Oxford 12T6 speakers are very good speakers. I have them in a 1979 Fender Silver Twin135 ultra-linear and I get complements on the crystal clean highs and full bottom/bass (which I love). I bought this amp new and never found a need to replace them. These JBLs sound great too.
Wow... the JBL really does bring out the bass. It would be interesting to hear what an Oxford and a JBL together would do in each amp. Might give you the best of both worlds in both amps.
The JBL's definitely have more oomph, but I actually prefer the breathier, crisper sounding Oxfords. I own a '73 Twin with JBL K-120's, master volume and the often dreaded push-pull boost. It's all beat-up, stripped of its Tolex and weighs a ton, but man, it KILLS. Many people don't realize just how versatile a Twin can be if you know how to work the highly interactive tone controls. Here's a piece of advice for those who find their SF MV Twin too clean, sterile and shrill-sounding and lacking mids: Plug into the vibrato channel and turn ALL controls down to ZERO. Then turn your volume and master volume all the way up to 10 (don't worry, there will be NO sound as long as the tone controls are on 0). Now very slowly turn up your MID control. Your Twin will get very loud very fast and will have more grit and mids than ever before. Depending on what sound you're after and what guitar you use, you can then add treble and bass to taste and control the overall volume with the master. Like any amp, the Twin sounds best when it's being pushed to its limits, but if you want to keep the neighbors happy and the police at bay, the MID control is where the action is.
I will have to try that with my 1976 Master Volume Twin Reverb. I usually turn Bass, Treble and Mid to zero, Volume and MV all the way up, then turn treble and mid barely cracked on then use the bass control barely on to control the volume, sounds thick and full.
I bought my 73 Twin new $620 at Leo's Music in the bay area. It came with JBL K120s and I used those for years. One day I had the chance to play an identical Twin with EV SRO 'coffee can' speakers. Fantastic, smooth, warm, and even sounding. The JBLs were just too bright and seemed to quickly induce ear fatigue Too bad the EVs are at least as heavy as the JBLS. No fun to cart but a joy to play. I still have the Twin, blackfaced by Kendrick and now with FANE alnico speakers. My favorite thing is to plug the guitar into Input 1 of Channel 2, then run a cable out of Input 2 into my 20 watt Kendrick. I like the girth of the TR with the grit of the overdriven Kendrick floated on top.
Master volume 73 w jbls sounds better in this video. I agree w others on here. Speakers make a huge difference in your sound. More so than pickup swaps etc..
I have the orange JBL"s in my '73. I changed them out with Naylors for more bluesy tone. I still got the JBL's though. Killer amp.I don't play it anymore. I might sell it with both pair of speakers for $1500.
I'm surprised how much I like the one with JBLs. It sounded much better when you were using the OCD pedal. In generally the '71 was darker and the reverb less pronounced. I'm sure you could tweak the tone and reverb to a closer match.
I have a '71 with D120Fs. It sounds much the same as the '73. I bought my '71 new and roaded the case to pieces. My current case I happened into by chance in Corpus Christi for $50. It's a '73 case so the speakers are vertically offset unlike the the original case. I've always loved that amp for clean. A few years ago I started messing around with pedal steel and it's really a sound with steel.
@TheHardon1 Exactly. If you want to compare the amps, swap one JBL with one Oxford and then both amps have the same speaker complement. Otherwise, nobody knows how much you're comparing speakers instead of amps!
I have an early ‘72 Twin (before the push/pull master knob) and it takes certain pedals very well and others not as well. The OCD is good, but mine really sounds nice with an EHX Soul Food. I like the sound of the amp with the JBL speakers in this video, just sounds a little fuller to me.
very unfair comparison. the speakers have way more to do with any differences in tone than the different schematics of the two amps. Most people say JBL's dont do well with overdrive but they clearly are the winner here when overdrive was used
I love the JBLs but I have to admit. These Oxfords hold their ground with a differently but also very good sound. I didn't know they are that close together. I do prefer the JBLs. But that's because I play with a D130F and a K130 (which are identical)
I had a '77 Twin with master volume . . best thing I ever did was get an OCD pedal for it, just made it sing without peeling the paint off of the walls.
For some reason I’m not clear on this, can you crank the amp with the normal volume and get tube saturation, while having the master volume quiet enough to not melt your eardrums?
yeah those JBL D120f or d131 speakers make all the difference. best speaker ever made for guitar ...imho. the silver domes through the grille is a give away - i have a bassman 100 i modified for guitar
Honestly not hearing anything a speaker swap wouldn't fix. These amps were more or less more or less until they went to PCBs imho. There's a bunch of tweaks you can make the to later UL ones to open them up and soften them off a bit. Modern speakers are WAY better!! The JBL's were great for their time but pretty much run of the mill today in terms of quality and complexity of tone. A $80 Warehouse speaker will get you there in 2020..
I want to see the home of a man with two fender twins. I’m guessing 5k+ square feet sitting on 10 acres or more. I couldn’t imagine playing these inside a home.
Hey man cool demo! I have a '73 TR SF MV and I get volume drops or a cut out after playing for ahwile. Any ideas as to what I should be looking at inside?
The JBL is a very efficient speaker compared to the Oxford Oxford could work well with the amp as they're not as loud as the jbl's and can make it a more usable amp
Do you mean JBL K120s? They do sound great. Definitely have that JBL sound. I don't have the most sensitive ear for the nuances of a lot of stuff that guitar guys get worked up about but the sound of JBLs is something I can definitely hear and it's worth it!
That pedal that you use to switch, can you run it into the 73's clean and reverb and switch in between only using one amp? If so, which pedal do you recommend that works with that type of amp. Thanks.
The reverb is on the same settings on both amps. One sounded better than the other at the exact same setting. The guitar was tuned with open strings and a digital tuner. The guitar has excessive fret wear after 20 years of playing. (I bought it new) Later I had all frets replaced with stainless steel frets. It now plays in tune on fretted notes.
What about the JBL D120F? I heard those are even better..the ones with the huge magnets..Have you heard those? The Oxfords are no match here. What year did they first put the master volume on the Twins, '72?
If I recall master volumes started showing in 72 yes. Of no concern. Leave the master on 12 and it sounds great. I have not tried the JBL D120F sorry. No insight to offer there.
Master on 12? Wouldnt that be fairly ear splitting if not in a large club? I have one with the JBL D120F, and it sounds great, I just want to totally maximize the tones.. do you have any advice for some great settings for this amp?
The Twin Rev sounds amazing at low volume. Leave the master on max. Do not use it to attenuate this amp. If you are attempting to turn this amp up to break up, you are using it wrong in my opinion. Roll up the EQ settings to your fave and play. This amp will sound just great with some built in reverb too.
Not using it for distortion. Want to get the greatest tones it can offer up. I got a Marshall for distortion. Not a fan of extreme gain. Looking for the best Hendrix-Stevie Ray type tones, MASSIVE HUGE, but not tons of gain... so, what settings would you recommend? I got JBL D120F speakers in it. Why have it on max volume? What does that do for it? I just want to maximize what this amp can do.
See my other video here. ua-cam.com/video/CJi1GECm5jg/v-deo.html Set your volume knob to the volume you want. Set and leave the master on 10. IMO it sucks tone from the amp as you turn the master down.
I agree the 73 has more reverb, however I had had both knobs set the same on both amps. I should have upp'd the 71 Reverb setting a bit. However the biggest difference here is the speakers.
Is it possible to use in a bedroom? I live in apartment. I was looking for a Bassman e someone told me not to buy, becausa its too loud, so i imagine this is loud as well. Thanks!
My grandfather played the shit out of twin reverbs. I don't know if you got one already or not. To put it simply, super quiet levels, you don't get any tone. At decent tone/volume level in a bedroom, it is not loud but it definitely has authority. Imagine your home stereo system at a good level, kicked up a click or two, like movie theater audio. After that, it goes to peel your eardrums off of the wall loud. Remember, they are designed for gigs and clubs. You can turn the volume down to really quiet, but the sound changes alot. Especially on the supers and ultra linears, your volume control will live somewhere between 1.5 and maybe 2.5/3 at the most. Anything past 3 will directly call the police for a noise complaint lol.
I've got a '69. They can do low volumes, obviously, but it's always a "big" sound even when it's not loud. It sounds perfectly nice turned down low, but it doesn't really "wake up" until 3.5 or so and by that point, it's pretty loud. Loud enough for me at bar gigs. YMMV and all that.
The silver face master volume amps always got a bad rap. I have own a 74 Twin Reverb with Warehouse Retro 30s and it is off the hook turn the master volume to 10 and it sounds like the blackface Twins.
Sounds like your just using the camera mic so your leg is in front of the amp on the right and there is more verb on the amp on the left. Not surprising the amp on the left sounded better. I’m sure the JBLs are a big part of that but this contest is not fair to the other amp.
It is analog . You do not rely on the number of the volume of the reverb. You depend on what you hear on how much the reverb is as you turn the knob. It is not digital.
It's a bit unfair to compare JBL's to the oxford units, also the casters will change how the cab resonates. With that said, I think the 1973 was hands down better in overall tone, clearer and more bass response. Now, if you are close to Portland Oregon, I have a 1973 with the Utah speakers in it, if you would like to hear it.
Guitar needed a fret job and was in tune. Frets had divots putting it out of tune when fretted. Soon after video, guitar got a new set of Stainless Steel frets.
oxfords whippin the shit out of those k112. why didnt you just get the d120F's? I'm sitting here with my cat listening and we were expecting to hear d120f's. Now i am more undertstanding than the cat, so I'm still here- but to be honest with you my cat has long since left the room. He may not forgive you. I suggest you warn the next group by changing the title. the 120F's probably woulda won
I gotta wonder how the 71 would sound with casters and JBLS in it. They'd be like twin Twins at that point. Put a stereo chorus between them and just drown the whole band out. Piss off the sound guy. Why not? Good times...
Why do so many of those old Fender amps have such an ugly look of the baffle showing through the grille cloth? Looks like shit! They built many that did not hve this design fault. I own one. WTF Over?!
Oxford 12T6 speakers are very good speakers. I have them in a 1979 Fender Silver Twin135 ultra-linear and I get complements on the crystal clean highs and full bottom/bass (which I love). I bought this amp new and never found a need to replace them. These JBLs sound great too.
the JBL's really bring the life out of the amp. jesus. so good
Jesus IS so good.
Wow... the JBL really does bring out the bass. It would be interesting to hear what an Oxford and a JBL together would do in each amp. Might give you the best of both worlds in both amps.
The JBL's definitely have more oomph, but I actually prefer the breathier, crisper sounding Oxfords. I own a '73 Twin with JBL K-120's, master volume and the often dreaded push-pull boost. It's all beat-up, stripped of its Tolex and weighs a ton, but man, it KILLS. Many people don't realize just how versatile a Twin can be if you know how to work the highly interactive tone controls. Here's a piece of advice for those who find their SF MV Twin too clean, sterile and shrill-sounding and lacking mids: Plug into the vibrato channel and turn ALL controls down to ZERO. Then turn your volume and master volume all the way up to 10 (don't worry, there will be NO sound as long as the tone controls are on 0). Now very slowly turn up your MID control. Your Twin will get very loud very fast and will have more grit and mids than ever before. Depending on what sound you're after and what guitar you use, you can then add treble and bass to taste and control the overall volume with the master. Like any amp, the Twin sounds best when it's being pushed to its limits, but if you want to keep the neighbors happy and the police at bay, the MID control is where the action is.
I'll try that tomorrow, have a 73 too but with e-120's
I will have to try that with my 1976 Master Volume Twin Reverb. I usually turn Bass, Treble and Mid to zero, Volume and MV all the way up, then turn treble and mid barely cracked on then use the bass control barely on to control the volume, sounds thick and full.
I bought my 73 Twin new $620 at Leo's Music in the bay area. It came with JBL K120s and I used those for years. One day I had the chance to play an identical Twin with EV SRO 'coffee can' speakers. Fantastic, smooth, warm, and even sounding. The JBLs were just too bright and seemed to quickly induce ear fatigue Too bad the EVs are at least as heavy as the JBLS. No fun to cart but a joy to play. I still have the Twin, blackfaced by Kendrick and now with FANE alnico speakers. My favorite thing is to plug the guitar into Input 1 of Channel 2, then run a cable out of Input 2 into my 20 watt Kendrick. I like the girth of the TR with the grit of the overdriven Kendrick floated on top.
i have a 74 twin with master volume. It has a pair of old G100 speakers and sounds Sublime.
I love the tone of the 73. The K112's are great!
71 for cleans, 73 for dirt.
Master volume 73 w jbls sounds better in this video. I agree w others on here. Speakers make a huge difference in your sound. More so than pickup swaps etc..
JBL Twin All the way . Always wanted one to play my 63 Gretch 6120 through .
I have the orange JBL"s in my '73. I changed them out with Naylors for more bluesy tone. I still got the JBL's though. Killer amp.I don't play it anymore. I might sell it with both pair of speakers for $1500.
I'm surprised how much I like the one with JBLs. It sounded much better when you were using the OCD pedal. In generally the '71 was darker and the reverb less pronounced. I'm sure you could tweak the tone and reverb to a closer match.
Huge reverb difference.... missing from the 71’
I have a '71 with D120Fs. It sounds much the same as the '73. I bought my '71 new and roaded the case to pieces. My current case I happened into by chance in Corpus Christi for $50. It's a '73 case so the speakers are vertically offset unlike the the original case.
I've always loved that amp for clean. A few years ago I started messing around with pedal steel and it's really a sound with steel.
@TheHardon1 Exactly. If you want to compare the amps, swap one JBL with one Oxford and then both amps have the same speaker complement. Otherwise, nobody knows how much you're comparing speakers instead of amps!
I have an early ‘72 Twin (before the push/pull master knob) and it takes certain pedals very well and others not as well. The OCD is good, but mine really sounds nice with an EHX Soul Food. I like the sound of the amp with the JBL speakers in this video, just sounds a little fuller to me.
Both sound really nice
very unfair comparison. the speakers have way more to do with any differences in tone than the different schematics of the two amps. Most people say JBL's dont do well with overdrive but they clearly are the winner here when overdrive was used
Schematic similar til 77
I love the JBLs but I have to admit. These Oxfords hold their ground with a differently but also very good sound. I didn't know they are that close together. I do prefer the JBLs. But that's because I play with a D130F and a K130 (which are identical)
I had a '77 Twin with master volume . . best thing I ever did was get an OCD pedal for it, just made it sing without peeling the paint off of the walls.
For some reason I’m not clear on this, can you crank the amp with the normal volume and get tube saturation, while having the master volume quiet enough to not melt your eardrums?
@@bluehole6019 Yes, mostly. I wouldn't consider a tube amp over 15 watts that did not have a master volume. Go to a Guitar Center and give it a try.
Both great amps . The guitar you are using and also the player is a factor on the sound you get .
yeah those JBL D120f or d131 speakers make all the difference. best speaker ever made for guitar ...imho. the silver domes through the grille is a give away - i have a bassman 100 i modified for guitar
Sir, i have an original 68 twin with d120f speakers, still sounds great I think..
85 watts? Rather heavy tho...still amazes me! with a tele
Honestly not hearing anything a speaker swap wouldn't fix. These amps were more or less more or less until they went to PCBs imho.
There's a bunch of tweaks you can make the to later UL ones to open them up and soften them off a bit. Modern speakers are WAY better!! The JBL's were great for their time but pretty much run of the mill today in terms of quality and complexity of tone. A $80 Warehouse speaker will get you there in 2020..
Fine comparison but there is much less reverb on the '71
I want to see the home of a man with two fender twins. I’m guessing 5k+ square feet sitting on 10 acres or more. I couldn’t imagine playing these inside a home.
Hey man cool demo! I have a '73 TR SF MV and I get volume drops or a cut out after playing for ahwile. Any ideas as to what I should be looking at inside?
sound like heating that might cause caps or resistors or both to change value(s) tolerances...
The JBL is a very efficient speaker compared to the Oxford Oxford could work well with the amp as they're not as loud as the jbl's and can make it a more usable amp
1973 JBL 👍
Mine has push pull master volume. Do you pull it out or leave it in for maximum tone? Thanks man, you sound great!
I liked to leave it pushed in and tuned to 10. Effectively taking the master out fo the circuit.
excellent
Do you mean JBL K120s? They do sound great. Definitely have that JBL sound. I don't have the most sensitive ear for the nuances of a lot of stuff that guitar guys get worked up about but the sound of JBLs is something I can definitely hear and it's worth it!
YEs, K120's thx. Fixed my typo.
the 73 with the JBL's wins the shoot out fat sound imo
That pedal that you use to switch, can you run it into the 73's clean and reverb and switch in between only using one amp? If so, which pedal do you recommend that works with that type of amp. Thanks.
It is a simple A/B switch that I built my self. Yes you can use it to switch between channel 1 and 2 of a single Twin amp. Or any other 2 channel amp.
if i cant build one myself, which ones work with it?
Why do you have the reverb engaged on the '73 but not on the '71?
And please tune your guitar
The reverb is on the same settings on both amps. One sounded better than the other at the exact same setting. The guitar was tuned with open strings and a digital tuner. The guitar has excessive fret wear after 20 years of playing. (I bought it new) Later I had all frets replaced with stainless steel frets. It now plays in tune on fretted notes.
What about the JBL D120F? I heard those are even better..the ones with the huge magnets..Have you heard those? The Oxfords are no match here. What year did they first put the master volume on the Twins, '72?
If I recall master volumes started showing in 72 yes. Of no concern. Leave the master on 12 and it sounds great. I have not tried the JBL D120F sorry. No insight to offer there.
Master on 12? Wouldnt that be fairly ear splitting if not in a large club? I have one with the JBL D120F, and it sounds great, I just want to totally maximize the tones.. do you have any advice for some great settings for this amp?
The Twin Rev sounds amazing at low volume. Leave the master on max. Do not use it to attenuate this amp. If you are attempting to turn this amp up to break up, you are using it wrong in my opinion. Roll up the EQ settings to your fave and play. This amp will sound just great with some built in reverb too.
Not using it for distortion. Want to get the greatest tones it can offer up. I got a Marshall for distortion. Not a fan of extreme gain. Looking for the best Hendrix-Stevie Ray type tones, MASSIVE HUGE, but not tons of gain... so, what settings would you recommend? I got JBL D120F speakers in it. Why have it on max volume? What does that do for it? I just want to maximize what this amp can do.
See my other video here. ua-cam.com/video/CJi1GECm5jg/v-deo.html Set your volume knob to the volume you want. Set and leave the master on 10. IMO it sucks tone from the amp as you turn the master down.
Nice demo but The one with JBL's has reverb more than the oxford . Not fair in my opinion. That is why the 71 sounds so dry.
I agree the 73 has more reverb, however I had had both knobs set the same on both amps. I should have upp'd the 71 Reverb setting a bit. However the biggest difference here is the speakers.
Is it possible to use in a bedroom? I live in apartment. I was looking for a Bassman e someone told me not to buy, becausa its too loud, so i imagine this is loud as well. Thanks!
Até pode, mas ter um Twin Reverb e não poder passar do volume 2 é um desperdício
That's not true. I run my Twin up to 4 or 5. It also sounds great at home on 2 or 3.
My grandfather played the shit out of twin reverbs. I don't know if you got one already or not. To put it simply, super quiet levels, you don't get any tone. At decent tone/volume level in a bedroom, it is not loud but it definitely has authority. Imagine your home stereo system at a good level, kicked up a click or two, like movie theater audio. After that, it goes to peel your eardrums off of the wall loud. Remember, they are designed for gigs and clubs. You can turn the volume down to really quiet, but the sound changes alot. Especially on the supers and ultra linears, your volume control will live somewhere between 1.5 and maybe 2.5/3 at the most. Anything past 3 will directly call the police for a noise complaint lol.
I've got a '69. They can do low volumes, obviously, but it's always a "big" sound even when it's not loud. It sounds perfectly nice turned down low, but it doesn't really "wake up" until 3.5 or so and by that point, it's pretty loud. Loud enough for me at bar gigs. YMMV and all that.
Get a vintage Princeton reverb and put a 12 inch baffle in a 12 inch speaker in it
The silver face master volume amps always got a bad rap. I have own a 74 Twin Reverb with Warehouse Retro 30s and it is off the hook turn the master volume to 10 and it sounds like the blackface Twins.
73 wins
Sounds like your just using the camera mic so your leg is in front of the amp on the right and there is more verb on the amp on the left. Not surprising the amp on the left sounded better. I’m sure the JBLs are a big part of that but this contest is not fair to the other amp.
Tienes aplicada la reverb en solo uno!! Por eso se escucha mas la diferencia entre cada uno.
Both have reverb. The 71 reverb is weaker. Both are set at the same reverb level.
It is analog . You do not rely on the number of the volume of the reverb. You depend on what you hear on how much the reverb is as you turn the knob. It is not digital.
JBL's all the way.
Verry good bro
try swopping the speakers, you'll be surprised.
73 better by a country mile.
JBl..way brighter and cleaner
The 73 is fuller . The other amp sounds muffled
It's a bit unfair to compare JBL's to the oxford units, also the casters will change how the cab resonates.
With that said, I think the 1973 was hands down better in overall tone, clearer and more bass response.
Now, if you are close to Portland Oregon, I have a 1973 with the Utah speakers in it, if you would like to hear it.
ixnay on the oxfarts
your shoe size must be US 15
Nope. US 12.
Test it with no pedals, show a bunch of different settings with no pedals.
Sorry I cannot. I no longer own the '73. I miss it. The '71 was returned to its owner.
Agree they are different, but you totally lost me as you switched between the two.
Turn on captions. I added text descriptions when I switched between the amps
73
always mic the amp
Plz tune ur guitar..this could have been a great video
Guitar needed a fret job and was in tune. Frets had divots putting it out of tune when fretted. Soon after video, guitar got a new set of Stainless Steel frets.
oxfords whippin the shit out of those k112. why didnt you just get the d120F's? I'm sitting here with my cat listening and we were expecting to hear d120f's. Now i am more undertstanding than the cat, so I'm still here- but to be honest with you my cat has long since left the room. He may not forgive you. I suggest you warn the next group by changing the title. the 120F's probably woulda won
I'd suggest what you like is your own preference. Some here like the K112 here. The free comments below support that.
Then why did the cat leave
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Ask the Cat. Maybe the CAT is a Marshall, Les Paul type. Or got bored because it prefers Boutique true by-pass pedals.
It's true he has always been a vintage cat
The Oxfords are trashed. New cones at a minimum.
I gotta wonder how the 71 would sound with casters and JBLS in it. They'd be like twin Twins at that point. Put a stereo chorus between them and just drown the whole band out. Piss off the sound guy. Why not? Good times...
I'm pretty sure the 71 would sound as good with the JBLs in it. This demo is more of a speaker comparison than an amp comparison really.
They both sound stuffed...
Why do so many of those old Fender amps have such an ugly look of the baffle showing through the grille cloth? Looks like shit! They built many that did not hve this design fault. I own one. WTF Over?!