Heheh, I can understand your perspective. However, it's my opinion that it's not both because advocating for yourself or otherwise not allowing yourself to be taken advantage of by "xyz" larger entity using clever means isn't a petty matter.
@@emoo2342 doesnt mean its not petty 💀💀 you have some serious victim complex lmao, frank doing that was petty as hell no matter the reason, just cause you killed a rich person to feed poor people doesnt mean you aint a murderer. i get you want to worship frank but accepting his flaws also adds value to his brilliance, a perfect person doesnt exists. if you keep worshipping him for the wrong reasons sooner or later you'll become a swifty 😂😂
He didn't scam them. He did the right thing. As soon as a label can't scam u everyone wants to say u scammed the label. He did his job. And got the most out of it. While the label gets the crumbs how it's supposed to be.
@@user-x3cctjs nope again lol…he got the name Frank Ocean from watching the movie Oceans 11 starring Frank Sinatra… he didn’t change his name…Francis is just a moniker for Frank🫶🏽
Basically his label tried to trap him so he basically gave them a mixtape called it album took the 2milion out of the 20m that apple gave him. Released "Blonde" exclusively on apple music and he own 100% master and royalties off that album. Def jam didn't see a dime of what was made off of "blonde"
In there somewhere is still one of the most underrated and I think unfinished interlude songs ever. It just sounds like such a good ballad and I know I'll never hear it finished cause they got the song rights probably and they dislike each other.
Also, starting from scratch is hella taxing both emotionally and logistically. Unless you already know people and how to do it, fresh artists most likely need the structure and connections of labels.
Frank is a God for getting back at these record labels. Been screwing and leveraging artists for their own profit for decades and he played them like a fiddle. Love to see it
Exactly he broke the promotion part of his contract! He's gotta to work harder now to gain royalties(performance and streaming)by teaming up with friends(and they had to have a name and publisher)touring or an album collab. Or he can get love from his old work when he was with Lucian. I don't consider it a wise move tbh🤷
@@Prince-eb8ll Drakes albums are distributed by republic records a division of universal which Lucian is apart of, Ovo is distributed & a subsidiary of Warner music
@@Prince-eb8ll You do realize that basically every major artist is under Universal, Sony or Warner. Some of them (like Drake) even have deals with more than one.
you got the cliffnotes fucked up. Channel Orange was written in 3 weeks (allegedly) not *made* in the 3 weeks. It took him around 9 months to record. 20 million was not for Endless, that was for Blonde. Endless was the album released to break the contract. It was just released in the most inconvenient way possible, so that Def Jam makes as little money as possible on it. That being said, Endless is also a fantastic album, and was re-released in physical form, without all the background noise of the visual album, because with exiting the record deal, he bought back his masters. Blonde was an album he hid from his label, and negotiated a 20million dollar exclusive apple deal for. And then later it released to spotify. But essentially, because he ended his contract with the release of Endless, all the 20m he made from blonde, was his.
I'm not into music history so much but I love the way you explained this!!!! Amazing. You're a great story teller. I was smiling like a kid listening to you loool x
Literally none of these people will stand the test of Time. Most of today's "A-List" celebrities will be nothing more than a footnote in the annals of history because nothing they've contributed is Truly Timeless and Lasting. Fast fame and fast money are always fleeting.
@@crptniteNot to be rude, but have you ever even heard of Frank Ocean? With the rise of so many artists today, Frank is still regarded as one of the best musical and lyrical people have ever known. It’s been, what, 12 years since Channel Orange and 8 years since Blonde? Almost a decade for both albums and still Frank is very largely missed. In my opinion, and I think others as well, Frank is a truly outstanding and timeless artist and one who will last a very, very long time.
@@crptniteyou're not wrong in saying it's pop culture. But two things can be true at the same time. Frank Ocean is a musician. The events explained have long since passed making it history. And it'll go down as one of the times that an artist got the better of the record label.
@TheCuttyBrown Nikes and Seigfred. And that was hard for me to say because I love the entire album. Also, have you heard Blonde entirely just the instrumentals? Chef's kiss!!!
Rocky said he played the Label At there own game and took millions. He was playing chess to the T with that label. Hey that’s the guy whom Kanye said Drake has at his Label. He called him drakes baby daddy Lucian.
@@BandileOnTV wait.. so if drake got 400 millions advance, and then to make a project and then when its time for him to sell that project, his project should do more than what the advances he's been given, right? is that how it works? i'm kinda curious..
I was in a pretty small-time group for like five years and was left with nothing to show for it. Album didn't come out, all kinds of money disappeared. My parents never got back $2000 they loaned the band but our manager (who did basically nothing and didn't even have a formal contract) got paid off when the band folded. This right here? This is the dream. He got paid. That's near impossible in the music industry. And if I even keep trying to do music full-time, I am taking notes
@@Synchro789 ??? youtube was being weird that day and not posting my comments so i sent it again. it’s a valid question, i didn’t look too deep into it but i didn’t think anything was out of the ordinary
i shamefully didn't listen to blonde i loved endless channel orange nostalgia ultra but i originally pirated a different version of Blond, which led me to think he fell off then retroactively listened to endless i've got it, maybe i'll listen
I'ma put it like this- they had the man writing some of the best songs for other artists and keeping him in the dark way too long. They were milking him. He wasn't the first, won't be the last. Every once in a while the little wins, that's okay.
I think part of why he doesn't make as much music anymore is because hes probably black balled, that mixed with maybe his own stuff he got going on probably just makes making music for the public seem...eh, not worth it anymore, especially since he got his own jewelry brand, probably is connected in the fashion industry. From a real world perspective I understand, i love his art for what it gave and it still gives, so ill cherish what he gave and be happy, all a supporter can do.
I think the only mixtape sounds like an album and done successfully is faces by Mac miller the way how the songs was put together told a story from beginning. The only bad part is some of the samples were taken out of it
People acting like endless is a fake album is crazy, it’s just an experimental album he couldn’t have released under contract cause it’s not commercial enough. But it’s a whole ass album that is insanely good too
Why did the guy say no more exclusive deals. Wasnt the biggest finesse that he sold them an album of him making stairs. The apple deal was just the icing on the cake for him. The guys real goal should have been to stop allowing artist to offer non music as music.
Tricking a multi billion dollar greedy label is not petty, it's humane. Him also prioritizing his finance is a genius move for living a free life. He isn't petty, he just tricked a label, got his bag and went on his way
Petty? No. Brilliant? Absolutely.
No reason it can't be both
Heheh, I can understand your perspective. However, it's my opinion that it's not both because advocating for yourself or otherwise not allowing yourself to be taken advantage of by "xyz" larger entity using clever means isn't a petty matter.
Nah. He's a scammer. He's since released nothing worthwhile and has fallen into obscurity.
@@emoo2342He is petty
@@emoo2342 doesnt mean its not petty 💀💀 you have some serious victim complex lmao, frank doing that was petty as hell no matter the reason, just cause you killed a rich person to feed poor people doesnt mean you aint a murderer. i get you want to worship frank but accepting his flaws also adds value to his brilliance, a perfect person doesnt exists. if you keep worshipping him for the wrong reasons sooner or later you'll become a swifty 😂😂
The amount of times labels have scammed artist is immense. If an artist does it, it's considered petty? 😂
he used the word petty for clicks, saying he's smart wouldn't get as many
and also for comments saying he's not petty for more engagement
He didn't scam them. He did the right thing. As soon as a label can't scam u everyone wants to say u scammed the label. He did his job. And got the most out of it. While the label gets the crumbs how it's supposed to be.
Petty is good sometimes
but that still doesn't change the fact that he did something petty companies would also do tho
love that you called him Franklin when his govt. first name is Christopher lmao
middle name franklin but people would be confused if I called him Christopher so just said franklin
@@xeviuniversenope his middle name is Edwin😂😂😂
Then he doubled down and was still wrong chile I love it here 😂😂😂😂😂
@@ShantayeShantayehe changed his middle name to francis
@@user-x3cctjs nope again lol…he got the name Frank Ocean from watching the movie Oceans 11 starring Frank Sinatra… he didn’t change his name…Francis is just a moniker for Frank🫶🏽
Petty? No. Bright enough to not get swindled? Yes.
Lucian twirling Drake’s hair in bed: “You won’t do me like Frankie did me?” Drake: “never daddy!”
😂
You wildin…😂😂😂😂
Screaming 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂
"Now bend over certified lover boy" 😂
Franklin finessed Drizzy Baby Father
BBL Drizzy
Yep 😂
Cute, not funny tho. But yea Frank was slick and smart with that, credit were credit is due
Basically his label tried to trap him so he basically gave them a mixtape called it album took the 2milion out of the 20m that apple gave him. Released "Blonde" exclusively on apple music and he own 100% master and royalties off that album. Def jam didn't see a dime of what was made off of "blonde"
blonde wasn't exclusive to apple music it's on Spotify and UA-cam
Endless is the one exclusive to Apple Music
Plot twist : Fans won this battle cause Endless is also insanely good👬
yeah fr. I was gonna say a few of my favorite songs are on Endless
Yea I dont think hes capable of making bad songs I just think it was the songs that didnt fit into the "blond" theme
In there somewhere is still one of the most underrated and I think unfinished interlude songs ever.
It just sounds like such a good ballad and I know I'll never hear it finished cause they got the song rights probably and they dislike each other.
@@nazareneoftheway3936 he'll probably make a similar but better version someday (keep in mind, endless is basically a b-sides album)
Tbh
Moral of the story;
Don’t sign to nobody no matter the mula.
I feel like that's easy to say but there's a very good reason that nearly every big artist is under a record label despite how shitty they are
@@Lucarioguild7 yeah everybody got their reasons, words are easy
Also, starting from scratch is hella taxing both emotionally and logistically. Unless you already know people and how to do it, fresh artists most likely need the structure and connections of labels.
Frank is a God for getting back at these record labels. Been screwing and leveraging artists for their own profit for decades and he played them like a fiddle. Love to see it
He's just a guy he's not a god
I just know someone is going to animate a few of these! The back and forth between characters is hilarious 😂
And that's why we don't hear his music anymore.
The labels making sure radio or anywhere else they control never play his music again.
Exactly he broke the promotion part of his contract! He's gotta to work harder now to gain royalties(performance and streaming)by teaming up with friends(and they had to have a name and publisher)touring or an album collab. Or he can get love from his old work when he was with Lucian. I don't consider it a wise move tbh🤷
@@cidcoleman2262 $20 million says otherwise.
Dafaq you talking about. He hasn't released a new music in ages lol. Ofc hes not getting played
@@Otherlevel51 🎯🎯🎯
@@cidcoleman2262Frank is an independent artist. Independent artists own 100% of their royalties
Ah so that's the lucian that be giving Drake backshots
😂😂
Yeah, see why everyone doesn't just dislike Drake in the industry part he's at, they also think he's a puppet artist for universal.
@@nazareneoftheway3936Drake is not even at universal
@@Prince-eb8ll Drakes albums are distributed by republic records a division of universal which Lucian is apart of, Ovo is distributed & a subsidiary of Warner music
@@Prince-eb8ll You do realize that basically every major artist is under Universal, Sony or Warner. Some of them (like Drake) even have deals with more than one.
you got the cliffnotes fucked up.
Channel Orange was written in 3 weeks (allegedly) not *made* in the 3 weeks. It took him around 9 months to record.
20 million was not for Endless, that was for Blonde. Endless was the album released to break the contract. It was just released in the most inconvenient way possible, so that Def Jam makes as little money as possible on it.
That being said, Endless is also a fantastic album, and was re-released in physical form, without all the background noise of the visual album, because with exiting the record deal, he bought back his masters.
Blonde was an album he hid from his label, and negotiated a 20million dollar exclusive apple deal for. And then later it released to spotify. But essentially, because he ended his contract with the release of Endless, all the 20m he made from blonde, was his.
Endless was an Apple Music exclusive though
I'm not into music history so much but I love the way you explained this!!!! Amazing. You're a great story teller. I was smiling like a kid listening to you loool x
This is pop culture, not music history.
Literally none of these people will stand the test of Time. Most of today's "A-List" celebrities will be nothing more than a footnote in the annals of history because nothing they've contributed is Truly Timeless and Lasting.
Fast fame and fast money are always fleeting.
@@crptniteNot to be rude, but have you ever even heard of Frank Ocean? With the rise of so many artists today, Frank is still regarded as one of the best musical and lyrical people have ever known. It’s been, what, 12 years since Channel Orange and 8 years since Blonde? Almost a decade for both albums and still Frank is very largely missed. In my opinion, and I think others as well, Frank is a truly outstanding and timeless artist and one who will last a very, very long time.
@@crptniteyou're not wrong in saying it's pop culture. But two things can be true at the same time.
Frank Ocean is a musician. The events explained have long since passed making it history. And it'll go down as one of the times that an artist got the better of the record label.
Nah the timing of this video is mad I was bumping Blonde a couple mins ago lol
😅😂🤣🤣
Whats better then Nights or Pink + White ?
The amount of times something like this has happened to me is lowkey suspicious lol
@TheCuttyBrown Nikes and Seigfred. And that was hard for me to say because I love the entire album. Also, have you heard Blonde entirely just the instrumentals? Chef's kiss!!!
@@danyelleorr-mcneil4711 I'll check it out
48 LAWS OF POWER ISH
Type shii 😎
Definetly not. What he did is faaar more creative than that book
@@shueibdahir?
we just out here idolizing sociopathic books now?
@@nikonmikon8915 Yes. You can pretend to be a better person than us but human nature is always the same. Great book to learn how to defend yourself.
Lucian was a werewolf but Frank said no, he an AWAREwolf 🙏🏼🤘
🐺🐺🔥🔥
Rocky said he played the Label
At there own game and took millions. He was playing chess to the T with that label. Hey that’s the guy whom Kanye said Drake has at his Label. He called him drakes baby daddy Lucian.
Drake got 400 million from UMG 🤷♂️
@@fullmetal2455$400M advance is crazy 🤣
@@BandileOnTV wait.. so if drake got 400 millions advance, and then to make a project and then when its time for him to sell that project, his project should do more than what the advances he's been given, right? is that how it works? i'm kinda curious..
@@fullmetal2455and he doesnt own anything he makes.
@@kasanova749 we don't know that. He probably splits his masters. Drake has insane leverage with his catalog.
Frank Ocean isn’t Petty he’s the spirit of Sam Cooke n coming back around - getting equity finally ! Yes Frank that’s how you do it
Damn that man was truly standing on business
Keep dropping these vids you have me interested bro
I was in a pretty small-time group for like five years and was left with nothing to show for it. Album didn't come out, all kinds of money disappeared. My parents never got back $2000 they loaned the band but our manager (who did basically nothing and didn't even have a formal contract) got paid off when the band folded.
This right here? This is the dream. He got paid. That's near impossible in the music industry. And if I even keep trying to do music full-time, I am taking notes
I’ve watched a few videos on this and I feel like yours explains what he did in the most concise and clear way out there.
You left out the part where they pulled a princess diana on franks brother
you really think it was a hit job and not a true accident?
@@ames-inthe-grasssus bot part of the hit squad
THANK YOU!! i knew when i found out a couple years ago when he passed it was def jams
Wait what? What happened to his bro?
@@Synchro789 ??? youtube was being weird that day and not posting my comments so i sent it again. it’s a valid question, i didn’t look too deep into it but i didn’t think anything was out of the ordinary
That’s not petty, that’s good business 😂
wft! how you explained this story was great
Frank really went out there and finessed the finessers, well played 💯
I miss his music
And I still listen to Blonde at least twice a week to this day 😂
i shamefully didn't listen to blonde
i loved
endless
channel orange
nostalgia ultra
but i originally pirated a different version of Blond, which led me to think he fell off
then retroactively listened to endless
i've got it, maybe i'll listen
You can't rate it off of the fake version
Extremely extremely shameful. I am jealous of you listening to it for the first time
@@HeyitsBri_💯 being able to experience great art for the first time is the best feeling in the world.
That’s a you problem. The fact that you’d even admit to all this is embarrassing
lol why u talk like that.
Ahhh so that's what happens when you read the terms and conditions
The funniest part is that endless is a masterpiece anyways
The scammers got out smarted!
He beat them at there own game. He just played chess better
I know labels HATE this man. 🔥🔥🔥
This is a master class for finessing
This man's a genius, and I didn't know.
I'ma put it like this- they had the man writing some of the best songs for other artists and keeping him in the dark way too long. They were milking him. He wasn't the first, won't be the last. Every once in a while the little wins, that's okay.
I love your content. Everything about it!! I'm so glad I'm here before you blow up to monumental proportions.
You call it petty, I call it the wisdom of my people. Man I’m happy he outsmarted “the man” ☺️🎉🎊
Now this is great business up coming artist need to view this material
Yoo this nigga knows how to tell a story I started listening an hour ago and I haven't been able to stop❤
All thanks to Tyler. Great friends lead to great advicd
I think part of why he doesn't make as much music anymore is because hes probably black balled, that mixed with maybe his own stuff he got going on probably just makes making music for the public seem...eh, not worth it anymore, especially since he got his own jewelry brand, probably is connected in the fashion industry.
From a real world perspective I understand, i love his art for what it gave and it still gives, so ill cherish what he gave and be happy, all a supporter can do.
Nostalgia/Ultra is one of the best mixtapes ever created 🧡🔥
Endless is a beautiful album
the audio is tweakkingg
Frank is a smart man!😂
i miss him🥺
Incredibly inspiring. When the odds are against you there is still a way.
I wish I was this smart
Endless is still fire btw 🤌
This was the best vid I’ve seen on this and I’ve seen a bunch simple but effective
I think the only mixtape sounds like an album and done successfully is faces by Mac miller the way how the songs was put together told a story from beginning. The only bad part is some of the samples were taken out of it
That’s why blond is my favorite radio station on GTA V 😂😂😂 homie you need a tv show for these stories fr
Really enjoyed your delivery of the story my g
& Endless actually *is* an album that is also amazing.
People acting like endless is a fake album is crazy, it’s just an experimental album he couldn’t have released under contract cause it’s not commercial enough. But it’s a whole ass album that is insanely good too
Why did the guy say no more exclusive deals. Wasnt the biggest finesse that he sold them an album of him making stairs. The apple deal was just the icing on the cake for him. The guys real goal should have been to stop allowing artist to offer non music as music.
There was a few issues but him getting paid so much from the exclusive deal made it so he doesnt technically need the record label for anything.
I don’t think any artist can be petty towards a record label. Record Labels are on top of the petty list.
i love this random celebrity information that i never knew😔🔥
Bro love your videos, binge em often. Love to see you make some longer form content.
Ooh I could listen to you for hours 😊❤
Hell yea, keep these vids coming 👏🏾
That’s A DOPE of narrative 🤣.. Long life to you brother 🫡🙏🏾
Boy do I love a story with a happy ending.
He Didn't Finesse them, He paid them back their Money. No It's that he didn't allow them to finesse HIM
it’s crazy being a musician who’s about to embark on his music career and realize how simple the industry works
Blonde is straight up one of the best albums in hip-hop/r&b too
I listened to Endless more than Blonde, Frank is a phenomenal artists
There's always a benefit to being underestimated.
Dope! I love how you broke that down
Endless is a great album too so idk who really got finessed
Frank oceans favorite artist of all time is prince. It makes sense
Genius and I can't express enough the balls this takes. To make such powerful enemies.
Franks a genius. Businesses wise and especially musically. Still got his shit on repeat 🔥🔥🔥
Frank is a finesser not a scammer 😂😂😂😂
Record labels are the biggest crooks
The craziest part is his visual album actually had a lot of great music on there
When he said "for free?" It reminded me of the scene where kendrick chased that girl around a fountain 😂
Tricking a multi billion dollar greedy label is not petty, it's humane. Him also prioritizing his finance is a genius move for living a free life. He isn't petty, he just tricked a label, got his bag and went on his way
But whats funny is endless is still a fantastic listen.
Bruh why did you skip channel orange? 🤦🏿♂️
also the album he made as decoy is good
Your breakdown is crazy!!
This is an artistic win.
And endless is still a masterpiece
Sounds like a genius to me
Im glad, they got a small taste of what they have been doing to people for years
Can you do a video on this Lucian guy i hear his name brought up alot
Ill see if I can!
You earned a sub bruv, BREATH OF FRESH AIR
Man's a real world Constantine.
I like the way you tell stories
Prince would be proud. A very well done to him!.
this is funny hearing every time ...he really pulled one of the greatest run offs on a plug ever
someone is gonna make a frank ocean movie one day and this exact series of events is gonna go down lmao
no way frank lowkey a genius 😭😭😭WwwWW
That was a smart move
Calling "Endless" "weird stair album" is diabolical lmao.
Genius Prince and Mike Jack level
Endless is actually my favorite album of his. The At Your Best cover is divine
Frank be playing 4d chess