Interesting comparison. Iron Cross pays a little more on the more frequent numbers (4, 5, 6 , 8, 9 & 10,) and a little less on the less frequent numbers (2,3,11 & 12.) I think I would favor the Iron Cross.
The only reason to play at this table is to place 2, 3, 11, 12 and try to catch a good run of craps being thrown.. it’s a gamblers table. If you’re not placing those numbers why even play here (casino edge is much higher), stick to regular craps table
@@rpturbo not much of a downside (True Odds vs Regular Payouts) … at the $10 level you are better off buying the 2,3,4,10,11,12 When you have more money on the 5&9 they are good to buy vs place. Remember your bets come down after they are hit technically, but if you have them stay up you just have to pay the vig. Paying the vig on the win = Awesome do it (more money) Paying the vig on the bet = well if it hits more than twice you are going to make some extra money, but what is 2-6 bucks for the vig if you lose? As you have higher bets it really starts to make sense. i.e. pressing your bets
If you are playing the field because of small bank roll , if a field number hits cover that number with your winnings. I usually start on 10 each 5 and 9 and then slowly work out to 10 on each number. 12 on the 6 and 8 then turn off. I collect or push after that. Last night at Gun Lake Casino the crapless table had a $5 min bet
I played along by placing $96 across and $4 horn bet, to compare. I started with $400, ended up with $623 with this strategy. Quite lower than they two strategies you showed.
Great video as always. Haven't tried Crapless Craps just watched at New York New York and Park MGM. Very interesting game just shows you that when they invented Craps back in the day they got it right.
Interesting, I'm glad you mentioned that the place better would have started to press their bets at some point, that's what most do. I realize that you were wanting to compare the same amount at risk, but I would believe that the iron cross player would have started at table minimum and been much likely not to press.
I get wanting to compare with the same amount of risk, but I think the benefit of iron cross is the fact that it's cheaper than placing across especially on a capless table, I wonder how much of a difference that would make on a choppy table. $78 lost vs $104 lost would make a rather large difference imo. Love the demonstration and love your vids!!
@@danieltalley7739 So, as a place better I employ one of two betting strategies. The double tap or the squeeze play. Both will get me off the table and on profit rather quickly. Most of the time. Once I'm on profit I will press the inside numbers and then move to the outside numbers. I use even more profit to move to the outside extreme numbers. If the table is choppy, I will play to get my loses back before I go crazy on the extreme numbers. I want to get to where I have the usual 6 place bet numbers covered. Anyway, that is the way I play. From a collecting stand point, try a mid press or press one unit. Both are very good and you are always taking a little for your rack.
I've never played on a crapless table but it seems like it favors the house a lot by spreading out your bets at lower amounts rather than concentrating on maximizing payouts on fewer numbers. Since most people press their place bets when they hit- it would take forever on a crapless table to build up any one number very far before big red shows up. I could see a strategy of using those outside number wins to feed the traditional inside number place bets, like using the Field to feed place betting. But trying to press with 10 place bets isn't going to see many if any maxed out before big red shows. I'd like to see this tested with adding in presses. Say just going to 3 units would likely favor the iron cross player simply because they'd stop investing sooner and be able to pull profit than trying to get any one of ten numbers pressed to a useful wager amount-- especially when the BUY is 20 or 25 on a 10 dollar table. Here on the east coast we get the most traditional craps tables. Rarely will you see fire bets, ATS, or anything else. It's old school craps round these parts.
@@bruceeigsti5274 I can see the draw for casual players that might get more hits overall and feel that rush of winning more often. It's just inconsequential payouts. Much like slot machines- offer more little wins to keep players happy, and offer them more small bets to nickel and dime themselves out of their money. I feel like a lot of the gimmick craps variations are exactly that- gimmicks trying to make craps more like slot machines.
I wish we had $10 tables its $15 and up where i am, makes it tough for a small bankroll player like myself ($300) sometime my wife and i will play together like a team. i enjoy crapless craps, i dont get to deep with all the "house edge" percentages and such, i just enjoy playing, sometimes i win, sometimes i loose. Ive played where i place the 6/8 and all they roll are field numbers, then sometimes the opposite, you just never know. good luck coloring up!
That's why you should ALWAYS play the Iron-Cross on NOT only a crapless craps table, but also on a REGULAR table!!! I am a HUGE fan of the Iron-Cross strategy!!!
Color Up, the cost for Quarter Pounder w/Ease would've been $110 per Roll w/$25 profit avg. vs. About $100 per Roll w/ about $14 avg. per hit before the 7. Does that sound right?
Love the strategies. MGM in Maryland there is no such thing as a $10 table. You might find one for $25 but on average it's $50 or better. All day everyday
A MUCH BETTER comparison would be to put $18 EACH on 6 and 8, and $15 on the number 5, and then $10 on the Field bet for the $61 set-up verses the $104 set-up for playing ALL the Place bet numbers and then see how that plays out in terms of which was the BETTER investment - using the Iron Cross for $61 total or the $104 for placing ALL the Place bet numbers! Because the whole point of this would be if it's BETTER to invest LESS and STILL cover ALL the numbers with the Iron Cross and LOSE less during those BAD rolls, or is it just BETTER to play ALL the Place bet numbers and win MORE and lose LESS???
So that was the table I played at on my first day at Venetian. I expanded the cross to include the 4, 9 and 10. Wouldn’t the normal strategy include those as roll progressed?
Hey Jeremy thanks for doing this Crapless Craps video very good presentation, maybe you can do a slight edge with it by laying the 2 or 12, or even both with some amount, play 3 and 11 in the horn straight up as a slight hedge, so you can make more money in the field just in case it gets hot. Is this a real cloth, or some your video magic? Lol
Hollywood columbus ohio has regular take pass/don't pass but just adds the horn pb so = place a pass line bet equal to table minimum x 4 and place minimum on each of the horn pb
Nice vid. Not seen a crapless table. Since no don'ts how would you hedge the 7? Lay bets on the 2 and 12? My strat for this is play the field and all the numbers accross. Since now instead of 3 box numbers that with the field pays double it goes up to 7 numbers! So now 7 double payers, to 3 regular pays and 1 loser.
Seems that using the Iron Cross you are stuck at that bet level, while the true place better has the opportunity to slow press numbers that hit. So with the long rolls of the repeating numbers you had the straight better increasing a unit at a time he would have came out ahead.
@@buckeyeslim6177 lol not the heart of Indianapolis but the closest casinos are 25 min away like Shelbyville takes 13 minutes from my house in Indianapolis to get too. Or Anderson takes 30 min from my house. They dont have it in the heart of indy yet but the closest surrounding cities they do now
@@hbrianmcfarland yep, in my first video about crapless I mentioned that is the common payout. 11:4 Strat invented the game and yet has worse payouts 13:5😡
@@ColorUp I was wondering about that. I think part of the reason for this is that most of the crapless tables I've seen have all/tall/small as well, but I'm not sure that covers the increase in odds for those numbers (both 3/11 and 2/12)... about the buy on the extreme numbers, I know that the Missouri casinos allow a buy at 10 for those numbers, but they take the vig prior.
Hi I have a strategy I think will win. Basically you play the field. But you have to play 100 rolls. But you only bet after 3 misses on the feild. So you go 3 misses 1 play 3 misses 1 play. Basically 1 $5 bet every time the feild misses 3 times and you have to do it 100 times. No Martingale. Can you test that out please? Also what's the longest no field streak you have heard of?
I don’t think I could try this video out, it is an interesting idea but just watching me roll a lot to wait for field missed and then one bet, would not be entertaining. Give it a try thiugh, and let me know how it works out for you.
This was a VERY interesting and a GREAT comparison!!! However, in REALITY, I would've had the Iron-Cross for $20 on the number 5, and $24 EACH on 6 & 8, with $10 on the Field, and let's say that 2 and 12 paid double for BOTH, and NOT triple for the number 12. This way you are ONLY risking a TOTAL of $78, as opposed to playing $104 for ALL of those numbers on the place bets and also you will win either $10 ( for the numbers 3,4,9 and10 ), $18 ( for 5,6 and 8 because $28 - 10 = $18 ) or $20 ( for 2 and 12 ) I STILL think ( but NOT entirely sure though ) that the Iron-Cross would've won out if you did it this way because of the fact that when the shooter sevens-out, you will lose $26 LESS than the place bets player, and that would make a BIG difference, even when the place bet shooter collected on the 12 and 2!
If your bets are "equivalent", it's not a TRUE iron cross. Your place bets should be 1-2 units higher than your field bet. NOW you have an ACTUAL IRON cross.
Sad. I think people will play this horrible game. Eventually the original craps games will disappear. High table limits on original craps tables is the telltale sign that the casinos are planning future elimination of original craps tables. Crapless craps makes much more money for the casino than original craps does. So they increase the table minimum bets on original craps to match the the earnings from Crapless craps. Those who can’t afford it will have to play Crapless craps instead. But that’s the wrong thing to do. They should simply not play at all. It won’t take long for the casinos to do away with Crapless craps when they see nobody playing it. Then the limits on original craps will drop to where they used to be. The casinos got rid of all the favorable blackjack single deck games by first raising the table minimum bets. Then the games disappeared completely. You probably never saw a blackjack single deck game that allowed double on any 2 cards, double after splits, surrender, insurance, and dealer standing on all 17s that was dealt more than half way down. I have played those games. They don’t exist today because people played the inferior blackjack games instead. So it’s We the People who are ultimately in control of what games the casinos offer. An empty table loses money for the casino no matter how high the house advantage is.
Crapless craps was first introduced in 1981. So in 40+ years still hasn't caught on all that much and still a novelty version. Im not worried about it taking over.
@@ColorUp the casinos given their attention to eliminating good blackjack games. Now that they have successfully eliminated good blackjack games, it’s time to address craps. Craps has the lowest house advantage out out all the games when playing only the Pass Line or Don’t Pass with full odds. High table minimums is the sign that the casinos want to eliminate regular craps. That’s how they eliminated blackjack. So if you walk into a casino and can’t find any craps with less than a $25 minimum bet, you know that that casino is trying to eliminate the game. This is especially true if you find other table minimum bets lower than $25. And if that particular casino has a Crapless crap ps table with a $10 minimum, that’s the end of regular craps in that casino unless everyone doesn’t play Crapless craps. Bubble craps machines also threaten the existence of regular craps tables. The casino is always trying to find new ways of increasing their profit per square foot of casino floor. A Craps table takes up lots of space and requires 3 dealers and a box man to operate. Bubble craps takes up much less space and requires no dealers and no box man.
Playing the iron cross is the same on both craps and Crapless. Crapless craps kills the pass line and come bets. True you can place the horn numbers, but doing so is horrible. You can’t make don’t bets at all. Don’t bets are the best bets in craps. You are suck with placing 6 and 8 as your best bets. Playing Crapless craps threatens the the existence of regular craps. Please don’t play this game.
You did an awesome demonstration Jeremy! Thank you Sir!
Interesting comparison. Iron Cross pays a little more on the more frequent numbers (4, 5, 6 , 8, 9 & 10,) and a little less on the less frequent numbers (2,3,11 & 12.) I think I would favor the Iron Cross.
I like what I call the modified Iron Cross....gets the hardways in there and some passline with odds action so I can shoot....
Love your videos! Would love to see your table, just a behind the scenes look at it. Been thinking of making my own for my basement.
The only reason to play at this table is to place 2, 3, 11, 12 and try to catch a good run of craps being thrown.. it’s a gamblers table. If you’re not placing those numbers why even play here (casino edge is much higher), stick to regular craps table
Why not buy instead of place? Is there a downside I don't know about?
@@rpturbo not much of a downside (True Odds vs Regular Payouts) … at the $10 level you are better off buying the 2,3,4,10,11,12
When you have more money on the 5&9 they are good to buy vs place.
Remember your bets come down after they are hit technically, but if you have them stay up you just have to pay the vig.
Paying the vig on the win = Awesome do it (more money)
Paying the vig on the bet = well if it hits more than twice you are going to make some extra money, but what is 2-6 bucks for the vig if you lose?
As you have higher bets it really starts to make sense. i.e. pressing your bets
I am GLAD you showed this comparison!
The ONLY thing I would've done differently is I would've put $15 on the Field and NOT $20!
If you are playing the field because of small bank roll , if a field number hits cover that number with your winnings. I usually start on 10 each 5 and 9 and then slowly work out to 10 on each number. 12 on the 6 and 8 then turn off. I collect or push after that. Last night at Gun Lake Casino the crapless table had a $5 min bet
Wow, easy to learn that new layout...
I played along by placing $96 across and $4 horn bet, to compare. I started with $400, ended up with $623 with this strategy. Quite lower than they two strategies you showed.
Great video as always. Haven't tried Crapless Craps just watched at New York New York and Park MGM. Very interesting game just shows you that when they invented Craps back in the day they got it right.
Interesting, I'm glad you mentioned that the place better would have started to press their bets at some point, that's what most do. I realize that you were wanting to compare the same amount at risk, but I would believe that the iron cross player would have started at table minimum and been much likely not to press.
I get wanting to compare with the same amount of risk, but I think the benefit of iron cross is the fact that it's cheaper than placing across especially on a capless table, I wonder how much of a difference that would make on a choppy table. $78 lost vs $104 lost would make a rather large difference imo. Love the demonstration and love your vids!!
@@danieltalley7739 I am a place better and I play the crapless table the same as a traditional craps table. usually start with 44 inside.
@@mikewdice7876 do you spread it out as you hit the numbers? If so, when do you start collecting?
@@danieltalley7739 So, as a place better I employ one of two betting strategies. The double tap or the squeeze play. Both will get me off the table and on profit rather quickly. Most of the time. Once I'm on profit I will press the inside numbers and then move to the outside numbers. I use even more profit to move to the outside extreme numbers. If the table is choppy, I will play to get my loses back before I go crazy on the extreme numbers. I want to get to where I have the usual 6 place bet numbers covered. Anyway, that is the way I play. From a collecting stand point, try a mid press or press one unit. Both are very good and you are always taking a little for your rack.
I've never played on a crapless table but it seems like it favors the house a lot by spreading out your bets at lower amounts rather than concentrating on maximizing payouts on fewer numbers. Since most people press their place bets when they hit- it would take forever on a crapless table to build up any one number very far before big red shows up. I could see a strategy of using those outside number wins to feed the traditional inside number place bets, like using the Field to feed place betting. But trying to press with 10 place bets isn't going to see many if any maxed out before big red shows.
I'd like to see this tested with adding in presses. Say just going to 3 units would likely favor the iron cross player simply because they'd stop investing sooner and be able to pull profit than trying to get any one of ten numbers pressed to a useful wager amount-- especially when the BUY is 20 or 25 on a 10 dollar table.
Here on the east coast we get the most traditional craps tables. Rarely will you see fire bets, ATS, or anything else. It's old school craps round these parts.
Yep bigger house adv..I refuse to play them
@@bruceeigsti5274 I can see the draw for casual players that might get more hits overall and feel that rush of winning more often. It's just inconsequential payouts.
Much like slot machines- offer more little wins to keep players happy, and offer them more small bets to nickel and dime themselves out of their money.
I feel like a lot of the gimmick craps variations are exactly that- gimmicks trying to make craps more like slot machines.
I wish we had $10 tables its $15 and up where i am, makes it tough for a small bankroll player like myself ($300) sometime my wife and i will play together like a team. i enjoy crapless craps, i dont get to deep with all the "house edge" percentages and such, i just enjoy playing, sometimes i win, sometimes i loose. Ive played where i place the 6/8 and all they roll are field numbers, then sometimes the opposite, you just never know. good luck coloring up!
Yeah, I refuse to play $15 - luckily I still have access to $10 and occasionally $5.
That's why you should ALWAYS play the Iron-Cross on NOT only a crapless craps table, but also on a REGULAR table!!! I am a HUGE fan of the Iron-Cross strategy!!!
It seems it would be advantageous to work the come out roll since you can place the extremes
Can you try this again with press/collect strategy?
Color Up, the cost for Quarter Pounder w/Ease would've been $110 per Roll w/$25 profit avg. vs. About $100 per Roll w/ about $14 avg. per hit before the 7. Does that sound right?
Maybe, I don’t remember specifics of quarter pounder
Sounds to me like you've got McDonald's on your mind! LOL!
Love the strategies. MGM in Maryland there is no such thing as a $10 table. You might find one for $25 but on average it's $50 or better. All day everyday
WOW!!!!!
Thank GOD I DON'T live in Maryland!!!
Great Roll! Demo. This time the middle bell shape curve won out🙏😎
A MUCH BETTER comparison would be to put $18 EACH on 6 and 8, and $15 on the number 5, and then $10 on the Field bet for the $61 set-up verses the $104 set-up for playing ALL the Place bet numbers and then see how that plays out in terms of which was the BETTER investment - using the Iron Cross for $61 total or the $104 for placing ALL the Place bet numbers!
Because the whole point of this would be if it's BETTER to invest LESS and STILL cover ALL the numbers with the Iron Cross and LOSE less during those BAD rolls, or is it just BETTER to play ALL the Place bet numbers and win MORE and lose LESS???
So that was the table I played at on my first day at Venetian. I expanded the cross to include the 4, 9 and 10. Wouldn’t the normal strategy include those as roll progressed?
Some people expand to more numbers and get out of the field. There are so many diff variations
How many rolls does it take to break even on both strategies?
Hey Jeremy thanks for doing this Crapless Craps video very good presentation, maybe you can do a slight edge with it by laying the 2 or 12, or even both with some amount, play 3 and 11 in the horn straight up as a slight hedge, so you can make more money in the field just in case it gets hot. Is this a real cloth, or some your video magic? Lol
Real layout, I had made to do these videos
@@ColorUp Cool , can you say the company's name.
casinosupply.com
Where can I find a crapless craps felt for my home table?
I haven't seen any for sale anywhere, I designed my own and had printed at casino supply.com
Hollywood columbus ohio has regular take pass/don't pass but just adds the horn pb so = place a pass line bet equal to table minimum x 4 and place minimum on each of the horn pb
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Nice vid. Not seen a crapless table. Since no don'ts how would you hedge the 7? Lay bets on the 2 and 12?
My strat for this is play the field and all the numbers accross. Since now instead of 3 box numbers that with the field pays double it goes up to 7 numbers! So now 7 double payers, to 3 regular pays and 1 loser.
you could hedge by laying 2/12...gets a little expense as the payout for a lay bet is 1:6 or $60 to win $10 minus the vig
Would be nice to keep track on screen the stacks or at least how much each is up or down?
Summery at end
how does the come bet work in crapless craps??
Same as pass line, 7 will win come bet, any other number the come bet travels to.
Seems that using the Iron Cross you are stuck at that bet level, while the true place better has the opportunity to slow press numbers that hit. So with the long rolls of the repeating numbers you had the straight better increasing a unit at a time he would have came out ahead.
You could press the iron cross just as easily
@@ColorUp EGGZACKULLY!!!!!
I thought for sure the place better would win that.
me too
Jeremy, at a $10 crapless table, your 3 and 11 need to be $12 each (caps) - at least here in Indiana. Thanks again for the video!
Most tables I believe are 11:4 and you would want to do $12, but I used strat odds and they use 13:5
@@ColorUp Got ya!
In indiana you play at shelbyvilld casino trapmusic gf
Hawaii Craps Shooters ' "Quarter Pounder w/ Cheese" would've done well, if the payouts for Hop the 5 would've been the same.
Yes, hop bet payouts all the same
Great vid!
Guy says, "actually been a pretty good roll."
Me: "Dude jst fkd it up "
Life: "What do you want from me; dude fkd it up?"
Not having the proper puck placement the roll after making point would be a come out of which you don't work so you wouldn't be paying that number
? what are you trying to communicate
Nice example
Can you do this for 15 dollars please
All we have is 15 dollar tables here in Indianapolis brotha
Boo, time to move ha, I'll mix things up with different table limits
What casino in Indy has craps tables? I'll be passing thru there next week
@@buckeyeslim6177 lol not the heart of Indianapolis but the closest casinos are 25 min away like Shelbyville takes 13 minutes from my house in Indianapolis to get too.
Or Anderson takes 30 min from my house.
They dont have it in the heart of indy yet but the closest surrounding cities they do now
@@debochannel4827 Do you know the names of them? 🤔
Sometimes on Saturday and Sunday mornings, you can catch a $10 table in Shelbyville.
If you are placing the 3 and 11 on these tables without buying them, the dealer will prompt you to bet 12 each on them(11:4)
Yep just like the 6/8, but for this video I used the Strat place bet payouts which is 13:5
Most tables I've seen pay 11:4 on the 3/11
@@hbrianmcfarland yep, in my first video about crapless I mentioned that is the common payout. 11:4 Strat invented the game and yet has worse payouts 13:5😡
@@ColorUp I was wondering about that. I think part of the reason for this is that most of the crapless tables I've seen have all/tall/small as well, but I'm not sure that covers the increase in odds for those numbers (both 3/11 and 2/12)... about the buy on the extreme numbers, I know that the Missouri casinos allow a buy at 10 for those numbers, but they take the vig prior.
1st time seeing this version, interesting. Oh, the point should have been 5.
Yep, hit the 3 and missed moving puck
I watch your show alot. Why not play the field on both players
It was a versus comparison
Hi I have a strategy I think will win. Basically you play the field. But you have to play 100 rolls. But you only bet after 3 misses on the feild. So you go 3 misses 1 play 3 misses 1 play.
Basically 1 $5 bet every time the feild misses 3 times and you have to do it 100 times. No Martingale.
Can you test that out please?
Also what's the longest no field streak you have heard of?
I don’t think I could try this video out, it is an interesting idea but just watching me roll a lot to wait for field missed and then one bet, would not be entertaining. Give it a try thiugh, and let me know how it works out for you.
The Iron cross player only colored up 705 not 725
This was a VERY interesting and a GREAT comparison!!!
However, in REALITY, I would've had the Iron-Cross for $20 on the number 5, and $24 EACH on 6 & 8, with $10 on the Field, and let's say that 2 and 12 paid double for BOTH, and NOT triple for the number 12. This way you are ONLY risking a TOTAL of $78, as opposed to playing $104 for ALL of those numbers on the place bets and also you will win either $10 ( for the numbers 3,4,9 and10 ), $18 ( for 5,6 and 8 because $28 - 10 = $18 ) or $20 ( for 2 and 12 )
I STILL think ( but NOT entirely sure though ) that the Iron-Cross would've won out if you did it this way because of the fact that when the shooter sevens-out, you will lose $26 LESS than the place bets player, and that would make a BIG difference, even when the place bet shooter collected on the 12 and 2!
triple lux on crapless
Turbo craps. Not even once.
I hate crapless craps!
If your bets are "equivalent", it's not a TRUE iron cross. Your place bets should be 1-2 units higher than your field bet. NOW you have an ACTUAL IRON cross.
“Actual iron cross” is a misnomer. There are so many versions and no official version. Place bets were 30, field 20 so it was a 10$ higher unit anyway
@@ColorUp Yeah, I kinda jumped the gun and commented too early in the video. 😂😂🤣
Sad. I think people will play this horrible game. Eventually the original craps games will disappear. High table limits on original craps tables is the telltale sign that the casinos are planning future elimination of original craps tables. Crapless craps makes much more money for the casino than original craps does. So they increase the table minimum bets on original craps to match the the earnings from Crapless craps. Those who can’t afford it will have to play Crapless craps instead. But that’s the wrong thing to do. They should simply not play at all. It won’t take long for the casinos to do away with Crapless craps when they see nobody playing it. Then the limits on original craps will drop to where they used to be. The casinos got rid of all the favorable blackjack single deck games by first raising the table minimum bets. Then the games disappeared completely. You probably never saw a blackjack single deck game that allowed double on any 2 cards, double after splits, surrender, insurance, and dealer standing on all 17s that was dealt more than half way down. I have played those games. They don’t exist today because people played the inferior blackjack games instead. So it’s We the People who are ultimately in control of what games the casinos offer. An empty table loses money for the casino no matter how high the house advantage is.
Crapless craps was first introduced in 1981. So in 40+ years still hasn't caught on all that much and still a novelty version. Im not worried about it taking over.
@@ColorUp the casinos given their attention to eliminating good blackjack games. Now that they have successfully eliminated good blackjack games, it’s time to address craps. Craps has the lowest house advantage out out all the games when playing only the Pass Line or Don’t Pass with full odds. High table minimums is the sign that the casinos want to eliminate regular craps. That’s how they eliminated blackjack. So if you walk into a casino and can’t find any craps with less than a $25 minimum bet, you know that that casino is trying to eliminate the game. This is especially true if you find other table minimum bets lower than $25. And if that particular casino has a Crapless crap ps table with a $10 minimum, that’s the end of regular craps in that casino unless everyone doesn’t play Crapless craps. Bubble craps machines also threaten the existence of regular craps tables. The casino is always trying to find new ways of increasing their profit per square foot of casino floor. A Craps table takes up lots of space and requires 3 dealers and a box man to operate. Bubble craps takes up much less space and requires no dealers and no box man.
Run away far far away hate these tables roll 11 in the come out get nothing
You're actually more profitable on the come out roll... you don't win on the 11 but you also don't lose on the 2,3, and 12.
Playing the iron cross is the same on both craps and Crapless. Crapless craps kills the pass line and come bets. True you can place the horn numbers, but doing so is horrible. You can’t make don’t bets at all. Don’t bets are the best bets in craps. You are suck with placing 6 and 8 as your best bets. Playing Crapless craps threatens the the existence of regular craps. Please don’t play this game.
Game has been around since 80's, it doesn't threaten existence of regular craps