A good point about the duplicated edits but the problem with applying noise reduction first is that some later edits like clarity and sharpening will amplify noise, so I tend to now just apply general edits first like exposure. I have also found that Photoshop does a much cleaner job of sharpening so having done the denoise in LR I then apply sharpness in Photoshop using smart sharpen.
Thanks for the comment. Photoshop absolutely does do a better job for sharpening, and that’s a topic I have lined up for a future video. I think there is a lot of benefit by sharpening in photoshop with better tools.
Adobe clearly indicates : We recommend to Denoise your image before applying other tools, including AI masks and Content-Aware, as using Enhance might change the result of the tools used. Once the image has been enhanced with Denoise or Super Resolution, it can't be processed again. However, enhanced Raw Details DNGs can be processed with Denoise.
Very useful tutorial, thank you. I do not wonder any more why processing a single image (containing different layers, spot removal etc.) took me 6 minutes on excellent hardware.
Great look at LR Denoise. I haven't tried it yet because I have been using Topaz Photo AI but I like the idea of beginning the edit with LR Denoise. Cleaning up the noise very early just makes more sense to me than doing it mid-way through. Thanks Mark.
Thanks for the comment Philip. Photo AI is also great, I use it a lot. I DEFINITELY recommend cleaning up the noise in the beginning, just so many good benefits. How do you find Photo AI?
It usually does a good job on the noise but over-sharpens the image, at least to my taste. Fortunately, I can dial the sharpening back a bit and it usually works. I like to use clarity in LR later in my workflow and if I don't cut back on Photo AI sharpening before getting back into LR, it gets too crunchy.
Great advice. What about sharpening? I used to apply denoise and sharpening later in my workflow but now with the new Lightroom denoise tool, I also do it early. Should I bring my image in Sharpen AI then or wait later in my workflow? Thank you.
Hi Francois, thanks for the comment. I would apply sharpening right at the end of the edit. Apply DENOISE AI in Lightroom early, do all the editing, do further processing in Photoshop if needed, and then sharpen right at the end. In my video I posted today I speak about sharpening and the problem it can cause if you do it early before other processing.
I certainly understand the best approach to reducing noise early in the develop workflow. Do you know if the Lightroom Super Resolution option also behaves the same way, i.e., it enlarges the file, then applies any Lightroom Develop actions? Does it make a difference when in the process I use the Super Resolution option?
Hi Mark. Thank you for another timely video. Being aware of what happens when we use Lightroom AI DeNoise after making some edits in Lightroom, would you suggest that we begin by using Lightroom AI DeNoise on a virtual copy of a raw file at the beginning of the edit? That way if something goes wrong during DeNoiseing we can just delete that virtual copy and start over. Also, does this affect quick edits like cropping and white balance? Or just more intensive edits using masks etc.?
Hi Garnet, thanks for the comment. You don’t need to use a virtual copy. The initial file will remain completely untouched, it will never be altered and when you run DENOISE, it creates a separate DNG file anyway, so you can always delete that DNG file and go back to the initial RAW file.
DENOISE will ignore everything. Cropping doesn’t change the RAW file at all, you can always undo that and when Lightroom copies over the edit which will include the Crop, you can adjust that crop back to the original full frame format.
My pleasure. I would turn down the amount of DENOISE if it makes humans too AI like. That’s a tricky one to deal with that I have no experience with, my subjects are more grizzly 😊
My Mac is about 10 years old but typically works fine but this denoise feature isn't working in my LR. It always says estimated time 50 minutes :(:(:(. Can any guide me on if there is a way to fix that?
Hi @melissahall7009 unfortunately there is no fix for older machines as far as I know. I’m not really a technical computer kind of person. Anyone reading this comment able to shed some light on Melissa’s comment?
I can only assume Lightroom doesn’t support those files. So strange though because I would think Lightroom would support all Raw files. Is the camera very old?
@@MarkDumbleton its a 2015. It does everything great but that one feature. Even though I’ve wiped everything except Photoshop and Lightroom it’s still does it. I’m not going to upgrade computers just to use denoise though. I’ll do without for a little while longer.
Hey Guys! anyone else has experienced longer denoise rendering times? I was editing some photos and for instance 50-100 Photos of denoise took me like 30 minutes, but suddenly it takes almost up to 2-3 hours and I dont know why it is like that right now, maybe some of you have an clue whats the issue is since I found nothing on the internet lol cheers!
I’m not technically knowledgable as to exactly why, but a lot depends on the processing power of your computer. The AI DENOISE is very intensive on the processing ability of your machine.
Personally I try not to use the AI Denoise in Lightroom. Waiting 5-15 minutes for it to finish applying the Denoise, when I can do the same in seconds manually is a waste of time. It’s like going back to the 80’s and popping to kitchen to make a drink while waiting for a game to load on the computer.
Thanks for the feedback. Lightroom is quite slow on older machines when it comes to this AI DENOISE. Would you mind sharing the way you do this manually? I would love to know as I only use the AI DENOISE.
@@MarkDumbleton My machine isn’t exactly a slouch when it comes to speed, but the AI Denoise takes far too long in my opinion. What works for me, on 90% of images, is to drag the Luminance slider to 50, and then the Detail slider directly under it towards 100, until you’re happy with the result. This won’t work on Astro photography unfortunately, you need to play with the sliders a little more, including the Color and the Detail slider under that. Hope this helps.
Excellent video; you are a very clear teacher, Mark.
I appreciate that a lot, thanks so much!
A good point about the duplicated edits but the problem with applying noise reduction first is that some later edits like clarity and sharpening will amplify noise, so I tend to now just apply general edits first like exposure. I have also found that Photoshop does a much cleaner job of sharpening so having done the denoise in LR I then apply sharpness in Photoshop using smart sharpen.
Thanks for the comment. Photoshop absolutely does do a better job for sharpening, and that’s a topic I have lined up for a future video. I think there is a lot of benefit by sharpening in photoshop with better tools.
Adobe clearly indicates : We recommend to Denoise your image before applying other tools, including AI masks and Content-Aware, as using Enhance might change the result of the tools used.
Once the image has been enhanced with Denoise or Super Resolution, it can't be processed again. However, enhanced Raw Details DNGs can be processed with Denoise.
Thanks for this information.
Excellent video, thanks for that major info!
My pleasure, thanks for watching.
Great info. Thanks for sharing Mark. Another great video.
Thanks a lot for the comment Kobus and thanks for watching. Appreciate it!
You had some useful information when so many videos are exactly the same with not testing. Thanks
Thank you for the feedback. Much appreciated!
Very useful tutorial, thank you. I do not wonder any more why processing a single image (containing different layers, spot removal etc.) took me 6 minutes on excellent hardware.
Appreciate it a lot. Thanks for the comment 😊👍🏻
Excellent, thanks
My pleasure, thanks for the comment.
Great look at LR Denoise. I haven't tried it yet because I have been using Topaz Photo AI but I like the idea of beginning the edit with LR Denoise. Cleaning up the noise very early just makes more sense to me than doing it mid-way through. Thanks Mark.
Thanks for the comment Philip. Photo AI is also great, I use it a lot. I DEFINITELY recommend cleaning up the noise in the beginning, just so many good benefits. How do you find Photo AI?
It usually does a good job on the noise but over-sharpens the image, at least to my taste. Fortunately, I can dial the sharpening back a bit and it usually works. I like to use clarity in LR later in my workflow and if I don't cut back on Photo AI sharpening before getting back into LR, it gets too crunchy.
Great points on AI masks and how they are affected by noise. Didn't think of this before
Thanks a lot for the comment. I also didn’t think it would change but after some experimenting I noticed a difference on numerous occasions.
Great advice. What about sharpening? I used to apply denoise and sharpening later in my workflow but now with the new Lightroom denoise tool, I also do it early. Should I bring my image in Sharpen AI then or wait later in my workflow? Thank you.
Hi Francois, thanks for the comment. I would apply sharpening right at the end of the edit. Apply DENOISE AI in Lightroom early, do all the editing, do further processing in Photoshop if needed, and then sharpen right at the end. In my video I posted today I speak about sharpening and the problem it can cause if you do it early before other processing.
@@MarkDumbleton thanks.
I certainly understand the best approach to reducing noise early in the develop workflow. Do you know if the Lightroom Super Resolution option also behaves the same way, i.e., it enlarges the file, then applies any Lightroom Develop actions? Does it make a difference when in the process I use the Super Resolution option?
Hi @davekosiur5162, I’m not sure about the super resolution, I’ll definitely play around with it and perhaps make a follow up video.
Hi Mark. Thank you for another timely video. Being aware of what happens when we use Lightroom AI DeNoise after making some edits in Lightroom, would you suggest that we begin by using Lightroom AI DeNoise on a virtual copy of a raw file at the beginning of the edit? That way if something goes wrong during DeNoiseing we can just delete that virtual copy and start over.
Also, does this affect quick edits like cropping and white balance? Or just more intensive edits using masks etc.?
Hi Garnet, thanks for the comment. You don’t need to use a virtual copy. The initial file will remain completely untouched, it will never be altered and when you run DENOISE, it creates a separate DNG file anyway, so you can always delete that DNG file and go back to the initial RAW file.
DENOISE will ignore everything. Cropping doesn’t change the RAW file at all, you can always undo that and when Lightroom copies over the edit which will include the Crop, you can adjust that crop back to the original full frame format.
Hi :) thank you for this!! What do you do if denoise makes humans look well...ai?
My pleasure. I would turn down the amount of DENOISE if it makes humans too AI like. That’s a tricky one to deal with that I have no experience with, my subjects are more grizzly 😊
@@MarkDumbleton thank you! Sadly that doesn't really work unfortunately! It's very strange
My Mac is about 10 years old but typically works fine but this denoise feature isn't working in my LR. It always says estimated time 50 minutes :(:(:(. Can any guide me on if there is a way to fix that?
Hi @melissahall7009 unfortunately there is no fix for older machines as far as I know. I’m not really a technical computer kind of person. Anyone reading this comment able to shed some light on Melissa’s comment?
Does this Denoise comes with the new lightroom
It’s included with the latest updates to Lightroom Classic and CC.
Just tried to batch 78 raw images but Topaz Denoise Ai says only 26 are being processed? Any ideas?
Hi, I’m not sure, perhaps a limitation of the computer hardware? I would think if Topaz had a batch limit, it would be stated somewhere.
I want to denoise a jpeg, how to I trick Photoshop or Lightroom into doing that?
Unfortunately you can’t use a JPG file. Hoping Adobe allows access to this in future updates.
Hello friend, is AI denoise only on lightroom classic?
Hi, as far as I know it’s available in Lightroom CC as well, although I don’t use CC.
What would cause my Lightroom classic denoise to not work and say not compatible? Help!!!
Hi Amanda, what file types are you trying to DENOISE?
@@MarkDumbleton Raw files from my canon T8i
I can only assume Lightroom doesn’t support those files. So strange though because I would think Lightroom would support all Raw files. Is the camera very old?
@@MarkDumbleton the camera is a rebel T8i and is now a year old this past Dec
@@MarkDumbleton thank you though for trying to help me figure this out at least 🥰
Every time I try to use the denoise feature, it crashes my computer. 🤦♂️
Thanks for your input - I can only assume it’s because your machine is a bit older? How old is it?
@@MarkDumbleton its a 2015. It does everything great but that one feature. Even though I’ve wiped everything except Photoshop and Lightroom it’s still does it. I’m not going to upgrade computers just to use denoise though. I’ll do without for a little while longer.
Have you tried opening the file in Camera Raw instead of Lightroom? Interested to hear if it crashes as well in Camera Raw.
Perhaps check if you Gpu is activated and if all your drivers are up to date. Hope it helps.
Hey Guys!
anyone else has experienced longer denoise rendering times? I was editing some photos and for instance 50-100 Photos of denoise took me like 30 minutes, but suddenly it takes almost up to 2-3 hours and I dont know why it is like that right now, maybe some of you have an clue whats the issue is since I found nothing on the internet lol
cheers!
I’m not technically knowledgable as to exactly why, but a lot depends on the processing power of your computer. The AI DENOISE is very intensive on the processing ability of your machine.
LrC takes unacceptable time to process. 5 minutes and more for one picture. Topaz is very fast and has more features.
LR definitely does take a long time.
Personally I try not to use the AI Denoise in Lightroom. Waiting 5-15 minutes for it to finish applying the Denoise, when I can do the same in seconds manually is a waste of time. It’s like going back to the 80’s and popping to kitchen to make a drink while waiting for a game to load on the computer.
Thanks for the feedback. Lightroom is quite slow on older machines when it comes to this AI DENOISE. Would you mind sharing the way you do this manually? I would love to know as I only use the AI DENOISE.
@@MarkDumbleton My machine isn’t exactly a slouch when it comes to speed, but the AI Denoise takes far too long in my opinion. What works for me, on 90% of images, is to drag the Luminance slider to 50, and then the Detail slider directly under it towards 100, until you’re happy with the result. This won’t work on Astro photography unfortunately, you need to play with the sliders a little more, including the Color and the Detail slider under that. Hope this helps.
@@Haywain Thanks very much for the reply. I will give that a try.
I thought everyone already knew this ....
Perhaps they do.