Excellent show as always, gents. I can't agree with your take on the potential time violation commentary mention on Gannon's 3rd shot on 18. There are 2 issues here: 1) the commentary and 2) enforcing the rules. For the commentary, Philo mentioned it, but he and Ian didn't "ruin" the experience with their quick mention - they built up the excitement, possible scenarios and other factors just fine. It was an incredibly exciting moment in the tournament. Their mention added a dimension of interest that no one was thinking about - which is something commentators SHOULD do. As for enforcing the rules, all of us have complained a thousand times in other tournaments when time violations weren't enforced. "We have to enforce the rules!" etc. I'm sorry but it DOESN'T MATTER whether it's Gannon's difficult 3rd shot out of the bushes to get close on 18 to win an Elite series, or a regular old nobody circle 2 putt in round 1. The agreed rule is the agreed rule. (Btw Hailey's foot fault call on Missy is totally unrelated even though it also happened on the final hole.) I don't think Gannon WAS out of time, but if a player thought he was and had called it, guess what, there would have been, and rightly should have been, a time violation warning. Even though it was Gannon (top player in the world) and it's on a difficult position and shot on the final hole of a major. Actually, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE it was a really important shot on the final hole, the rules should be enforced - that's when you NEED the rules the most. If that happened, some people of course would cry out: "How can you do that to Gannon?!?! Gannon's the best player in the world!!" and there would be a shun/hate campaign against the players who called it. But guess what, it doesn't matter who it is, rules are not for certain people or certain times. Anyone who doesn't agree, you have to answer this: How are players, the TD, or anyone else going to decide when a rule is enforceable or not?
When is it ok to enforce the rules of disc golf? You’re saying don’t call a time violation: A) at the end of rounds B) When the lie is tricky C) and shot is important
I simultaneously agree and completely disagree with Charlie about the time violation issue. I totally get that if people aren't violating time rules on the regular, that it's nice to give them extra time in tricky or big situations. Two problems with that though. 1. Gannon, despite getting better with time, is a serial violator of time rules. One of the worst out there. So he doesn't qualify for that extra time in my book. Still, is anyone calling it? Probably not. I don't mind a commentator mentioning that there are time rules when someone is always breaking them and occasionally people are calling it. It would have been a warning. 2. Even though I agree that under certain circumstances people should get more time, those situations are too vague to work into the rules, so what we are saying is just enforce the rule subjectively in the moment. Either go back to never calling any time violations or accept that they will apply all the time. Maybe you could change the rule to only apply on the tee and inside circle 2 and then 60 seconds for everything else, but it would be impossible to distinguish between normal fairway / approach shots and tricky ones and it would slow pace of play a lot. Also, you got yourself into that tricky situation because you threw a bad shot. No sympathy for the devil.
30-second clock makes no sense, now there are timeouts? If there is no actual countdown timer for spectators &/or viewers to see there should not be a shot clock.
You guys got the sequence of events wrong on 17 thereby missing the context for each shot/decision by Luke and Gannon. You got to get that right to talk intelligently about what happened.
Rules in disc golf are a joke and it's holding the sport back. The 30 second rule isn't perfect, but posturing that it would be psychotic if Gannon got called for violating the rule, which he was doing is some wildly off the mark hyperbole. Rules need to be called with the same prejudice whether it's round 1 hole 1 throw 1 or the final putt of a major. Otherwise, they're not being fairly applied and we should just throw out the entire thing. Why are cardmates expected to be punished by waiting longer for their turn to throw just because a competitor made an error on the prior throw and put themselves into a bad position? At what point do disc golfers actually have to get punished for their mistakes and take their medicine? When are golfers supposed to actually start studying these courses better so they're prepared for these situations on game day? In ball golf the golfers and caddy's have studied approaches and putts from every angle, accounting for every variable. Gannon getting extra time was an advantage in his favor that wasn't deserved.
Philo anD Ian are the worst commentators and the absolute worse duo. Please for all that’s holy stop having them commentate! I can’t stand listening to them and have a hard time deciding to even watch or not when it’s them and it’s them waaaaaaaaay to often!!!!
Excellent show as always, gents. I can't agree with your take on the potential time violation commentary mention on Gannon's 3rd shot on 18. There are 2 issues here: 1) the commentary and 2) enforcing the rules. For the commentary, Philo mentioned it, but he and Ian didn't "ruin" the experience with their quick mention - they built up the excitement, possible scenarios and other factors just fine. It was an incredibly exciting moment in the tournament. Their mention added a dimension of interest that no one was thinking about - which is something commentators SHOULD do. As for enforcing the rules, all of us have complained a thousand times in other tournaments when time violations weren't enforced. "We have to enforce the rules!" etc. I'm sorry but it DOESN'T MATTER whether it's Gannon's difficult 3rd shot out of the bushes to get close on 18 to win an Elite series, or a regular old nobody circle 2 putt in round 1. The agreed rule is the agreed rule. (Btw Hailey's foot fault call on Missy is totally unrelated even though it also happened on the final hole.) I don't think Gannon WAS out of time, but if a player thought he was and had called it, guess what, there would have been, and rightly should have been, a time violation warning. Even though it was Gannon (top player in the world) and it's on a difficult position and shot on the final hole of a major. Actually, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE it was a really important shot on the final hole, the rules should be enforced - that's when you NEED the rules the most. If that happened, some people of course would cry out: "How can you do that to Gannon?!?! Gannon's the best player in the world!!" and there would be a shun/hate campaign against the players who called it. But guess what, it doesn't matter who it is, rules are not for certain people or certain times. Anyone who doesn't agree, you have to answer this: How are players, the TD, or anyone else going to decide when a rule is enforceable or not?
I would like to see something similar to the PGA's "Out of Position" pace rule for a card, instead of an arbitrary 30-second shot clock.
I've said it for 2 years. Holyn will be the next number 1. It's just a matter of when.
When is it ok to enforce the rules of disc golf? You’re saying don’t call a time violation:
A) at the end of rounds
B) When the lie is tricky
C) and shot is important
Great question. I completely hauled off on that question in my comment above. 👊🏼
I simultaneously agree and completely disagree with Charlie about the time violation issue. I totally get that if people aren't violating time rules on the regular, that it's nice to give them extra time in tricky or big situations. Two problems with that though. 1. Gannon, despite getting better with time, is a serial violator of time rules. One of the worst out there. So he doesn't qualify for that extra time in my book. Still, is anyone calling it? Probably not. I don't mind a commentator mentioning that there are time rules when someone is always breaking them and occasionally people are calling it. It would have been a warning. 2. Even though I agree that under certain circumstances people should get more time, those situations are too vague to work into the rules, so what we are saying is just enforce the rule subjectively in the moment. Either go back to never calling any time violations or accept that they will apply all the time. Maybe you could change the rule to only apply on the tee and inside circle 2 and then 60 seconds for everything else, but it would be impossible to distinguish between normal fairway / approach shots and tricky ones and it would slow pace of play a lot. Also, you got yourself into that tricky situation because you threw a bad shot. No sympathy for the devil.
Doss shot closer to 1012 didn't he? Not to nitpick but it's even better than 1000.
PDGA Live shows a 1006 event rating.
@@jeffhemmerling6088 Fair enough. Must have been looking at it wrong.
30-second clock makes no sense, now there are timeouts? If there is no actual countdown timer for spectators &/or viewers to see there should not be a shot clock.
Thank you!
A new video record... it only takes till @10:30 for Charlie to start making the case that the rules don't matter.... OMG.
Love Charlie but Yes!
100% agree on your take on the time violation and the booth commentary. Just adding that I thought the entire lead card received a warning for time?
You guys got the sequence of events wrong on 17 thereby missing the context for each shot/decision by Luke and Gannon. You got to get that right to talk intelligently about what happened.
Rules in disc golf are a joke and it's holding the sport back. The 30 second rule isn't perfect, but posturing that it would be psychotic if Gannon got called for violating the rule, which he was doing is some wildly off the mark hyperbole. Rules need to be called with the same prejudice whether it's round 1 hole 1 throw 1 or the final putt of a major. Otherwise, they're not being fairly applied and we should just throw out the entire thing.
Why are cardmates expected to be punished by waiting longer for their turn to throw just because a competitor made an error on the prior throw and put themselves into a bad position? At what point do disc golfers actually have to get punished for their mistakes and take their medicine? When are golfers supposed to actually start studying these courses better so they're prepared for these situations on game day? In ball golf the golfers and caddy's have studied approaches and putts from every angle, accounting for every variable.
Gannon getting extra time was an advantage in his favor that wasn't deserved.
I think we all can agree on the Ian and Philo are the worst commentary duo.
Give me aaaaanybody else tbh.
Philo anD Ian are the worst commentators and the absolute worse duo. Please for all that’s holy stop having them commentate! I can’t stand listening to them and have a hard time deciding to even watch or not when it’s them and it’s them waaaaaaaaay to often!!!!