Man yall know better. In the hood or in the suburbs. Right is right and wrong is wrong. No matter where you live. Every person knows and has feelings that says " hey this is wrong". " I should not hurt take or deceive this person or business ." Common sense. Yall have elders. We all do. Look and listen to them. But yall don't and blame it on the environment. From the mud brings great tall powerful trees.
In a weird way this sort of discussion reminds me of when Frodo and Sam first meet Gollum in the books, and Frodo calls out that the only time he thinks Gollum is being honest or as honest as possible is when he refers to himself as "I" instead of We or Us
Right!!? I actually bursted out laughing it's so insane xD like maybe think about NOT committing multiple crimes after getting that "slap on the wrist". The audacity to then shift the blame to the "system" instead of taking responsibility for his own actions jesus christtt
@dylanlong4052 Nope, that's not double jeopardy at all. Double jeopardy is being tried twice for the same crime, this is when you're sentenced more harshly because you were given leniency and committed *another* offense.
His dishonesty was pretty telling when he was even downplaying the crime his son committed. Dude said “he got in a fight with an Asian guy and the guy ran in the street and died.” What actually happened was that his son and his son’s friends were trying to rob an “Asian guy”, who happened to be a genius grad student, who was hit by oncoming traffic when he tried to flee while being disoriented from a physical assault. Describing such an event by downplaying the victim and his life’s contributions, downplaying the premeditation and nature of the event/its perpetrators, and essentially describing the death as an unfortunate side effect of an otherwise equal fault interaction is classic manipulation. Joe Rogan basically did 0 research and let him just tell the stories that he concocted over the course of decades in prison, that paint him in the best possible light and minimize all of his criminal choices. Dude couldn’t even say that he was done with the life without the humble bragging that he was essentially “forced” out because he was too good at his job and was a threat to the active crews
The problem is even after Johnson was arrested for cutting someone up Rogan still complains the criminal justice system is bad and blames hard time for Johnson doing this
@@night6724 Rogan is and always was a total idiot. He's naive, cocky, proud, stoned. He couldn't see what this guy was about right away, with his cocky street attitude and manipulation. This guy had no remorse for anything in his life, where many change in prison and don't talk the hustle when they get out but sound intelligent and schooled.
You honestly could tell that guy was probably a narcissist when he, unlike so many other people who are genuine rehabilitated criminals, didn't take responsibility for his actions and tried to distance himself from them when he spoke about what happened: "he got hit with on the head the gun" (instead of "I hit him with the gun") or "unfortunately she got cauight up in the situation..." or "they robbed her" (i.e. the people he was robbing with, trying to make it seem like they hurt the girl but not him... come on...). Unlike people who aren't guilty, he knows he's guilty yet he still tries to distance himself from his actions, and that's classic narccissim mantra, a.k.a The narcissit's prayer: That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault. And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did, you deserved it.
He seemed entitled, like "I need MY money back" in a sense of kind of "you don't understand, you are not important, you have to cater to me and my needs only" type of mentality
This is definitely helpful. When I used to watch podcasts more religiously, I got hints when the guest was not a useful source of information and I treated as such, but it's good to get concrete signs to look for.
This is hitting hard. I dated someone with a personality disorder, ADHD and anxiety disorder, and it got to the point where I couldn't get my needs met in the relationship and I wasn't allowed to have expectations, because it would be, idk, unfair? I went on to therapy and they went on to date my friend. I'm happy I chose that it wasn't the right relationship for me. If one has issues that prevent them from being in a healthy relationship, they should work on them or not be in a relationship. It's okay to not me mentally well, it doesn't make anyone bad, but it also doesn't mean another person should sacrifice their life for their comfort. That would just enable dysfunction. Great video Charlie! ✨ We need to live for ourselves!
Excellent post. As someone with major depressive disorder, it is still my responsibility to make an earnest effort to be reciprocal and giving. If I can’t do that, I shouldn’t be in a relationship. It’s very simple. Having a mental illness does not grant you special privileges that are just naked self-interest
Another perspective on that: Blaming yourself can become this weird irony that you start avoiding responsibility because you always focus on "how I get here" not on "how I get out of here". I spend many year in self-destruction always thinking "If I did this diferent or that" or that I was personally flawed. This form of masochism never helped anyone. The journey to healing starts with self compassion. Blaming is about shame, compassion is about love, nurturing. This is not avoiding responsibility, though. Like the phrase goes, " it's not MY problem, but I am the only one that can fix it". But when you realize that there is good in you, you start to feel repulse in evil, and will try to align your actions with that good. But you need to realize it's there.
I admire you for being able to go back and continue watching this for a teaching moment. When these liars hit my liar cord I can not continue watching them. It makes me for real squirm. Thanks.
I speclise in complex trauma and severe, trauma-related mental health issues, including ‘personality disorders’. (By the way, he was imprisoned for attempted murder, etc., not a ‘minor assault charge’. 🖤) *There were **_so_** many red flags in this interview:* •Clearly *disingenuous,* as can be observed throughout with both speech and non-verbal communication 🚩 •Demonstrated *strong traits of narcissism* 🚩 • *No empathy* evidenced 🚩 •Total *disregard* for *impact on victims* 🚩 •Blabbered *repetitive spiel undoubtedly learnt in prison* (saying we _want to hear_ / the _‘right’ thing)_ 🚩 *Shallow affect* 🚩 • _Still_ appeared *angry towards his victims,* despite _25 years_ passing 🚩 • Actively engaged in *victim-blaming* 🚩 • *Condoned his crimes* 🚩 • Implied victims _deserved_ the violence/ trauma 🚩 • *Separated himself* from the attempted murder via use of *linguistic barricades* 🚩 • *Minimised* this attempted murder, false imprisonment, battery and robbery he committed 🚩 After being released from prison the very first time, he *went straight back out to commit* this attempted murder he is speaking of. *(Pattern of reoffending)* 🚩 With the *lack of effective rehabilitation* in American prisons and all the *glaring red flags,* I’m *_not surprised whatsoever_* that he immediately reoffended with even greater aggression, resentment and sadistic tendencies. People *_can_* change, but they only do within *_the right environment_* and with the *_necessary tools_* and *_influencing factors._* US prisons need *EXTREME reform.*
some people can't change, that's a fairy tale. dude chopped someone's head off ffs, he's a psycho. if he got put away for good the first time around, none of this shit would've happened.
some people cant change and the change in the system might be: separatoing disturbed and antysocial people, like for real. I cant believe theyre released - it was easy for me to spot most of the flags and Im not even therapist. There should be more education about NBP BPD and PPD cause they are manipulative and thats the way they roll for YEARS hurting people & laughing in the face of laws people created to protect themselves
I’m almost sensing a bit of pride when he talks about the robbery. He tries to cover it up as best as he can and it just comes off wrong. I’ve seen so much of that smug behaviour by people who have committed crimes and violence in my life.
The amazing thing was he did the same thing when describing how he came back into the real world. He couldn’t just say that he was done with the life and regretted it, he had to throw in a humble brag about how it was “better” for the new crews without him and he was essentially forced out because they would be threatened by him.
If people are even more interested, I recommend checking out Actual Justice Warrior's video on this incident to get the full context on Sheldon Johnson. His "minor assaults" weren't minor.
That's how I originally saw this story. It's good that other people are covering it. Especially from an angle to learning and self improvement. Shawn was basically going after the programs that defends these kinds of people, but that won't solve anything. Only increase the culture war divide.
Thanks for the recommendation. I had only watch the clips from that podcast that JRE posted on YT and smelt bullshit very quickly. Glad to see others sniffed it as well even before he was charged post podcast.
That guys was absolutely the least believable ex con that Josh brought onto Joe's show. I got that vibe when he was talking that there was so much he was leaving out that incriminated him
Guys obviously the real problem is the lack of entitlement. What we need is more rhetoric about how helpless and put upon Sheldon is. If only people would have given him more airtime to pontificate on his victimhood, this never would have happened.
your commentary about the implied meaning of "catch a case" is very insightful and interesting. never realized it but it's true! Shows how our language can often shape our worldview and way of doing things without us knowing.
Sometimes the person wants to avoid re-living the experience but I think it's kind of easy to distinguish between someone trying to avoid traumatic memories or what this guy was doing...
Trusting my gut and not letting others skew my perception of someone was the best thing i ever did. My old friend was telling me that this girl i was talking too was bad buisness (he knew her years ago) but i said id give her a fair chance especially since something inside of me really trusted and liked her... well... were now years later, engaged and have a daughter, and I couldn't be happier trusting my gut
The "you" "I" and "shrug" thing is way more serious than most people realize as proven by Sheldon's story, even to the ones that are socially skilled. I've been listening to you since I was a kid so my brain's been wired by all those wisdom so for some years now I didn't even need to watch your content anymore.......at least that's what I thought. Clearly this astronomically underrated video proved me wrong. Thanks big bro.
Thank you for the part about turning our judgment on ourselves. I always think I’m in the wrong. Way too many times have I given people the “benefit of the doubt” and my instincts ended up being right
I actually did the same thing but it was Josh Dubin that I felt was being more manipulative. I knew the kind of person Sheldon was as soon as he opened his mouth, it was Josh that I had the problem with… he hides behind this virtuous mask of protecting people who have been wronged by the justice system. After listening to him clearly & blatantly manipulating everyone listening to him I had to tune out, it was just to much. Rogan needs to do a better job at vetting people before they come on his pod.
I have tried to watch a couple of episodes with Josh - and about 15-20 min in, I've stopped, because he just complete rubs me the wrong way. It's not even, necessarily, that I object to what he's saying. I just can't stand listening to him.
This socioeconomic statement is such bullshit and it’s just a way for people to give excuses for bad behavior. Just because you have a bad childhood doesn’t mean you have to do bad things. We can be aware that as humans no matter where we come from we are capable of doing good and bad things. That is the human experience. It’s all about free will
Lol. I couldn't watch that Rogan episode either. For some reason, both guests just rubbed me the wrong way. I wasn't all that shocked to find out that Ol Sheldon ended up with a head in his freezer.
Very insightful of the subtle communications and very well presented. Thanks for the quality content, it was intriguing, entertaining, and with a touch of deliberate application and mindfulness, likely this will be very valuable.
What gave me the massive red flag that this guy hadn't change.. is when he described that he was very organized and was very strict on following rules within his gang/operations. He was basically stroking his ego and explaining why he was/is so good at the crime lifestyle. In the same breath he said that it was in the best interest of his gang to let him go. That sealed the deal for me
Severe poverty can lead to crime, true. What the poor neighbors in the States experience is nothing related to that. It's freeing to call the horse a horse. Only there we can start building up. I lived poverty, well beyond what any low income place of today can imagine, and there was no crime of any kind. In fact it was so rare, we never knew where the prisons were in those cities. We're talking about taking responsibility? Facing responsibility is hard but crucial to fixing the situation. First you shouldn't be ashamed to look at the problem without the blinders on. On ground research and identification. No tainted books of popular opinions that lead to ignorance
I would add: A person having a victim pattern doesn't mean they are lying, but the pattern on itself can start behaviors you disapprove/don't want in your life. Two things can be truth at the same time and victims (even though we don't like to think about that) will often get baggage that brokes or damages relationships if untreated or start a victim mentality that is problematic on itself ( this is not about "blaming victims", it's saying "hey, I understand why you become like that but this is harming you and others. Let's fix that ")
I am not a psychologist or anything. I had a hard time listening him. It seems like nothing changed in him except the realization that he needed to "change" something or else he would be stuck in the crap situation that he was already in. No idea If he committed the newest crime but there is a lot missing from his past story. Like why was he in the hole so often? Why did the judge feel like 25 years wasn't enough?
the most difficult part to get past the manipulation is josh dubin believing in him, if you trust josh dubin like rogan does, you might think "if josh belives in him, i'll give him the benefit of the doubt".
You also have to notice when he said i need my money he nod his head saying "no" but he trynna get everybody else to agree with him and say "yes" you have the right to assult someone for your money.. hes waiting for affirmation.. but his body obviously is his biggest tell.. he contricted he words with his body language
You don’t need to spot his body language. This dude is a criminal with no remorse and he said so: “Unfortunately she got caught up in the situation”? Means she included her with no care. That just shows the type of person he is. He told everyone EXACTLY the person that he is!
Thank you for this video. And now that Sheldon Johnson was found with a head in his freezer and a torso in a container in his apartment and was arrested whom is he going to blame for this one. Will he take responsibility?
No one cares if he'll take responsibility. Even if he does, it changes nothing in no ones mind or heart, his reality now is that he has amounted to amounts to absolute fu** all in life.
Just because someone experienced a horrific childhood and terrible social circumstances doesn’t mean they aren’t exceptionally dangerous to society. That factor goes into sentencing and probation decisions, especially looking at prior, recent crimes. You can have empathy & work to make communities and resources better while protecting today’s citizens from coming into contact with dangerous people who victimize others. Interesting video. The distancing language was creepy.
IMO, his body language and tonality was well put together, overall calm and level headed. It's only when I analyzed his verbals and statements about his story that there were inconsistencies, also thanks to the other guy who's a defense lawyer overselling him that alone made me more suspicious. Also it maybe profiling but his white T-Shirt with the logo of QUEENS DEFENDERS, and why he'd deliberately chooses to wear that T-shirt is a bit out of place. In terms of body language and tone, what may have set off some alarm bells intuitively for me, is those micro shrugs and too much mouth shrugging around events that led to his arrest, and events of criminality, and events where he's ascribing morality of himself(these are also called epistemic shrugs as these are non-verbal tells of the subconscious. Typically meaning I don't know, got nothing to add' or feeling uncertainty, feeling unsure to continue or unsure how to respond') now here I'd disagree with Charlie if we're treating these shrugs as a confident sign of deception and manipulation. EVERYONE HAS TO ESTABLISH BASELINE! Just shrugging alone itself is not strong indication of deception and manipulation and deflecting, it's just a signaling of feeling unsure, uncertainty, and feeling you have nothing to add to the story or statements made, that's all. You all have to carefully establish baseline and contextualize otherwise it's the same old problem of jumping to a conclusion of it's definite deception when it's just feeling uncertainty and nothing to add to a story/statements. Being honest even I had a bit of a difficult time establishing his baseline as this is the only footage I've seen and initially he carried himself very well and is quite calm, too calm, but what I can say is the moments of him shrugging when he's making affirmative claims, when he says 'I need the money.' does mouth shrugging, a little bit of shoulder shrugging, AND head shaking(in western cultures head shaking means thinking/feeling disagreeable, distant, defensive, disapproval, disappointment, basically a feeling of refusal of who/what's causing you some uncomfortableness.) THAT'S in terms of body language analysis is when I strongly felt there's more to the story, that he's withholding key details.
this is my first time watching your video on this but i feel like you're going to mention someone using language that removes their role in actions, this guy on rogans interview was using all kinds of phrases like "she got caught up in it" and crap like that whenever something he was responsible for happened
NO CHANGE OF HEART!!! We all need Jesus man, and we NEED TO FOLLOW HIM SO WE ACTUALLY CHANGE!!! Just “finding Jesus” or “finding religion” because it serves you is nothing. You are still a mess and it’s going to hurt you and everyone you care about. We’ve all FOUND someone who “FOUND” Jesus that where the only thing that changed about them is they now think God is there to get them off the hook.
Think of the NBA. Everyone in the world knows how to shoot a basketball, but until you place them in a situation to where their knowledge is put to the test, everything they say should be suspect.
Man yall know better. In the hood or in the suburbs. Right is right and wrong is wrong. No matter where you live. Every person knows and has feelings that says " hey this is wrong". " I should not hurt take or deceive this person or business ." Common sense. Yall have elders. We all do. Look and listen to them. But yall don't and blame it on the environment. From the mud brings great tall powerful trees.
if someone is speaking of their emotions, speaking of others emotions, trying to figure out your emotions or dictate others emotions. its all manipulation. lets discuss undeniable observations rather than abstract impositions
There's a reason why you can't make that face (the "manipulator" expression of displeasure in the beginning of your example video). The problem with that is that you were taught to only express agreeable body language your entire life, even in cases when it's beneficial for you to show truthfulness, yet in a deterring way. I actually can say that I can only envision you making one single face of disagreement (in every adversary situation of any kind, rather serious, severe or somewhat unleasant) I'd be surprised to see you accurately relating disagreement in the proper situation. This is sometime I noticed in 85% of the people when encountering your group of peers.(And I'm being generous. It's closer to 95%) Negativity, disagreement and disappointment must be related very correctly in order to have have abundant social access, friends and great communication. If you can master that, life becomes extremely smooth and headache free.
“My fist happened to be near his upper facial area & inexplicably he got his face punched in by mysterious circumstances. He attracted my arm into his body by mental magnetic forces, thus I am exempt from any wrongdoing.“
“You killed him??”
“No i shot him. The bullets and the fall killed him...”
-Collateral
Not to mention society. Society made me do it. Or society can make YOU do things rather. I'm innocent.
The criminal's mental gymnastics is insane. He got off easy on a gun charge, violated the probation, and called that entrapment.
He also turned down a much better deal and blew trial.
You know what? Living in the hood unfortunately brain washes you to think this way. 🙏😔.
Man yall know better. In the hood or in the suburbs. Right is right and wrong is wrong. No matter where you live. Every person knows and has feelings that says " hey this is wrong". " I should not hurt take or deceive this person or business ." Common sense. Yall have elders. We all do. Look and listen to them. But yall don't and blame it on the environment. From the mud brings great tall powerful trees.
@@lilCaribbean77 i dont believe you. thats a verbal shrug, a 'you' pronoun and a passive verb.
In a weird way this sort of discussion reminds me of when Frodo and Sam first meet Gollum in the books, and Frodo calls out that the only time he thinks Gollum is being honest or as honest as possible is when he refers to himself as "I" instead of We or Us
😂 this comment tho. Man on point
This is absolutely prime Charlie right here. Psychological defender of the people
When they tried to become God, they made Him
The "entrapment" argument is so wild.
Right. Double jeopardy, maybe. Entrapment, no.
Lol@@dylanlong4052 Yeah, he's just a walking Narcissist's prayer honestly
Right!!? I actually bursted out laughing it's so insane xD like maybe think about NOT committing multiple crimes after getting that "slap on the wrist". The audacity to then shift the blame to the "system" instead of taking responsibility for his own actions jesus christtt
@dylanlong4052 Nope, that's not double jeopardy at all. Double jeopardy is being tried twice for the same crime, this is when you're sentenced more harshly because you were given leniency and committed *another* offense.
Guess what his opinion would be if the first charge was punished harshly
His dishonesty was pretty telling when he was even downplaying the crime his son committed. Dude said “he got in a fight with an Asian guy and the guy ran in the street and died.”
What actually happened was that his son and his son’s friends were trying to rob an “Asian guy”, who happened to be a genius grad student, who was hit by oncoming traffic when he tried to flee while being disoriented from a physical assault. Describing such an event by downplaying the victim and his life’s contributions, downplaying the premeditation and nature of the event/its perpetrators, and essentially describing the death as an unfortunate side effect of an otherwise equal fault interaction is classic manipulation. Joe Rogan basically did 0 research and let him just tell the stories that he concocted over the course of decades in prison, that paint him in the best possible light and minimize all of his criminal choices. Dude couldn’t even say that he was done with the life without the humble bragging that he was essentially “forced” out because he was too good at his job and was a threat to the active crews
The problem is even after Johnson was arrested for cutting someone up Rogan still complains the criminal justice system is bad and blames hard time for Johnson doing this
@@night6724 Rogan is and always was a total idiot. He's naive, cocky, proud, stoned. He couldn't see what this guy was about right away, with his cocky street attitude and manipulation. This guy had no remorse for anything in his life, where many change in prison and don't talk the hustle when they get out but sound intelligent and schooled.
And Asian Americans are supposed to give away their college admissions to these people who kill them in the streets?
You honestly could tell that guy was probably a narcissist when he, unlike so many other people who are genuine rehabilitated criminals, didn't take responsibility for his actions and tried to distance himself from them when he spoke about what happened: "he got hit with on the head the gun" (instead of "I hit him with the gun") or "unfortunately she got cauight up in the situation..." or "they robbed her" (i.e. the people he was robbing with, trying to make it seem like they hurt the girl but not him... come on...). Unlike people who aren't guilty, he knows he's guilty yet he still tries to distance himself from his actions, and that's classic narccissim mantra, a.k.a The narcissit's prayer:
That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.
This exactly!
He seemed entitled, like "I need MY money back" in a sense of kind of "you don't understand, you are not important, you have to cater to me and my needs only" type of mentality
@@Doogleraia Yes, it's called scoring high on dark triad traits.
Yeah that’s what he said lol.
This is definitely helpful. When I used to watch podcasts more religiously, I got hints when the guest was not a useful source of information and I treated as such, but it's good to get concrete signs to look for.
This is hitting hard. I dated someone with a personality disorder, ADHD and anxiety disorder, and it got to the point where I couldn't get my needs met in the relationship and I wasn't allowed to have expectations, because it would be, idk, unfair?
I went on to therapy and they went on to date my friend. I'm happy I chose that it wasn't the right relationship for me. If one has issues that prevent them from being in a healthy relationship, they should work on them or not be in a relationship. It's okay to not me mentally well, it doesn't make anyone bad, but it also doesn't mean another person should sacrifice their life for their comfort. That would just enable dysfunction.
Great video Charlie! ✨ We need to live for ourselves!
Excellent post. As someone with major depressive disorder, it is still my responsibility to make an earnest effort to be reciprocal and giving. If I can’t do that, I shouldn’t be in a relationship. It’s very simple. Having a mental illness does not grant you special privileges that are just naked self-interest
Another perspective on that:
Blaming yourself can become this weird irony that you start avoiding responsibility because you always focus on "how I get here" not on "how I get out of here". I spend many year in self-destruction always thinking "If I did this diferent or that" or that I was personally flawed. This form of masochism never helped anyone. The journey to healing starts with self compassion. Blaming is about shame, compassion is about love, nurturing.
This is not avoiding responsibility, though. Like the phrase goes, " it's not MY problem, but I am the only one that can fix it". But when you realize that there is good in you, you start to feel repulse in evil, and will try to align your actions with that good. But you need to realize it's there.
I admire you for being able to go back and continue watching this for a teaching moment. When these liars hit my liar cord I can not continue watching them. It makes me for real squirm. Thanks.
I speclise in complex trauma and severe, trauma-related mental health issues, including ‘personality disorders’.
(By the way, he was imprisoned for attempted murder, etc., not a ‘minor assault charge’. 🖤)
*There were **_so_** many red flags in this interview:*
•Clearly *disingenuous,* as can be observed throughout with both speech and non-verbal communication 🚩
•Demonstrated *strong traits of narcissism* 🚩
• *No empathy* evidenced 🚩
•Total *disregard* for *impact on victims* 🚩
•Blabbered *repetitive spiel undoubtedly learnt in prison* (saying we _want to hear_ / the _‘right’ thing)_ 🚩
*Shallow affect* 🚩
• _Still_ appeared *angry towards his victims,* despite _25 years_ passing 🚩
• Actively engaged in *victim-blaming* 🚩
• *Condoned his crimes* 🚩
• Implied victims _deserved_ the violence/ trauma 🚩
• *Separated himself* from the attempted murder via use of *linguistic barricades* 🚩
• *Minimised* this attempted murder, false imprisonment, battery and robbery he committed 🚩
After being released from prison the very first time, he *went straight back out to commit* this attempted murder he is speaking of.
*(Pattern of reoffending)* 🚩
With the *lack of effective rehabilitation* in American prisons and all the *glaring red flags,* I’m *_not surprised whatsoever_* that he immediately reoffended with even greater aggression, resentment and sadistic tendencies.
People *_can_* change, but they only do within *_the right environment_* and with the *_necessary tools_* and *_influencing factors._*
US prisons need *EXTREME reform.*
some people can't change, that's a fairy tale. dude chopped someone's head off ffs, he's a psycho. if he got put away for good the first time around, none of this shit would've happened.
some people cant change and the change in the system might be: separatoing disturbed and antysocial people, like for real.
I cant believe theyre released - it was easy for me to spot most of the flags and Im not even therapist. There should be more education about NBP BPD and PPD cause they are manipulative and thats the way they roll for YEARS hurting people & laughing in the face of laws people created to protect themselves
@@Mario-us7ds🫣 right? shouldnt ever be released, no regrets, no potential of growth as a human being
Guy basically indirectly prove the point the justice system is broken by being the worst exemple possible
I’m almost sensing a bit of pride when he talks about the robbery. He tries to cover it up as best as he can and it just comes off wrong. I’ve seen so much of that smug behaviour by people who have committed crimes and violence in my life.
The amazing thing was he did the same thing when describing how he came back into the real world. He couldn’t just say that he was done with the life and regretted it, he had to throw in a humble brag about how it was “better” for the new crews without him and he was essentially forced out because they would be threatened by him.
If people are even more interested, I recommend checking out Actual Justice Warrior's video on this incident to get the full context on Sheldon Johnson. His "minor assaults" weren't minor.
That's how I originally saw this story. It's good that other people are covering it. Especially from an angle to learning and self improvement. Shawn was basically going after the programs that defends these kinds of people, but that won't solve anything. Only increase the culture war divide.
Thanks for the recommendation. I had only watch the clips from that podcast that JRE posted on YT and smelt bullshit very quickly. Glad to see others sniffed it as well even before he was charged post podcast.
I didn't see the rogan original, but AJW really did a good job picking this guy apart.
I'm leaving this video and going there now.
That guys was absolutely the least believable ex con that Josh brought onto Joe's show. I got that vibe when he was talking that there was so much he was leaving out that incriminated him
He took criminal reform seriously, he reformed from a thieve to a murderer.
This is the video I didn’t know I needed. Thank you
06:05 Spidey from The Behavioral Arts channel calls that a "mouth shrug". Don't know if that's an official term but I love it lol
Guys obviously the real problem is the lack of entitlement. What we need is more rhetoric about how helpless and put upon Sheldon is. If only people would have given him more airtime to pontificate on his victimhood, this never would have happened.
Sarcasm recognized!
No idea what you’re talking about. I don’t have time for sarcasm. I’m busy finding another baby sitter now that Sheldon’s busy.@@voidwalker7774
Thank you very much for making this video. I felt the same way, and it honestly is very reassuring that I’m not the only one.
your commentary about the implied meaning of "catch a case" is very insightful and interesting. never realized it but it's true! Shows how our language can often shape our worldview and way of doing things without us knowing.
I have always wondered why people use the word “you” in describing a personal story. I finally understand!!
sometimes it’s about connetions, but yes sometimes it can be manipulative, depends on context, situation, emotions, topic of conv
Sometimes the person wants to avoid re-living the experience but I think it's kind of easy to distinguish between someone trying to avoid traumatic memories or what this guy was doing...
Trusting my gut and not letting others skew my perception of someone was the best thing i ever did.
My old friend was telling me that this girl i was talking too was bad buisness (he knew her years ago) but i said id give her a fair chance especially since something inside of me really trusted and liked her... well... were now years later, engaged and have a daughter, and I couldn't be happier trusting my gut
The "you" "I" and "shrug" thing is way more serious than most people realize as proven by Sheldon's story, even to the ones that are socially skilled. I've been listening to you since I was a kid so my brain's been wired by all those wisdom so for some years now I didn't even need to watch your content anymore.......at least that's what I thought. Clearly this astronomically underrated video proved me wrong. Thanks big bro.
Thank you for the part about turning our judgment on ourselves. I always think I’m in the wrong. Way too many times have I given people the “benefit of the doubt” and my instincts ended up being right
I actually did the same thing but it was Josh Dubin that I felt was being more manipulative. I knew the kind of person Sheldon was as soon as he opened his mouth, it was Josh that I had the problem with… he hides behind this virtuous mask of protecting people who have been wronged by the justice system. After listening to him clearly & blatantly manipulating everyone listening to him I had to tune out, it was just to much. Rogan needs to do a better job at vetting people before they come on his pod.
I have tried to watch a couple of episodes with Josh - and about 15-20 min in, I've stopped, because he just complete rubs me the wrong way. It's not even, necessarily, that I object to what he's saying. I just can't stand listening to him.
Amazing breakdown. I love learning this stuff so thank you very much.
This socioeconomic statement is such bullshit and it’s just a way for people to give excuses for bad behavior. Just because you have a bad childhood doesn’t mean you have to do bad things. We can be aware that as humans no matter where we come from we are capable of doing good and bad things. That is the human experience. It’s all about free will
I believe it was JP who said something along the lines of "your suffering does not justify your immorality"
Agreed.
Sad that people these days aren't aware you're constantly being manipulated by everyone and everything around you. Seriously, not joking.
Lol. I couldn't watch that Rogan episode either. For some reason, both guests just rubbed me the wrong way. I wasn't all that shocked to find out that Ol Sheldon ended up with a head in his freezer.
Very good idea to touch on manipulation tactics, keep up very appreciated!
Didn't hear about this guy until after what got him in the news... My gut is also telling me he might be untrustworthy. 😂
Great video Charlie
Thank you for this. Knew I was not the only one who felt sick in my gut after that JRE episode.
Bro has anime villain teeth
Goat comment hahaha
I really hope a guest bring THIS up on JRE
it's so cool to see the new Charlie, clearly a lot of growth since the prime Charisma on Command times
Fantastic analysis. Thank you!
Hopefully Joe learns from this. Was pretty obvious he wasn’t a good guy or reformed.
This is amazing, thanks for the breakdown
That was great. I love your comment about connecting your internal system with someone else's story
Very insightful of the subtle communications and very well presented. Thanks for the quality content, it was intriguing, entertaining, and with a touch of deliberate application and mindfulness, likely this will be very valuable.
What gave me the massive red flag that this guy hadn't change.. is when he described that he was very organized and was very strict on following rules within his gang/operations. He was basically stroking his ego and explaining why he was/is so good at the crime lifestyle. In the same breath he said that it was in the best interest of his gang to let him go. That sealed the deal for me
Great breakdown!
You manipulated me with the thumbnail
I really want Joe to speak on this. He probably won’t though.
I love your content man ❤
“ Indicates a world view where you know what is bad based on how harshly you’re punished.”
Great Video!
Thank you
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Severe poverty can lead to crime, true. What the poor neighbors in the States experience is nothing related to that. It's freeing to call the horse a horse. Only there we can start building up. I lived poverty, well beyond what any low income place of today can imagine, and there was no crime of any kind. In fact it was so rare, we never knew where the prisons were in those cities. We're talking about taking responsibility? Facing responsibility is hard but crucial to fixing the situation. First you shouldn't be ashamed to look at the problem without the blinders on. On ground research and identification. No tainted books of popular opinions that lead to ignorance
I would add:
A person having a victim pattern doesn't mean they are lying, but the pattern on itself can start behaviors you disapprove/don't want in your life.
Two things can be truth at the same time and victims (even though we don't like to think about that) will often get baggage that brokes or damages relationships if untreated or start a victim mentality that is problematic on itself ( this is not about "blaming victims", it's saying "hey, I understand why you become like that but this is harming you and others. Let's fix that ")
No one was manipulated. We assumed Joe Rogan had common sense
This is good advice for people who are dating to listen and look for.
I am not a psychologist or anything. I had a hard time listening him. It seems like nothing changed in him except the realization that he needed to "change" something or else he would be stuck in the crap situation that he was already in. No idea If he committed the newest crime but there is a lot missing from his past story. Like why was he in the hole so often? Why did the judge feel like 25 years wasn't enough?
the most difficult part to get past the manipulation is josh dubin believing in him, if you trust josh dubin like rogan does, you might think "if josh belives in him, i'll give him the benefit of the doubt".
Thanks
You also have to notice when he said i need my money he nod his head saying "no" but he trynna get everybody else to agree with him and say "yes" you have the right to assult someone for your money.. hes waiting for affirmation.. but his body obviously is his biggest tell.. he contricted he words with his body language
You don’t need to spot his body language. This dude is a criminal with no remorse and he said so: “Unfortunately she got caught up in the situation”? Means she included her with no care. That just shows the type of person he is. He told everyone EXACTLY the person that he is!
I LOVE THESE TYPES OF VIDEOS!!!!!! We’ll done!! 🎉👏🙏🏼
Shiiiet. He fooled me for sure 😯
Thank you for this video. And now that Sheldon Johnson was found with a head in his freezer and a torso in a container in his apartment and was arrested whom is he going to blame for this one. Will he take responsibility?
No one cares if he'll take responsibility. Even if he does, it changes nothing in no ones mind or heart, his reality now is that he has amounted to amounts to absolute fu** all in life.
Just because someone experienced a horrific childhood and terrible social circumstances doesn’t mean they aren’t exceptionally dangerous to society.
That factor goes into sentencing and probation decisions, especially looking at prior, recent crimes.
You can have empathy & work to make communities and resources better while protecting today’s citizens from coming into contact with dangerous people who victimize others.
Interesting video.
The distancing language was creepy.
I went to the podcast just to see if I could discern his true nature... I can't! 😮
This link popped up right after I watched the video!
Yea when I watched him after the news I was like yea this guys a manipulator
I really wonder how Joe will react to this revelation. Or how the Innocence Project must take a hit for having blood on their hands.
great video
IMO, his body language and tonality was well put together, overall calm and level headed. It's only when I analyzed his verbals and statements about his story that there were inconsistencies, also thanks to the other guy who's a defense lawyer overselling him that alone made me more suspicious. Also it maybe profiling but his white T-Shirt with the logo of QUEENS DEFENDERS, and why he'd deliberately chooses to wear that T-shirt is a bit out of place.
In terms of body language and tone, what may have set off some alarm bells intuitively for me, is those micro shrugs and too much mouth shrugging around events that led to his arrest, and events of criminality, and events where he's ascribing morality of himself(these are also called epistemic shrugs as these are non-verbal tells of the subconscious. Typically meaning I don't know, got nothing to add' or feeling uncertainty, feeling unsure to continue or unsure how to respond') now here I'd disagree with Charlie if we're treating these shrugs as a confident sign of deception and manipulation. EVERYONE HAS TO ESTABLISH BASELINE! Just shrugging alone itself is not strong indication of deception and manipulation and deflecting, it's just a signaling of feeling unsure, uncertainty, and feeling you have nothing to add to the story or statements made, that's all. You all have to carefully establish baseline and contextualize otherwise it's the same old problem of jumping to a conclusion of it's definite deception when it's just feeling uncertainty and nothing to add to a story/statements. Being honest even I had a bit of a difficult time establishing his baseline as this is the only footage I've seen and initially he carried himself very well and is quite calm, too calm, but what I can say is the moments of him shrugging when he's making affirmative claims, when he says 'I need the money.' does mouth shrugging, a little bit of shoulder shrugging, AND head shaking(in western cultures head shaking means thinking/feeling disagreeable, distant, defensive, disapproval, disappointment, basically a feeling of refusal of who/what's causing you some uncomfortableness.) THAT'S in terms of body language analysis is when I strongly felt there's more to the story, that he's withholding key details.
this is my first time watching your video on this but i feel like you're going to mention someone using language that removes their role in actions,
this guy on rogans interview was using all kinds of phrases like "she got caught up in it" and crap like that whenever something he was responsible for happened
His 14 year old Son murdered someone as well.
thanks Charlie!
Charlie hanging out with Spidey. 😊
It looks like everything he says screams I'm a piece of shit liar
NO CHANGE OF HEART!!! We all need Jesus man, and we NEED TO FOLLOW HIM SO WE ACTUALLY CHANGE!!! Just “finding Jesus” or “finding religion” because it serves you is nothing. You are still a mess and it’s going to hurt you and everyone you care about. We’ve all FOUND someone who “FOUND” Jesus that where the only thing that changed about them is they now think God is there to get them off the hook.
Thank you ugly. We love your videos. Keep up the good work!
Great analysis!!!
He is not a victim. He is a perpetrator!!!
You’re really good!
Think of the NBA. Everyone in the world knows how to shoot a basketball, but until you place them in a situation to where their knowledge is put to the test, everything they say should be suspect.
Flint Dibble, you're next.
Lol that mf got famous cause of the jre
Haven’t heard from the lawyer or Joe about this 😂😂😂
Man yall know better. In the hood or in the suburbs. Right is right and wrong is wrong. No matter where you live. Every person knows and has feelings that says " hey this is wrong". " I should not hurt take or deceive this person or business ." Common sense. Yall have elders. We all do. Look and listen to them. But yall don't and blame it on the environment. From the mud brings great tall powerful trees.
Amazing work, Charlie, hank you. Yes, more like this please.
if someone is speaking of their emotions, speaking of others emotions, trying to figure out your emotions or dictate others emotions.
its all manipulation.
lets discuss undeniable observations rather than abstract impositions
It isn't right for me 🕊
Good Content
Why my Mom goated at this
I also couldn’t finish the podcast, something was off
How many times was he on the jre?
Lol how many times? Are you a staunch JRE character assasinator? You reek of the smell. He was on once.
@@JerzyytheCosmic1 nah it was just a straight up question. No reason for insults. Thanks for the clarification
There's a reason why you can't make that face (the "manipulator" expression of displeasure in the beginning of your example video). The problem with that is that you were taught to only express agreeable body language your entire life, even in cases when it's beneficial for you to show truthfulness, yet in a deterring way. I actually can say that I can only envision you making one single face of disagreement (in every adversary situation of any kind, rather serious, severe or somewhat unleasant) I'd be surprised to see you accurately relating disagreement in the proper situation. This is sometime I noticed in 85% of the people when encountering your group of peers.(And I'm being generous. It's closer to 95%) Negativity, disagreement and disappointment must be related very correctly in order to have have abundant social access, friends and great communication. If you can master that, life becomes extremely smooth and headache free.
“My fist happened to be near his upper facial area & inexplicably he got his face punched in by mysterious circumstances. He attracted my arm into his body by mental magnetic forces, thus I am exempt from any wrongdoing.“
All and all good show keep it up and i might have tu sub 😅
If people really thought he wasn’t sincere then there would have been videos and comments like this BEFORE it happened.
I felt the same way but it was Josh that made it unbearable for me
Exactly... Josh was the enabler. Sheldon is a con man, he's gonna con.
Of course you’re gonna get a slap on the wrist for the first crime but if you do it again of course it gonna be worse lol.
Unfortunately my gut feelings have been proven wrong over decades. Who wouldnt mistrust it if that were the case.
has charlie talked about on the podcast at all what has happened to the COCommand channel and Ben himself?
Good on you. I didnt see it
Just remember if they look like they could, than they could.
The you and I switch stuck out to me
So is Dubin's organization a danger? Or culpable in this guy's recent alleged murder?