Will America Unite Again? | Matt Taibbi
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
- Journalist Matt Taibbi discusses the polarisation and division within the USA between red and blue states.
Formerly a professional athlete and private investigator, Matt Taibbi has a formidable journalistic record. He has worked as a freelance reporter in the Soviet Union, a sports reporter for The Moscow Times, and, more recently, as a contributing editor for Rolling Stone Magazine. He has risen to particular fame through his role in The Twitter Files, an investigation into links between government agencies and censorship on Twitter.
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Damage is irreparable. Split is too extensive. Mutual hatred.
SO BE IT, I AM READY.
To call this "country" the United States of America is a joke. The answer is no, we will never be united again. Watch what happens in the 2024 presidential election, which ever side loses will not recognize the winner as a legitimate president. Hillary called Trump an illegitimate president and Trump calls Biden an illegitimate president, this time political violence on an unprecedented scale will follow the election.
Australia is going the same way, the divide between rural and urban people is getting greater every day and the divide between the university educated who see themselves as born to lead and every day Australians who have bills to pay and actually produce things is enormous.
It is as though the city people have no idea where their food and wealth comes from and are perfectly willing to sacrifice both for their green dream. If this was effecting only them it would be perfectly acceptable, unfortunately that is not the case.
Don't stereotype university educated people, we're not all effete lefty idiots living in an ivory tower
Every single country.
South Korea looks all one colour, except a few dots a different colour (that happen to be the 4 main population centres. And those happen to be the ones who run the country...
Bring in Islam. They will fix Australia and the West .😂😂
Not “born to lead”……born to “rule”……folks don’t understand the difference between a leader and a ruler.
It’s who is living off the government vs who isn’t.
Yep, I know people that are full-coverage welfare recipients who live very well on the system.
Lose your job, then get a doctor to sign you off as full medical disability, then get a psychologist to sign you off and mentally off and you are set for life to live a lower middle-class status on everyone else backs.
@@illbeyourmonster5752 Every large corporation has their head deep in the government cash trough..
@@amracewayNonsense. Some certainly are, not all.
@@MM-mo2yc It would be hard to name one corporation that has not benefited hugely from government contracts or laws in their favour. Who got the most money from Covid?
@@amracewayBecause you probably can’t. Yes, some corporations live off government handouts, most just try to stay in business.
The Beast MUST eat itself.
To the monsters we’re the monsters…
@@earlsimon8474 You watch too much TV
We might be able to peacefully co-exist, but we will never, ever come together. Those days are long gone.
We cannot even peacefully coexist. The left has literally murdered Trump supporters and cheered about it. The left is trying to jail the former President over a non-crime. They want to do the same to all of us. We cannot share a country with these Bolsheviks.
Yep. I hate going to the city.
I hate rural areas. Rednecks
I love cities, for a time. I love the country, for a time. I need both on a regular basis.
Being stuck in either would induce auto delete. Or maybe just being stuck anywhere...
What I've noticed with my friend group is that conservatives are able to mix freely but the liberals are completely intolerant of different views.
Yep. I see that too. The rational majority can be out anywhere and talk with anyone about anything.
The left. Say the narrative or say nothing.
That's communism for you
pretty much anyone who isnt a woke leftists can at least get along with anyone - the woke left are totally intolerant of anyone who isnt like them
@@Blackjack701AD
Speak about nothing.
Say the narative.
Get censored.
That's their options and they like it that way.
Typical lying Repunklican
Time for a National Divorce. We don't agree on the most fundamental of issues, e.g. how many genders there are or should a nation have a border, for example? The Red and Blue states need to peacefully go their own separate ways and each can live according to their own principles. Perhaps, a European Union of some sort. Anything is better than the division and stalemate we have now or, worse, a Civil War.
I’m a Trump supporter who lives in a Blue state. How does that work for me. Are you just sacrificing me and my family and leaving me behind enemy lines so to speak?
Definitely Not a European Union. Europe messed Up Too
@@chiefline7084 move or advocate your county to secede
@@chiefline7084 I'm in the same situation, it's called being a refugee. The governor shut down this state two years over COVID, The people supported her. ANITFA and BLM had giant riots, the people supported her. Palestinian supporting college students shut down and protested at many universities, the people support that. Do NOT fight the government in a civil war. Move.
Sometimes we foeget that as adults we set the example for the new generation. When i grew up it was valued to have civil discourse and find common ground. That is the example given to my generation (at least were im from).
Not if social media remains the pervasive force it is with unfettered access by bad actors from other countries.
who needs foreign actors with the likes of facebook, microsoft, and google around?
Who needs enemies like Putin when we have a "friend" in Mexico? A "friend" who allows criminal organizations to rule with violence inside their own borders.
Name one way foreign bad actors on social media have affected your life.
@@68BigSherm i get rankled every time i think about sasha baren cohen (a british/israeli dual citizen) lecturing the united states about how dangerous the first amendment is, while he owes his entire career to it.
The aristocracy was decimated during the French revolution. The liberals had to leave the country after Weimar. History rhymes.
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It’s worse than that. The smarty pants urban people have treated those who don’t agree with them long enough and hard enough that should there be a serious disruption, the special neighborhoods will no longer be comfortable places.
I’m being polite. Do you know how horrible they have to be to swing regular Americans into that frame of mind?
CW2 will be fought street by street, neighbor against neighbor in a Purge movie type of way. We Americans don't want to accept it, that it'll be messy with no clearly defined borders like in CW1.
Huge respect to you, John Anderson....a former politician from the "conservative" side of politics (whatever that means these days) for interviewing Matt Taibbi. In a bygone era, he was a darling of the "progressive" (whatever that means these days) left. They wouldn't touch him with a barge pole these days, as it now seems the more open-minded individuals reside on your side of the fence. Well done.
“Govern as we see fit.” It’s not a good strategy. They need to go back to understanding they are supposed to be representing the people of the country. They are not our leaders!
I love my country. I have family everywhere. There is certainly a divide. We have neglected our rural areas badly. We abandoned our farmers. We ignore their voices. Fentanyl is destroying so much. We need to come back together now.
Too late. A separation would be advisable then Blue North seeks Union with Canada
Yes, Obama listened and then insulted them by calling them "bitter clingers" (which Hillary doubled down by calling them a "basket of deplorables.")
They are. They spoke truth
basket of deplorables is the worst insult that i have ever heard! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Exactly my thoughts. Obama absolutely was not the Great Uniter.
Its not states. It is city dwellers vs everyone else. Even in red states there are a bunch of blue cities.
Pennsylvania is that way.
There are similar signs within the EU and the UK. Unions are inherently fragile. Without some form of common identity and purpose, sooner of later, they break up or dissolve. The same is true of empires.
Gerrymandering prevents many from having their votes matter. Families are divided, not just states.
Too right! You beat me to the punch with the gerrymandering comment. Both sides do it, I know. But Republicans like judicial appointments, do it better.
yup this goes down to blood lines and blood ties. sons and daughters against each other, wives and husbands against each other, etc. a complete divided nation. and the deniers are the worse.
@@Healingharp88 Dems are just as guilty
The loudest voices on the left and the right don't reach out to each. It's the loudest voices that claim most of the media time--often not for good reasons either. Let's focus on areas of agreement first when possible and compromise when possible. Our systems of checks and balances require that.
Its not really states where the divide resides. It rural vs urban. Cities are filled cease pools. But they have a lot of votes.
I think you’re right but I would add that the movies from the 1930. -60s the dialogue had common sense intelligence fairness respect of country and Christian values!
Thanks for the insight, Baby Face Matt
Love Matt.
People in cities are communist in the basic sense of the word, people in the countryside take care of business themselves and not relying on gov't or assets owned by others. This is the main reason Austrial has its awful problems, most of the population lives in cities.
Forced collectivism is as different to voluntary cooperation as slavery is to freedom.
Thumbnail of Blue/Red state map is old or incorrect for current polling.
Calm down, it's a representation, Sparky.
Yeah but the current polling pretty clearly is only showing dissatisfaction with Biden, especially in Pennsylvania Wisconsin and Michigan, I don't think especially Wisconsin or Michigan is in play. The border will probably let Trump flip Georgia and Arizona, but unless Nebraska changes that single electoral college option he still unfortunately must win one of those three northern states and that's going to be a tough tough battle. I think the courts in Pennsylvania will keep easy access for the Democrats to win, I think the progressive Middle Eastern anger vote will come home and deliver Michigan to Biden, in Wisconsin has been pushing left for years in their elections so I don't think he's going to win that either. Republicans are way too confident and seem to look at these poles as anything important when really if you look at the electoral map Trump has an extremely narrow path. If Nebraska changes that rule and allows that single electoral vote to go red, Trump can easily get to a tie which then he would win the election through the state election in such a scenario. It's his best course and last month the Nebraska Republicans refused to take up that option, so that's the thing to watch Easily as much as polls
Americans needs to unite along class lines. Populist movements have been on the rise in both the left and the right for the last 15 years. It would be in working class people's best interests to come together over some common economic goals.
The problem is that the Powers That Be (Wall Street, Deep State, etc) know that they can shatter any alliance of the working class by invoking race, religion, LGBT, etc. I doubt that the 1st bipartisan populist meeting would end w/o a fist fight.
It is a very very sad state we have come to.
No it's not, it's entirely inevitable - just like the rich/poor divide in the economy.
@@paulmarshall9189 It is not.
@@scillyautomatic Yes it is, and the misconception that it's not is really causing a lot of unnecessary pain and suffering for many people who would be much, much better off if they understood the situation in proper perspective.
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It is a very very sad state we have come to.
@@scillyautomatic It's a wonderful, beautiful thing to see people stand up in support of their country and constitution, especially young people and those from previously disenfranchised backgrounds.
The dangerous time is when these two factions in our Republic reach the point they simply don't like each other anymore and stop looking at each other as citizens of the same Republic!!!! At that junction we will see an "enemy."
Unfortunately, the US we grew up in officially died last week and I don’t see us reuniting. The free world died and the US is officially a communist country now. The flames of justice just blew up and the fire is now out of control. When I travel abroad, some people have asked if I am from the states. That is the new term, the states of America.
We have drastically different beliefs that either side will never accept. I admit, I will never accept the extreme gender nonsense, sexualizing other people’s kids, prioritizing funding illegals over Americans, flying and/or replacing another country’s flag on US soil and the people who are pushing marxism, communism and socialism, destroy the constitution and Supreme Court.
Also, look at how one party wants dominance and control over everything and have temper tantrums when don’t get what they want like a court ruling, so they ignore it or attack that institution or persons involved but when conservatives don’t like what they do or a ruling, Dems want them to shut up about it. That is not good for this country.
I took my kids to see DC in 2014. We had a nice time and the people were pleasant and accommodating to tourists but I could feel the derision and patronizing attitude coming through from Washingtonians toward us outsiders coming to visit the “people’s” capital. This was before 2016 when it became patently obvious and out in the open how much they hated and dismissed people like us.
not for a while.....this thing still hasn't bottomed out.
3LA/MIC: Divide & Conquer
Disease spreads rapidly in high density populations, and city dwellers have little understanding of nature.
Bulkanisation is just common sense at this stage. In group preference is completely normal. Race ect, differences are real.
The individualistic and non-tribal supercycle is coming to an end. We’re living in the consequences of the extremes of that type of thinking.
Yeah that wouldn't lead to war at all
@@Mr_Fairdalemay the strongest group win!
Definitely not healing the divide now.
Rather the same in the UK!
Divided was the goal of the KGB and installed at our universities. It’s something that they have openly talked about and the agents who turned after the fall of the USSR spoke openly about it in the 80s and 90s. We will always have differences in our politics, whether it’s blue vs red or inner party differences. Let’s not forget about Trump being ostracized by the Republican establishment in 2015-16. Division will only destroy our quality of life and our country. Finding common ground and bringing solutions will bring us together.
look at it county by county and you will see a lot more red than blue.
Not anytime soon I’m afraid
Unless I misunderstand the meaning of a fact; then two people cannot claim to exist with a different fact from an established truth. Unless one is delusional.
What about our country australia can you do some more voicing
The rich vs the poor ....the old vs the young...have vs have nots....
Govern as they see fit, strategy for war. What the Brits decided in 1776.
One of these days, Mother Nature will spit us all out, and will rebuild her planet. All chapters end , the human chapter will end here on earth too, to bad we are rushing it and destroying the gift of our beautiful blue, green planet because of greed and ego.
We can solve this if we get rid of the 19th Amendment.
I came here to comment the electoral map in the thumbnail is like 20 years old? Florida and Ohio as swing states?
make America PURPLE again.
If I wore that shirt, all my liberal friends would be so "triggered"
People wildly underestimate the differences between small town and urban America. Which I hate. It didn't used to be like this. But America is heading in the direction of Russia--Moscow and St Petersburg being the center of everything, the rest of the country vast, provincial hinterlands.
The people of the US are ignorant of their own history. They are taught a mythology in their schools, and their families belong to various factions by geography, social class, religion, and ethnicity. They are lied to by mainstream media and easily swayed by demagogues. They have a federal government that has been captured by corporate and other wealthy oligarchs. Their elections offer little choice on major issues, such as war and peace, taxation and budgeting. They live in economic peril between unemployment and inflation. They are burdened by historically unprecedented public debt and their currency is in decline. They are threatened by nuclear war and climate catastrophe as a result of their governments' irresponsibility.
Our founders created a nation that would let the states primarily govern themselves. The national government had specific tasks and left the rest to the states
And it worked
Not perfectly of course
But 13 to 39 to 50 states
What a great experiment something that works you emulate something that doesn’t you avoid
Alas with success comes a certain breed of person
Hey I’m really better than you and I and like minded people should be in charge
So starting with Teddy Roosevelt we had presidents and their parties expand the federal government to the point it’s a leviathan
A huge cannon shooting our nations treasury into the maw of whatever donor or special interest
Just depends which party is controlling the cannon
Our 50 states are just names now
A third worship the altar of big daddy government
A third want to go back to federalism
And a third don’t care and just want to be left alone
Since we are at the point where the democrats openly use mob violence, Lawfare, rigging elections to keep power
I’m afraid the future is bleak
The votes of people who live in cities should be worth 1/3. They don't produce anything that people need to survive - including themselves - and their opinions mean much less.
Hence why the Electoral College is so important for those of us who live away from the cities. Our Founding Fathers were brilliant men, they had foreseen this battle between big and small populations.
Good luck with that-it's way too logical and politically incorrect.
Wasn’t this political divide done on purpose? All over the world we have the same…
Absolutely not.
NO
I'd rather we be at peace, but that means not fighting over one polity. #NationalDivorceNow
Populism is the real democracy.. The will of the people
The problem is that we have too many people riding in the wagon and not enough people pulling it. This may correct itself since the government is as close to bankrupt as a government can be. When the benefits dry up and everyone has to shift for himself, you will see culture re-aligning.
Too many administrators for the amount of productgives us a paper tiger economy and the globalists have many flaming arrows.
I’ve seen the enemy and they are us…
Never
Cities need more government to function: roads, waterworks, police, firefighters, schools, mass transit.
WHAT?! 😂 omfg... that is such a ignorant staement
Trump-Tulsi 2024
Game Over
Yes. We will unite for Trump!
HOPEFULLY NOT! #secession is NECESSARY
No.
FJB
No👈
I like Matt I would have a jam session with him 😊
I am a liberal farmer who is pro abortion and pro gun. I feel that if everyone left the guns and abortions alone we would be fine. Also the pushing trans people hasn't really helped. I've told my more liberal friends that this would be the downfall of the liberal cause because conservatives aren't ready for that yet.
Voting Democrat is voting to put America last.
@@rickw3243 Voting Republican is voting to give the wealthy tax cuts they don't need and run up the deficit. Also if Trump wins there is a good chance we become a dictatorship if he gets both houses
Yet? Conservitives will never think mutilation of a child's genitalia is warranted. Real cases of body dysmorphia are very rare in our population. Mental illness however is becoming more prevalent.
@@Gww-1 It is increasing difficult to separate mental illness from Democrat policies.
@@Gww-1 What a conservative is would change over time. It's not like we burn witches at the stake anymore.
Not anytime soon. parents have raised their children these days to hate America and they don't even know our history or about America when asked questions on College Campus...
Not all parents of course but when we were raised we loved our country, the pledge of allegiance and national anthem, we were taught to respect our country and our laws...
Hope America will not unite because as we’re told there’s strength to be gained from unity and America is strong enough thank you very much.
Unite again like in the 1860's?
IN GOD WE TRUST. We know the truth. Good and evil.
Yeah I’m a college educated plus cosmopolitan old guy, the son of an FDR liberal, but I’m also a deplorable precisely because I am not a racist, not fragile, and not fooled in any way by cultural Marxism.
Until the truth about Zionism became so apparent, I didn't think anything could unite left and right
No, the struggle is between J-s who want total power and traditional Americans who want democracy.
Really? The "J"s have total power? Then why are the liberal media and all of the universities parroting Hamas slogans and propaganda?
Seriously ? You bring this socialist on? Shame.
With Obama you felt mutual respect. When disagreeing with you makes me deplorable, what’s left to discuss?
The thing is, he was just as dismissive of conservatives as Hillary. Remember the "They cling to their God and guns" comment? Obama was just more suave so no one cared.
Of all people you invite to discuss this topic with you get.... Matt Taibi?
He's a full of sheeut lightweight
What wrong did he say here?
Our history indicates that we tend to unite when we have to face a crisis. And, unfortunately, those crises seem to be wars. However, we face a climate crisis that is just as great as any war and if this crisis could somehow be recognized for the urgency that it requires there is a glimmer of hope that we may unite, yet again, and save our planet and humanity itself. But we are running out of time and we continue to let those who have the most major role in the crisis, the oil companies, continue to divide us for their greedy monetary gains.
There is no climate crisis.
@@JohnB-nq4js Thank You !!
The climate crisis will never unite us like a war. Why? a)Because the elites who tell us that this is the end of the world haven't altered their lifestyles in the slightest, and b) because while this is portrayed as a global problem, the world's largest polluter (China) is held to no standards.
Sorry, but my ability to feed my kids tonight will always take precedent over whether my great grandkids will inhabit Miami in 2150.
Yes into 1 communist party
The problem is that you can’t talk or reason withMagas. I’ve tried and all I get is insults.
Unpleasant.
Only under President Trump.
the great divider Trump
@@Just_Call_Me_Frank he knew that division was the only way he could win. He never cared about anything but himself but he knew enough on how to inflate his own ego. .. basically he knew how to divide .. one of the reasons that I don't think he is Freddy's son
Being pro America is soooo controversial and dividing. How dare Trump apply common sense to the presidency and how dare Trump not take a salary as president.
/sarcasm off
@GeorgeOrwell-yz6zx that would be assuming that Trump is pro America .. when I've already commented on this is not anything but pro Trump .. he doesn't really care about America or Americans
He made his case for his supporters and he won. Theres little more to it than that.
This congealing of political parties into a center left position provides nothing to choose between.
@@jumblestiltskin1365 won? nice try
AMERICA HAS FALLIN MY PREDICTIONS HAVE COME TRUE
It fell in 1865.
Tim Pool?
Never