@@MunroLive 7:03 it's definitely picking the left lane because you're going through the roundabout like stated in the video and the reason why it does this is because if there's traffic trying to enter the roundabout they can enter from the far right lane and you're not obstructing their entrance point... its actually quite nice.
Tesla states on their website, "Autopilot and Full Self-Driving capability are intended for use with a fully attentive driver, who has their hands on the wheel and is prepared to take over at any moment. While these features are designed to become more capable over time, the currently enabled features do not make the vehicle autonomous." That's why Sue's hands are on the steering wheel, so she can safely intervene if needed.
I am always attentive but I don’t always have my hands on the steering wheel I allow some vehicle autonomous do its parts on the highways and side roads Tesla does great job better than dream drive and blue cruise and others including Waymo which is remotely controlled and geo fenced maps. Tesla FSD is year ahead!!
Having your hands on the wheel can interfere with movement of the wheel and accidentally override FSD turning it off. That would lead to the driver thinking it was engaged and it just going straight ahead. The driver should have their hand next to, but not holding the wheel. Comments show she is a nervous driver with FSD. The car behaved perfectly and followed the law, even at the point she believed was a "mishap". The car waited until the lane was big enough for the car to fit before changing lanes. It will always err on the side of caution. Humans are not perfect, nor are FSD systems. There will always be unexpected events. Achieving more miles between accidents than human drivers is the proper metric for determining success, which Tesla has far exceeded (more than 10x's). We cannot let an occasional accident derail these achievements.
I have watched numerous FSD videos and this is the first one where the person behind the wheel used the system correctly by keeping hands on the wheel. Bravo!🙌
Sue - just an FYI ... when it gets into a parking lot, you have to take it out of FSD in order for it to then recognize parking spaces (and you need to be going 8 mph or slower, too).
Doesn’t it seem strange you must disengage FSD to do auto park? Why doesn’t it request auto park and if you don’t respond in 15 sec take away the offer.
If the architecture of the road system is good it will work great. And if people around it are good drivers it will take advantage of that or whatever passive version of that expression would be.
Sue videos are always great, I think one of the intersections they went may be a Double Crossover Diamond Interchange or Diverging Diamond Interchange which is "relatively" new, we have had a few in Arizona since 2020. I have watched numerous FSD drive along videos and Sue's narration was very instructive.
Your drive is similar to my experience. FSD 13.6 has some issues but the biggest issue is the maps not the technolgy, i.e. it does not always know here it has to go. The other days I drove ove 60 miles on a poor quality seconday road with lots going on. The mapping parts was simple and I didn't need to intervene once. This app rocks but will need work to be used without a driver.
excellent video and matches my 12.3.6 experience. I've driven hundreds of miles under it and rarely intervene (and when I do, it usually because it's in a turn only lane and doesn't realize it yet). I have noticed that when you reach your destination FSD and the navigation doesn't automatically end. That's why it's not offering parking suggestions until Sue intervenes. Looking forward to 12.4!
Thrilled to have Sue on this FSD Supervised drive! Thanks so much. It's great seeing engineers driving Tesla's FSD (beta/supervised). The next 2 versions are expected to be major leaps forward as well. Hope you can review them too... with less embarrassing moments. But, being slow and cautious is far better than fast and reckless! Lotsa love to all ❤❤❤ PS I'd have bailed out from the construction trucks too.
Most people think that you need to periodically put pressure on, or jiggle, the wheel while you’re in FSD or auto pilot. However, another option is to move the right scroll (speed control) wheel up or down a notch. This has little noticeable effect on the driving, but resets the attention timer. I prefer this approach because the car won’t think that you are trying to take over like it does if you push too hard on the wheel.
I took My Model Y with the trial FSD v 12.3.6 on a 90 minute drive each way from the country through the city and into the suburbs. The FDS was near flawless. Acceleration and lane changing was great. It even turned right on red when the cross traffic had a protected left turn. I was amazed as in navigated a toll booth. Although it was a little timid exiting the toll booth. I assume it was because there were no lane lines. I did have to intervine a few times on exit ramps.
@@DerekDavis213 Absolutely NOT ! It is "supervised" FSD and you must have a watchful eye. Some of my trips have zero disengagements. Some others, I have 2-3, mainly becasue I'm not comfortable with it's decision.
@@johnpoldo8817 I have watched many FSD v12 reviews on UA-cam. In big cities like LA, NYC, or Chicago there are many interventions and disengagements. FSD is still quite primitive, it is nothing like a *human* *driver* .
@@DerekDavis213 Derek, I used to think like you, but after trying it on the difficult streets of Boston, it is far from primitive and actually pretty good. But, you must supervise it. Agree, it is not as good as a human driver.
@@johnpoldo8817 _FSD is far from primitive and actually pretty good._ FSD still fails at so many common road tasks - understand signs: DO NOT ENTER, ROAD CLOSED slowing for speed bumps, consistently obeying the posted speed limit avoid potholes or broken glass in the road multi-level parking structures reacting to Police cars or Ambulances .
I've been using FSD 12.3.6 on every drive and I rarely have to intervene. That said there are occasional unexpected actions. I find shadows from trees in city driving sometimes make it think there's a speed bump so it can slow down for no reason. Also map guidance isn't always in sync with chosen route. In very complicated highway exchanges I have to watch that it gets into the correct lane. 95% of the time it's fine. We're 5 drivers and even my wife uses it on every highway drive.
Thanks for doing this video. It would be clearer that FSD is doing the steering if you could avoid gripping the steering wheel and let the wheel slip through your hands. Maybe even drive with one hand lower on the wheel and just pinch the wheel with your thumb and forefinger and let the wheel slip through. Give it a little tug every so often and let us know that's what you just did, or just drag on the wheel when it turns (but don't move your hand). Not a big deal, but it's not obvious that FSD is doing the steering when both your hands are on the wheel and your hands turn with the wheel. BTW- I've found that with 12.3.6, on some roads, as long as I keep looking at the road, even with sunglasses, I can drive a long time without being nagged. I recently drove about 5 miles on a twisty mountain road without ever touching the wheel!
We like the videos of honest and caring people like Sue and Sandy. We also love Sandy because he is so knowledgeable about technology, and Sue because she is a down-to-earth woman with no pretensions. Sue and Sandy will be great no matter what they do. I hope they have children like themselves.
Just wondering if this is a big benefit for older and less confident drivers? When you get older your reflexes and vision (especially at night) degrade. New drivers, even if they pass their initial driving test, can be uncertain due to lack of experience. Or, could FSD just create a dependency and false security on the software?
I am in my late 80s and love fsd. It works well in my town where there are good street markings. I know locations where it has hiccups so extra careful there.
Good for handicapped people too. Have a friend who is epileptic and can't drive because of it. Getting old myself and looking forward to autonomous vehicles extending my driving both day and night.
@@lestermarshall6501 Didn't think about that. Also, having FSD take you to the emergency room would probably be a lot cheaper than what an ambulance costs these days (in the USA)!
"FSD (supervised)" will need competent, fit, aware supervisors, ready to react at any time, so with very good reflexes. And there is a new type of experience required: the experience, when FSD supervised will likely perform well and when it likely will not. Like Sue at the sharp left turn, where she anticipates the bad performance of FSD supervised. I do not know, why she still let's the car get in the wrong lane, but obviously she rather acts as a car test driver there, not as a truly responsible driver. FMPOV, she should have intervened there earlier. Her supervision is better at the construction zone on the highway: she does not trust it and takes over early, indicating right, forcing a reaction of the car. And glad she did: the manual explicitly says that FSD is not yet designed to handle constructions sites. People that want to get rid of the supervision task for a lack of driving abilities: wait for real Level 4 or 5 systems on the SAE J3016 level system.
For the goal of ‘Full Self-Driving (Supervised),’ the focus should be on the ability to travel from point A to B without intervention, accidents, or unpredictable behaviors. As long as self-driving cars share the roads with human drivers, the appropriate metric for success should emphasize high-quality roadmanship. This involves ensuring smooth and efficient traffic flow through mutual understanding, patience, and consideration among drivers, especially in challenging situations not explicitly covered by traffic laws, which occur frequently in high congestion, construction-laden, and accident-prone routes. While this metric is tougher to quantify, it would encompass miles driven without accidents, along with the other variables previously mentioned. Critiquing these scenarios is important and appropriate for this video, which focuses on the overall progression of the capabilities of FSD. As @MooseOnEarth mentioned, the goal is to achieve level 5 automation, hopefully within this decade. Interventions provide valuable training data that is used to evolve the system. The NHTSA website does an excellent job of describing the challenges and goals that have been set, including the benefits of each successive level. They also provide a FAQ section that explicitly answers questions about how automation can aid elderly drivers.
Try that in San Benito County, in Hollister - the 'Turbo roundabout' there, many potholes around town, and generally poor asphalt causes FSD and Autopilot to give up or make mistakes on every drive. Tesla should use our town as a test subject.
Really great video, Sue seems unbiased in her review of FSD and I think she was spot on. I've had it for a while now, its weird to drive a car after a while.
Thank you for taking the time to review FSD v12.3.6. Voices like yours are especially valuable in getting the word out on FSD! Had a similar marvelous experience using FSD v12.3.6 to drive my family around the state of Washington this past weekend. Can barely wait for FSD v12.4 which is expected via a free over-the-air update soon.
nice to hear the feed back from a slightly older person such as myself and a females opinion. I live in Canada and have the same types of drives. its isn't always perfect as far as smoothness and comfortability. I haven't had a " safety" critical disengagement in sometime. We know it's only going to keep getting better.. thanks to the Munro Team for all you do and to Tesla for outstanding products. The old days and maybe even still take your BMW in for Map upgrade see what it cost? Tesla gives so much value to you after you bought your car. People often ask me how do you like your Tesla and I always reply the car I have today is better then the car I bought in 2021 and its the same car.
I did the recent 30-day fsd trial, and, for the most part, I was very impressed; however, since I don’t live in a major metro area where you may need aggressive acceleration for merging in traffic, I would have preferred an option to slow down sooner at an intersection as well as not rocketing to speed with little or no traffic. If I need to slow or accelerate quickly, I’d like the option to use the brake or accelerator as needed. That said, there were so many amazing things that it did, I can now understand Tesla’s vision based system may be the best to really achieve autonomous driving in the future. Thanks for this video. It was great to hear Sue’s take on fsd.
Depending on the version, there may be an option to tell FSD to drive more or less aggressively. I kept mine on the least aggressive setting for the first year, then medium starting the second year. That resulted in slower acceleration and more gradual braking than in the most aggressive mode.
@@johnmichael4504 I did make sure I was in “chill” mode as well as full regen braking. It’s possible my 2020 MY didn’t have the computing power of newer models.
_I would have preferred an option to slow down sooner at an intersection as well as not rocketing to speed with little or no traffic._ Tesla has stated that these "comfort" issues will be addressed in v12.4, now in the hands of employee testers.
Well done, I also like how the car navigates to the left line when passing large Semi 's giving an extra measure of safety. We also had no problems with Roundabouts recently on our 2800 mile trip on 12.3.6. I noticed you had the car in "Assertive" rather than "Chill" which was notable.
Every FSD tester should first name the car model, model year, sensor suite (radar present? ultrasonic sensors present? What version of the cameras: resulution, greyscale or RGB color), FSD version and FSD settings and likely the town or area they drive in. Only then, a viewer gets the necessary information in a nutshell.
Thanks, Sue, for providing a no-hype review by someone who has read the user manual and is not a super-fan or hyper-critic looking for clicks. My experience since 2019 has been that it was always more relaxing to let the car help drive on long freeway trips, and each update reduced the number of hyper-safe glitches - such as abruptly slowing down once in a while. I live in a major city with both aggressive and timid drivers, so it was less stressful not to use FSD locally until Version 12. That transition provided much more human-like driving, including recognizing and slowing down appropriately for speed bumps, smoother roundabouts, and the bias away from large trucks and any vehicle riding the lane line or bouncing from one line to the other. Not perfect in all weird circumstances, so I too supervise vigilantly.
Sue is so awesome! I would love to see more segments like this one. She starts off by referring to her Tesla as a “her/she” but quickly switches to “it”. Maybe after someone honked at her 😂
Flashing yellow light on intersections late at night causes my MS to slow down to 15 mph and almost come to complete stop. Could easily get rear ended. When getting off on highway off-ramps, FSD slows down way too late and has caught me grabbing the wheel with my car going 70 mph into a hairpin turn getting off the highway on the exit. Other than those two issues, FSD has been pretty good.
Nice job Sue Okray!👍 Everything I saw you were clear precise with everything you talked about you neither bashed when it made a mistake or didn’t do something quick enough or hyped it up either you remain calm in all the situations and never embellished anything, but informed us of what was going on what you wanted to do and what you expected from the drive thank you for sharing to me. This shows me why your president of Monroe & associates though I’ve never been quite as high-level as you. It’s everything I would want to see from just moments of meeting you through this video says this is why you’re in charge as president of the company. If you have that same mentality as he showed in this video I’m sure the customers love you on the high end as well as employees. Thank you again hope to see you in another video down the roadwith more FSD talk and demonstration.
Wow! Way to go Tesla! Continue leading the way towards making FSD a reality. I have always been a fan of Tesla...now I have become a fan of Sue as well. You're such a perfect ambassador for Tesla FSD. Hope to see you more in MunroLive.
Coming up to 5 years waiting for FSD in Australian Fully paid...kinda glad you guys have been the GuineaPigs, but we are keen now ! Sue is the star of Monroe!
Interesting to see how it handles roundabouts, given how infrequent they are in North America (starting to see more in the Toronto burbs). They also vary a lot in design.
There seems to be something about the roads around me, in particular the way that lane markings are done, where it struggles with choosing the correct lane, and it doesn't handle right turn acceleration lanes merging with through traffic. I also have regular issues with it it not responding to speed change sighs. Waiting for 12.4.0............
As someone who lives in Boston I'd be interested to see how it handles hardmode. This worked well but this drive looked pretty idyllic and uncomplicated.
I live about 5 miles down Opdyke Rd from your office, so the roads and interchanges are all very familiar to me. I grew up in a Boston suburb. While your demo drive did involve some challenging geometry such as the University Drive crossover and a few roundabouts, I'd like to see how it would handle rush hour traffic and/or New England's tighter, less well marked roads. What would have happened if there had been a 2 mile backup approaching your interstate exit?
Awesome! I use my FSD all the time in Colorado including back roads of the Rockies Mountains Nederland and Boulder.FSD is really Good and better by the versions.
It's important to note that the highway driving is still done by an old version of autopilot from before the beta release. Elon has tweeted that 12.4 will use one single code stack for all driving including highway. So expect highway driving to improve with the next release.
I actually have to intervene a few times each drive, mostly due to rude/impatient/bad drivers & unclear/lack of road markings that confuse FSD when there are no other cars to follow. Oh, it also doesn't see the black gate into my community at night, but sees it fine during day. I need to get my Tesla some night driving glasses.
The "night driving glasses" would be radar sensors, here: a front radar. But Elon refuses to spend money on it, even disabled the existing radar sensor in older cars, and also refuses to have an extended sensor suite as optional equipment that a customer could choose. It is already predictable that FSD performance at night or in rain will be much worse. The newer Model S and X have newer "4D" high-res radar, but it is unclear, whether this sensor is already used. Model 3+Y did not receive it yet.
You can adjust profile by chill, average, assertive. Assertive is more aggressive especially on the freeway. There is also a version that always going more with flow of traffic vs just limited speeds.
It’s an amazing feature. U turns can be hit or miss as so many turns of wheel when moving slowly. I am sure with electric steering no issues. But being nit picky
FSD on my Model Y is a terror. It stops by itself, can’t handle winding roads with cars parked to the sides (it thinks that they are a hazard, even though they’re parked to the side of the road. It also takes me on side street to my home, which is slower and more dangerous than the primary road. And, on a round about, it swings to the right, confusing other drivers. It is not ready for prime time.
Thank you for posting. I was an Elon/Tesla fan boy for more than 3-years. Paid $10,000 (on my $70k YP) because I'm an OLD IT guy (BS-Computer Science; MSEE-Digital Systems) and I was of the opinion that I should help pay for development. Now I'd join a class action lawsuit to get my $10k back...and I'd then pay $99/mo when FSD-Unsupervised finally landed. I tested software for a system that controlled nuclear weapons, so I have an understanding of when software is "good enough" -- and, yes, I understand enough about neural networks AI to know how rapidly they CAN improve. I used FSD-whatever in 2021 and 2022 to do CA-NJ-CA road trips. In 2023 to do a collection of national parks. Never really trusted it unless on Interstates...and even then, the lane changes were often downright DUMB and disruptive. I took the latest version out this week between Ventura and SanFran, ordered FSD to drive often and I hate to report that it was not good. Would have even caused an accident had I not braked hard at an intersection. This software is a LONG WAY before I would trust my own or my family's well-being using FSD.
@@DerekDavis213a lot of places there are no signs humans just assume the speed limit like where I get on the highway there is no speed limit sign for 1/4 mile or so. The car has to see it every time. Of course I can override it but some memory seems to be needed…
@@michaelsmithers4900 This is not true with the latest versions on FSD Supervised, the car does not really solely on traffic signs, it uses other data such as average speeds of other traffic to adjust the speed accordingly. The car certainly does not have to see it every time.
True, but current Supervised version picks up roadway striping that is so faint, I can’t make it out with human eyes. It does slow down quickly if it crests a hill and all markings disappear abruptly because it’s been resurfaced but not RE striped yet.
Watching this is crazy thinking my car can do that too. I was so happy getting the matrix high beams enabled. Getting FSD would be mind blowing. Just Europe has to wake up...
@ChristophBerg-vi5yr I read somewhere that the European Union will make some changes in the law in October to allow cars to intervene more by themselves, so in some months FINALLY we will see more developments 👏👏👏
@ 6:20 you should have remarked that right turn on red is NOT a requirement. I would call that a disagreement, but not a fault. The car will likely NEVER drive like individual people do.
And making phone calls to whoever the hell is responsible for filling them in and telling them to get off their asses and fill them in before they get bigger
unless there is a huge break through in computer vision, it's unlikely it will see a dramatic improvement. For humans potholes are easy, computer have a hard time with potholes.
After driving in the states through many 4 way stops, roundabouts are the easiest thing in the world. Here in Australia, there are roundabouts everywhere. Far less chance for accidents.
Thanks Sue - Well done. I have one comment/question... Minimal Lane Change on the most recent FSD update is much less "minimal" than prior FSD versions. What is your experience with Minimal Lane change? Plus I wish TESLA would allow selecting Minimal Lane Changes as default versus being able to select it only on the current drive.
I'm curious, while in FSD when you intervene and manually do lane change signal blinker will the car still complete the lane change if there's another car that the driver didn't see in that lane you are turning into ?
While the latest version of FSD is great, I am still experiencing issues. In light rain, the vehicle will start phantom braking. This is new, I did not experience this in the previous weeks prior. In my neighborhood, it is too aggressive and I've had to rescue it from running into driveway posts. It's definitely better but not ready for robotaxis.
So amazing it's almost hard to believe that this is real right? Go Tesla you got this! ⚡⚡ On another note my only major concern about FSD is that it's video only based technology, what will happen if one or more cameras is blocked by something like road grime, bugs, ice and or snow? Any thoughts on this Monroe and Associates? To assure this will not be an issue I'm assuming they are going to need to put in camera cleaners of some sort especially the rear one where it's dirt and grime and ice buildup is worst.
_what will happen if one or more cameras is blocked bysomething like road grime, bugs, ice and or snow??_ Pretty much the same thing that happens if your windshield or side windows are blocked by "something like road grime, bugs, ice and or snow"; FSD will be degraded until you clean the camera, just as you'd have to do with your windshield or side windows.
@@BigBen621 good point, I guess it's autonomous but may still require human assistance. Just remember that we can see out the back window but the car only has a outer rear camera. I'm going to guess that the robotaxi might very well have a in car camera with a rear wiper to clear it's vision if necessary.
I live in a city with a lot of roundabouts, and I hate that our Tesla's FSD doesn't signal its left turns and exits from the roundabouts as it should. Most people don't either, but the car should be better than that.
I just finished my promo month. I was flabbergasted. It tackled streets, highways, construction zones and detours. FSD is here. And it is a better driver than me.
To be frank - in a situation where the only way to go is to turn right and there's a traffic light, I'd assume there's no right-on-red and stay put as well. But I don't know all the rules in the US, I've only been driving for 30 years in Germany. ;-)
Great review, but I wanna see where the car has to do some quick defensive maneuvers. Why doesn't anyone cut in front of you while doing a review? Or someone in the next lane try to merge into you? Can the FSD honk?
Mentally alert gal. Way better than I am at age 79. She sure handled that computer screen better than I would have, but would love to give it a try. Nicely done.
Couple round-abouts to test v12.3.6? Nothing exciting there, the FSD is flawless in every round-about scenario I've thrown at it. But FSD 12.3.6 is far from flawless in my region of northern New England with endless paved and dirt roads containing blind corners, hill round-overs, short horizon lines, close roadside trees/brush/boulders, and endless dirt mountain roads with endless edge cases. Yeah, FSD still requires many interventions in a 10 mile trip to stay away from the soft, gravelly shoulders of dirt roads, and maintain a course of travel more towards center of dirt road, rather than edge of dirt road near shoulder. Much safer in center, move aside when encountering (rare) opposing traffic, then move back to center of road.
I live in a gravel road that’s about 1.5 lane wide. 12.3.6 does want to hug the edge more than 11 did, but it does a better job reading the road than what the map says should be there.
8:00 FSD 12.3.6 does not find parking at the destination. That is an anticipated feature that is in testing so perhaps in the next release we might see that. For now, as you saw once the brake pedal was pressed it did disengage FSD and immediately present parking options before you put it in reverse. Same at the end of the video, as soon as steering override disengaged it showed parking options. I have noticed on previous versions that it only turned to the nearest lane but with the current version it does sometimes turn directly into other lanes when possible so that is getting better.
And MSM dared to say Tesla was dead last in the autonomy technology 🤣 Literally no other company's car can do this without pre-mapped HD maps and even then, they have actual people remotely driving your car 🤣
It's ridiculous how much hate & misinformation is out there. My neighbor still thought FSD is a dangerous baby-killing feature until I gave him a ride--his mind was blown after 🤯. My sister in VA still thinks it's prone to cause garage fires cuz it happened to "a friend of a friend of a friend" many times! No matter what I say, it doesn't hold as much weight as her "friend of a friend of a friend's 1st hand garage fire."
@@sebastianbenner977 There was an article that ranked Tesla's FSD dead last in regards to safety. It was based on a study that didn't even test the actual driving capabilites, but really dumb "safety features'. Lexus ranked #1 cuz the seat rumbles to alert driver when it changes lanes...something like that.
7:53 - I believe the parking spots will only show up once you come to a complete stop. The 2024.14+ update changed this so they will show up as soon as they're detected and you're going below a certain speed, but only about 1/3 of all Tesla's have received that update. 10:54 - In my experience, FSD still does not recognize construction/lane ending signs on the highway. I'm not sure what it would do if the driver doesn't intervene since I never let mine get that far. I would expect it to switch lanes once it detects the obstruction, but only at the very last moment. Worst case it emergency brakes. FSD still uses the old Enhanced Auto Pilot code for highway driving, so it's not as competent on the highway as it is on city streets.
My route home has a city street being replaced, so FSD has many opportunities to learn about closed lanes. It appears that the flashing lights cause a general “slow and edge over” but the cones are what it really guides on.
You are incorrect about auto park. Her problem was that she was still in FSD when trying to automatic park. In order to do auto park you have to be in manual drive and traveling below 8 mph and the spots will show up
@@CYCLEGAMER1 I'm not so sure about that. Ever since I had FSD V12, it would never show the parking spots until the car was completely stopped, even when FSD was off. Then as soon as I got the 2024.14.8 update, the spots would show up even while driving.
@@seanplace8192 I am VERY sure about that…I have 2 separate Teslas with FSD on two separate hardware configurations and software branches and neither one of them have to be at a full stop for the parking spots to show up. If you like I can prove it here on UA-cam or on Twitter/X. Just let me know within the next 30 min
FSD 12.3.6 is a mixed bag for me. I have to say my driving environment is more crowded than the road condition on this video (and I'm not talking about rush hours, certainly not after midnight too). What annoys me, is that right out of my house, After left turn, there is a 600feet away intersection, I need to turn right, but the car always picks up the left lane, and move to right one quite late, the right late splits into 2 lanes, by the time the car changed away from left lane, it realized the new split out right turn lane has passed dotted into a solid line, after a jerk (yes it always jerks) , it then refuse to cross the now solid line, and misses the right turn. Often, lane changing is fine, but sometimes the car is irrational, e,g,, when the next lane car is so far behind, the car does nothing, upon the car approaching from behind, it decides to change lane as if trying to do cut it off, then realized is too dangerous, after back and forth jerking -- which is unsafe on freeway with high speed , it cancels lane chaning, pissing off drivers for both cars behind on the 2 lanes. So far, using FSD, I'm like driving school teacher.
If the roads in the US were all well marked FSD would really have no problem. If towns, states and feds would implement a law on road markings FSD could be tomorrow
There is number of edits in this video, obviously. For several actions, like also the steering wheel wiggling back and forth quickly, there is no explanation.
So at 9:30 it actually failed the round about. It was supposed to enter in the inner lane because the outer lane is ment to go straight. If a different car was using the inner lane it would of panicked and needed intervention.
@@DerekDavis213 Indeed he has always been late. Just look at the Cybertruck delays or the Roadster model 2. However he has always eventually delivered what others said could not be accomplished. It has gotten to where if Elon starts something other companies rush in to try and do the same under the assumption that if Elon is pursuing it then it must be doable and lucrative.
@@nickmcconnell1291 Elon promised SELF driving in 2016, and today it still does not work. It requires human *supervision* . Elon also said 1 million humans on Mars by 2050. What do you think of that?
@@DerekDavis213 What I think is that no other person or business is even trying or is even close to doing any of this. For them it is impossible or too expensive. If they can't do it in a year or make profit on it right away they are not interested. Only Elon is trying to take this on and make the "impossible" real. Do I like all his politics or some of his temper tantrums? Not at all, but to all accounts Frank Lloyd Wright was also an absolute prima dona jerk.... and yet look at what he built. Elon has big dreams for what humanity can attain and the engineering skills to do them.... I'm onboard because I have the same dreams.
@@nickmcconnell1291 Actually, Elon has zero engineering training or skills. He hires the engineering talent. And the idea of 1 million humans living on Mars in 26 short years is fricking *absurd* . Ask any engineer or scientist, and they will give you 10 reasons why a Mars colony is a bad idea. Elan is a salesman, a grifter. Let's be honest.
_Why are you always holding the steering wheel?_ As noted in the pinned comment, this is what Tesla says you *should* do, although few actually do so. By the way, lest you think she, and not FSD, is actually driving, look at the path prediction line that extends ahead of the car when it's in motion. If it's blue, FSD is in control; and it's blue for almost the entire drive.
@@BigBen621 What im talking about is when you are driving on a single-lane road that splits into 2 lanes, rather than staying in the right lane regardless of the traffic, it'll go to the left lane. Or when you're driving on the highway and you overtake a slower car in the right lane, the car will change lanes as usual, but it wont put you back in the right lane. I understand that I can force a lane change. I also understand that if a car wants to overtake you and you're in the left lane, the car will change to the right lane. I know i'm nitpicking, but I don't like to speed and I wish they could address it.
@@Bueno226 OK, I see where you're coming from, and I don't think you're being nitpicking. But the best way to bring about change is to disengage when it stays in the left lane, report the reason, and then re-engage and force the lane change with the turn signal. If you just put up with it, it's much less likely to get corrected.
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I watched so many FSD videos but this lady's commentary is just great, like you have done it thousands of times, thanks.
Wow, thank you!
@@MunroLive 7:03 it's definitely picking the left lane because you're going through the roundabout like stated in the video and the reason why it does this is because if there's traffic trying to enter the roundabout they can enter from the far right lane and you're not obstructing their entrance point... its actually quite nice.
Roundabouts require cooperation and synchronization without any fear which is something we can't do very well in America...
@@MunroLive11:00 OMG SMH for the sake of data analysis... i can't believe you second guessed yourself...
@@AquarianSoulTimeTravelervery well? More like not at all 🤣😜
I trust no body on these roads 😅
I just can’t believe this technology exists today. Sue is a fantastic reviewer. Speaks clearly, is concise, and has a pleasant voice as a bonus!
Thank you
I agree
@@MunroLive I think she should be the channels desinated reviewer
She is not a technology, she is a person who existed even yesterday im pretty sure.
It's silly tech for lazy people. I love driving, and would have parked in less than half the time the FSD did. smh
Tesla states on their website, "Autopilot and Full Self-Driving capability are intended for use with a fully attentive driver, who has their hands on the wheel and is prepared to take over at any moment. While these features are designed to become more capable over time, the currently enabled features do not make the vehicle autonomous." That's why Sue's hands are on the steering wheel, so she can safely intervene if needed.
I am always attentive but I don’t always have my hands on the steering wheel I allow some vehicle autonomous do its parts on the highways and side roads Tesla does great job better than dream drive and blue cruise and others including Waymo which is remotely controlled and geo fenced maps. Tesla FSD is year ahead!!
Having your hands on the wheel can interfere with movement of the wheel and accidentally override FSD turning it off. That would lead to the driver thinking it was engaged and it just going straight ahead. The driver should have their hand next to, but not holding the wheel.
Comments show she is a nervous driver with FSD. The car behaved perfectly and followed the law, even at the point she believed was a "mishap". The car waited until the lane was big enough for the car to fit before changing lanes. It will always err on the side of caution.
Humans are not perfect, nor are FSD systems. There will always be unexpected events. Achieving more miles between accidents than human drivers is the proper metric for determining success, which Tesla has far exceeded (more than 10x's). We cannot let an occasional accident derail these achievements.
If you have to keep your hands on the wheel at all times what’s the point of FSD?
Sandy, no FLIR....thoughts?
I have watched numerous FSD videos and this is the first one where the person behind the wheel used the system correctly by keeping hands on the wheel. Bravo!🙌
Sue - just an FYI ... when it gets into a parking lot, you have to take it out of FSD in order for it to then recognize parking spaces (and you need to be going 8 mph or slower, too).
Doesn’t it seem strange you must disengage FSD to do auto park? Why doesn’t it request auto park and if you don’t respond in 15 sec take away the offer.
@@johnpoldo8817- I agree, but I'm fairly sure that this is how it'll work in the near future ... If not v12. 4, then very likely in v12. 5
@@polarlight1369 yeah it’s still part of the old software that hasn’t been added into the new part.
Completed almost 10 days now of 30-45 minute commutes in Montreal. It works so well here for some reason. Still can't believe it's real.
If the architecture of the road system is good it will work great. And if people around it are good drivers it will take advantage of that or whatever passive version of that expression would be.
Sue videos are always great, I think one of the intersections they went may be a Double Crossover Diamond Interchange or Diverging Diamond Interchange which is "relatively" new, we have had a few in Arizona since 2020. I have watched numerous FSD drive along videos and Sue's narration was very instructive.
Full Self Park is one of the best parts of driving my Tesla. I put my hands up, especially if there’s someone around.
Good job Tesla, good job Sue.
We don't get to see enough of Sue.
That's because Sue's doesn't enjoy being in front of the camera.
@@MunroLive A shame because she's really good at it
@@MunroLive Too bad because she should have her own UA-cam channel. She's articulate and has great hair.
Your drive is similar to my experience. FSD 13.6 has some issues but the biggest issue is the maps not the technolgy, i.e. it does not always know here it has to go. The other days I drove ove 60 miles on a poor quality seconday road with lots going on. The mapping parts was simple and I didn't need to intervene once. This app rocks but will need work to be used without a driver.
excellent video and matches my 12.3.6 experience. I've driven hundreds of miles under it and rarely intervene (and when I do, it usually because it's in a turn only lane and doesn't realize it yet).
I have noticed that when you reach your destination FSD and the navigation doesn't automatically end. That's why it's not offering parking suggestions until Sue intervenes.
Looking forward to 12.4!
Thrilled to have Sue on this FSD Supervised drive! Thanks so much. It's great seeing engineers driving Tesla's FSD (beta/supervised). The next 2 versions are expected to be major leaps forward as well. Hope you can review them too... with less embarrassing moments. But, being slow and cautious is far better than fast and reckless! Lotsa love to all ❤❤❤ PS I'd have bailed out from the construction trucks too.
Most people think that you need to periodically put pressure on, or jiggle, the wheel while you’re in FSD or auto pilot. However, another option is to move the right scroll (speed control) wheel up or down a notch. This has little noticeable effect on the driving, but resets the attention timer. I prefer this approach because the car won’t think that you are trying to take over like it does if you push too hard on the wheel.
_another option is to move the right scroll (speed control) wheel up or down a notch_
Or the left, which has even less effect on the driving! 🙂
I took My Model Y with the trial FSD v 12.3.6 on a 90 minute drive each way from the country through the city and into the suburbs. The FDS was near flawless. Acceleration and lane changing was great. It even turned right on red when the cross traffic had a protected left turn. I was amazed as in navigated a toll booth. Although it was a little timid exiting the toll booth. I assume it was because there were no lane lines. I did have to intervine a few times on exit ramps.
Navigated a toll booth? Did it wait for you to pay and get your change back before proceeding?
My experience with 30 day free FSD trial has been much better than expected.
But would you trust FSD to drive the car alone, without your watchful eye?
@@DerekDavis213 Absolutely NOT ! It is "supervised" FSD and you must have a watchful eye. Some of my trips have zero disengagements. Some others, I have 2-3, mainly becasue I'm not comfortable with it's decision.
@@johnpoldo8817 I have watched many FSD v12 reviews on UA-cam. In big cities like LA, NYC, or Chicago there are many interventions and disengagements.
FSD is still quite primitive, it is nothing like a *human* *driver* .
@@DerekDavis213 Derek, I used to think like you, but after trying it on the difficult streets of Boston, it is far from primitive and actually pretty good. But, you must supervise it. Agree, it is not as good as a human driver.
@@johnpoldo8817 _FSD is far from primitive and actually pretty good._
FSD still fails at so many common road tasks -
understand signs: DO NOT ENTER, ROAD CLOSED
slowing for speed bumps, consistently
obeying the posted speed limit
avoid potholes or broken glass in the road
multi-level parking structures
reacting to Police cars or Ambulances
.
I've been using FSD 12.3.6 on every drive and I rarely have to intervene. That said there are occasional unexpected actions. I find shadows from trees in city driving sometimes make it think there's a speed bump so it can slow down for no reason. Also map guidance isn't always in sync with chosen route. In very complicated highway exchanges I have to watch that it gets into the correct lane. 95% of the time it's fine. We're 5 drivers and even my wife uses it on every highway drive.
Never seen video footage from you on UA-cam. 🤔
It still thinks route number signs are a speed limit (if they are a multiple of 5)
And bridge weight limit signs 10 tons = 10 mph😢
FSD is 95 percent capable? That is not good enough. A human is 99.99 percent capable.
Well, Tesla doesn't text, drink or try to eat a hamburger while driving. The data will show less accidents 10 to 1 in favor of Tesla.
Thanks for doing this video. It would be clearer that FSD is doing the steering if you could avoid gripping the steering wheel and let the wheel slip through your hands. Maybe even drive with one hand lower on the wheel and just pinch the wheel with your thumb and forefinger and let the wheel slip through. Give it a little tug every so often and let us know that's what you just did, or just drag on the wheel when it turns (but don't move your hand).
Not a big deal, but it's not obvious that FSD is doing the steering when both your hands are on the wheel and your hands turn with the wheel.
BTW- I've found that with 12.3.6, on some roads, as long as I keep looking at the road, even with sunglasses, I can drive a long time without being nagged. I recently drove about 5 miles on a twisty mountain road without ever touching the wheel!
We like the videos of honest and caring people like Sue and Sandy. We also love Sandy because he is so knowledgeable about technology, and Sue because she is a down-to-earth woman with no pretensions. Sue and Sandy will be great no matter what they do. I hope they have children like themselves.
Just wondering if this is a big benefit for older and less confident drivers? When you get older your reflexes and vision (especially at night) degrade. New drivers, even if they pass their initial driving test, can be uncertain due to lack of experience. Or, could FSD just create a dependency and false security on the software?
I am in my late 80s and love fsd. It works well in my town where there are good street markings. I know locations where it has hiccups so extra careful there.
Good for handicapped people too. Have a friend who is epileptic and can't drive because of it. Getting old myself and looking forward to autonomous vehicles extending my driving both day and night.
@@lestermarshall6501 Didn't think about that. Also, having FSD take you to the emergency room would probably be a lot cheaper than what an ambulance costs these days (in the USA)!
"FSD (supervised)" will need competent, fit, aware supervisors, ready to react at any time, so with very good reflexes. And there is a new type of experience required: the experience, when FSD supervised will likely perform well and when it likely will not. Like Sue at the sharp left turn, where she anticipates the bad performance of FSD supervised. I do not know, why she still let's the car get in the wrong lane, but obviously she rather acts as a car test driver there, not as a truly responsible driver. FMPOV, she should have intervened there earlier. Her supervision is better at the construction zone on the highway: she does not trust it and takes over early, indicating right, forcing a reaction of the car. And glad she did: the manual explicitly says that FSD is not yet designed to handle constructions sites.
People that want to get rid of the supervision task for a lack of driving abilities: wait for real Level 4 or 5 systems on the SAE J3016 level system.
For the goal of ‘Full Self-Driving (Supervised),’ the focus should be on the ability to travel from point A to B without intervention, accidents, or unpredictable behaviors. As long as self-driving cars share the roads with human drivers, the appropriate metric for success should emphasize high-quality roadmanship. This involves ensuring smooth and efficient traffic flow through mutual understanding, patience, and consideration among drivers, especially in challenging situations not explicitly covered by traffic laws, which occur frequently in high congestion, construction-laden, and accident-prone routes. While this metric is tougher to quantify, it would encompass miles driven without accidents, along with the other variables previously mentioned.
Critiquing these scenarios is important and appropriate for this video, which focuses on the overall progression of the capabilities of FSD. As @MooseOnEarth mentioned, the goal is to achieve level 5 automation, hopefully within this decade. Interventions provide valuable training data that is used to evolve the system.
The NHTSA website does an excellent job of describing the challenges and goals that have been set, including the benefits of each successive level. They also provide a FAQ section that explicitly answers questions about how automation can aid elderly drivers.
Try that in San Benito County, in Hollister - the 'Turbo roundabout' there, many potholes around town, and generally poor asphalt causes FSD and Autopilot to give up or make mistakes on every drive. Tesla should use our town as a test subject.
There are plenty of FSD videos showing Teslas in challenging scenarios including NYC, fog and rain in Nova Scotia, etc.
@@williamrogers1219 Yes, and FSD needs lots of *help* in those challenging scenarios. FSD is nowhere even close to a human driver.
Really great video, Sue seems unbiased in her review of FSD and I think she was spot on. I've had it for a while now, its weird to drive a car after a while.
i enjoyed her commentary. it exposes her personal expectations from that of the FSD.
Thank you for taking the time to review FSD v12.3.6. Voices like yours are especially valuable in getting the word out on FSD! Had a similar marvelous experience using FSD v12.3.6 to drive my family around the state of Washington this past weekend. Can barely wait for FSD v12.4 which is expected via a free over-the-air update soon.
What improvements are coming with v12.4 ?
nice to hear the feed back from a slightly older person such as myself and a females opinion. I live in Canada and have the same types of drives. its isn't always perfect as far as smoothness and comfortability. I haven't had a " safety" critical disengagement in sometime. We know it's only going to keep getting better.. thanks to the Munro Team for all you do and to Tesla for outstanding products. The old days and maybe even still take your BMW in for Map upgrade see what it cost? Tesla gives so much value to you after you bought your car. People often ask me how do you like your Tesla and I always reply the car I have today is better then the car I bought in 2021 and its the same car.
I did the recent 30-day fsd trial, and, for the most part, I was very impressed; however, since I don’t live in a major metro area where you may need aggressive acceleration for merging in traffic, I would have preferred an option to slow down sooner at an intersection as well as not rocketing to speed with little or no traffic. If I need to slow or accelerate quickly, I’d like the option to use the brake or accelerator as needed. That said, there were so many amazing things that it did, I can now understand Tesla’s vision based system may be the best to really achieve autonomous driving in the future.
Thanks for this video. It was great to hear Sue’s take on fsd.
I’m having the same experience on my free trial and agree with what you said.
Depending on the version, there may be an option to tell FSD to drive more or less aggressively. I kept mine on the least aggressive setting for the first year, then medium starting the second year. That resulted in slower acceleration and more gradual braking than in the most aggressive mode.
@@johnmichael4504 I did make sure I was in “chill” mode as well as full regen braking. It’s possible my 2020 MY didn’t have the computing power of newer models.
_I would have preferred an option to slow down sooner at an intersection as well as not rocketing to speed with little or no traffic._
Tesla has stated that these "comfort" issues will be addressed in v12.4, now in the hands of employee testers.
Well done, I also like how the car navigates to the left line when passing large Semi 's giving an extra measure of safety. We also had no problems with Roundabouts recently on our 2800 mile trip on 12.3.6. I noticed you had the car in "Assertive" rather than "Chill" which was notable.
Every FSD tester should first name the car model, model year, sensor suite (radar present? ultrasonic sensors present? What version of the cameras: resulution, greyscale or RGB color), FSD version and FSD settings and likely the town or area they drive in. Only then, a viewer gets the necessary information in a nutshell.
@@MooseOnEarth Our trip was in a 2022 MS long range with no radar, but sensors included.
Thanks, Sue, for providing a no-hype review by someone who has read the user manual and is not a super-fan or hyper-critic looking for clicks. My experience since 2019 has been that it was always more relaxing to let the car help drive on long freeway trips, and each update reduced the number of hyper-safe glitches - such as abruptly slowing down once in a while.
I live in a major city with both aggressive and timid drivers, so it was less stressful not to use FSD locally until Version 12. That transition provided much more human-like driving, including recognizing and slowing down appropriately for speed bumps, smoother roundabouts, and the bias away from large trucks and any vehicle riding the lane line or bouncing from one line to the other. Not perfect in all weird circumstances, so I too supervise vigilantly.
OMG! Finally someone does the FSD video we always wanted. Thank-you so much.
Clear and concise .
Tesla is really homing in on FSD
Sue is so awesome! I would love to see more segments like this one. She starts off by referring to her Tesla as a “her/she” but quickly switches to “it”. Maybe after someone honked at her 😂
Flashing yellow light on intersections late at night causes my MS to slow down to 15 mph and almost come to complete stop. Could easily get rear ended. When getting off on highway off-ramps, FSD slows down way too late and has caught me grabbing the wheel with my car going 70 mph into a hairpin turn getting off the highway on the exit. Other than those two issues, FSD has been pretty good.
Beautifully done
Thank you!
Nice job Sue Okray!👍 Everything I saw you were clear precise with everything you talked about you neither bashed when it made a mistake or didn’t do something quick enough or hyped it up either you remain calm in all the situations and never embellished anything, but informed us of what was going on what you wanted to do and what you expected from the drive thank you for sharing to me. This shows me why your president of Monroe & associates though I’ve never been quite as high-level as you. It’s everything I would want to see from just moments of meeting you through this video says this is why you’re in charge as president of the company. If you have that same mentality as he showed in this video I’m sure the customers love you on the high end as well as employees. Thank you again hope to see you in another video down the roadwith more FSD talk and demonstration.
Wow! Way to go Tesla! Continue leading the way towards making FSD a reality. I have always been a fan of Tesla...now I have become a fan of Sue as well. You're such a perfect ambassador for Tesla FSD. Hope to see you more in MunroLive.
Coming up to 5 years waiting for FSD in Australian Fully paid...kinda glad you guys have been the GuineaPigs, but we are keen now !
Sue is the star of Monroe!
Victim :(
Interesting to see how it handles roundabouts, given how infrequent they are in North America (starting to see more in the Toronto burbs). They also vary a lot in design.
Not if you live in Boston….especially fun as drifting in winter🥰
Thank you for your honest and straightforward review. Tesla's autonomous driving is truly amazing.
There seems to be something about the roads around me, in particular the way that lane markings are done, where it struggles with choosing the correct lane, and it doesn't handle right turn acceleration lanes merging with through traffic. I also have regular issues with it it not responding to speed change sighs. Waiting for 12.4.0............
It’s trained on where rich people live
As someone who lives in Boston I'd be interested to see how it handles hardmode. This worked well but this drive looked pretty idyllic and uncomplicated.
Police behind: 🤨
FSD: *sweating*
I live about 5 miles down Opdyke Rd from your office, so the roads and interchanges are all very familiar to me.
I grew up in a Boston suburb. While your demo drive did involve some challenging geometry such as the University Drive crossover and a few roundabouts, I'd like to see how it would handle rush hour traffic and/or New England's tighter, less well marked roads.
What would have happened if there had been a 2 mile backup approaching your interstate exit?
Awesome! I use my FSD all the time in Colorado including back roads of the Rockies Mountains Nederland and Boulder.FSD is really Good and better by the versions.
It's important to note that the highway driving is still done by an old version of autopilot from before the beta release. Elon has tweeted that 12.4 will use one single code stack for all driving including highway. So expect highway driving to improve with the next release.
I actually have to intervene a few times each drive, mostly due to rude/impatient/bad drivers & unclear/lack of road markings that confuse FSD when there are no other cars to follow. Oh, it also doesn't see the black gate into my community at night, but sees it fine during day. I need to get my Tesla some night driving glasses.
The "night driving glasses" would be radar sensors, here: a front radar. But Elon refuses to spend money on it, even disabled the existing radar sensor in older cars, and also refuses to have an extended sensor suite as optional equipment that a customer could choose. It is already predictable that FSD performance at night or in rain will be much worse. The newer Model S and X have newer "4D" high-res radar, but it is unclear, whether this sensor is already used. Model 3+Y did not receive it yet.
Wonder if adding some reflective tape would make it more visible to FSD and humans both?
You can adjust profile by chill, average, assertive. Assertive is more aggressive especially on the freeway. There is also a version that always going more with flow of traffic vs just limited speeds.
It’s an amazing feature. U turns can be hit or miss as so many turns of wheel when moving slowly. I am sure with electric steering no issues. But being nit picky
Thr first American I recall using the correct term "Indicators"
Well done Sue!
The auto park was great I miss having that the most. The only other issue I had was it mis-detecting route 15 or 20 as speed limit signs.
What year is the car ? Does it have Intel or AMD media processor?
2021 I believe.
0:50 Sounds like Quincy from Aptera reading that Surfshark ad.
That's what I thought too!
😆 I use Surfshark. It's pretty good. But, it's the only one I've ever used.
FSD on my Model Y is a terror. It stops by itself, can’t handle winding roads with cars parked to the sides (it thinks that they are a hazard, even though they’re parked to the side of the road. It also takes me on side street to my home, which is slower and more dangerous than the primary road. And, on a round about, it swings to the right, confusing other drivers. It is not ready for prime time.
Thank you for posting. I was an Elon/Tesla fan boy for more than 3-years. Paid $10,000 (on my $70k YP) because I'm an OLD IT guy (BS-Computer Science; MSEE-Digital Systems) and I was of the opinion that I should help pay for development. Now I'd join a class action lawsuit to get my $10k back...and I'd then pay $99/mo when FSD-Unsupervised finally landed. I tested software for a system that controlled nuclear weapons, so I have an understanding of when software is "good enough" -- and, yes, I understand enough about neural networks AI to know how rapidly they CAN improve. I used FSD-whatever in 2021 and 2022 to do CA-NJ-CA road trips. In 2023 to do a collection of national parks. Never really trusted it unless on Interstates...and even then, the lane changes were often downright DUMB and disruptive. I took the latest version out this week between Ventura and SanFran, ordered FSD to drive often and I hate to report that it was not good. Would have even caused an accident had I not braked hard at an intersection. This software is a LONG WAY before I would trust my own or my family's well-being using FSD.
I bet you notice quickly in an autonomous vehicle how awful road markings are.
Especially speed limit signs on the highway
But human drivers can read the signs just fine.
@@DerekDavis213a lot of places there are no signs humans just assume the speed limit like where I get on the highway there is no speed limit sign for 1/4 mile or so. The car has to see it every time. Of course I can override it but some memory seems to be needed…
@@michaelsmithers4900 This is not true with the latest versions on FSD Supervised, the car does not really solely on traffic signs, it uses other data such as average speeds of other traffic to adjust the speed accordingly. The car certainly does not have to see it every time.
True, but current Supervised version picks up roadway striping that is so faint, I can’t make it out with human eyes. It does slow down quickly if it crests a hill and all markings disappear abruptly because it’s been resurfaced but not RE striped yet.
I wish we'd get FSD here in Europe also.
just a matter of time , i hope
Watching this is crazy thinking my car can do that too. I was so happy getting the matrix high beams enabled. Getting FSD would be mind blowing. Just Europe has to wake up...
IT IS COMING 🤗
@ChristophBerg-vi5yr I read somewhere that the European Union will make some changes in the law in October to allow cars to intervene more by themselves, so in some months FINALLY we will see more developments 👏👏👏
Model y juniper and FSD in europe will be good combination 😊 for both, i wait a year
Great video, and nice work by the driver! Impressive all round!
@ 6:20 you should have remarked that right turn on red is NOT a requirement. I would call that a disagreement, but not a fault. The car will likely NEVER drive like individual people do.
One of the things FSD really needs to learn is pothole avoidance.
And making phone calls to whoever the hell is responsible for filling them in and telling them to get off their asses and fill them in before they get bigger
unless there is a huge break through in computer vision, it's unlikely it will see a dramatic improvement. For humans potholes are easy, computer have a hard time with potholes.
I’ve noticed it missing a whole lot of potholes actually. 12.3.6
@@chrishaberbosch1029 FSD cannot see a pothole, then swerve around it like a human driver .
Great video Dr Sue!! A very real world drive. I’m convinced within a decade we’ll be using this every day.
After driving in the states through many 4 way stops, roundabouts are the easiest thing in the world. Here in Australia, there are roundabouts everywhere. Far less chance for accidents.
Thanks Sue - Well done.
I have one comment/question... Minimal Lane Change on the most recent FSD update is much less "minimal" than prior FSD versions. What is your experience with Minimal Lane change? Plus I wish TESLA would allow selecting Minimal Lane Changes as default versus being able to select it only on the current drive.
I'm curious, while in FSD when you intervene and manually do lane change signal blinker will the car still complete the lane change if there's another car that the driver didn't see in that lane you are turning into ?
V.12 is a game changer.
FSD is still a simple minded Level 2 assistant. How has that changed the game?
great showcase!
And doing all that with no radar, no lidar, no USS, no HD maps. amazing.
Yes amazing, but still just a Level 2 assistant. 100% human supervision is required.
@@DerekDavis213 For now..........
@@dclpgh There's no evidence that a buggy Level 2 assistant will *ever* reach Level 5 Full Autonomy. Ask any engineer.
@@DerekDavis213 The robotaxi/cybercab is being unveiled on 8/8. What level do you think it'll be?
@@bandit6762 It will be vaporware. Level 0. Not ready for commercial use for years.
How well would it do in Europe? SOUTHERN Europe?
Naples would be ideal for testing :-) I suspect FSD would never set off.
While the latest version of FSD is great, I am still experiencing issues. In light rain, the vehicle will start phantom braking. This is new, I did not experience this in the previous weeks prior. In my neighborhood, it is too aggressive and I've had to rescue it from running into driveway posts. It's definitely better but not ready for robotaxis.
Liked this Tesla FSD video. So much better than those made in California! 😉 Well done.
3:40 Nice video. "Assertive" is a better term to use than "aggressive" which implies some negativity. The car has no emotions (presumably).
So amazing it's almost hard to believe that this is real right? Go Tesla you got this! ⚡⚡
On another note my only major concern about FSD is that it's video only based technology, what will happen if one or more cameras is blocked by something like road grime, bugs, ice and or snow? Any thoughts on this Monroe and Associates? To assure this will not be an issue I'm assuming they are going to need to put in camera cleaners of some sort especially the rear one where it's dirt and grime and ice buildup is worst.
_what will happen if one or more cameras is blocked bysomething like road grime, bugs, ice and or snow??_
Pretty much the same thing that happens if your windshield or side windows are blocked by "something like road grime, bugs, ice and or snow"; FSD will be degraded until you clean the camera, just as you'd have to do with your windshield or side windows.
@@BigBen621 good point, I guess it's autonomous but may still require human assistance. Just remember that we can see out the back window but the car only has a outer rear camera. I'm going to guess that the robotaxi might very well have a in car camera with a rear wiper to clear it's vision if necessary.
God job Sue! Thank you for the drive 😊
I live in a city with a lot of roundabouts, and I hate that our Tesla's FSD doesn't signal its left turns and exits from the roundabouts as it should. Most people don't either, but the car should be better than that.
No one ever mentions that it still reads route number signs as speed limits (if they are multiple of 5)
I just finished my promo month. I was flabbergasted. It tackled streets, highways, construction zones and detours. FSD is here. And it is a better driver than me.
More of Sue!!
Just drove by your Cybertruck, mustache looks great but the Cybertruck really cramps your style. Good day.
To be frank - in a situation where the only way to go is to turn right and there's a traffic light, I'd assume there's no right-on-red and stay put as well.
But I don't know all the rules in the US, I've only been driving for 30 years in Germany. ;-)
Thank you!
Great review, but I wanna see where the car has to do some quick defensive maneuvers. Why doesn't anyone cut in front of you while doing a review? Or someone in the next lane try to merge into you? Can the FSD honk?
Mentally alert gal. Way better than I am at age 79. She sure handled that computer screen better than I would have, but would love to give it a try. Nicely done.
Couple round-abouts to test v12.3.6? Nothing exciting there, the FSD is flawless in every round-about scenario I've thrown at it.
But FSD 12.3.6 is far from flawless in my region of northern New England with endless paved and dirt roads containing blind corners, hill round-overs, short horizon lines, close roadside trees/brush/boulders, and endless dirt mountain roads with endless edge cases. Yeah, FSD still requires many interventions in a 10 mile trip to stay away from the soft, gravelly shoulders of dirt roads, and maintain a course of travel more towards center of dirt road, rather than edge of dirt road near shoulder. Much safer in center, move aside when encountering (rare) opposing traffic, then move back to center of road.
I live in a gravel road that’s about 1.5 lane wide. 12.3.6 does want to hug the edge more than 11 did, but it does a better job reading the road than what the map says should be there.
I travel on gravel roads a lot. I agree that it should bias more toward the middle unless meeting oncoming traffic.
8:00 FSD 12.3.6 does not find parking at the destination. That is an anticipated feature that is in testing so perhaps in the next release we might see that. For now, as you saw once the brake pedal was pressed it did disengage FSD and immediately present parking options before you put it in reverse. Same at the end of the video, as soon as steering override disengaged it showed parking options.
I have noticed on previous versions that it only turned to the nearest lane but with the current version it does sometimes turn directly into other lanes when possible so that is getting better.
And MSM dared to say Tesla was dead last in the autonomy technology 🤣
Literally no other company's car can do this without pre-mapped HD maps and even then, they have actual people remotely driving your car 🤣
And, those other cars can't be purchased by consumers.
It's ridiculous how much hate & misinformation is out there. My neighbor still thought FSD is a dangerous baby-killing feature until I gave him a ride--his mind was blown after 🤯. My sister in VA still thinks it's prone to cause garage fires cuz it happened to "a friend of a friend of a friend" many times! No matter what I say, it doesn't hold as much weight as her "friend of a friend of a friend's 1st hand garage fire."
What is MSM?
@@sebastianbenner977"main stream media"
@@sebastianbenner977 There was an article that ranked Tesla's FSD dead last in regards to safety. It was based on a study that didn't even test the actual driving capabilites, but really dumb "safety features'. Lexus ranked #1 cuz the seat rumbles to alert driver when it changes lanes...something like that.
Wow. That's massive!!
I have to intervene when using FSD 100% of the time, but only because it does not park in my driveway, 1st world problem 🤣
Great video! This will raise the awareness about how good FSD has become.
7:53 - I believe the parking spots will only show up once you come to a complete stop. The 2024.14+ update changed this so they will show up as soon as they're detected and you're going below a certain speed, but only about 1/3 of all Tesla's have received that update.
10:54 - In my experience, FSD still does not recognize construction/lane ending signs on the highway. I'm not sure what it would do if the driver doesn't intervene since I never let mine get that far. I would expect it to switch lanes once it detects the obstruction, but only at the very last moment. Worst case it emergency brakes. FSD still uses the old Enhanced Auto Pilot code for highway driving, so it's not as competent on the highway as it is on city streets.
My route home has a city street being replaced, so FSD has many opportunities to learn about closed lanes. It appears that the flashing lights cause a general “slow and edge over” but the cones are what it really guides on.
You are incorrect about auto park. Her problem was that she was still in FSD when trying to automatic park. In order to do auto park you have to be in manual drive and traveling below 8 mph and the spots will show up
@@CYCLEGAMER1 I'm not so sure about that. Ever since I had FSD V12, it would never show the parking spots until the car was completely stopped, even when FSD was off. Then as soon as I got the 2024.14.8 update, the spots would show up even while driving.
@@seanplace8192 I am VERY sure about that…I have 2 separate Teslas with FSD on two separate hardware configurations and software branches and neither one of them have to be at a full stop for the parking spots to show up. If you like I can prove it here on UA-cam or on Twitter/X. Just let me know within the next 30 min
Now that I think about it, in my 5 years of having automatic park I’ve NEVER had to be at a complete stop to use auto park….lol
FSD 12.3.6 is a mixed bag for me. I have to say my driving environment is more crowded than the road condition on this video (and I'm not talking about rush hours, certainly not after midnight too).
What annoys me, is that right out of my house, After left turn, there is a 600feet away intersection, I need to turn right, but the car always picks up the left lane, and move to right one quite late, the right late splits into 2 lanes, by the time the car changed away from left lane, it realized the new split out right turn lane has passed dotted into a solid line, after a jerk (yes it always jerks) , it then refuse to cross the now solid line, and misses the right turn.
Often, lane changing is fine, but sometimes the car is irrational, e,g,, when the next lane car is so far behind, the car does nothing, upon the car approaching from behind, it decides to change lane as if trying to do cut it off, then realized is too dangerous, after back and forth jerking -- which is unsafe on freeway with high speed , it cancels lane chaning, pissing off drivers for both cars behind on the 2 lanes.
So far, using FSD, I'm like driving school teacher.
If the roads in the US were all well marked FSD would really have no problem. If towns, states and feds would implement a law on road markings FSD could be tomorrow
Place Sue on the payroll... she is very Delightful & excellent at commentary.
She’s the president of the company!
At 9:09, FSD changes its mind because of traffic, and then there is an edit. No explaination what went on there.
There is number of edits in this video, obviously. For several actions, like also the steering wheel wiggling back and forth quickly, there is no explanation.
Funny watching this because I live close to these roads and drive them frequently.
Great video! We want Sue in more videos! 👏👏👏👏
The return of Sue! A welcome return.
So at 9:30 it actually failed the round about. It was supposed to enter in the inner lane because the outer lane is ment to go straight. If a different car was using the inner lane it would of panicked and needed intervention.
Yes, it failed as it goes over the straight line. She just is not aware of it as she does not understand roundabouts herself.
The people who claim to have seen people sleeping in their Tesla on the freeway, or reading the newspaper have never actually driven a Tesla.
On the expressway it is using an older stack than 12.3.6. Elon has said that the highway code will match that of in town driving with version 12.5.
Elon also said in 2019: "1 million robotaxis by 2020"
@@DerekDavis213 Indeed he has always been late. Just look at the Cybertruck delays or the Roadster model 2. However he has always eventually delivered what others said could not be accomplished.
It has gotten to where if Elon starts something other companies rush in to try and do the same under the assumption that if Elon is pursuing it then it must be doable and lucrative.
@@nickmcconnell1291 Elon promised SELF driving in 2016, and today it still does not work. It requires human *supervision* .
Elon also said 1 million humans on Mars by 2050. What do you think of that?
@@DerekDavis213 What I think is that no other person or business is even trying or is even close to doing any of this. For them it is impossible or too expensive. If they can't do it in a year or make profit on it right away they are not interested. Only Elon is trying to take this on and make the "impossible" real.
Do I like all his politics or some of his temper tantrums? Not at all, but to all accounts Frank Lloyd Wright was also an absolute prima dona jerk.... and yet look at what he built. Elon has big dreams for what humanity can attain and the engineering skills to do them.... I'm onboard because I have the same dreams.
@@nickmcconnell1291 Actually, Elon has zero engineering training or skills. He hires the engineering talent. And the idea of 1 million humans living on Mars in 26 short years is fricking *absurd* . Ask any engineer or scientist, and they will give you 10 reasons why a Mars colony is a bad idea.
Elan is a salesman, a grifter. Let's be honest.
No mention, if it was switching between driving on autopilot or FSD.
It doesn't switch; you have to make this choice on the display before you start a drive.
Does the FSD incorporate microphones to detect sirens on emergency and Police vehicles so the car can react the same way a human would react?
Great video Sue!
Thanks, useful content, really interested in same-person review of several updates. All the best
Thanks but we rarely do these types of reviews. We do have a deep dive on ADAS coming soon.
Why are you always holding the steering wheel?
_Why are you always holding the steering wheel?_
As noted in the pinned comment, this is what Tesla says you *should* do, although few actually do so. By the way, lest you think she, and not FSD, is actually driving, look at the path prediction line that extends ahead of the car when it's in motion. If it's blue, FSD is in control; and it's blue for almost the entire drive.
I had FSD for about 2 months and i hate how it likes to stay in the left lane, especially on the highway.
While you shouldn't have to, you do know that you can use the turn signal to force a lane change, right?
@@BigBen621 What im talking about is when you are driving on a single-lane road that splits into 2 lanes, rather than staying in the right lane regardless of the traffic, it'll go to the left lane. Or when you're driving on the highway and you overtake a slower car in the right lane, the car will change lanes as usual, but it wont put you back in the right lane. I understand that I can force a lane change. I also understand that if a car wants to overtake you and you're in the left lane, the car will change to the right lane. I know i'm nitpicking, but I don't like to speed and I wish they could address it.
@@Bueno226 OK, I see where you're coming from, and I don't think you're being nitpicking. But the best way to bring about change is to disengage when it stays in the left lane, report the reason, and then re-engage and force the lane change with the turn signal. If you just put up with it, it's much less likely to get corrected.
I can see the next FUD complaint being
"When auto parking it spins the wheel at a standstill which wears out the tyres"
My concerned about the stuff it does at 70mph.