Cam (Dead Meat Podcast #37)
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- James and Chelsea review 2017's Cam, a Netflix exclusive horror about sex workers (written by a former sex worker!).
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"U Make Me Feel" by MK2
I always love that podcast intro.
“We are boyfriend and girlfriend and we like to get scared together” 😂
Cxdy omg I love your videos!! Fellow Dead Meat fan🤘🏼
Ikr I love when they say that
It’s a great intro because it tells them apart from other pods and I appreciate that. Very original
Better than merkmisic lol
Cxdy that’s like legit one of my favorite parts of every podcast. It’s so cute! I love James and Chelsea 😋
I really liked that Alice got right back to work too! I didn't see it as her "not learning anything" because - as you said - this isn't a cautionary tale against camming. It's more that she refused to be scared off or allow something she loves doing and does well to be stolen away from her.
People take issue with Lola not calling out married viewers interacting with her stream but, like, their marital issues are theirs, not hers. Just what can she do about it?
I think James' criticism of the nebulous explanation are pretty valid, but I also really agree with Chelsea's explanation too! It's so nice hearing such respectful, level-headed film discussion in a media landscape so dominated by absolutes.
Sara Shockey
I dunno if that message really works when you break your nose and risk dying to have a cam show.
@@WhaleManMan MJ Red The way I read it was this: Fake Lola stole Alice's account that she has put hundreds of hours to cultivate, and with it all of the income that she earns and lives off of. Fake Lola tells viewers she loves them, gives a walkthrough tour of Alice's home, and puts a picture of Alice's brother on video - breaking rules that Alice has in place for very real safety reasons. Alice is furious and wants this shit to end, and who could blame her?
If Alice shrugged and went and got a "normal job," Fake Lola would still be out there stealing her identity for money, doing anything viewers wanted, putting her and her loved ones in danger. I thought being willing to break her nose and delete her account was pretty brave of her in that respect, not selfish.
Yeah no this isn’t a work of art or anything
Sara Shockey the thing is, she can’t actually win because the top earners are bots. She’s not just doing it for money, she’s seemingly doing it to be the best but that’s a futile endeavor because not only are the top all fake, her acct is going to get stolen again if she gets popular. So it doesn’t work in the ending
Only a sith deals in absolutes.
It makes me happy to hear people say good things about Madeline Brewer. She's awesome. I got to work with her on a film a while back and she's a very sweet person that really deserves more attention in the industry.
Wait! You are an actor.
Mostly a behind the camera (art department mostly) kind of person but I did get roped into doing extra work on the film I'm talking about.
What film ??
It's called Still.
Ok thanks
Great podcast as always, but I especially love where you guys talked about the whole “society wants you to get a job, but then tries to decide whether you deserve to make money or not” bit. So true.
Chelsea and james talking about memes and vines feels like my parents trying to relate to me by dabbing, its so funny
chichikk me toooooooooo
It's impossible not to love Chelsea's voice
Chelsea would make a great audiobook reader if she were ever interested in doing that!
There is a nice warmness to her voice. Though she is a little heavy on the vocal fry.
She sounds like the animator shgurr
She sounds like afraid to speak
I disagree as it's the hardest thing for me. She has that I am always the victim leftist voice. I do like her but the voice and her views can get much at times. To be fair tho, I listen to a bunch of these at one time and it could be just fatigue and being overly critical.
21:42 nice save there Chelsea
Lucy trying to be a cam cat😂
i think lola’s rule about public shows is actually about doing shows in a public place, outside of her home (like a library) also her brother is probably also pissed because fake lola put a picture of him on screen and mentioned him by name
xharliei and his “friends” probably bully him about his sister now. I mean that whole thing happened on his birthday
I love your chemistry together
I find this more as a mystery thriller than a horror movie, but it’s horror elements are pretty terrifying.
it’s genres are thriller and physiological thriller. which essentially used to be a sub genre of horror (: i adore thrillers
I consider them the same thing tbh. Just because something doesn’t have buckets of blood that doesn’t mean it’s not horror.
Watching this episode years later during the rise in AI and deepfakes, this movie was kind of eerily accurate
I don't know why shadow banning isn't a thing on UA-cam yet, it means you can ban someone from a chat where they can still talk but no one will see what they say.
thats been a thing for a long time
I think the premise of the movie revolves around the idea of AI taking over the concept of deepfakes. Deepfakes is when people take all the pictures they can and Photoshop it on to a different video. So the fake Lola is basically an AI using deepfakes technology to become real Lola. Kind of shows you the horrors of the internet and how technology can grow to be harmful. And the ending she explains that if she gets copies again then she'll just make a new account with a different persona. Her intentions could be that she wants to cover the site with all her accounts.
My grandma says that firemen thing all the time! She always tells me to make sure I shower before bed and wear "clean drawers" so if an emergency happens, I won't be embarrassed.
I’ve had some doubts about this movie but I always watch the movies before the podcast so I did and I liked it
same, movie was noice
@@gone1933 noice?!! B99 😻😻
Yay! I’m happy you guys liked this movie and I knew you’d have this view on it(being that sex work is still a very valid profession that should be respected). I think it’s hard for a lot of people to understand the point of the film because of all the negative stereotypes we have about that kind of work. I commented on FoundFlix video saying the same thing, imagine it being a UA-camr.
And I agree, I think the explanation was a little unsatisfying but at the same time, I guess it’s really not the point. I almost considered it some sort of manifestation of what Alice would become online if she continued to stray from her rules(like doing the vibatron show). She would make it to the top but it wouldn’t really be her anymore and she’d lose control of what she liked doing(which is creative and fun shows). If that makes any sense.
And I feel like the ending seen where she breaks her nose was to show the audience that she was an authentic person but the fake Lola was just that, fake(with her digital scars). And I think it almost taught Alice to be herself and stick to what she believes in because that’s what her audience liked about her.
Jama Jama couldn’t have said it better myself
Damn
Valid profession?? Not at all.
Jama Jama yes I think being a UA-camr is a valid profession because they put work into editing and budgeting videos, taking many hours. All sex cam workers do is wear something sexy, and do random sexual shit. No editing involved. But just my opinion.
Andrew M fair enough. It is your opinion. I don’t know anything about working as a cam person but the character in this movie seems to put a lot of work into what she does. I don’t see it any different than being a performer for some type of show(maybe a singer or comedian). She buys the costumes and props,plans and then puts on the show all on her own. I don’t think editing determines whether it is actual work or not.(not to undermine those who do edit their work, I’ve watched James edit and I know him and his assistant editors work really hard on the kill counts).
There are of course cam people who just turn on the camera and start talking or taking their clothes off but there are UA-camrs who just vlog their day and upload what they have. It just seems very similar to me, it’s still a job.
But I’ll agree to disagree😁
Absolute favourite Dead Meat quote : “so she’s me as a cam girl?” love it haha
i watched a couple other content creators talk about this movie and from their criticism i thought maybe there wasn't much to it, but after listening to this podcast and hearing chelsea's thoughts and the tidbits about the writer (which somehow never came up in other videos) i really want to watch it now! as always i appreciate yalls thoughtful commentary!
I see myself behind Chelsea
Ello wyd?
@@autumnsylvester4975 there's a Freddy Krueger doll behind her
You should take Chelsea out on a date!
I’m sure James wouldn’t mind just one night.
:/
Ahhhh okay okay I'm slow but I see what you did there
Didn’t expect a podcast on this movie
thank you for bringing up tumblr! When I was involved in sex work I was based solely on tumblr because live work wasn't safe for me, a lot of my friends are losing a source of clients because of this. I personally stopped because of the affect it was having on my irl relationships and threats that were being thrown around, but this bs with tumblr could ruin careers. It's scary.
I really like how Chelsea points out that the things that happened to Lola could have happened to a UA-camr. I never really got the sense that the movie is trying to say "this is what being a cam girl is" I always felt like the movie was saying this is who Lola is, and in Lola's view I think she does view her work as very similar to what a UA-camr does. And I also find it interesting how Lola only sees her cam work as violating is when she's no longer in control of it. Even before fake Lola isn't breaking Lola's rules (even when fake Lola is upping Lola's viewers), it still really upsets Lola that she's not in control of it. Which is interesting in an age where so much is online but where people also tend to have this mentality of "if its on the net it's your fault if other people take it" (a tone actually voiced during the movie as Lola tries to get help). And I'd imagine that that is actually something UA-camrs also have to deal with (though maybe not as much as cam girls).
11:20 recently watched this movie for myself and I felt this. The scene where she answers the door in her cam clothes and then frantically covers up, I forgot she was even in any kind of compromising clothes because it had felt so comfortable so far. Just normal. I didn't realize she was even 'indecent' until she covered up.
I really like that the characters are not traditionally sexualized. It's a very realistic depiction of sex work. This movie is underrated for that and many other reasons.
Does anyone think all this happened because she faked her death? I didn't watch the movie so might be a dumb question but seems like if the cloning algorithm thought she was dead then it could've started making her copy automatically.
Hey I'm glad you reviewed this movie, I really liked it until the ending. I think the "No Public Shows" rule refers to her refusal to due shows in public, not putting them behind a pay way as you suggested. There's sort of a call back to this when her double is doing shows in the library.
A movie series he should do is the Final Destination series
@Gael Policano Rossi Oh well then
He should do the Wrong Turn series
It's got plenty of violence gore and sex scenes
@@ksoundkaiju9256 also already a podcast, but he will probably do a KC on the movie sometime
James wanted to, but more people wanted Saw. So FD got postponed until... Later.
it’s staaarted
I really like how Alice/Lola is caring more about how she can solve it for herself and not worry about trying to kill or destroy it and have it be the end of it for other girls
Also it kinda reminds me of It Follows and how Jay just wanted it to stop and didn’t want to find the source of it and how it all began
Maybe you guys could ask foudflix he was able to show some clips in his ending explained
Man, that intro is going to be iconic later on down the road.
Also, so close to 2 million subs!!!!
I'm in the middle of watching "Cam" and I really enjoy it so far. I thought it was a parallel of "Perfect Blue," which is another favorite of mine.
Me too! The visual aesthetics reminded me a lot of Perfect Blue in addition to the film's lead experiencing an identity crisis through the internet.
You are correct Chelsea, "sex worker" is a general term and not just a colloquial euphemism for "prostitute."
Wow. After listening to this episode of the podcast, I really appreciate the angle this movie is coming from.
She's a camgirl, loves being a camgirl, and it seems like the movie is really lax with how she's presented instead of constantly repeating how "wrong" it is to be a sex worker.
Despite being a horror movie, I feel like the environment of the characters and their relationships is really loose and relaxed and I think that's super cool. She has a loving relationship with her mother and even her brother approves of it.
Very interesting to come back to this podcast and the idea of "nothing can replace a real person" in 2024 in the age of AI. Suddenly doesn't feel nearly so farfetched just 5 years later...
It’s my daughter’s nap time and i couldn’t be more pumped! (Besides me and my hubby you guys are my favorite couple!)
Mega lady crush on Chelsea! You’re so talented!
I think the stalking incident that you guys were thinking of was when Meg Turney and Gavin Free got their house broken into, and the stalker wanted to murder Gavin so he could be with Meg? It's truly terrifying how obsessed people become with online personalities!
Man I so appreciate when Lucy comes in sits right in front of the camera and just looks into space 😂 reminds me of my kitty
Having done online sex work before, hearing the synopsis of this movie is just making me screaaaaam. The thought of reaching the top 50 and then immediately losing it....EARUGH.
Same here & I kno right!!!?
Found Flix and Dead Meat need to do a Podcast together.
I'm watching in 2024 and Chelsea literally described the movie Influencer years before it was made
Not gonna lie - I live for the Lucy camera appearances.
My favorite thing to play while I'm studying. Thanks for another episode :)
I always thought the movie was about addiction to the internet. This stream really opened my eyes.
Haha, I've been going through all of the Drunk Disney videos, and man, it's amazing to see how much you guys have grown since then.
I literally JUST finished listening to this episode on Spotify!
thank u James and thank you Chelsea. I thoroughly enjoy this channel and can't wait for ANY new vids lol I'm picky about my UA-cam channels so believe me when I say ....I really, REALLY look forward to watching these podcasts. 😁and I appreciate the hard work that I can imagine goes into editing and creating these videos.
Definitely same here.
I liked Chelsea's explanation of the resolution and the movie's meaning! Very well put!
Hahaha, I love Lucy's slow entrance into view at 18:15.
31:23 "this movie could of been about a UA-camr" My mind be like the new name for the movie "tube" Then I rethinked life decisions
I love all the Lucy in this video!
I’m excited to hear their take on this! I found it exciting until the very end, and after that it was really anticlimactic. It’s a thriller and you don’t know what’s happening, you discover there’s dead stars and you wonder if the main girl will die, but then it just ends? Everything is just fine?
I agree with them! We never really know what’s going on, they never answer it!
I like how you’ll spoil everything except for Breaking Bad 😂
Decided to watch Cam and the movie gradually turns towards to Black Mirror territory. Which is a good thing, Black Mirror is amazing! Not surprised either because this is a Netflix movie after all. This is the second time where I had to stop myself from listening to the podcast so that I could go watch the film. It's one of the reasons why I keep coming back for more; and of course, to hear a now married couple get scared together
You handled this topic so well and respectfully
I do agree with Chelsea about the monkey see monkey do scene. 100% she was more authentic that’s why she beat it. I’m so glad you guys like this movie too. I was a bit let down by the 3rd act stuff but it was a fun ride. And i highly recommended it to my friends. The colors were beautiful. And i felt connected to the main character.
CANT WAIT for next week. I hope you guys have a great holiday vacation! We will miss you!
One of my favorite podcasts
I love the Billy with the santa hat
Man relistening to this after the rise of deep fakes and AI p*rn is eery and so scary and i think this film was ahead of its time when commentating on that
25:30 are they talking about Meg Turney? Shes a cosplay/lingerie model and has a boyfriend who is also an internet celebrity, they had a fan of hers break into their home >~
They were talking about Meg Turney. Meg did do UA-cam and Twitch streams for a while until the incident. Scary stuff, man.
Yeah, Meg and Gav. Poor things.
I just watched this movie on Sunday, so this is perfect timing
Not sure if this helps for editing clips into the podcast, but if you download the Netflix app you are able to download films and TV shows to your device/computer/etc.
It’s weird seeing your takes on the “digitally created” person and how unlikely it is, where now we have AI and that absolutely happens
This is great! I just got done watching all of the other dead meat podcasts last night! Thanks for all the all hardwork!
Foundlix did a video on this movie that had a lot of shaming in it and it was so disappointing. Glad to see you guys really empathized and understood the story
Please do a kill count on overlord when it comes out on DVD.
The Anime that would be nice a lot of deaths there
@@Siegberg91 I'm not talking about the anime I'm talking about the movie. Smh. It's not even related.
@@gustav2398 i know just doings adds for Anime ;) was the movie good only seen trailers.
@@Siegberg91 oh sorry. The movie was really good! it had the perfect amount of action, horror, and Gore. It was a really fun movie to watch.
This is the only podcast I fully watch
I went and watched Cam and I nearly threw up from the special effects
Its amazing
Also 45:50 i was too pissed at the kid to realize that fake lola broke the rules
Chelsea has an extremely soothing voice.
The face replacement thing they were referring to is called deep fakes if anyone was interested in face replacement videos. Pretty interesting.
I was so sad when i couldn't get Suspiria from anywhere (I live in finland and it wasn't anywhere) but now it came to finnish netflix i can finally watch it!!
Could you do Soylent Green? I know that it's technically not a horror movie, but I can't think of anyway it's not scary. Kill count that shit.
Can you do a kill counts on all the wrong turn movies pls
good podcast, you guys have such natural chemistry. I feel like I'm chilling in a room with some friends discussing this with them, or in this case, listening to them discuss it.
Side note though, I looove your hair! The color and the style compliment you so well!
Keep up the content.
Also, as someone with some sex work past and friends still in the field, your commentary is much appreciated and understanding.
I saw this movie at the Fantasia Film Festival this past summer in Montreal as well and the director and writer were both there. They definitely talked at length about the colour grading and about wanting the cam life and the regular life to be visually distinct, and apparently the colours for the cam life scenes were pretty tough on the eyes haha. I agree with everything you guys said about this movie and I was really disappointed with the complete lack of explanation for wtf is happening.
It seems to me like the "thing" that pretends to be Lola is meant to be a simulacra of sorts. (Simulacra are creatures thats can perfectly replicate a living being , the most know instance of them in media would be the game "Simulacra" which uses it in a technological way that basically sets up a mythos for the creatures existing within the internet/another universe that can be viewed through the internet.) It seems like the movie either took inspiration from their mythos or inteded to depict the alternate lola as a simulacra (if that's true then idk why they never stated that explicitly tho).
I may have gotten some of the specifics wrong about simulacra, but I did find out that they are named for the word simulacrum which means ,A representation or imitation of a person or thing. So thats kinda interesting.
That would explain why the creature has no physical form what is strange is that the copy can not see itself in her maybe she is more of a sucubus which can get in her dreams that would explain why she can see her home a sucubus has the bonus that they look like the people want them to look
i was looking for this comment!!! when james said it wasn't realistic all i could think of was how realistic simulacra made this
Literally just watched the movie so I could watch this after. Idk why I thought y'all wouldnt be into it - happy you were, it was a wild movie! ♥️
Do “Hills have eyes” It’s great for the kill count and its perfect for what a real scary movie should be!
I’m glad you guys enjoyed it. I really liked this movie but lots of people just put it down
the guy who played tinker was on the kill count before in the first purge as one of the guys who conducts and endorses the purge
love that overlook hotel 1921 group behind you there, james
You guys make me so happy! So glad you reviewed this movie! It was so interesting!
Crazy how the plot of this movie has only gotten more plausible
speaking of the use of color in horror movies, would y’all ever do perfect blue ?
Thanks for the video guys I had a really bad day yesterday so thanks a lot
Love it! I’ve been watching since Friday 4 and this is by far my favorite podcast
you could always screen record the clips on your laptop ?? slightly less dubious than torrenting at least
also yeah sexwork is any work that’s based on sex, so it includes camgirls, pornstars, strippers, etc
when i watched the movie i interpreted "public shows" as shows IN public rather than it being online for anyone to see. either way it makes sense, but it seems more in character for her to be against doing shows in public (and makes the bday scene x10 worse). just what i got from it though!
I thought that’s what she meant too
Almost 2 million subs James, keep it up
This just made me think of Conventional it’s a short film with Karen Gillan. Definitely check it out. It’s about a has been horror Star who’s just grasping into the brief stardom she had by doing anything for an ounce of attention
25:40 99% sure they talkin bout gavin free and meg turney. A stalker of meg turney broke into their house in the middle of the night with the intent to kill gavin. Luckily he failed and was I think killed by police that arrived to the scene shortly after the break in. Absolutely horrifying
Hey James, Silence Of The Lambs And The Shining Are Two Of My Favorite Movies! And I Love Your Editing Style And Jokes And Overall Aesthetic, So I Was Wondering If You Could Do Kill Counts On Them. The Shining Only Has 1 On Screen Outright Murder, But You Could Probably Count Jack And Both Grady Twins Since We See How They Die And Their Corpses, That Makes 4 And Cujo Had Four, So That’s Why I Think You Should Do It, And Silence Of The Lambs Is Just Full Of Kills. I Just Love The Way You Cover Movies And I Just Wanna See Some Of My Favorites Covered By My Favorite UA-camr
Hoboy, wished that Netflix would have same stuff around the globe but nope. Have to wait to see this movie, even if it sounds like maybe not my thing as theme feels heavy. I love your podcast and you are very nice couple and your voices are very easy for the ear, very good "readers" (don't know if there a real term for it). My hubby hasn't actively listened any of your videos or watched kill-counts, but now he keeps checking my monitor everytime he hears either of your voices, but especially when hearing both of you. :) Have a nice holiday season, waiting for more videos and podcasts before you couple take break. You deserve it, as your research and quality of the program is very very good!
I enjoyed this thanks for the entertainment before bed.
Chelsea has the cutest voice.
Watched it just for this! Good movie, never quite was so tempted to be a cam girl till now haha.
I usually agree with you guys but I did not like this movie at all. The protagonist didn't learn anything in the end and I thought she was really hard to root for. To be clear not because she was doing cam work but just the way she treats her mom and the fact that she's always trying to pursue "fame"/notoriety.
Isaac Kangas I respectfully disagree. She learned how to talk to her mom about her life honestly, and decided to do camming at the end because it’s what she loves to do for work (a type of work that inherently requires you to work for a type of popularity/fame). I think it’s clear that fame wasn’t as important to her as her reclaiming her identity/sexual consent due to the fact that she physically broke her nose so she could delete her account she worked so hard for. I loved that the resolve was her getting closer to her mom through honesty and getting rid of her shame of sex work. (This movie was super accurate btw. I’m a current gay cam model and can relate)
@@ethanwilkins5001 Respect, your using what was given to you at birth to make money which IMO is pretty smart.
@@ethanwilkins5001 I think you bring up some really good points but I still do think that there's plot issues at the end. In the end she decides to delete her account because it got taken over by a bot but she didn't solve that problem. Like she didn't delete the program or anything, it's still out there taking over accouts on this website. Furthermore she didn't even really expose this program on a bigger level to the news or tell other cam girls who are climbing up the ranks themselves. I thought the movie implied that someone might be killing these girls once they can take over their accounts so is she just neglecting to inform these girls of this life threatening shadow program? It just feels like nothing was learned. At the end she starts another account on the same cam website to try and move up the ranks again but what happens when she gets to the top again? Will the same thing with the bots happen? What's to stop them? Idk, I respect your opinion but the whole movie just felt like it had major loose ends that made the plot feel a little redundant.
@@isaackangas6921 have not seen this movie but by the way you describe it it sounds alot like a game called simulacra (which I only know bout through jacksepticeye's playthrough)
honestly i think that was the final theme of the movie: She puts on a new wig and is back at it. Learning nothing.
67 comment, James you are the best UA-camr ever and I hope you continue to make videos, keep up the work! 💯
Love your shirt James! Where can I get it? I am super cereal! I need to have Fun At Camp!
First solid Netflix flick I've seen.