Spending $150,000 to FIX My LEAKING Backyard Pond!!! (Big Mistake?)
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I’m 17 I will work for you lmk
I would do it right so you don’t have to worry about fixing it later when it leaks
100k you can buy a property with a pond.
Good idea with Oreo sandwich
Definitely bentonite the pond. If you do the extra bentonite and clay, the pond will never leak. You wanna focus on enjoying the pond, not chasing leaks.
I definitely agree with him but at the same time I wanna see banjo fishing the pond 🤣🤣
A prudent man. id seriously consider this man's advice flair.
I agree you need the Bentonite better safe then sorry
Yea don’t want to risk it then delay the process another year
I agree
I would do it right the first time. You haven't had good luck so far with the pond so I'm with Big Jr.
Same
Facts!
You can’t take the money with you, and you would leave behind a pond that is your dream.
I'm same vote. The only reason my grandpa and cousin ponds never leaked is because they live in South GA where we have a ton of red clay. Stickiest of clays
Definitely agree
Flair I was a geologist and worked in the geotechnical industry for a while. You can wet on the dry clay and roll it between your palms to form a "dirt worm" out of it, the longer the worm you make the better the clay you have. If it breaks easily the higher silt content you have
I was told the same thing. I am trying to make a pond on my property in Mississippi and doing core samples in different areas to find the right location. I was wondering if adding potassium would compact the clay better. I know the farmers in the area are always liming their clay fields to break down the potassium compaction issue.
Been watching you for 10 years man. Go with Big Jr, need all the luck you can get on this one
For every like this comment gets Banjo has to eat a piece of jerky on camera.
82 pieces of jerky
Rack it up
Banjo would do that anyway!
You won’t have to do that just ask him and he’ll most likely do it anyway
To the moon people!
Absolutely bring in the bentonite and second layer! Let’s do it right the final time it’ll be worth it.
definitely do it right the first time, dont wana throw another fishing season away if the clay leaks on its own.
would also recommend splitting the pond structure between a rocky trash heap area and a grassy plant area.
also maybe move the dock to the other side of the beach
Love the pond idea, you should add a big rock pile in the middle and some smaller brush piles
100% go with bentonite, if it’s ever punctured, it’s self sealing and it’s resistant to wear (fish bedding/vegetation growth/driving posts for a pier..etc). Also, if you have true glacial till, it’s not 100% clay. There is also some coarse and fine aggregates (gravel and sand) in there occasionally, and it will affect the cohesive properties of the clay (cohesion is the grain to grain electrostatic attraction that keeps the clay together/sealed). So if it’s true glacial till, your chances of having a leak are already there, whereas you’re almost guaranteed a seal with bentonite. Im a civil engineer, but I have not worked with soil since my internship in college, but I would assume that you would not need another full 8” of glacial till on top of the bentonite. I would suggest 4-6” if you’re really trying to save money. But in the end, with your big plans and all, I would for sure do it right the first time.
Makes sense to me
I doubt you’ll see this follow-up lol but I forgot to mention, when you said “where the water goes in” (16:58) which I’m assuming is where your pump is, the rock around that needs to be fairly large sized riprap, they’re large stones and fish love it. But it will also give you some stability in your soil/slope, so that the water doesn’t carry as much of your liner material with it as it trickles down the slope. It also looks good. I haven’t dealt with soil (directly) in a while, but I deal with erosion daily. So if you want to be extra cautious, use large sized (basketball to beach ball sized) stones near your pump.
If its like the hard pan clay I have in SW MN(glacial remains) it is a sandy clay... it will seep at first but eventually the fine particles work to the bottom and create a seal... stuff is a pain in the a** to dig thru! I put in a base for a ham radio tower last year and a mini excavator couldn't punch thru it. I had to use a demolition hammer to break it up and shovel it out by hand.
@FLAIR Go all in. You already pulled the trigger on the clay so you have to at least get the bentonite layer. You also want to have thicker layers in areas you might put heavy structures because the structures will sink over time. You also need some type of system to prevent erosion when filling. Do it right man...I know its expensive but hopefully the content it creates will allow it to pay for itself over time.
I would start trying to set traps for critters that might ruin your day as well. You want to make sure no mink are using your drain/run off pipes. If you are confident there are no critters in your drainage than you may want to consider adding grates or something to cover the entry of said pipes.
As for structures for the pond, some stuff I have done over the years: Cement cinder block hotels covered in some gravel, Xmas trees of course, large dead trees, wooden pallets, stone aquascaping
Common structures people use but are not really the best: DIY plastic pipe trees, non metal drainage pipes, plastic milk crates
Structures I suggest to NOT use would be anything metal because of bentonite charging. There is a science that happens with metal and bentonite clay that can attract lightning and electrical current. A little metal is ok but the old car idea I would not go with...not just for the metal too but because of chemicals like oil and gas residues. There are also laws for certain types of structures in water bodies...like rebar for example...so do a little research.
I like using cinder block because mosses and algae will start growing on it over time and it looks better if you have it in clearer waters. It also can double as an anchor or tie up for fountains/diffusers and other possible structures. Like I said though...you want to figure out where heavy structures will be to lay a bit extra layering of clay because of sinking over time. I have used plastics in ponds but I try not to because of chemicals that release from it over time...sometimes its just cheaper to use and I get it.
Flair you need to give this guy a ring before any more decisions are made 😂 (the pond consultant)
@@ridiculousrolling I am not an educated pro but I do have experience. Just because I offer my advice does not mean he has to take the advice.
A project like this is a big investment and it can also be a money sink regardless of however it is done.
I use to work on exotic animal enclosures and have done small to large ponds and even a lake once. Learned from many mistakes myself.
If I was him I would have also put in a few culvert systems for run off. Erosion can be a problem later on but sometimes its a process and you have to let nature figure it out for you.
My grandfather made his own pond back in the day. He used hogs to pack the dirt. LOL, but now they have spreaders to do that for you. He had his pump near the middle of the pond. That the damn on the same side you are planning. He also had shallow areas for spawning on the North side and South West side. Then, he had his dock on the West side. Then added pine trees near the spawning areas. We live in NC so that was the tree to use. But he did it right the first time, so i encourage you to do it right the first time. That way, you and family and friends can enjoy it for ever. I can still remember all the precious memories fishing with my grandparents and family members. ❤
Honestly you have such big plans for the pond and with it being such a big project I feel that biting the bullet and making the sandwich is the way to go. You can have the peace of mind knowing it’s absolutely done and in 6 months it won’t be leaking. Time is so valuable and I feel like if you just sent it now and in 6 months it starts leaking and you have to invest a bunch more time into it to try and fix it your gonna wish you just full sent the first time around.
Coat it with flex seal.
Would work BUT the chemicals that make up Flex Seal would cause the fish to grow multiple eyes.
Genius
Rino liner. better grip when wet.
lol
LOL. Good one but that stuff would cost 10x 100k.
In the tackle shop you should do a couple holes in the floor that can be covered with a latch for ice fishing and put lights in the water around the dock so you can see the fish feeding at night
Would you want to fish in 3 feet deep water?
@@brians48now yess some fish
@@brians48nowyeah it’s like fishing in an aquarium and we ice fish in 3-6’ of water for panfish all winter long…
@@brians48nowIf you watch ice fishing videos, they do sometimes
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Awesome video, can’t wait to see the results for the pond!
You should build like a little island in the middle of it. GO ALL IN WITH THE BENTONITE.
One critical thing to remember is to make sure that you set up your water input so that it will not erode your bank. The way you did it last time caused a lot of erosion and will wash away the good work and waste your money. Think this one through to find a good solution. Bama Bass has his water rising up from the deep part of his pond. Maybe run hose down to the deepest part with some kind of diffuser, at least until the water fills up over your south ledge. Those are my thoughts, but I'm not a pond expert (yet). Seek professional opinions regarding this. We want this to be a success for you! 🙂
A diffuser will help alot , something like a spray up into the air instead of on the ground, and moving, so it isn't hitting the same spot. At least untill you have a foot of waters
add a float to the end of the hose to keep it off the bottom.
If you watch bama bass videos, I believe he used a dye and tracked down his leaks and layered the bentonite in the water to plug his leaks. I feel you could do it either way and it is just more reinsurance that it wouldnt leak if you do bentinite and another layer. For structure parts, i would use old concrete pipe if you have a company around making it. Saves you on trying to secure things down and risk puncturing the bentonite layer.
Love the pond build videos !
I respect it Flair a project like this takes a lot of balls to just go for, I wish you good luck sir. I’ll be watching with anxiety and hopeful anticipation!
Do the Oreo strat, if you’re going to do it, do it right the first time so you don’t waste more money
After the final layer of clay is packed, you should be able to add structure, including, putting dirt in to make different levels and if you put some in a long line, mounded up, you will have a place bass can ambush prey, similar to a ditch line.
Thx for the spoiler
@@LjbearGaming what are you 5? Dont read the comments before watching the video if you dont want spoilers.
FLAIR ARE YOU GOING SNAGGING THIS YEAR!!!!?
Please make another video on it. Absolutely love them and love to do it and everything else‼️‼️
LETS GO, i’m very confident in the call and bentonite, come on flair have some confidence!!! It’s gonna work!!
You definitely have bentonite the pond. I had a farm pond that was leaking and I drained it and put clay and bentonite and then layer of clay over 10 years ago. I definitely think if you leave it you will regret it when you can’t fish during spring.
Ok, Flair, go all the way! So you don't have to drain and start over. Better to do it right the first time. I don't usually make a comment but I feel it's worth it to make your pond work correctly! Good luck!😊
Thanks PDS for your service. Love your videos Flair. Greetings from South Africa.
Good call! Liners are a pain and get damaged over time. Makes it a pain to dredge and modify the pond later. Quality compacted clay fill compacted in 6-12" lifts, and bentonite is the way to go. Sincerely, 18 year pond management professional Good luck!
We need the beefcake construction series back!
@Flair I live in Nebraska and have helped on many farms and ranches I would say do it the right way and do all three
Awesome video Flair!! The pond is looking good so far. I'm no expert, but I'd go all the way with the extra layers just to be safe than sorry.
Definitely go all the way with it so you dont have to worry about it later on
Go all in. You’ll have this pond forever. Might as well make it as good as possible
You should do an island with trees in the middle of your pond. Trust me it looks really good and my grandpa had a pond, like that and it was beautiful
Good idea
Can't, the tree roots would eventually grow through the clay causing the pond to leak
What kinda animals did he keep at the pound?
@@sergev7828 huh
@@sergev7828 fish?????
YAY, YAY, CLAY, CLAY, and more Clay!! Good Luck!!
Flair, you said you wanted ideas for structure and this might be better for the brush pile but after christmas if you use live trees chunk them in the pond it makes some pretty good structure and whatnot.
I knew this was coming. I saw the trucks in the blind fold pond video
Me too
Very observant! I totally missed that! 🙂
Yup
If your goal is to heat up the north end (and the water is clear/semi-clear) you should sprinkle rock, boulders, and bigger logs around that area. Rock and logs will retain their heat from the sun longer than the dirt and mud. In the deeper water adjacent to that shallow flat may be a good place to put more branches and fish cribs for the minnows and young to live in/hide out. I would also introduce local natural weeds to the south end where you are keeping it cooler to provide more cover, shade, and fresh oxygen in the summer. I do not know what is local to your area regarding bullrushes, cattails, or other emergent vegetation but those types of plants may go well next to your beach since they should not spread into the sand. (Plus it may attract waterfowl and give you a place to hide a blind)
Also make sure any run offs from land or intakes are on the south side of the pond.
Do it right the first time so you can never worry abt it again. You got this!
Bentonite and second layer of clay for sure!! Plus love the idea of the old cars in the pond!!
Cutting corners is what go you here. As you saw, there is a lot of loose dirt mixed on the sides. I would use betanite and then see you it is before adding the extra clay, but you definitely want to be able to add strucker. Go all the way.
Just Do It !!! Spend the money we will support like always you’ll make it back!
You have to remember that the thousands of gallons of water will have more pressure on the pond and it will be more likely to leak with just one layer of clay compared to a thicker layer of clay/ clay and bentonite
I say definitely put the bentonite in and then 2nd layer of clay.. yeah going to take some money but might as well go and do it right that way you know it be done good and won't have to be worked on again. Good Luck with it all. Hope all goes good and well, and ready to watch you all fish pond !! 😊
Coat it with flex seal
😂
Same idea
you should add a fountain in the middle
I recommend doing bentonite first time around. Pretty much guaranteed to work at that point. Suggesting the same thing I did on your last video about pond. Seen it done first hand, definitely worth the extra $
Hey bud. When you were talking about the diff between the half inch on the pitch pot verse the 6 inches in the pond. You have to account all the pressure the large amount of water will cause.
Yes and it will erode eventually, the pressure will find a weak spot and start working away at it.
The Oreo is the way to go! With the substrate soil being what they are in you area, one layer of clay would be a mistake. Hydrostatic overburden will quickly compromise a single layer.
Bentonite advantage is it will flow to a leak and plug it. It future proofs against any oops moments...
Do it right. I want that pond to come to life. It doesn’t matter how long it takes to me. I watch all of your videos either way and I enjoy every second of it. Keep up the great work brother
If you haven't thought about it yet, doing the fish tagging thing like bamabass would be sweet, that way you can you see exactly which fish you catch and how much they're growing.
U should make the dock or the tackle store with a huge beefcake logo on it
Do it right the first time. I grew up on ranches but had the luck of 3 ponds already in existence. The good times are endless for you and the girls. Good luck with your choices
It’s always a good day when FLAIR uploads.
Do the Oreo! Bringing Clay!
I feel like, if you haven't already, talking to LFG about the structure and layout in the pond would be good. He's got a degree in this stuff.
Definitely need more pines and rocks along the damn for extra support and places for the fish to hang out, The rocks will help keep the pond heated. Add some filtrating plants along the shallow side for the minnows
Can't add plants they will grow through the clay liner causing it to leak
Need spawning zones for your baitfish with pea gravel, I know you have the hatchery but I think you should have some in the pond as well. I would like to see a super brushy area to jig perch, bluegill, crappie, etc. You know Banjo would dig that little area as well. Another cool addition would be some caves for big kitty cats and bass to hide in. Use something like a culvert and pack clay and rocks all over it. Not sure how it would work in the real world but could be super cool.
Bentonite is mined near me in MN... but this is cosmetic grade, not low grade they use on a pond... and bentonite will flow to leaks and plug them!
Hard pan clay... got that crap 3' down in my yard and anytime I need to dig a hole it is a battle to punch thru a 1' thick layer of it. I finally bought a demolition hammer to break it up. Even a mini excavator couldn't punch thru it!
I would definitely add the betonite and clay. As others have said, go all the way and finish it right the first time.
Go ahead and add another layer!!
Be safe you, went this far!
Glad you are giving your best effort and dumping all this money into the pond!! I pray that this works!!
Got to do bentonite I would also do the extra layer of clay just so it don’t leak so we can watch you fish it this summer. Love the videos keep up the good work.
The empty space of the pond you should put like a little island right there with like palm trees and rocks on the side with sand. I think that would be pretty cool.
Do what makes you feel comfortable flair we’re just here for support and tips your the best brotha!
Loved the back yard pond catch , clean cooks at the old house. Can't wait to see them again at the new place!
I didn’t know that about the north bank so I appreciate that with getting ready to go fishing here in Indiana with the temp swinging from 70-30
keep in mind, when you fill up the pond after doing the fix, the water level will drop a little bit until it "settles" so you might THINK it's leaking first but it's just gonna settle then it'll stop with only a slight loss of water from the heat etc..
Someone needs to teach this man about hydrostatic pressure.
Shhhhhhh
@@budddove6480 eeeeeeeew !
Thank you, in another video the guy mentioned how much weight is forced downward the deeper you go.
Let’s go all the way guys. It’s a lot of money, but chances to get leaks are lowered. Option 2 though would be to start filling NOW and go in with Bentonite after you realize you are losing water. Good luck!
I would go all in! You save time and money in the long run.
The middle of the pond should have a little camping scene equipped with dummies. Even a nearby parking spot to put a car. Put chairs, tents, sitting logs and a campfire. Maybe even a cooler and a grill.
I went from not watching you.😮 to bench watching you during school. 😅 keep it up flair❤
Do clay, bentonite, another layer of clay THEN put down liner, followed by another 3 layers of clay/bentonite.
"We are infact going with...
SHEEEW!
You could install a bunch of those telephone pole logs to mimic those prime bass fields of dead trees sticking out of the water
Big Jr should go hunt frogs with the 50 cal when the pond is done.
Do the bentonite and second clay layer. Make sure when you fill you don't erode channels in your clay liner. You need a hose to the bottom and some sort of concrete pad to dissipate the water flow .
Excellent point!
I wouldn’t put in a shelf. If you want to prevent aquatic vegetation problems in the future make it fairly steep. The Iowa DNR has some good resources for pond design.
Just like big junior said. Foolproof. Spend the money and get it done right. Ik that you know if you skimp out and cut corners things get messed up. Just finish it out flair. With the content you make on fishing the pong you’ll get a little bit of payback maybe not full but either way.
Put rocks in the deep areas for the walleye if you are putting them in
Love your unique style, never change!
Shut up bot. Get a new gig
Screw the bentonite. Take the extra $100K and build a mega waterslide from the second story balcony on the house to the pond! 😂
super long slip-n-slide.....hells yeah
Flair, I'm 56 years old and one thing I have learned is that if you want something to last, you do it right. Put on the bentonite and second layer of clay. Then you won't have any nagging doubts about if you should've. I've had to learn the hard way many times in my life. When you invest now, you won't have to pay double later.
You should take tarps and have the water flow down them all the way to the bottom while you’re filling or you could potentially use some sort of smaller rocks and make a trail
Fill the pond first if it leaks add the bentonite you can add it with water in the pound you just need to add it close to the leak the water will pull the bentonite in the hole and seal it
On top of bentonite and clay, you should also keep the pigs in the "unfilled" pond for a few months to compact the ground. If you want to fish- make sure there are plenty of bushes and trees around the pond and plenty of water plants (variety and plants which sit at different depths is important) and plenty of good sized rocks in the pond in order to maximise your fish population. Fish need places to hide and consistent water temperature and these all combine to ensure that your water temperature is stable by providing plenty of dappled shade and protect the water from algae bloom. Overly warm water temperature will also affect the fertility of your fish. The greenery in and around the pond also keeps the banks stable, protect your land from flooding and also protect the pond from nutrients seeping into the water from the surrounding areas - which is a huge concern when you keep animals on the land and believe me when I am tell you that nutrients can seep into the pond from over 15 metres away even if you have a line of trees between the water and source of fertilization. You can get additional benefits from this, by planting fruit bearing species which will benefit from absorbing those nutrients. Also in terms of structure, it is worth building creating a nursery area/ several nursery areas- so you would have the spawning area, with a nursery area with a barrier of rocks and reeds protecting it, so that after hatching, baby fish have an area to escape to where the larger fish cannot access.
So the pigs can root up all the clay he just put down? No. Lol
You could just do a double layer of clay. Stumps in the middle. Kinda give you some summer flipping in the summer
Flair should get a water trampoline for the pond
You should've done a small-scale test. Dig 3 holes line one with just clay, one with clay and bentonite, and then one with all 3 and fill them up.
Not the same ratio of thickness of clay vs the weight of thousands of gallons of water
So you do 2 inches of clay instead of 6. You can create small-scale tests. Scientists do it all the time
@@Monster69540 does clay act the same if it's only 1" thick vs. 6" thick what's the pressure differential in 2' water to 15' . You could do it but that's some science to do.. A college could set it up.
I remember a saying about how there is never enough time to do it right, but there is always enough time to do it over. Dude, You have the chance, and your pond is in an area where the soil is like a sieve. Bama Bass has soil conditions that are way better, so he really didn't have to do as much. If you don't want to add the layer of bentonite and additional layer of clay, sell this place, move somewhere where the soil is clay heavy, and be done with it. Otherwise my guy, just suck it up and do it right with the bentonite and second layer of clay while you got the chance. By summer, you'll be stocking a solid pond with fish. Just my $.02.
Cement the bottom of the pond and forget about it 😂
Uh ohhh BEFFCAKE CONSTRUCTION back at it
To test, chop the clay up in a wheel barrel with a shovel ,add water & hoe until it's like cement. Now let it dry until like thick putty & make a bowl with a 1" thick wall & place it in a hole dug in the ground. Measure how much water fills it. Cover to stop evaporation & wait 24 hrs. Now check & measure how much water remains. Compute how much water leaked & was lost. Now divide that by 12 to estimate what 12" thick clay would leak.
Dont make waste of the money you spent on the first layer of clay by skipping the bentonite & filling it. If it doesnt hold,once soaked by water the clay will "creep eroded" down into the bottom & it will be like starting all over. "YES GET THE BENTONITE & 2ND LAYER OF CLAY! Before the first layer goes waste!
Not the same thing that amount of water weight in a filled pond will press and eat away at anything.
You're manipulating the clay before the test. It's not the same as dumping loads and running over it with a bulldozer. There's going to be cracks all in the clay as it sets now. Did you see the giant clod Banjo came up with? You could get a better seal running over it with rollers mashing everything together.
But the bentonite will fill in the cracks and make a seal.
@@p_campbellyes & no. All clay perks some,some (usually sand content) leaks or perks alot more. The added wieght compresses it much more than atmospheric pressure & it leaks or perks less than it would at atmospheric pressure. The testing should have been done before installation to see if it was good enough & how much to use. The test is just to see if its worthless. Some clay is near worthless,others like I have around me won't let leach fields work or let water get into the well as I have here with swamp less than 100 feet away on 3 sides. At 52 feet deep surrounded by swamp & standing year round water this 6" dia well will only let in 60 gallons per 24 hours. Thats why there is standing water. At 52 feet, a vacant hole, the clay & water are both under great pressure. The water has no choice but to be forced to that hole or well. Nope, ain't happening there are 3 wells here & they are all the same because that compressed clay won't give. Well driller told me it's a waste of time & money,wait for city water, not to mention the water sucks!
@@user-ib3fj7pd9w your comparing two different things. But no worries
I’m with big jr on this one. You’re in a spot where you can create a pond that never leaks for decades and decades. You will watch your kids enjoy this pond for their entire lives. Then you can look back and say “dang I’m glad I did it right the first time” lol
With the time and expense put into this pond already I believe it would be in your best interest to just do this right. Lay the bentonite and the extra clay layers and enjoy it. Less headaches and overall less expense.
Flair for president 2024
He's not old enough!
I say do it the right way don’t half ass it and end up with a leaky hole 😮
You gotta have a “the bush dreams are made of” somewhere in the middle.
I’ve seen it to many times where friends have tried to go the cheap route and it more often than not blows up in their face and they end up spending more to fix it right. In this case, water has weight and will be pushing on your base so it could leak. In previous videos you mentioned that your water pumping volume is minimal so if you have a leak and you can’t pump water in enough to keep a consistent height you’ll be back to fixing it.
If you have the budget to do it with all the layers now I would, that way you can move forward with all the dock/tackle shop plans asap worry free.
Just my two cents.