Is U-He Diva better than XFER Serum?
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- Опубліковано 10 кві 2020
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Amazing work on getting so close with the programming on the 2 synths.
Reason I bought Diva is because the actual GUI is similar to what you'd find on authentic retro analog synths, that why it is set out a certain way. If you are willing to learn, it's a good avenue for getting used to a physical interface. It definitely has a different sound to Serum, fundamentally because of its detuned voices which mimic the imperfections of analog gear.
That being said, I have used Serum for a few years while learning about this stuff, and in terms of ease of use and LFO control, it has much more technical precision than the Diva, but it does also have that instantly identifiable 'Serum sound'.
Diva - much prefer the sound (taste)
Serum - crazy capability, perfect for sound design
Very creative/interactive video that pushes you to actually use your unbiased judgement! I have Diva and based on my selections it seemed like I should stick to it! Thanks Yalcin!
In my eyes, Diva and Serum are not really comparable synths because they function differently. Diva is created to sound & behave like vintage analog synthesizers. Serum is more of a sound design synth, because you can modulate a lot of stuff and it can read wavetables, do some FM, sync in a very simple way etc. I would not buy Diva unless you have an interest in vintage analog synthesizers. Serum is the better option if you just want a synth with a wide sound palette. I have both of them but I rarely use Serum, but that's mainly because I like vintage analog synthesizers a lot so Diva is more interesting for me to play around with.
Exactly. From developers perspective I can tell they both have written in C++ but Serum is written in Juce framework . Diva has been created by own framework of Uhe.
So technically they obviously very different and unique. So is Diva better than Serum is not meaningful.
If anyone really wants to compare do with VITAL vs Serum.
@@tania2654 lol you're a noob, serum is not written in Juce
@@tania2654 I appreciate the info (assuming it checks out), but it's not relevant to the question. They could both be written in C++ (or Juce) and sound exactly the same, or they could sound completely different, depending on which algorithms they implement and how.
I love the templates in diva to start a sound all the classic synths ms20 monopoly all the jonos and Jupiter's and the semi modular side so you mix and match various Moog filters with a monopoly oscillator there modulation a plenty yes it's different but you have a huge scope to design sounds
Really like the explanation! I got serum and it’s great for like basses and EDM stuff but I’d rather use something like this for clean pads and soft melodies
Thank you, that was actually really helpful, especially for exposing the subtle differences between the 2. I ended up mostly picking Diva, which I am glad to know about. Thank you
I just bought Pigments 2 based on your recommendation, I’ve been playing around and it’s sounds amazing. Hope you can make more tutorials about it .
nice new scenography mate! Barcelona was my final choice (Serum) Take Care!
Barcelona - Coca Cola - Beer !!! As for Diva or Serum; get both !!!
Still feel Barca? 😉
Real Madrid - Coca Cola - Wine. Ah, also: Serum ❤
Diva is one of the best (maybe the best) vst out there...
I love your approach to review. Great video. I'm blind. Which one, according to you or other users, is the easiest to use using only the faders for each parameter. Thanks!
I think Serum is good for designing your own sound and easy to work through but the presets on Diva are great. Pros to both synths
Thanks Yalsin,
This was truly helpfull
Turns out that I prefer Diva. I’ve been testing Pigments 2, Massive X and a Largo. I think I prefer Massive X and Largo but it’s kind of impossible. They are too varied/complicated to compare back to back, and too hard to program (for me) to give a valid comparison. In other words, they all work and sound great.
I bought Diva last week and it was a brilliant decision as I almost bought a JP 8000 instead. I also bought Adam Szabo's JP6K and lone behold i layered Diva's digital Oscillator with JP6K and I prob got as close as you can get to a JP 8000. The filter and high end of JP6K with the thickness and warmth of Diva sounds amazing. Also use Diva in "draft" mode as it sounds the most like the JP 8000. Together I call it the JP 9000 😆
I like the video editing. I don't think you need it but it keeps me interested.
Hiya, just a quick one on your fresh vid :) i see you're using a vocoder on hight drums, whats a good alternative plug in effect if we don't have that? Many thnx and live your videos, I've improved 💯
omg I literally asked Reddit this question 5 days ago and bought Serum before yesterday
Just out of curiosity, which wavetables did you use for the Serum sounds? Were they just the stock wavetables or were they wavetables of classic analog synths? I've heard Serum sound very "analog" but only when using custom wavetables.
You sounded pissed off at the start, but in a nice way haha! I came to this crossroad about a month ago for which one to buy & then you released the preset pack for Diva. So that was the winner for me! Unbelievable sounds from the presets & it saves you time in having to learn the ins and outs of a synth when you have a pack like that. tweak them to your own taste and get productive!!
If the sounds can get so close, I would probably choose because of the UI...
I was just asking myself this exact same question earlier today, cause since I found your tutorials on diva, I barely touch Serum, even knowing about the felixibility of Serum, Diva is more intuitive for me and I feel the sound "smoother", anyway, thx for sharing!
And play with those templates
Hi, this is a good comparision. Have you used external fx?
I slept on Diva for 10-years, but recently picked it up. It's all I use now. Totally underrated.
Or, and Pepsi.
Nice Alice! great to hear a blind test. Prejudices are very difficult to avoid. I Liked both, many times I went to Diva, but some parts were better on Serum. Different synths. Both huge synths.
They sound exactly the same. The question is which one has better presets, which one is easier to undrstand, use and learn
GET BOTH !
The answer for me is to buy both - Diva (and Repro) are amazing for warm analogue sounds but you can't beat Serum for crazy wavetable madness. The mass of wavetables in Serum and being able to load your own into Serum easily gives that more flexibility.
For the price, you can also buy 1 or 2 hardware synthesizers. You could buy these and save money. ua-cam.com/video/XahJ_u1RwkQ/v-deo.html
@@brianlespoir6287 You cant run 10 instances of a hardware synthesiser at the same time so it's a moot point, plus recording them in audio takes a long time and effort as well, plus the TD-3 doesnt respond to CC messages for the cutoff and stuff either so you have to record it all in realtime which makes it very limited as well.
I have TD-3 and a Subsequent 37 (and have owned two Viruses, a Supernova and other hardware) but I still use plenty of soft synths. Plus you wont get a decent polyphonic hardware synth for the price of either of Diva or Serum either.
Yes you are right and It's a lot of work. It's not for everyone. I do like it, it's part of my workflow. I use up to 12 synths and drum machines at ones. I create tracks, running Cubase midi in 30 to 60 min. Then I record a live freestyle set. When I'm ready recording I edit and mix the track. Most of my tracks are done in like 2 to 3 hrs. For me It's just about the moment and to experience a new track.
@@brianlespoir6287 for the price of Serum you can't buy even 1/5 of a comparable hardware synth (Virus TI).
How do you stay focused like that? You cant have more without having less
I bought Diva today at 50%. Off going on! Supremely happy with it. Next I will buy SERUM. 🎉
Wow I dont own any of the two but I'm 100% on which is which:)) and I'm going with serum if I have the cance..
Moog Sun 37 v Diva would be a really cool video!
im still wondering which one is better to make ACID synths?
I learned serum and diva confunses me a lot
I have seen you using the Arturo's pigments one now, which is best? Diva or Arturia.
Pigments
Just chose depending on your taste in music. If you like old synths and 80's retro music and sounds then maybe diva is for you.
I really like sound 5 for Serum. How do I get it or make it?
You dodged a big bullet with that madrid/ barcelona question🤣🤣
Love Ridicules Test!!
What is everyones opinion on Omnisphere? Would it serve as a worthy replacement for these two? I am interested in learning analog synthesis eventually, so the diva is enticing. But Im more focused at learning something that I can hit the ground running with in terms of production.
Omnisphere is a beast and very cool sounding. You can use your own samples in it so not a typical pure synth, kind of hybrid between sampler and synth. But very flexible and sound awesome!
@@mistral-unizion-music It's the spiritual sucessor of synths like the Roland D50 which is still unique to this day.
god this video made me laugh. haha. i love your content and your an amazing teacher.
Why choose if you can get both? It’s all about personal preference and making your own sounds/style. Got both and use both. Also have generate/Pendulate, roland cloud, spitfire labs and arturia CMI. All are used and all serve me well.
What did he say about Stephan Bodzin? I don’t understand.
More important to compare the user interfaces
My biggest complaint here is the way you soloed back and forth. For things like 11 vs 12, we never got to hear 11 in the first half or 12 in the second so I couldn't tell how much of the different sounds came from the instruments vs added notes. Would've been perfect if it played the identical part back to back to really hear the differences vs having to make assumptions on whats the instrument and whats the notes
Lol so much at the edit haha, I agree no better than other, just different taste same with most of these things as most people think what is best, I need best lol
Diva, vs legend vs moog 37 would be awesome!
All of these sounds are using basic subtractive synthesis. So if that's your thing go with Diva. Serum is a wavetable synth, so I'd normally reach for it when I want to make wavetabley sounds. I don't know who's asking you which of these two synths are better, but just the question by itself makes me think the person who's asking it probably isn't paying very close attention.
In my opinion, Vital is as good as serum, Diva is unique in his type, so I'm going for Diva
I was able to guess pretty accurately when I asked myself which one sounds like Flume. I don’t even know how much he used serum but basically the more electronic sounding one
Nice background in the beginnig looks good (:
Are u gonna try a hardware synth in your new studio ? (Maybe a microfreak to beginn with or minilogue)
Totally agree. Pick one and move on especially if you're a beginner. I like the sound of Diva but the visual feedback from Serum is super useful if you're just starting out....but I prefer the sound and filters analogue stuff...... So I use Pigments 2, best of both 😁
diva have a nice quality sound, but when you wanna produce your sound from cero, serum its kind of easy , diva for me ita dificult.... generally i use the presets of diva and then i touch them, but to produce a sound in particular serum its very corfontable
alik b I 100% agree with you.
plus Pigment 2 have a powerfull sampler, very usefull for hybrid sounds ;)
Same. Plus Pigments interface is on a next level.
@@doinmusic you mean its easy to understand like serum?
if you would rather get some analog synths like a moog, get diva, if you want modern crisp airy sounds get serum
Precisely. That's why I chose Serum and I am loving it.
Pigments and uhe repro 5 and at minimum one analog
Wine, for sure! Yeah, and Vacuum pro for analog feel. (Hopefully I'm the only one using it 😉)
Vacuum pro sounds great, it's a steal for it's price.
Can you tell me the stimming chords please
1- brass sounds - dont care, both are good
2- brass sounds more fx - dont care, both are good
3 - like the second more
4- like the second more (13)
5- like 7 more
6- 11 and 12 are really nice
7-
And what about pigments2?
Pigments and Phase Plant are my go to synths ... must try
I choose both
As I suspected, they sound almost identical in this comparison video. I'm probably going to buy Diva today because there is an particular soundbank for it that I love but that doesn't exist in Serum format. There are other banks that are available for Serum, but not Diva. They could no doubt be "converted" manually by a programmer, but that takes time and effort. For daily use people should choose based on their personal needs: e.g. If they plan to do sound design, which features and GUI would they prefer? If they just want to use presets, which synth offers the best selection at the right price. Both synths are so superb that any musician should be happy with either. It's like comparing Ferraris and Porsches or Lamborghinis; a matter of personal taste, like you said. They all get you from A to B very quickly and can all reach the same destination. You just have to choose the route.
So the answer I heard is to pick Pigments.
I have both of them but usually im using diva
aykut Erdem same here
I totally agree with below comments, Serum for beginners without a doubt. Diva can be overwhelming for beginners, that’s my personal opinion and experience. Start with Serum and learn Diva down the lane.
Serum for beginners !? that's a big false statement, as it's one of the best synths to make very complex modulation routings. Diva just can't follow this path. You can do in Serum anything you do in Diva, but can't do in Diva a lot of things Serum can.
Rman I didn’t mean to say that Serum is “only” for beginners. I meant Serum is the best one to “start” learning for sound design. I absolutely agree with you, it’s a powerhouse of a synth.
I have both, but Diva is so much more complicated. I wish U-he had a class for Diva. And after I heard you using Pigments I want that too, lol. I was very surprised how close each set of sounds was. Great job emulating an analog sound with Serum.
Using diva is alot like using a hardware synth. If you dont have a hard synth, I recommend watching musictechhelpguy's es2 tutorial to learn the basic of synthesis. It's really just a matter of learning about oscillators, mod and lfo routing etc etc. Once you understand that diva is easy peasy :D
Look up the class "Diva By U-He with Synth Hacker"
Jean Michel Jarre : " try to use just one vst for one year for know it 100% " because everyday there will have a new synth
I can appreciate this lol. The things that make Diva absolutely amazing (the oscillator drift, namely) are also the things that can make it very, very annoying to dial in more closely to an adequate sound. I have no shame using presets on it though (I know, that's blasphemy for producers).
@@golos9 It sounds like using a hardware synth as well which is what makes it so good
The answer is Vital
U-He Zebra 2 is the real beast.
Just use both!
Pick DIVA and learn it, then get serum and learn that too. they're both very useful tools. Diva is best tho. FITE ME!
Buy both, done
Serum FTW! All the way:)
Yes, please do the sub37 vs Diva. This is a great format
To my ears Diva sounds clean.
My question...can you hear the different of these plugins in a complete track? I think no and i think nobody in a club ask you what synths use in a track.
of courae matering is the solution...but diva have such a exelent quality
that's a nerdy producer question indeed, because honestly NOBODY cares about thoses little details, and that's why i do have Serum (for the more dubstepy/trapy/neuroy basses and stupidly huge modulation capabilities) and Pigments 2 for all the other stuff, including hybrid sounds (samples + synths) and granular sampled sounds :)
That's why all this shit now sounds the same. People don't "care", they just get bored of the same things over and over.
I think subtle differences in sound quality can actually add up to have very different effects on the listener. If I hear somebody play Serum vs. a classic hardware analog synth when there are multiple instances of each it becomes very apparent which is which and I've even had friends of mine listen to some of my music and remark that more analog emulations playing sounds I make in wavetable synths tend to sound nostalgic or "warm" in comparison. I've actually tested this by sending two versions of the same track to some people I was working with where one version used serum and one exclusively used the arturia prophet emulation and replicated the same sounds on each synth and they greatly preferred the prophet emulation because they felt that the track which featured it had more "vibe". IMO laypeople are more sensitive to production and sound design than musicians give them credit and great producers capitalize on it all the time by ensuring that the sounds they use are top notch and compliment their aesthetic. I understand why many people prefer interfaces like Serum or Vital but to say that they sound the same as Diva, Repro, or Arturia collection synths when stacked in a track seems pretty delusional and I don't even consider myself that sensitive to the differences even though they are pretty apparent to me.
@@aaronmetz8707 You make an astute point, one I make myself often frankly! On the one hand, choosing a synth based on these kinds of differences probably makes no quantifiable difference to the end listener, on the other, end listeners have a tendency to identify work that is exceptional and fresh.
However, if your goal is to please other producers - forget everything, you'll never please them, they will always have something to say about the sounds and they probably won't buy your music anyway. Even more important than synths, analogue or whatever, are ideas. These make the biggest difference, and I think the music listening public are more open to ideas than other producers.
Can Stefan who make a bad track? 0:05 I must know!
What video is this? 😂 You can compare Serum to Icarus or another wavetable synth. Or Diva with Tone2 Saurus. But how unprofessional is it to compare Serum with Diva?
2:12 Not a test to decide which sounds more analog? I don't think serum has ever been considered analog sounding, in fact it's a very digital sounding synth indeed. That's the style - harsh digital sounds. For analog sounding synths, Diva and Zebra are always gonna be the right choice.
Yeah its like comparing a classic car and a modern supercar. Both have their own pros and cons.
But if I had to choose based on my type of music I would def choose serum over diva any day. [You will never get weird monster like growls on diva haha]
for me these are all diva sounds lol
You don't compare these 2, completely different. Serum is way more in depth for sound design, closer to something like PhasePlant where you are the one creating the synth basically.
Diva is what I would call "premade", like an oldschool midi keyboard. Limited options, but with a certain unique sound to it.
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From developers perspective I can tell they both have written in C++ but Serum is written in Juce framework . Diva has been created by own framework of Uhe (as far I know)
So technically they obviously very different and unique. Is Diva better than Serum is not meaningful.
If anyone really wants to compare do with VITAL vs Serum.
Why or how would the programming language alter the sound? Your argument is akin to saying "Word documents on Macs read differently to documents on PC". The programs consist of digital mathematical calculations. Ones and zeroes. How they were originally coded is irrelevant.
Never mind the fact that Serum probably wasn't written with JUCE. Steve Duda says he used C++. But that doesn't mean much. Not all C++ synths sound the same, nor do JUCE plugins.
@@AutPen38 why so many people talk when they obviously don't know shit is a mystery to me.
@@AutPen38 thank god someone have brain
Me with Spire 😔
Good synth especially for pads and organic sounds
While I'll admit to having not watched your video-- and it's a fair bit dated-- it nevertheless seems like you're comparing an apple to an orange. AFAIK, Diva's subtractive-analogue and Serum is wavetable. In any case, if you're leaning toward Serum, you might as well consider Vital (and/or Vitalium). As for Diva, while fine, there are a lot of that type of synth around that can be had for free. That said, however, Diva has a nice aftermarket skin (MONA by Plugmon) that makes the synth feel like a new one and might even enable new features, or at least facilitate them. Vital also has many skins to choose from including the one I currently use; the *Serum* *skin* .
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Uhe diva GANADOR.
The question makes no sense bc for starters they use a different kind of synthesis:
Diva is a traditional subtractive synth that replicates moog's analogue sound to perfection, with some extra features.
Serum FX is a wavetable synth that allows for crazy sound design and creation of new and different sounds based on any imaginable sample source, its a sound design tool made not to replicate any hardware sound, but to create new digital sounds ranging from the very natural to the sci fi world
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I think diva and serum cant be compared...
Diva is an analog emulation vst and serum is more a digital wavetable vst!
Get both, is obvious, why not?
Not everyone can afford a Ferrari and a Lambo. We spent all our money on Bugattis.
Having owned Serum for like 10 years and having just gotten Diva. The difference for me is night and day. Diva blows serum out of the water. I don't care about wave tables or serum's well designed user interface when Diva just makes your tracks sound 10X more professional.
My picks: 2, 5, 10, 13, 8, 12, 3
Scoreboard:
Serum: 4; Diva: 3
Which one is more advanced ? Serum or Diva ?
Turkish subtitle please rdddd
DIVA is miles ahead of SERUM , not even in the same league
0:45 😂😂😂 He said JUVE
PolyKB for the win.
of course is barca
Very well programmed examples, great job!
I had to listen twice to realize which is which - and I still wasn't sure which is which in the last example because of the loud transient.
- Overall Serum sounds more flat & muddy - with more exciting & beefy midrange.
- Diva sounds more "emotional", "deep", "3D".. whatever - at least to me... The filters sound great for a VST.
Some examples can lead you on to pick the louder/brighter one, so it takes careful listening.
Thanks for making this :)
The search for the best thing, continues - however, what this demonstrates as all such videos demonstrates is that there is not any particularly meaningful difference. Even if you like the sound of one of these synths marginally more, its probably the workflow that is going to decide how much value you get out of it.
Bit of a pointless test... CPU resources, how often does it crash, how expensive is it, how often do new features get added, how easy is it to find tutorials and presets, how is it to programme, does the GUI help or hinder, missing features from either...
Barça!!!! 😂😜
Buy both, thank me later.
Real Madrid or Barcelona is a bad compare a team that has won 14 Champion Leagues with another team that has won only 5, there the choice is clear, Real is the best team hands down, but with Serum vsa we are talking about two different concepts. Personally I prefer Serum, I found Diva to sound very weak, even for more analogue style synths I've ended up going for other solutions like Arturia V Collection or KORG synths, Diva sounds just boring to me, the same as Barcelona style is boring to me
very different synthesisers