Really excellent summary, I have these stands & 100% agree with your assessment. While they are really good value-& very configurable. exactly as you identify the locking elements being plastic is a weakness, it’s easy to overtighten and crack them. Also another weakness, the main tubes arnt really locked at ends- had end seperate from support & keyboard hit floor 😓. I personally don’t mind the size as I only put 88 on bottom, Hope they listen to feedback and maybe make them slightly more expensive but make just a few design changes to make them significantly more useable & durable.
Very helpful review. I was about to order one of these to use with my Yamaha P-125 on bottom, Roland VK8 (32lbs) middle, and a mixer and laptop on top. Hearing you had a keyboard fall off this thing has changed my mind! At minimum you saved me the hassle of returning something, at most you saved me broken instruments! Thanks!
This type of stand was very popular during the 80s. I had a silver one when I was a teen in the 80s. I'd stack my Yamaha DSR-2000, PSS-560, and MK-100 on it so that when I play I felt like I was Howard Jones.
@@ThePianoforever After watching your video, I'm quite surprised the original 80s design and materials used remains basically intact after 40 years, down to the screws used.
Wow I was going to look at this for my Yamaha Montage 8. Which is pretty wide. 57 1/16”. So that alone rules this stand out. It weighs 63 lbs 15 oz. without the weight of any cabling hanging from it. With a list price of 4000usd. You’ve saved me a lot of headache and money.
The fact that the clamping force of the sleeves is too low is not due to the large gaps but to the fact that the T-pieces cannot bend. one can clearly see the insufficient gap between the horizontal and vertical part at 11:46. He's only in the bottom half. Typically, T-connectors are constructed from two half-shells that are screwed together. As a result of the attempt to construct this in one piece, no sufficient clamping forces are achieved.
We believe that basically it is a good design that needs some refinements in the clamping area. We hope that they read a few of the comments to be able to improve the design to make it a really great and solid stand.
It would be good if On-Stage not only indicated the maximum weight per floor, but also the permissible torque. I guess that the stand will easily hold 40lbs if the piano is with its the center of gravity directly above the pole. However, the further away the center of gravity - the greater the torque - the more likely the clamps will fail. In numbers e.g .: at +/- 2 inch between the center of gravity of the piano and the center of the pole up to 40 lb, at +/- 4 inch up to 20 lb, at +/- 8 in up to 10 lb and so on. You also have to take the force from playing into account.
Yes, that was the problem we were having. The keyboards would not fit between the vertical poles so we used the optional second hole to bring the keyboard forward, but that also aggravated the weak clamp issue.
Bought a ton of things from On-Stage. Excellent Z-Stands if all the pieces fit together properly so that the keyboards are level but that's about it. Here in America I bought a Jaspers stand (Germany) direct from their site and it arrived FedEx in three long boxes. Seems to be the best option for A-frame stands. There's also a company named Ultimate Support? Currently trying the K&M Omega stand. The support is a bit wonky for the 2nd-tier arms but so far, so good. Feels like a posh upgrade from the On-Stage Z-Stand.
Thank you for reviewing your stand. Pretty awesome setup. Seems to work well with smaller lighter keyboards. Wouldn’t be great if your performing live and your keyboard falls on the ground. That would be a major oops ... I might freak if my Yamaha P515 were to fall on the floor. 😳😱
Getting a 3 tier keyboard stand is not easy. Some really good ones are only sold in Europe and the shipping makes it quite expensive. For onstage, I did not trust the middle tier for a nice 40 pound+ synth so I removed the two bottom tiers and setup the first two tiers with a hercules double tier stand setup inside the onstage that can support 80 pounds. I use the onstage for an additional 3rd and 4th top tier for lighter stuff on top the hercules stand. The extra bars I have behind for cable management; The combo works great!! on Stage should upgrade to pin locks rather than relying on tightness/pressure. The hercules two tier has lock pins which can support a lot of weight. BTW, I noticed on the video, the long bar on the sides goes on the back... at least that's what the instructions shows. But maybe it does not matter.
While playing keyboard a keyboardist/pianist applies pressure and extra force. A designer of a keyboardstand has to take that into account - 40lbs is not much for a keyboard and playing pressure. I like K&M stands very much but I don´t think they produce a 3-tier stand.
I have a Moog Source and a MicroMoog on a single tier of a 1985 Ultimate Support stand. Their combined weight is 42 pounds. The pieces on the other two tiers weigh about 30 pounds for each tier. The span is 54" inside width between the end A-frames. This is the original mass-produced triple tier. aluminum tube stand. It has lasted 36 years of near-constant use. The OSS in your review is a distant relative of the Ultimate- sadly Ultimate stopped making this style many years ago. The market leader for this type of stand today is Jaspers. I have the On-Stage Z stand, all steel, and an OSS desk. Both are extremely solid. I would pay for a more professional (durable) triple tier, but the cost cannot exceed the Jaspers cost. The other option for durable triple-tier stands is Standtastic. An interesting look at an oft-overlooked part of life for any multiple keyboard setup.
Nice review, now I don’t own anymore any keyboard, except a very old one with a lot of flaws, because I can’t play anymore but when I owned a couple of keyboards I used frame tubes from steal. The same one used to make stands outside when a company paints a building. Very steady but not easy to transport. One thing I don’t understand. The horizontal tubes (beam) on this stand are round. Why not square? Then they don’t move and you don’t have to do difficult by trying to hold the round beam? And you are never going to get a plastic ring strong enough to hold something like 40 pounds on a single beam. That’s not the right way. Personally I like it when a stand I use can even hold my weight. Why? Because on stage you sometimes have to lean over you device to plug something in. That’s why. It needs to hold more then the weight of your keyboard. Thank you for sharing.
@@ThePianoforever yes, you’re right I didn’t think about the angle. But the ends could be squared. And what about the vertical tubes? Do they need to be round? I don’t think that’s really necessary or is it.
@ BENZ E340 If On-Stage made a series of high end keyboard stands people would buy them. I think people would gladly pay extra for a solid stand to protect their investment. We have other keyboards stands that are very solid, but only for one or two keyboards.
You were being very polite in your video. I got one, and it is a flimsy piece of crap. As you noted, the end knobs that hold the keyboard in place, too short. I'm glad it was missing pieces, or I might have kept it.
According to Roland the Fantom 7 is 51.1" wide and weighs 39lb's. This is a 73 key, Keyboard. Its also almost 14" wide which I think is to big of a Pro Kybd & expensive to place a Fantom7 Kybd on this stand. They also say the stand is 51" wide and the Fantom is 51.1" which I don't know if the width is even wide enough at a 73 key Kybd size. I would pay $250.00 to $350.00 if the stand was strong enough to hold me siting on it. Ps. I weigh 200 pounds. Still nothing beats my Ultimate Support stand which I still have 2 of from the 80's and are still going strong, just not wide enough for the newer & bigger Keyboards. Thx ElectricEddie
Would it be possible to drill a hole through the T clamping brackets and the tubes and install a bolt and nut to prevent the tubes from rotating or coming out? This would be a cheap and easy fix.
There's a massive gap in the market for a STURDY and RIGID but still lightweight and versatile 3-tier A-frame. I've yet to find an A frame that I would put my expensive heavy keyboards on... If manufacturers were to replace the horrible plastic bits with metal then the problem would be solved.
this is the same stand design out in the 80s. nothings been changed at all. except they used to be grey aluminium and black, as soon as modern stands came out keys players switched over. if i remember correctly the plastic fittings wore out easy, haha People were playing smaller keyboards back in the day Dx7's Junos etc so they did fit those smaller keyboards. anyone playing nan 88 key keyboards was using a sit down table style stand . after 3 decades im purchasing another A frame mostly for home studio use to be able to use the height i need, for mpc and multipads. great revioew tho,
How high is the bottom tier is from the ground? Is it’s height adjustable? Or can it be removed? I’m wondering if I can get this and still have something heavy at the bottom on a different stand
Great video! I just picked this stand up, and also based my decision on the listed weight ability. The 88 key weighted keyboard should be brace-able on the front and the back support tube. Yamaha CP88 is exactly the length of the tube itself, and does fit, but I don't trust the stand yet. It seems like enough weight is on the tube itself that it feels fairly stable. The CP88 IS 40lbs, so it seems like it would work. I also checked to see what the major issue is on the rotation. It's pretty clear with the locking slots that the rotation is able to push the main joint away with enough leverage. After wiggling the CP88 a bit I had to push the sides of the stand back together. I can see active playing causing this issue as well. I also tried a Roland V-Synth, and the weight is far enough back on it to cause the same rotation issue. It's only 30lbs, but it definitely needs bracing from the rear strut. Some other options would be if the adjustment pieces were either manufactured in something tougher like Nylon, or in Aluminum but sold independently as pairs. Then I could upgrade just the tiers that had the extra weight.
Since you asked what I would like, I wish I could get a reliable keyboard stand that would have an adjustable damper pedal clamp as part of the frame. It would eliminate the damper pedal travelling as I use it. Some manufacturers have it in wood, but that's not practical if you want to take your keyboard to a concert.
Really excellent summary, I have these stands & 100% agree with your assessment. While they are really good value-& very configurable. exactly as you identify the locking elements being plastic is a weakness, it’s easy to overtighten and crack them. Also another weakness, the main tubes arnt really locked at ends- had end seperate from support & keyboard hit floor 😓. I personally don’t mind the size as I only put 88 on bottom, Hope they listen to feedback and maybe make them slightly more expensive but make just a few design changes to make them significantly more useable & durable.
Very helpful review. I was about to order one of these to use with my Yamaha P-125 on bottom, Roland VK8 (32lbs) middle, and a mixer and laptop on top. Hearing you had a keyboard fall off this thing has changed my mind! At minimum you saved me the hassle of returning something, at most you saved me broken instruments! Thanks!
This type of stand was very popular during the 80s. I had a silver one when I was a teen in the 80s. I'd stack my Yamaha DSR-2000, PSS-560, and MK-100 on it so that when I play I felt like I was Howard Jones.
The concept is fantastic, lots of equipment with low floor space use.
@@ThePianoforever After watching your video, I'm quite surprised the original 80s design and materials used remains basically intact after 40 years, down to the screws used.
@ dexter pedroche
In talking to On-Stage they indicated that this model had been made for some time and was due for an upgrade.
Wow I was going to look at this for my Yamaha Montage 8. Which is pretty wide. 57 1/16”. So that alone rules this stand out. It weighs 63 lbs 15 oz. without the weight of any cabling hanging from it. With a list price of 4000usd. You’ve saved me a lot of headache and money.
Yeah, I wouldn't want to put that beast on this stand either...
The fact that the clamping force of the sleeves is too low is not due to the large gaps but to the fact that the T-pieces cannot bend. one can clearly see the insufficient gap between the horizontal and vertical part at 11:46. He's only in the bottom half.
Typically, T-connectors are constructed from two half-shells that are screwed together. As a result of the attempt to construct this in one piece, no sufficient clamping forces are achieved.
We believe that basically it is a good design that needs some refinements in the clamping area. We hope that they read a few of the comments to be able to improve the design to make it a really great and solid stand.
It would be good if On-Stage not only indicated the maximum weight per floor, but also the permissible torque. I guess that the stand will easily hold 40lbs if the piano is with its the center of gravity directly above the pole. However, the further away the center of gravity - the greater the torque - the more likely the clamps will fail. In numbers e.g .: at +/- 2 inch between the center of gravity of the piano and the center of the pole up to 40 lb, at +/- 4 inch up to 20 lb, at +/- 8 in up to 10 lb and so on. You also have to take the force from playing into account.
Yes, that was the problem we were having. The keyboards would not fit between the vertical poles so we used the optional second hole to bring the keyboard forward, but that also aggravated the weak clamp issue.
Bought a ton of things from On-Stage. Excellent Z-Stands if all the pieces fit together properly so that the keyboards are level
but that's about it. Here in America I bought a Jaspers stand (Germany) direct from their site and it arrived FedEx in three long boxes. Seems to be the best option for A-frame stands. There's also a company named Ultimate Support? Currently trying the K&M Omega stand. The support is a bit wonky for the 2nd-tier arms but so far, so good. Feels like a posh upgrade from the On-Stage Z-Stand.
Thank you for reviewing your stand. Pretty awesome setup. Seems to work well with smaller lighter keyboards. Wouldn’t be great if your performing live and your keyboard falls on the ground. That would be a major oops ... I might freak if my Yamaha P515 were to fall on the floor. 😳😱
Totally agree!
Getting a 3 tier keyboard stand is not easy. Some really good ones are only sold in Europe and the shipping makes it quite expensive. For onstage, I did not trust the middle tier for a nice 40 pound+ synth so I removed the two bottom tiers and setup the first two tiers with a hercules double tier stand setup inside the onstage that can support 80 pounds. I use the onstage for an additional 3rd and 4th top tier for lighter stuff on top the hercules stand. The extra bars I have behind for cable management; The combo works great!!
on Stage should upgrade to pin locks rather than relying on tightness/pressure. The hercules two tier has lock pins which can support a lot of weight.
BTW, I noticed on the video, the long bar on the sides goes on the back... at least that's what the instructions shows. But maybe it does not matter.
While playing keyboard a keyboardist/pianist applies pressure and extra force. A designer of a keyboardstand has to take that into account - 40lbs is not much for a keyboard and playing pressure. I like K&M stands very much but I don´t think they produce a 3-tier stand.
@Salsa-studio Wuppertal, thank for the comment and information.
0:37 its normal digital piano?
We would suggest that this stand would be fine for keyboards weighing 20 lbs or less and under 50 inches in width.
I have a Moog Source and a MicroMoog on a single tier of a 1985 Ultimate Support stand. Their combined weight is 42 pounds. The pieces on the other two tiers weigh about 30 pounds for each tier. The span is 54" inside width between the end A-frames. This is the original mass-produced triple tier. aluminum tube stand. It has lasted 36 years of near-constant use. The OSS in your review is a distant relative of the Ultimate- sadly Ultimate stopped making this style many years ago. The market leader for this type of stand today is Jaspers. I have the On-Stage Z stand, all steel, and an OSS desk. Both are extremely solid. I would pay for a more professional (durable) triple tier, but the cost cannot exceed the Jaspers cost. The other option for durable triple-tier stands is Standtastic. An interesting look at an oft-overlooked part of life for any multiple keyboard setup.
I really need a 3 keyboard stand!
Nice review, now I don’t own anymore any keyboard, except a very old one with a lot of flaws, because I can’t play anymore but when I owned a couple of keyboards I used frame tubes from steal. The same one used to make stands outside when a company paints a building. Very steady but not easy to transport. One thing I don’t understand. The horizontal tubes (beam) on this stand are round. Why not square? Then they don’t move and you don’t have to do difficult by trying to hold the round beam? And you are never going to get a plastic ring strong enough to hold something like 40 pounds on a single beam. That’s not the right way. Personally I like it when a stand I use can even hold my weight. Why? Because on stage you sometimes have to lean over you device to plug something in. That’s why. It needs to hold more then the weight of your keyboard. Thank you for sharing.
I think if they made the ends squared that might work well, but the middle might need to be round so the keyboards could adjust to the proper angle.
@@ThePianoforever yes, you’re right I didn’t think about the angle. But the ends could be squared. And what about the vertical tubes? Do they need to be round? I don’t think that’s really necessary or is it.
Good thing that keyboard didn't break when it fell over several times
I would never trust it to hold my Kawai ES110🎹🎶
The stand I meen🎹🎶
@ BENZ E340 If On-Stage made a series of high end keyboard stands people would buy them. I think people would gladly pay extra for a solid stand to protect their investment. We have other keyboards stands that are very solid, but only for one or two keyboards.
@@ThePianoforever yes that's true
The ES110 is geting bery clunky
So I don't think it's a good idea to put it on a stand where it might fall🎹🎶
what kind of stand would you recommend for Montage 8, P515, Kronos 88, Fantom 8 and a bunch more,
You were being very polite in your video. I got one, and it is a flimsy piece of crap. As you noted, the end knobs that hold the keyboard in place, too short. I'm glad it was missing pieces, or I might have kept it.
According to Roland the Fantom 7 is 51.1" wide and weighs 39lb's. This is a 73 key, Keyboard. Its also almost 14" wide which I think is to big of a Pro Kybd & expensive to place a Fantom7 Kybd on this stand. They also say the stand is 51" wide and the Fantom is 51.1" which I don't know if the width is even wide enough at a 73 key Kybd size. I would pay $250.00 to $350.00 if the stand was strong enough to hold me siting on it. Ps. I weigh 200 pounds. Still nothing beats my Ultimate Support stand which I still have 2 of from the 80's and are still going strong, just not wide enough for the newer & bigger Keyboards.
Thx ElectricEddie
Would it be possible to drill a hole through the T clamping brackets and the tubes and install a bolt and nut to prevent the tubes from rotating or coming out? This would be a cheap and easy fix.
There's a massive gap in the market for a STURDY and RIGID but still lightweight and versatile 3-tier A-frame. I've yet to find an A frame that I would put my expensive heavy keyboards on... If manufacturers were to replace the horrible plastic bits with metal then the problem would be solved.
this is the same stand design out in the 80s. nothings been changed at all. except they used to be grey aluminium and black, as soon as modern stands came out keys players switched over. if i remember correctly the plastic fittings wore out easy, haha
People were playing smaller keyboards back in the day Dx7's Junos etc so they did fit those smaller keyboards. anyone playing nan 88 key keyboards was using a sit down table style stand . after 3 decades im purchasing another A frame mostly for home studio use to be able to use the height i need, for mpc and multipads. great revioew tho,
Great video...On Stage should make something like a Jaspers via Thomann
How high is the bottom tier is from the ground? Is it’s height adjustable? Or can it be removed? I’m wondering if I can get this and still have something heavy at the bottom on a different stand
Great video! I just picked this stand up, and also based my decision on the listed weight ability. The 88 key weighted keyboard should be brace-able on the front and the back support tube. Yamaha CP88 is exactly the length of the tube itself, and does fit, but I don't trust the stand yet. It seems like enough weight is on the tube itself that it feels fairly stable. The CP88 IS 40lbs, so it seems like it would work. I also checked to see what the major issue is on the rotation. It's pretty clear with the locking slots that the rotation is able to push the main joint away with enough leverage. After wiggling the CP88 a bit I had to push the sides of the stand back together. I can see active playing causing this issue as well. I also tried a Roland V-Synth, and the weight is far enough back on it to cause the same rotation issue. It's only 30lbs, but it definitely needs bracing from the rear strut. Some other options would be if the adjustment pieces were either manufactured in something tougher like Nylon, or in Aluminum but sold independently as pairs. Then I could upgrade just the tiers that had the extra weight.
Since you asked what I would like, I wish I could get a reliable keyboard stand that would have an adjustable damper pedal clamp as part of the frame. It would eliminate the damper pedal travelling as I use it. Some manufacturers have it in wood, but that's not practical if you want to take your keyboard to a concert.
Hello what's the side width from the back of the leg to the front leg?
this is the exact video i needed to see before deciding on a keyboard stand
Hello between the Donner 20 and the Alesis pro which of the two reproduces the sound of the piano as faithfully as possible?
I have made reviews of both of them, go check them out :)
@@ThePianoforever ok
It's simple. Just scotch tape dowel rods to your keyboards, thus converting all three keyboards to keytars. You will rock and look better doing it.