I would love to see more ultras as well, but the investment is massive to just be able to produce a couple Ultralisk which at that time are easily overpowered by what the enemy has. You can see it in one of his ultra rushes, the ultras actually didn't do much, he had already won that game by the time they got involved.
Well, I agree with you, but the reason I am watching uThermal is that he makes crazy stuff happen. It might not be very rational to make ultras, but it is fun to watch@@IcariumGaming
@@vladislavkerdyashkin9120yeah it is what I enjoy about his videos as well. Before he did the PF rush series he gave it a few halfhearted attempts which he had won the game before the PF even got involved. Yet it ended up being one of his most successful series. I think if he commits to a series with Ultras, he could pull it off.
Love you Marc, just saw your pro matches on SC2HL channel and almost died laughing, idc if you win or not, the fun you bring to the game is just next level. Keep the good ones coming !!! :D
I play Protoss , thank you for your videos. Last week I started copying your cheese and I moved quickly from Platinum to diamond. and the most important Im having a lot of fun 😂.
Hey Mark, I got a creative cheese for you to try. Just make a huge spine/spore lurker forest to contain the enemy while sending endless locust waves to destroy the enemy!!!!
I love your vids because of the way you are so positive and able to play and talk all the way through. May I suggest you use more of your catch phrases like "You guys know me, I am crazy" and "Sorry, I don't want to sound mean, BUT..." Maybe I have missed it, I am still waiting for your 100K subscribers special! 😊
oh! just had an idea for a kind of cheese - maybe series; late-game cheeses, where you bank so much money that you can kill all your workers and get a 200 supply (or more as zerg) army! (don't know if feasible - but sounds so cool - e.g. 200 supply muta)
Guy did that to me in 2v, I was zerg, my ally a terran, same on the other side, we harassed the other terran into quitting, but the zerg came back with mass muta, quickly reaching 200 supply, using his allies workers, and pushed us both back into our respective mains. This was right after vipers came out, and parasitic bomb stacked vertically: I spammed out queens, hydra and spores, and built about 12 vipers (7 pb would kill any amount of light air, but you would inevitably lose several, and they barely scratched capital units), keeping them back, and hit him with every viper when he came in: he puckered, and I got to watch 200 supply of muta evaporate, lol.
Please do baeling drops as a chees strategy. Rarely done by pros. But mass baeling drops on all flanks and the mineral line were my favorite moments in tournaments!
What about a rush to Zerg attack speed? It's been forever since I've played SC2 but iirc that means you'd have to rush to hive tech so that might not be feasible. Or hell maybe a "melee units only" where you do lings and ultras? Queens are allowed though otherwise that would be too tough.
Basically when the supply is 14/14 Marc morphs two drones into extractors, orders two more drones, then cancels the extractors, getting the drones back and now has 16/14 drones
Here is crazy idea for a game: Infestors + proxy Nexus + some protoss units to supplement your army. I made it work in HotS and killed my opponent with Carriers, but then again it wasn't on GM level... I believe you can make it! Who if not you?
When you morph a drone into a building you free up a supply. He took 2 gasses so he could make 2 additional drones then he canceled 2 buildings he had 16 drones over 14 supply cap.
when drones morph into an extractor (gas) , they disappear from your supply, allowing you to build another drone. He cancels after he starts production of another drone, which is sort of a cheat to get him temporarily above the supply limit. If you look at the top right, you see it turn red.
As much as you hate it, please don't skip that first creep tumor between main and natural. Every time your queens are locked in one base a kitten cries cries
So, roaches to grand master. Roaches really excel against terran ground, and their upgraded form with bile can zone out various groups. Besides the normal creeo spread which is where zerg realyl shine, the roaches have some interseting regeneration power, in whihc only a super ocmputer can take advantage of, and a unique ability to burrow and go through the ground... However... using hte burrow function, wit ha few single roaches before an attack in a non scanned or turret area, you can have the tanks destroy the marines before you engage, and even the tanks... becasue the tanks... instant fire when you unburrow... A tactic not used to often is single roaches in terran lines. Only effective against tank marine... and even if they scan, and your roach is destroyed... it will if in position cause damage to marines.. and take neregy fomr medi vac and maybe some units killed... Kind of funny. If only bannelings had suc ha skill!! lol
because the 2 drones don't count as supply when they are building extractors. then he can queue up 2 more drones from larva - cancel extractors and BAM! over the current supply cap.
It was mathed out a long time ago that while it's a short term cost (8 minerals per extractor?) the earlier drones by not having to wait for your overlord pay for that cost and then some.
These cheeses are too basic, you need advanced cheese. Especially against the lower MMR players. Ultralisk drops. Spine crawler rush. 1 base mutas. Quickest possible Lurkers.
There just aren't a lot of zerg cheeses, proxy hatch\spine, which in it's current state, delays the natural at best, but if you drone up hard behind it it wont just cause you to just immediately lose the game. 6 pool was a cheese in wol, 12 pool not as good, t & p have plenty of time to wall against it. I used to do a sort of base-and-a-half muta rush against a 1 base roach all in, the limiting factor was actually minerals, if you saturated both gasses on the main early. Never really refined it but it worked pretty well if the guy was trying to expo behind it. Ah, burrowed infestors funging down a mineral line, good times! Protoss is truely the cheese race, the probe the most dangerous unit in the game: probe rush, cannon rush w\shield bat, proxy zealot\immortal\oracle\void, etc., Two kinds of mass recall... I used to do a prism cannon rush, you can make the cannons, proxy, whatever without having to wait for a pylon to complete. Nobody expects a cannon rush midgame, lol.
That ''Ops'' was hysterical.
indeed... LMFAO 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ending was hilarious... poor guy, been there.
21:20 Still a better wall than any AI could ever build in SC2.
I really want to see more ultralisks in your cheeses. I have a feeling they are so rare that nobody would expect them. And that they are underrated
I want to see more Hydras. They are the original flagship Zerg unit and got shafted in SC2
Totally agree@@cuddlecakes7153
I would love to see more ultras as well, but the investment is massive to just be able to produce a couple Ultralisk which at that time are easily overpowered by what the enemy has. You can see it in one of his ultra rushes, the ultras actually didn't do much, he had already won that game by the time they got involved.
Well, I agree with you, but the reason I am watching uThermal is that he makes crazy stuff happen. It might not be very rational to make ultras, but it is fun to watch@@IcariumGaming
@@vladislavkerdyashkin9120yeah it is what I enjoy about his videos as well. Before he did the PF rush series he gave it a few halfhearted attempts which he had won the game before the PF even got involved. Yet it ended up being one of his most successful series. I think if he commits to a series with Ultras, he could pull it off.
Uthermal: hmmm, he's not killing his evo yet, I should send some zerglinngs on patrol...
Everyone watching this video: dude, YOUR MAIN...
Love the banelings
Would love to see a broodlord rush
Only you could do it thermy
Love you Marc, just saw your pro matches on SC2HL channel and almost died laughing, idc if you win or not, the fun you bring to the game is just next level. Keep the good ones coming !!! :D
i love your channel... the best version of "loving your own art" ... keep doing the greatest sc2 content ever made
I play Protoss , thank you for your videos.
Last week I started copying your cheese and I moved quickly from
Platinum to diamond. and the most important Im having a lot of fun 😂.
Hey Mark, I got a creative cheese for you to try. Just make a huge spine/spore lurker forest to contain the enemy while sending endless locust waves to destroy the enemy!!!!
2nd was fire) Really gave that vibe "try out some of your own medicine" with thos proxy reapers)))))
I love your vids because of the way you are so positive and able to play and talk all the way through. May I suggest you use more of your catch phrases like "You guys know me, I am crazy" and "Sorry, I don't want to sound mean, BUT..." Maybe I have missed it, I am still waiting for your 100K subscribers special! 😊
I would buy a shirt with thermy saying a catch phrase
I want a big button I can push to just set out on my desk.
Silly Goose tshirt
@@enriquegarciacota3914 With a cartoon drawing of him having a goose bill, I'd pay for that.
Thanks mate
ops
I can confirm, ZvZ is just mass lings early on, and sometimes you're sneaky and mix a bane or two. If both survive long enough it turns to a muta war.
Thanks! Great video as always. Love the content and your voice overs are awesome.
Cheers! :D
That first game looked like a prime opportunity to go adrenal rush.
Incredible ending *chefs kiss* 😂😂😂
Lmao, “ops” leaves the game. I’m dying.
oh! just had an idea for a kind of cheese - maybe series; late-game cheeses, where you bank so much money that you can kill all your workers and get a 200 supply (or more as zerg) army! (don't know if feasible - but sounds so cool - e.g. 200 supply muta)
Guy did that to me in 2v, I was zerg, my ally a terran, same on the other side, we harassed the other terran into quitting, but the zerg came back with mass muta, quickly reaching 200 supply, using his allies workers, and pushed us both back into our respective mains.
This was right after vipers came out, and parasitic bomb stacked vertically: I spammed out queens, hydra and spores, and built about 12 vipers (7 pb would kill any amount of light air, but you would inevitably lose several, and they barely scratched capital units), keeping them back, and hit him with every viper when he came in: he puckered, and I got to watch 200 supply of muta evaporate, lol.
Please do baeling drops as a chees strategy. Rarely done by pros. But mass baeling drops on all flanks and the mineral line were my favorite moments in tournaments!
Looked at the thumbnail and already started laughing.
What about a rush to Zerg attack speed? It's been forever since I've played SC2 but iirc that means you'd have to rush to hive tech so that might not be feasible. Or hell maybe a "melee units only" where you do lings and ultras? Queens are allowed though otherwise that would be too tough.
21:00 "ops" lol 😄
I really love the Lurker cheeses.
"ops"
😂😂
“Oops”. Haha 😂 I can relate to that mistake.
"ops" hahahahaha made my day
That ending
Ops
Hahahahahha
love to see the busts like 2nd game, although I know is not the most original kind of cheese and you love your creative cheese
No warmup is definitely the Gigachad move
Seeing that avatar makes me want to say. I miss you, iNcontrol! Rip Jeff
Can someone please let me know what the vesphene gas extractor trick does?
Basically when the supply is 14/14 Marc morphs two drones into extractors, orders two more drones, then cancels the extractors, getting the drones back and now has 16/14 drones
Here is crazy idea for a game:
Infestors + proxy Nexus + some protoss units to supplement your army.
I made it work in HotS and killed my opponent with Carriers, but then again it wasn't on GM level...
I believe you can make it! Who if not you?
I trust you
Loving rhe daily videos! More pls!
where are the ultralisks that's promised?
Let's go!
18:30 this is true .
"Was I that suspicious?" - Guy whose name is the word cheese spelled backwards
Challenge: Swarm Hosts all in? If you have not done that yet.
Allowed queens for anti-air?
"Oops"
I have been there lol
Do you use a camera hotkey for your opponents natural?
Make Fastest Adrenal Glands possible! Or
Adrenal+2 rush with overlord-bane bombardment!!
Bro you really want to make me start learning this game... i am a Starcraft 1 player 😅
Thank you for saving me from league of legends
Hear me out - Infestor rush, into Infestor drops.
Round 1 enemy zerg got losing his mind
Round 2 terran outplayed because of lack of resources and losing workers
"oops" hjahaha
Burrow cheese would be nice to see.
baneling drop ?
"oops" :D
I’m not as good at this game but why did he cancel both the gasses at the beginning?
When you morph a drone into a building you free up a supply. He took 2 gasses so he could make 2 additional drones then he canceled 2 buildings he had 16 drones over 14 supply cap.
@@kozatas wow that’s pretty awesome. Thank you for explaining 🙏🏽🙏🏽
I can count all the way to fourth!
Building OP tier 1 units I guess counts as a cheese
I would like to see a baneling drop! fly them over and drop bombs...
Send the overlords and pray 😅
You're pretty decent at this game
You could also make 4 Extractors, right? Would be cheaper if you really wanted to... 😂
I can't believe it's not a wall..
Burrowed to grandmaster?
Why does he start with gas and cancel it right away?
when drones morph into an extractor (gas) , they disappear from your supply, allowing you to build another drone. He cancels after he starts production of another drone, which is sort of a cheat to get him temporarily above the supply limit. If you look at the top right, you see it turn red.
Ohhhh thank you!!! So smart!!@@markcornish6393
As much as you hate it, please don't skip that first creep tumor between main and natural. Every time your queens are locked in one base a kitten cries cries
Ops :D
So, roaches to grand master. Roaches really excel against terran ground, and their upgraded form with bile can zone out various groups.
Besides the normal creeo spread which is where zerg realyl shine, the roaches have some interseting regeneration power, in whihc only a super ocmputer can take advantage of, and a unique ability to burrow and go through the ground... However... using hte burrow function, wit ha few single roaches before an attack in a non scanned or turret area, you can have the tanks destroy the marines before you engage, and even the tanks... becasue the tanks... instant fire when you unburrow... A tactic not used to often is single roaches in terran lines. Only effective against tank marine... and even if they scan, and your roach is destroyed... it will if in position cause damage to marines.. and take neregy fomr medi vac and maybe some units killed... Kind of funny. If only bannelings had suc ha skill!! lol
need moar nydus swarmhost
7:30 "Might be a nydus!"
Doesn't check his fucking base, wtf?
rush hydras
So dumb question, why does he create 2 extractors to just cancel them?
Edit: Thank you everyone for the quick response!!
Workaround for the supply cap
because the 2 drones don't count as supply when they are building extractors. then he can queue up 2 more drones from larva - cancel extractors and BAM! over the current supply cap.
It was mathed out a long time ago that while it's a short term cost (8 minerals per extractor?) the earlier drones by not having to wait for your overlord pay for that cost and then some.
I’d love to see infestor cheese with infected marines
What year do you think it is?
Game 3 best not gg lol
These cheeses are too basic, you need advanced cheese. Especially against the lower MMR players.
Ultralisk drops.
Spine crawler rush.
1 base mutas.
Quickest possible Lurkers.
There just aren't a lot of zerg cheeses, proxy hatch\spine, which in it's current state, delays the natural at best, but if you drone up hard behind it it wont just cause you to just immediately lose the game.
6 pool was a cheese in wol, 12 pool not as good, t & p have plenty of time to wall against it.
I used to do a sort of base-and-a-half muta rush against a 1 base roach all in, the limiting factor was actually minerals, if you saturated both gasses on the main early. Never really refined it but it worked pretty well if the guy was trying to expo behind it.
Ah, burrowed infestors funging down a mineral line, good times!
Protoss is truely the cheese race, the probe the most dangerous unit in the game: probe rush, cannon rush w\shield bat, proxy zealot\immortal\oracle\void, etc., Two kinds of mass recall...
I used to do a prism cannon rush, you can make the cannons, proxy, whatever without having to wait for a pylon to complete.
Nobody expects a cannon rush midgame, lol.
7th
I must say, I'm not a big fan of the muta play in general and would prefer other transitions
second
eyyy first
Fifth
Let's go!
ops
Third
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