I’m turning 70 this year and I’m going to reward myself with a new, smaller bike. I’ve been riding an Electraglide for 20 years, and a Sportster 1200 and my 1986 BMW R80RT. I want a bike that will take me into my 80s and the Tiger 660 is on the short list. As is the Kawi 650. Thanks for the reviews.😎
I have the Kawa versus 650, if this one was available when I bought it I would have chosen the Triumph. But with the new restyling I would have a lot of doubts which one to choose, as I'm very happy with my versys... I prefer japanese bikes for reliability, but the cruise control... Anyway both are a sure choice
I've had a couple kawasaki 650 twins (one was a 2009 versys 650). I've heard the engine mounting was updated in 2012. 2009 was buzzy at higher rpm. Hands and crotch numbing over time. About the only complaint about that bike. Not much experience with triumph, but I love a triple. Not sure if you've looked at, or considered, a tracer 900. I've got an xsr 900, and love it. Flickable, comfortable, amazing engine, and 48-50 mpg. The Suzuki vstrom 650 is an amazing bike. Smooth, torquey, very comfortable. Props on staying young.
I *REALLY* appreciate you calling out RPM numbers and comfort at highway speeds - that’s a number/spec/thing that most reviews and websites miss. They just kind of say “it can go X mph” and that doesnt describe how much of a struggle or relaxing time that may be.
Agreed 👍. He always takes the time to get to know his product and presents the detail often missing from most others. That low 1st gear isn't really appropriate for the use for this bike as it's unlikely to be ridden off road. But I do wish manufacturers wouldn't insist on the "trail bike" style when adapting every sports bike for touring. A few years ago a "sport touring" motorcycle was based on the naked model but with fairing, higher bars and riding position without automatically resorting to the tall, adventure styling every time.
I always find it kind of funny that the wheelie section, is right after the off road section. So the tires are then covered with dirt/mud. Just shows how good a rider Zack is.
Let’s get something straight pulling a dangerous wheelie is not skill it’s stupid and illegal , He should not be encouraging young inexperienced riders to do such things .
Very true I have personally ridden the Tiger 800 XCX New tiger 900 Rally Street Triple Scrambler 900 2021 They sure know how to do a perfect Mix and never disappoint on ride comfort, brakes and suspension with a well tuned engine
Zack, one thing it would be nice to add for daily rider info -- headlight quality. Many of us do our commuting in the dark, and some of us ride in less urban areas without street lights. Lighting is one of those features that people tend to overlook when making buying decisions. The stock lighting on my bike was marginal. It required big upgrades to allow for safe rural night riding.
I second this! Sometimes i commute both ways in the dark in some rural parts where deer and hogs can run onto the road, so headlights are important. I know they can be upgraded, but it's nice to know if your gonna have to.
I feel like, especially for a commuter/daily rider bike, when everything else is equal, reliability tips the scales. It sounds like a dead heat between the Versys 650 and Tiger Sport 660, but I would trust the Kawi more day after day. My dad used to say, “you will love a Land Rover, but you will trust a Toyota.” I feel like that’s analogous here.
My Buddy and I have taken coast to coast bike trips, me on my R1200GS & ElectraGlide, he on his Rocket 3. No issues coast w any of em. I have been pleasantly surprised by how reliable his big Triumph has been.
@@johnasbury9915 I don’t doubt that Triumphs can be reliable, (just like a Land Rover) but I know I would stress less about a Kawasaki. There are good bikes and bad bikes, but on the whole parts and service are easier to come by for Kawasakis than Triumphs.
@@johnasbury9915 I don't know that the reliability of the Rocket 3 would necessarily translate down the range. I haven't heard anything bad about Triumph in general though, aside from the comparative lack of dealers/service centers. The early 675s were known to be oil burners, but I understand that's no longer the case. I still see plenty of the older Street Triple and Daytonas getting around, so I think the basic platform was good and should be quite refined by now.
parts can be iffy when it’s time, but i rode the absolute snot out of my street triple r. Only issue i had was a bad fuel pump at 12500k miles. thing was solid.
Zack is a master at ride reviews: a poet, a humorist, a philosopher and, of course, an expert motorcyclist. I'm so impressed with Triumph in general and with this quality machine. So many motorcycles to choose from.... Hmm....
I always chuckle when people ask what is the best this and that. What looks the best, etc. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Purchases are specific emotional processes. Purchase things you perceive as best. Truthfully most products are dependable and reliable. It’s nice to be educated about a product before purchasing. Your smartphone answers all the questions vs 10 year old library references in years past.
This bike reminds me of my Yamaha fz6r that I had for 4 years and made 55k miles on all types of roads, and LD touring. However... I've always wanted a bit more power. Finally bought an fz6 instead. Liked it, but never loved it as much. Same with the fz1. Moral: if you love it - enjoy it. And know that nothing is perfect.
Excellent choice. Good for all types of riders form beginners to the experience riders. Unlike fz6 and fz1, it has more usable torque down low. I even put a +1 tooth front sprocket and it still had an excellent pull 2up yet better gear ratios. Enjoy it!
@@FxRiderST The more torque comparison is deceptive. If you lay over both HP and torque charts, the non R doesn't give up that much and rewards the rider with 30 more hp at 12,500. The FZ6 gets you an aluminum frame, center stand, real wind protection and monoblock calipers. But then again I'm 64. If you're 24, and in love with the Rockstar Energy stars on it and faux R6 look, than the FZ6R is your ride. Don't even bother to race. 11.3 vs. 12.3 in the quarter. At 120 mph trap speed thats dozens of bike lengths.
I’m excited to ride this bike. The fact all the reviews I’ve seen so far all seem to come to the same conclusion. It’s definitely a solid platform for light touring, although not the best, but it is a great bike for what it is.
I sold my Street triple R for lack of comfort and I could not control myself on it. Bought a versys 650 and sold it because of the poor build quality... Now triumph makes the perfect bike...
Just bought a Versys X 300 this year. Yeah, steel frame, conventional forks, wooden brakes...I could complain, but brand new leftover deal at $4,999 won me over. Arguably the best looking Versys and the only one with a 19 front. Lots of dirt roads around here. Can hang with a fast rider on his Husky 501 Supermoto and once on pavement, disappear. Tooth up on the counter and it does a real ton.
Brilliant review, thanks! I was test riding a lot of top-end bikes recently and took the Tiger 660 out just for a bit of fun, with absolutely no intention of buying one whatsoever…… But I brought one immediately. I’ve owned two GS’s, a GSA, S1000XR and a Pan America in since 2016 and it took me only about a quarter of a mile of riding to decide I prefer the Tiger!
I trust Zack's reviews 100%. Based on this one, I decided to put down a deposit on the Tiger Sport 660! Should be arriving in Vancouver, BC late Feb. I love triples, and can't wait to join the Triumph family!
Zack your reviews are awesome! I’m trying to decide between the Versy’s 650 and Triumph 660, now I know what I want! Triumph 660!!! Thank you Zack!! 🙏🏻
I have a 2017 V650, it’s perfect…because I’m 6’3” and 210 lbs. it looks and feels as big as most liter adventure touring bikes. So if if you are shopping, and you don’t want to swallow up a diminutive bike when you mount your bike, it’s the V650 for the win in my opinion…to borrow his metaphor, no clouds in my sky!
Yep, Triumph makes some pretty darn fine bikes these days. I think that’s attributed to the fact that they’re not a publicly traded company, and one man (Nick Bloor) gets to make the final decisions, and he’s pretty good at those decisions! I first purchased a Trophy SE in 2013, probably the best kept secret in touring bikes, then a Tiger 900 Rally Pro. Those bikes are 1000% different from each other, but both great at what they do. When browsing new bikes at multi-line dealers, I always gravitate towards the Triumph section. And of every new bike out there, the bike at the top of the ‘bikes I want’ list is a Rocket 3. Unfortunately, it’s also at the bottom of the ‘bikes I need’ list…. Oh well. Great review Zack!
I just remembered this video and Z’s comments about gearing. I have one and installed a 17t from sprocket, makes it much calmer on the highway and makes 2,3,4 more fun.
@yassinezaghloul4184 i still have the triumph and I love it! I would say the only con is that the triumph dealer in my area has a higher hourly rate than other places so maintenence is slightly higher, but that may be regional.
I was going back and forth between the Versys 650 and the Tiger 660 for a while, chose the tiger for the simple reason that I cannot find a Versys near me that the dealers arent price gouging. I got the Tiger for MSRP. No regrets.
Living in Europe, another competitor to the Tiger 660 is the Tracer 700, I would like to here Zach's comparison between the tracer 700, Tiger 660 and Versys 650
I tossed this around in my head since I "need" a new grab and go bike, ended up ordering a 2022 Versys 650 LT instead. It was close to a flip of a coin, but the Kawasaki is slightly less basic with the details other than the engine. Both are built to a price point and it is obvious the Versys was Triumph's target and they accomplished that assembly with slightly differing priorities. I await your eventual Daily Rider review of the 2022 Versys 650, hopefully an LT. (-:
Previous MY were a bit disappointed. The dash that used until 2020 was straight from 2000's. Now with TC and a TFT panel it's much more appealing. Engine still rocks it. I guess the main reason for the triumph (and a legit one) would the the engine. Great bike choice though, congratz!
Life is too short for budget suspension. Wanted a 650 -to- 900 sport touring rig that could handle 2UP + hard-bags. Had to step up to a (used) Multistrada 1200S to get decent suspension. Less $$ ($7200) same weight 2X power and Öhlins. Hate that smaller bikes always get crap suspension.
I’ve just realised that the much admired Yamaha Tracer 7 GT is not available in the US. That seems a real pity. It has a lot more pizazz than the Versys 650 and would certainly at least match the Triumph in the fun factor. That CP2 engine is a gem!
I would get the Tracer 7GT if it was available, but I see Yamaha's reasoning. It probably isn't worth the cost of bringing it over. I can count the number of Versys (650 + 1k) I have seen in person on one hand, including mine and 2 at the dealer. I think I saw one on a trip and once in a parking lot once.
Great review Zack! One thing that you mention sometimes, but I didn't catch here, is the option for a center stand. I'm guessing not with the underslung exhaust, but I think it is always good to mention when reviewing the more practical/commuter oriented bikes. Thanks!
A triple is smoother and sounds better and has more character than a vertical twin. I would choose the 660 over the Versys on that advantage alone. As a verified gearhead, the choice is simple, get the Triumph!
Looks and reminds me of my old Yamaha Fz6. Specs are very similar, my old Fz6 was Dyno'd at 98hp after some mods but it got 56-65 mpg depending on how I rode it. It was a killer long distance bike that was super comfortable and quite sporty. Cheers 🥂
Yep, to this day, the FZ6 (mine's a bought new '09) punches way above its weight. In Raven, the graphic saying what it is is so stealth. Friends insist it's a litre bike. I went up a tooth on the countershaft and it's FASTER. Out pulls a buddy's '02 R6 everywhere. Even the MT10 is a toy compared. The Ten has no wind protection, no center stand (nor does this Triumph), crap passenger seating. Rear wheel stock it's still 92 hp. Hondog 650? 78; S(loppy)V(agina) 650? 59; etc. I carouse looking for an Aprillia 660 to embarrass. R7? You gotta be kidding!
I have a 2020 Versys 650 and love it too. The Tiger is interesting. I poked around and among Tiger owners there’s a universal dislike for the seat and optional comfort seat. And there isn’t much if any options in the aftermarket for seats, and limited options for screens, protection and comfort. Also some comments about vibrations at the instrument panel and handlebars. But there also appears to be a universal love for the 660 among its owners.
(Things it does worse than a Verses: Give you confidence it will do 80,000+ miles without major mechanical issues.) It seems like an amazing commuter/tourer however. Enough poke for overtakes on a freeway. Light enough to manhandle if necessary. The right 'amount' of bike for the broadest range of touring situations. Sometimes bikes fall over, sometimes you break a chain and have to push a bit. If you ride alone consider the weight of your bikes carefully imho.
Buddy totally spent a Triumph 800 with relentless flogging. Mud, dirt, rain, hammering back roads. I think it made it to mid sixties in milage. Did manage to sell it.
copy pasta from other comment. This is the most obvious answer. One is a Japanese bike, the other is an English bike. No-brainer which one is more reliable. Also, when a person says a European bike has more 'character' or whatever it means, the automatic next comment should be it's less reliable than its Japanese counterpart. Zach said the first line, but didn't say the second part. Zach, love your reviews, but you have to be more honest with viewers. And people in the comment section saying how their triumph never gave them any problem. Yeah that's probably true, but anecdotal evidence doesn't equal real evidence. Reliability data speaks for itself.
Have always loved Triumph bikes. The triple motors alone is worth owning. I own a 02 Daytona 955i with 55,000kms and still runs good. Another great review.
I'm currently torn between these two bikes as my new commuter vehicle, so I've been scraping for differences between the two. I don't see it in here, so I'll add this big difference between the Versys 650 and the Tiger Sport 660: The Versys fork is adjustable in pre-load and rebound damping. There you go! That's your third thing the Kawi does better than the Triumph. You mentioned that the Tiger's fork and suspension felt a bit budget and you couldn't dial it in... the Kawi has an answer for that. Triumph: engine and fueling is better. Kawi: Suspension, comfort, and range are better. Oh, and with the handguards, the two are only USD$5 apart (in favor of the Versys).
Also, the Kawi fueling can be fixed easily via the aftermarket. ECU tunes (not fake power commander hacking) are available for the Versys that completely smooth out the fueling.
Hey, great review. I just got one issue; the rear brake gets hot, caliper and the rotor after normal riding. I’m a very experienced rider and don’t depend on the rear brake for high speed stopping. Rear brake mainly used for slow speed control and feather into turns when trail breaking with mostly the front. I’m not covering or leaning on the rear brake at all. Funny, after aggressive riding the front brakes are cool but the rear is always hot, even when purposely not used. The dealer said they couldn’t find any issues and have to ask Triumph to go further in the analysis. I think it’s in the master cylinder relief port. What’s your opinion and do you think it’s normal? Thank so much.
Great comparison and awesome review Zack. Thanks for putting this one early in the year as it was one of my recommendations. Have always loved Triumph and it's good to see a new engine (especially a triple) come out of their stable. The 650 lump is getting long on the tooth for Kawasaki. Yes it is reliable, but with the 650 being used on so many of their models, whatever the model, it always seems to feel the same regardless. I Love the triple's linear power curve and sound. In comparison, the 650 always sounds anemic.
this is more like tracer 7, not sure why people try to compare it with tracer 9. the latter one would be a quite a significant upgrade to it tbh. good bike to play in the versys650, tracer7, v-strom650 league. very good review as always, Zack!
Nice review, as always. I appreciate your comments on the physical size as some of us are on the smaller side - 5'7" here. I am hopeful that you get to review the slightly revised 2022 CB500X as well. I am excited about that bike based on its weight, versatility, price and function.
Its very crap and shyt those new 500 cbr series... cheap parts and all. But its great and reliable. Just low asf quality as i had the 2013 cbr500r and the other version's cb500x cbr500f etc.. its basically the same bike and parts lol
Just FYI, with the Trident I acheived 67MPG/3.5L/100km on a full tank (on a roadtrip), so it's an engine that can do fuel efficiency. Then again, it tends to sing pretty well so it's tempting to open up more often.
Any techniques that you recommend to get that MPG? Glad to hear you had it in the 60s.. a lot of people have been trashing the fuel economy in reviews that I've seen.
@@willpopemusic Well, the gearbox is too short to get really good fuel economy past 50, and it starts to really go down past 65-70. But there's no secret or anything like that, with any bike, or motor vehicle for that matter: don't go crazy on acceleration, use the engine brake to slow down as much as possible, don't ride at high RPM, make sure your tires are inflated enough. There is no secret really, it's all well known.
Great review as always. It would be great if Daily Rider could think of a way to incorporate a comparison with "Battle Toad" and "Dave." Maybe Dave for the sport bikes and Battle Toad for the more standard street bikes.
Counterpoint regarding overall size: the versys feels super composed as an interstate commuter despite it's relatively low displacement. I get the impression that the 660 would feel a bit more flighty in that 70-85 mph range.
I’ve been planning to buy this bike for a transcontinental trip, but I knew I had to wait until the daily rider came out to make up my mind. Thank you!
@@unclejj509 My only concern is the possibility of the handlebars being too buzzy for a long trip (have experienced this on triumphs before), so I’m going to test ride it first. Otherwise, I have no reservations and I am planning to buy one. I may change the gearing on it as well to help mitigate the issue
@@ShrewdFanfare I think this bike is cool (I'm a Triumph fan) I'm also looking at the Tiger 850 sport. Demo models are coming available now. There's one at the JAX dealership for like $9,500 with like 12 miles!
Bearing in mind that the Versys is older by quite a lot that is still well done from Triumph. I`m a Kawa fan so my choice would be the Versys but that Triumph ticks all the boxes in the right way. Good review!
Hey Zach, I love the work you do! You have reviewed some version of every bike in my garage, and I can't really argue with your rankings (well, maybe a little). Full disclosure, I am a Versys 650 fanboi, having owned 3, and currently owning 2, and having run up more than 140K miles on them. I sat on one of these 660 Tigers yesterday, and it feels like the natural successor to the Versys, maintaining the Versys' virtues like confidence inspiring handling, flexibility, comfort, and frugality, while improving on its greatest weakness, power for quick overtakes. So thanks for posting this! The only nit I'm going to pick with you is around gearing. The last bike that I owned that I thought would benefit from taller gearing was my 1979 XS650. With modern bikes, if I make a change, it's to make the gearing shorter.
To fallow up with comparison the Tracer 900 GT. After taking delivery of my 2019 Tracer 900 GT here in SE Asia I asked where are my panniers. They had no idea about what I was talking about. Even after contacting Yamaha main office in Bangkok, they ignored my concerns. Come to find out the panniers are not available outside of America. I had to spend an additional $1,800 for them (with shipping and very high taxes). And another $2,000 to replace the fake suspension. And many other upgrades to make the bike safe to ride. Triumph is a superior quality bike.
Really good review Zack. My bros are are totally digging the 660 sport. I just wish it came with cruise control and center stand. That would make it a clear winner imo
I'd rather get the Versys. I'm older and with the cagers it here bigger is better. It gets more range. The Versys is basically fully faired. Taller suspension. Softer ride. I'm picking up a brand new 2021 for $7,600 tomorrow. ECU re-map is $230 and it works. I own a 2020 Ninja 650 KRT and mapped that one. It's flawless.
Such a talent Zack ....the daily rider is such a useful consistent, fun , informative and useful series all made by your presentation style and straightforward views ..or to paraphrase you ...."I do learn something , i do have fun , and you will see me next time :)) , Keep knocking them out of the park Zack
V Strom 650 XT Touring though? It's slightly less good as a highway bike than the Versys 650, but otherwise I find it to be just a bit better and more fun in most situations. I would love to see your opinion on it eventually.
Great video, I couldn't wait for the 660, so I went with a 2022 Tiger Sport 850. I live in an area with fast roads, impatient semi trucks and it was suggested I get the 850....glad I did. I'm a new rider but I'm very comfortable on the 850, not to mention the lightweight feel as I ride in "rain" mode until I get more comfortable. Love Triumph!
Hands down my favorite videos to watch. Keep them coming! Also good research for my work. I don't get the chance to ride every bike but I sell parts for them. Your reviews are as if I got a chance to get out and experience the bike first hand. Helps engage with customers.
Hey mate. Just want to say i really find your simple quick test rides quite informative for a person looking to buy their first bike. Keep up the interesting short videos.
Fantastic review as always 👍 I'm test riding one of these next week. I was kinda set on an MT09 to replace my GSXS but love the look of these and I'm not bothered by the drop in power as 80-100 is perfect I think for fun and commuting 😉👍
I would put the Honda NC750X and the BMW F750GS in the same category as well. Would be awesome if you can review the BMW when possible. Thanks a lot for the great videos :) Have a good one!
As an owner of a 2016 Versys 650 LT I have to admit there are things I like about this Triumph but the sum of these things are not enough to make me want to sell my Versys. The Versys is heavier but holds an addition gallon of gas. The Versys has an aluminum swing arm and adjustable front suspension. I like the Triumph triple 660cc engine and the bump in HP but again not enough to make me want to change. In my opinion the Triumph looks so much like the Kawasaki I'm surprised there aren't legal issues. All said I'm glad Triumph made this bike but it falls short of being a must have.
If it had Triumph's new T-plane crank I'd agree, but it doesn't. The Kawi 180 degree P-twin doesn't sound as good as the modern 270 P-twins, but I still prefer it to an even fire triple. It has more character and enough power to still be fun.
I booked this bike but I had lot of questions that I did a right choice but you answered all of my questions.Thankyou. And your review so good and fun 🤩 and the best.
A better-looking and better-sounding bike than a Versys, IMO. Overall, I don't think of any of these 6XX class bikes as "sports tourers". No cruise control = Not a sports tourer. Not in my book anyway. Daily rider, sure. Tourer? Negative.
Nice bike, but no cruise control on a bike marketed as a mid-sized tourer seems to be a design mistake. You failed to mention that this is not even an option on this bike. Long daily commutes means that Triumph cheaped out a bit too much.
In the end, I think it's down to taste between the Tiger 660 and the Versys 650. Me? I'd go for the Versys. Japanese reliability, four more litres in the tank, and being bigger and heavier is better to me. Thanks for yet another excellent video, Zack!
@@chrishart8548 I like the look of the older one as well. I think it might be worthwhile to change the subframe from the old one to the new one, but there's so much good stuff with the IMU and the bigger displacement on the new one that just gets me excited. I would get an older version if I could find one that wasn't just $2,000 less than a brand brand new one. That blue and gold is just gorgeous.
I've got a 2012 Versys and bought it back then new...had Triumph had this bike at the time I would have definitely got it...I was seriously looking at a Bonneville in 2012..and got the Versys because was a much sportier bike than the Bonneville at the time....Versys has been great over these years..but I recently got 2012 BMW R1200R Classic..yeah baby...
Had the original ‘09 Versys and got rid of it back in ‘16 for a Yamaha FJ-09. The Versys lacked power and, while it was a “reliable” machine, it sounded like an overgrown sewing machine. No personality, atleast for me. The Fj is nice but the fueling sucks, very notchy throttle which makes it very hard to ride smooth. Almost went back to the Versys but the local dealer won’t have one until 2023. Just put deposit on red Tiger 660 after a quick ride, looking forward to a smoother throttle and a smaller bike. Don’t commute anymore so it’s all pleasure riding.
Great review. I traded my street triple for the trident. Trident was a great bike but lacked the elements protection I realized I wanted. I now own the Lucerne blue tiger sport 660. Pick it up in 3 days :)
I do think it's a decent bike. The engine has great character and Triumph does fueling very good. I think it needs a bit more refinement to get into it's identity as a "sports tourer" like CC, longer gearing (local highway cruising is at 80mph so it would get very viby based on your experience), a better windscreen. I also find the dash a bit lacking (but I don't like the Trident dash either). Most of these can be overcome with aftermarket but that's more money to spend. Right now it feels like it leans more to the sports riding then the touring and at that level I would just get the Trident because it has the fueling and character being even lighter/sportier and if you add some bags and a nice screen you'd still go under the price of this one. If I wanted a medium-sized sports tourer right now, I do think I would still take a second-hand versys650LT. Thanks for the riding review Zack.
Triumph seems to have dialed in their features and prices better than anyone. Their catalog is packed with upgrades or go a few rungs up the family line to the Tiger 900. I agree that this is a Trident in new clothes, but that's probably enough for a coffee run crowd. Got to have the Triumph brand to flaunt their European sophistication and touring bike style to show that they are adventurous.
It's honestly a pretty good commuter bike with not too much power for constant city riding but enough power to boogy along highways like yamahas CP2(since we don't get Tracer 700 in U.S.). Looks sharp compared to Hondas ugly NCX750.
Great review as always! I'm interested in this bike. For me, one disappointment...I thought this bike was going to have more off road capability as to compete with the T7, Toureg, etc. I think they have a good platform for this and hope they come out with something like this. Both this and the Trident as good looking bikes. Triumph knows how to do things in the style department.
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It really does look like a ninja 650 why did I not notice that i think it looks better tho just my opinion.
I’m turning 70 this year and I’m going to reward myself with a new, smaller bike. I’ve been riding an Electraglide for 20 years, and a Sportster 1200 and my 1986 BMW R80RT. I want a bike that will take me into my 80s and the Tiger 660 is on the short list. As is the Kawi 650. Thanks for the reviews.😎
This is what I am aspiring to! I just want to know what bike you will be getting for your 90s!
I have a 2017 Z650 and it’s my first bike but I love it so much
I have the Kawa versus 650, if this one was available when I bought it I would have chosen the Triumph. But with the new restyling I would have a lot of doubts which one to choose, as I'm very happy with my versys... I prefer japanese bikes for reliability, but the cruise control... Anyway both are a sure choice
Twenty years ago I celebrated my 50th birthday with a new V-Strom 1000.
I'm still loving it.
I've had a couple kawasaki 650 twins (one was a 2009 versys 650). I've heard the engine mounting was updated in 2012. 2009 was buzzy at higher rpm. Hands and crotch numbing over time. About the only complaint about that bike.
Not much experience with triumph, but I love a triple. Not sure if you've looked at, or considered, a tracer 900. I've got an xsr 900, and love it. Flickable, comfortable, amazing engine, and 48-50 mpg.
The Suzuki vstrom 650 is an amazing bike. Smooth, torquey, very comfortable.
Props on staying young.
I *REALLY* appreciate you calling out RPM numbers and comfort at highway speeds - that’s a number/spec/thing that most reviews and websites miss. They just kind of say “it can go X mph” and that doesnt describe how much of a struggle or relaxing time that may be.
Hats off to Zack, these are the best motorcycle reviews I've ever seen.
Daily Rider never disappoints.
Agreed 👍. He always takes the time to get to know his product and presents the detail often missing from most others. That low 1st gear isn't really appropriate for the use for this bike as it's unlikely to be ridden off road. But I do wish manufacturers wouldn't insist on the "trail bike" style when adapting every sports bike for touring. A few years ago a "sport touring" motorcycle was based on the naked model but with fairing, higher bars and riding position without automatically resorting to the tall, adventure styling every time.
I love Zack's knowledge of bikes, but I also appreciate his bubby personality and sense of humor. This makes him by far my favorite bike reviewer!
Zack is awesome. Attend the get on fest next year. And ride w him.
I always find it kind of funny that the wheelie section, is right after the off road section. So the tires are then covered with dirt/mud. Just shows how good a rider Zack is.
I've often wondered about that also!
No way I'm rippin a dank nooner with slimey mud all over my tires! LOL
I watched his review for the first time. I didn't expect it. My eyes got bigger :) at 20:40 and 21:53
...and it's the laugh after the wheelie that gets me 🤣 haha goooood fun indeed Zack
Let’s get something straight pulling a dangerous wheelie is not skill it’s stupid and illegal , He should not be encouraging young inexperienced riders to do such things .
@@MsDenver2 it can be all three of these things you know
I will now be making purchasing decisions based solely on Zack’s weather-based analogies.
Mate... It's a sewing machine 🤦😂
Have to hand it to Triumph. All their bikes handle great. Even their cruisers feel like the can turn and be happy about it.
Very true
I have personally ridden the
Tiger 800 XCX
New tiger 900 Rally
Street Triple
Scrambler 900 2021
They sure know how to do a perfect Mix and never disappoint on ride comfort, brakes and suspension with a well tuned engine
Yeah , I owned a tiger 1200. Very heavy bike to man handle around but once rolling, the weight disappears like magic.
Zack, one thing it would be nice to add for daily rider info -- headlight quality. Many of us do our commuting in the dark, and some of us ride in less urban areas without street lights. Lighting is one of those features that people tend to overlook when making buying decisions. The stock lighting on my bike was marginal. It required big upgrades to allow for safe rural night riding.
I second this! Sometimes i commute both ways in the dark in some rural parts where deer and hogs can run onto the road, so headlights are important. I know they can be upgraded, but it's nice to know if your gonna have to.
Thirded!
Always want more lights. I can never see those potholes soon enough...
I feel like, especially for a commuter/daily rider bike, when everything else is equal, reliability tips the scales. It sounds like a dead heat between the Versys 650 and Tiger Sport 660, but I would trust the Kawi more day after day. My dad used to say, “you will love a Land Rover, but you will trust a Toyota.” I feel like that’s analogous here.
I have a Versys 650 - can confirm. I have even taken it on some fairly technical adventure rides (only other bikes on the trail were dirt bikes).
My Buddy and I have taken coast to coast bike trips, me on my R1200GS & ElectraGlide, he on his Rocket 3. No issues coast w any of em. I have been pleasantly surprised by how reliable his big Triumph has been.
@@johnasbury9915 I don’t doubt that Triumphs can be reliable, (just like a Land Rover) but I know I would stress less about a Kawasaki. There are good bikes and bad bikes, but on the whole parts and service are easier to come by for Kawasakis than Triumphs.
@@johnasbury9915 I don't know that the reliability of the Rocket 3 would necessarily translate down the range. I haven't heard anything bad about Triumph in general though, aside from the comparative lack of dealers/service centers. The early 675s were known to be oil burners, but I understand that's no longer the case. I still see plenty of the older Street Triple and Daytonas getting around, so I think the basic platform was good and should be quite refined by now.
parts can be iffy when it’s time, but i rode the absolute snot out of my street triple r. Only issue i had was a bad fuel pump at 12500k miles. thing was solid.
Zack is a master at ride reviews: a poet, a humorist, a philosopher and, of course, an expert motorcyclist. I'm so impressed with Triumph in general and with this quality machine. So many motorcycles to choose from.... Hmm....
As always A+ review. If there were a motorcycle reviewer board Zack would be at the top!
I have to agree whole heartedly
The pain of deciding which is better, the V650 vs T660… that was great. After this review, I’m going Tiger.
I always chuckle when people ask what is the best this and that. What looks the best, etc. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Purchases are specific emotional processes. Purchase things you perceive as best. Truthfully most products are dependable and reliable. It’s nice to be educated about a product before purchasing. Your smartphone answers all the questions vs 10 year old library references in years past.
This bike reminds me of my Yamaha fz6r that I had for 4 years and made 55k miles on all types of roads, and LD touring.
However... I've always wanted a bit more power. Finally bought an fz6 instead. Liked it, but never loved it as much. Same with the fz1.
Moral: if you love it - enjoy it. And know that nothing is perfect.
I just picked up a 2013 FZ6R as my first bike 3 months ago. Already put 5k miles on it!
Excellent choice. Good for all types of riders form beginners to the experience riders. Unlike fz6 and fz1, it has more usable torque down low. I even put a +1 tooth front sprocket and it still had an excellent pull 2up yet better gear ratios.
Enjoy it!
@@FxRiderST The more torque comparison is deceptive. If you lay over both HP and torque charts, the non R doesn't give up that much and rewards the rider with 30 more hp at 12,500. The FZ6 gets you an aluminum frame, center stand, real wind protection and monoblock calipers. But then again I'm 64. If you're 24, and in love with the Rockstar Energy stars on it and faux R6 look, than the FZ6R is your ride. Don't even bother to race. 11.3 vs. 12.3 in the quarter. At 120 mph trap speed thats dozens of bike lengths.
@@kd350 It's all about what's talking to you, not what's on the paper...
For the reference I'm 60 and riding an ST1300 now.
I’m excited to ride this bike. The fact all the reviews I’ve seen so far all seem to come to the same conclusion. It’s definitely a solid platform for light touring, although not the best, but it is a great bike for what it is.
I sold my Street triple R for lack of comfort and I could not control myself on it. Bought a versys 650 and sold it because of the poor build quality... Now triumph makes the perfect bike...
Just bought a Versys X 300 this year. Yeah, steel frame, conventional forks, wooden brakes...I could complain, but brand new leftover deal at $4,999 won me over. Arguably the best looking Versys and the only one with a 19 front. Lots of dirt roads around here. Can hang with a fast rider on his Husky 501 Supermoto and once on pavement, disappear. Tooth up on the counter and it does a real ton.
Triple lack comfort? Explain
Love the pause between:
"Ohhp, ohhp, ohp - dude/bro's clippin the barriers..."
(closing right up to the back of the trailer)
and
"Uh oh..."
Brilliant review, thanks! I was test riding a lot of top-end bikes recently and took the Tiger 660 out just for a bit of fun, with absolutely no intention of buying one whatsoever…… But I brought one immediately. I’ve owned two GS’s, a GSA, S1000XR and a Pan America in since 2016 and it took me only about a quarter of a mile of riding to decide I prefer the Tiger!
I trust Zack's reviews 100%. Based on this one, I decided to put down a deposit on the Tiger Sport 660! Should be arriving in Vancouver, BC late Feb. I love triples, and can't wait to join the Triumph family!
The turn in is what made me love the Daytona and it's nice to see the handling carrying on in other Triumph 600s.
Zack your reviews are awesome! I’m trying to decide between the Versy’s 650 and Triumph 660, now I know what I want! Triumph 660!!! Thank you Zack!! 🙏🏻
I have a 2017 V650, it’s perfect…because I’m 6’3” and 210 lbs. it looks and feels as big as most liter adventure touring bikes. So if if you are shopping, and you don’t want to swallow up a diminutive bike when you mount your bike, it’s the V650 for the win in my opinion…to borrow his metaphor, no clouds in my sky!
Yep, Triumph makes some pretty darn fine bikes these days. I think that’s attributed to the fact that they’re not a publicly traded company, and one man (Nick Bloor) gets to make the final decisions, and he’s pretty good at those decisions! I first purchased a Trophy SE in 2013, probably the best kept secret in touring bikes, then a Tiger 900 Rally Pro. Those bikes are 1000% different from each other, but both great at what they do. When browsing new bikes at multi-line dealers, I always gravitate towards the Triumph section. And of every new bike out there, the bike at the top of the ‘bikes I want’ list is a Rocket 3. Unfortunately, it’s also at the bottom of the ‘bikes I need’ list…. Oh well. Great review Zack!
I just remembered this video and Z’s comments about gearing. I have one and installed a 17t from sprocket, makes it much calmer on the highway and makes 2,3,4 more fun.
Mine is coming in on Friday, this review was a big reason I picked it over the Versys. Thank you Mr. Courts.
I am hesitating as you two years ago (TTS660 and Versys 650).
Did you make the right choice?
Thank you in advance
@yassinezaghloul4184 i still have the triumph and I love it! I would say the only con is that the triumph dealer in my area has a higher hourly rate than other places so maintenence is slightly higher, but that may be regional.
I was going back and forth between the Versys 650 and the Tiger 660 for a while, chose the tiger for the simple reason that I cannot find a Versys near me that the dealers arent price gouging. I got the Tiger for MSRP. No regrets.
Living in Europe, another competitor to the Tiger 660 is the Tracer 700, I would like to here Zach's comparison between the tracer 700, Tiger 660 and Versys 650
I tossed this around in my head since I "need" a new grab and go bike, ended up ordering a 2022 Versys 650 LT instead. It was close to a flip of a coin, but the Kawasaki is slightly less basic with the details other than the engine. Both are built to a price point and it is obvious the Versys was Triumph's target and they accomplished that assembly with slightly differing priorities. I await your eventual Daily Rider review of the 2022 Versys 650, hopefully an LT. (-:
Previous MY were a bit disappointed. The dash that used until 2020 was straight from 2000's.
Now with TC and a TFT panel it's much more appealing. Engine still rocks it.
I guess the main reason for the triumph (and a legit one) would the the engine.
Great bike choice though, congratz!
It will last longer and be more reliable then the triumph.
I currently have a 2011 Versys and am thinking of upgrading…. This may be the bike.
@@Steve-motorcycles what makes you say that mate? Is the Triumph unreliable?
Life is too short for budget suspension. Wanted a 650 -to- 900 sport touring rig that could handle 2UP + hard-bags. Had to step up to a (used) Multistrada 1200S to get decent suspension. Less $$ ($7200) same weight 2X power and Öhlins. Hate that smaller bikes always get crap suspension.
I know this is quite a repeated phrase but, we are definitely lucky today for having so many choices of bikes.
I’ve just realised that the much admired Yamaha Tracer 7 GT is not available in the US. That seems a real pity. It has a lot more pizazz than the Versys 650 and would certainly at least match the Triumph in the fun factor. That CP2 engine is a gem!
I would get the Tracer 7GT if it was available, but I see Yamaha's reasoning. It probably isn't worth the cost of bringing it over. I can count the number of Versys (650 + 1k) I have seen in person on one hand, including mine and 2 at the dealer. I think I saw one on a trip and once in a parking lot once.
Great review Zack! One thing that you mention sometimes, but I didn't catch here, is the option for a center stand. I'm guessing not with the underslung exhaust, but I think it is always good to mention when reviewing the more practical/commuter oriented bikes. Thanks!
Get a Paddock stand for maintenance.
A triple is smoother and sounds better and has more character than a vertical twin. I would choose the 660 over the Versys on that advantage alone. As a verified gearhead, the choice is simple, get the Triumph!
Looks and reminds me of my old Yamaha Fz6. Specs are very similar, my old Fz6 was Dyno'd at 98hp after some mods but it got 56-65 mpg depending on how I rode it. It was a killer long distance bike that was super comfortable and quite sporty. Cheers 🥂
I had a 2004 FZ6 - man do I miss that bike! It was super comfortable and would straight up embarrass bikes costing thousands more! LOL
Yep, to this day, the FZ6 (mine's a bought new '09) punches way above its weight. In Raven, the graphic saying what it is is so stealth. Friends insist it's a litre bike. I went up a tooth on the countershaft and it's FASTER. Out pulls a buddy's '02 R6 everywhere. Even the MT10 is a toy compared. The Ten has no wind protection, no center stand (nor does this Triumph), crap passenger seating. Rear wheel stock it's still 92 hp. Hondog 650? 78; S(loppy)V(agina) 650? 59; etc. I carouse looking for an Aprillia 660 to embarrass. R7? You gotta be kidding!
I bought a 2022 Versys 650 today based on the daily rider analysis. The initial 120 miles were positive, seems to be an almost perfect bike for me.
I have a 2020 Versys 650 and love it too. The Tiger is interesting. I poked around and among Tiger owners there’s a universal dislike for the seat and optional comfort seat. And there isn’t much if any options in the aftermarket for seats, and limited options for screens, protection and comfort. Also some comments about vibrations at the instrument panel and handlebars. But there also appears to be a universal love for the 660 among its owners.
(Things it does worse than a Verses: Give you confidence it will do 80,000+ miles without major mechanical issues.)
It seems like an amazing commuter/tourer however. Enough poke for overtakes on a freeway. Light enough to manhandle if necessary. The right 'amount' of bike for the broadest range of touring situations. Sometimes bikes fall over, sometimes you break a chain and have to push a bit. If you ride alone consider the weight of your bikes carefully imho.
Buddy totally spent a Triumph 800 with relentless flogging. Mud, dirt, rain, hammering back roads. I think it made it to mid sixties in milage. Did manage to sell it.
copy pasta from other comment.
This is the most obvious answer. One is a Japanese bike, the other is an English bike. No-brainer which one is more reliable. Also, when a person says a European bike has more 'character' or whatever it means, the automatic next comment should be it's less reliable than its Japanese counterpart. Zach said the first line, but didn't say the second part. Zach, love your reviews, but you have to be more honest with viewers. And people in the comment section saying how their triumph never gave them any problem. Yeah that's probably true, but anecdotal evidence doesn't equal real evidence. Reliability data speaks for itself.
@@sagheer.a4988 The 800's made in Thailand. So much for european 'character'
Triumph is pumping out great bikes.....
Have always loved Triumph bikes. The triple motors alone is worth owning.
I own a 02 Daytona 955i with 55,000kms and still runs good.
Another great review.
Just hit 6000 miles on mine, daily commute 50 mile round trip in so cal and this bike is comfy and fun !
sweet
Nice! Just past 15k on mine, daily commute and weekend rides in NorCal. Great for filtering/splitting, comfy and fun!
I'm currently torn between these two bikes as my new commuter vehicle, so I've been scraping for differences between the two. I don't see it in here, so I'll add this big difference between the Versys 650 and the Tiger Sport 660: The Versys fork is adjustable in pre-load and rebound damping. There you go! That's your third thing the Kawi does better than the Triumph. You mentioned that the Tiger's fork and suspension felt a bit budget and you couldn't dial it in... the Kawi has an answer for that. Triumph: engine and fueling is better. Kawi: Suspension, comfort, and range are better. Oh, and with the handguards, the two are only USD$5 apart (in favor of the Versys).
Also, the Kawi fueling can be fixed easily via the aftermarket. ECU tunes (not fake power commander hacking) are available for the Versys that completely smooth out the fueling.
As a truck driver, who navigates cities daily, thank you for the acknowledgement of our plight. Great review, also!
I really like the weather analogy question. I feel like it gives the perfect description of how the bike makes you feel.
Great job 👏 It’s refreshing to watch a review that doesn’t sound like a commercial .
Damn you Courts, two bikes enter, only one may leave, Versys or Tiger, pick!
Hey, great review. I just got one issue; the rear brake gets hot, caliper and the rotor after normal riding. I’m a very experienced rider and don’t depend on the rear brake for high speed stopping. Rear brake mainly used for slow speed control and feather into turns when trail breaking with mostly the front. I’m not covering or leaning on the rear brake at all. Funny, after aggressive riding the front brakes are cool but the rear is always hot, even when purposely not used. The dealer said they couldn’t find any issues and have to ask Triumph to go further in the analysis. I think it’s in the master cylinder relief port. What’s your opinion and do you think it’s normal? Thank so much.
Great comparison and awesome review Zack. Thanks for putting this one early in the year as it was one of my recommendations. Have always loved Triumph and it's good to see a new engine (especially a triple) come out of their stable. The 650 lump is getting long on the tooth for Kawasaki. Yes it is reliable, but with the 650 being used on so many of their models, whatever the model, it always seems to feel the same regardless. I Love the triple's linear power curve and sound. In comparison, the 650 always sounds anemic.
this is more like tracer 7, not sure why people try to compare it with tracer 9. the latter one would be a quite a significant upgrade to it tbh. good bike to play in the versys650, tracer7, v-strom650 league. very good review as always, Zack!
Nice review, as always. I appreciate your comments on the physical size as some of us are on the smaller side - 5'7" here. I am hopeful that you get to review the slightly revised 2022 CB500X as well. I am excited about that bike based on its weight, versatility, price and function.
Its very crap and shyt those new 500 cbr series... cheap parts and all. But its great and reliable. Just low asf quality as i had the 2013 cbr500r and the other version's cb500x cbr500f etc.. its basically the same bike and parts lol
Just FYI, with the Trident I acheived 67MPG/3.5L/100km on a full tank (on a roadtrip), so it's an engine that can do fuel efficiency. Then again, it tends to sing pretty well so it's tempting to open up more often.
Any techniques that you recommend to get that MPG? Glad to hear you had it in the 60s.. a lot of people have been trashing the fuel economy in reviews that I've seen.
@@willpopemusic Well, the gearbox is too short to get really good fuel economy past 50, and it starts to really go down past 65-70. But there's no secret or anything like that, with any bike, or motor vehicle for that matter: don't go crazy on acceleration, use the engine brake to slow down as much as possible, don't ride at high RPM, make sure your tires are inflated enough.
There is no secret really, it's all well known.
heck yeah new daily rider!!
Great review as always. It would be great if Daily Rider could think of a way to incorporate a comparison with "Battle Toad" and "Dave." Maybe Dave for the sport bikes and Battle Toad for the more standard street bikes.
Good idea.
I've been wondering whether you'll do a review on this bike the moment it was announced. Absolutely beautiful bike. Thank you so much! 🙂
Cheers
The versys 650 question was spot on. Just what i was looking for.
Great video
Counterpoint regarding overall size: the versys feels super composed as an interstate commuter despite it's relatively low displacement. I get the impression that the 660 would feel a bit more flighty in that 70-85 mph range.
I’ve been planning to buy this bike for a transcontinental trip, but I knew I had to wait until the daily rider came out to make up my mind. Thank you!
So..... is your mind made up?
@@unclejj509 My only concern is the possibility of the handlebars being too buzzy for a long trip (have experienced this on triumphs before), so I’m going to test ride it first. Otherwise, I have no reservations and I am planning to buy one. I may change the gearing on it as well to help mitigate the issue
@@ShrewdFanfare I think this bike is cool (I'm a Triumph fan) I'm also looking at the Tiger 850 sport. Demo models are coming available now. There's one at the JAX dealership for like $9,500 with like 12 miles!
@@unclejj509 Glad to hear it. I’d love to hear what you end up deciding on! I will try to remember to come back here to update after my trip as well
Worked perfectly for my trip! Mirrors weren’t buzzy at all. I ended up getting the comfort seat and I’m glad I did
Bearing in mind that the Versys is older by quite a lot that is still well done from Triumph. I`m a Kawa fan so my choice would be the Versys but that Triumph ticks all the boxes in the right way. Good review!
My first thought at looking at it was a British Versys. Nice.
Hey Zach, I love the work you do! You have reviewed some version of every bike in my garage, and I can't really argue with your rankings (well, maybe a little). Full disclosure, I am a Versys 650 fanboi, having owned 3, and currently owning 2, and having run up more than 140K miles on them. I sat on one of these 660 Tigers yesterday, and it feels like the natural successor to the Versys, maintaining the Versys' virtues like confidence inspiring handling, flexibility, comfort, and frugality, while improving on its greatest weakness, power for quick overtakes. So thanks for posting this! The only nit I'm going to pick with you is around gearing. The last bike that I owned that I thought would benefit from taller gearing was my 1979 XS650. With modern bikes, if I make a change, it's to make the gearing shorter.
You should try next the tracer 7, to have all the middle commuters tested😁
It’s not available here in North America
@@mattraby3906 ohh, i didn t know that😊
Has he tested the Vstrom 650?
To fallow up with comparison the Tracer 900 GT. After taking delivery of my 2019 Tracer 900 GT here in SE Asia I asked where are my panniers. They had no idea about what I was talking about. Even after contacting Yamaha main office in Bangkok, they ignored my concerns.
Come to find out the panniers are not available outside of America. I had to spend an additional $1,800 for them (with shipping and very high taxes). And another $2,000 to replace the fake suspension. And many other upgrades to make the bike safe to ride.
Triumph is a superior quality bike.
Oh god... Feels like I waited for this one for eternity...
But now I've watched it... Feels like I'd remember it for perpetuity...
Really good review Zack. My bros are are totally digging the 660 sport. I just wish it came with cruise control and center stand. That would make it a clear winner imo
I'd rather get the Versys. I'm older and with the cagers it here bigger is better. It gets more range. The Versys is basically fully faired. Taller suspension. Softer ride.
I'm picking up a brand new 2021 for $7,600 tomorrow. ECU re-map is $230 and it works. I own a 2020 Ninja 650 KRT and mapped that one. It's flawless.
Such a talent Zack ....the daily rider is such a useful consistent, fun , informative and useful series all made by your presentation style and straightforward views ..or to paraphrase you ...."I do learn something , i do have fun , and you will see me next time :)) , Keep knocking them out of the park Zack
V Strom 650 XT Touring though? It's slightly less good as a highway bike than the Versys 650, but otherwise I find it to be just a bit better and more fun in most situations. I would love to see your opinion on it eventually.
Great video, I couldn't wait for the 660, so I went with a 2022 Tiger Sport 850. I live in an area with fast roads, impatient semi trucks and it was suggested I get the 850....glad I did. I'm a new rider but I'm very comfortable on the 850, not to mention the lightweight feel as I ride in "rain" mode until I get more comfortable. Love Triumph!
Zack, your reviews are the absolute best. Full stop. Thanks for all that you do!
I really enjoyed your weather analogy, it would be fun to see that done again.
UK viewer here, best road tests are done by Zack. Good bike, but with stay with my Versys 650 GT, brilliant bike.
Thank you, man. Your video is not very informative, but it is definitely fun. I've watched it with pleasure.
Hands down my favorite videos to watch. Keep them coming! Also good research for my work. I don't get the chance to ride every bike but I sell parts for them. Your reviews are as if I got a chance to get out and experience the bike first hand. Helps engage with customers.
Hey mate. Just want to say i really find your simple quick test rides quite informative for a person looking to buy their first bike. Keep up the interesting short videos.
Fantastic review as always 👍
I'm test riding one of these next week. I was kinda set on an MT09 to replace my GSXS but love the look of these and I'm not bothered by the drop in power as 80-100 is perfect I think for fun and commuting 😉👍
I would put the Honda NC750X and the BMW F750GS in the same category as well.
Would be awesome if you can review the BMW when possible.
Thanks a lot for the great videos :)
Have a good one!
The 750GS is very expensive when kitted out with all of BMW's doodahs, but otherwise I think it would be a much more comfortable ride.
As an owner of a 2016 Versys 650 LT I have to admit there are things I like about this Triumph but the sum of these things are not enough to make me want to sell my Versys. The Versys is heavier but holds an addition gallon of gas. The Versys has an aluminum swing arm and adjustable front suspension. I like the Triumph triple 660cc engine and the bump in HP but again not enough to make me want to change. In my opinion the Triumph looks so much like the Kawasaki I'm surprised there aren't legal issues. All said I'm glad Triumph made this bike but it falls short of being a must have.
The engine alone is a good enough reason to buy this over a Versys.
If it had Triumph's new T-plane crank I'd agree, but it doesn't. The Kawi 180 degree P-twin doesn't sound as good as the modern 270 P-twins, but I still prefer it to an even fire triple. It has more character and enough power to still be fun.
@@LS3ftw15 T-plane crank isn't that great, for my opinion. I've tested Tiger 900 and I vividly remembering vibrations on bars when doing 130kph.
I booked this bike but I had lot of questions that I did a right choice but you answered all of my questions.Thankyou. And your review so good and fun 🤩 and the best.
A better-looking and better-sounding bike than a Versys, IMO. Overall, I don't think of any of these 6XX class bikes as "sports tourers". No cruise control = Not a sports tourer. Not in my book anyway. Daily rider, sure. Tourer? Negative.
True, needs cruise control as well as new Versys 650.
The world's gone soft. In the 70s my touring bike was a Kawasaki triple (500 and 750). 😅
Cruise control? Just tell me where a gas station is? 😉
Nice bike, but no cruise control on a bike marketed as a mid-sized tourer seems to be a design mistake. You failed to mention that this is not even an option on this bike. Long daily commutes means that Triumph cheaped out a bit too much.
I’ll take adjustable suspension way before cruise control.
In the end, I think it's down to taste between the Tiger 660 and the Versys 650. Me? I'd go for the Versys. Japanese reliability, four more litres in the tank, and being bigger and heavier is better to me. Thanks for yet another excellent video, Zack!
Perfect timing! I just looked at this bike up last night. Still think I'm in love with the xsr 900 instead.
I like the older xsr900. Not sure about the seat on the new one.
@@chrishart8548 I like the look of the older one as well. I think it might be worthwhile to change the subframe from the old one to the new one, but there's so much good stuff with the IMU and the bigger displacement on the new one that just gets me excited. I would get an older version if I could find one that wasn't just $2,000 less than a brand brand new one.
That blue and gold is just gorgeous.
So close!Waiting comparasion with 2022 vesys650!
Outstanding coverage and review. Ironically, I’m test driving a Sport 660 tomorrow right next to the Denver Revzilla store. Looking forward to it.
Great review! I love the way you touched all points and how you narrate
Already order mine 🤗 exited to ride 😁
I have been waiting to see this review for a year now! I am so pumped!
I wanna see the goldwing and the k1600 do the mud section :) And the jump of course.
Everytime Zack start the intro make a smile on my face :)
Your weather analogy was pure genius
I've got a 2012 Versys and bought it back then new...had Triumph had this bike at the time I would have definitely got it...I was seriously looking at a Bonneville in 2012..and got the Versys because was a much sportier bike than the Bonneville at the time....Versys has been great over these years..but I recently got 2012 BMW R1200R Classic..yeah baby...
Had the original ‘09 Versys and got rid of it back in ‘16 for a Yamaha FJ-09. The Versys lacked power and, while it was a “reliable” machine, it sounded like an overgrown sewing machine. No personality, atleast for me. The Fj is nice but the fueling sucks, very notchy throttle which makes it very hard to ride smooth. Almost went back to the Versys but the local dealer won’t have one until 2023. Just put deposit on red Tiger 660 after a quick ride, looking forward to a smoother throttle and a smaller bike. Don’t commute anymore so it’s all pleasure riding.
Great review. I traded my street triple for the trident. Trident was a great bike but lacked the elements protection I realized I wanted. I now own the Lucerne blue tiger sport 660. Pick it up in 3 days :)
Great weather analogy. Really felt that and now I actually kinda want one in that beautiful blue.
I do think it's a decent bike.
The engine has great character and Triumph does fueling very good.
I think it needs a bit more refinement to get into it's identity as a "sports tourer" like CC, longer gearing (local highway cruising is at 80mph so it would get very viby based on your experience), a better windscreen. I also find the dash a bit lacking (but I don't like the Trident dash either).
Most of these can be overcome with aftermarket but that's more money to spend.
Right now it feels like it leans more to the sports riding then the touring and at that level I would just get the Trident because it has the fueling and character being even lighter/sportier and if you add some bags and a nice screen you'd still go under the price of this one.
If I wanted a medium-sized sports tourer right now, I do think I would still take a second-hand versys650LT.
Thanks for the riding review Zack.
Triumph seems to have dialed in their features and prices better than anyone. Their catalog is packed with upgrades or go a few rungs up the family line to the Tiger 900. I agree that this is a Trident in new clothes, but that's probably enough for a coffee run crowd. Got to have the Triumph brand to flaunt their European sophistication and touring bike style to show that they are adventurous.
It's honestly a pretty good commuter bike with not too much power for constant city riding but enough power to boogy along highways like yamahas CP2(since we don't get Tracer 700 in U.S.). Looks sharp compared to Hondas ugly NCX750.
It was fun watching you struggle with choosing between the triumph or the Versys. Great vid.
Great review as always! I'm interested in this bike. For me, one disappointment...I thought this bike was going to have more off road capability as to compete with the T7, Toureg, etc. I think they have a good platform for this and hope they come out with something like this. Both this and the Trident as good looking bikes. Triumph knows how to do things in the style department.
I've been looking forward to this review because mine will be here in three weeks. Glad it got a thumbs up.
WELL DONE, and obviously now I want one!!!!
Wonderful, honest, high integrity and funny review. Excellent!!
Thanks for your videos, I love them! Please test the Rebel 1100 DCT on daily rider.