The idea of the story centring around the Star of Bethlehem makes a lot of sense considering it's set in a time hotel. What infamously had no room for Jesus' birth? An INN!
@ probably because it'd be controversial for Doctor Who to explore the events of the bible, as they have a tendency to say "it was aliens" with a lot of things.
@@Paul_Ernst It is my head canon that all three of the wisemen were the Doctor, and the reason the Doctor never visited Jesus' birth again was because he ran out of gifts to bring.
Joy breaking our hearts might be similar to Abigail in a Christmas Carol, she doesn't exactly die on screen and ruin Christmas but revealing that it's her last day left to live as the episode ends is just as heart-breaking. Moffat said in the video commentary for Boom that Ncuti will have a scene where he gives it the "Full Capaldi" in this special so perhaps that could be linked to Joy breaking our hearts.
OMG!,i mean the doctor will scare joy with awesome and dark actions ,like in 2006 Christmas with donna ,that will be epic!,more than dying like astrid peth in Christmas 2007
Just a guess, but you may be thinking of the end of the last episode, Empire of Death, starting about 45 minutes in, where Ruby meets her birth-mother in a coffee shop that looks a lot like a pub. Does have Christmas episode vibes, and since it was an epilogue, feels separate from the rest of the episode.
@@docAvid314 I think he means the clip shown in the final Doctor Who Unleashed from last season. There was a short clip shown, set inside a pub with Ruby panicking telling everyone to go home, or something like that. There appears to be a threat, and there's a brief shot outside the pub of a full moon...although I don't think it's about a werewolf. I think it's just a quick clip of a S2 episode really to show that Ruby will still be involved in some capacity because of the confused PR around the actress being 'replaced' by Varada Sethu.
Agreed RTD followed the epic block buster mad bash whollop.post Christmas Invasion whereas MOFF either hit us exceptional or abysmal...Mysterio, Widow and Wardrobe were shocking ....I adore Christmas Carol, Snowmen, Last Christmas, River Song were brilliant !! MOFF I wanted to bring creepy elements but Boom and this ....yeah I dunno how to feel ... We shall see it could end up clever and brilliant or....superficial
Maybe Joy gives birth to Baby Jesus..? Being a single mum is a sad thing in a way, it's tough, but she might not want her child raised in a time travel device.
Oh please, with the respect 'Boom' had for those with faith and the fact that Davies and Moffat are atheists, nevertheless there are some Christian symbols and the like, sprinkled around RTD's first era. I said this somewhere else but if the lost William Hartnell story, 'The Massacre' was made today, you would get dialogue being 'the Massacre was caused by religion, this is what happens when people are religious.' I'd rather they get the Meddling Monk back as a Christian heretic from the Byzantines, back in the 60s they were going to have a story called Bar Kokhba, about the Judeo-Roman war. I'd rather we'd get a Byzantine/Babylonian/Vatican-set story (the old 60s sci-fi show the Time Tunnel did one on the Old Testament), that wouldn't hurt. Heck demonise the Catholics with the Spanish Inquisition, have an episode about a Christian schism, I bet they can do that nowadays.
Is Joy the bad guy, or does her experiences with the Doctor, lead her to making a bad decision because of fear of the unknown, like when a certain politician opens fire on the Sycorax? What was her name lol 🤣😂
Every time I hear people suggest that Boom is their favorite episode of the last season, I lose a little more respect for Steve Moffat. He's a great writer that's probably his worst episode. Y'all just got too excited 1:45
And okay maybe calling it his worst episode is a little overkill. It certainly his most mediocre episode. Like it's very mid very basic but everybody keeps talking about it like it's this wonderful thing and it makes me like it less and less It really does.
The only episodes of Moffst worse than boom.wree the wardrobe one and the Dr Mysterio one ....and boom was decent but yeah top tier MOFF is hard to match! His RTD1, Smith and Capaldi stories were top tier !
@@brewster_4 maybe. Maybe that's why we're here. I'm here to express that I have a wildly different opinion. Than the mainstream. That's okay. It's a safe space for that. Glad we could agree
You don't have to like it. You can think it's his worst episode. That's all fine. But isn't it a little backwards to lose respect for him because other people like it? The rational response is to wonder if other people are seeing something you don't, to wonder what other people appreciate about it. Maybe not, maybe you're right and a lot of other people are wrong, or maybe it's just a matter of personal preference and nobody has to be wrong, but I can see no rational reason to let other people's positive opinion somehow affect your opinion negatively.
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The idea of the story centring around the Star of Bethlehem makes a lot of sense considering it's set in a time hotel. What infamously had no room for Jesus' birth? An INN!
Ive always wondered why, among all the historical events and people the doctor has visited, he has never visited jesus.
@ probably because it'd be controversial for Doctor Who to explore the events of the bible, as they have a tendency to say "it was aliens" with a lot of things.
@@Paul_Ernst It is my head canon that all three of the wisemen were the Doctor, and the reason the Doctor never visited Jesus' birth again was because he ran out of gifts to bring.
Great breakdown as always! 😁 As a Christian, it wouldn’t offend me at all for the Star of Bethlehem to appear in the special 😌
Can’t wait for this!
Edmund Hillary and Tensing Norgay were New Zealand ears who climbed Mount Everest. They explored Antarctica.
Joy breaking our hearts might be similar to Abigail in a Christmas Carol, she doesn't exactly die on screen and ruin Christmas but revealing that it's her last day left to live as the episode ends is just as heart-breaking.
Moffat said in the video commentary for Boom that Ncuti will have a scene where he gives it the "Full Capaldi" in this special so perhaps that could be linked to Joy breaking our hearts.
Sir Edmund Hillary was a mountaineer, explorer and philanthropist from New Zealand (d. 2008)
Do you really not know who Edmund Hillary and Tenzing Norgay are? What has happened to the education system?
I was about to say that!
You beat me to do it. FA of Everest 1963!
Gen Z’s are dim😂
It's only Disney+ being involved that is at risk.
The BBC won't kill off the show.
Hopefully Netflix, Amazon Prime or Max will treat Doctor Who better if Disney discontinued their Disney+ TV deal after Series 3...🤷♂️🤞
Who could have guessed that a company calling itself VILLAIN-guard would have been a recurring bad guy? XD
Joy is the head of vilenguard Timey wimey stuff
Another hollow mass extinction threat that won't happen. I was Dr Who went back to smaller stake stories 😅 But Moffat will pack the goods I'm sure
Wonder if they are going to retcon Adric's involvement in the extinction of the dinosaurs for the star seed being the cause?
There's no such thing as year 0. The year before 1 AD was 1 BC. (There is an exception in astronomy where 0=1 BC. -1=2 BC etc.)
Plus the historical figure of Jesus is reckoned to have been around between 4-7 BCE.
OMG!,i mean the doctor will scare joy with awesome and dark actions ,like in 2006 Christmas with donna ,that will be epic!,more than dying like astrid peth in Christmas 2007
Wasn’t there the promo with Ruby early on I thought that was the Xmas special? She was in a restaurant or a pub or something
Just a guess, but you may be thinking of the end of the last episode, Empire of Death, starting about 45 minutes in, where Ruby meets her birth-mother in a coffee shop that looks a lot like a pub. Does have Christmas episode vibes, and since it was an epilogue, feels separate from the rest of the episode.
@@docAvid314 I think he means the clip shown in the final Doctor Who Unleashed from last season. There was a short clip shown, set inside a pub with Ruby panicking telling everyone to go home, or something like that. There appears to be a threat, and there's a brief shot outside the pub of a full moon...although I don't think it's about a werewolf. I think it's just a quick clip of a S2 episode really to show that Ruby will still be involved in some capacity because of the confused PR around the actress being 'replaced' by Varada Sethu.
That was a clip from the upcoming series, Episode 4 I believe!
@@friendlyotaku9525 Exciting! It's looked a tense scene, ignoring the hate and really excited to see how S2 pans out!
The Silurians invasion begins again.
It has been said the doctor will get angry
I have a bad feeling about this one. Like it's gonna be more Return of Doctor Mysterio than...any of the good ones
@@whereami2477 i liked that one tbh. Just fun. I wouldn't mind this being like that.
@DriverHenryWho3245 yeah but there's fun and then there's over-the-top silly and cringy. Give me a Christmas Invasion or Last Christmas any day
Agreed RTD followed the epic block buster mad bash whollop.post Christmas Invasion whereas MOFF either hit us exceptional or abysmal...Mysterio, Widow and Wardrobe were shocking ....I adore Christmas Carol, Snowmen, Last Christmas, River Song were brilliant !! MOFF I wanted to bring creepy elements but Boom and this ....yeah I dunno how to feel ... We shall see it could end up clever and brilliant or....superficial
@@whereami2477 well i kinda love over the top silly and cringey (to an extent) but you do you
Maybe Joy gives birth to Baby Jesus..? Being a single mum is a sad thing in a way, it's tough, but she might not want her child raised in a time travel device.
Oh please, with the respect 'Boom' had for those with faith and the fact that Davies and Moffat are atheists, nevertheless there are some Christian symbols and the like, sprinkled around RTD's first era. I said this somewhere else but if the lost William Hartnell story, 'The Massacre' was made today, you would get dialogue being 'the Massacre was caused by religion, this is what happens when people are religious.' I'd rather they get the Meddling Monk back as a Christian heretic from the Byzantines, back in the 60s they were going to have a story called Bar Kokhba, about the Judeo-Roman war. I'd rather we'd get a Byzantine/Babylonian/Vatican-set story (the old 60s sci-fi show the Time Tunnel did one on the Old Testament), that wouldn't hurt. Heck demonise the Catholics with the Spanish Inquisition, have an episode about a Christian schism, I bet they can do that nowadays.
Is Joy the bad guy, or does her experiences with the Doctor, lead her to making a bad decision because of fear of the unknown, like when a certain politician opens fire on the Sycorax? What was her name lol 🤣😂
You need to stop watching Dr Who and start studying history 😳🙄🔷🔷🔷🔷🔷
God it looks absolutely awful.
Every time I hear people suggest that Boom is their favorite episode of the last season, I lose a little more respect for Steve Moffat. He's a great writer that's probably his worst episode. Y'all just got too excited 1:45
And okay maybe calling it his worst episode is a little overkill. It certainly his most mediocre episode. Like it's very mid very basic but everybody keeps talking about it like it's this wonderful thing and it makes me like it less and less It really does.
The only episodes of Moffst worse than boom.wree the wardrobe one and the Dr Mysterio one ....and boom was decent but yeah top tier MOFF is hard to match! His RTD1, Smith and Capaldi stories were top tier !
Or maybe... just... people have different opinions from you and actually enjoyed it
@@brewster_4 maybe. Maybe that's why we're here. I'm here to express that I have a wildly different opinion. Than the mainstream. That's okay. It's a safe space for that. Glad we could agree
You don't have to like it. You can think it's his worst episode. That's all fine. But isn't it a little backwards to lose respect for him because other people like it? The rational response is to wonder if other people are seeing something you don't, to wonder what other people appreciate about it. Maybe not, maybe you're right and a lot of other people are wrong, or maybe it's just a matter of personal preference and nobody has to be wrong, but I can see no rational reason to let other people's positive opinion somehow affect your opinion negatively.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_British_Mount_Everest_expedition