As he moulders on his Golden Throne, the Emperor clutches a grubby piece of velum in one skeletal hand, inscribed with a spidery script, "I Ate'nt Dead."
I love the idea that the Emperor defeats the Void Dragon and then is like “I’ll just stash this on Mars in case it turns out to be useful.” 10,000 years later when the Tec Priests have taken over the planet the Emperor sees what has happened and thinking on his feet says “of course I totally planned this. No more questions.”
i'm still not convinced that Nioth is the "Emperor of mankind". my guess is, Nioth was subdued or killed and A THING CLAIMING TO BE NIOTH CROWNED HIMSELF EMPEROR OF MANKIND.
This feels like a good opportunity to point out how well the Mechanicum serve 40K's parody of fascism in the Imperium. In his classic essay attempting to define the essential qualities of the ideology Ur-Fascism, Umberto Eco's first point is that there exists a cult of tradition that abhors searching for new knowledge and believes all truth can be found in the knowledge of the ancestors. To quote: "As a consequence, there can be no advancement of learning. Truth has been already spelled out once and for all, and we can only keep interpreting its obscure message." That's literally the religious doctrine of the Adeptus Mechanicus and their endless quest for STCs. But, in the setting, that ideology has been one of the key things that's kept the Imperium in stagnation for ten millenium. No one's learned anything over that time and they barely understand how their equipment works. And the few times they do, it's people like Cawl pretending that they've pulled their new discovery from the past to help push things forward while staying ideologically consistent despite committing massive tech-heresy to do so. It's such a strong part of the satire that it'd be hard to water down without breaking the faction entirely
I'm sure it's not an accident (on behalf of the authors) that the Mechanicum are the faction the Emperor "had to" betray his principles for in order to take over the galaxy. They're the radicalizing element common to many far-right power structures.
33:50 - "what's that, Lassie? There's heretics in the well?" EDIT: 49:30 - AdMech & Necrons are a great foil to each other, 'cos AdMech are aspirants to steel omniscience; while Necrons yearn to discard their steel omniscience and return to the time of flesh. EDIT EDIT: bring in Guilliarme David (Mexhanicus soundtrack guy), call it "let it code".
Great deep cut by Graham on the reference to the Akhashic Record, a real thing believed in by pseudo-mystic and proto-fascist Madame Blavatsky (though I don't think she was a cyborg)
I was convinced when I first read this, when it first came out, that the akashi reader plot was relevant to the golden throne. I thought that some or any of the character that were still alive would end up on terra and be part of the delegation of mechanicum who would have to hook the now dying emperor to the golden throne. Adding bits that would help sustain his dying form. Then right at the end one of them would shove in a piece of tech that would give the emperor all knowledge and therefore lay his path on becoming omnipotent and more god-like.
I'm loving this HH series - currently reading through it for the first time and loving listening to your thoughts on them!! 😁 Keep up the great work guys!!!
I like how the dragon is set-up as this super ancient and powerful being and then we learn that the Emperor single-handedly trashed it and imprisoned it. If we define a "god" as "something that is crazy powerful" then it seems he would fit. What I've always thought about is the part where the Emperor says (and I may be misremembering) that the dragon is too powerful for him to destroy so he has to lock it up. Was he being truthful? Or was that just an excuse to save it for later? Also we need more of Mira doing the Emperor voice she debuted in the Legion video.
Regarding "body horror" or modifications of the Priesthood, it is exactly why I love images of the Mechanicum/Mechanicus and why I love drawing them; it allows so much room for creativity because have the excuse you can add or change so many parts of the body and still have it make some sense, where as for an Astarte, sure you can add a lot of decorations and stuff, but the general shape and form has to stay. And the weird science-y machinery, all the pipes and cables, monitors and blinking lights, you don't even need to be able to visually explain what they are for, and that adds to the esoteric and mysteriousness of the technology they augment themselves with, advance technology as we in the 21st century do not understand, and poetically perhaps they do not understand much either.
It's also definitely worth noting that the akashic reader, in its domed room covered in psyker pods, is basically a throne upon which the subject of the experiment sits so that the power of the surrounding psykers can be funnelled into the subject... It's a copy of the golden throne.
I've been waiting for this one! Mechanicum! One of my favorite HH books, and one that I'm thrilled to see you guys talk about. Killed it! This one was very fun. I read the book over a year ago, so it was nice to have a walk back through it.
It's funny, I remember reading this years ago when I was like 14 and not liking it that much. I think I really didn't understand the importance of the revelations, though the "getting punished for actually inventing and improving technology" bit at the start stuck with me. But hearing you guys's thoughts on it, I'm probably gonna dig it out and give it another read now I understand some of it a bit better.
Been looking forward to this review; Mechanicum is in my personal top four of the whole series. In a 54 book series that is quite an accolade. Great book following all of the revelations (void dragon) and twists of how they fell to chaos with the greed of Kelbor Hal and scapcode really made it believable and relatable how his quest for forbidden knowledge damed him.a Really enjoy your chats. Great chemistry between you two, looking forward to the next one.
Thank you so much for doing this. I started the series when I was in middle school and it’s really hard to accept that it’s over. I kind of wish I could go back and read them all again, but I don’t have the time so I’m really happy that you’re doing it. Keep up the good work.
My favourite Heresy book! Koriel Zeth is the absolute coolest character, between her design and her intriguingly unique view for a Mechanicum character. I only wish she’d gone on to appear in future books! Also a shame that a period all about the giant civil war barely has any other books entirely about the Mechanicum!
Talking about so much happening in this one book, I do feel this book dated form that era where they didn't know quite how many books they would be able to spin out of the Horus Heresy. I am fairly sure I remember talking about how many there would be at the point this was published, and one theory was that there might be 12 (in hindsight, lol), or maybe one book for each legion and a *little* bit extra, so it wasn't *expected* there to be the space to spend lots of time on this part of the story.
@@miramanga Just you wait. The more you learn about The Emperor the more you'll realize how deranged he really is. Blessed is the mind too small for doubt 😀
I remember, years ago, asking eagerly about the status of this part 10, then checking every couple months before finally giving up. Now I see that there's MULTIPLE follow-up parts! Awesome! I am a bit concerned that the question, "What was the point of Snake if Peace Walker was just going to destroy itself?", because the text on display (as the question was asked) did say that, because Snake destroyed the major brain, that just left the reptile brain, which was able to operate on a level more susceptible to the personally it was based on. So, Snake DID make the self-destruction possible, right?
As I understand it, skitarii we're only a thing on Mars, besides the titanguard, which we're a thing with the titan legions. The other forgeworlds adopted the skitarii with the post-heresy reorganisation of the adeptus mechanicus, the orthodoxy of Mars and all that jazz.
I really love the perspective of seeing someone newer to all this reading these books I just kind of take for granted and have become desensitized to. Part of me wants to suggest the Night Lords Trilogy but I honestly don’t think Mira would be able to handle the truly awful actions they take.
I would like the USB stick to be preserved for the 41st millennium. The sacred ritual of putting it in one way, then the other, then the original way should be our lasting legacy.
I love this series, but I'm even more invested now for the tea choice in each episode. Next time Fulgrim shows up, may I suggest a black tea with rose in it? 😇
So I agree that Mechanicum is a secretly great intro to Warhammer. I'd probably sequence a Mechanicum TV show after making two Heresy movies, as this is the kind of story that will convince the general public it's okay to love the gnarly parts. But. I went on a big emotional journey with the idea of a 30k musical after watching the documentary about Howard Ashman and I think Angel Exterminatus is the ideal candidate. The vibe of Beauty and the Beast but with Fulgrim and the entire supporting cast is made out of Gastons. Imagine Perturabo's "I Want" song!
I feel it worthy to bring up the two forgotten Disney animated movies of the 2000s, Atlantis the Lost Empire and Treasure Planet If you made a Mechanicum movie equivalent to them it would be solid as a Disney film Just be sure to have the points where the teens interact with the major combat stay in because nothing says "my kid is watching this over and over" like an Imperial Fist mulching cyberthrawls in sprays of gore and oil
"But it's much much... WORSE! "🥰 sung in ascending tones! Mira you are so much FUN! 🤣 I can't wait until Mira reads Echoes of Eternity for some more Skitarii action....
It's easy to write off the Martian religion as being silly superstition but their idea of a "machine spirit" is still a real thing, most notably with titans and starships
My favorite Heresy books are 1 Legion, 2 Mechanicum, and everything else comes after but I will say that I quote liked Deliverance, mostly because I stan Raven Guard tbh, and also Fulgrim because it is legitimately disturbing in ways that 40k often hints at but seldom fleshes out. I wouldn't want to read that in every book about Chaos because it would become a bit of a edgelord thing, but it's good to be reminded of just how horrible it's effects can because Chaos can sometimes fall into the "oh well the demon farts blue flames, so we know it's from Tzeentch, and that means x,y, and z" "oh that demon looks horny/hungry, must be from Slaanesh, and that means x,y, and z." And it can feel a bit formulaic in ways that Chaos really shouldn't. But now I'm not talking about Mechanicum lol. One of the reasons I like it so much is because I read it when I was getting into Dark Heresy and I loved the idea of the Tech-priests but there wasn't much fluff to go off of for character background, like alls I really knew was that they were religiously cyborgs and liked that rusty red color a lot, this book and the dark Heresy supplement "Forges of the Lathes" are still my go to sources for info on the nitty gritty of Mechanicus life.
If you ever want to see Mechanicum-style tech-superstition in action, spend time in a casino's poker machine area. I used to work at a casino and I've seen some R I T U A L S. My favourite was the person who would trace a pattern like they were casting a rune on the front panel of the machine before every spin.
So glad you guys finally got to this. I’m currently reading Corax, and Mechanicum is still one of my favorite entries in the series. My verbatim review of this book when I read it: “Giant Mecha? ✅ Psychotic Murderbots? ✅ Mutant cyborgs? ✅ Ancient space dragons? ✅ Giant space castles floating on a lake of lava? ✅ Mechanicum might be my favorite entry in the Horus Heresy so far…all of them that I’ve read so far are pretty good. But Mechanicum feels like it was written for me specifically.”
mechanicum is kind of a weird book to read nowadays, since half of it is dedicated to the c'tan stuff that was basically abandoned with the great necron retcron of 5th edition, while the other half is basically all of the martian civil war we get
So usually I read the books along with this book club, before the video comes out, it's been a lot of fun. Except for the Horus Heresy series, because, you know, life is too short. But you guys make it sound so good, would it make sense just to read Mechanicum as a one-off?
Ultron can't form complex machines. Guns and explosives have chemicals in them. Moving parts. It doesn't work that way, but it can form solid metal shapes. Conner: Like what? The Terminator: Knives and shagging weapons.
Approx 30:00 this raises the interesting question of which Chaos god would make the best kebabs. I fear Khorne would source lots of mystery meat but not have the patience to cook it consistently or well. Nurgle‘s would be mushroom heavy, and i doubt the kitchen could oass a hygiene inspection. Slaanesh is a tough one. Possibly nsfw. And Tzeentch as trickster would embody the „how the sausage is made“ maxim, because trickery. So doner/sujuk that leads to slight unease.
@@MyShadowstrike i wonder also if there is a threat you are skewered. If Vlad the Impaler as sybaritic vampire would fit his bill. Plus she who thirsts would probably ensure you enjoyed your grisly demise, no matter how horrified any onlookers might be. The vamp analogue may mean no garlic.
Kelbor-Hal's like the only dude in the entire setting pushing for real scientific inquiry. Yeah he's a prick, but you gotta side with him just to stave off ignorance alone.
disney movies are already adapting around horrific violence and torture! those fairy tales that the classic animated movies were based on were definitely pretty grimdark..... and dont even get me started on the post-apocalyptic dystopia that is the pixar cinematic universe...
1. That's not just _an_ Imperator titan it's _the_ Imperator titan; _Dies Irae_ the titan that broke the walls of the Imperial Palace during the Siege of Terra. It also shows up again in a 40k book called Storm of Iron. Can you guess which legion that one follows? 2. Scrapcode isn't just Chaos virus, it's actual daemons in data form. Thats why it's so hard to counter but sort of also why the noosphere couldn't be invaded. 3. The C'tan shard being on Mars is so canon that the Necrons raided 40k era Mars, broke into the Noctus Labyrinth and stole back said shard. That means our heroine is most likely now dead sadly.
It's a RODE Wireless Go II set. Two mono transmitters that can have optional lavaliers attached, and one receiver that can either mix the mics or put them on split stereo channels.
I have a theory as to why the Emperor was happy with the Mechanicum worshipping Him as the Omnissiah but utterly hostile to any other expression of religion. It has to do with the nature of the Chaos Gods and a supposition of the Emperor's true ambition. What are the Chaos Gods? They are reflections and magnifications of emotion in the Warp. It's why Chaos worshippers have to commit progressively more extreme acts of worship to gain power; the Chaos Gods take the power of that act and give a small portion of it to their follower. The Emperor planned to sever humanity from the Warp for travel by using the Webway Project. Removing the emotional stimuli also explains why the Imperium was so xenophobic. Border disputes with rival sapient races or even recalcitrant branches of humanity would foster generational hatreds and would feed the Gods. As for the Mechanicum, they are removing their ability to feel any emotional stimuli altogether. As such, they would be theoretically incapable of feeding the Warp. That's proven to be less than perfect in Master of Mankind, but it's definitely a plan to create a branch of humanity that is inured, if not immune, to the Warp's influence. Basically, it seems that the Emperor planned to redefine the human experience by limiting or even removing the ability to feel emotion. Could such a plan work? It's Warhammer, so maybe. Would it be worth it? Definitely not, but it's Warhammer.
Lapsang Suchong is the one that smells of a bacon sandwich right? Had a colleague who was really into it and would keep wondering who had got a bacon sarnie. Have to say I was disappointed by the taste, personally find it tastes of liquid smoke... ie, not very much at all, even if it smells wonderful.
As he moulders on his Golden Throne, the Emperor clutches a grubby piece of velum in one skeletal hand, inscribed with a spidery script, "I Ate'nt Dead."
Are you equivocating granny weatherwax and the god emperor of mankind?...
@@nikolailucyk Well, the Emperor can dream of reaching such a level of greatness. 👍
"HANDS OFF MY ARMOR!"
@@nikolailucyk She’d take him.
Headology>Psyker shenanigans
I love the idea that the Emperor defeats the Void Dragon and then is like “I’ll just stash this on Mars in case it turns out to be useful.”
10,000 years later when the Tec Priests have taken over the planet the Emperor sees what has happened and thinking on his feet says “of course I totally planned this. No more questions.”
I mean, that IS the most likely thing!
i'm still not convinced that Nioth is the "Emperor of mankind". my guess is, Nioth was subdued or killed and A THING CLAIMING TO BE NIOTH CROWNED HIMSELF EMPEROR OF MANKIND.
Mechanicum. One of the best books of the entire series. Much drama. Much depth. Much war and titans and pandas. Love it.
"Machine, heal thyself". That single line is one of my favorite lines through all of the Black Library books.
This feels like a good opportunity to point out how well the Mechanicum serve 40K's parody of fascism in the Imperium. In his classic essay attempting to define the essential qualities of the ideology Ur-Fascism, Umberto Eco's first point is that there exists a cult of tradition that abhors searching for new knowledge and believes all truth can be found in the knowledge of the ancestors. To quote: "As a consequence, there can be no advancement of learning. Truth has been already spelled out once and for all, and we can only keep interpreting its obscure message." That's literally the religious doctrine of the Adeptus Mechanicus and their endless quest for STCs. But, in the setting, that ideology has been one of the key things that's kept the Imperium in stagnation for ten millenium. No one's learned anything over that time and they barely understand how their equipment works. And the few times they do, it's people like Cawl pretending that they've pulled their new discovery from the past to help push things forward while staying ideologically consistent despite committing massive tech-heresy to do so. It's such a strong part of the satire that it'd be hard to water down without breaking the faction entirely
It gets to the point where they almost out Imperium the Imperium
I'm sure it's not an accident (on behalf of the authors) that the Mechanicum are the faction the Emperor "had to" betray his principles for in order to take over the galaxy. They're the radicalizing element common to many far-right power structures.
The Emperor: What is your fascination with my forbidden closet of mystery?
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Bastard Scale Update!
Lucius: 27
Fabius: "blown up the scale"/contested by Ian
Erebus: 12
The Lion: 9
Bequa: 9
Fulgrim: 8.5
Kelbor Hal: 8.5
Wsoric the Demon: 8
Remaire: 7
Brynngar Sturmdreng: 7
Julius EC: 6
Khorneban Machine: 6
Koriel Zeth: 6
Zadkiel: 5.5
Marius EC: 5.5
Solomon EC: 3
Unification Wars Emperor: 3
Everyone else in Descent of Angels: 3
Valdor: 1
Iacton Cruze: 1
Thanks for remembering to specify the numbers! Love you guys!❤
I'd bump up the Emperor by at least 4 or 5 for basically manipulating Mars into worshiping him. Bit of a dick move.
The Mechanicum on Mars version of “Frozen” is callled “Molten”
“Do you want to build an iron man?”
Skitarii singing to its rad-weapon: ‘Let it glow, let it glow!’
Build a Man of Iron?
So much more beautiful in the original binary
@@willumbermarchant5510 beep
@@iandoddsblah ah a contralto are you?
Highlight of the video, Mira explaining to Ian weed slang and the quote is "Oatmilk, because we're not barbarians." -Ian 2024
My interview with Graham on Mechanicum can be found here too! ua-cam.com/video/L7P5sd1uvW4/v-deo.html
33:50 - "what's that, Lassie? There's heretics in the well?"
EDIT: 49:30 - AdMech & Necrons are a great foil to each other, 'cos AdMech are aspirants to steel omniscience; while Necrons yearn to discard their steel omniscience and return to the time of flesh.
EDIT EDIT: bring in Guilliarme David (Mexhanicus soundtrack guy), call it "let it code".
Great deep cut by Graham on the reference to the Akhashic Record, a real thing believed in by pseudo-mystic and proto-fascist Madame Blavatsky (though I don't think she was a cyborg)
Fantastic video yall! I will never get tired of Mira's optimism about a nice story development and Ian always having to say"well... see.. " 😂
I was convinced when I first read this, when it first came out, that the akashi reader plot was relevant to the golden throne.
I thought that some or any of the character that were still alive would end up on terra and be part of the delegation of mechanicum who would have to hook the now dying emperor to the golden throne. Adding bits that would help sustain his dying form. Then right at the end one of them would shove in a piece of tech that would give the emperor all knowledge and therefore lay his path on becoming omnipotent and more god-like.
And instead, not one bit of it is relevant to anything at all!
@@ArbitorIanyet….!
Omg it would make so much sense. Wow. This is my head canon and I refuse that it isn't official
@@miramanga yeah, scouring series maybe :)
I'm loving this HH series - currently reading through it for the first time and loving listening to your thoughts on them!! 😁
Keep up the great work guys!!!
I love all episodes with Mira and the book club soooo much!
I like how the dragon is set-up as this super ancient and powerful being and then we learn that the Emperor single-handedly trashed it and imprisoned it. If we define a "god" as "something that is crazy powerful" then it seems he would fit.
What I've always thought about is the part where the Emperor says (and I may be misremembering) that the dragon is too powerful for him to destroy so he has to lock it up. Was he being truthful? Or was that just an excuse to save it for later?
Also we need more of Mira doing the Emperor voice she debuted in the Legion video.
seeing Mira's obsession with the Emperor, I can't wait for Master of Mankind book and the siege (but holy cow both are so far away in the pipeline)
Regarding "body horror" or modifications of the Priesthood, it is exactly why I love images of the Mechanicum/Mechanicus and why I love drawing them; it allows so much room for creativity because have the excuse you can add or change so many parts of the body and still have it make some sense, where as for an Astarte, sure you can add a lot of decorations and stuff, but the general shape and form has to stay.
And the weird science-y machinery, all the pipes and cables, monitors and blinking lights, you don't even need to be able to visually explain what they are for, and that adds to the esoteric and mysteriousness of the technology they augment themselves with, advance technology as we in the 21st century do not understand, and poetically perhaps they do not understand much either.
Good book. Towards the end an explosion is described as a "miniature super nova" which is just a nova. Gave me a chuckle
Man Ian and Mira are setting the bar high, with these videos. I would go as far to say this is the best Warhammer channel on YT right now.
Mira having her head exploded by the C'tan revelation was both hilarious and adorable :D
Mechanicum is also one of my favourite Heresy books - I like to read it and Titanicus close together.
26:54 that's not why the magma city is safe. It's because the Emperor's light went through the wires.
It’s not the only reason - it’s explicitly stated that every settlement hooked up to the Noosphere was insulated from the scrap code.
Tea and a book can really be the cure for what ails you. Its a magic combination.
It's also definitely worth noting that the akashic reader, in its domed room covered in psyker pods, is basically a throne upon which the subject of the experiment sits so that the power of the surrounding psykers can be funnelled into the subject... It's a copy of the golden throne.
I've been waiting for this one! Mechanicum! One of my favorite HH books, and one that I'm thrilled to see you guys talk about. Killed it! This one was very fun. I read the book over a year ago, so it was nice to have a walk back through it.
It's funny, I remember reading this years ago when I was like 14 and not liking it that much. I think I really didn't understand the importance of the revelations, though the "getting punished for actually inventing and improving technology" bit at the start stuck with me. But hearing you guys's thoughts on it, I'm probably gonna dig it out and give it another read now I understand some of it a bit better.
Been looking forward to this review; Mechanicum is in my personal top four of the whole series. In a 54 book series that is quite an accolade.
Great book following all of the revelations (void dragon) and twists of how they fell to chaos with the greed of Kelbor Hal and scapcode really made it believable and relatable how his quest for forbidden knowledge damed him.a
Really enjoy your chats.
Great chemistry between you two, looking forward to the next one.
Ian brainwashing Mira into 40k in general and Heresy in particular is among the best things ever happening in the community. Love your book clubs!
Thank you so much for doing this. I started the series when I was in middle school and it’s really hard to accept that it’s over. I kind of wish I could go back and read them all again, but I don’t have the time so I’m really happy that you’re doing it. Keep up the good work.
My favourite Heresy book! Koriel Zeth is the absolute coolest character, between her design and her intriguingly unique view for a Mechanicum character. I only wish she’d gone on to appear in future books!
Also a shame that a period all about the giant civil war barely has any other books entirely about the Mechanicum!
Book 9 ??? how did you rope Mira into this lol :) loving every seconds !!
IT WAS HER BLOODY IDEA!
Plenty of people are curious about 40K, who haven't felt okay getting into until recently. And books are more affordable than the armies.
Talking about so much happening in this one book, I do feel this book dated form that era where they didn't know quite how many books they would be able to spin out of the Horus Heresy. I am fairly sure I remember talking about how many there would be at the point this was published, and one theory was that there might be 12 (in hindsight, lol), or maybe one book for each legion and a *little* bit extra, so it wasn't *expected* there to be the space to spend lots of time on this part of the story.
I'd love to have to seen a sentient Gen 1 iPod come out of the Vaults of Moravec
Nobody can figure out how the clickwheel works because everyone of sufficient import to handle it has metal fingertips.
or several minor enginseers poking a mini-disk player with their mecandrites in the darkest deepest chasms of Mars....
Mira is no longer an Emperor-Botherer, since The Last Church she’s now following the path Lorgar took… 😅
Never!!! 😮😅😂
LIES!!!!! Heretical lies!!!
No way, we Slaaneshies claim her
@@miramanga Just you wait. The more you learn about The Emperor the more you'll realize how deranged he really is. Blessed is the mind too small for doubt 😀
@@Elbuarto true!
What an absolute delight this episode was - loved every moment from the tea service to the Disney musical proposal!
Mira's amazement at the existence of the Black Library Childrens books is the best
lol “Yo dude let me screw nuts” is the catchphrase of this book review 😂
Love the tea making at the start, oat milk always the best choice :)
omg New book club, a Jenny Nicholson video and a Grimbeard video within 1 day!? My cup doth runnith over!
I remember, years ago, asking eagerly about the status of this part 10, then checking every couple months before finally giving up. Now I see that there's MULTIPLE follow-up parts! Awesome!
I am a bit concerned that the question, "What was the point of Snake if Peace Walker was just going to destroy itself?", because the text on display (as the question was asked) did say that, because Snake destroyed the major brain, that just left the reptile brain, which was able to operate on a level more susceptible to the personally it was based on. So, Snake DID make the self-destruction possible, right?
"Anyone can be yoinked" sounds like a tagline for a book in the Warhammer Romance imprint.
(I didn't know I needed a Mechanicum Musical until today, but now, this somehow must happen. It has to!)
My first Horus heresy book. Brilliant
As I understand it, skitarii we're only a thing on Mars, besides the titanguard, which we're a thing with the titan legions. The other forgeworlds adopted the skitarii with the post-heresy reorganisation of the adeptus mechanicus, the orthodoxy of Mars and all that jazz.
I really love the perspective of seeing someone newer to all this reading these books I just kind of take for granted and have become desensitized to. Part of me wants to suggest the Night Lords Trilogy but I honestly don’t think Mira would be able to handle the truly awful actions they take.
I would like the USB stick to be preserved for the 41st millennium. The sacred ritual of putting it in one way, then the other, then the original way should be our lasting legacy.
If you like smokey teas, the Fortnum and Mason Smokey Earl Grey is really good.
"Jazz cigarettes"
Mira is such an anachronism 😂
I love this series, but I'm even more invested now for the tea choice in each episode.
Next time Fulgrim shows up, may I suggest a black tea with rose in it? 😇
So I agree that Mechanicum is a secretly great intro to Warhammer. I'd probably sequence a Mechanicum TV show after making two Heresy movies, as this is the kind of story that will convince the general public it's okay to love the gnarly parts.
But.
I went on a big emotional journey with the idea of a 30k musical after watching the documentary about Howard Ashman and I think Angel Exterminatus is the ideal candidate. The vibe of Beauty and the Beast but with Fulgrim and the entire supporting cast is made out of Gastons. Imagine Perturabo's "I Want" song!
I feel it worthy to bring up the two forgotten Disney animated movies of the 2000s, Atlantis the Lost Empire and Treasure Planet
If you made a Mechanicum movie equivalent to them it would be solid as a Disney film
Just be sure to have the points where the teens interact with the major combat stay in because nothing says "my kid is watching this over and over" like an Imperial Fist mulching cyberthrawls in sprays of gore and oil
How to Restrain Your Dragon
Tea and Heresy a serie !
Consider: a don bluth animated movie rather than a disney one. I think the kaban machine would look incredible in that style
Personally, despite the description including wheels, I cannot imagine the Kaban Machine as anything other than the Omnidroid from The Incredibles.
I'm binging your book club and Mira's hair is first thing I look at lol
"But it's much much... WORSE! "🥰 sung in ascending tones! Mira you are so much FUN! 🤣
I can't wait until Mira reads Echoes of Eternity for some more Skitarii action....
Mechanicum was an excellent book 9, the intro scene with the Knights was written before the Knights kit ever happened. Super interesting
Agree it was definitely the best book 9
"Do you want to build a Titan?"
“And end up in a tank of goo?”
Mira and the Martian: A Trilogy.
It's easy to write off the Martian religion as being silly superstition but their idea of a "machine spirit" is still a real thing, most notably with titans and starships
My favorite Heresy books are 1 Legion, 2 Mechanicum, and everything else comes after but I will say that I quote liked Deliverance, mostly because I stan Raven Guard tbh, and also Fulgrim because it is legitimately disturbing in ways that 40k often hints at but seldom fleshes out. I wouldn't want to read that in every book about Chaos because it would become a bit of a edgelord thing, but it's good to be reminded of just how horrible it's effects can because Chaos can sometimes fall into the "oh well the demon farts blue flames, so we know it's from Tzeentch, and that means x,y, and z" "oh that demon looks horny/hungry, must be from Slaanesh, and that means x,y, and z." And it can feel a bit formulaic in ways that Chaos really shouldn't. But now I'm not talking about Mechanicum lol. One of the reasons I like it so much is because I read it when I was getting into Dark Heresy and I loved the idea of the Tech-priests but there wasn't much fluff to go off of for character background, like alls I really knew was that they were religiously cyborgs and liked that rusty red color a lot, this book and the dark Heresy supplement "Forges of the Lathes" are still my go to sources for info on the nitty gritty of Mechanicus life.
"I'm calling the machine spirits!" *main theme rising*
"The flesh is weak, but (FRIENDS) endure!"
I think Arken Land is gonna be a big hit when you get to them
A ctan shard at least. It's unclear if the Emperor would have stood a chance if he'd encountered a full Ctan on Terra!
If you ever want to see Mechanicum-style tech-superstition in action, spend time in a casino's poker machine area. I used to work at a casino and I've seen some R I T U A L S.
My favourite was the person who would trace a pattern like they were casting a rune on the front panel of the machine before every spin.
Terraforming Mars has always been a dream of mine.
There’s a board game for that!
So glad you guys finally got to this. I’m currently reading Corax, and Mechanicum is still one of my favorite entries in the series.
My verbatim review of this book when I read it:
“Giant Mecha? ✅
Psychotic Murderbots? ✅
Mutant cyborgs? ✅
Ancient space dragons? ✅
Giant space castles floating on a lake of lava? ✅
Mechanicum might be my favorite entry in the Horus Heresy so far…all of them that I’ve read so far are pretty good. But Mechanicum feels like it was written for me specifically.”
If Mira wants Mechanicus and Necron to be friends she will love the belisarius Cawls book series
Mechanicum is such a great book.
the Scooby Gang goes to mars.... but it still works.
so close to The Thousand Sons. Lets goo
been waiting for you to talk about this one 💪💪💪
mechanicum is kind of a weird book to read nowadays, since half of it is dedicated to the c'tan stuff that was basically abandoned with the great necron retcron of 5th edition, while the other half is basically all of the martian civil war we get
So usually I read the books along with this book club, before the video comes out, it's been a lot of fun. Except for the Horus Heresy series, because, you know, life is too short. But you guys make it sound so good, would it make sense just to read Mechanicum as a one-off?
Why not? 😊 a fair few of the heresy books are definitely worth reading - First Heretic and Know No Fear for sure out of the ones coming soon
Waiting for the next Gaunt's Ghosts episode!
I once read a very different "Mechanicum," a fanfiction between Ultron and the Terminator, but this is neither here nor there.
Ultron can't form complex machines. Guns and explosives have chemicals in them. Moving parts. It doesn't work that way, but it can form solid metal shapes.
Conner: Like what?
The Terminator: Knives and shagging weapons.
Approx 30:00 this raises the interesting question of which Chaos god would make the best kebabs. I fear Khorne would source lots of mystery meat but not have the patience to cook it consistently or well. Nurgle‘s would be mushroom heavy, and i doubt the kitchen could oass a hygiene inspection. Slaanesh is a tough one. Possibly nsfw. And Tzeentch as trickster would embody the „how the sausage is made“ maxim, because trickery. So doner/sujuk that leads to slight unease.
Slaanesh makes the perfect kebab, so long as you don't ask about the 'special sauce'
@@MyShadowstrike i wonder also if there is a threat you are skewered. If Vlad the Impaler as sybaritic vampire would fit his bill. Plus she who thirsts would probably ensure you enjoyed your grisly demise, no matter how horrified any onlookers might be.
The vamp analogue may mean no garlic.
Kelbor-Hal's like the only dude in the entire setting pushing for real scientific inquiry. Yeah he's a prick, but you gotta side with him just to stave off ignorance alone.
Thank you.
The art for Remiare is flipping scary, she'll well creepy
disney movies are already adapting around horrific violence and torture! those fairy tales that the classic animated movies were based on were definitely pretty grimdark..... and dont even get me started on the post-apocalyptic dystopia that is the pixar cinematic universe...
“Skittering” means something VERY different here in Scotland 😂
Mira is an absolute simp for the Emperor.
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Finally! I was so tricked by the video named "Mechanicus" and thought this was it...
I'm now officially a barbarian
Hello from the magic tavern merch woo!
Emperor is the -Lisan al Gaib- Omnissiah!!
1. That's not just _an_ Imperator titan it's _the_ Imperator titan; _Dies Irae_ the titan that broke the walls of the Imperial Palace during the Siege of Terra. It also shows up again in a 40k book called Storm of Iron. Can you guess which legion that one follows?
2. Scrapcode isn't just Chaos virus, it's actual daemons in data form. Thats why it's so hard to counter but sort of also why the noosphere couldn't be invaded.
3. The C'tan shard being on Mars is so canon that the Necrons raided 40k era Mars, broke into the Noctus Labyrinth and stole back said shard. That means our heroine is most likely now dead sadly.
Dies Irae isn’t in Mechanicum, it is in False Gods/Galaxy in Flames though
@@HistoritorJimaldus Isn't Dies Irae the "flagship" of Mortis though? Am I misremembering?
Could I ask you guys a production question? What brand are your lapel mics?
It's a RODE Wireless Go II set. Two mono transmitters that can have optional lavaliers attached, and one receiver that can either mix the mics or put them on split stereo channels.
@@ArbitorIan Thank you very much!
Does anybody know what they were referring to when they mentioned the Kapan Machine animation?
Search for Kaban Machine animation on UA-cam, you’ll find it - the channel is called Kaban Machine 40k
Kaban.
ua-cam.com/video/6QjnOm5U8Gk/v-deo.htmlsi=FI2O0RfopaLLOw1K
Oh shit I love the haircut! Looking so fresh & clean :D
I love how Mira always wants so badly for Big E to be "the good guy." Sweet summer child.
I don’t understand why Kaban Project isn’t provided as a prologue in this book. It’s more Chapter 0 than a prequel..
Call it the body horror picture show.
Been waiting for MIra's reaction to this 1. Honestly 1 of my favourites out of the series =)
I have a theory as to why the Emperor was happy with the Mechanicum worshipping Him as the Omnissiah but utterly hostile to any other expression of religion. It has to do with the nature of the Chaos Gods and a supposition of the Emperor's true ambition.
What are the Chaos Gods? They are reflections and magnifications of emotion in the Warp. It's why Chaos worshippers have to commit progressively more extreme acts of worship to gain power; the Chaos Gods take the power of that act and give a small portion of it to their follower. The Emperor planned to sever humanity from the Warp for travel by using the Webway Project. Removing the emotional stimuli also explains why the Imperium was so xenophobic. Border disputes with rival sapient races or even recalcitrant branches of humanity would foster generational hatreds and would feed the Gods.
As for the Mechanicum, they are removing their ability to feel any emotional stimuli altogether. As such, they would be theoretically incapable of feeding the Warp. That's proven to be less than perfect in Master of Mankind, but it's definitely a plan to create a branch of humanity that is inured, if not immune, to the Warp's influence.
Basically, it seems that the Emperor planned to redefine the human experience by limiting or even removing the ability to feel emotion. Could such a plan work? It's Warhammer, so maybe. Would it be worth it? Definitely not, but it's Warhammer.
Lapsang Suchong is the one that smells of a bacon sandwich right? Had a colleague who was really into it and would keep wondering who had got a bacon sarnie. Have to say I was disappointed by the taste, personally find it tastes of liquid smoke... ie, not very much at all, even if it smells wonderful.
I forgot the slang "Jazz-Cigarets". I'm gonna start using that all the time once again :D
Are you really going to make Mira wait till book 41 to read Master of Mankind