrated like this! 5.8Ghz is a great frequency... doesn't interfere with anything else...
I think if you investigate, you are not allowed to run your TX above 10 mw....maximum RF output. If you are using a Horus Transmitter, it has RF power pre-sets, starting at 10 mw for folk like you in the EU...!!!! 5.8G is a great video frequency, if you like flying distance on the edge of space....lol. Dragon Link receivers are not as resistant to 1.2G Video as the EZUHF system. The DL Transmitters are also known to be dirty sideband generators and also affect 1.2G Video receivers if they are too close.
EnglishTurbines I am pretty sure it’s 25mW, you can put the CorssFire Tx in CE mode and I think that limited it to 25mW max power (so it jumps from 10mW to 25mW when needed)
Well... 25mW isn't going to get us anywhere... so a good job they included that 500mW option... but while they are at it... might as well give us the same functionality as the FCC one... could be without telemetry... don't care about that anyway! :D I actually am using the international firmware on my Taranis and 2.4Ghz receivers. That EU firmware for those is no good in my eyes!
Well, TBS claims they get 20km out of 10mW of output power with their CrossFire system... but do we believe them that they were operating "EU legal" :)... ua-cam.com/video/q2XiUfZUBhE/v-deo.html
Hey it's me help me my x8r it works fine but sometimes I got critical signal issue and it sucks I tried everything but nothing worked please buddy help me with it
There are... all are 10kms high! As for ultralights with 1-2 seats... so rare, its embarrassing! And even fewer where we usually fly! They mostly fly to the North of our location to the Rila mountain, which is an awesome place to fly around... might do it someday! If I stay close to the mountain I should be well away from any air traffic!
In any case... our planes are so small... and so few... chances of running into anything up there even with more traffic in such a vast space.... it is minuscule! The chance of somebody running into a drone at low altitude is much higher than at 2kms high!
I watch them occasionally, but Bruce is right as well... ultralight guys need to tone it down and admit that they are not the sole proprietors of the skies anymore!
Many people have a crossfire, its a good/proven system.. This one is way cheaper, is supported by FrSKY and doesn't need a PC based program to run updates. I appreciate this video and would like to see more people having success/reviewing this as it's a lower cost option and has insane range.
is it that much cheaper? With "high key" quad races requiring to use crossfire it became a no-brainer for those but with "LongRange" it's still not that common like Dragon Link or EzUHF (is that still a thing lol? :D)... what I am curious now... you say "doesn't need a PC based program to run updates", how does FrSky solves that "problem"? I mean the CorssFire Tx can flash over the air the receivers which I already did and love, but true, you still need a PC to update the FW on the Tx module, does FrSky offer you to just "drop it on the Taranis SD card" to update Tx and Rx?
It's $75 for the R9M+R9 Slim.. 1/2 the cost of a crossfire micro bundle and 10 times the output power. Since the R9M can output 1W it's more comparable with the big $210 full-size crossfire. As you said.. updates are done by dropping the files on the Taranis SD card.
ArxangelRC look into long rang landscape photography the world record is 240 miles witch on our Globe of 25'000 miles in circumference would be over 37'000 Ft 7.25 Miles behind the curve of the Earth impossible on a ball only on a flat plane can that be achieved ...food for thought...
Exactly! You don't need millions... but a few thousand or tens of thousands of $ would be required... and at this time that is seriously out of my budget! :D
i really like how you connect words with minimum pause/stop. save alot of time for those who need info fast. keep up the good work!
Hahaha, thanks mate, it is funny because a lot of people comment that I talk way too fast and are asking me to slow down... :)
yeeh, the guy doesn't even take a breath, thats how things are done in Bulgaria!
Thank you for doing this review - I own the R9/R9M but have been a bit worried about using it. Seems great! Would really like to know more about your ground station and what video receiver/antenna combo you're using.
Thanks, yes, I have it on my To-Do list to do a video about the ground station! It is a mess right now, but either way... people will get an idea what I am using.
Another great video . Thanks. Do you know if L9r module that works on 900mhz will interfere with 3dr telemetry that runs on 900mhz ? Have you used any telemetry system to suggest? Thanks in advanced.
Interestingly enough, I have used 900Mhz telemetry along with the R9 module... and since you can tune the telemetry's frequency range, I tried to move it out of the R9's range, although I am using the EU firmware for the R9, so it is running at 868Mhz, not 900Mhz! I have not seen it affect the R9, but it is possible the R9's telemetry, if enabled, might have an effect on the telemetry module!
That system is worth serious consideration over more Dragonlink receivers, not much more for the entire system and any additional receivers end up being way cheaper. Great review again, and thanks.
Thanks mate! :)
Very Nice review! I got a full size X-Uav Talon recently and am looking for a long range system. Looks like it perhaps is gonna be the R9 system. A question: n the video at 4:22 there is some fast forward video, the shaking we see is it drifting in the Z axis at the gimbal or the plane not going straight? I'm asking because I recently build a 3D printed gimbal with a StorM32 controller, in some settings the Z axis drift a bit and go back.
Nope, not a drift of the gimbal. The plane's rudder PIDs are not very well tuned... which is driving me nuts when I review the footage... and I always forget to try and get that sorted!
Awesome video. Did you allready perfom some more tests also with the smaller receivers ?
Thanks! Have not yet sadly... waiting on an R9 Mini to arrive and should be able to do a few more tests!
You can find small heat sinks for the vtx module that come with a thin double face strip
Yeah, I have some heatsinks on some of the Vtxs!
This video would have way more views if you had the 25km range in the title. Impressive range.
Alright... lets try that then! :P
You should really look into the Furious FPV 2.4ghz video system... it has a bit of an issue switching between the diversity antennas but seems to provide crystal clear video with a patch antenna out to 12km at least... if you get a DOCK-KING you can mount it in that and use it as a ground station... LOVE your channel man!
Thanks mate appreciate it! Thing is... even on 5.8Ghz I am starting to push 30kms now... and I think it can go a lot more... so not really ready to switch to a different system yet, but it is good to know there are options! :)
@@ArxangelRC i just saw another video where a guy got 25km of super clear video with the 2.4 system. Looked like he could have gotten farther with a bigger battery judging by signal quality. Still despite firmware updates it looks like the antenna switching problem is still present so maybe better to wait until they have that ironed out its a fairly new product
Will keep it mind and wait for the right time! But like I said... there is time... I am still not done with 5.8Ghz! :)
Why is everybody complaining about the failsafe issue on short distance with the R9M ? I cannot find discussions or videos regarding this and your video shows that the EU firmware is quite stable. I havent tested mine yet as I am still building my first quad. Thanks!
Not sure why that is, although granted, I am using it on a plane! In quads antenna placement is even more important as everything is packed so tightly in there!
good to see this system working! cheers!
So am I! :)
thanks for the review!
which transmitter antenna did you use, the super 8, the rubber duck or a different one?
The stock one...
@@ArxangelRC is the r9m transmitter compati le with jumper t16? .. does it have telemetry function
@@aeropeoplellc8160 I use r9m in my jumper t16. works great. telemetry works great also.
@@aeropeoplellc8160 12km so far is my Max. Still had plenty of rssi left
@@aeropeoplellc8160 which one you use 433 or 915... and stock antenna or other item
Best honest review I have seen on the frsky r9m system.
Thanks mate! :)
Nice Batin on Batereon ;) sorry, that one had to be let out but I have a serious Question:
EU legal meaning the use in the EU is legal right? How is that possible relying on FPV?
It surely doesn't fit the sub250g sub30m loophole.
Unfortunately I can find lots of sources that say it isn't but none that says it is allowed to fly FPV in germany, EU legal would mean legal everywhere in the EU right?
Greetings
EU legal... meaning the 868Mhz frequency option for the FrSky R9M module!
@@ArxangelRC so no EU legal FPV/long range flying :( the title is a bit misleading there though
Well... like I said... the title was referring to the 868Mhz frequency and power output of the FrSky R9M module... this is legal in the EU... pairing it with video... is a whole different story! :)
@@ArxangelRC your title: "video system test (EU legal)"
Your test wasn't EU legal. Nothing you can say erases the misleading nature of that. I'ts Clickbait it's obvious. Trying to wriggle yourself out of that... bad taste just stand to it.
Well... wasn't meant to be misleading, and was referring to the module frequency range and power output... NOT the video and flight distance, etc.! But... you know... since today's world everything is open to interpretation and people are free to be offended by everything, if it suits their tantrum throwing needs... I guess this is OK, I don't really mind! :)
Could you released one vdo(full) about the Taranis remote setup and configure for regular using ? because your any vdo introduction to very clearly and effortless to understand , Thank you brother,
OK, I will keep this in mind! Have not done something like this because I use very basic functions in the radio usually, and the bulk of other programming is done in the autopilot... but we will see... will think about it!
Do you think the T antenna of R9 receiver should be mounted vertically like you did?
Or horizontly? I’m confused.
Vertical! T is only the shape, doesn't mean it has to stand upright like the letter T!
ArxangelRC understood. By the way, we should consider the trasmitter antenna rf pattern which is the super-8 antenna of r9m. What do you think about this point?
Honestly... I have NO idea how that Super 8 has to be oriented... have not looked into it!
Very nice flight, what about the awg?.
Well this was so long ago I no longer remember exactly, but I think all loaded up the plane was just over 3kgs!
How much VTX power would I need at 5.8GHz to go about 10km? (With a fatshark diversity module, patch antenna and cloverleaf) Would the AKK 1.2W be a good option? Also how much power would I need on the telemetry radios for the Pixhawk I was thinking 500mw? Thanks for all the advice. Great video!
Yes, it should get the job done! With my antenna tracker I have been able to get 14 kms out of 200mW... but with the goggles you might not be able to point the antennas quite so accurately! This Vtx just might give you that chance, but keep in mind quality antennas are a more important than power output! As for the telemetry... with good antennas 100mW should be more than enough... then again... if you don't have any directional antennas... perhaps try the 500mW versions... and lets hope they work!
ArxangelRC Okay thanks. Would you recommend another plane instead of the Talon from what I'm looking to do? I will research the Omnibus but I think I'll take the Pixhawk 4 mini because I want to learn how to use it (then I can move all the equipment to a bigger plane). You have been very helpful many thanks.
Which talon? The big one, the Mini Talon, or the Nano Talon?
ArxangelRC The Nano Talon. Since I saw the Dart XL review (great video) I have started learning to wards that even though I am a plane begginer. Which would be best?
Between the Nano Talon and the Dart XL... the Dart XL is hands down the better plane... not sure the best one for a complete beginner though!
nice! why do you mount the diversity receiver antennas in parallel?
Well, when doing long range I NEVER do a turn at more than 5% banking angle, so really makes no sense to put them any other way! :)
@@ArxangelRC make sense now :)
If you have an open channel you can output RSSI/run a single wire from the signal pin to your OSD/FC.
How would that work?
ArxangelRC if it has telemetry, you can set rssi to output on one of your 16 control channels, in the channel mixer, just set the source as rssi.
Oh.. that scheme! Well... can't. EU firmware only has telemetry on the 25mW power output option. Besides... not really a problem to open it up and solder a cable... it was a 1 minute job! :) Plus, the APM I am using in this plane works well with the analogue RSSI, and was already setup for that.
I saved this video for reference:
ua-cam.com/video/t-evOAS9Mkg/v-deo.html
I have it working with my R9M/R9/micro minim OSD:
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Sure, but you have the FCC firmware, correct?
Diversety means, you should install the two Antennas in separat polarisation ( H/V) or divided from each other.
Contact a local Ham-Radio-Operator to measur your SWR ( Return Loss) of your Antennas and you will be surprised to reach the moon!
If you just improve your RX-Antenna gain +6dB, it will double your distance. I also recomend a super low noise Pre-Amp @ 0.4dB NF.
During my flight, at no point, when I was at distance, was the plane banked more than 5-10 degrees... what good would a horizontal antenna be??? Especially when the antenna on the ground is vertical as well! As it is now... the video system is the limiting factor by a long shot... so at this time I really don't think that improving gain is really needed. If my video system ever manages to out-range the R9 receiver... then I will consider improving the antennas, or adding that Pre-Amp thingy! :) Thanks for the suggestions though!
totally get your attitude, but why mounting the second antenna than at all? Less drag, less weight (not that I think the later would count in RL)
With these flat antennas... I always keep thinking that they might be a tad more directional in one of the sides... so I mount them this to make sure that at any time, at least one antenna will have its more directional side towards the Tx on the ground.
We are using the same Gimbal. Iwould be interesting in seeing how you install it on the nose of your plane. My method is a little bit too heavy.
The video of the installation of my gimbal ua-cam.com/video/tEQkJFpLJek/v-deo.html
Weeeeell... you've got that whole nose section to deal with... and still could have been heavier! I cut some foam out of the nose of the Clouds, so I can make room for a printed piece, and glued that in, then I just mount the gimbal to it with the dampers, and used zip ties to hold the dampers in place mostly during landings, because they do like to pull out of the beds when the plane hits the ground!
Hi, the R9 has a Max range of 10km. Did you use a antenna tracker for it?
Antenna tracker for the R9???? Not really... it doesn't need it... it can easily do much more than 10kms!!
Have u tried the R9, as I just got one without the JR module? I have mine bindded and ready to go just wounding if you'd tried it just of the controller? and if that increased you distance at all. as We have bad weather for the next 2 weeks would love to know. It bound easily to my qx7 internal TX. Cheers.
I am pretty certain the R9 will NOT bind to the internal module of any of the FrSky radios! The R9 system operates on 868/900Mhz, while the internal modules are 2.4Ghz! Completely incompatible! Don't you mean the L9R receiver: goo.gl/76N7Sf
Yep you can I have. you need to bind it to L12 and it works great don't know where you got your info but its even in their extensive, ha ha, user guide. Just go to internal RF settings set to L12 bind as normal. Have mine setup with Pixhawk works a treat. But thats on the magic qx7 100%.
It even tells you to bind internally to L12 on the xd9 internal RF sedtting. They are 68 from Bangood and we get them for 40 in Australia crazy. going to double check my prices from noe on thats a rip off :)
I still think you are talking about the L9R receiver! There is no way you would be able to bind a 900Mhz receiver to a 2.4Ghz radio!!! Can you show a video of this working?
Maybe you already wrote it before, but what type of antenna did you use on TX side?
In this video I am using a Pagoda that was made locally here to test the concept, but that was a while back! Right now I use the GEPRC Pagoda 2 antennas, and am exceptionally happy with them! You can find links to them in some of my more recent ZOHD Talon GT and X-UAV Clouds videos!
Amazing video! Are you going to test the other recievers?
Thanks! Yes, the R9 Slim is mounted in a 6" racer, waiting for some new motors and I will do some tests with it as well! :)
As it happens... apparently 900Mhz systems cause interference in 1.3Ghz video... at least without some adequate filtering... and also there is a radar tower in our are, which operates on the 1.3Ghz band... renders most frequencies in that range useless!
ArxangelRC oh, well maybe 2.4 video?
Same problem, at least in the city - 1000s of wireless routers on that frequency!
Could do that! Might compare it to the L9R, but that will be a bit later, as I will need to also make comparison long range flights with both receivers.
I may be about a year late on seeing the video, but the rssi probably came back up because you had your mhw was set on auto on your transmitter
Nope, I've never had it on auto for an actual flight!
Hello. I soldered on the p4 pad of my R9 frsky receiving, a cable to send the analog Rssi signal, to my hobbyking Mini osd, with modified firmware. But the value that reads it does not go beyond 53%. On my X9d plus radio, the value I read is 100% If instead I connect to my mini osd, the output of the L9r receiver always frsky the value goes to 100%. I did some range tests from the radio, and the Rssi value coming out of pad p4 is as if it had a half scale. I also did the test on other 2 mini osd with the same firmware, with the same result. The mini osd has a potentiometer to calibrate the RSSI but acting on it does not change anything. What do you think about it? Thank you for your time.
I forgot, the - gnd that the mini osd wants to display the rssi, i got it from the s port. I also tried it from the pin -gnd servo. - gnd to sbus, don't vork.
Hi, well the analogue RSSI output on FrSky is 0 to 3.3v, so I would assume you need to enter the correct values in the OSD for it to scale it properly!
Hi, just curious if you ever tried a 1.2ghz video link with the R9m system. I am having serious video interference with the R9M module standing next to the video receiver. No idea how to solve this problem. Your inputs will be quite valuable for me, and all of us trying to use 900mhz and 1.2ghz together.
As far as I've heard and read, these two frequencies do have an issue working together... at least without some filtering, or something!
The solution is easy, use a low power 5.8G vtx on your Ground Station to relay the signal wirelessly to your Goggles or monitor. This way the 1.2G Video receiver is kept well away from your RC Transmitter.
I use this method on my EZUHF setup for the same reason.
@@EnglishTurbines Thanks, in fact I tried that already, but it still doesn't help for 1.2G video. EZ UHF doesn't clash with 1.2 as it's far away from it.
you should invest in the pinpointrc black box so you can at least find your plane if you lose it at these ranges
Hmmmm... $130... seems kinda steep given there are $30-$40 options from China, with pretty much identical functionality! I do have a few of those... just haven't tested them yet!
Hey Nikola, my R9M arrived and all is good however I can not set failsafe on the module or receiver. I have Turnigy 9xr. Could you please let me know of the procedure? Thank you.
Not sure how failsafe is setup via the module, but for the receiver, once you have set the conditions you need for failsafe, press the button on the receiver for a second... that should do it... or at least it did it for me.
Thank you Nikola. In fact I managed to solve this issue after lots of troubleshooting but here is what I've found. Firstly, you need to have FRSKY QX7 in order to set failsafe.Then the firmware must be the newest available, otherwise the menu for failsafe won't be there. Once flashed in the menu of the model you're flying you have to turn the internal module off and enable the external module i.e R9M. Lastly in the menu of the model from "failsafe" option you may specify if the action is "no pulses", or last values or custom. After all that you may use other type of JR compatible radio like Turnigy 9XR.
Right... that failsafe works only with an FrSky radio, because only it can communicate with the module that way, the other radios just don't have the hardware necessary I would guess! Glad you figured it out though! :)
You should never setup the 2 RX antennas like that! You might as well only have one, they should be 90deg to each other. Also black printer filament contains carbon that can and will shield the antennas.
How much of the antenna does it actually shield? Have not seen any reduction in performance... as you can see! This antenna setup has worked for me over a number of years... so out of experience I'd say I am pretty happy with it and don't see the validity of "...should NEVER setup..."!!!
Thanks for this awesome test. You gave me some faith in this system. I bough a TBS Crossfire Micro TX and I'm really disappointed! Even with the diversity receiver on 100mw I get RSSI low warnings (RSSI/LQ in the osd also drops down to like 50%) at 2km. Once I even failsafed. 2km were easily possible with my FrSky x4r (Rssi was stabel around 80%) so I don't feel any real improvement. I though about buying the big Crossfire TX but that would be an extra 108€ over the Micro TX. I don't wanna go out further than 5km, I still chose to go with a longrange system to have extra security when flying planes that do not have RTH.
Now I may just try out this system.
Thanks mate. Actually the L9R receiver ( goo.gl/76N7Sf ) should give you plenty of security out to 5kms, unless you like to fly low behind trees. I've been able to get out to 22kms with it, without loosing the signal... I can only assume 5kms will be quite trivial for it!
ArxangelRC yeah you may be right. I'm actually currently using an l9r receiver in my wing and had no problems. But since I'm also now starting to fly a bit further away with my miniquads a long range system just gives extra confidence. Also considering the price difference between an r9 and l9r receiver it seems worth the extra confidence I would gain. I once Fail-Safed at 1.8 km (x4r) over a forest and my quad fell to the ground. I was able to find it but the experience wasn't very pleasant and if possible I want to avoid another crash at longer distances.
Yeah, in that case the R9 system is the way to go! It hogs the battery of the Taranis like crazy though, just something to keep in mind! :)
the Crossfire system, when installed like in this video (foam plane, plenty of spacing with components, etc), will easily give you 20km on 10mW power setting. please keep in mind that with 900MHz systems the installation and RF profile performance matters a lot, not the output power.
That is true! Will have to actually switch to the 25mW mode and see how far that will get me! :)
Your antennas are not optimally mounted for a diversity RX, they should be 90deg to each other. The way you have it mounted you might as well only have one antenna. I have been using the R9M system since release and I love it!
Well diversity is more applicable where there is 3D flying... I fly level, at distance... hardly see the reason to mount them otherwise given that at distance my turns rarely happen at more than 5 dergee roll, so for my purpose, they are properly mounted! And yes, R9M has been brilliant for me as well, really like it!
Whelp. My next radio is gonna be frsky! Need this for my skyhunter (first a 1.2 video set up as my 5.8 give me only a mx of .5 (200mw) of a mile and it sucks. What cheaper frsky radion that this can go on? I expect all of their radios but asking just in case
This will plug into any radio with a JR module bay (Turnigy 9X, 9XR, 9XR Pro, Taranis anything, etc.). 900mhz RC links (such as TBS Crossfire, and this one) have been known to cause significant problems with 1.3Ghz video setups. You may want to do some more research and figure out if your planned setup will work. Most people flying 1.3 video are using 433 for control.
will it interfere with 2.4gz video? Since the 2.4gz on the radio will be turned off?
You should be good to go with 2.4 video.
Yeah, I think you should be good with a 2.4Ghz video, but then that may be influenced by the amount of wireless routers in the air, unless you are somewhere out of town, where there is no interference!
How do you get the Telemetry data from the R9M module out to a laptop if your running ardupilot and want realtime tracking your flight or upload flight plans?
Ammm... I am not... but I think I've heard that it can be done! You can output the data to a bluetooh module, which can connect to the computer, but it does require some DIY!
Hi dude, please explain. Do you use this blue wire for RSSI to FC ? Which port should I use on my Pixhawk for RSSI showing ?
It is the port right next to the SBUS one if I remember correctly! Then in MP in the full param list you need to set the RSSI pin to 103, if I am not mistaken, for the Pixhawk.
Hello my friend, are you use r9m first launching without add xt30 power in the back module.
Is range still okay? Can you explain
Thanks
My module does not have the external battery connector on the back, so I power it via the integrated Taranis battery - a 3S LiPo.
ArxangelRC ihave same, oke iwill use 3S lipo. thanks my friend
Good luck! :)
ArxangelRC by the way when you test new receiver r9 mini with module r9m.
I will wait your next video about r9mini. The size like nano receiver tbs crosfire
I will try to get some as soon as possible! :)
I welded cable in p4 pad and lost bind forever, lost receiver !!!
That is weird!!! WHY???
I have very similar setup of r9m and r9slim+ and today I had like 60-70% of rssi after 170 meters! Using lgb version of firmware on both module and receiver. Can't yet tell what is wrong.
Isn't that LGB missing a... T? Wasn't it LBT? I am using the same firm, though a very old version, and it is working great! Where did you fly?
@@ArxangelRC typo ;). Blank empty field, no obstacles. Did u use telemetry during this flight? What was the tx power used?
@@macieks.5959 Nope, I've never used telemetry with the R9 system!
Is telemtry on or off for this flight? and will turning it off give you overall better range? or once it gets out of range it will just say telemtry lost but still have radio to the plane? im not too sure how that works?
Telemetry is off, because this was done on the 500mW option, and for the EU firmware it has no telemetry! As far as I can tell... people who try to use telemetry do have worse results, which is expected... Usually for my Graupner radio, when I lost telemetry that didn't cause a failsafe, the radio link was still good! For some reason FrSky gear goes into failsafe the moment telemetry is lost... so even if you have radio... it will go into failsafe... at least that is how I think the protocol works based on my observations!
yeah ive seen that, i gave up on the whole 915 stuff i could not get past 10 miles with the r9 i now have a dragonlink :D
The Dragonlink works well for sure... could be yours had problematic antennas... everybody said my system arrived with the older antennas... and yet it is working perfectly and the range is amazing!
ArxangelRC i think so far you still hold the record for r9 distance :)
Really... that is weird! I would have thought somebody would have gone out further by now!
I have mine bound but when I plug it in it keeps beeping and I have no controls... Any ideas? I have telemetry...
What model is the receiver? Are the firmware versions of the receiver and radio the same?
awesome test
Thanks! :)
Could you possibly test the frsky r9m lite? I want to get x-lite but also want to be able to do long range for planes.
The Lite only goes u to 200mW... I can test my module at that power level... and actually I have been doing that with the Mini AR Wing! With the R9MM receiver I get over 5kms easy, with proper antenna placement... what ranges are you looking for?
@@ArxangelRC No range specifically, I probably won't be going past 5km. I just don't want that to be the limiting factor because I chose the lite over the normal. Can always get a x-lite to JR module adapter, it just doesn't look & fit as sleek as the lite module :P
I think you will be more than OK with the Lite module, 200mW should be able to easily cover that distance!
@@ArxangelRC Ended up getting a secondhand earlier version of the r9m full, EU version. How much do you need the xt30 on the module itself? The version I bought does not have the xt30. Can I just put a big / external battery in my transmitter? Also, what antenna do you have on the module?
What power setting did you have the module on?
The R9M? I think it was 200mW, no telemetry!
What antenna for the TX will work the best, because the one that comes with the R9M is pretty crap.
I've heard that the TBS Diamond is a very good replacement, although I haven't gotten one yet... though I am planning to at some point, when the stock one starts lacking in range! :)
Would you use two TBS Diamonds and if so how would you consider orienting them?
The Diamond is a Tx antenna... not sure how that would work on a receiver!
ArxangelRC My bad. I am putting the R9 on an Opterra and too focused on replacing the dipoles with higher gain antennas.
Actually I wouldn't replace the receiver antennas, but I would put a Diamond on the Tx, though I think it is a bit directional.
Hi. I notice that you use my fly dream aat. System. I have burned twice osd bought on eBay. Do you have any video or manual that show the correct wiring of that osd ??
Not really! The official manual for the TeleFlyPro is pretty good! Not sure what was the issue! How did you burn them?
ArxangelRC. just following wiring diagram at the manual :( chip begun to getting hot to burn.
I've also burned out a few, but I figured out why! When I power everything with a single battery, and use a common ground, I used to have two separate plugs for the AP system, and the video system. If I don't plug all at once, but plug the video system later, the TeleFly OSDs were getting damaged for some reason... so I stopped doing this! Could it be a ground loop issue?
ArxangelRC thanks for your response. I don't know yet the answer. I'm going to try again in the future but need to be sure what's happened.
Hey, burned out 3 boards before I figured out that was the issue. Never had a problem since!
Nice test👍
Thank you! :)
can i use r9m module on any rc transmitter ? or there is specific supported rc transmitters ?
You can use it on any radio that has a JR style module bay at the back. Alternative you could try to DIY some wiring thing to hook it up, but it will have to hang outside of the radio if it doesn't have this module bay.
The longest range i have been is 300 meters XD My quad sure can go up to 1km but i never dared go to the limit, at least not as a beginner. I can't wait to release the shackles with one of these LR modules.
Haha, yeah, experience sure has way of removing shackles! :) As well as better gear! :)
Hi, Thanks for the video, it's so helpfull ! It's amazing to see that system work with EU LBT,Just not understand where you done the "Magic" /What i do wrong? I tried using the same firmware but it simply don't want to Bind... So i try use the flex firmware and it does work! So i'm happy now i have at least something what actually working...But also know its not relally good/ right...So i try to find some way how to make it work "EU Legal" Any ideas?... Anyone? Thank you a lot! Bob
Hm... well... I haven't really had any issues with this system at all, so not sure where could be the problem people are experiencing! I am using stock antennas and some older firmware that I refuse to update! Is the receiver on a plane, or a copter?
@@ArxangelRC It's on Plane Mini Skyhunter, Using Taranis X9D with open TX 2.3.2 Nothing special stock components .I doing FPV couple years and i was happy with L9R but sometimes it go to failsafe because of distance so i want to try something which make me sure i have enough radio distance,even i not flying that far as you.So i get R9M. but i think i can use it because in the radio flex firmware is possible to set 868Mhz for EU -Not tested it yet so hope it gonna work... Fingers crossed-Sometime it's like loterry those things...
Hahaha, yeah... it is! If it works, go try for the lottery... you never know! ;) Flex can be set for 868Mhz, so I hope it does perform well!
If you use flex and set it to 868 and keep the power below your countries’ power limit it will be legal.
Hello guys. I am using the r9 m module on my taranis and my little drift has got the r9 mini receiver on it. On some days I can easily fly for 5 or more km range. But on some other days I get a way longer range. Maybe only 1 or 2 km. The plane turns itself into failsafe after it looses the connection. I am not that experienced and so I'm asking myself if somebody may have an idea why that might be. In your experience, are there some days with more bad interferences than others? Might humidity be a factor?
Thanks for your input. Looking forward to It.
What power output is that R9M set to? I am not sure humidity in the air can affect it so much, especially at such small distances!
@@ArxangelRC it is set to 200 mW. Should be sufficient for all the shenanigans I can think of.
I am very Thankful for your reply Mr. Arxangel, but I am afraid the super eight Atenna on the r9m module might have an connection issue. I have ordered another oneto swap that out.
Yeah, an antenna issue could be the cause, hope its that and not a faulty module!
@@ArxangelRC happy new year👌thanks a lot for your videos, your attitude, honesty, help and inspiration.
About 2 years ago I discovered your channel and since then I have built half a dozen of planes with f405, f405 wse, f765. Wouldn't have been possible without your 'work along' style setup videos.
I started learning with the zohd drift and my first arduplane is a volantex phoenix (can mount bigger prop than ranger, I like it slow, quiet, efficient). I remember very clearly how amazed I was. One day watching your video about the f405, straight up ordering a soldering station In the amazon, next day setting everything up accordingly (soldering worked easy for me, even though it was a first attempt. No problems soldering the pins. I learned the temperature matters the most) and finally the maiden flight. My yaw dropped so hard I couldn't believe it just worked. I used a foxeer trex and the sun was quite low already, so the slightly oversaturated picture of the trex just felt like instagram dreamland.
You sir create videos which allows people to enter into this hobby very easily. I had close to zero experience in building anything before this and now 2 years later I am so deep into the rabbit hole and can begin to fully appreciate and harness all the possibities there are and you opened to us and me personally.
Thanks a lot, keep flying forever
@@j7... Happy New Year! And thank you! Much appreciated! :) I am so glad to have helped you, and it makes me very happy to know your story! :)
Looking good!
Sure is! :)
I wish you ill compare r9m vs cross fire
Don't have Crossfire.
Can you Flash it to a non EU version? Talking about r9m and the rx the r9 slim mini and so on.
Yes, same hardware can operate both on 868Mhz and 915Mhz, just needs a different firmware.
Dont you have to swap the antennas?
Do you need to rebind receiver by changing output power from 25mW to 500mW?
Used to be like that when I last bound these two together... haven't updated since then, so I can't say for sure, but I think the new Flex firmware changes the output on the go automatically... but you need to have telemetry running for it to work properly I think! :)
ArxangelRC yes, I did try OpenTX 2.2.2. I did not rebind and change to 500mW. I also used Soectrum Analyzer to test the output power as well, it’s around -12dBm which is good enough to see the difference. Later I flew mini Talon for 5.4KM until VTX break down. The RSSI warning came about 4KM for like 1-2 seconds, and quickly regain RSSI.
I did not try 1W output since it begin to have low level noise generated from R9M module. The sounds make me uncomfortable, I decide to give up 1W and stay with 500mW.
500mW has been perfect for me for over 27km... Should work well. :)
Or can this hoock up to a specktrum dx7s?
Does that radio have a JR style module at the back?
You got functional FPV video at 25km with a 600mw 5.8ghz vtx?!
Yes, and I think it could go even further with the right antennas.
aren't these high -altitude flights dangerous?
Not really... at least not in this country! I am pretty much alone up there...
Whats that thing in the middle? What does that do and how do you install it?
What thing in the middle?
When you shown the r9 and r9m and this "unidentified object" in the middle.
That is the R9 Slim receiver, the label on it can be clearly seen in the video! :)
If thats the slim reciever, then whats that beside it. Not the module but that other thing?
On the right of it is the R9 receiver.
I sold the wire on P4 pad now on second end where to connect the second end of the cable on aomway vtx1000 or pixhawk
Which wire are we talking about?
@@ArxangelRC i am talking about analog RSSI wire solder on p4 point on Frsky R9 receiver
@@MrDroneinthesky Well other end goes into the flight controller... no point in it going to the Vtx!!
@@ArxangelRC ok thanks , but i have no idea where to put in flight controller pin, i have pixhawk
@@MrDroneinthesky Right next to the SBUS input!
the r9m might be legal but what about the vtx power?
Well... who's going to come and measure it? Especially around here...
@@ArxangelRC what power output is your vtx?
@@rizen3467 I think it was 1200mW for this flight, but who knows what the actual output is!
@@ArxangelRC do you know about how much range you can get out of 25mw with a patch and omni diversity antenna setup?
@@rizen3467 A while back I was doing some tests at that same location I am flying from in this video, and with some of the antennas I was able to get past the 5th km... perhaps it was even more if memory serves... at 25mW output on the Vtx! If you are in a rural environment with no outside interference and a good line of sight, some good antennas can take 25mW pretty far out!
Can you help me, i have R9M and R9slim+ reciever. When i set 25mw i can bind easy. When i set above it, 250 or 500mw i can’t bind. All is latest eu firmware installed. How can you adjust 500mw?
Hmmm... can't really say what the issue could be! I have been able to bind mine at any output power with the firmware version I have, and I haven't update to newer versions - if it works... why touch it?!?! In any case... this is not OK, have you tried moving the receiver further away from the radio? Could be at these higher power levels the receiver gets swamped from the radio and it can't bind properly!
Hi thanks for the reply. i tried to put the transmitter far away from the reciever to bind, but unfortunately it doesn´t work. Not in 200 and not in 500mW. i think maybe they restricted this with their latest firmware? can you tell me what firmware is on your module and reciever? or, if not, when did you buy it?
i try older firmware! and you are right, never change a running system.
Can't remember now which version I used, but it is at least 3 months old... try some of the older ones, but you will have to flash the receivers with the corresponding older firmware for them as well! :)
hello my friend how are you today ?
i have question, can my r9m repeater so the modul i put on the tripod thanks
I think something like this should be possible!
are you will try, i get info from my friend , r9m conect to ppm mode.
then qx7 bind to xsr to mode ppm
then xsr install to cppm on modul r9m
the result is qx7 just conect to xsr
(r9m modul +xsr be one ) with power bat 2S on tripod
i I have not tried
Yup, this sounds like it should work! I have been thinking about something like this myself, so I can put the module on the antenna tracker along with the Vrx, to get the best signal possible to the airplane!
yes go go go...
and make the tutorial r9m hehe
i will wait
Hahaha... well not yet! I am waiting on something... hoping it will be here by the end of next month... but we will see! Not planning on making it yet, only thinking about it! :)
VERY AMAZING!!!!!!!!!
Yes, it is! :)
Does R9 receiver output an rssi over sbus?
Not sure the R9 does... but the R9 MM and Mini do... and perhaps the Slim too!
yes...i use the sbus port for rssi
Dude please help me I cant get my system to work ...
What is the problem?
What motors are installed on this plane?
In the video description there is a link to my blog, in the parts list there you will see them - some 580Kv ones.
Thank you! I have been searching the internet for over half a year now, but the only good quality low KV brushless motors I could find were from Sunnysky. Unfortunately they are expensive and can only be ordered from China or the US. The Racestar motors seem like a good solution as I want to build a motor glider with long flight times. What is your experience with them or can you recommend any other motors?
Weeeeell, the price of the SunnySkys is justified... they are good quality. T-motor is another good motor, but even more expensive. Racerstars are OK, but their bearings are not very good... need lubricating or possibly replacing after very little use... which really makes the SunnySkys not that expensive! Usually the higher the prop, and the lower Kv the motor, the better the flight time, even on a fixed wing! :)
I think I will stick with the Sunnyskys then :-D
Good choice! :)
How is the ZOHD Nano Talon as a first plane? Or maybe the X-UAV Mini Talon(Don't know if you've tried this).
I wouldn't get the Mini Talon for a first plane... dodgy take offs, fast landings... :) The Nano Talon is a better option... although the XK A1200 is a much better option for beginners! :)
@@ArxangelRC Hm.. My issue is just, I'm not looking to get plane after plane after plane etc. I just want a single plane that'll fly stable for some HD video(probably runcam split), and will let me fly for long, so I can fly far / high. Nano Talon seems to be able to fly far, but from what I've seen its not the most stable plane.
Edit: I've also looked at the zohd orbit, but I'd imagine it has the same stability issues as the talon
Actually the Orbit shouldn't have roll issues, but flying wings to suffer from YAW movements during flight! ZOHD will be releasing a Dart XL end of this month... and I think it will be VERY good!
@@ArxangelRC I see. On the banggood page, the dart xl is quite expensive though, €174.. Don't know if I can justify that much for less yaw twitch :P Or is it not the final price?
I think the pre-order will be around 170 USD, final price after the pre-order will be 200 USD. This is with electronics, etc.! According to ZOHD... a lot of serious engineering has gone into this plane... they are quite confident... and if that is true... which I believe it could be... that just might be worth the money to have a properly designed plane at last! :D
Outstanding, not surprising though with 500mw of RF output...Im guessing having a 5.8G video link helped.
Are you sure the EU LBT rule is 500mw..?.....I would have thought 10mw is more like the legal limit knowing those meddling idiots..?
Hahahaha, no idea what the max allowed output is at that frequency... but there has to be a reason why the EU version has been castrated like this! 5.8Ghz is a great frequency... doesn't interfere with anything else...
I think if you investigate, you are not allowed to run your TX above 10 mw....maximum RF output. If you are using a Horus Transmitter, it has RF power pre-sets, starting at 10 mw for folk like you in the EU...!!!!
5.8G is a great video frequency, if you like flying distance on the edge of space....lol.
Dragon Link receivers are not as resistant to 1.2G Video as the EZUHF system. The DL Transmitters are also known to be dirty sideband generators and also affect 1.2G Video receivers if they are too close.
EnglishTurbines I am pretty sure it’s 25mW, you can put the CorssFire Tx in CE mode and I think that limited it to 25mW max power (so it jumps from 10mW to 25mW when needed)
Well... 25mW isn't going to get us anywhere... so a good job they included that 500mW option... but while they are at it... might as well give us the same functionality as the FCC one... could be without telemetry... don't care about that anyway! :D
I actually am using the international firmware on my Taranis and 2.4Ghz receivers. That EU firmware for those is no good in my eyes!
Well, TBS claims they get 20km out of 10mW of output power with their CrossFire system... but do we believe them that they were operating "EU legal" :)... ua-cam.com/video/q2XiUfZUBhE/v-deo.html
Hey it's me help me my x8r it works fine but sometimes I got critical signal issue and it sucks I tried everything but nothing worked please buddy help me with it
What do you mean "critical signal issue"?
@@ArxangelRC my transmitter gives this warning like I am not able fly more that 10 Mtrs
@@amritafagna130 Have you tried moving away more than 10 meters?
@@ArxangelRC yes same issue
@@amritafagna130 But does it actually lose the link?
Are there no planes flying in your country? That's unusual!
There are... all are 10kms high! As for ultralights with 1-2 seats... so rare, its embarrassing! And even fewer where we usually fly! They mostly fly to the North of our location to the Rila mountain, which is an awesome place to fly around... might do it someday! If I stay close to the mountain I should be well away from any air traffic!
ArxangelRC thaks for clearing my doubts
In any case... our planes are so small... and so few... chances of running into anything up there even with more traffic in such a vast space.... it is minuscule! The chance of somebody running into a drone at low altitude is much higher than at 2kms high!
ArxangelRC I agree , but still , you never know..
Have you heard the rants from xjet?
I watch them occasionally, but Bruce is right as well... ultralight guys need to tone it down and admit that they are not the sole proprietors of the skies anymore!
What about crossfire? :)
What about it? I don't have that system!
Any intentions on getting into it? Or let me rephrase... are you interested in it? ;)
Many people have a crossfire, its a good/proven system.. This one is way cheaper, is supported by FrSKY and doesn't need a PC based program to run updates. I appreciate this video and would like to see more people having success/reviewing this as it's a lower cost option and has insane range.
is it that much cheaper? With "high key" quad races requiring to use crossfire it became a no-brainer for those but with "LongRange" it's still not that common like Dragon Link or EzUHF (is that still a thing lol? :D)... what I am curious now... you say "doesn't need a PC based program to run updates", how does FrSky solves that "problem"? I mean the CorssFire Tx can flash over the air the receivers which I already did and love, but true, you still need a PC to update the FW on the Tx module, does FrSky offer you to just "drop it on the Taranis SD card" to update Tx and Rx?
It's $75 for the R9M+R9 Slim.. 1/2 the cost of a crossfire micro bundle and 10 times the output power. Since the R9M can output 1W it's more comparable with the big $210 full-size crossfire. As you said.. updates are done by dropping the files on the Taranis SD card.
hello dear.
can you please give me the stl file for the antenna holder?
best regards
Mohammed imran.
Hi, drop me a message on Facebook and will send you the files.
@@ArxangelRC pm done on Facebook.
:)
Nice flight and footage like 62
Thanks! :)
Dude, do you even breath when talking???
I try not to... got gills for that! :D Hahaha
haha :) nice video and explanation as always though :) keep it up :)
Thanks, will do! :)
...breath...breath...breath...
Breathing is overrated! :P
wow .. u talk non stop!
Yeah... time goes by quicker this way! :)
My mum has the same hat.
Nice, seems like she has good taste! :)
ArxangelRC She was once voted the smartest dressed lady in Sunny View retirement home.
I'll take that as a compliment then! :)
dont forget the Curvature of the Earth ( if it has any ) as 25 Km is over 126 ft of curve or are you about to prove Earth is Flat ? ?
Hahaha, don't worry... I am not one of those guys... I am certain it would be difficult to prove that it is flat! :)
ArxangelRC look into long rang landscape photography the world record is 240 miles witch on our Globe of 25'000 miles in circumference would be over 37'000 Ft 7.25 Miles behind the curve of the Earth impossible on a ball only on a flat plane can that be achieved ...food for thought...
Brian Mabbett Your kidding right? I always assume people watching videos like this would have some sort of intelligence.....
tomar5e115 DON'T SHOOT THE MESSENGER....Check it out for yourself...
Hahahahaha... you have to keep an open mind at least a little bit! :D
This is total crap I’m gonna use crossfire anyway I hope frsky goes out of business
Total crap based on what evidence? In my experience and testing it has been pretty solid!
Do bad you can’t link to satellites to carry your signal😂
Actually you can... but it costs A LOT!
Yea that’s what the US army does to fly there UAV s around the world. But they’ve got millions to fund there projects
Exactly! You don't need millions... but a few thousand or tens of thousands of $ would be required... and at this time that is seriously out of my budget! :D
Well I hope you get enough through youtube and your patreon account. That would be a very interesting video👍 by the way you should subscribe to me😉
Just did! I hope I get enough... but somehow I doubt it! In any case... it would be AWESOME!!!
Firsssttt!! Now let me watch the video ;p
Haha
Hello, do you think that I can use tbs immortal antenna with my r9 mini receiver?
If its on the same frequency it should be compatible... just have to solder it on if the connectors don't match.
I ordered the akk 1200 but just get 800...same with you?
Meaning? You have measured 800mW output?
@@ArxangelRC using smartaudio, l only get 25, 100, 200, 500 and 800
Are you sure you have the correct model? If you bought the US version... it is capped at some lower output for legal purposes.
This: 25mW/200mW/600mW/1200mW
banggood.app.link/kc3L7nMqAV
@@ArxangelRC l get 3 of this, and all the same...😭😭
What antenna did you use on the module?
Stock one!