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Hi Steve great video as always sorry if I missed it but what voltage did you use for your overclock? Also I'm seeing the nice performance boost from the 3300X being on the same CCX but obviously all tests have been done on a 2080ti to show that difference. As most people would be using this with a max GPU of say a 2060, RX 5700 would that mean the fps gap for the most close up due to being GPU bound?
I have a question conform to this benchmark ryzen 3600 stock vs ryzen 3600 overclocked at 4,3 GHz gain only 1 FPS in each game? So i don't get get it i see a lot of people overclocking them 3600 to 4,2 Ghz ? why they overclock if u gain only 1 FPS?
@@_yuri and? The cpu came out in 2017. Still a very strong gaming cpu and I'm pretty sure the users that are still using it 3 years or so later are happy with it. The technology market moves fast and takes no prisoners. Not too mention the re sale value of that cpu is still crazy high
Damn Steve, I am glad I listened to you and snagged a 1600af when they were available. Even had a coupon and got it for 79.99 at Frys. Such a beast of a budget buy.
my best money invested into pc components to date.I payed mine 90 dollars but damn is it worth it, had shitty g4560 before and i couldnt play eso on constant 60 fps. now its constant 100
@Hyper Typer I think all of them are relevant. LTT, Jayz and GN all can be informative, but they serve different purpose. GN is only raw data and specs in-depth, don't come here for any kind of entertainment. Jayz is more focus on reviews and builds. LTT has the widest spectrum from news, to review, to builds to crazy projects. There's nothing wrong with wanting entertainment as well as knowledge (which is why all these channels have their fans and many are fans of all of them) and trying to up yourself over others ("the masses") is a bit ridiculous...
Long long ago I got a 4670k for >$200 after a lot of research. “I5 is enough, 4 cores is great” was the mantra. I figured a few years of decent performance, especially with that ludicrous 4.5 GHz overclock, before a new budget chip at stock speed made my chip look like trash. Slowly the stutters slipped into bigger games, even as I upgraded my GPU... In hindsight it’s clear that chip was an awesome choice, but Intel *never* improved enough to make me upgrade. RIP INTEL
Dunno what was in my mind in 2011 when I also read all those "4 cores is enough" But then I just went fk it, I'll get i7 2600K YOLO. The extra threads for maybe 80€ were really worth it because it bought a lot of time. Still running it and performance is great. Otherwise I'd have likely upgraded already years ago.
Am I the only one who is amazed by the *3400G* ? It's a Zen+ 4-core CPU and holds up pretty well against the 3100 and the i3-9100F. I know it costs more because it's an APU but still impress me (even with 3000mhz RAM, considering how important fast RAM is for Zen/Zen+)
Awesome!!! I really wanted a review on this CPU, I purchased a 1600 AF and i love it for my use-case. Thanks GN crew and steve! once again you guys are amazing! i appreciate the content you guys make. Stay safe !
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I'm going to have trouble recommending this CPU with the 3300X so close in price. I don't expect a 20% boost from the 3300X, but I do expect increased gains from overclocking. Eagerly anticipating the 3300X video.
You shouldn't run 3100 at voltages that GN did. Like, it's not realistic, go to r/overclocking, you will find easily that this voltage is not 24/7 stable OC for Zen 2. OC results from Zen 2 GN coverage are to be taken with a grain of sand for that reason.
That's the thing about it, 20% doesn't mean much when you're talking about $100 to $120 so the upgrade makes sense. And an extra $20 probably isn't going to break the bank. It's different when you're telling someone to spend 20% more for minimal gains when it's going from $300 to $360 or $400 to $480. Same percentages but a bigger pill to swallow.
Here in Italy the 3300X is almost nowhere to be found. The few outlets that do sell it have spiked the price to 180 Euros, whichi is ridiculous (I could buy a 3600 with a few bucks more). That's why my broke ass is considering the 3100, lol.
That's actually why I went with 3100. With no intention of overclocking, and only real demands of my pc being gaming, it made sense to get more base power per dollar.
A few weeks ago I recommended the 1600AF to a buddy of mine to upgrade his 1300x, he'll be happy to hear he got that $85 unicorn that's better than this part which would have been in his budget.
it's a shame they went out of stock on Amazon. I was considering getting one and just a day after I last checked, they were gone. this must've been why
Makes sense to have the 3100/3300X come in as the replacements for the 1500/1500X/1600/1600X/2200/2400 CPUs, and drop off the availability and manufacturing of the older CPUs. It also opens the door for the next gen, something like Ryzen5 4500 at 8c/16t (2x CCX) that should come in under the $150 mark.
A friend of minr still has the fx8350 and I think it actually got better over time since a lot of things use the 8 cores now, games back then only really used 2 cores
Thanks for the review Steve! I upgraded 3 months ago an 10 year old old Phenom II 965 based PC with a 3100, Gigabyte B450 motherboard, 16gb of Gskill ram and a EVGA 1050Ti from the old build, and it's handled everything I've thrown at it on the regular settings.
As an owner of an dual cpu system ( 2x(4core 8thread) ) I can tell you that many new games benefit when disabling numa nodes (making the CPUs register as one) in both frametimes aswell as framerate. The only game that benefits from separating the CPUs into numa nodes is fallout 76, this being a very latency sensitive game and becomes playable without microstutters.
I would love to buy a ryzen 3 3300x but still no stock in my market. Should i get a ryzen 3 3100 or a ryzen 5 2600 same price (120usd) at my market. Edit. 3300x on stock for ~160usd now
Great video! It would have been awesome to also have idle power consumption since these low end CPUs are usually used in home made NAS or other applications that need low power consumption
Would it be possible for you guys to review the 3200GE and also the 3400GE? These are the low-power versions of the desktop APUs. I'd love to get them "on the record" before the new round of Zen2-based APUs come out (because there will be new low-power versions of those as well.) Thank you as always for all the great work!
I am so glad I picked up a 1600 AF after I saw your review, granted, my tower cooler is 60 bucks more than the CPU but I built it with upgrades in mind, right now running at 4000 all core at 47c and no complaints, gen 4 being on the same socket I am sitting poised for they Ryzen gen 4!
this would be an actual noticeable difference to power bills in our office if we switched to something like this for work stations 50w for 4c/8t thats less then some light bulbs
I've checked at a store in my country where new stuff is usually up first and the 1600 AF is still 15$ less in my country. The 3100 is around 120$ in that store and the 1600 af is 105$.
I'm glad I pulled the trigger on buying the 1600AF back in January when it was still constantly at $85, even if I haven't actually built the system yet (just buying parts here and there when I can, can't afford to buy all at once).
Your charts have so many CPU's on them, I wonder if it would make sense to trim them down. Perhaps eliminate the 0.1% lows too (but not the frametime plots). There is just SO much going on. I realize this thoroughness might be a positive point of differentiation for you among some viewers, but I'm betting you could streamline a bit and still have far more going in that regard. Just some thoughts. It might ease your workload a bit too, and let you concentrate on enhancing other aspects. I hope you take this in a positive way, and I appreciate what you do.
*Request for future C/GPU reviews*: I use my workstation for deep learning, and it would be really great to see a benchmark specifically aimed at that workload, especially fitting large recurrent and convolutional networks. Memory bandwidth and frequency vary in importance with the model architecture.
Great content as always, the only issue maybe is when jumping between timestamps on graphs you can't see the graph title. Did you think of using black bars on top and bottom ?
@@MrEditsCinema It has big resale values because people are dumb and keep buying it. You can buy a b450/550 board and a 3300x for the price of the used i7,nobody is going to buy it.
Intel is still the best for competitive gaming intels CPU’s hold there value and will continue to until they are actually dethroned . Intels old 7700k is still as good for gaming as AMD’s 3900x there are few circumstances /games where there will be less than a 10% highest frame rate will go to the larger core size AMD 3000 series, But also there is a a frame time consistency and latency issue that intel is ahead in and until amd 3000 series it was noticeable by the eye to even mediocre gamers, but competitive /pro gamers you won’t find any that use AMD CPU’s unless they were paid to same way with GPU’s Radeon aren’t used because they aren’t as good if they were they would be used by competitive / pro gamers . AMD is the budget option and have finally developed product that are competitive I mean better late than never but I feel sorry for all the Ryzen first gen buyers who can’t give away there CPU’s because the last three years AMD literally pulled a line from intels book selling three generation of CPU’s at 5-10%improvement each year in three years the only thing they did differen is they dropped the price each generation slightly for every segmentation so as to canabalize the used value of there CPU’s , at least if you buy a high end intel cpu you can sell it for what you paid for it almost 5 years later because they aren’t throwing out $85 dollar good enough CPU’s and now there going with a 3100 that if you bought a Ryzen 5 1600 new for $250 two years ago you be lucky someone give you $50 for it today that’s tough phew so much for sale and upgrade the one cpu that everyone wants to upgrade is the 3900 or 3950 and those are the cost of a i9 9900k pretty much just not as good for gaming
Y'all do charts wrong. Charts are meant to be clear and easy to understand, showing relevant information at a glance. If you include LITERALLY every single processor on the market, the chart loses its meaning. You should include results of the processor you're reviewing, what it's meant to compete against, and maybe processors that are one tier higher or lower in price (like the 3600 in this video.)
Bloody hell the 7700k is still $334 on Amazon.. that is pretty close to what I paid for it a few months after it came out. Nice to see it on the charts though, it's in a lot of systems including mine, probably going to take a generation maybe two when it becomes worth upgrading (for my workload).
I think the 1600AF put shocked the industry. 6 core 12 threads for under 100 dollars. I remember when the Athalon quad cores dropped at 89 dollars. that much power for that little of a price tag is what makes you believe moores law is real and technology is really advancing! pretty soon we will be building decent gaming rigs from the dollar store!
Back in the days, I remember some enterprising motherboard manufacturer provided BIOS hack to enable locked cores in AMD Phemon processors. I wounder if the same is possible for R3 3100. Then maybe we will have a budget production CPU... + RTX 2060 KO Old timer thinking out loud...
great job ! i need budget gaming system but where i live (Turkey) the parts are expensive like: R5 3600 : 210 $ R3 3300x : 175 $ R3 3100 : 130 $ I5 9400f : 170 $ i3 9100f : 83 $ so i went with R3 3100 for gamimg and daily use . was it a wise choice ?!
Asians in the US especially here in NYC are buying up the highly rated parts to the point where nothing good is in stock at my local Microcenter. I then see a sudden increase in private sellers selling "used" parts in my area and at marked up prices.
@@_yuri maybe he is just planning on a really good upgrade down the line eh? It's not like the motherboard will suddenly become unusable in the next generation or anything...
I helped my friend build a PC in January 2017. I implored him to wait a few months for Zen to drop, but he really wanted to build right then and there. It felt so terrible to recommend an i5 6500, but it was the only decent choice in his budget. Pretty awesome that what was the best mainstream performance back then is now a $100 budget option. Thank you AMD for making the market competitive again...but also screw you for taking nearly 10 years to do it.
I’m glad I got one a couple years ago. I got it for less than $100, and a cheap B550 board for even less. Best part, after a couple years I can upgrade to a 5800X3D or 5950X, and I have four memory slots. By the time I upgrade that, those chips should be about as expensive as the 3100X The Ryzen 5000 series, even in 2023 to 2024 is Still Excellent!
i3 isn't great for desktop use but with the i3 9100 (non-F) including ECC support, integrated graphics, low power usage and workstation/server board support, it's actually one of the best NAS/media server chips you can buy. I'd love to build a Ryzen NAS machine but with a compromise between ECC and integrated graphics, and few workstation/server board options available, there aren't too many options. Yes, you could put a cheap discrete GPU on something like this R3 3100, but then you lose a PCIe slot that could have been used for more storage.
7700k still does really well. My wife uses my old one now, and I was surprised to see it push such high FPS in RDR2 when she played it earlier this year.
I think the fact that the 3100 X can nearly match the 1600 AF with fewer cores is impressive. Even with latency. The only thing is it was Significantly Cheaper, but out of stock
19:30 I'm super thankful I was able to recommend the 1600 AF to a friend for his budget system before prices shot up. While the 3100 and 3300X are great, that friend also really wanted to get into streaming, so these cpus really wouldn't cut it.
Go with the B550 (if you can wait for June) it should save some cash on features you probably won’t need and might be the difference between a mid range and higher end gpu.
how much of the video do we have to watch for it to count ? i'll be reading the article but i want to support you guys. i'll just listen to the video while i read but i can also let youtube play all your videos in a playlist on mute if that helps
I am so glad I got the 3100 X instead of an Athlon or a 3400G. At the time when I was purchasing, the 1600 AF wasn’t available and I had to think about the motherboard- I wanted to have an upgrade path to a 5800X3D or 5950X, so🤷🏻♂️ For me, the $20 wasn’t worth it. I just wanted to get my foot in the door to a B550 Board, and have the option for a better CPU, some bells and whistles like PCIe4.0, NVMe and able to support 128GB Ram (in the future)
I gotta stop watching other tech channels. They're shilling for AMD on godly levels. This channel is the only channel that still gives you an unbiased level headed take on CPUs and I'm glad. No, neither the 3100 or 3300x faster than the 7700k in gaming. Especially when the 7700k is overclocked. So you AMD fanboys can stop screaming Intel is dead. Anyone who wanted a 7700k bought one three years ago. You're screaming victory at the top of your lungs against a CPU no one cares about anymore. Congrats. That being said, the 3300x is the much better value. Unless prices on the 7700k drop drastically it's not worth buying over a 3300x. But again, it's not faster. So, stop it lol.
They're "shilling" for AMD because if it wasn't for Ryzen and its rapid advancements, Intel would still be selling you a quad-core i7 for $350-400; maybe a 6-core if they were feeling generous. Now you can buy an efficient $120 CPU that's on par with the i7-7700 and can easily run in a $60 motherboard. I seriously don't understand how people like you whine about progress and getting more for your money thanks to competition.
@@coreyisabigpushover you still shouldn't favor either company, especially as a reviewer. Let the numbers speak for themselves. That being said AMD is dominating every cpu space now, except for the "absolute best in gaming" title, which it's somewhat close to getting too.
I have this impression that 1600af was a stopgap in the low price segment. It wedged the door open while they were ramping up to launch these new entry level skus. Why they aren't filling in the 4c CPUs under $85 should be the big marketing push.
I really wanted to see this compare, thanks. sure glad I got a 1600af for $85 from amazon. It's what pushed me to upgrade my system and hasn't been disappointing. the gigabyte b450 MB, now that's disappointing.
I understand my CPU has some latency built-in, but in most day to day stuff and gaming, it’s not noticeable. Especially in older games, which is the only thing I really have
I would love to see the R3 3100 vs like a sandy bridge CPU (I5 2400 or i7 2600), this is more than likely the user, that will be looking to step up to ryzen. Most people running these CPU's (like me) are always looking for bang for the buck. I built my current computer (i5 2400 optiplex), because i could do it for under $300.00. I'm currently building a R5 1600 AF, but if i were to buy right now (Overpriced scalper sellers due to human malware effecting supply), the 3100 would probably be my choice, to buy into the platform
The standard 3100 isn't designed to compete with the i7 line, it's more for the i3-i5 line, but the fact that it even sits near the i7 7700k, Intels 3 year old gaming king, on any chart consistently is very worrying for Intel. Especially since the 3300x actually beats the 7700k out right on 70% of tasks be it single or multi-threaded performance. For $120 that CPU is wiping the floor with a used 7700k at nearly $350.
It doesn't sit near it for gaming. The 7700k is consistently above the 3950x in these gaming benchmarks. I upgraded from a 7700k @ 4.9 to a Ryzen 3700x and if anything the 7700k was a little faster at normal tasks and sometimes way faster when gaming.
I was looking for a 1600af recently. The cheapest I could find was $240 through a reseller so I was just about to go 3600x instead. Now I'm going to start researching all over
I got a Ryzen 9 3950x incoming, any opinions on what the best motherboard for it would be? im looking at GIGABYTE X570 AORUS XTREME for the really overkill or the ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Hero.
Steve is covering the 3100, while Jay covered the 3300X. And both use the 7700K as a reference. I really do think they called each other, and I wonder if their both going to do a head to head OC match this weekend via "Zoom" for amusement. Yet I wonder when we'll see Kyle and Linus do a match up also? ;) lol
Our AMD Ryzen 3 3300X review is now live, including CCX latency impact to gaming: ua-cam.com/video/NM2fFpzPKPg/v-deo.html
Article review of the R3 3100 (but please watch the video, as we don't really make money on articles -- it's a good reference for the future, though!): www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3580-amd-ryzen-3-3100-cpu-review-benchmarks-overclocking-gaming
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Add EU4 to the CPU test game suite.
Hi Steve great video as always sorry if I missed it but what voltage did you use for your overclock? Also I'm seeing the nice performance boost from the 3300X being on the same CCX but obviously all tests have been done on a 2080ti to show that difference. As most people would be using this with a max GPU of say a 2060, RX 5700 would that mean the fps gap for the most close up due to being GPU bound?
No Cinebench R20 results?
Can’t you just put ads on the article
I have a question conform to this benchmark ryzen 3600 stock vs ryzen 3600 overclocked at 4,3 GHz gain only 1 FPS in each game? So i don't get get it i see a lot of people overclocking them 3600 to 4,2 Ghz ? why they overclock if u gain only 1 FPS?
ft the 7700k, the last time Intel was able to sell a quad core as a premium product
f in the chat for that cpu.
Mykel Hardin No, but it makes you realise how bad Intel were sandbagging themselves.
@@_yuri and? The cpu came out in 2017. Still a very strong gaming cpu and I'm pretty sure the users that are still using it 3 years or so later are happy with it. The technology market moves fast and takes no prisoners. Not too mention the re sale value of that cpu is still crazy high
@@MrEditsCinema Yup! That's me. 7700k at 4.9 over here. Haven't upgraded for gaming cause it's still a strong chip.
@Mykel Hardin yep and why is production so important in a gaming rig anyway!!!!
AMD has gotten so bored with beating Intel that they decided to compete with themselves.
yeah, why to improve the product, instead we increase the prices...
Steve: "This video is really long."
GN subscriber: "Nah, it's fine."
The Critical Drinker: "Nah! It'll be fine!"
And if not, 1.25x is your friend
@@Simon-qh1ys or 1.5 if feeling liek sanic
Steve: "This video is really long."
The video: *almost 30 minutes long, somewhat above average*
Me: Yea, no. This isn't any different.
@@loomnatinoscopers 2x you peasants
Damn Steve, I am glad I listened to you and snagged a 1600af when they were available. Even had a coupon and got it for 79.99 at Frys. Such a beast of a budget buy.
my best money invested into pc components to date.I payed mine 90 dollars but damn is it worth it, had shitty g4560 before and i couldnt play eso on constant 60 fps. now its constant 100
I did the same, minus the coupon. snagged it on amazon at Steve's recommendation, and gave my old ryzen 2200G to a friend, who can now game with me.
Got mine for $85 on Amazon and they went out of stock minutes after completing my order. Glad I listened as well
1600af>3100. Great buy and great choice.
I got mine at $85 on Amazon just three weeks ago. It's out of stock now.
Ltt: humorous quick peek
Jayz: steamy / salty claims
GN: IN DEPTH
linus was very late on this
@Hyper Typer why you got to do that to Linus and Jay
@Hyper Typer Hardware Unboxed and GN is the best tech youtubers.
actually jay talk only good things about the 3300x
@Hyper Typer I think all of them are relevant. LTT, Jayz and GN all can be informative, but they serve different purpose. GN is only raw data and specs in-depth, don't come here for any kind of entertainment. Jayz is more focus on reviews and builds. LTT has the widest spectrum from news, to review, to builds to crazy projects. There's nothing wrong with wanting entertainment as well as knowledge (which is why all these channels have their fans and many are fans of all of them) and trying to up yourself over others ("the masses") is a bit ridiculous...
"We're not suggesting an i3 purchase, at all, seeing as it sucks in almost every scenario other than this." Savage Steve is back boys!
How far we've come that in 3 years a high end intel part is equivalen to a low end cpu in 2020.
Competition will do that
Long long ago I got a 4670k for >$200 after a lot of research. “I5 is enough, 4 cores is great” was the mantra. I figured a few years of decent performance, especially with that ludicrous 4.5 GHz overclock, before a new budget chip at stock speed made my chip look like trash. Slowly the stutters slipped into bigger games, even as I upgraded my GPU...
In hindsight it’s clear that chip was an awesome choice, but Intel *never* improved enough to make me upgrade.
RIP INTEL
10400F MIGHT be worth it though
The problem is that CPU would be a i7 8700, but the less consuption and less frequency will do It impossible
That's why I bought an i7 at the time, 2016, because I knew the more threaded games are going to be the future.
same, i had the 3570k, just could't justify uograding; until i saw that sweet R5 3600 beckoning me.
Dunno what was in my mind in 2011 when I also read all those "4 cores is enough" But then I just went fk it, I'll get i7 2600K YOLO. The extra threads for maybe 80€ were really worth it because it bought a lot of time. Still running it and performance is great. Otherwise I'd have likely upgraded already years ago.
It’s a shame corona is a thing, I’d love to attend Intel’s funeral
Intel isn't going anywhere. With 10th gen laptop chips, a lot of 9th gen computers would be discounted.
You are aware they just had a record quarter, right?
Intel won't die any time soon, but they sure are paving the way for it to happen
Even AMD did not die in the bulldozer era. Intel is not going any time soon.
Burn
AMD : shoots intel's corpse.
Me : Hes already dead.
AMD : pulls out 3300X and shoot's Intel again.
Me: Hes already double dead.
AMD: pulls out zen 4 and shoot's Intel again.
Intel: I still have the high end gaming lead.
AMD: Whips out Zen 3 Ryzen 4000 with 8 cores per ccx.
Intel: well, shit.
Ali Samin Where did you hear that? For this generation it has to be made my nvidia to ensure backwards compatibility.
Tests : 7700k from 2017 beating all latest ryzens from 2020 @ some games
AMDtards : AMD winning ...
Me : facepalm
@@Taurus_Play 7700k (still 250/300 bucks) AMD 3100 100 bucks
Am I the only one who is amazed by the *3400G* ? It's a Zen+ 4-core CPU and holds up pretty well against the 3100 and the i3-9100F. I know it costs more because it's an APU but still impress me (even with 3000mhz RAM, considering how important fast RAM is for Zen/Zen+)
It is decent apu I've expected this kind of performance
My jaw just dropped when I saw 200 watts on my 4790k.
CPUs have really come a long way in terms of power efficiency.
Im running an overclocked x5650. I don't even have the courage to look at the power usage. Will 100% get an RE.
the new intel´s still suckle casually 300 watts
@FrostlightX that's overclocked to 4.8GHz, probably with much increased voltage. A stock 4790K doesn't pull anything like that.
@@FullNietzsche You're right. Found an article where it's said that under full load cpu reaches 180watts.
590 watts on 9990xe
Awesome!!! I really wanted a review on this CPU, I purchased a 1600 AF and i love it for my use-case. Thanks GN crew and steve! once again you guys are amazing! i appreciate the content you guys make. Stay safe !
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i mean, he's the Tech Jesus, along with Tech Buddha from PCWorld...
*sad hardware unboxed noises*
@@mungojerrie86 *Hadron Boxes*
@@mungojerrie86 you mean harbour on box? ;)
@@alrecks619 Unboxing the Large Hadron Collider
I'm going to have trouble recommending this CPU with the 3300X so close in price. I don't expect a 20% boost from the 3300X, but I do expect increased gains from overclocking. Eagerly anticipating the 3300X video.
You shouldn't run 3100 at voltages that GN did. Like, it's not realistic, go to r/overclocking, you will find easily that this voltage is not 24/7 stable OC for Zen 2. OC results from Zen 2 GN coverage are to be taken with a grain of sand for that reason.
That's the thing about it, 20% doesn't mean much when you're talking about $100 to $120 so the upgrade makes sense. And an extra $20 probably isn't going to break the bank. It's different when you're telling someone to spend 20% more for minimal gains when it's going from $300 to $360 or $400 to $480. Same percentages but a bigger pill to swallow.
Here in Italy the 3300X is almost nowhere to be found. The few outlets that do sell it have spiked the price to 180 Euros, whichi is ridiculous (I could buy a 3600 with a few bucks more). That's why my broke ass is considering the 3100, lol.
Oscar Molina Cansino ya exactly can’t find it in Ireland either, but the 3100 is available.
That's actually why I went with 3100. With no intention of overclocking, and only real demands of my pc being gaming, it made sense to get more base power per dollar.
00:00 - Intro to CCX-to-CCX Latency on 3100 & 3300X
05:13 - 1T Frequency Scaling Behavior & Boost
05:56 - Marketing Fact-Check on All-Core Boost
06:45 - Total War TK Battle at 1080p
08:23 - Frametime Plot & FPS "Smoothness"
09:41 - 1440p Total War Benchmark & Bottlenecks
10:41 - Three Kingdoms Campaign Benchmark
11:40 - The Division 2 & Bigger AMD Advantage
13:00 - Red Dead Redemption 2 CPU Benchmark (1080p Vulkan)
14:11 - F1 2019 1080p & 1440p Dx12 CPU Benchmarks
15:22 - Shadow of the Tomb Raider 1080p Dx12
16:04 - Civilization VI AI Processing Turn Time
16:56 - GTA V Dx11 & Intel Advantage (Sometimes)
17:55 - Production Benchmarks: Blender 2.81 CPU Comparison
19:50 - Adobe Premiere CPU Benchmarks R3 3100 CPU
21:35 - Adobe Photoshop Best CPUs
22:29 - Compression & Decompression 7-Zip Benchmarks
24:15 - Code Compile CPU Benchmark for Programming
25:17 - AMD R3 3100 Power Consumption
26:30 - Conclusion: AMD R3 3100 vs. 1600AF, 9100F, 3600
A few weeks ago I recommended the 1600AF to a buddy of mine to upgrade his 1300x, he'll be happy to hear he got that $85 unicorn that's better than this part which would have been in his budget.
it's a shame they went out of stock on Amazon. I was considering getting one and just a day after I last checked, they were gone. this must've been why
Clearly the better CPU and more future proof with 8 core consoles coming.
so glad i got mine. having the 6 cores and 12 threads is so nice
I bought one for my brother last week to replace his i5-3470. Newegg wanted $115, but amazon still had it for $85.
Makes sense to have the 3100/3300X come in as the replacements for the 1500/1500X/1600/1600X/2200/2400 CPUs, and drop off the availability and manufacturing of the older CPUs. It also opens the door for the next gen, something like Ryzen5 4500 at 8c/16t (2x CCX) that should come in under the $150 mark.
What the hell? A 300$ CPU (3700X) reduced to just 150$. Give it a couple more years at least m8.
Isn’t the 3300x supposed to be the one that meets the 7700k
Yes it is.Wait for it.
@@vyor8837 what do you mean?
@@vyor8837 or, you know, he made a fucking mistake. Like all humans do.
3300x has better latency for sure is going to be better in gaming
Yes it is.
A friend of minr still has the fx8350 and I think it actually got better over time since a lot of things use the 8 cores now, games back then only really used 2 cores
it still barely fights 2c/4t i3s because the IPC is very bad on top of it not being an actual 8 core
Thanks for the review Steve! I upgraded 3 months ago an 10 year old old Phenom II 965 based PC with a 3100, Gigabyte B450 motherboard, 16gb of Gskill ram and a EVGA 1050Ti from the old build, and it's handled everything I've thrown at it on the regular settings.
Glad to see the CEO checking the new parts
I guess the embargo has lifted giving the tsunami of content
😅
As an owner of an dual cpu system ( 2x(4core 8thread) ) I can tell you that many new games benefit when disabling numa nodes (making the CPUs register as one) in both frametimes aswell as framerate. The only game that benefits from separating the CPUs into numa nodes is fallout 76, this being a very latency sensitive game and becomes playable without microstutters.
When your feed gets flooded with reviews, but you know where to come for the best one
amazing review, once again more detailed review then the rest ;D
I would love to buy a ryzen 3 3300x but still no stock in my market. Should i get a ryzen 3 3100 or a ryzen 5 2600 same price (120usd) at my market.
Edit. 3300x on stock for ~160usd now
Great video! It would have been awesome to also have idle power consumption since these low end CPUs are usually used in home made NAS or other applications that need low power consumption
Steve, can you add DaVinci Resolve productivity tests? Adobe is behind in optimizing CPU processing
CPU launch like this makes me excited
Would it be possible for you guys to review the 3200GE and also the 3400GE? These are the low-power versions of the desktop APUs. I'd love to get them "on the record" before the new round of Zen2-based APUs come out (because there will be new low-power versions of those as well.)
Thank you as always for all the great work!
Was able to snag the 2700x for $179 during the price drops for the inlaws, been great with the 1650s.
I do believe B550 will be another stroke of genius from Zen gen AMD!
I am so glad I picked up a 1600 AF after I saw your review, granted, my tower cooler is 60 bucks more than the CPU but I built it with upgrades in mind, right now running at 4000 all core at 47c and no complaints, gen 4 being on the same socket I am sitting poised for they Ryzen gen 4!
Push it to 4.2
@@miniweeddeerz1820 Do that JUST if you have good VRMs, as the required voltage use to be pretty high (+1,375V)
this would be an actual noticeable difference to power bills in our office if we switched to something like this for work stations 50w for 4c/8t thats less then some light bulbs
I've checked at a store in my country where new stuff is usually up first and the 1600 AF is still 15$ less in my country. The 3100 is around 120$ in that store and the 1600 af is 105$.
1600af is the way
Nice review. Can't wait for 10th gen intel benchmarks
i heard some were leaked and they are beasts
I just bought a 1600 AF for 92$ on Amazon a couple months ago(Jan 2021) so somehow they keep cranking out more stock. Amazing part for the price!
I'm glad I pulled the trigger on buying the 1600AF back in January when it was still constantly at $85, even if I haven't actually built the system yet (just buying parts here and there when I can, can't afford to buy all at once).
Your charts have so many CPU's on them, I wonder if it would make sense to trim them down. Perhaps eliminate the 0.1% lows too (but not the frametime plots). There is just SO much going on. I realize this thoroughness might be a positive point of differentiation for you among some viewers, but I'm betting you could streamline a bit and still have far more going in that regard. Just some thoughts. It might ease your workload a bit too, and let you concentrate on enhancing other aspects. I hope you take this in a positive way, and I appreciate what you do.
I agree, too much information in those charts make them harder to analyze on the go
anyone remember when the budget pc market was shook because intel released the G4560 with 2 cores and 4 threads and right after ryzen came out?
*Request for future C/GPU reviews*: I use my workstation for deep learning, and it would be really great to see a benchmark specifically aimed at that workload, especially fitting large recurrent and convolutional networks. Memory bandwidth and frequency vary in importance with the model architecture.
Linus for the Normies, Digital Foundry for the Casuals, Hardware Unboxed for the Enthusiasts, and Gamers' Nexus for the Hardcore
Great content as always, the only issue maybe is when jumping between timestamps on graphs you can't see the graph title. Did you think of using black bars on top and bottom ?
What is with the 7700K used prices?
I mean +$300 for a 3 year old CPU?
I don't know lol, intel has always had great resale value when it comes to its cpus..its great for me haha. Selling my i7 6700k with mobo soon
@@MrEditsCinema It has big resale values because people are dumb and keep buying it. You can buy a b450/550 board and a 3300x for the price of the used i7,nobody is going to buy it.
Check out x58 motherboards, $200+ AUD for a ten year old platform *sigh*
Intel is still the best for competitive gaming intels CPU’s hold there value and will continue to until they are actually dethroned .
Intels old 7700k is still as good for gaming as AMD’s 3900x there are few circumstances /games where there will be less than a 10% highest frame rate will go to the larger core size AMD 3000 series,
But also there is a a frame time consistency and latency issue that intel is ahead in and until amd 3000 series it was noticeable by the eye to even mediocre gamers, but competitive /pro gamers you won’t find any that use AMD CPU’s unless they were paid to same way with GPU’s Radeon aren’t used because they aren’t as good if they were they would be used by competitive / pro gamers .
AMD is the budget option and have finally developed product that are competitive I mean better late than never but I feel sorry for all the Ryzen first gen buyers who can’t give away there CPU’s because the last three years AMD literally pulled a line from intels book selling three generation of CPU’s at 5-10%improvement each year in three years the only thing they did differen is they dropped the price each generation slightly for every segmentation so as to canabalize the used value of there CPU’s , at least if you buy a high end intel cpu you can sell it for what you paid for it almost 5 years later because they aren’t throwing out $85 dollar good enough CPU’s and now there going with a 3100 that if you bought a Ryzen 5 1600 new for $250 two years ago you be lucky someone give you $50 for it today that’s tough phew so much for sale and upgrade the one cpu that everyone wants to upgrade is the 3900 or 3950 and those are the cost of a i9 9900k pretty much just not as good for gaming
High demand, it's the best CPU you can upgrade to from the choking 6th/7th gen i3s and i5s without changing the motherboard.
This is the 3rd ryzen 3 video I've watched this morning
So much knowledge and research in these videos. Thank you for your time and effort in these vids!
Y'all do charts wrong. Charts are meant to be clear and easy to understand, showing relevant information at a glance. If you include LITERALLY every single processor on the market, the chart loses its meaning. You should include results of the processor you're reviewing, what it's meant to compete against, and maybe processors that are one tier higher or lower in price (like the 3600 in this video.)
Bloody hell the 7700k is still $334 on Amazon.. that is pretty close to what I paid for it a few months after it came out. Nice to see it on the charts though, it's in a lot of systems including mine, probably going to take a generation maybe two when it becomes worth upgrading (for my workload).
Watched the short take from ltt now the indepth from you
I think the 1600AF put shocked the industry. 6 core 12 threads for under 100 dollars. I remember when the Athalon quad cores dropped at 89 dollars. that much power for that little of a price tag is what makes you believe moores law is real and technology is really advancing! pretty soon we will be building decent gaming rigs from the dollar store!
Here in croatia you can find an in box ryzen 3 3100 with the cooler for €60($67).
best 3100 review so far hands down, i like the 1600 af at 4.2 ghz in the comparison, only you guys did that.
Back in the days, I remember some enterprising motherboard manufacturer provided BIOS hack to enable locked cores in AMD Phemon processors. I wounder if the same is possible for R3 3100. Then maybe we will have a budget production CPU... + RTX 2060 KO
Old timer thinking out loud...
great job !
i need budget gaming system but
where i live (Turkey) the parts are expensive like:
R5 3600 : 210 $
R3 3300x : 175 $
R3 3100 : 130 $
I5 9400f : 170 $
i3 9100f : 83 $
so i went with R3 3100 for gamimg and daily use . was it a wise choice ?!
If you are a csgo player, it runs csgo very well similar to r5 2600 ;)
Asians in the US especially here in NYC are buying up the highly rated parts to the point where nothing good is in stock at my local Microcenter. I then see a sudden increase in private sellers selling "used" parts in my area and at marked up prices.
In Portugal the 3100 is 82€ and the 3300x is 130€. I mean for 50€ I don't think it's worth it at all.
Steve: With youtube's new timeline feature
Me, who's still on the old design: *Interesting*
Whats so special about that timeline feature anyway?
Alright now let me just grab my 100$ CPU and 600$ motherboard and let's do this!
B550 has been announced as well, it'll just be a 100$ board
@@_yuri maybe he is just planning on a really good upgrade down the line eh? It's not like the motherboard will suddenly become unusable in the next generation or anything...
Also you can still get X470 and B450 if you don't need PCIe 4.0. By now every board you buy new will be updated for 3000.
@@kitfagan2027 or b350/x370
@@RFLCPTR some of those were extremely buggy tho and they are a first generation product with a lot of flaws
I helped my friend build a PC in January 2017. I implored him to wait a few months for Zen to drop, but he really wanted to build right then and there. It felt so terrible to recommend an i5 6500, but it was the only decent choice in his budget. Pretty awesome that what was the best mainstream performance back then is now a $100 budget option. Thank you AMD for making the market competitive again...but also screw you for taking nearly 10 years to do it.
Sucks for your friend.
Just got hit with more then a dozen notifacation
close your notifications then if you all gonna cry about it.
You're being spanked for grammar and spelling.
How is a 3100 even at stock, faster on 7-zip decompression than even a stock 3500X? This is really weird.
Do you think I should buy a new cpu like r3100 and change my stock cooler into aftermarket one?
I’m glad I got one a couple years ago. I got it for less than $100, and a cheap B550 board for even less.
Best part, after a couple years I can upgrade to a 5800X3D or 5950X, and I have four memory slots. By the time I upgrade that, those chips should be about as expensive as the 3100X
The Ryzen 5000 series, even in 2023 to 2024 is Still Excellent!
i3 isn't great for desktop use but with the i3 9100 (non-F) including ECC support, integrated graphics, low power usage and workstation/server board support, it's actually one of the best NAS/media server chips you can buy. I'd love to build a Ryzen NAS machine but with a compromise between ECC and integrated graphics, and few workstation/server board options available, there aren't too many options. Yes, you could put a cheap discrete GPU on something like this R3 3100, but then you lose a PCIe slot that could have been used for more storage.
Man, the 9600k given insane performance for being a 6c6t, still a beast cpu
It is priced ridiculously in my country . Like a 3300x costs 140$ and the 9600k costs 280$
7700k still does really well. My wife uses my old one now, and I was surprised to see it push such high FPS in RDR2 when she played it earlier this year.
Can't wait to see the comparison between these two new CPUs
I think the fact that the 3100 X can nearly match the 1600 AF with fewer cores is impressive. Even with latency. The only thing is it was Significantly Cheaper, but out of stock
19:30 I'm super thankful I was able to recommend the 1600 AF to a friend for his budget system before prices shot up. While the 3100 and 3300X are great, that friend also really wanted to get into streaming, so these cpus really wouldn't cut it.
I'm considering getting a 3300x replacement for my 4790k with a x570/b550 board and then dropping a 4800x or something similar into it
Not a bad idea.. Amd cpus on the used market go for around New price too so you will get that money back
Go with the B550 (if you can wait for June) it should save some cash on features you probably won’t need and might be the difference between a mid range and higher end gpu.
4790k @ 4.7-4.8 = 7700k stock in games ... so switch to 3300x will be stupid .
Would you consider running memory scaling benchmarks for the 3100? I believe that faster fclock/uclock would bring it closer to the 3300x
how much of the video do we have to watch for it to count ? i'll be reading the article but i want to support you guys. i'll just listen to the video while i read but i can also let youtube play all your videos in a playlist on mute if that helps
I am so glad I got the 3100 X instead of an Athlon or a 3400G.
At the time when I was purchasing, the 1600 AF wasn’t available and I had to think about the motherboard- I wanted to have an upgrade path to a 5800X3D or 5950X, so🤷🏻♂️
For me, the $20 wasn’t worth it. I just wanted to get my foot in the door to a B550 Board, and have the option for a better CPU, some bells and whistles like PCIe4.0, NVMe and able to support 128GB Ram (in the future)
I gotta stop watching other tech channels. They're shilling for AMD on godly levels. This channel is the only channel that still gives you an unbiased level headed take on CPUs and I'm glad.
No, neither the 3100 or 3300x faster than the 7700k in gaming. Especially when the 7700k is overclocked. So you AMD fanboys can stop screaming Intel is dead. Anyone who wanted a 7700k bought one three years ago. You're screaming victory at the top of your lungs against a CPU no one cares about anymore. Congrats.
That being said, the 3300x is the much better value. Unless prices on the 7700k drop drastically it's not worth buying over a 3300x. But again, it's not faster. So, stop it lol.
They're "shilling" for AMD because if it wasn't for Ryzen and its rapid advancements, Intel would still be selling you a quad-core i7 for $350-400; maybe a 6-core if they were feeling generous. Now you can buy an efficient $120 CPU that's on par with the i7-7700 and can easily run in a $60 motherboard. I seriously don't understand how people like you whine about progress and getting more for your money thanks to competition.
@@coreyisabigpushover you still shouldn't favor either company, especially as a reviewer. Let the numbers speak for themselves. That being said AMD is dominating every cpu space now, except for the "absolute best in gaming" title, which it's somewhat close to getting too.
What do you think of the current crop of APU’s?
Is AMD’s upcoming 8000G APU’s pin compatible with the current High End R9’s?
I have this impression that 1600af was a stopgap in the low price segment. It wedged the door open while they were ramping up to launch these new entry level skus. Why they aren't filling in the 4c CPUs under $85 should be the big marketing push.
I really wanted to see this compare, thanks. sure glad I got a 1600af for $85 from amazon. It's what pushed me to upgrade my system and hasn't been disappointing. the gigabyte b450 MB, now that's disappointing.
I'm glad buying a 2600 2 weeks ago for 120$ wasnt a total mistake. Should have saved some money by getting 1600AF but whatever.
Was hoping you would have released your 3300X review 29:51 after this review.
Good detailed report 👍
Soooooo glad I was in a position to pick up the 1600 AF when it initially dropped.
Great quality content as always
What camera do you use to record your review / vlog? Looks amazing
1600AF prices just shot up again... let's hope they still have stock by the time they completely run out.
I understand my CPU has some latency built-in, but in most day to day stuff and gaming, it’s not noticeable. Especially in older games, which is the only thing I really have
I would love to see the R3 3100 vs like a sandy bridge CPU (I5 2400 or i7 2600), this is more than likely the user, that will be looking to step up to ryzen. Most people running these CPU's (like me) are always looking for bang for the buck. I built my current computer (i5 2400 optiplex), because i could do it for under $300.00. I'm currently building a R5 1600 AF, but if i were to buy right now (Overpriced scalper sellers due to human malware effecting supply), the 3100 would probably be my choice, to buy into the platform
Ryzen 3 3100 should get 30 to 35% more frames than the i5 2400
Any chance we can get the original 1600 retested? A lot of first gen ryzen buyers are still holding on waiting to upgrade
holy mess this timestamp feature is amazing! thanks!
I really hope your cat is going to be okay after licking off the thermal paste.
If there's thermal paste on the underside of your CPU, you're using thermal paste wrong
thanks for all the content recently, im trying to do the same for da peeps xD
The standard 3100 isn't designed to compete with the i7 line, it's more for the i3-i5 line, but the fact that it even sits near the i7 7700k, Intels 3 year old gaming king, on any chart consistently is very worrying for Intel. Especially since the 3300x actually beats the 7700k out right on 70% of tasks be it single or multi-threaded performance. For $120 that CPU is wiping the floor with a used 7700k at nearly $350.
It doesn't sit near it for gaming. The 7700k is consistently above the 3950x in these gaming benchmarks. I upgraded from a 7700k @ 4.9 to a Ryzen 3700x and if anything the 7700k was a little faster at normal tasks and sometimes way faster when gaming.
I was looking for a 1600af recently. The cheapest I could find was $240 through a reseller so I was just about to go 3600x instead. Now I'm going to start researching all over
Why 3600x 3600 non x is almost the same you just oc it and you have saved 25-50$
I got a Ryzen 9 3950x incoming, any opinions on what the best motherboard for it would be? im looking at GIGABYTE X570 AORUS XTREME for the really overkill or the ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Hero.
I guess I was lucky to get a 1600af at $85? But I can only get 4.0 on mine at 1.4v so unlucky there.
What is the motherboard used for testing? Only motherboard supported is x570. So is bios update required for x570 motherboard to run 3100 cpu
i had to pay $113 for the 1600af. i still think it was a solid choice for the rig I built at that price.
Steve is covering the 3100, while Jay covered the 3300X. And both use the 7700K as a reference. I really do think they called each other, and I wonder if their both going to do a head to head OC match this weekend via "Zoom" for amusement. Yet I wonder when we'll see Kyle and Linus do a match up also? ;) lol
Why does it sound like Steve is in x1.25?