Response to ACPE's Follow-Up Statement The Apostolic Council of Prophetic Elders (ACPE) has released a follow-up email addressing their critique of Emma Stark’s prophetic words. While they position their concerns as rooted in accountability and redemption, several contradictions and problematic elements stand out. 1. Disingenuous "Discernment" ACPE claims to champion discernment, yet their track record includes vague and untestable prophecies spanning over a decade. From "great transfers of wealth" to cryptic metaphors tied to Jewish calendars, many of these words lack biblical clarity and accountability. It’s ironic that ACPE now positions itself as the gatekeeper of prophetic integrity while ignoring its own history of inaccuracies and generalizations. Larry Sparks, James Goll, and Jennifer LeClaire have all either published, written, or falsely prophesied unbiblical nonsense that never came to pass. Why are they suddenly concerned with “prophetic integrity”? Even Cindy Jacobs is famous for her prophecies about Isaiah 35 and the “Highway of Holiness”-claiming that America would experience a great revival starting in Texas and working its way through the nation along Interstate 35. 2. Misrepresentation of Emma Stark The ACPE email ambiguously states Emma Stark “was once a member of ACPE,” yet the video says she “is a member.” This inconsistency raises questions about the council's accuracy. Furthermore, their framing of Emma as "arrogant" and “sowing discord” is concerning. Disagreement does not equate to pride, and challenging the status quo should not automatically be labeled as divisive. ACPE also implies authority over Emma as her "elders." Biblically, elders are part of one’s local church-not a distant prophetic council. This overreach underscores the council’s attempt to exert control beyond its biblical jurisdiction. 3. Selective Use of Scripture The email references Proverbs 6:19, which condemns "sowing discord among brethren," implying Emma’s prophecy is tantamount to something God hates. Yet, they simultaneously deny labeling her a false prophet. The message becomes contradictory: she isn’t a false prophet, but her words and actions are cast as detestable to God. She is also called prideful and described as “not receiving correction.” This feels more like spiritual gaslighting than biblical correction. The email accuses Emma and the Global Prophetic Alliance of creating a “generational divide” and sowing unrest among younger prophets. However, ACPE’s defensive tone about being perceived as "old wine" suggests they are projecting their own insecurities. Is the real issue Emma’s supposed harshness, or is it her refusal to conform to the established norms of ACPE’s prophetic culture? 4. Fixed and Redemptive Prophecies The critique that Emma’s words “lack redemption” misunderstands the biblical nature of some prophecies. Not all prophetic judgments in Scripture are avoidable through prayer (e.g., David’s loss of his son despite fasting, Esau not being able to receive back his father's blessing after much repenting and weeping, or Saul's kingdom being torn away, or Babylonian Exile). While ACPE highlights 2 Chronicles 7:14, they seem to ignore instances where God’s judgment is final and unchangeable. It is inconsistent to suggest every prophetic word must include a pathway for redemption. 5. Testing Prophetic Words Emma’s prophetic imagery about Trump is uncomfortable, but it invites testing rather than dismissal. ACPE asserts her words are dangerous because they might inspire violence. This concern seems exaggerated, especially since Emma explicitly invited her audience to test her words and later clarified them to prevent misinterpretation. The council’s judgment against her feels more reactionary than thoughtful. Conclusion ACPE’s response to Emma Stark highlights a broader issue within the prophetic movement: a lack of self-awareness and accountability among those claiming to steward prophetic gifts. Their vague and often untestable prophecies undermine the credibility of genuine prophetic ministry. Meanwhile, their handling of Emma Stark’s words comes across as controlling and inconsistent, with a thinly veiled attempt to silence dissent. Let’s remember that prophetic ministry is not about pleasing councils or conforming to tradition but about faithfully delivering God’s message-even when it challenges the powerful or disrupts the comfortable. If ACPE truly seeks discernment and accountability, they should start by addressing their own prophetic record. -Joshua Lewis, Founder & Host, The Remnant Radio
To add to what you said -regarding your point 5-it might be interesting if people would read Psalm 3. That's all I'm going to say. I'm in agreement with the points you have made.
Just to give you a note: Cindy Jacobs came to the Philippines in 2004 and 2010. She even prophesied that one of our prominent Pentecostal Leaders will be the next President of the Philippines. He lost the presidency 2 times big time. I am sorry to tell everyone that the Charismatic Prophetic Movement has done great damage to the National Level. The organizers who always invite her, I don't know if they learn their lesson because this create big time division in the Evangelical Body. Im sorry guys but the Prophetic Movement should undergo Reformation and Revival again. We do need Charismatic Reformation in the Philippines.
I agree with you, Sir! I also thought about the "hotcake" prophecy of Cindy Jacobs back then especially that in 2004. about the Philippines, blah, blah, blah..it never happened! So, so much about what i call "prophecy idolatry!" We better stand in the word of the Lord, the word of the Lord doesn confuse us nor make us fanatic but the word of the Lord surely instructs us to sound mind..
I Loved her prophecy in Maui about them getting new houses and a month later they all burned down lol sad but if you believe the opposite of what she says then she's right? Lol.
Let me be very clear: If there is only one thing I agree with her prophecy: The Expose of Evil, God transforming the Philippines and the Church will reach University Campuses. It actually happened but with regards to the 2004 and 2010 presidency, sorry I don't buy that and I disdain that.
I totally agree. I don’t listen to Cindy Jacob’s and all the others aligned with her in the Charismatic Prophetic Movement. I also stopped watching Sid Roth or reading anything from the Elijah list. All of them have given false words or words with a political agenda. I’m not at all knocking the true prophets. God has called other true Endtime prophets that are not yet recognized nationally or globally. I have heard three black prophets who have confirmed what Emma Stark has prophesied about Trump and America. Emma Stark is a true Endtime prophet.
@limegreen90 A lot of these charismatic "prophets" they are heavily involved in Catholic mysticism which is straight up witchcraft. Much of the Evangelical charismatic and vineyard churches are under the Roman Catholic Church now. You see the same pattern of moral failure just as the Catholic Church because it's the same spirit.
May the Lord cleanse, purge and purify the prophetic movement. May we all get back to the Word of God, and know His Voice. This division grieves the heart of God. May His will be done in the nations. 🙏🏻
It amazes me that Cindy Jacob’s and her team can call out Emma Stark and denounce the WORD Emma gave but not once in 25 years have they addressed or corrected those whom have gave public prophetic words that was wrong , didn’t come to pass or address the immoral life of those whom gave them !!
@@ann275 ok Ann. Tell me whats really going on please. Trump is fighting evil? Is that whats going on? Gods using him? Whats Elon doing? Whats Neuralink? Whos going to wake you up? Because by the time you see the truth it will be too late. He will make America great again and bring peace and prosperity using AI robot multiskilled workforce and military and then you will need to take the Mark to participate in that system. All the best.
@@SpiritOfRevelation777... Please DO NOT speak for everyone in your comment. That is not true. Some yes, but the majority no! Many who support him pray for him. We certainly don't idolize him. Can we not be proud that there is an American leader, though still green and young in his understanding and relationship in Christ.. cares about this nation and does not align himself with the ways of Baal and the Luciferian agenda in this nation, in our government?. It's tiresome that as a Christian we have to defend yourselves because we are constantly hearing this narrative. We want a leader who is a Patriot, cares, supports, wants to protect this nation, help to upholding biblical truths.
That guy who was in the hotel room said Emma's prophesy for him 'could have been from God, I guess'. That scorn on his face as he said it was very telling. Thank God he has given me the gift of discernment. All I will say is, I hope you all apologise to Emma when the word comes to pass.
I do believe the church idolizes Trump in a sense. When he changed his position on the pro-life issue, I tried to call church leaders who had access to Trump to speak boldly about his shift. I would acknowledge I was not talking about refusing to vote for him, but at the very least that the church was voting with eyes wide open and with disagreement with the man on the issue of life for the unborn. I believed and shared that the church was on trial in a sense regarding our stance on life. We were speaking "empty words", or were we sincere.. My exhortations for righteousness from the church were rejected out right with most of them saying we can't make it more difficult for Trump to get elected. More difficult for an election? What about the God we serve and His command to us for holiness?
The Trump worship has blinded many eyes. Im not anti-Trump. I looked up to him as an entrepreneur I followed him and bought his books and loved his tv show. When I came to faith and saw his run for presidency I was interested. When I saw him use his same business techniques and manipulations to attract votes and Christians in general I was appalled at how successful he was. Now I believe he and Elon are rapidly ushering in the Beast System.
I have a question: On what date and time did God designate Cindy Jacobs and Jennifer LeClaire as the prophetic voices of the church to reign over and judge all others? I've tested the spirits as we're commanded to do and this is evil. I didnt even get a vote. 😮
Yup, such a big poopy 💩 mess for sure! This is one real reason why a lot of people don't want to become a Christian! I can't say I blame them either. We need healing in the Body of Christ. Help us Lord! We have group A calling group B heretics and group B calling group A heretics, and C calling group A & B heretics etc etc. The stone throwing and mud slinging just never ever seems to STOP! Good gracious! Just so sickening and super sad. Can we please just get off this crazy merry-go-round mess!?... 🤮
I was at a prophetic conference in Nashville and Emma said very strong political statements from the pulpit in favor of Europe’s political system. It seems that their political views could be affecting their prophetic words. This sounds familiar. This is most likely going against the (seemingly American) prophetic council’s opinions and or words.
I'm european. I didn't hear Emma's Word but, from what I see, I'm sorry my brothers and sisters from the US but I'm so confuse and shock about how many of you handle this "Trump" mania. You mix politics and faith in such a way that is shocking. Maybe Emma did the same thing but definitely a part of the american church do that all the time all the year. I whish you could realize it because I don't think it will bring you blessing....
@@sawette23 There are no doubt sone Christians get the political & Christian meshed too much. The Christians & leaders I know are not trusting in politics or making politics their god. They ARE and have been seeking God, many prayer groups & individual Christians since the 1980’s for our government leaders to be more pro-church, pro-Judeo -Christian values as our country is built on them, etc. The Democrat Party and its leaders have actively fought against these things and worked to enact laws opposed to these things. It’s not wrong to be excited when a majority of the country voted to go back to those foundational truths and relieve the Christian’s of the very real persecution that has been happening to them with increasing intensity. Trump wants Christianity and churches and synagogues to be free as our constitution guarantees. The other side was going to go after us with a vengeance, kill more babies and lead us into so many destructive paths.
Totally agree I think a lot of what God is doing over here is offending a lot of people all over the world. And I always have discerned Emma’s tone also.
I’m tired of ‘all’ of the drama and noise. In my opinion, the past year has been a season of house cleaning. Since Mike Bickle’s abuses were revealed a year ago last October, many mega religious organizations have fallen for similar abuses. Along with Cindy Jacobs and Chuck Pierce, The Apostolic Council of Prophetic Elders also has James Goll and Mark Hamon as members. These two were also members of the KC Prophets when Mike Bickle first arrived on the scene back in the 90’s. James Goll posted a very bizarre response to Mike Bickle’s allegations this time last year. And the ACPE waited until last Spring to make their very watered down statement. Cindy is very good friends with Rick Joyner. Cindy had Chris Reed provide prophetic words within her group at least twice in recent years. Personally, I’m steering clear of all of these people. DayStar is going through its upheaval, of course. Jimmy Evans is alleged to have been involved in being Joni’s mouthpiece in putting her kids in their place. So, all of these people who’ve become very rich in the religion business have lost their credibility. Now we’re witnessing a religious version of the WWE between these groups. And I personally doubt we’ll see anyone emerge a winner. I won’t be watching this segment, sorry. I just don’t have the stomach for any of this anymore. I am praying that true, prophetic voices will begin to emerge soon. But I’m also praying that the body is learning how to discern between the true and the false. If the charlatan’s don’t have followers, they won’t get traction and muddy the waters with their nonsense and silly, dramatic escapades.
Eight years ago The Lord tried to caution those that were listening. Four years ago He gave us our medicine hoping we would humble ourselves and repent. Now He’s letting our own idolatry play out. It’s not Trump, it’s the hearts of the people driving the narrative.
That’s what I think too. I saw the Emma Stark video but I didn’t listen to it because of the title. The title didn’t bear witness with my spirit so I didn’t listen to it. Then I saw Cindy Jacob’s video and watched it and I was wracking my brain trying to remember Emma’s name. I didn’t appreciate it because it was a distraction from what they were saying. It just didn’t sit well with me. We are suppose to be family and the honest ones.
I agree, they should have given the name when they started talking about this situation. Because what I saw in the comment section, on Jennifer's page, was a lot of people making guesses as to who they thought it was. Several mentioned Jeremiah Johnson and a couple other prophets. To me, this caused a confusion and brought false accusations. 🤨
THANK YOU!!! You guys have been saying the exact same thing that my friends and I have said regarding this nonsense. It feels like petty middle school drama on one level and it’s really sad. Thank you for such a through review of both sides. “Make Prophecy Local Again” 💯💯💯
This word given was so far off the mark it sounds more like the accuser than anything else . We have to grow up with sheep and goats but we dont have to be in agreement with goats . It is annoying beyond measure . God please have mercy on America and the President you gave us . I def dont worship Trump but do pray for him and all those around him . Way to much polarizing in this conversation . Respect and honor are not idolatry .
I agree that there is an awful lot of judgment going on. "Judge yee not, lest thou be judged." Amen. It's sick and why many people, like me, won't even walk into a church anymore, and I am prophetic. God's voice is being shut down all over the world, by those who proclaim to be the only church. It's disgusting.
People do not worship Trump. That is a silly and stupid notion. Trump is recognized by many people as a hero for his courage to go after a very demonic cabal of men, who are very dangerous. He is risking his life every minute. Are any of you so brave? You are all confused about Trump. Wake up!!! Get your head out of your false religious beliefs. Trump is God's Chosen one for this time period. He is doing a great work, both Trump AND God.
I agree with all you wrote, Susan, I'm praying for God's mercy and help for our country and the president and leaders. I have to judge prophesy like we're told to. What people need to remember is, it says in the Bible that "we prophesy in part" That means ..prophets don't know it all. I think a persons opinion gets included sometimes. We need to judge prophesy and pray. There are many instances in The Bible where people prayed and God heard their prayers and answered them . He's a God of both Mercy. & Judgement. Let's keep praying.❤love one another don't hate. Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks. Beware prophets..on both sides, guard your hearts .❤
@@deborahleerebischke2165 That is a beautiful scripture and thank you for sharing it . We do need to guard our hearts and walk in the full armour of God . Blessings
I hear from the Lord. Local level. And what I hear does not line up with this prophecy. I am seeing a season of building and restoration for the church. Trump is a player but not the key player in the church this is what I’m seeing
God bless you and Hallelujah! You're hearing from God instead of the Republicans, the Democrats or The Church. "Well done my good and faithful servant!" 😉🙌
I have contemplated this for a while but now I have come to realize that the ‘Christianity’ in the USA is an alternate version, different from every other nation.
I've listened to both videos. Some of you guys have made errors in your discussion here. Do some research on Constantine for one. Some of your issues with Cindy's and Emma's videos are comparing apples to oranges. Not saying Cindy's or anyone else hasn't gotten it wrong at times. You guys are not the end all judges of prophetic word. We're all human, not Jesus.
Ohhh, I think they all need to take a deep breath and stop prophesying. Teach the declared word. The WORD will guide, protect and conform us into the image of Christ. Thanks guys for challenging the goofy bunch. They forsook the Gospel a long time ago.
Yes! I believe that word is a warning to the church to not be infatuated with their preferred leader. We need to be infatuated with Gods word. If you have to constantly preface that Trump isn’t your savior, (or any leader) yet your actions and conversations revolve around him, there is a problem. The divisions that will be….because of the obsessions…ARE causing chaos in the church. When CHRIST is FIRST and center…all the things are little things…because GOD isn’t diminished whether we are thriving or not. He never changes, His plans will not be thwarted. When we’re so afraid to call out brothers and sister, in love, afraid of hurting feelings or because of the fear of man, your faith isn’t in Christ, it’s in the people you idolize. It’s easy to spot evil when it’s blatant. When things are going well and the money is rolling in, that’s when we need to be most vigilant. The devil is disguised in our comforts
The Church needs to return to PRAYER. I CANNOT FIND A CHURCH THAT HOLDS A MID-WEEK PRAYER MEETING EVEN 'THO JESUS SAID "MY HOUSE SHALL BE CALLED A HOUSE OF PRAYER." We all need to read again Leonard Ravenhill!
Modern day prophets are a dime a dozen. Whoever has the best social media platforms, biggest personalities, social a., and generality, is guaranteed to capture the biggest audience. Reminds me of Jeremiah's day. Unfortunately, most of the non-denom Charistmatic world is gravely Biblically illiterate and malnurished in authentic Christian fellowship, which makes them prime audience from the Emmas, Cindys, Dutches, Bickles, Elijah listers, etc. Glad you made the video.
Very sound, reasonable commentary on the turmoil surrounding Emma Stark’s Prophecy. I really appreciate the soundness of your discussion based on Biblical principles.
My wife had a dream and I think is okay to share. She saw a large field with a large house in it. The house was surrounded by large cedar trees, and in front of the house were doves that were like statues. As she drew near to the field, the doves changed in to rotted raven corpses. We interpreted this as the church in the USA (the field being the nation or field where the church works), the trees representing powers and principalities attacking the true church. The fake doves represent all the fake Christians in the church. Next she saw a house next to it that was brand new. It had no lawn, only dirt, and though the house was nice, it was not as big as the first house. We took this to mean that God is going to re-start or renew the church in the USA. It’s going to be a new thing, and it won’t be connected to the past. It’s also going to be smaller, but without fakers. Maybe someone here can confirm the interpretation.
I believe this dream is absolutely correct. Great dream! I think you interpreted it correctly. God is destroying the old misguided church with its false and bad doctrines, and bringing in the new. Many Christians will not recognize what is happening.
doves also represent humility, as evident by the following verse: "Be humble as a dove and wise as a serpent," when Noah sent a raven out of the ark and didn't return the second time, A new beginning , in a new earth. Raven are very smart animals by nature and resourceful. By them being dead and rotted means " God resists the proud and gives grace to humble" and that their wise plans and resourcefulness are dead and rotten. By the doves looking like statues, in that the large house , is that they have built themselves idols cloacked in fake humility evident by Colosians 2:18 "do not let anyone who DELIGHTS in fake humility and the worship of angels disqualify you". The smaller house , no lawn or dirt, to me sounds the church that think its poor, that doesn't have roots or green pasture, and not as big as those mega ministries or churches, this reminds of the Church of Smyrna " I know of your aflicitons and poverty but YOU ARE RICH. The way your wife saw the church might also mean that the true church of the Lord in America is about to suffer, evident by what follows for that church as we read in the book of Revelation and pay attention what the Lord says about the church that think its rich and lacks nothing . Let the Lord Jesus, guide and confirm this to you and come to your own conclusions. Blessings!
Thanks for this video! A big problem with the opposing view by Cindy Jacobs and her people, hosted and posted by Jennifer LeClair Ministries, was that I posted corrective comments about their biased "prophesies." Jennifer was offended by what I said about their lack of credibility and responded as such to my comment. When I responded to her offense with facts, she said nothing. Then, within minutes completely shut the comment section down. I wish I had screenshot what I had posted because all of her other videos allow comments (as of this writing). My view is that if you throw a rock in a pack of dogs the only one who squeals is the one who gets hit. Now they are posting about false prophets, etc. and doubling down on their statements. Their hypocrisy is deafening.
@@SpiritOfRevelation777 I've never heard of any of you, but Jennifer Le Claire is the real deal. But it shows who you THINK YOU ARE WITH YOUR DRIVE BY SMEARS
@Rosalynd-sz4xf she's real deal huh? Here are the actual facts u imbecile. She claims to be an apostle. She doesn't even meet the requirements to be an apostle. A few of the requirements are. She must've seen the risen savior in the first person. Jesus would have come to that person individually in person to appoint them as an apostle. Which neither of these happened to her. Paul was the last apostle. She also claims to be a pastor. 2 Timothy is very clear, no women pastors! With her fake tongues gibberish. False prophecies that never come true. She is part of the NAR. Which is terribly flawed in the false doctrine of the 7 mountain mandate. She hangs around with false prophets like cindy Jacob's. Ask cindy how come she didn't prophesy about the devastating fires in Hawaii last summer. Because the year before that she was there. Giving this wonderful prophecy. She's a lying false prophet just like the blithering idiot emma stark. Jennifer is a fraud just like the rest of them. Gullible idiots like u only encourage them to keep spreading doctrine of demons & lies. If u have a problem with this. Go look in the mirror. That's ur problem.
I'm glad you named names, that was a concern for me. I think Emma's word is not easy to hear but time will tell. What will happen if Emma's word is correct
Most of the modern prophecies and "prophets" add so little value. They don't get people back to God, keep people from sin, or prevent personal disaster. Can we please have another Elijah, who will wreck the false prophets, or a Jonah, who will preach to a city?
Even if God were to send another Elijah, traditional Christianity won't listen to him. God already sent another Elijah decades ago, and the churches of traditional Christianity spent his entire 50 yr ministry accusing him of being a "cult leader" because he preached against their unbiblical beliefs. They still do to this very day.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779Yeah they won't listen to me so I lay down my mantle and pray the "prophetic movement" dies. The true prophets will be resurrected. I assume you are talking about William branham. He did get off course but was gifted. Ten years ago an angel came to me in a dream and told me I was more skilled than William branham. People are just not good Stewards of the gifts and have no discernment to keep it pure. The fact African witchcraft is operating in these Deliverance ministries says a lot in lack of discernment.
@@shenquejames7598 How can you be sure of that when he (and then his family) has had close contact with one pastor for at least a decade. It was Trump who reached out to that pastor, which indicates he was looking to begin a relationship with God. Ten years overturns your claim that he was not a praying person when he left office in 2020.
But the servants of Achish said to him, “Is this not David, the king of the land? Did they not sing of this one as they danced, saying, ‘Saul has slain his thousands, And David his ten thousands’?” Wasn't King David celebrated???? While some may actually set President Trump up as their idol---the mature lovers of GOD do not.
Do you remember that time that Jeremiah gave that really vague prophesy about how King Zedekiah was a chaos candidate and how his inauguration was activating something in the spirit realm? Me neither.
They all just wear me out. The irony of Cindy Jacob’s group. I stopped listening to them all. That’s just where I at right now. Thank you for this video!
Cindy Jacob's word of warning she gave months ago I think stirred up fear. I didn't feel comfortable about it. You hear it and then you begin to fear and wait for doom to happen and become fearful. Alot of things have been prophesied by certain prophets that haven't cone about. You really have to be discerning. I think some give their own opinions of what God is saying or they think their dreams are prophetic. I'm real skeptical on some of them now days.
Same. I feel like I have been hearing vague or hyped prophetic words for 30 years, all smoke and mirrors. It’s a sideshow and distraction. Just imagine if the same passion and intense interest was focused on a deeper understanding of Scripture and its application to our lives. The spirit of prophecy is supposed to be the testimony of Jesus, not current events and speculations.
Exactly!! Everyone sees in part. I believe we as individuals need to search it out with the Lord. Words do not always come to pass at the moment. They can take years.
The Lord has really convicted me about how He doesn't like chanting..or vain repetition (Matthew 6:7)....We need to be careful not to chant mens' names, like Trump, or even "USA, USA..." etc. (And I am a Trump supporter btw.) It's idolatry, plain and simple. Too many people made an idol out of Trump before, and it cannot happen again. He is just a man, though I believe God is using him for good.
I agree that they are only showing partial clips and then saying, why didn't they say this or that but some of it was addressed. It isn't a fair assessment.
Glory be to the most high, trust God when you pray it works. He said all we need to do is ask in prayers!!! After so much struggles I now own a new house with an influx of $330,000.00 every month God has kept to his words,my family is happy again
After I raised up to 745k trading with her I bought a new House and a car here in the states 🇺🇸🇺🇸 also paid for my 10yrs old son's brian surgery (Oscar). Glory to God.shalom.
I've always wanted to be involved for a long time but the volatility in the price has been very confusing to me. Although I have watched a lot of UA-cam videos about it but I still find it hard to understand.
What if the called prophecy was a good one?? Would they call it out as a false prophecy? & why do we think prophecy is only supposed to be good , NOT BIBLICAL tat all
If you all are here to Judge prophecies. Then you judge it as led of the Lord. Not to add more confusion to it. This is not Judging the word. This is discussion of it. And unfortunately it brings more confusion to both what Emma said and what Judy said. This is why prophets should judge prophecies. And honestly, many prophets are not matured enough to even judge their own words not to talk of another prophet’s. God help us all
So we can just say anything we want now and claim the ‘audible’ voice of God said it to us. Why cant we read the Word and live the Word rather than claim prophecy is about who the best future predictor is. The 7 heads of leviathan is the most ridiculous thing. These people should be ashamed of themselves.
Everyone seems so afraid of Trump, and the amount of hate toward him is unreal. Personally, I put my trust in God, not in man. I admit, I was once foolish, putting my faith in so-called prophets. Here’s what I stand for: I hate abortion, I hate seeing our country overtaken by the LGBT movement, and I’m deeply concerned about schools with teachers pushing indoctrination onto our children. Chaos will come to those in power who are working to destroy families, mislead children, and resist everything that bears the name of Jesus. Man will always fail, but Jesus never will. He is the only one worthy of our faith.
There's two issues here. 1. The Prophecies - either they're from the Lord or they're not. 2. And perhaps just as important is the WAY you're judging prophecy - which is baffling and a bit worrying. It's as if you're talking about a student's essay - "I see what HE'S trying to say..." etc etc. Really? A prophecy is someone putting across their point of view? Even your comparison with scripture is dubious as if any prophecy must always conform to something which occurs in the Bible - whch is different from conforminmg to the SPIRIT of scripture.(And , unfortunatley, that spirit of scripture is sadly lacking from your often mocking stance (but always with a smile of course) and your diversion into areas of knowledge and history where you feel secure - neither of which helps anyone properly assess the subject matter of this video.).
“Emperor Constantine I, also known as Constantine the Great, was heavily involved in the Council of Nicaea, an ecumenical council held in 325 CE to address Christian doctrine and beliefs” This is what comes up when you search for it.
One thing I’ve also noticed about Starks demeanor. She seems to have that same spirit to me of a liberal newscaster or media person that we see on the liberal stations condemning Trump for just about everything.
Then you don't know Emma Stark. She says what she sees and what she hears. Nit what your ears want to hear. Let me ask you, is Trump's character Jesus like?
@@shenquejames7598 actually at the end of the video this broadcast showed part of Emma says, “and those of you that voted for Trump, you got what you deserved.” I have listened to many of Emma’s Power Hour and other teachings. Learned some from her, too. She definitely has a liberal bent. Listen to her series on Women in the Church.
Your evaluation of two words was very off….Jeremiah Johnson repented for presumption in giving his word of Trump getting in 2020 . He had a dream and two of three things happened immediately. He assumed third would happen in 2020 instead of waiting on The Lord re: timing. He humbled himself and globally repented.
One of them was also wrong claiming that Constantine was a good guy and that the soldiers sent to battle to kill wearing crosses was good a good thing. Constantine was used by Satan to alter Christianity and make Christians lukewarm.
Absolutely correct. God does not take IDOLATRY lightly. The American church demanded a king that would make their earthly kingdom great again vs being about the kingdom of God and HIS plan for this nation…
@@odeah883Amen.. I been sayin this.. He turned my parents from loving Christians who only watched Christian tv to racist right wing conspiracy nuts who only watch Fox News and see Trump as the literal messiah.. breaks my heart…
Miller brings up a good point. Where were they back in 2020. Maybe it’s because they had egg on their face with false prophecies and so now they’re trying to actually judge what’s being said. However for me who are these guys judging for the whole world? Shouldn’t church up in Scotland that these people attend. Shouldn’t they be the ones who judge whether their prophecy is of the Lord or not. And then send it out globally
Emma Stark is a true prophetic voice. In fact, she prophesied about God exposing sexual sin in the Church. She specifically spoke about Mike Bickle and...........WELL, we know the story.
If you know, I would appreciate you directing me to the source material (video, article, etc) where Ms. Stark is reported to have made this prophecy. I would like to look at it. Thanks!
Thanks be to God for you guys and this discussion. We in the body of Christ need this so badly. Why are we so afraid to be truthful and honest in the body? We are called to truth for a purpose. God help us to be true to you and to honour you in everything.
Could you please speak to the judgements metric APCE applied to call Emmas word False because they are fearful that someone may make happen in the natural? Also, when I heard the word the day it was released, I prayed over the interpretation and I saw Trump losing his teeth as a sign of him losing his "bite" in his rhetoric, less backbiting etc. This week we have heard he is meeting with hostile news anchors and saying he is going to try work more with the media. This seems to be sign of his biting words changing which could connect to her vision. I don't understand how they can say the Leviathan part is false and say at the same time that it is already in the world and prophesied by others?
I am a charismatic also but I have become suspicious of most prophetic voices these days. There are very few that I will even give an ear to anymore, including all these prophets featured in this video. And by the way physics can give accurate words sometimes. Familiar Spirits know a lot about people.
I think you meant psychics ? Agree, I don't waste time listening to the latest "word", when I can instead read God's Word, a more sure word of prophecy.
Because all prophecy has already been written in scripture. Today's true prophets are those enlightened by the Fathers spirit to reveal the meaning of said prophecies we've already been given in scripture, not to make up stuff.
@@jdaze1well wasn’t God so silly to place gifts in the body, ( including prophets).for the perfecting of the church. Until that which is perfect has come. Do you see perfection ( mature) yet.
You just spoke some wise words. There are some good prophets, but few. The ones spoken about here are not true prophets. And you are right, psychics have the same ability to receive valuable information from Spirit, information that helps people, not harms them.
@@ChinaDavis-c3w Daniel 9. All visions and prophecy was sealed up at the 490 years. John the Baptist (who came in the spirit of Elijah) spoke all final biblical prophecies. They are sealed up with no more vision of understanding until the very end when the spirit of Truth returns to open our blinded eyes and reveals the meaning of prophecy already given. As noted thruout the OT. No more need for new prophecies. Everything we need to know about future events has already been given. Prophets now are to reveal the mystery and understanding of what's already been given.
This is all very grieving to my heart. It saddens me to see the church remain divided. But I know this is nothing new. I've listened to many prophetic voices who given words of warning and for prepping for food shortages etc... Lord help us become humble before you and learn too listen more and speak less. Those who have years in faith and claim to speak prophetically are now looking like workers of division. Lord I pray we spend more time with you and your word, seeking your Spirit to teach us, guide us, and heal us.. than spending time watching media and then claiming prophetic word for said political and cultural events and people.
amen! make prophecy local again!! Thank you! That's the biblical way. I don't understand why these so many called prophets think they are speaking God's words to the world-wide church! We don't know who they are...their characters or the fruit of their lives! That only happens within the local church
I really hope you watched Emma et alia on "When Prophets seem to disagree".and consider Church history since Constantine when the political spirit entered the Church and ushered in martyrdoms
When I heard Emma talk about the Trump dream (I think it was a dream she said) getting punched, when she said his teeth were knocked out and there was blood, I heard “like a lion with no teeth he will not be able to devour his prey”… so I think he will not be able to get traction in getting things turned around maybe…
I would also like to know how Dr. Michael Brown, RT Kendall, Sam Storms, Jack Deere, Ken Fish view this. And are there solid teachers/shepherds in the acpe group?
@@DianeOforiThere seems to be two versions of the document posted by Cindy Jacob’s. The version on her Facebook page has Mr. Fish as a signatory. I attempted to post a link for you, but it didn’t stick.
@ so did Ken Fish whom these two have had on their show a few times critiquing other ministries. I did not hear them calling Ken out, but rather criticizing Jacobs for not calling people out
Those Prophets need the HOLY FEAR OF GOD. They really don't know who they are facing when they die. A HOLY, HOLY GOD who watches over HIS WORD to perform it. WOE, to those false Prophets.
So at the end of the first clip the gentlemen said there would be a bunch of riots then a period of what seems like peace. Now going into the election, I would have thought the same thing, not prophetically, just from using judgement based on previous experience. But to my knowledge there have been no riots yet. That looks like a miss already to me.
There have been many "riots" ... in the cities and at the borders. We also just had a very contentious election that created "riots" even within families. Whoever gave the word about riots gave an accurate prophecy. God bless!
It's simple, too much prophetics voices are in fact prophesying with their flesh. And the other obvious point is : the church is CRAZY with this Trump issue. And it is a BIG problem.
I do agree there are way too many so called prophets who claim to be prophets to nations. I know seasoned and tested prophets. They’ve paid high prices to operate on a high level. They don’t fly around the throne of God” like Emma claims to have done. She also claims to have found Jesus brokenhearted and she had to go put her arms around Him & comfort Him . She disqualified herself a long time ago. Plus she holds Zoom classes and courses to “raise up more prophets.” At the end of about 2 yrs, she gives them a certificate that says they are prophets. That’s NOT how God operates. He calls prophets. You don’t qualify to be a prophet by virtue of “replicating” more prophets. She “teaches” her students to gather others and bring them to be prophets too. There is NO Scripture that says the proof of a true prophet is replicating themselves. These guys are trying to be generous but they’re not seeing all the disqualifying elements in Emma’s life.
@@ays5696 I would appreciate it if you could direct me to the source of her claiming to fly around the throne of God and comforting a brokenhearted Jesus. I would like to investigate it. Thanks!
The church obediently gave what the Father told them to share.The true ones spoke and so much has come to pass. That is a test in Gods timing. They arent crazy..
@@ays5696I took a look at the brochure for the prophetic ministry school. Its expensive and requires you to be present in Scotland twice. First page has a woman holding a staff. I've never seen anyone in the body of Christ who have used a staff like Mosses. I think this ministry is affecting people's mental healthy gravely.
Most powerful statement of this episode: “We’re talking really low percent….Less than 5% accuracy for national prophets”. I’m not a Cessationist. I’m completely convinced that prophecy and all the gifts of the spirit are available to (and active in) the church today. However, we are seeing people speaking ‘words’ for gain, we’re seeing people speak presumptuously instead of limiting their words to exactly what God has said, and we’re seeing people speaking from the spirit of the age rather than the Spirit of God… One of the saddest things is, no one seems to have enough discernment to know truth from hype or deception. Why is that? Because we don’t know the Word of God properly, nor do we know the legitimate, biblical, patterns of the working of the Spirit of God.
I do agree. What is interesting is your statement in response to the question that you asked: “Because we do not know the Word of God properly.” There are over 200 different Christian denominations in the US, and the common denominator of them all is that each believes that their perspective is the “proper” way to interpret the Scriptures. And that leads to your second point which encounters the same issue - there are many perspectives on what is considered to be “legitimate, Biblical patterns of the working of the Spirit.” Knowledge of the Bible is good, but in and of itself it produces the two hundred and twenty some different perspectives (denominations) that we unfortunately have today. In my opinion, there is an ingredient missing from your answer. Knowledge of the Bible is good, but revelation of the Word imparted by the Holy Spirit is better.
Jeremiah Johnson said several times before the last election that Trump's ego will cause trouble but then he repented of what he said so I'm confused to which words he gave were from God. I wish he would have stood by what he had said. Because he never prophesied that Trump was going to win in 2020.
Regarding the Evangelical prophets' in America response to the Brits: It's evident to see fear in their faces and it's like: "what did we do?" Behind all those words of dismissal of the Brits and self vindication. They're spooked. Pride goeth before the fall.
Wowza on those worship songs. I had a two dreams about Trump being worshiped and being the American Idol. I don’t affiliate with Christians who worship him but I did vote for him because of policy.
Agree we didnt get Jezebel but I dont like Trump pride needs to be humble and do see chaos coming they will resist him also not happy with cabinet choices
I’m from the Uk I’ve seen extremes of both Trump worship and hate neither Godly, there are those of us in the middle and recognise that he’s a man with his faults and failings but does seem to have a talent for political strategy, that can ride through this chaos. I don’t like all the in fighting with the prophets but I think it’s necessary for a house cleanup. I think both sides have blind spots and character issues. I Think Emma’s vision was accurate but the interpretation was off imo. It would take too long to unpack here, I could be wrong time will tell.
You're not really speaking in tongues, you're not really prophesying, you're not really doing much of what you think you're doing. Repent. Make holiness your hobby : the joy of aiming for, and experiencing, perpetual intimacy with the Lord... an out of that, genuine charismatic gifts might flow. Yes eagerly desire them, but in the context of a close relationship with the Lord in love. Too many people just trying to "make things happen" with a career mentality. Yes I'm critical... but I'm at peace ; )
Emily - accusing ppl you don't know of not having gifts they regularly "do" is rather presumptuous. Skepticism about prophecy is totally understandable but to accuse ppl of not having the gift of tongues is unkind, unfair & unwarranted. It only shows your limited understanding here. Pls try not to do this in future. Yes I do agree we are called to holiness - all of us - including Emma.
@DiGi377 Yes I understand what you're saying, and I was not speaking under the guidance of the Spirit.... But.... the "you're" I wrote, is a general "us all", as I'm personally convinced - through being (and I am not pridefully bragging here) a leader in a charismatic church for many years, having a great love for the word and the memorization of it, and a great love of theology, Church history and seeing where different ideas came from - that most people simply aren't speaking in tongues... they're just making it up. (but God sees the heart and the sound making is focusing and therapeutic)... I should know, I "spoke in tongues" for years. Surely you should be more, or as sceptical about that than prophecy? I just think people should really step back and actually look at themselves and be honest with themselves. I've been in church circles for 30 odd years as I approach my 50th year, and I've seen it all, and I've heard it all... endlessly: "revival is just around the corner"... A constant striving for the "new thing"... and I know I sound bitter and critical here, but I'm really not. I have though, lived with a debilitating long-term health condition and so I know how ridiculous people's expectation of what God has "guaranteed them" in the Atonement (word of faith type teaching etc), and simply not being able to see what is plainly in front of us, which is the fact that 99.999% of people we pray for are not miraculously healed (and not through a lack of faith a sin or an unbroken curse) My devotion to God has never been stronger, and my love of what I see him doing in my life and people around me (no matter what their slant on doctrine is) ... but these empirical evidences that are all around us should at least make us question what we think we are actually doing, and what we think God is actually doing... when he clearly isn't. God has different times for different things and we simply can't make them happen. Peace
I would advice all of you,if you haven't watched the original Emma stark video " God punched Trump in the mouth " vision, that you go & watch & listen care, even 2x. Because this discussion isn't a clear representation of exactly what was said & a few things are misquoted. Every word & how it was said & what prefaced it matters. But ultimately a good discussion calling out a bias against Emma that does cause us to question what did Emma do to tick them off so much?"
None of these people are prophets. Just bc you identify as a prophet doesn't make you a prophet. Lol I'm just glad God is exposing these people for who they truly are.
But we can walk in His peace even in the midst of chaos. Regardless of what happens He will go with us and before us and behind us. The gates of hell cannot prevail against His church.
She is right the choices were not great. I wish the council would give time for us to weigh the prophesy. The bible says don't judge anything before its time. It's sad this is the only word being rebuked when there are many false prophecies that have already passed & did not pan out. This shows they have a definite bias & it doesn't help some of them wrote the foreword on her book " Becoming the voice of GOD! They were saying she was a strong prophet, accurate, & courageous. So to see this rebuke is cringe.
Roundtree makes a good point about it’s the local church who should be judging someone who is giving a prophecy in their local church. In its beyond the local church they should be asking those in their network to judge if the prophecy is from God or not
As a Scottish-Irish British citizen, I had an issue with Stark's "prophesy" and her ego. I am also not keen on her Dame Edna appearance but it's her lack of any humility that made it hard for me to listen to her in the last year. Now I've learned that she encouraged people in her church to take the c0v1d j4bs and told them it was safe. That is UNFORGIVABLE. God definitely did not tell her that. Dangerous person. I would never believe another word that comes from her red painted gob.
Wow, this was a great discussion. I'm finding myself flip flopping on this issue, it's all a bit confusing! After listening to you guys it's helping me see things more clearly, thanks!
The Kim Clement words do not have to conflict with the word of Emma. It could be not, either or. But, and...and... Oh well most of the time we see it in hind sight.
Emma stark is NOT a false prophet !! We will see these words come to pass ! The Charismatic prophetic community doesn’t want to hear a word of judgment but the WORD is unfolding right before our eyes , very TRUE WORDS of these mature Prophets !!!!! 🙏 REVELATION 13
Thank you for providing a thoughtful evaluation of both sides of this issue. Whether Emma's word is true or not (and time will tell), I think this controversy reveals that there are some deep issues with the church that need to be addressed, especially in terms of how we test prophets and hold them accountable. Also, regardless of the truth of Emma's word, I think that it rightly points out that the church has given Trump too high a pedestal and we need to pray for him (and all of our leaders) to repent.
It is my understanding that Emma (at one point) called Sharron Stone her ‘spiritual mother’, and Stone is on the public statement/on council saying the word is false… if this relationship is real, this might be why Cindy is saying Emma should have reached out.
Part 1 I have a bit of a different take on this than what I've seen in the responses on her article. I'll be 78 the end of this year. I've been listening to God ever since he captured my heart 1986. And then 1989 I started hearing more after prophets came to our church in the vineyard. Sam Robertson, although a young prophet gave a very accurate word for Biden & Trump years back & what he said actually came true about God humbling them both (before Biden's false election.) I found him to be very accurate & also insightful, but there are some issues that need to be addressed. I love Emma Stark & she has been an immense blessing to me.
The chaos is the "words" that are given. This is a response to swing to the other side now since their "prophecies" bombed in 2020. Almost like a blind man groping around till he finds something
Cindy Jacobs should be cautious. She's banging her gavel on Emma's head. I believe Emma was just trying to give a word of warning to Trump. He should hear it and everyone else should shut up. Amen.
@@brightskyfireworksukMr. Duncan, it is a serious accusation to label someone a false teacher. I would like to look into this. I would appreciate it if you would provide three examples of your concern that I could investigate. Thanks!
@@Eagle-Ridge there are examples galore in all her broadcasts for the GPA. Just one example of her twisting God's Holy Word is that she maintains that God did not remove a rib from Adam to create Eve but that He literally cut Adam in half !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@brightskyfireworksuk I have reviewed approximately 150 hours of her teaching. I have not found “examples galore” as you maintain. Nor have I come across her saying that God did not remove a rib from Adam, but cut Adam in half. If you would be so kind to direct me where she said that, I would be happy to investigate it.
Hi, I am listening to this UA-cam as a lover of Jesus, and God, my father, and the Holy Spirit! I am not a profit, although I do prophesy, and the gifts of the spirit. And I am listening to as many videos as I can about the Emma Stone prophecy. It’s important how we present ourselves as children of the king to the world. And what I hear from this video is a sense of condescending in the conversation. And in the first part of the video, there was a statement that said, “I want to be nice…” And then the next statement said… “i’m not gonna be.” Immediately put me off.… and sent a signal of “ this is a person to be leary of”. This is a sister in Christ, speaking to brothers in Christ, letting you know how I feel about your attitudes. I’ve never seen any of you speak before and I don’t know of any of your churches. United States is a big place. Of course, I cannot know every child of the king… That speech does not seem to reflect a spirit of humility. President Trump elect, is President Trump elect. And whoever God places in authority is who got places in authority. It would do you well to be honorable and address the upcoming president of the United States by his status. I’m pretty sure you don’t call your doctor by his last name in a condescending manner. This is a man who is going to lead a nation. Am I sounding like your mother? Could be. Heathens are listening to you, this does not sound like a unified body of Christ ! If you could hear my voice, you would know I am saying this without condescending. BE NICE and say what you need to say.
I really like this. Thank you so much. 100% agree you with why have this counsel never challenged anything before. As someone who lives in the UK it appears incredibly biased towards trump and this is concerning that the global body of prophets can’t see their own faults
Response to ACPE's Follow-Up Statement
The Apostolic Council of Prophetic Elders (ACPE) has released a follow-up email addressing their critique of Emma Stark’s prophetic words. While they position their concerns as rooted in accountability and redemption, several contradictions and problematic elements stand out.
1. Disingenuous "Discernment"
ACPE claims to champion discernment, yet their track record includes vague and untestable prophecies spanning over a decade. From "great transfers of wealth" to cryptic metaphors tied to Jewish calendars, many of these words lack biblical clarity and accountability. It’s ironic that ACPE now positions itself as the gatekeeper of prophetic integrity while ignoring its own history of inaccuracies and generalizations.
Larry Sparks, James Goll, and Jennifer LeClaire have all either published, written, or falsely prophesied unbiblical nonsense that never came to pass. Why are they suddenly concerned with “prophetic integrity”? Even Cindy Jacobs is famous for her prophecies about Isaiah 35 and the “Highway of Holiness”-claiming that America would experience a great revival starting in Texas and working its way through the nation along Interstate 35.
2. Misrepresentation of Emma Stark
The ACPE email ambiguously states Emma Stark “was once a member of ACPE,” yet the video says she “is a member.” This inconsistency raises questions about the council's accuracy. Furthermore, their framing of Emma as "arrogant" and “sowing discord” is concerning. Disagreement does not equate to pride, and challenging the status quo should not automatically be labeled as divisive.
ACPE also implies authority over Emma as her "elders." Biblically, elders are part of one’s local church-not a distant prophetic council. This overreach underscores the council’s attempt to exert control beyond its biblical jurisdiction.
3. Selective Use of Scripture
The email references Proverbs 6:19, which condemns "sowing discord among brethren," implying Emma’s prophecy is tantamount to something God hates. Yet, they simultaneously deny labeling her a false prophet. The message becomes contradictory: she isn’t a false prophet, but her words and actions are cast as detestable to God. She is also called prideful and described as “not receiving correction.” This feels more like spiritual gaslighting than biblical correction.
The email accuses Emma and the Global Prophetic Alliance of creating a “generational divide” and sowing unrest among younger prophets. However, ACPE’s defensive tone about being perceived as "old wine" suggests they are projecting their own insecurities. Is the real issue Emma’s supposed harshness, or is it her refusal to conform to the established norms of ACPE’s prophetic culture?
4. Fixed and Redemptive Prophecies
The critique that Emma’s words “lack redemption” misunderstands the biblical nature of some prophecies. Not all prophetic judgments in Scripture are avoidable through prayer (e.g., David’s loss of his son despite fasting, Esau not being able to receive back his father's blessing after much repenting and weeping, or Saul's kingdom being torn away, or Babylonian Exile). While ACPE highlights 2 Chronicles 7:14, they seem to ignore instances where God’s judgment is final and unchangeable. It is inconsistent to suggest every prophetic word must include a pathway for redemption.
5. Testing Prophetic Words
Emma’s prophetic imagery about Trump is uncomfortable, but it invites testing rather than dismissal. ACPE asserts her words are dangerous because they might inspire violence. This concern seems exaggerated, especially since Emma explicitly invited her audience to test her words and later clarified them to prevent misinterpretation. The council’s judgment against her feels more reactionary than thoughtful.
Conclusion
ACPE’s response to Emma Stark highlights a broader issue within the prophetic movement: a lack of self-awareness and accountability among those claiming to steward prophetic gifts. Their vague and often untestable prophecies undermine the credibility of genuine prophetic ministry. Meanwhile, their handling of Emma Stark’s words comes across as controlling and inconsistent, with a thinly veiled attempt to silence dissent.
Let’s remember that prophetic ministry is not about pleasing councils or conforming to tradition but about faithfully delivering God’s message-even when it challenges the powerful or disrupts the comfortable. If ACPE truly seeks discernment and accountability, they should start by addressing their own prophetic record.
-Joshua Lewis, Founder & Host, The Remnant Radio
To add to what you said -regarding your point 5-it might be interesting if people would read Psalm 3. That's all I'm going to say. I'm in agreement with the points you have made.
Well articulated and well said!
Very much in agreement and appreciate your evaluation of the situation
@@conniereagan Jeremiah 23 would also be a great reference 😉
@@conniereagan Also Jeremiah 14:13-16 👍
Just to give you a note:
Cindy Jacobs came to the Philippines in 2004 and 2010. She even prophesied that one of our prominent Pentecostal Leaders will be the next President of the Philippines. He lost the presidency 2 times big time. I am sorry to tell everyone that the Charismatic Prophetic Movement has done great damage to the National Level. The organizers who always invite her, I don't know if they learn their lesson because this create big time division in the Evangelical Body.
Im sorry guys but the Prophetic Movement should undergo Reformation and Revival again.
We do need Charismatic Reformation in the Philippines.
I agree with you, Sir! I also thought about the "hotcake" prophecy of Cindy Jacobs back then especially that in 2004. about the Philippines, blah, blah, blah..it never happened! So, so much about what i call "prophecy idolatry!" We better stand in the word of the Lord, the word of the Lord doesn confuse us nor make us fanatic but the word of the Lord surely instructs us to sound mind..
I Loved her prophecy in Maui about them getting new houses and a month later they all burned down lol sad but if you believe the opposite of what she says then she's right? Lol.
Let me be very clear: If there is only one thing I agree with her prophecy: The Expose of Evil, God transforming the Philippines and the Church will reach University Campuses. It actually happened but with regards to the 2004 and 2010 presidency, sorry I don't buy that and I disdain that.
I totally agree. I don’t listen to Cindy Jacob’s and all the others aligned with her in the Charismatic Prophetic Movement. I also stopped watching Sid Roth or reading anything from the Elijah list. All of them have given false words or words with a political agenda. I’m not at all knocking the true prophets. God has called other true Endtime prophets that are not yet recognized nationally or globally. I have heard three black prophets who have confirmed what Emma Stark has prophesied about Trump and America. Emma Stark is a true Endtime prophet.
@limegreen90 A lot of these charismatic "prophets" they are heavily involved in Catholic mysticism which is straight up witchcraft. Much of the Evangelical charismatic and vineyard churches are under the Roman Catholic Church now. You see the same pattern of moral failure just as the Catholic Church because it's the same spirit.
May the Lord cleanse, purge and purify the prophetic movement. May we all get back to the Word of God, and know His Voice. This division grieves the heart of God. May His will be done in the nations. 🙏🏻
God is testing hearts at this time--especially pride Judgement begins in the House of the Lord and our repentance is key.
Witchcraft has blinded the eyes of the church in general.
@@lcawkertrue…
Yes yes 🙂🙂🙂
@@Jlmckay23 why would God need to do this. When their are no modern-day prophets.
It amazes me that Cindy Jacob’s and her team can call out Emma Stark and denounce the WORD Emma gave but not once in 25 years have they addressed or corrected those whom have gave public prophetic words that was wrong , didn’t come to pass or address the immoral life of those whom gave them !!
Interesting!
@@SpiritOfRevelation777 OH STOP. YOU need to wake up. That is not what's going on at all. You are deceived.
@@ann275 ok Ann. Tell me whats really going on please. Trump is fighting evil? Is that whats going on? Gods using him? Whats Elon doing? Whats Neuralink? Whos going to wake you up? Because by the time you see the truth it will be too late. He will make America great again and bring peace and prosperity using AI robot multiskilled workforce and military and then you will need to take the Mark to participate in that system. All the best.
@@SpiritOfRevelation777... Please DO NOT speak for everyone in your comment. That is not true. Some yes, but the majority no! Many who support him pray for him. We certainly don't idolize him. Can we not be proud that there is an American leader, though still green and young in his understanding and relationship in Christ.. cares about this nation and does not align himself with the ways of Baal and the Luciferian agenda in this nation, in our government?. It's tiresome that as a Christian we have to defend yourselves because we are constantly hearing this narrative. We want a leader who is a Patriot, cares, supports, wants to protect this nation, help to upholding biblical truths.
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That guy who was in the hotel room said Emma's prophesy for him 'could have been from God, I guess'. That scorn on his face as he said it was very telling. Thank God he has given me the gift of discernment. All I will say is, I hope you all apologise to Emma when the word comes to pass.
I do believe the church idolizes Trump in a sense. When he changed his position on the pro-life issue, I tried to call church leaders who had access to Trump to speak boldly about his shift. I would acknowledge I was not talking about refusing to vote for him, but at the very least that the church was voting with eyes wide open and with disagreement with the man on the issue of life for the unborn. I believed and shared that the church was on trial in a sense regarding our stance on life. We were speaking "empty words", or were we sincere.. My exhortations for righteousness from the church were rejected out right with most of them saying we can't make it more difficult for Trump to get elected. More difficult for an election? What about the God we serve and His command to us for holiness?
The Trump worship has blinded many eyes. Im not anti-Trump. I looked up to him as an entrepreneur I followed him and bought his books and loved his tv show. When I came to faith and saw his run for presidency I was interested. When I saw him use his same business techniques and manipulations to attract votes and Christians in general I was appalled at how successful he was. Now I believe he and Elon are rapidly ushering in the Beast System.
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Trump also changed his position on vaccines and Christians ignored that.
@@SpiritOfRevelation777Elons Neurolink brainchip should be very concerning to Trump supporters.
@ very.. just look at his parents and the mother of his children who goes by the artist name of Grimes. Heavy, heavy witchcraft.
I have a question: On what date and time did God designate Cindy Jacobs and Jennifer LeClaire as the prophetic voices of the church to reign over and judge all others? I've tested the spirits as we're commanded to do and this is evil. I didnt even get a vote. 😮
Yes they call themselves ‘Generals.’ Does God?
@bubalinka100 They've built their own thrones/idols... 😭
Yup, such a big poopy 💩 mess for sure! This is one real reason why a lot of people don't want to become a Christian! I can't say I blame them either. We need healing in the Body of Christ. Help us Lord!
We have group A calling group B heretics and group B calling group A heretics, and C calling group A & B heretics etc etc. The stone throwing and mud slinging just never ever seems to STOP! Good gracious! Just so sickening and super sad.
Can we please just get off this crazy merry-go-round mess!?... 🤮
Age of chaos has been unlocked???!! What in the world have we been living in for the past several years.
Maybe pre-chaos
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I was at a prophetic conference in Nashville and Emma said very strong political statements from the pulpit in favor of Europe’s political system. It seems that their political views could be affecting their prophetic words. This sounds familiar.
This is most likely going against the (seemingly American) prophetic council’s opinions and or words.
I agree. I do wonder if this "word" was influenced by a Euro-centric worldview.
I'm european. I didn't hear Emma's Word but, from what I see, I'm sorry my brothers and sisters from the US but I'm so confuse and shock about how many of you handle this "Trump" mania. You mix politics and faith in such a way that is shocking. Maybe Emma did the same thing but definitely a part of the american church do that all the time all the year. I whish you could realize it because I don't think it will bring you blessing....
@@sawette23I am American and agree with you.
@@sawette23 There are no doubt sone Christians get the political & Christian meshed too much. The Christians & leaders I know are not trusting in politics or making politics their god. They ARE and have been seeking God, many prayer groups & individual Christians since the 1980’s for our government leaders to be more pro-church, pro-Judeo -Christian values as our country is built on them, etc. The Democrat Party and its leaders have actively fought against these things and worked to enact laws opposed to these things. It’s not wrong to be excited when a majority of the country voted to go back to those foundational truths and relieve the Christian’s of the very real persecution that has been happening to them with increasing intensity.
Trump wants Christianity and churches and synagogues to be free as our constitution guarantees. The other side was going to go after us with a vengeance, kill more babies and lead us into so many destructive paths.
Totally agree
I think a lot of what God is doing over here is offending a lot of people all over the world.
And I always have discerned Emma’s tone also.
I'm so grateful for my LOCAL pastor and my LOCAL church!
Thats why I stopped watching all kinds of tv, even and specially christian tv ages ago. Its bad for the soul!!!
Did they take Emma's word down? If not, can anyone tell me where I can find it? Ty 🤷🏼♀️
I’m tired of ‘all’ of the drama and noise. In my opinion, the past year has been a season of house cleaning. Since Mike Bickle’s abuses were revealed a year ago last October, many mega religious organizations have fallen for similar abuses. Along with Cindy Jacobs and Chuck Pierce, The Apostolic Council of Prophetic Elders also has James Goll and Mark Hamon as members. These two were also members of the KC Prophets when Mike Bickle first arrived on the scene back in the 90’s. James Goll posted a very bizarre response to Mike Bickle’s allegations this time last year. And the ACPE waited until last Spring to make their very watered down statement. Cindy is very good friends with Rick Joyner. Cindy had Chris Reed provide prophetic words within her group at least twice in recent years. Personally, I’m steering clear of all of these people. DayStar is going through its upheaval, of course. Jimmy Evans is alleged to have been involved in being Joni’s mouthpiece in putting her kids in their place. So, all of these people who’ve become very rich in the religion business have lost their credibility. Now we’re witnessing a religious version of the WWE between these groups. And I personally doubt we’ll see anyone emerge a winner. I won’t be watching this segment, sorry. I just don’t have the stomach for any of this anymore. I am praying that true, prophetic voices will begin to emerge soon. But I’m also praying that the body is learning how to discern between the true and the false. If the charlatan’s don’t have followers, they won’t get traction and muddy the waters with their nonsense and silly, dramatic escapades.
What we are seeing is the prophetic shown between the true prophets of God and the prophets of Baal like in the day of Elijah
@@Annathewatchman you may be right.
@@Annathewatchmanwho’s who according to you?
Don’t forget Jimmy Evans worked closely under Robert Morris and they were longtime friends
@ yes. Very important.
Eight years ago The Lord tried to caution those that were listening. Four years ago He gave us our medicine hoping we would humble ourselves and repent. Now He’s letting our own idolatry play out. It’s not Trump, it’s the hearts of the people driving the narrative.
Yeah we should have voted for the very moral and wise Kamala, right?
Your missing the point completely @Mike65809
@@Mike65809 yes big time word salad who left our soldiers to be murdered in Afghanistan amongst all her other great accolades .Makes zero sense .
IF they disagree, then make it clear with whom you disagree. Otherwise it causes more problems, more speculation, more bitterness.
That’s a good point
That’s what I think too. I saw the Emma Stark video but I didn’t listen to it because of the title. The title didn’t bear witness with my spirit so I didn’t listen to it.
Then I saw Cindy Jacob’s video and watched it and I was wracking my brain trying to remember Emma’s name. I didn’t appreciate it because it was a distraction from what they were saying. It just didn’t sit well with me. We are suppose to be family and the honest ones.
I agree, they should have given the name when they started talking about this situation. Because what I saw in the comment section, on Jennifer's page, was a lot of people making guesses as to who they thought it was. Several mentioned Jeremiah Johnson and a couple other prophets. To me, this caused a confusion and brought false accusations. 🤨
THANK YOU!!! You guys have been saying the exact same thing that my friends and I have said regarding this nonsense.
It feels like petty middle school drama on one level and it’s really sad. Thank you for such a through review of both sides.
“Make Prophecy Local Again” 💯💯💯
This is all such a crazy mazy dizzy mess! Ugh! 😩
Makes me just wanna shut it ALL off , and go bing watch Beardmeatsfood. 🤪
This word given was so far off the mark it sounds more like the accuser than anything else . We have to grow up with sheep and goats but we dont have to be in agreement with goats . It is annoying beyond measure . God please have mercy on America and the President you gave us . I def dont worship Trump but do pray for him and all those around him . Way to much polarizing in this conversation . Respect and honor are not idolatry .
I agree that there is an awful lot of judgment going on. "Judge yee not, lest thou be judged." Amen. It's sick and why many people, like me, won't even walk into a church anymore, and I am prophetic. God's voice is being shut down all over the world, by those who proclaim to be the only church. It's disgusting.
People do not worship Trump. That is a silly and stupid notion. Trump is recognized by many people as a hero for his courage to go after a very demonic cabal of men, who are very dangerous. He is risking his life every minute. Are any of you so brave? You are all confused about Trump. Wake up!!! Get your head out of your false religious beliefs. Trump is God's Chosen one for this time period. He is doing a great work, both Trump AND God.
I agree with all you wrote, Susan, I'm praying for God's mercy and help for our country and the president and leaders. I have to judge prophesy like we're told to.
What people need to remember is, it says in the Bible that "we prophesy in part"
That means ..prophets don't know it all. I think a persons opinion gets included sometimes. We need to judge prophesy and pray. There are many instances in The Bible where people prayed and God heard their prayers and answered them . He's a God of both Mercy. & Judgement. Let's keep praying.❤love one another don't hate. Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks. Beware prophets..on both sides, guard your hearts .❤
@@deborahleerebischke2165 That is a beautiful scripture and thank you for sharing it . We do need to guard our hearts and walk in the full armour of God . Blessings
I hear from the Lord. Local level. And what I hear does not line up with this prophecy. I am seeing a season of building and restoration for the church. Trump is a player but not the key player in the church this is what I’m seeing
God bless you and Hallelujah! You're hearing from God instead of the Republicans, the Democrats or The Church. "Well done my good and faithful servant!" 😉🙌
two things can be true at the same time.
@@conniereagan Not two opposites.
I have contemplated this for a while but now I have come to realize that the ‘Christianity’ in the USA is an alternate version, different from every other nation.
I tell you, but unfortunately it’s spreading to different parts of the world
Its full of pride.. hence why it idolizes a man but lies like it doesnt..
It is and I think many (though not all,) find it hard to understand that to most of the world their way of 'doing church' is quite alien.
Not true , sheep and goats will always be part of the journey until Jesus returns .
I've listened to both videos. Some of you guys have made errors in your discussion here. Do some research on Constantine for one. Some of your issues with Cindy's and Emma's videos are comparing apples to oranges. Not saying Cindy's or anyone else hasn't gotten it wrong at times. You guys are not the end all judges of prophetic word. We're all human, not Jesus.
Exactly. It's hard to believe that they are not cessationists.
Ohhh, I think they all need to take a deep breath and stop prophesying. Teach the declared word. The WORD will guide, protect and conform us into the image of Christ. Thanks guys for challenging the goofy bunch. They forsook the Gospel a long time ago.
Absolutely ❤
Yes teach the Word of God and pray and pray some more
Yes! I believe that word is a warning to the church to not be infatuated with their preferred leader. We need to be infatuated with Gods word. If you have to constantly preface that Trump isn’t your savior, (or any leader) yet your actions and conversations revolve around him, there is a problem. The divisions that will be….because of the obsessions…ARE causing chaos in the church. When CHRIST is FIRST and center…all the things are little things…because GOD isn’t diminished whether we are thriving or not. He never changes, His plans will not be thwarted. When we’re so afraid to call out brothers and sister, in love, afraid of hurting feelings or because of the fear of man, your faith isn’t in Christ, it’s in the people you idolize. It’s easy to spot evil when it’s blatant. When things are going well and the money is rolling in, that’s when we need to be most vigilant. The devil is disguised in our comforts
You dont just propheisieng..Gd speake ! Do you even hear yourself ?
"But I tell you that for every careless word that people speak, they will give an account of it on the day of judgment."
Matthew 12:36
The Church needs to return to PRAYER. I CANNOT FIND A CHURCH THAT HOLDS A MID-WEEK PRAYER MEETING EVEN 'THO JESUS SAID "MY HOUSE SHALL BE CALLED A HOUSE OF PRAYER." We all need to read again Leonard Ravenhill!
Modern day prophets are a dime a dozen. Whoever has the best social media platforms, biggest personalities, social a., and generality, is guaranteed to capture the biggest audience. Reminds me of Jeremiah's day. Unfortunately, most of the non-denom Charistmatic world is gravely Biblically illiterate and malnurished in authentic Christian fellowship, which makes them prime audience from the Emmas, Cindys, Dutches, Bickles, Elijah listers, etc. Glad you made the video.
Very sound, reasonable commentary on the turmoil surrounding Emma Stark’s Prophecy. I really appreciate the soundness of your discussion based on Biblical principles.
They thought it was worthy of rebuke because of the violence it could instigate, and there was no call for repentance or prayer.
No, they are rebuking it because is is FALSE PROPHECY. It is WAY OFF BASE. It is a lie.
May God help us all... this is why we need to quiet ourselves and wait on the Lord.😢
My wife had a dream and I think is okay to share. She saw a large field with a large house in it. The house was surrounded by large cedar trees, and in front of the house were doves that were like statues. As she drew near to the field, the doves changed in to rotted raven corpses. We interpreted this as the church in the USA (the field being the nation or field where the church works), the trees representing powers and principalities attacking the true church. The fake doves represent all the fake Christians in the church. Next she saw a house next to it that was brand new. It had no lawn, only dirt, and though the house was nice, it was not as big as the first house. We took this to mean that God is going to re-start or renew the church in the USA. It’s going to be a new thing, and it won’t be connected to the past. It’s also going to be smaller, but without fakers. Maybe someone here can confirm the interpretation.
spooky!
I believe this dream is absolutely correct. Great dream! I think you interpreted it correctly. God is destroying the old misguided church with its false and bad doctrines, and bringing in the new. Many Christians will not recognize what is happening.
doves also represent humility, as evident by the following verse: "Be humble as a dove and wise as a serpent," when Noah sent a raven out of the ark and didn't return the second time, A new beginning , in a new earth. Raven are very smart animals by nature and resourceful. By them being dead and rotted means " God resists the proud and gives grace to humble" and that their wise plans and resourcefulness are dead and rotten. By the doves looking like statues, in that the large house , is that they have built themselves idols cloacked in fake humility evident by Colosians 2:18 "do not let anyone who DELIGHTS in fake humility and the worship of angels disqualify you". The smaller house , no lawn or dirt, to me sounds the church that think its poor, that doesn't have roots or green pasture, and not as big as those mega ministries or churches, this reminds of the Church of Smyrna " I know of your aflicitons and poverty but YOU ARE RICH. The way your wife saw the church might also mean that the true church of the Lord in America is about to suffer, evident by what follows for that church as we read in the book of Revelation and pay attention what the Lord says about the church that think its rich and lacks nothing . Let the Lord Jesus, guide and confirm this to you and come to your own conclusions. Blessings!
Amen I receive this. Thank you for sharing and this is Confirmation.
@@jaredberryman-hivelead confirming just confirming
Thanks for this video! A big problem with the opposing view by Cindy Jacobs and her people, hosted and posted by Jennifer LeClair Ministries, was that I posted corrective comments about their biased "prophesies." Jennifer was offended by what I said about their lack of credibility and responded as such to my comment. When I responded to her offense with facts, she said nothing. Then, within minutes completely shut the comment section down. I wish I had screenshot what I had posted because all of her other videos allow comments (as of this writing). My view is that if you throw a rock in a pack of dogs the only one who squeals is the one who gets hit. Now they are posting about false prophets, etc. and doubling down on their statements. Their hypocrisy is deafening.
I noticed as well she shut down comments on the video. False prophets calling out false prophets. Pure lunacy
In this particular case, Cindy Jacobs and company are CORRECT. THey are exposing Emma Stark's false prophecy.
@@SpiritOfRevelation777 I've never heard of any of you, but Jennifer Le Claire is the real deal. But it shows who you THINK YOU ARE WITH YOUR DRIVE BY SMEARS
@ fair enough. I’ve deleted my comment..
@Rosalynd-sz4xf she's real deal huh? Here are the actual facts u imbecile. She claims to be an apostle. She doesn't even meet the requirements to be an apostle. A few of the requirements are. She must've seen the risen savior in the first person. Jesus would have come to that person individually in person to appoint them as an apostle. Which neither of these happened to her. Paul was the last apostle. She also claims to be a pastor. 2 Timothy is very clear, no women pastors! With her fake tongues gibberish. False prophecies that never come true. She is part of the NAR. Which is terribly flawed in the false doctrine of the 7 mountain mandate. She hangs around with false prophets like cindy Jacob's. Ask cindy how come she didn't prophesy about the devastating fires in Hawaii last summer. Because the year before that she was there. Giving this wonderful prophecy. She's a lying false prophet just like the blithering idiot emma stark. Jennifer is a fraud just like the rest of them. Gullible idiots like u only encourage them to keep spreading doctrine of demons & lies. If u have a problem with this. Go look in the mirror. That's ur problem.
I'm glad you named names, that was a concern for me. I think Emma's word is not easy to hear but time will tell. What will happen if Emma's word is correct
Most of the modern prophecies and "prophets" add so little value. They don't get people back to God, keep people from sin, or prevent personal disaster. Can we please have another Elijah, who will wreck the false prophets, or a Jonah, who will preach to a city?
Amen!
I believe it's coming soon, God is exposing the false right now..
Even if God were to send another Elijah, traditional Christianity won't listen to him. God already sent another Elijah decades ago, and the churches of traditional Christianity spent his entire 50 yr ministry accusing him of being a "cult leader" because he preached against their unbiblical beliefs. They still do to this very day.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779Yeah they won't listen to me so I lay down my mantle and pray the "prophetic movement" dies. The true prophets will be resurrected. I assume you are talking about William branham. He did get off course but was gifted. Ten years ago an angel came to me in a dream and told me I was more skilled than William branham. People are just not good Stewards of the gifts and have no discernment to keep it pure. The fact African witchcraft is operating in these Deliverance ministries says a lot in lack of discernment.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 who was this Elijah your talking about
Listen to Kim Clements prophecies about Trump not being a praying man when he goes into office but will be a praying man!
Fruit is what Jesus said to look for. Trump and Elon a speedily bringing the Beast System to fruition. My video on AI explains it.
He wasnt one the first time he came out of office. So it makes it hard to believe but I am watching
@@shenquejames7598 How can you be sure of that when he (and then his family) has had close contact with one pastor for at least a decade. It was Trump who reached out to that pastor, which indicates he was looking to begin a relationship with God. Ten years overturns your claim that he was not a praying person when he left office in 2020.
@@shenquejames7598people can change once they realize their calling.
Prophecy released in 2007 on Kim’s website; the next President was elected in 2008; inaugurated in 2009; in office 2 terms!
They never corrected a prophetic word is 25 years. 😳🤯
Bill Hamon said the organization started because of correcting a prophecy. Did I miss hear thus?
Has it ever dawned on you that God is bringing correction to that very thing and now you will begin to see it.
But the servants of Achish said to him, “Is this not David, the king of the land? Did they not sing of this one as they danced, saying, ‘Saul has slain his thousands, And David his ten thousands’?” Wasn't King David celebrated???? While some may actually set President Trump up as their idol---the mature lovers of GOD do not.
Yes, he was. The Bible doesn't necessarily endorse everything it describes.
@@tpw7250Thank you for making this point! David was the apple of God's eye, but still, God was disgusted by his perversion and thousands of women.
Yet Jesus has been the only spotless One.
@ChinaDavis-c3w 🙌
There is a call in that 1st word from Emma & Sam to call people to repent & seek God, there was a warning about idolitry.
Do you remember that time that Jeremiah gave that really vague prophesy about how King Zedekiah was a chaos candidate and how his inauguration was activating something in the spirit realm?
Me neither.
Lol
The atmosphere is accelerating again
Link please?
Smug.
They all just wear me out. The irony of Cindy Jacob’s group. I stopped listening to them all. That’s just where I at right now. Thank you for this video!
Cindy Jacob's word of warning she gave months ago I think stirred up fear. I didn't feel comfortable about it. You hear it and then you begin to fear and wait for doom to happen and become fearful. Alot of things have been prophesied by certain prophets that haven't cone about. You really have to be discerning. I think some give their own opinions of what God is saying or they think their dreams are prophetic. I'm real skeptical on some of them now days.
Same. I feel like I have been hearing vague or hyped prophetic words for 30 years, all smoke and mirrors. It’s a sideshow and distraction. Just imagine if the same passion and intense interest was focused on a deeper understanding of Scripture and its application to our lives. The spirit of prophecy is supposed to be the testimony of Jesus, not current events and speculations.
Amanda Grace has spoken of God humbling Mr. Trump also! No time frame of happenings but praying for him to submit and humble himself before the Lord!
Exactly!! Everyone sees in part. I believe we as individuals need to search it out with the Lord. Words do not always come to pass at the moment. They can take years.
The Lord has really convicted me about how He doesn't like chanting..or vain repetition (Matthew 6:7)....We need to be careful not to chant mens' names, like Trump, or even "USA, USA..." etc. (And I am a Trump supporter btw.) It's idolatry, plain and simple. Too many people made an idol out of Trump before, and it cannot happen again. He is just a man, though I believe God is using him for good.
It would've been good to have the original word she spoke on Nov 4th played first for the audiences sake. There was more to it.
I agree that they are only showing partial clips and then saying, why didn't they say this or that but some of it was addressed. It isn't a fair assessment.
Glory be to the most high, trust God when you pray it works. He said all we need to do is ask in prayers!!! After so much struggles I now own a new house with an influx of $330,000.00 every month God has kept to his words,my family is happy again
Hello how do you make such monthly??
I'm a born Christian and sometimes I feel so down 🤦of myself because of low finance but I still believe in God 🙏.
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I've always wanted to be involved for a long time but the volatility in the price has been very confusing to me. Although I have watched a lot of UA-cam videos about it but I still find it hard to understand.
What if the called prophecy was a good one?? Would they call it out as a false prophecy? & why do we think prophecy is only supposed to be good , NOT BIBLICAL tat all
If you all are here to Judge prophecies. Then you judge it as led of the Lord. Not to add more confusion to it. This is not Judging the word. This is discussion of it. And unfortunately it brings more confusion to both what Emma said and what Judy said. This is why prophets should judge prophecies. And honestly, many prophets are not matured enough to even judge their own words not to talk of another prophet’s. God help us all
I understand what you are saying. Seems very carnal.
So we can just say anything we want now and claim the ‘audible’ voice of God said it to us. Why cant we read the Word and live the Word rather than claim prophecy is about who the best future predictor is. The 7 heads of leviathan is the most ridiculous thing. These people should be ashamed of themselves.
Thank you! Well said sir. God's Word is sufficient. 🙏 ❤ 🙏
Everyone seems so afraid of Trump, and the amount of hate toward him is unreal. Personally, I put my trust in God, not in man. I admit, I was once foolish, putting my faith in so-called prophets.
Here’s what I stand for: I hate abortion, I hate seeing our country overtaken by the LGBT movement, and I’m deeply concerned about schools with teachers pushing indoctrination onto our children. Chaos will come to those in power who are working to destroy families, mislead children, and resist everything that bears the name of Jesus.
Man will always fail, but Jesus never will. He is the only one worthy of our faith.
Yours is one of the few comments I totally agree with. Thanks😍
I agree. Also, some people idolize Trump.
There's two issues here. 1. The Prophecies - either they're from the Lord or they're not. 2. And perhaps just as important is the WAY you're judging prophecy - which is baffling and a bit worrying. It's as if you're talking about a student's essay - "I see what HE'S trying to say..." etc etc. Really? A prophecy is someone putting across their point of view? Even your comparison with scripture is dubious as if any prophecy must always conform to something which occurs in the Bible - whch is different from conforminmg to the SPIRIT of scripture.(And , unfortunatley, that spirit of scripture is sadly lacking from your often mocking stance (but always with a smile of course) and your diversion into areas of knowledge and history where you feel secure - neither of which helps anyone properly assess the subject matter of this video.).
“Emperor Constantine I, also known as Constantine the Great, was heavily involved in the Council of Nicaea, an ecumenical council held in 325 CE to address Christian doctrine and beliefs”
This is what comes up when you search for it.
One thing I’ve also noticed about Starks demeanor. She seems to have that same spirit to me of a liberal newscaster or media person that we see on the liberal stations condemning Trump for just about everything.
Then you don't know Emma Stark. She says what she sees and what she hears. Nit what your ears want to hear. Let me ask you, is Trump's character Jesus like?
Yes, correct David. She has bought into all the vile lies of the media. How stupid. She is not a prophet.
@@flora5504of course it isn't but is anyone's character Christ like in Washington? They all need Jesus
@@kimberlymerritt8434 Emma has said that as well she is not bias against him
@@shenquejames7598 actually at the end of the video this broadcast showed part of Emma says, “and those of you that voted for Trump, you got what you deserved.” I have listened to many of Emma’s Power Hour and other teachings. Learned some from her, too. She definitely has a liberal bent. Listen to her series on Women in the Church.
Your evaluation of two words was very off….Jeremiah Johnson repented for presumption in giving his word of Trump getting in 2020 . He had a dream and two of three things happened immediately. He assumed third would happen in 2020 instead of waiting on The Lord re: timing. He humbled himself and globally repented.
One of them was also wrong claiming that Constantine was a good guy and that the soldiers sent to battle to kill wearing crosses was good a good thing. Constantine was used by Satan to alter Christianity and make Christians lukewarm.
The church is to repent for making Trump an idol/golden calf. Your trust should not be in any man. This is why we are being judged.
Absolutely correct. God does not take IDOLATRY lightly. The American church demanded a king that would make their earthly kingdom great again vs being about the kingdom of God and HIS plan for this nation…
@@odeah883Amen.. I been sayin this.. He turned my parents from loving Christians who only watched Christian tv to racist right wing conspiracy nuts who only watch Fox News and see Trump as the literal messiah.. breaks my heart…
It is easier to idolize men than to submit to God.
@@odeah883 exactly! Just like Israel demanded a king to be like the other nations and not have to surrender to God's will.
Thank you for honest reflection without bias.
This right here. 🎯🎯🎯
Miller brings up a good point. Where were they back in 2020. Maybe it’s because they had egg on their face with false prophecies and so now they’re trying to actually judge what’s being said. However for me who are these guys judging for the whole world? Shouldn’t church up in Scotland that these people attend. Shouldn’t they be the ones who judge whether their prophecy is of the Lord or not. And then send it out globally
Emma Stark is a true prophetic voice. In fact, she prophesied about God exposing sexual sin in the Church. She specifically spoke about Mike Bickle and...........WELL, we know the story.
Many people said sexual sin would be exposed, and no one has to have some special gift to say that.
If you know, I would appreciate you directing me to the source material (video, article, etc) where Ms. Stark is reported to have made this prophecy. I would like to look at it. Thanks!
Link?
@@donnamccormack88 yes link please
She probably knew. God didn’t have to tell her. It’s a tight community of obvious LIARS.
Thanks be to God for you guys and this discussion. We in the body of Christ need this so badly. Why are we so afraid to be truthful and honest in the body? We are called to truth for a purpose. God help us to be true to you and to honour you in everything.
Can you test the Kim Clement prophetic words that people say are about Donald Trump?
Yes that would be great!
We plan to do that later this year.
You can find our initial review of Kim Clement's prophecy at 2:57:43 in this 2020 episode - ua-cam.com/video/GgE85J1mF9s/v-deo.html - More to come!
@@TheRemnantRadio Thanks!
Kim Clements prophecies COME TRUE !!!!
Could you please speak to the judgements metric APCE applied to call Emmas word False because they are fearful that someone may make happen in the natural?
Also, when I heard the word the day it was released, I prayed over the interpretation and I saw Trump losing his teeth as a sign of him losing his "bite" in his rhetoric, less backbiting etc. This week we have heard he is meeting with hostile news anchors and saying he is going to try work more with the media. This seems to be sign of his biting words changing which could connect to her vision. I don't understand how they can say the Leviathan part is false and say at the same time that it is already in the world and prophesied by others?
This is so good. Just like dreams, visions must be interpreted as well.
A few months ago, I dreamed that there would be chaos after the election....the timing of the Lord is right
I am a charismatic also but I have become suspicious of most prophetic voices these days. There are very few that I will even give an ear to anymore, including all these prophets featured in this video. And by the way physics can give accurate words sometimes. Familiar Spirits know a lot about people.
I think you meant psychics ? Agree, I don't waste time listening to the latest "word", when I can instead read God's Word, a more sure word of prophecy.
Because all prophecy has already been written in scripture. Today's true prophets are those enlightened by the Fathers spirit to reveal the meaning of said prophecies we've already been given in scripture, not to make up stuff.
@@jdaze1well wasn’t God so silly to place gifts in the body, ( including prophets).for the perfecting of the church. Until that which is perfect has come. Do you see perfection ( mature) yet.
You just spoke some wise words. There are some good prophets, but few. The ones spoken about here are not true prophets. And you are right, psychics have the same ability to receive valuable information from Spirit, information that helps people, not harms them.
@@ChinaDavis-c3w Daniel 9. All visions and prophecy was sealed up at the 490 years. John the Baptist (who came in the spirit of Elijah) spoke all final biblical prophecies. They are sealed up with no more vision of understanding until the very end when the spirit of Truth returns to open our blinded eyes and reveals the meaning of prophecy already given. As noted thruout the OT. No more need for new prophecies. Everything we need to know about future events has already been given. Prophets now are to reveal the mystery and understanding of what's already been given.
This is all very grieving to my heart. It saddens me to see the church remain divided. But I know this is nothing new. I've listened to many prophetic voices who given words of warning and for prepping for food shortages etc...
Lord help us become humble before you and learn too listen more and speak less.
Those who have years in faith and claim to speak prophetically are now looking like workers of division.
Lord I pray we spend more time with you and your word, seeking your Spirit to teach us, guide us, and heal us.. than spending time watching media and then claiming prophetic word for said political and cultural events and people.
Amen!
amen! make prophecy local again!! Thank you! That's the biblical way. I don't understand why these so many called prophets think they are speaking God's words to the world-wide church! We don't know who they are...their characters or the fruit of their lives! That only happens within the local church
I really hope you watched Emma et alia on "When Prophets seem to disagree".and consider Church history since Constantine when the political spirit entered the Church and ushered in martyrdoms
I see by the clip with Sam Robertson on Leviathan and chaos that you did watch it. Thank you for your fairness
When I heard Emma talk about the Trump dream (I think it was a dream she said) getting punched, when she said his teeth were knocked out and there was blood, I heard “like a lion with no teeth he will not be able to devour his prey”… so I think he will not be able to get traction in getting things turned around maybe…
Interesting followup...worth pondering.
It already happened in 2020 when Trump submitted to the evil forces and started promoting the vaccines.
I would also like to know how Dr. Michael Brown, RT Kendall, Sam Storms, Jack Deere, Ken Fish view this. And are there solid teachers/shepherds in the acpe group?
Ken Fish signed the ACPE statement condemning Ms. Stark’s prophecy.
@@Eagle-Ridge oh no! Did he? I didn’t think he would. I hope John Rutkay and Ron Juncal didn’t
@@Eagle-Ridge I have just checked, I don’t see Ken’s name on the ACPE statement?
@@DianeOforiThere seems to be two versions of the document posted by Cindy Jacob’s. The version on her Facebook page has Mr. Fish as a signatory. I attempted to post a link for you, but it didn’t stick.
@@DianeOfori Ken Fish did not sign the original document that was posted on Cindy’s website
Larry Sparks is Emma Stark’s publisher…please dig a little deeper
He signed the ACPE statement sadly.
@ so did Ken Fish whom these two have had on their show a few times critiquing other ministries. I did not hear them calling Ken out, but rather criticizing Jacobs for not calling people out
@ what a dizzying mess! 🤣
Those Prophets need the HOLY FEAR OF GOD.
They really don't know who they are facing when they die.
A HOLY, HOLY GOD who watches over HIS WORD to perform it. WOE, to those false Prophets.
So at the end of the first clip the gentlemen said there would be a bunch of riots then a period of what seems like peace. Now going into the election, I would have thought the same thing, not prophetically, just from using judgement based on previous experience. But to my knowledge there have been no riots yet. That looks like a miss already to me.
Give prophecies time... Trump has not even taken office yet but his Cabinet is a hot mess already.
There was one riot in New York that I saw but it didn’t get much publicity. I didn’t hear of anymore.
There have been many "riots" ... in the cities and at the borders. We also just had a very contentious election that created "riots" even within families. Whoever gave the word about riots gave an accurate prophecy. God bless!
It's simple, too much prophetics voices are in fact prophesying with their flesh. And the other obvious point is : the church is CRAZY with this Trump issue. And it is a BIG problem.
I do agree there are way too many so called prophets who claim to be prophets to nations. I know seasoned and tested prophets. They’ve paid high prices to operate on a high level. They don’t fly around the throne of God” like Emma claims to have done. She also claims to have found Jesus brokenhearted and she had to go put her arms around Him & comfort Him . She disqualified herself a long time ago. Plus she holds Zoom classes and courses to “raise up more prophets.” At the end of about 2 yrs, she gives them a certificate that says they are prophets. That’s NOT how God operates. He calls prophets. You don’t qualify to be a prophet by virtue of “replicating” more prophets. She “teaches” her students to gather others and bring them to be prophets too. There is NO Scripture that says the proof of a true prophet is replicating themselves. These guys are trying to be generous but they’re not seeing all the disqualifying elements in Emma’s life.
@@ays5696 I would appreciate it if you could direct me to the source of her claiming to fly around the throne of God and comforting a brokenhearted Jesus. I would like to investigate it. Thanks!
Yes to both your points!
The church obediently gave what the Father told them to share.The true ones spoke and so much has come to pass. That is a test in Gods timing. They arent crazy..
@@ays5696I took a look at the brochure for the prophetic ministry school. Its expensive and requires you to be present in Scotland twice.
First page has a woman holding a staff. I've never seen anyone in the body of Christ who have used a staff like Mosses. I think this ministry is affecting people's mental healthy gravely.
Most powerful statement of this episode: “We’re talking really low percent….Less than 5% accuracy for national prophets”.
I’m not a Cessationist. I’m completely convinced that prophecy and all the gifts of the spirit are available to (and active in) the church today. However, we are seeing people speaking ‘words’ for gain, we’re seeing people speak presumptuously instead of limiting their words to exactly what God has said, and we’re seeing people speaking from the spirit of the age rather than the Spirit of God… One of the saddest things is, no one seems to have enough discernment to know truth from hype or deception. Why is that? Because we don’t know the Word of God properly, nor do we know the legitimate, biblical, patterns of the working of the Spirit of God.
I do agree. What is interesting is your statement in response to the question that you asked: “Because we do not know the Word of God properly.” There are over 200 different Christian denominations in the US, and the common denominator of them all is that each believes that their perspective is the “proper” way to interpret the Scriptures. And that leads to your second point which encounters the same issue - there are many perspectives on what is considered to be “legitimate, Biblical patterns of the working of the Spirit.” Knowledge of the Bible is good, but in and of itself it produces the two hundred and twenty some different perspectives (denominations) that we unfortunately have today. In my opinion, there is an ingredient missing from your answer. Knowledge of the Bible is good, but revelation of the Word imparted by the Holy Spirit is better.
@@Eagle-RidgeI fully agree.
You guys are not judging by the Spirit, just by your own souls.
Jeremiah Johnson said several times before the last election that Trump's ego will cause trouble but then he repented of what he said so I'm confused to which words he gave were from God. I wish he would have stood by what he had said. Because he never prophesied that Trump was going to win in 2020.
I asked the Lord to speak to me, He says “I Love You!”
THANK YOU for providing neutral and unbiased commentary. Such a breath of fresh air!
Actually Psalm 3:7 declares :"Arise, Lord ! Deliver me, my God! Strike all my enemies on the jaw; break the teeth of the wicked."( NIV). Tiem to pray
you are lifting a text out of its context
I think this fuels the haters, I also believe that we need to pray for our leaders, no matter who it is.😊
Prophetic elite is indicative of leviathan
Regarding the Evangelical prophets' in America response to the Brits: It's evident to see fear in their faces and it's like: "what did we do?" Behind all those words of dismissal of the Brits and self vindication. They're spooked. Pride goeth before the fall.
Wowza on those worship songs. I had a two dreams about Trump being worshiped and being the American Idol. I don’t affiliate with Christians who worship him but I did vote for him because of policy.
And where are the "Christians" who worship Trump? Don't confuse support with worship, no true followers of Jesus Christ would worship any man.
@@donnaleveron5711there are many , unfortunately. How you can test this, is ask them to rebuke something he does wrong.
Agree we didnt get Jezebel but I dont like Trump pride needs to be humble and do see chaos coming they will resist him also not happy with cabinet choices
Exactly what are his policies?
I’m from the Uk I’ve seen extremes of both Trump worship and hate neither Godly, there are those of us in the middle and recognise that he’s a man with his faults and failings but does seem to have a talent for political strategy, that can ride through this chaos.
I don’t like all the in fighting with the prophets but I think it’s necessary for a house cleanup. I think both sides have blind spots and character issues.
I Think Emma’s vision was accurate but the interpretation was off imo. It would take too long to unpack here, I could be wrong time will tell.
I really appreciate the honest, forthright, look at both sides of the word given and the response given.
You're not really speaking in tongues, you're not really prophesying, you're not really doing much of what you think you're doing.
Repent.
Make holiness your hobby : the joy of aiming for, and experiencing, perpetual intimacy with the Lord... an out of that, genuine charismatic gifts might flow.
Yes eagerly desire them, but in the context of a close relationship with the Lord in love.
Too many people just trying to "make things happen" with a career mentality.
Yes I'm critical...
but I'm at peace ; )
Emily - accusing ppl you don't know of not having gifts they regularly "do" is rather presumptuous. Skepticism about prophecy is totally understandable but to accuse ppl of not having the gift of tongues is unkind, unfair & unwarranted. It only shows your limited understanding here.
Pls try not to do this in future. Yes I do agree we are called to holiness - all of us - including Emma.
@DiGi377 Yes I understand what you're saying, and I was not speaking under the guidance of the Spirit.... But....
the "you're" I wrote, is a general "us all", as I'm personally convinced - through being (and I am not pridefully bragging here) a leader in a charismatic church for many years, having a great love for the word and the memorization of it, and a great love of theology, Church history and seeing where different ideas came from - that most people simply aren't speaking in tongues... they're just making it up. (but God sees the heart and the sound making is focusing and therapeutic)... I should know, I "spoke in tongues" for years. Surely you should be more, or as sceptical about that than prophecy?
I just think people should really step back and actually look at themselves and be honest with themselves. I've been in church circles for 30 odd years as I approach my 50th year, and I've seen it all, and I've heard it all... endlessly: "revival is just around the corner"... A constant striving for the "new thing"... and I know I sound bitter and critical here, but I'm really not. I have though, lived with a debilitating long-term health condition and so I know how ridiculous people's expectation of what God has "guaranteed them" in the Atonement (word of faith type teaching etc), and simply not being able to see what is plainly in front of us, which is the fact that 99.999% of people we pray for are not miraculously healed (and not through a lack of faith a sin or an unbroken curse)
My devotion to God has never been stronger, and my love of what I see him doing in my life and people around me (no matter what their slant on doctrine is) ... but these empirical evidences that are all around us should at least make us question what we think we are actually doing, and what we think God is actually doing... when he clearly isn't.
God has different times for different things and we simply can't make them happen.
Peace
I would advice all of you,if you haven't watched the original Emma stark video " God punched Trump in the mouth " vision, that you go & watch & listen care, even 2x. Because this discussion isn't a clear representation of exactly what was said & a few things are misquoted. Every word & how it was said & what prefaced it matters. But ultimately a good discussion calling out a bias against Emma that does cause us to question what did Emma do to tick them off so much?"
None of these people are prophets. Just bc you identify as a prophet doesn't make you a prophet. Lol
I'm just glad God is exposing these people for who they truly are.
Me too. I just wish they'd humble themselves, apologize and correct themselves.
I totally agree, they’re all blatantly false prophets.
But we can walk in His peace even in the midst of chaos. Regardless of what happens He will go with us and before us and behind us. The gates of hell cannot prevail against His church.
Doesn't unrest usually drive people to repent
She is right the choices were not great. I wish the council would give time for us to weigh the prophesy. The bible says don't judge anything before its time. It's sad this is the only word being rebuked when there are many false prophecies that have already passed & did not pan out. This shows they have a definite bias & it doesn't help some of them wrote the foreword on her book " Becoming the voice of GOD! They were saying she was a strong prophet, accurate, & courageous. So to see this rebuke is cringe.
Well said; I agree!🙌
Roundtree makes a good point about it’s the local church who should be judging someone who is giving a prophecy in their local church. In its beyond the local church they should be asking those in their network to judge if the prophecy is from God or not
I feel like Cindy has taken offence at an English women attacking America. And now it’s a public spat😂
ES would probably take offense that you say she is English 😂
Yes v true
💯 the old guy was seething…
Emma has been called our for her words multiple times.
As a Scottish-Irish British citizen, I had an issue with Stark's "prophesy" and her ego. I am also not keen on her Dame Edna appearance but it's her lack of any humility that made it hard for me to listen to her in the last year. Now I've learned that she encouraged people in her church to take the c0v1d j4bs and told them it was safe. That is UNFORGIVABLE. God definitely did not tell her that. Dangerous person. I would never believe another word that comes from her red painted gob.
Wow, this was a great discussion. I'm finding myself flip flopping on this issue, it's all a bit confusing! After listening to you guys it's helping me see things more clearly, thanks!
Emma was on sid roth saying God bowed down and prayed way back around 2020. . That was enough for me. It was an episode with tracy cooke
The Kim Clement words do not have to conflict with the word of Emma. It could be not, either or. But, and...and...
Oh well most of the time we see it in hind sight.
Exactly! I said this exact same thing! They have all had nothing burger so why call out Emma? She ticked them off!
How dare you say anything against Gods anointed Trump…
@@dborisov23So he's your favorite idol? Thanks for sharing. Repent.
@@AppealToHeavenNowDarling I am being sarcastic. That’s what the …. Are for so people understand it’s sarcasm.
@@dborisov23Thank you for that! I'm sorry! God bless you! 😉🙌❤️
Emma stark is NOT a false prophet !! We will see these words come to pass ! The Charismatic prophetic community doesn’t want to hear a word of judgment but the WORD is unfolding right before our eyes , very TRUE WORDS of these mature Prophets !!!!! 🙏 REVELATION 13
Natasha, you are deceived. Emma is a false prophet.
Emma stark IS a blatant FALSE PROPHET. Wake up
God punched him in the face? Seriously? 🙄
Thank you for providing a thoughtful evaluation of both sides of this issue. Whether Emma's word is true or not (and time will tell), I think this controversy reveals that there are some deep issues with the church that need to be addressed, especially in terms of how we test prophets and hold them accountable. Also, regardless of the truth of Emma's word, I think that it rightly points out that the church has given Trump too high a pedestal and we need to pray for him (and all of our leaders) to repent.
It is my understanding that Emma (at one point) called Sharron Stone her ‘spiritual mother’, and Stone is on the public statement/on council saying the word is false… if this relationship is real, this might be why Cindy is saying Emma should have reached out.
one know if this relationship is real???
Where can we see this statement?
It's true she said it on multiple videos with Tomi Ariomi. That they have the same spiritual mother, Sharon Stone. But you know kids grow up...
@@jopesh5083 i have heard Emma Stark refer to Sharon Stone as her spiritual mother more than once........ they are all false prophets
@@Henriette-van-der-Ende What about Sharon Stone's statement on Emma's prophecy being false?
Part 1 I have a bit of a different take on this than what I've seen in the responses on her article. I'll be 78 the end of this year. I've been listening to God ever since he captured my heart 1986. And then 1989 I started hearing more after prophets came to our church in the vineyard.
Sam Robertson, although a young prophet gave a very accurate word for Biden & Trump years back & what he said actually came true about God humbling them both (before Biden's false election.) I found him to be very accurate & also insightful, but there are some issues that need to be addressed. I love Emma Stark & she has been an immense blessing to me.
Hasn't the world kind of always "seemed" chaotic in certain ways? Look at just the last 4 years.
It's was really chaotic within the COVID era.
Powerful truth is being spoken in this video. I pray that this video goes viral. May God bless you all, Men of God.
The chaos is the "words" that are given. This is a response to swing to the other side now since their "prophecies" bombed in 2020. Almost like a blind man groping around till he finds something
Bingo. Well said
Cindy Jacobs should be cautious. She's banging her gavel on Emma's head. I believe Emma was just trying to give a word of warning to Trump. He should hear it and everyone else should shut up. Amen.
Not all 60 on the ACPE signed the statement. 9 names were absent. Should we conclude that not everyone on the council agreed with their statement?
I like Emma Stark.
so what ? she is still a false teacher who twists God's Holy Word and tickles the ears of gullible people who dont know their bibles
@@brightskyfireworksukMr. Duncan, it is a serious accusation to label someone a false teacher. I would like to look into this. I would appreciate it if you would provide three examples of your concern that I could investigate. Thanks!
@@Eagle-Ridge there are examples galore in all her broadcasts for the GPA. Just one example of her twisting God's Holy Word is that she maintains that God did not remove a rib from Adam to create Eve but that He literally cut Adam in half !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@brightskyfireworksuk I have reviewed approximately 150 hours of her teaching. I have not found “examples galore” as you maintain. Nor have I come across her saying that God did not remove a rib from Adam, but cut Adam in half. If you would be so kind to direct me where she said that, I would be happy to investigate it.
Hi, I am listening to this UA-cam as a lover of Jesus, and God, my father, and the Holy Spirit! I am not a profit, although I do prophesy, and the gifts of the spirit.
And I am listening to as many videos as I can about the Emma Stone prophecy.
It’s important how we present ourselves as children of the king to the world. And what I hear from this video is a sense of condescending in the conversation. And in the first part of the video, there was a statement that said, “I want to be nice…”
And then the next statement said… “i’m not gonna be.”
Immediately put me off.… and sent a signal of “ this is a person to be leary of”. This is a sister in Christ, speaking to brothers in Christ, letting you know how I feel about your attitudes. I’ve never seen any of you speak before and I don’t know of any of your churches. United States is a big place. Of course, I cannot know every child of the king… That speech does not seem to reflect a spirit of humility.
President Trump elect, is President Trump elect. And whoever God places in authority is who got places in authority. It would do you well to be honorable and address the upcoming president of the United States by his status. I’m pretty sure you don’t call your doctor by his last name in a condescending manner. This is a man who is going to lead a nation.
Am I sounding like your mother? Could be.
Heathens are listening to you, this does not sound like a unified body of Christ ! If you could hear my voice, you would know I am saying this without condescending.
BE NICE and say what you need to say.
Really appreciate your perspectives !!! Reading my Bible more!!
Well-balanced presentation of both sides. Thank you.
I really like this. Thank you so much. 100% agree you with why have this counsel never challenged anything before. As someone who lives in the UK it appears incredibly biased towards trump and this is concerning that the global body of prophets can’t see their own faults