I expect it's running a dump of the original arcade ROM under emulation, and therefore it would include any bugs the arcade had; it would be a difficult task to decompile, change and recompile the ROM, or to patch it to remove an obscure bug like that. Good to see they are using the original arcade ROM though, rather than a console version of the game.
Yeah, it has to be the actual arcade rom for the reasons you stated. I’m thinking it’s using a small emulator program + the rom and certain anomalies such as the sound being a bit off at times may just be something such as a combination of the emulation maybe not being 100% along with the tinny speakers rather than being due to a rewrite. Either way, I’ll definitely be buying this unit now. I’m really impressed with this new Pro lineup from My Arcade and I definitely want to support these in the hopes they do even more units with arcade roms such as Dig Dug (and arcade accurate games from other companies like Taito if anybody from My Arcade is reading this 😉).
That's what you'd THINK but all their other games that SEEM to be running the arcade ROMs are frequently missing bugs and AI behaviors and they also all feature new copyright text on the main screen. Like in Ms.Pac-Man the ghosts don't always turn around when you eat the power pellet, and when you chomp multiple stacked ghosts it doesn't pause for each one, it acts like you only ate the one ghost. The UFO in Space Invaders also was missing some scoring element.
I would've been genuinely disappointed if the big wasn't there, but somehow I'm still surprised that it is. Well done, My Arcade! I got to experience this bug on an original Galaga machine way back when. It's trippy when the next round starts and they just aren't shooting anymore!
Im pretty sure that's the exact arcade rom running on an emulator on that device. So should be arcade perfect along with all the bugs and exploits that came with it.
I remember being 14 years old and hanging out at the local arcade named Le Mans Family Fun Center. The manager would come check on us while playing Galaga and if they weren't shooting at us, he would hit the power button on the game. We would literally play that thing for hours. Such a good memory!! I will be ordering one of these today! Thanks for the great review.
I remember back in the 80’s when my friend and I activated this glitch. As I recall, we only left the far bottom left bee 🐝 to accomplish this task. Sometimes it took just a few minutes and other times over a half hour. 😊
The bug is caused by a bullet having a horizontal position of zero which only happens rarely. On a CRT, this position would be slightly off the left edge of the screen. The game has eight memory slots for bullets, and zero is also a designation for unused, which tells the code not to update the position of the bullet. So if a bullet gets a horizontal position of zero, that memory slot will be used up and not recovered, because it needs the bullet to reach the bottom of the screen to be recycled.
That's not quite true. You can do it on the right side as well. What prevents the enemy shot from being cleared from memory is if it reaches the bottom of the screen when it is off-screen, either on the left or right. It doesn't have to be a horizontal position of 0...just one of the positions that is not part of the visible play area. You will notice that when a shot or an enemy flies off one side of the screen, it reappearing on the other side is not instantaneous. There is a slight delay. This is because there is a hidden area (however many pixels wide) that is in-between. If it reaches the bottom while still inside that in between area, it is stuck in memory.
I've got a handful of these micro players. All still in their box. They're nice little display pieces up on my a1ups and such. Looking forward to maybe finding one in the wild.
I remember seeing this bug on arcade machines back in the day, but my GenX brain couldn't remember if it was this or Galaxian - thanks for clearing that up! 😊😊
Great news! I remember doing this cheat in the arcade back in the day. The arcade owner got news of it and would reset your game if he caught you. Great memories LOL.
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Nine months later and I finally get to see this video. I completely forgot about that bug. There is a "retrocade" just 5 minutes from here that has a Galaga cabinet. I'll have to try it on there. I don't think that is a port of the Galaga game software. As others have mentioned, it is most likely the actual arcade ROM being run in emulation on that little unit. Don't really need much modern hardware to emulate old classic games like Galaga. I was able to play it in emulation on a 486 nearly 25 years ago back in the very early days of emulation (and it was not easy to obtain the actual game ROMs back then). It would be very easy to emulate such a game on a cheap SoC which is most likely what is being run in that "My Arcade" unit. If anything was "ported", it would've been the emulation software, which more than likely could've been taken from one of the "open source" projects such as MAME.
That's hilarious. I was actually going to ask about the glitch but then thought, "meh, why bother? It's probably not there." Glad it's there even though I don't have this. It still gives me pleasure for some reason. Lol. Galag-On! 😎✌
....but can you play the demo? I believe the shooting bug happens when the bees shoot at you 256 times. Once they do, there's an integer overflow (8 bit hardware has 256 possible counts), and the enemy shots stop.
Years ago I completely stripped down and restored a Galaga machine - repainted cabinet, new artwork, t-molding, buttons, the works. Knew it wouldn’t be completely finished until I had a set of older roms burned so it would have the no shoot bug 😂
I really didn't think they were using original roms, but this is a huge indicator that they are, I don't think it would be there if this was a rewrite. Crazy!
It’s running the original rom in emulation (IMHO). That bug, well described by others in the comments, depends on specific display memory and geometry that’d be annoying to accurately recreate from scratch, but trivial provided high fidelity emulation. Given the whole cabinet, including all 3 Z80 CPU’s, ROM’s, etc., is comprised of around 75,000 transistors worth of logic and memory, even a $10 (retail) RaspberryPi zero can accurately emulate the cabinet.
Nice!On M.A.M.E it works wonders but you can do the cheat easier right away on the Tab key and add "Aliens won't shoot", "Invincible", "Infinite Lives" etc . . Last summer I went to Las Vegas for the first time and saw a Galaga Arcade at Pinball Hall of Fame and the no shoot bug worked, now where I didn't had the luck was on Barcade, unless I had to give more time, the most I've waited for the bug to work always is at 8 or 9 minutes top, but at Barcade I tried 20 minutes and wasn't working and I was rushing because had things to do afterwards! Cheers!
You're right on. This no-shoot bug only appears on the first version of the ROM. Future revisions (including those most likely used in Multicades & Barcades) corrected the counter overflow error that caused it. 😁
The "work" they undertook to "include" the bug was they used non-revised ROMs in what is probably MAME. Anyway, it does what it says on the tin. I'd have been happier with an OLED screen so the black space background wouldn't look so washed out. Galaga looks fine on a smartphone, for example.
Just broke down and purchased this miniature cab, but I long for a Tron version. Of course that would involve My Arcade and Disney teaming up, but if they did…. That would be the Holy Grail in miniatures and I would drop some serious coin to get one.
When I used to play this in the arcade, I would only leave the one lower left bee. Pretty sure it used to work with just the lower right bee as well. Sometimes it took up to 20 minutes, before they wouldn't shoot.
That's cool. My understanding is it has to do with the number of bullets fired reaching >255, so it may have taken longer, but I can understand how that might work. I've just always heard it said that it requires both left bees, and I don't feel like waiting any longer that absolutely necessary. 😉
As a fan of the best video game of all time in every past era and all eras to come-Galaga, I see the no-shoot bug as a very GENz …well…..thing-wanting favor by way of the elimination of challenge.
I learned something here, I thought the "no shoot bug" was in Galaxian, not Galaga. I've never tried to get the "no shoot bug," I'm going to have to try it on my Arcade 1Up Partycade and see if I can replicate it.
I think later on there's gonna be an upgraded micro player pro where they're gonna add a new feature and say: if you wanna save your high score you're gonna have to insert an SD card
I see in the bottom right corner of your collection, you have a Pac Man shaped plug in play. You should do a video on that because it has arcade perfect game-play, and it is not arcade ROMs because the aspect and scores are on the side. It has Galaga with all the bugs, and Pac Man plays arcade perfect patters. And it saves high scores. Amazing PNP machine.
I used to think I was good at galaga I had it for the 7800 and at the time have not played the arcade version in years because I was satisfied with the 7800 port. I could roll over level 99 it was super easy to do with a little practice. Then I played the arcade version and struggled to get to level 20 lol. Issue I have isn't being shot at the damn bugs fly into my ship when they speed up and that is what usually kills me.
Huh. Observing the self test screen, this is the 1.0 version of the game! Wonder why they switched between arcade roms and rewrites throughout these units?
The no shoot bug is in the midway version, in the Namco version it doesn't exist, must play midway version, I have both and midway is where the glitch is😊
Of course I gotta buy this because I have to collect them all but I'm really excited to get my hands on the yoke unit. They can do the bug but not save high scores, kind of disappointing Lastly, Jon... I see at 3:24 you have a slash for the Micro Mega Man box...what's up with that? :) I just got my MM Pocket Player today, enjoying it
This really makes me wonder about the nature of these games technically, I know the original Pac-Man pocket player used a homebrew Genesis-based version, and these Pro versions seem to use FM sound and a 320x240 screen (Galaxian even seemingly switches to 256 mode like Genesis games are able to do), but the game behavior itself seems to exactly mirror the arcade versions, I wonder if they're direct source ports to Genesis clone hardware
As we all collectively chip away at all the clues, my current (non-technical) theory is that we're still working with that Genesis-on-a-chip engine, but perhaps using decompiled/recompiled game ROM. I'm pretty confident this isn't 100% accurate, but lots of smarter people than me have led me to this current hypothesis.
It's the original arcade ROM. Idid you look at it starting up, That's how it start up in the arcade machine in the 80's. I bet that this thing can be hacked to add ROMs or all of the my arcade games are on it and something inside is Bridged like a switch to select the ROM. No changes were made to the games only the Namco/Midway text to say Calaga TM & BNEI. Bandai Namco Entertainment Inc. Only code altered. Original Arcade ROM would have said Bally Midway or NAMCO. So ya, it's the real ROM. Also with permission from NAMCO. That better than Nacot version for NES. That's a whole other story that's on going.
Hello. I love you videos. Thanks for all the work you put into it. There are so many ways to enjoy retro games. I have a small collection but favorite way to visit those classic games is with a Partycade. I have the Defender and Centipede partycades and I think they are fantastic. Is there any chance you could do some more videos on the Partycades?
This makes mine look old 😂 i might get this one and this video is like a remake of the video i watched to find your channel been watching since (still wondering about the namco museum arcade review 😁) also thanks for the tip didn't know they won't shot
Looks like I'm gonna upload a review of the _My Arcade Atari Nano Player Pro_ before you will, GenX: I have absolutely no idea what the difference between Nano, Nano Pro and Micro will be… but I'll find out later today… the hard way. ;-)
You're right about the headphone jack: I just posted my review and it didn't occur to me to mention it. You'll notice that the total number of games listed on the box is not the same (75 vs. 100), as was the case previously in your own "Nano vs. Micro" comparisons.
I don't see how the bug being present is such a big deal when these are just running ROMs on Emulators, so if the original ROM had it so will the ROM Dump, it's not like they're going to go out of their way to fix it.
@GenXGrownUp tier-list? [sorry, that's 3 or more questions summed up bluntly cos my grammatical brain is taking a nap right now, right when I needed it. lol]
So, the previous MyArcade of the games did not have the bug in it? I'd love to have this version, but the lack of saving your high score is a serious letdown considering that it is a battery powered unit that could have easily incorporated a score memory ability without adding to the cost. Now, if MyArcade actually cared enough to do a three game unit that has both of these, plus "Galaga 88", then I'd be more inclined to buy another system, even if it still didn't have the high score saving option.
Well, the bug is only in the arcade version, so when they released with the the NES, the no-shoot was certainly not there. Not being obtuse, but do you mean Galaga '88, or is there another Galaga I don't know about?
You mean the bug? He explains it. You just have to keep the 2 left-most bees alive (you can do it with 1 and it is easier to dodge any rare bullets that might get you, but it takes longer) and wait for a long time. The bug works because the game can only have 8 enemy shots on screen at the same time. When a shot gets to the bottom of the screen, it is cleared from memory. However, as he showed in the video, sometimes enemy fire wraps around from one side of the screen to the other. And it is also not an instantaneous wraparound. There is a slight "in between" area off screen. so when the bullet goes off the left side, it will be a few frames before it appears on the right side. That is where the bug comes into play. If the enemy shot makes it to the bottom of the screen when it is in that "no man's land" between the sides of the screen, it doesn't get cleared from memory. So, if it happens once, now there can only be 7 enemy shots at a time. If it happens twice, there can be only 6. If you wait long enough, 8 enemy shots will have made it to the bottom off screen. So the memory will never have any room for an additional enemy shot.
I had the same question as FUGP. To which function are you referring? If it's invoking the no-shoot bug, I run it down pretty succinctly in that short video I showed part of and linked to in a card. It walks you through just what FUGP describes.
Great video Jon! My only remaining question is which do you prefer: the Pocket Player Pro, the Micro Player Pro, or the Nano Player Pro? (I know I'll inevitably confuse the latter two if I don't ask now 🤣💀).
Haha! I remember hearing that, too. It's not possible in Galaga, but the widespread rumor contributed to the decision to introduce that possibility in Galaga '88!
I did the bug jn a coffie shop and got to the end of the game which is 256 stages and thge game crashes the own er was imoressed but pissed at the same time.
very nice. however, there were several ROM revisions of galaga that fixed the bug. also, it still gets hard around wave 30, so its not that much easier. anyways namco has patched it out of all the new versions of galaga. especially on consoles and compilations. im pretty sure player 2 will have the millions digit. when i get i will try it out, and let you know. the other thing is the killscreen at level 256. depending on the difficulty different things have. some just quit, others get stuck, and others just keep going. later || || | | |||| | ne gative 1
Ahhhh..once you get the enemies to stop firing, it is simple enough all the way to 999,990. I don't think I've ever gone past that, since I never had the patience to do this as player 2. But I know every time I have done this, reaching the score turnover was never in doubt. It maybe get a little harder, but nothing that all your built up extra lives can't overcome.
Ah… but did you test whether the maximum number of points for player 2 is greater than the maximum number of points for player 1? Now THAT's a bug that takes A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT to check for. ;-)
Boy, I don't hear people talking enough about Phoenix. It was a Centuri game, and I dont' even know who holds the rights these days. I'd like to see it get some love.
phoenix ... when you get to the end level with the mothership - it is an epic level which galaxian and galaga does not have - it has the swopping dropping birds too ...@@GenXGrownUp
You really said nothing about how this new "pro" unit is an improvement over the previous ones.....is the screen resolution any better ?....what is the resolution anyway ? A video about a bug for no-shoot is irrelevant really.
@@GenXGrownUp We might disagree about how the hardware is emulated, but it’s a dead ringer for the stand-up machine. It’s not all that hard to do it with modern components. Still, great version. It’s exactly what it should be.
I expect it's running a dump of the original arcade ROM under emulation, and therefore it would include any bugs the arcade had; it would be a difficult task to decompile, change and recompile the ROM, or to patch it to remove an obscure bug like that. Good to see they are using the original arcade ROM though, rather than a console version of the game.
Yeah, it has to be the actual arcade rom for the reasons you stated. I’m thinking it’s using a small emulator program + the rom and certain anomalies such as the sound being a bit off at times may just be something such as a combination of the emulation maybe not being 100% along with the tinny speakers rather than being due to a rewrite. Either way, I’ll definitely be buying this unit now. I’m really impressed with this new Pro lineup from My Arcade and I definitely want to support these in the hopes they do even more units with arcade roms such as Dig Dug (and arcade accurate games from other companies like Taito if anybody from My Arcade is reading this 😉).
That's what you'd THINK but all their other games that SEEM to be running the arcade ROMs are frequently missing bugs and AI behaviors and they also all feature new copyright text on the main screen.
Like in Ms.Pac-Man the ghosts don't always turn around when you eat the power pellet, and when you chomp multiple stacked ghosts it doesn't pause for each one, it acts like you only ate the one ghost.
The UFO in Space Invaders also was missing some scoring element.
No, these are arcade ports in Sega genesis, the Pac-Man one was custom made itself.
I would've been genuinely disappointed if the big wasn't there, but somehow I'm still surprised that it is. Well done, My Arcade!
I got to experience this bug on an original Galaga machine way back when. It's trippy when the next round starts and they just aren't shooting anymore!
What is unnacceptable in this channel is that it deserves waaay more followers!
I’m glad MyArcade kept the bug. It say/s to me that they really care about preserving arcade history. Or they missed it 😂
Im pretty sure that's the exact arcade rom running on an emulator on that device. So should be arcade perfect along with all the bugs and exploits that came with it.
I remember being 14 years old and hanging out at the local arcade named Le Mans Family Fun Center. The manager would come check on us while playing Galaga and if they weren't shooting at us, he would hit the power button on the game. We would literally play that thing for hours. Such a good memory!! I will be ordering one of these today! Thanks for the great review.
Same here...LOL
I remember back in the 80’s when my friend and I activated this glitch. As I recall, we only left the far bottom left bee 🐝 to accomplish this task. Sometimes it took just a few minutes and other times over a half hour. 😊
I remember the days of using this bug to make a quarter last forever! Looks like I will be ordering my own unit from Amazon. Thanks, Jon!!!
The bug is caused by a bullet having a horizontal position of zero which only happens rarely. On a CRT, this position would be slightly off the left edge of the screen. The game has eight memory slots for bullets, and zero is also a designation for unused, which tells the code not to update the position of the bullet. So if a bullet gets a horizontal position of zero, that memory slot will be used up and not recovered, because it needs the bullet to reach the bottom of the screen to be recycled.
That's not quite true. You can do it on the right side as well. What prevents the enemy shot from being cleared from memory is if it reaches the bottom of the screen when it is off-screen, either on the left or right. It doesn't have to be a horizontal position of 0...just one of the positions that is not part of the visible play area. You will notice that when a shot or an enemy flies off one side of the screen, it reappearing on the other side is not instantaneous. There is a slight delay. This is because there is a hidden area (however many pixels wide) that is in-between. If it reaches the bottom while still inside that in between area, it is stuck in memory.
@@FUGP72your both wrong. Here is why
I never owned one these pint sized arcades, but if they make a racing one for Pole Position and Road Blasters, I would buy them.
Well, guess what! 😉 ua-cam.com/video/LdrD6uqdFWg/v-deo.html
Another thumbs up for My Arcade. I really must try this no shoot bug out.
Fantastic! Thanks for taking the time to look for the bug Jon :-) Keep up the awesome work!
I've got a handful of these micro players. All still in their box. They're nice little display pieces up on my a1ups and such. Looking forward to maybe finding one in the wild.
I remember seeing this bug on arcade machines back in the day, but my GenX brain couldn't remember if it was this or Galaxian - thanks for clearing that up! 😊😊
For sure!
Finally, my Arcade are giving the fans what they want! Thank you My Arcade!
Great news! I remember doing this cheat in the arcade back in the day. The arcade owner got news of it and would reset your game if he caught you. Great memories LOL.
That's wrong. Although I almost got kicked out for using the joust bug too.
An excellent expert in the retro gaming scene!! Very knowledgeable about the different version/updates out there and keeps us informed about the latest releases! GenXgrownup is the man!!
Thanks for the kind words!
Nine months later and I finally get to see this video. I completely forgot about that bug. There is a "retrocade" just 5 minutes from here that has a Galaga cabinet. I'll have to try it on there. I don't think that is a port of the Galaga game software. As others have mentioned, it is most likely the actual arcade ROM being run in emulation on that little unit. Don't really need much modern hardware to emulate old classic games like Galaga. I was able to play it in emulation on a 486 nearly 25 years ago back in the very early days of emulation (and it was not easy to obtain the actual game ROMs back then). It would be very easy to emulate such a game on a cheap SoC which is most likely what is being run in that "My Arcade" unit. If anything was "ported", it would've been the emulation software, which more than likely could've been taken from one of the "open source" projects such as MAME.
That's hilarious. I was actually going to ask about the glitch but then thought, "meh, why bother? It's probably not there." Glad it's there even though I don't have this. It still gives me pleasure for some reason. Lol. Galag-On! 😎✌
....but can you play the demo?
I believe the shooting bug happens when the bees shoot at you 256 times. Once they do, there's an integer overflow (8 bit hardware has 256 possible counts), and the enemy shots stop.
That makes a ton of sense.
Years ago I completely stripped down and restored a Galaga machine - repainted cabinet, new artwork, t-molding, buttons, the works. Knew it wouldn’t be completely finished until I had a set of older roms burned so it would have the no shoot bug 😂
Did you get there?
Totally did - the rom ”downgrade” was the finishing touch 😄
Now i cant get that image out of my head of a naked man fixing an arcade machine...
Thank you MyArcade for including the bug!
I really didn't think they were using original roms, but this is a huge indicator that they are, I don't think it would be there if this was a rewrite. Crazy!
I didn't know about this bug for Galaga! Thanks for telling me!
You bet!
Ironic the No shoot bug is also in Namco Museum on the GBA after I saw this video I tried it and can confirm it
Great video Jon, enjoyed the content !
Glad you enjoyed it
It’s running the original rom in emulation (IMHO). That bug, well described by others in the comments, depends on specific display memory and geometry that’d be annoying to accurately recreate from scratch, but trivial provided high fidelity emulation. Given the whole cabinet, including all 3 Z80 CPU’s, ROM’s, etc., is comprised of around 75,000 transistors worth of logic and memory, even a $10 (retail) RaspberryPi zero can accurately emulate the cabinet.
Nice!On M.A.M.E it works wonders but you can do the cheat easier right away on the Tab key and add "Aliens won't shoot", "Invincible", "Infinite Lives" etc . . Last summer I went to Las Vegas for the first time and saw a Galaga Arcade at Pinball Hall of Fame and the no shoot bug worked, now where I didn't had the luck was on Barcade, unless I had to give more time, the most I've waited for the bug to work always is at 8 or 9 minutes top, but at Barcade I tried 20 minutes and wasn't working and I was rushing because had things to do afterwards! Cheers!
You're right on. This no-shoot bug only appears on the first version of the ROM. Future revisions (including those most likely used in Multicades & Barcades) corrected the counter overflow error that caused it. 😁
That’s so awesome. Very authentic to include the bug!
That's wild. Would never have thought to even try. LOL
Very cool. Thanks Jon, hope the move went well. Does this unit allow you to save high scores?
No, still no high score saving.
The "work" they undertook to "include" the bug was they used non-revised ROMs in what is probably MAME. Anyway, it does what it says on the tin. I'd have been happier with an OLED screen so the black space background wouldn't look so washed out. Galaga looks fine on a smartphone, for example.
I gotta try that bug on the NES version right now!
Just broke down and purchased this miniature cab, but I long for a Tron version. Of course that would involve My Arcade and Disney teaming up, but if they did…. That would be the Holy Grail in miniatures and I would drop some serious coin to get one.
I'd like Tempest in this new format!
I mocked one up for them - did you happen to catch that video? ua-cam.com/video/zxBXeK9Iszg/v-deo.html
When I used to play this in the arcade, I would only leave the one lower left bee. Pretty sure it used to work with just the lower right bee as well. Sometimes it took up to 20 minutes, before they wouldn't shoot.
That's cool. My understanding is it has to do with the number of bullets fired reaching >255, so it may have taken longer, but I can understand how that might work. I've just always heard it said that it requires both left bees, and I don't feel like waiting any longer that absolutely necessary. 😉
@@GenXGrownUp Aaaaaah. 255. Makes sense!
As a fan of the best video game of all time in every past era and all eras to come-Galaga, I see the no-shoot bug as a very GENz …well…..thing-wanting favor by way of the elimination of challenge.
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Thanks for another excellent review, all of their mini arcades have way too small screens.
Come on, tri-focals, a magnifying glass and a head mounted magnifier and you’re fine. Geez.
I learned something here, I thought the "no shoot bug" was in Galaxian, not Galaga. I've never tried to get the "no shoot bug," I'm going to have to try it on my Arcade 1Up Partycade and see if I can replicate it.
No. It was in Galaga.
They should make a couple cocktail type tables
I think later on there's gonna be an upgraded micro player pro where they're gonna add a new feature and say: if you wanna save your high score you're gonna have to insert an SD card
I see in the bottom right corner of your collection, you have a Pac Man shaped plug in play. You should do a video on that because it has arcade perfect game-play, and it is not arcade ROMs because the aspect and scores are on the side. It has Galaga with all the bugs, and Pac Man plays arcade perfect patters. And it saves high scores. Amazing PNP machine.
I expect I'll get to it eventually. I picked it up shortly after I found this one at a thrift store. ua-cam.com/video/A9Y3ZPZWa3k/v-deo.html
@@GenXGrownUp Good stuff, I love these little things. I'll be looking forward to seeing your take on it.
It worked!!! It worked!!! The Arcade 1Up version doesn't do that!
I used to think I was good at galaga I had it for the 7800 and at the time have not played the arcade version in years because I was satisfied with the 7800 port. I could roll over level 99 it was super easy to do with a little practice. Then I played the arcade version and struggled to get to level 20 lol. Issue I have isn't being shot at the damn bugs fly into my ship when they speed up and that is what usually kills me.
Yeah, those bees love to box you into the corners or catch you when they do those little loop-de-loops around your fighter!
Never heard of that bug before but cool that it's included here. 😀 That micro cabinet looks really nice!
Thanks! 😀
The same first version with this bug had the hyper speed dive that there was no way to avoid and I remember that and being hit by that glitch
This is good news. I will be picking up the pocket player at some point.
Yoo are you thinking about the mega man micro player ? I’ve really wanted to see it cuz there are no reviews about it anyway❤your channel
Thanks! I have the Mega Man units, just haven't gotten to reviewing them yet. I'll get there!
Ha! So it does work! So cool. Roughly, how long did it take?
When I say, "it's been about six minutes," they stopped shooting in the next couple of minutes. So under 10 minutes in my test.
Huh. Observing the self test screen, this is the 1.0 version of the game! Wonder why they switched between arcade roms and rewrites throughout these units?
That's what the enemies are thinking "No shoot bug!"
Haha!
The no shoot bug is in the midway version, in the Namco version it doesn't exist, must play midway version, I have both and midway is where the glitch is😊
Of course I gotta buy this because I have to collect them all but I'm really excited to get my hands on the yoke unit.
They can do the bug but not save high scores, kind of disappointing
Lastly, Jon... I see at 3:24 you have a slash for the Micro Mega Man box...what's up with that? :) I just got my MM Pocket Player today, enjoying it
looks good the arcade versions
Fun video. Enjoying watching you wondering if there is a bug in Galaga! 😂😂😂 (they’re everywhere!)
This really makes me wonder about the nature of these games technically, I know the original Pac-Man pocket player used a homebrew Genesis-based version, and these Pro versions seem to use FM sound and a 320x240 screen (Galaxian even seemingly switches to 256 mode like Genesis games are able to do), but the game behavior itself seems to exactly mirror the arcade versions, I wonder if they're direct source ports to Genesis clone hardware
As we all collectively chip away at all the clues, my current (non-technical) theory is that we're still working with that Genesis-on-a-chip engine, but perhaps using decompiled/recompiled game ROM. I'm pretty confident this isn't 100% accurate, but lots of smarter people than me have led me to this current hypothesis.
@@GenXGrownUp It does seem like something along those lines, like a direct conversion of the arcade source code to run on the hardware
So it works here too... NICE!
It's the original arcade ROM. Idid you look at it starting up, That's how it start up in the arcade machine in the 80's. I bet that this thing can be hacked to add ROMs or all of the my arcade games are on it and something inside is Bridged like a switch to select the ROM. No changes were made to the games only the Namco/Midway text to say Calaga TM & BNEI. Bandai Namco Entertainment Inc. Only code altered. Original Arcade ROM would have said Bally Midway or NAMCO. So ya, it's the real ROM. Also with permission from NAMCO. That better than Nacot version for NES. That's a whole other story that's on going.
Now if they just make a premium version of Galaga / thats what I’m waiting for / like the Space Invaders
Great Stuff. As always!
Thank you! Cheers!
Hello. I love you videos. Thanks for all the work you put into it. There are so many ways to enjoy retro games. I have a small collection but favorite way to visit those classic games is with a Partycade. I have the Defender and Centipede partycades and I think they are fantastic. Is there any chance you could do some more videos on the Partycades?
Would be something if my arcade use the OG source code of Galaga
This makes mine look old 😂 i might get this one and this video is like a remake of the video i watched to find your channel been watching since (still wondering about the namco museum arcade review 😁) also thanks for the tip didn't know they won't shot
Speaking of Namco Museum... ua-cam.com/video/sxFsCuvbwvk/v-deo.html
I love the Galaga bugs. Part of the history of this great arcade machine. Thats the problem whith this réplicas.
Looks like I'm gonna upload a review of the _My Arcade Atari Nano Player Pro_ before you will, GenX: I have absolutely no idea what the difference between Nano, Nano Pro and Micro will be… but I'll find out later today… the hard way. ;-)
I think missing a headphone jack for one. I believe the software and included games to be identical.
You're right about the headphone jack: I just posted my review and it didn't occur to me to mention it. You'll notice that the total number of games listed on the box is not the same (75 vs. 100), as was the case previously in your own "Nano vs. Micro" comparisons.
I don't see how the bug being present is such a big deal when these are just running ROMs on Emulators, so if the original ROM had it so will the ROM Dump, it's not like they're going to go out of their way to fix it.
@GenXGrownUp tier-list?
[sorry, that's 3 or more questions summed up bluntly cos my grammatical brain is taking a nap right now, right when I needed it. lol]
So, the previous MyArcade of the games did not have the bug in it? I'd love to have this version, but the lack of saving your high score is a serious letdown considering that it is a battery powered unit that could have easily incorporated a score memory ability without adding to the cost. Now, if MyArcade actually cared enough to do a three game unit that has both of these, plus "Galaga 88", then I'd be more inclined to buy another system, even if it still didn't have the high score saving option.
Well, the bug is only in the arcade version, so when they released with the the NES, the no-shoot was certainly not there. Not being obtuse, but do you mean Galaga '88, or is there another Galaga I don't know about?
@@GenXGrownUp Oops, my mistake. Made the change in the OP. So, the original MyArcade Galaga was the NES port? I must have missed that info. Thanks.
my lord i cant believe it actually works!
Sorry, bothering again. How do you enable that function? It would be easier for me to go beyond stage 4.
Anyway, great video as usual.
Blessings.
You mean the bug? He explains it. You just have to keep the 2 left-most bees alive (you can do it with 1 and it is easier to dodge any rare bullets that might get you, but it takes longer) and wait for a long time. The bug works because the game can only have 8 enemy shots on screen at the same time. When a shot gets to the bottom of the screen, it is cleared from memory. However, as he showed in the video, sometimes enemy fire wraps around from one side of the screen to the other. And it is also not an instantaneous wraparound. There is a slight "in between" area off screen. so when the bullet goes off the left side, it will be a few frames before it appears on the right side.
That is where the bug comes into play. If the enemy shot makes it to the bottom of the screen when it is in that "no man's land" between the sides of the screen, it doesn't get cleared from memory. So, if it happens once, now there can only be 7 enemy shots at a time. If it happens twice, there can be only 6. If you wait long enough, 8 enemy shots will have made it to the bottom off screen. So the memory will never have any room for an additional enemy shot.
I had the same question as FUGP. To which function are you referring? If it's invoking the no-shoot bug, I run it down pretty succinctly in that short video I showed part of and linked to in a card. It walks you through just what FUGP describes.
Great video Jon! My only remaining question is which do you prefer: the Pocket Player Pro, the Micro Player Pro, or the Nano Player Pro? (I know I'll inevitably confuse the latter two if I don't ask now 🤣💀).
For a display piece, it's the Micro Player Pro all the way, but for playability, the Pocket Pro has it over all the others.
@@GenXGrownUpperfect! Thanks 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻. Was sort of leaning in a pocket player direction already, but you've confirmed it for me.
Pretty cool !
Do the Pac-Man Pro next please?
Is it possible to get triple firing? Back the day it was rumored you get your double firing captured, then shoot it free and get triple firing.
Haha! I remember hearing that, too. It's not possible in Galaga, but the widespread rumor contributed to the decision to introduce that possibility in Galaga '88!
Are you going to be doing a video on how to add games with an sd card to the Gamestation Pro sometime soon?
Yes. See the pinned comment for the GSP review.
They should’ve went with the joystick that only goes left and right.
how's it different from the DPad one?
Do any of the console or pc versions have the bug? That could make an interesting video.
Never found one that did.
I did the bug jn a coffie shop and got to the end of the game which is 256 stages and thge game crashes the own er was imoressed but pissed at the same time.
Thanks!
You're very welcome! Thanks for watching and for your kindness! 😁
Fun!
Does anyone know if the Numbskull Galaga has the bug?
Is it me or are these newer models shipping with smaller screens?
Exact same size screen. The Joystick Player is finally a big larger, though.
Cool...
No token rating? ( " 4 for me. The sounds being a little off, no high score saving makes it a 4 and not a 4.5.
I'd rate it about the same as the comparable Pocket Player. 😀
very nice.
however, there were several ROM revisions of galaga that fixed the bug.
also, it still gets hard around wave 30, so its not that much easier.
anyways namco has patched it out of all the new versions of galaga.
especially on consoles and compilations.
im pretty sure player 2 will have the millions digit. when i get i will try it out,
and let you know.
the other thing is the killscreen at level 256. depending on the difficulty
different things have. some just quit, others get stuck, and others just
keep going.
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Ahhhh..once you get the enemies to stop firing, it is simple enough all the way to 999,990. I don't think I've ever gone past that, since I never had the patience to do this as player 2. But I know every time I have done this, reaching the score turnover was never in doubt. It maybe get a little harder, but nothing that all your built up extra lives can't overcome.
can you flash roms to these units?
Ah… but did you test whether the maximum number of points for player 2 is greater than the maximum number of points for player 1? Now THAT's a bug that takes A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT to check for. ;-)
If it saved high scored, I would've put in the time!
I wonder if it works on the first edition Galaga Micro Player..Do you know?
Pretty sure not, as it's the NES ROM.
@@GenXGrownUp Thanks, I wasn't sure
Does the unit save scores or?
No, unfortunately none of the new Galaga Pro units save high scores.
Known the bug since 1983.
Edit: They are using original roms I guess.
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does the trick for controlling the ship during attract
Oh, I didn't think to check that, but I bet it does.
will they bring out phoenix ? or has anyone else done a phoenix one ?
Boy, I don't hear people talking enough about Phoenix. It was a Centuri game, and I dont' even know who holds the rights these days. I'd like to see it get some love.
phoenix ... when you get to the end level with the mothership - it is an epic level which galaxian and galaga does not have - it has the swopping dropping birds too ...@@GenXGrownUp
How long did it take for the bug to work?
Maybe 5-8 minutes?
@@GenXGrownUp, thanks!
Are you SURE that isn't the actual arcade ROM?
I am according to my sources at My Arcade.
Does it save high scores ?
The Pro units do not. I mention it here: ua-cam.com/video/V0LfuGAgs6M/v-deo.html
Sadly, I found out, that this exploit does not also apply to the police. Boy, were they mad and confused.
🤔 Poor Gordon Sumner.
Awesome bug lol
You really said nothing about how this new "pro" unit is an improvement over the previous ones.....is the screen resolution any better ?....what is the resolution anyway ? A video about a bug for no-shoot is irrelevant really.
How the two compare was a non-video. Aside from the visually obvious, they're presenting the exact same experience using the same internal components.
I wonder how pacman sounds and operates
I'll get to it shortly.
@@GenXGrownUp ok thx
You don’t quite get it. The machine is running the actual code from the arcade game, likely on an FPGA. It’s not a port.
Not according to My Arcade, but what do they know? 😉
@@GenXGrownUp We might disagree about how the hardware is emulated, but it’s a dead ringer for the stand-up machine. It’s not all that hard to do it with modern components. Still, great version. It’s exactly what it should be.