Pre-Christian Paganism in Early-Medieval Frisia | UiO Student Conference 2023

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  • In the Early Middle Ages, Frisia in its broadest extent was the geographic area encompassing the coastal areas of parts of Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany and into Denmark. Culturally and linguistically close to Anglo-Saxon England and the Norse in Scandinavia, the question of what religion was observed in Frisia before the arrival of Christianity along with the Carolingian Frankish conquests starting in 719 AD with the death of King Redbad is a particularly interesting one. In this video, I'll look at what we can glean from historical, linguistic, and archaeological sources about pre-Christian religion in Frisia during this time as part of the First UiO Student Conference on Pre-Christian Religion hosted by students of the Viking and Medieval program at the University of Oslo.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 377

  • @christopherstein2024
    @christopherstein2024 Рік тому +22

    Introduction
    0:00 Expostition
    2:41 Rough Timeline of coversion
    7:26 Types of Sources
    Analysis
    11:22 Sacred places
    19:58 Sacrifice and more
    33:10 Funerals
    43:47 Material Culture
    53:29 Conclusion
    56:21 Questions

    • @jacquelinevanderkooij4301
      @jacquelinevanderkooij4301 5 місяців тому

      Hallo Hilbert, what about the Nortsea? Was this called the Frisian sea?
      Was Nort-frisia ment to make trade easier than from Greater Frisia. As for Hedeby f.i.

    • @jacquelinevanderkooij4301
      @jacquelinevanderkooij4301 5 місяців тому

      Hallo Hilbert, zoals je weet handelden friezen al eeuwen met Engeland. In romeinse tijd werden friezen ook 'misbruikt' in het romeinse leger.
      Dit was voor 536 AD. Friezen waren all-over- the place. Oud-engels en Oud-fries zijn bijna hetzelfde.
      Mijn gevoel zegt dat we als friezen, ook omdat we het land moesten verlaten i.v.m. te veel water veel meer aanwezig waren in East-anglia en Kent.
      Ik vond de opmerking van een mw. in ee historisch programna heel reëel ' If I wear a jeans does not mean I'm from the USA'.
      Durf jij je idee uit te spreken ?

  • @Jobe-13
    @Jobe-13 Рік тому +295

    I easily forget this guy does a lot of scholarly work outside of UA-cam and see him as just a guy on UA-cam who makes videos about language and history.

    • @moumous87
      @moumous87 Рік тому +17

      First time I discover that he is a professor? And first time seeing his face too 😳

    • @bla5102
      @bla5102 Рік тому +12

      I think he is still a student.

    • @calvinkrist5672
      @calvinkrist5672 Рік тому +9

      @@powdergate From the description "First UiO Student Conference on Pre-Christian Religion hosted by students of the Viking and Medieval program at the University of Oslo." implying that it is students giving the lectures.

    • @zjb2202
      @zjb2202 Рік тому +14

      @@powdergate ​ I can confirm he’s still a student. I was in attendance at this conference and attended classes with Hilbert, as well as the other presenters of this conference. as my peer last semester at UiO.

    • @nachiketavajasrava5
      @nachiketavajasrava5 Рік тому

      Both Abrahamic and Ibrahamic cults are extremely satanic in nature. Where ever they spread they decimated and absolutely destroyed the local culture and threw the new converts into perpetual dark ages. Until the people liberated themselves with French Revolution of liberty equality and fraternity with secularism and free speech. This decapitated and debilitated the evil satanic clergies who hounded others in the name of paganism and blasphemy. Islam is still under that spell.

  • @theicepickthatkilledtrotsk658
    @theicepickthatkilledtrotsk658 Рік тому +227

    1-hour long video about Pre-Christian Frisia. Unfathomably based.

  • @HSLSENG
    @HSLSENG Рік тому +41

    Our man really decided to share an absolute goldmine with us today.

    • @mver191
      @mver191 2 місяці тому

      YeeeeeHhhhh snukmak.

  • @Thanadeez
    @Thanadeez Рік тому +83

    this guy inspires me to start my own history channel on netherlandish history

    • @historywithhilbert146
      @historywithhilbert146  Рік тому +16

      Great to hear!

    • @catnotpat3693
      @catnotpat3693 Рік тому +5

      Go for it! I’ll watch..

    • @Thanadeez
      @Thanadeez Рік тому +6

      @@catnotpat3693 Thanks, it’ll likely be featured on this channel’s featured channel section, will take a couple of weeks tho cuz i’m currently re-decorating my room, first video will likely be about the medieval flemish migration to the british isles

    • @s.durbar1294
      @s.durbar1294 Рік тому +1

      there's a few of those already, good playlists too!

    • @YTho-ev1ej
      @YTho-ev1ej Рік тому

      Just subscribed in advance

  • @EMvanLoon
    @EMvanLoon Рік тому +34

    As a long time on-and-off follower of this channel, this is my first time I see the "face" of this channel. Nice to meet you, Hilbert! Despite the duration, I really enjoyed this lecture, don't mind more of these! 🙂 Thanks!

  • @StinkyMonkey85
    @StinkyMonkey85 Рік тому +31

    Baie interessant. Na my stamvader in 1690 Leeuwaarden verlaat het vir die Kaap, het ek uiteindelik laasjaar die stad van my voorouer se herkoms met my eie oë gesien. Geniet jou video's, hou so aan!

    • @jkr9594
      @jkr9594 11 місяців тому

      What language is that?
      I can almost understand it, as I could with Dutch (being a German speaker), but DeepL can't properly translate it as that.

    • @StinkyMonkey85
      @StinkyMonkey85 11 місяців тому +3

      @@jkr9594 it's Afrikaans. :)

    • @xsXRevanXsx
      @xsXRevanXsx 9 місяців тому

      Altijd leuk om Afrikaans te zien.

  • @finolaomurchu8217
    @finolaomurchu8217 Рік тому +15

    Is this same man that narrates, what an incredible historian. I've listened to the first third and it is so packed with info. 🧚‍♂️☘️

  • @SamuelLove
    @SamuelLove Рік тому +5

    Descendent of Frisians in America. Thank you for what you do!

  • @SicSeb
    @SicSeb Рік тому +17

    Interessant. Als Brabander ben ik niet heel bekend met de geschiedenis van de Friezen. Ik weet er wel het een en ander van, maar niet zo gedetailleerd als mij nu is voor geschoteld.
    Heel erg bedankt. Het was super Interessant.

    • @historywithhilbert146
      @historywithhilbert146  Рік тому +7

      Mooi dat je het interessant vond! Als je meer wilt weten over de periode ben je van harte welkom in onze Facebook groep: Early Medieval Frisia and Frisians:
      facebook.com/groups/1801761310216482/

  • @juneroberts5305
    @juneroberts5305 Рік тому +51

    I've always loved the story of Redbad and his near baptism. Because really, who wants to spend eternity with strangers when you can spend eternity with your family and friends that you loved in this life.

    • @SuperVlerik
      @SuperVlerik Рік тому +3

      One of my favorites too!

    • @michielvanasten3021
      @michielvanasten3021 Рік тому +1

      You think eternal damnation in hell is like ‘spending quality time with your loved ones? I feel sorry for him.

    • @juneroberts5305
      @juneroberts5305 Рік тому +3

      @@michielvanasten3021 I don't believe in heaven or hell. So, Redbads take on things is pretty much my own.

    • @Rynewulf
      @Rynewulf Рік тому +10

      @@michielvanasten3021 only christians believe that though, so when trying to convert someone worried about who they will spend the afterlife with telling them that your god will but them and all their friends and loved ones through eternal suffering for not going to the right holy site or saying the correct foreign prayer formula isnt a great sell tbh

    • @generatoralignmentdevalue
      @generatoralignmentdevalue Рік тому +3

      @@michielvanasten3021 It sounds like he didn't grasp the new concept of an exclusive religion, that just believes other gods and afterlives don't even exist, and believes that people not raised in Christianity are somehow still subject to it. This was a really weird idea to pagans.
      The guy was treating it like every other potential religion he could observe. He didn't choose hell over heaven. He chose his own religion's set of afterlives, over the Christian set of Heaven and Hell. He probably thought of Hell as a place for Christians who don't make it to Heaven.

  • @lowersaxon
    @lowersaxon Рік тому +4

    He‘s a gifted presenter, seemingly rather intelligent and knows his stuff, very enjoyable. I worked in the same profession, i.e. university.

  • @Survivethejive
    @Survivethejive Рік тому +5

    Great lecture Hilbert!

  • @jamesarnold9264
    @jamesarnold9264 Рік тому +7

    Been interested in Frisia ever since I found out my Father's last name is DeVries, which means "The
    Frisian." Never met my Father, but also did a 23 and Me test and the number 1 region in the "Germanic" category was Friesland. Accurate!

    • @markus-2600
      @markus-2600 5 місяців тому

      Isnt your last name De Vries as well if your father is called De Vries?

    • @ventedbus4917
      @ventedbus4917 3 місяці тому

      @@markus-2600may use their mothers maiden name

  • @hideouswh5718
    @hideouswh5718 Рік тому +4

    The amount of time and effort you put in researching the history of my homeland is astounding! Amazing video and good luck with your studies!

  • @antonleimbach648
    @antonleimbach648 Рік тому +23

    I was born in Holland and my grandfather is from Friesland. I have always wondered about my ancestry and appreciate this video. Thank you for posting!

    • @azurephoenix9546
      @azurephoenix9546 Рік тому +1

      Can I ask you a question?
      My great grandfather was also from Friesland but emigrated to the US, but he had a TON of photos because he was a photographer. In some of the photos, there's small, handmade brooms hanging over the doors, do you happen to know what the significance of that would be? I've always been curious.

    • @Tresorton
      @Tresorton 7 місяців тому

      It is a protective symbol against negative influences from outside, curses or bad-tempered spirits

  • @Frigga020
    @Frigga020 5 місяців тому +2

    Bedankt voor al deze informatie. Ik ben van fries bloed (helemaal terug kunnen traceren tot 1600) en erg geïnteresseerd in het geloof van frisia.(Ook studeer ik celtureel erfgoed) Ik beschouw mijzelf pagan. Dit is zeer informatief. Bedankt!

  • @bcgerritsma8473
    @bcgerritsma8473 Рік тому +3

    Great presentation! Thank you!

  • @williamcooke5627
    @williamcooke5627 Рік тому

    An excellent lecture, Hilbert! Heartiest congratulations!

  • @eddys.3524
    @eddys.3524 Рік тому +4

    Thanks for this insight in early Dutch history.. I hope we can expect more of these interesting video's.

  • @jeroenbakker52
    @jeroenbakker52 Рік тому +1

    Fascinating lecture! Thank you

  • @thomassugg5621
    @thomassugg5621 Рік тому +5

    This was so interesting and informative. Really enjoyed

  • @John-wb6ju
    @John-wb6ju Рік тому +5

    Excellent scholar's cradle and emphasis through arm movement

  • @redbad2652
    @redbad2652 Рік тому +5

    Very good video. Excellent information, you cleared up some of the murky information on the available on the internet about this topic.

  • @daddypoil
    @daddypoil Рік тому

    Excellent work ! Thank you so much, my favourite subject !

  • @marcocapelle
    @marcocapelle Рік тому +3

    Nice to see this lecture!

  • @roberthiorns7584
    @roberthiorns7584 Рік тому

    Very interesting and Greatly enjoyed.
    kind regards,
    Robert.

  • @PenguinofD00mxxx
    @PenguinofD00mxxx Рік тому

    Great lecture, thanks for sharing

  • @kielbasa.sausage
    @kielbasa.sausage Рік тому +6

    Hey hilbert!! Could you do a video about bards in celtic culture and their importance and maybe mention some famous bards? I'm a huge history buff and also a musician so I have a big respect for the bardic culture of early history.

  • @thormituns7970
    @thormituns7970 Рік тому +6

    It would be great to hear this guys thoughts on the Codex Oera Linda

  • @Ikbende2emetdezenaam
    @Ikbende2emetdezenaam Рік тому +4

    As a Dutchman I really enjoyed this look into a part of our history that's not taught enough. Also can I ask where you bought those glasses? im looking for a pair just like that lmao

  • @willelm88
    @willelm88 7 місяців тому +1

    Excellent lecture, Hilbert!

  • @asherchadwick7716
    @asherchadwick7716 Рік тому +46

    This was a wonderful lecture! Thank you for posting it and letting us all see it. You made mention of a lecture by a fellow presenter named Conner about Anglo-Saxons and the keynote speaker after you. Is there anywhere we can go to see more lectures from this conference?

    • @historywithhilbert146
      @historywithhilbert146  Рік тому +13

      Thanks Asher! I did record three other lectures held at the conference but alas not Connor's. I'll be uploading them in the next few weeks.

    • @user-po8ke5vh2e
      @user-po8ke5vh2e Рік тому +3

      @@historywithhilbert146 GREAT LECTURE ! i want to ask a question - or just share the info - in modern day russia - on volga river around Jaroslavl city same happen - people gone(they were more like vikings and finish - and had a conection to them) and then place was repopulated at about exact the same time as uv showed

    • @ulrikschackmeyer848
      @ulrikschackmeyer848 Рік тому

      @@historywithhilbert146 Looking very much forward to more, fine videos. Is it possible to ask the presenters of the videos you did not tape, if they had anybody else do it? I'm just so VERY interested!

  • @klaassiersma4892
    @klaassiersma4892 Рік тому +2

    Zeg Hilbert je zegt nu wel d'r is geen geschieds schrijving uit Friesland uit die tijd , maar wat denk je dan over de Oera linda, onzin, of besmet omdat Himmler er mee aan de haal ging tijdens de tweede wereld oorlog. Ik heb het ding gelezen en het is toch wel een episch verhaal allemaal.

  • @craftycriminalistwithms.z3053

    I enjoy seeing your face and you speaking! Thanks for sharing! ❤

  • @zzebowa
    @zzebowa Рік тому +1

    Fascinating, excellent vid. I remember when normal TV was this good. Sadly, those days are long gone.

  • @cryptout
    @cryptout Рік тому

    Super interessant en je bent een geweldige spreker!

  • @sjonhennyson5442
    @sjonhennyson5442 Рік тому +12

    On the isle of Ameland is a well called the Fostabron, once a sacred well, dedicated to Fosite. It is located just outside Nes. Whoever scooped out water was not allowed to say anything. The land around it and the cattle that grazed on it were also sacred. Ameland was called Fostaland before.

    • @historywithhilbert146
      @historywithhilbert146  Рік тому +1

      Interesting! I'll check that out and see if there's a possible connection there. Do you have a source on it being It Amelân? Most interpretations I've seen suggest it's Heligoland being referred to in the texts.

    • @Weda01
      @Weda01 Рік тому +4

      ​​@@historywithhilbert146 Waling Dykstra writes about Ameland formerly being known as Fostaland (not to be confused with Fositesland which allegedly is Heligoland) in his 19th century book called "Uit Friesland's volksleven". Waling Dykstra writes about the goddess Fosta (not Fosite) that was allegedly formerly worshipped there. It is probably not the best source though since it claims to base this story on the oral tradition of that time, but it might still be an interesting read. Tresoar has the book digitally available for free if you are interested.

    • @ErikHolten
      @ErikHolten Рік тому

      @@Weda01 Looks like a different genitive form.

    • @protinsplatt1379
      @protinsplatt1379 5 місяців тому

      The island 'Helgoland' was the place where Fosite was located. Helgoland or in Frisian 'Hilgeland' means 'Holy land'. It is the old sanctuary place of the Frisians. The frisian island are very young. The didn't even exist in old germanic Friesland.

  • @luienl9295
    @luienl9295 Рік тому

    love your channel, im hoping you will cover Dorestad in the future. would love to know more.

  • @HoH
    @HoH Рік тому +5

    Some Bazbattles vibes with the music 😉

  • @user-po8ke5vh2e
    @user-po8ke5vh2e Рік тому

    amazing info - mate u r great!

  • @las1147
    @las1147 Рік тому +1

    Thank you so much for sharing this! Really interesting stuff.
    Also fun to discover that apart from living 300 metres from one of the first sights Willibrordus founded a church in Holland, I also live relatively close to what could've been a sacred site!

  • @mrchuffy8320
    @mrchuffy8320 Рік тому

    Very interesting talk, much appreciated.

  • @smittoria
    @smittoria Рік тому +3

    Wachenen and the well thing is very similar to the Old Frisian story of Redbad and Charlemagne where there is mention of a place called 'Wachense' and a well also appears.

  • @IAmTheOnlyLucas
    @IAmTheOnlyLucas Рік тому +1

    Thank u Prof. Hilbert.

  • @RyanPHill77
    @RyanPHill77 Рік тому

    Well done! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

  • @daviddickey9182
    @daviddickey9182 Рік тому +4

    With the similarity they share with the Frisians, I hope this means you will be making a video on pre-Christian Saxony and the Saxon Wars!

  • @tdcarl7X
    @tdcarl7X Рік тому +1

    I like how the wells are described very good summary.

  • @champagne.future5248
    @champagne.future5248 Рік тому +7

    What an articulate presenter. As good in real life as on UA-cam

  • @s.durbar1294
    @s.durbar1294 Рік тому +6

    Boniface brings Christian Message to Frisians
    Frisians: idk your god sounds lame bruh
    Boniface sees them respecting a holy tree more than his own God that he's trying to import
    Boniface doesn't want to seem like the runt in the pack of lackeys the Church unleashed into the world, needs a big, resonating gesture and quick.
    Boniface cuts their holy tree like "THAT will convert them"
    Boniface gets killed (Maybe for being an entitled idiot with no respect for other people that don't think the way he does, maybe not)
    CHRISTIAN CHURCH at the time: BONIFACE'S A SAINT, HE DID NO WRONG, LETS REMEMBER HIM FOREVER
    Propaganda has existed forever, don't you just LOVE IT

  • @chazsaw
    @chazsaw Рік тому +3

    I wonder if instead Redbad might be saying that if his ancestors were doomed to hell, and therefore ignominy, then Christianity should be rejected.

  • @Ambay
    @Ambay Рік тому +3

    Can't wait to see more!

    • @historywithhilbert146
      @historywithhilbert146  Рік тому +2

      Thanks Amba, I'll be uploading the other recorded lectures in the next weeks.

    • @Ambay
      @Ambay Рік тому +1

      @@historywithhilbert146 That's great, I'm looking forward to it.

  • @juliem2021
    @juliem2021 Рік тому +1

    Det bar utrolig bra!!!!! So good! I am American and here just for fun but my boyfriend is an archaeology student in Trondheim and I know he’d get 100% more out of it. It’s wonderful to learn more about European peoples that don’t have modern-day states
    Jeg var veldig imponert over forelesningen :))

  • @theotjeerd
    @theotjeerd Рік тому +2

    Indeed the christians made many more sacred “pegan” holy-sites theirs. Like places where holy-oaks stood and such. Only a few still exist today and a small group uses them for sacred rituals in secrecy.
    I’m a Dutch (Frisian by blood) and i see (and hear by intonation of todays language) many more other signs of christian usage of pegan-rituals and even symbols. (Even the “holy-cross has variations).
    I’am researching my heritage, the language and some of the symbols (all in connection with todays) myself for decades now.
    I will reveil all of this in a book someday with all references and footnotes for further research and/or for debunk some other theory’s.
    Hope you’ll read my book when it’s finished.
    With kind regards, Theo Tjeerd Ploegstra son of Harke, son of Simon, son of Harke, son of Symon, son of Harke Reinders, son of Reinder Harkes, son of Harke Reinders, son of Reinder Hobbes, son of Hobbe Reyns, son of Reijn Jans, and so on, and so on😅

  • @thesaints-7-andrew.
    @thesaints-7-andrew. Рік тому

    Watching from Greece.hi everybody.
    Great documentary.

  • @simonjonsson3654
    @simonjonsson3654 6 місяців тому

    The amount of surprising things in this presentation was more than I could count. Marks from birds on the bones? And the one eyed Jesus! I’m gonna watch this again.
    Hälsningar från Sverige!

  • @Powersnufkin
    @Powersnufkin Рік тому +2

    Fantastic presentation.

  • @Nozylatten
    @Nozylatten Рік тому +2

    Thankyou

  • @evastapaard2462
    @evastapaard2462 Рік тому +2

    bedankt!

  • @Vandelberger
    @Vandelberger Рік тому

    Wow, I’m amazed you didn’t do an earlier video on the subject. Shout out to my boy, Wodekind *sp

  • @faegirdariusson2151
    @faegirdariusson2151 Рік тому +3

    Great video, very nformative stuff!
    BTW Could ye drop a link to that map with toponyms and to that list of "Oliver von Rensvauder"? (I have no idea how to spell it that name, sorry)
    I would very much appreciate that.

  • @JimmyStiffFingers
    @JimmyStiffFingers Рік тому +4

    Cool, man! Heel erg leerzaam!

  • @FinlandS2
    @FinlandS2 Рік тому +1

    Kiitos:D from Finland

  • @Rymontp
    @Rymontp Рік тому +2

    39:50 maybe I misheard but I think you said Jemgum is in Westfriesland. I recently wrote a paper where I mentioned the canoe and Jemgum is in Ostfriesland (Germany) unless it's known differently abroad? Loving this presentation so far though!

  • @archaeorobbo
    @archaeorobbo Рік тому +2

    The golden axe story is interesting, as it may display a reflex to the divine twins who were axe-wielding warriors who would manifest to seafarers in need. Road of the Gods would imply a liminal passage to a celestial/ underworld realm and the twins were well known to enable passage to the divine realm as they traveled with the rising and setting sun. This is a brilliant talk btw
    Also, the axes heads of the divine twins likely symbolized the sun, especially as its golden

  • @Kuhmuhnistische_Partei
    @Kuhmuhnistische_Partei Рік тому +2

    Thank you. I was born in East Frisia - although it's of course not really culturally Frisian, like nobody actually speaks a Frisian language. But I'm very interested in the history of Frisia anyway.

  • @thedalailama
    @thedalailama Рік тому +2

    Hearing such perfect dutch pronunciation from a Geordie pleases me in such a niche way I'm at a loss for words

  • @bombermanguy8888
    @bombermanguy8888 Місяць тому

    My girlfriend is from West-Friesland (the region in North-Holland, not the province) and it has fascinated me that traces of Frisian can be found in the current traditional dialects of Holland and even that a Frisian language (now extinct South-Frisian) was spoken in North-Holland until the 17th century

  • @bosertheropode5443
    @bosertheropode5443 Рік тому +3

    You wouldn't happen to be interested in making a video about early slavic tribes? I myself am a descendant of the karantanians (slavs that came to modern day Austria in around the 6/7th century AD, before the bavarians! We are still here by the way, in southern Carinthia) and since my ancestors get fairly little attention I'd love such a video :)
    Thanks in advance/Hvala v naprej!

    • @ColoradoStreaming
      @ColoradoStreaming 2 місяці тому

      Slavic Affairs has some good videos on the origins of the Slavs. Some of early Slavic tribes were actually ruled by the Vikings during the Kievan Rus. That is interesting about the Karantanians, I will have to look them up more. Part of my family is from Bohemia from my Dad's side. Bohemians kicked some Holy Roman Empire ass during the Hussite rebellion.

  • @perhapsyes2493
    @perhapsyes2493 Рік тому +14

    On the place names: I've always felt that the name of Aalsmeer had a different meaning than the current idea. ("eel-lake"?)
    Using the definition at 32:31 of "Aal" / "Ealh", a possible interpretation would be Holy Lake? (Mere/Meer being the same word).
    It's also funny how many claim that even though we're pretty much on the border of South Holland, the Aalsmeer dialect is something more related to Frisian than the surrounding area. I doubt if that's true but I have to admit that true local elders are barely understandable to outsiders. And this is a little town in the middle of the modern Randstad.

    • @SNDKNG
      @SNDKNG Рік тому

      People have these very folksy ideas about language varieties being "related" to others. in truth, the only relations expressable are between speakers, not the groupings we put them into.

    • @-_pi_-
      @-_pi_- Рік тому

      @@SNDKNG This is simply untrue, languages can be and are often related through a common ancestor.

    • @SNDKNG
      @SNDKNG Рік тому

      @@-_pi_- Pure midwittery I'm afraid. Its an unearned extension of the hereditary metaphor. Orthodox, certainly, but mistaken nonetheless

    • @-_pi_-
      @-_pi_- Рік тому

      @@SNDKNG How so?

    • @demi3115
      @demi3115 Рік тому +1

      alle meren -> Almere ;]

  • @aldosigmann419
    @aldosigmann419 Рік тому +3

    Glad to see old Frisians versus new Frisians being examined...

  • @jeffgrove1389
    @jeffgrove1389 Рік тому +1

    Fascinating. A consideration for possible further discussion is that the Frisian might be the easternmost Doggerland refugees and connected to the pre-Celtic Briton populations. Possibly slightly removed from the early Neolithic farming movements from the east by the boggy nature of the countryside.

  • @samson136
    @samson136 Рік тому

    UiO students represent!!!

  • @gerritlageweg2055
    @gerritlageweg2055 Рік тому +1

    During the Merovingian era Frisia was at some point on friendly terms with the Merovingians. The Merovingian king Dagobert I had castles near Utrecht. And Frisian king Aldigisl had a friendly relationship with Dagobert II. Wilfrid from York spend a whole winter as guest of Aldigisl before traveling to meet Dagobert II. The Frisian where know as good traders with a whole network across the Frisian sea.

  • @tysonl.taylor-gerstner1558
    @tysonl.taylor-gerstner1558 Рік тому +1

    'voorzitter', literally 'foresitter', is the person who sits before, or who is foresitting (Ned. voorzittend - that/onewho sits before), as in the sense romance president(e) (Lat. praesidente), would seem to more of calque of the Latin prae praesessor/presessor. Modern Frisian is 'foarsitter'. Etymologies of place names are hard because these names change and evolve in a different manner from the functional vocabulary.

  • @mjodorczuk
    @mjodorczuk Рік тому +2

    Damn, I missed such a beautiful lecture... Unfortunately they did not inform us about it at NHA

    • @historywithhilbert146
      @historywithhilbert146  Рік тому +1

      We might be holding another conference in April or early May - we'll put posters up as advertisement again and I'll put a post up on UA-cam and on some of the other social media pages so keep an eye out on those :)

    • @mjodorczuk
      @mjodorczuk Рік тому +1

      @@historywithhilbert146 Where to look for the poster?

  • @HoH
    @HoH Рік тому +5

    Ik stjoerde dit nei myn Fryske skoanfamkes!

  • @jondoealoe
    @jondoealoe 9 місяців тому

    @47:14: That symbol that's talking about the language of birds has the Paleo-Hebrew letter Peh on the top of it. It's where our letter P comes from.
    The letter Peh is a picture of a mouth.
    That's also one of the 32 symbols that have been discovered in cave paintings on 6 continents, some of them date back to Neanderthals.
    Those are lips. You can't say P without your lips.
    It's a picture of bilabial phonetics, and you can buy a copy of the Torah with the same exact letter it it today.
    That letter has had the same meaning and pronunciation for a very long time.
    I think I remember 7 of the 32 symbols being identical to letters in the Paleo-Hebrew Torah, and 7 look close enough to be possible; and one of them looks like the modern Arabic letter for A.
    Cadmus brought us a 16 letter alphabet...
    I was able to spell Kubaba and Alla with the letters I recognize, but I don't know which one represents the H yet.

  • @MrThomasligthart
    @MrThomasligthart Рік тому +1

    Would love to see this done in Dutch, so I can share it with my family

  • @jensboettiger5286
    @jensboettiger5286 Рік тому +1

    The thing about springs is interesting because there are so many place names in Germany that reference natural speings.

    • @MrChristianDT
      @MrChristianDT Рік тому

      Doesn't England have a lot of mythology of certain spirits or monsters who protect such places? I wonder if that is an element of the sacred spring concept also?

  • @sahiblindberg
    @sahiblindberg 10 місяців тому

    This is pretty awesome but needed more Wilhelmus!

  • @professortiki
    @professortiki Рік тому +1

    In a flood a ship is a safe place to be, and a ship would be a nice and useful thing to have in an after-life.

  • @Brennbare
    @Brennbare Рік тому +3

    Je had het over twee anderen die een lezing gaven.
    Zijn die ook op beeld te zien ergens?

  • @MrEnaric
    @MrEnaric Рік тому +3

    To dive deeper in the archeology of the ancient (Iron Age) Frisians and their beliefs and rituals, there is an excellent paper by L.L. Therkorn: Landscaping the powers of Darkness and Light - 600 BC -350 AD. (2004) It features sacrificial deposits of (Proto) Frisian settlers in North Holland in a wider context. Certain sacrificisl pits full of objects apparently mimic constellations that were important for Iron Age of South and Western Europe and even in Viking Age Scandinavia.
    When it comes to toponym and prehistoric etymology, the village of Bakkum in the same province could very well be linked to the site of the sacred Baduhenna forest mentioned by Pliny. More places there seem to have prehistoric names (Koog aan de Zaan, Diemen etc) show continuity for at least two millennia if not longer.

    • @historywithhilbert146
      @historywithhilbert146  Рік тому +2

      Thanks for the tip - I'll take a look at that :)

    • @MrEnaric
      @MrEnaric Рік тому

      @@historywithhilbert146 Glad I could offer yóu something.

    • @MrEnaric
      @MrEnaric Рік тому +2

      @@historywithhilbert146I enjoyed your lecture Hilbert. There is so much going on and even touching the themes here could be elaborated on for hours. Interesting is your cooperation with other researchers you mentioned, maybe you could do a series on Pagan Frisian animism, ancestorworship and spirituality? There is precious little information and theorema on those topics. But it was there and more archeology points in that direction. (You undoubtedly read Annet Nieuwhof’s “Eight human skulls in a Dungheap - ritual practice in the Frisian Terp Region in the Northern Netherlands, 600BC-300 AD” (2014). )
      Maybe an interesting topic for future explorations: Frisian presence in Britain. Some of the earliest Frisian deities are mentioned on votive Stones found near Hadrian’s wall (e.g. Dea Friagabis) and the warband of a certain Hnaudfríd (numerus Hnaudifridi) in the third century. What about Frisian toponyms in Britain? Are they the real deal? Were Frisians the fitst germanic colonists before ‘Hengist and Horsa’? What actually do we know nowadays?
      Thanks for your excellent lecture, you have a fan here. Tige tank Hilbert.

  • @christeankapp6549
    @christeankapp6549 Рік тому +2

    Very nice serious presentation. I certainly understand there is only so much you can pack in an hour.m, but much can be added comparing religion with pre Christian Sachsen and Frank. Your point that corpses may have been dissected by birds is extremely interesting. The Parsis of India (and persia) is do the same u til today. Any connection?

    • @historywithhilbert146
      @historywithhilbert146  Рік тому +2

      Thanks Christean! Comparative approaches are very useful when we don't have too much to go on for the region, so that's definitely a field to explore for another time. In terms of the Indian connection, it's possible there are shared Indo-European concepts of what happens after death at play which inform the funerary rites, though as I mentioned in the lecture we find evidence of excarnation among a lot of historical and contemporary peoples across the world and there can be a multitude of factors involved in why people may choose to handle their dead in that way.

    • @christeankapp6549
      @christeankapp6549 Рік тому

      @@historywithhilbert146 no doubt true what you say Hilbert Native American Indians have a somewhat similar rite but nobody can maintain it is a related practice with a common Origin to the Frisians. The Zoroastrian fire practice might, perhaps maybe have that connection through its info Germanic roots. The neighboring Vedics were well know for their horse burials which have been found not just on the sub continent but also in most parts of Europe. So maybe……

  • @JordoniusOfFrisia
    @JordoniusOfFrisia 5 місяців тому

    the homeland of my surname. and ive never been anywhere near the netherlands.. but thats where my blood is traced to. so many questions.. interesting video, thanks.

  • @SideWalkAstronomyNetherlands
    @SideWalkAstronomyNetherlands 8 місяців тому

    No mention of the rune stick that was found?

  • @Larrypint
    @Larrypint Рік тому +1

    17:37 the literally translation to german is
    Glitzern heißt das Sold (Salary) (solidus= Goldmünze)
    Hat er goldene Stützen und Silbern flach ist's selbst
    Ein flackern Vorsitzender "byggvir" (servant of freyr) fast den ganzen tag schweben alle Sachen ( streitsachen).

  • @susanwestern6434
    @susanwestern6434 Рік тому

    Boniface comes from Crediton in Devon UK.

  • @TTaiiLs
    @TTaiiLs Рік тому +2

    You're living in Oslo? A suprise to be sure, but a pleasant one

  • @susiefairfield7218
    @susiefairfield7218 Рік тому

    Grateful for finding this... 100% Dutch from Gos... and Frisianon both sides of My family..last name(maiden) means farmer

  • @skyl4rk
    @skyl4rk Рік тому

    What is the time period of Saxon migration to Britain, compared to Saxon migration to Frisian? I am trying to understand the close relationship between Frisian and Old English language.

  • @sirrathersplendid4825
    @sirrathersplendid4825 Рік тому +2

    Just looked up the etymology of the Swedish word “Fan”, which means “damn”, or rather “devil” used as an expletive. It originally meant “temple”, from which the word “fanatic”, and the hence the modern English “fan” as in football supporter.

    • @MrChristianDT
      @MrChristianDT Рік тому +1

      Bringing up fane also brings to mind the word profane.

    • @sirrathersplendid4825
      @sirrathersplendid4825 Рік тому

      @@MrChristianDT - The “a” in profane is short unlike in “Fan” or “vana”. But yes, interesting.

    • @trevorfuller1078
      @trevorfuller1078 Рік тому +2

      Profane = Latin meaning pro before or in front of + fanum denoting a temple, shrine or place of worship. 1. Thus, this is then generally used in modern parlance to describe conduct, language or characteristics of persons of somehow perceived lower social status, or who comport themselves in vulgar & unbecoming ways &/or such of the aforementioned. 2. Language or utterances that are not to be used or spoken disrespectfully either within the sacred, hallowed & revered confines of the temple or under its auspices, or at any similar shrine or other holy place of worship, or elsewhere that alludes in reference to vulgar, rude, base, or insulting language, lest it offends the deity or deities concerned, or else acts as an affront to current social or religious sensitivities in some way.
      Interestingly, as an offshoot application of this word & its semantic implications, the Freemasons always refer to or term collectively, non-masons or not yet initiated Freemasons, as “the Profane,” implying those who are not privy to or still not initiated, nor have been as yet, according to the Masonic Rites, ‘fully-enlightened’ towards receiving or taking all their conferred secluded & esoteric oaths, rituals or customs etc. Hence, to the Masonic Brotherhood, they (The Profane, i.e. non-masons or outsiders) are both literally & figuratively standing outside the temple & are thus regarded as “outsiders” in those cases, to the Masonic one (Temple) that is being referred to here, of course!!

    • @simontenkate9601
      @simontenkate9601 Рік тому +1

      Javisst, fy fan!

  • @Larrypint
    @Larrypint Рік тому

    17:37 the literally translation to german could be
    Glitzern heißt das Sold (Salary).
    Hat er goldene Stützen und Silbern flach ist's selbst
    Ein flackern Vorsitzender "byggvir" (servant of freyr) fast den ganzen tag schweben alle Sachen ( streitsachen).

  • @hannahkroger6067
    @hannahkroger6067 Рік тому

    @Hilbert, I have a question. Around 36 minutes you talk about the confusion of people being buried wir objects that don't seem to match their gender. You speculate that these objects could have a religious meaning. I am not a historian, but I have noticed that in many societies, when closely examined, we have recwntly found that gender roles are a lot less strict than in the recent 1-2 centuries. Is it possible that women were also at times doing men's jobs and vice versa? I have recently learned in an Austrian podcast that in Iceland women were respected fishermen, along with the men in their community. Happy to send you the link, if you understand some German.

  • @user-ul7pd7vf1l
    @user-ul7pd7vf1l Рік тому

    hello.,what is your opinion about the Oera Linda book

    • @historywithhilbert146
      @historywithhilbert146  Рік тому +4

      An interesting document but ultimately a hoax that has no value outside of a good read and a glimpse into the world of Frisian occultism in the nineteenth century.

  • @jondoealoe
    @jondoealoe 9 місяців тому +1

    Halogia was a Druid name for God.
    Heligola-nd looks like the same name to me.
    Logos is related to logia/logYAH, logic and logs.
    Druids used to carve prayers into logs and burn them as offerings to Halogia.
    Halogia had two daughters, named Ash and Ember.
    I wouldn't expect a temple of Heligoland to have walls or a roof.

  • @Larrypint
    @Larrypint Рік тому +2

    16:40 Heligoland is literally heiligland = holly Land. Documented since the 8th century

  • @edwardhaglin2322
    @edwardhaglin2322 Рік тому +2

    Kashmiri story of Isa the middle eastern holy man who survived a crucifixion and returned to Kashmir where he had been trained .had 72 grandchildren.isa Asir Jason eisa Isiah jessu seem related

  • @Larrypint
    @Larrypint Рік тому +1

    48:10 that's really interesting and yes it's odin/wotan