Jamie Oliver's War on Nuggets
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- Опубліковано 4 тра 2024
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I wanted to make this because I see this clip make the rounds again and again and every time I'm like "of all the arguments you could make, that's the worst one." So I decided to make a whole video around "of all the arguments you could make, that's the worst one." Jamie Oliver in particular seems to have that effect on people, he gets into this kinda crap all the time, and I think it has a lot to do with the sheer audacity of his lies or near-lies that make even people otherwise sympathetic to his goals wish that he'd just go away. The willingness to just brazenly misrepresent how and why things are the way they are demonstrates a fundamental disrespect for the intelligence of the viewer.
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Don't feed your children frozen chicken nuggets. Cook them first.
My well cooked children seem disinterested in the frozen nuggets.
Did I miss a step?
@@hhiippiittyy You have to marinate them first!
@@AaronLitz
Guess I better go get a new batch of kids and start the recipe over again.
@@hhiippiittyykids cook great in the air fryer
@@hhiippiittyy I've heard that if you just give them enough liquor and send them to bed, you can't start over again in the morning with the same batch.
Ah yes, the 5 basic forms of conflict: Man vs. Man, Man vs. Self, Man vs. Environment. Man vs. Technology and Man vs. Chicken Nuggets.
Are you saying chikky nuggs are a facsimile for society? Are we the pink slime?
It's your classic Boy-meets-Nuggies;-Boy-loses-Nuggies story
Fantastic comment... Theres a fatherless biped joke to be made in there somewhere-
To nug, or not to nug. That is the question.
@@sweetykitty4427 Something about Diogenes ripping his own hair out?
People will romanticize "Native Americans used every part of the buffalo", and then get classist about chicken nuggets and Velveeta cheese. Are they against waste, or aren't they?
They're against waste by everyone not themselves or people of their social class. Which makes it extra fucked.
They romanticize the idea of no waste, but the kinda gross reality doesn’t match the clean and processed food most people are fed which invokes a sorta visceral disgust especially to people who think food must look good at every level of production.
@@jaimayy yeah, exactly! My bf for example will not eat any form of internal organs, unless it's a fancy liver pate or smth. He will avoid tripe, gizzards, any sausage that is made with giblets, etc. And I partly get it - stuff looks gross, and many of those organs are specifically designed to process our waste. But if I am to partake in killing an animal, I find it a moral obligation to consume it all. I refuse to go vegan, though I will eat vegan occasionally, but that doesn't mean I won't spend 10 minutes pulling meat from a boiled chicken neck so my soup has meat in it, without having to buy MORE than the carcass used for stock.
Yup. Jamie’s the sort of guy who would gush over the $300 a plate French restaurants that use every part of the animal and then look down on poor people for doing the same because it’s cheap.
@@beckstheimpatient4135 this is so weird to hear, my moms side of the family mostly work in agriculture (cattle ranching specifically) and where I’m from it’s normal to eat everything of the cow (beef tongue is one of my fav parts). So to me it’s really weird when people are grossed out by it. Organs are good not just in flavor but also in health benefits. The fact that most Americans will refuse to eat something like beef tripe but will be alright with a what is basically processed meat obelisk (bulk Turkey ham) will always been funny to me.
"I don't wanna suggest Jamie Oliver is classist" well, as of writing, the man is currently protesting the UK government in order to get them to ban buy-one-get-one-free deals from supermarkets, so I, personally, am rather comfortable in assigning him so
He WHAT?
@@deereye87 Yep. The public health is in _such_ a sorry state, don't you know. That's why they should be eating his even higher-calorie meals instead. That way they get both the lack of health AND the lack of time!
@@MarceloVeronezzi I'm not an American but cheers. Also as in the video, I'm not arguing that chicken nuggets are good for you, only that they aren't any worse for you than regular chicken.
HES WHAT
I agree with banning buy-one-get-one-free deals, they encourage overpurchasing. Both items should simply be half-price.
The inventor of chicken nuggets, Cornell Professor Robert C. Baker, grew up during the Great Depression and squeezing every last calorie out of a chicken genuinely was one of his motivations. He didn't start a chicken processing empire, even though he invented nuggets, chicken/turkey dogs, turkey ham, etc. He published his research academically and widely distributed his recipes for anyone to use and refine.
Every time I see that Jamie Oliver clip, I can't help but wonder if he has any idea about the origins and purpose of the nugget. However, the more I learn about him makes me think he certainly wouldn't care.
If you look up "Uncle Roger reviews Jamie Oliver" and then after that watch "Uncle Roger reviews Gordon Ramsay" you'll see there's a huge difference in the two. One is a know-it-all and the other actually knows it all. One has had 16 Michelin stars at one point in time while the other has never touched one. Jamie Oliver is always a bundle of cringe because he just doesn't know anything compared to actual chefs.
We live in a society spoiled by relative wealth. While nutrition and starvation are still issues in developed countries, the causes aren't necessarily a lack of food. There are usually socioeconomic factors at play. Or in deep poverty there are also mental health and drug addiction factors as well.
But all that aside, we are a wealthy society, and the fact you can choose to just buy a nice cut of meat and eat only that is evidence of that fact. And the leftover bits can just be processed into cheap food the poor people will buy. Or used in industrial applications.
If we ever got into severe scarcity though I wonder how many noses would be upturned at cheap food.
@@andmicbro1 There would still be some as there are people that think they are so above cheep meals they would rather not eat. But that would quickly end as their bodies shut down and eat themselves.... Or 'eat the rich' become FAR to close to home.
@@andmicbro1 don't forget the very popular videos about expensive food or just wasting as much food as you can. it's absolutely disgusting.
Jamie Oliver saying "their fucking nuggets" when speaking about children should be enough to tell you he's sick in the head.
"Look at these beautiful, healthy stalks of wheat"
[Chops off stalks] "There's a lot of good stuff in this part. Lots of fibre, healthy nutrients"
"Now we're left with *this*. The little bits of protein stuck to the hard, inedible parts" [Gestures at wheat seeds}
"Looks awful, right? Now we're gonna grind them up and sift out the hard bits. And we're left with this bland, awful white powder [shows audience a bowl of flour]
"That's disgusting yeah? Would you eat this? No, of course not. But watch, we're gonna mix in some water and other industrial additives [mixes in egg, sugar, baking powder, vanilla extract] then put it in the oven for a while and just wait"
[60 minutes later] "Alright, look at this. It's gross. Disgusting. Would you eat this? Awful" [pulls a fucking cake out of the oven]
"That's what they do with the parts of wheat that nobody wants. It's a tragedy against cooking."
lol
LOL Brilliant! Don't forget the additional sugars and chemical colorant! "Eww gross it's blue!" [frosting]
Thank you!
Fucking satirical gold.
I see where you were trying to go with your analogy, and I'm in no way arguing with you... Gotta call you out on the fact that to the human digestive system the _only_ portion of the wheat plant with nutritional value is the grains. Humans cannot digest cellulose, it all comes out the back in brown mush. (Minus the 0.1% that fed some of the more creative bacteria in your intestines.)
I’ve never understood the “ew pink slime bad” argument when, in my opinion, we *should* try to maximize what we use out of an animal. Our world is wasteful enough already.
As if Italian meatball mix made of cheap chuck and other undesirable parts of a cow or pig doesn’t look like thick pink slime. Jamie should know that given is failed chain of Italian restaurants.
I've never understood the "pink slime bad" argument because what the fuck is wrong with mince?
@@turkicnomad5632 nah, you said the keyword there: Failed.
Yeah, see that's what I was thinking. I hear his "bad parts of the bird" argument, and all I can think is: "Meh. Waste not, want not".
Ew pink slime. Let me just grind up some beef and make myself a burger, just as god intended.
I’m a Canadian, but watching those little American kids ignore Jamie’s bloviating to raise their hands and ask for nuggets makes me say God Bless America.
As someone who grew up with Jamie's crappy food tech program, watching those kids promptly asking for Chicken nuggets was EXTREMELY cathartic.
That's what we do best 🤣
They're so much younger than the UK kids. They almost certainly thought they should say yes because the important man was making it for them. They didn't get the subtext he was trying so hard to convey.
If I remember correctly those kids come from a rural part of West Virginia where subsistence hunting is still a common practice. Most of these kids probably do not have the luxury of wasting edible animal parts because the idea of eating them is gross.
@@blixer8384 I feel like this is false because subsistence hunting would only make sense if they were extremely remote, as it’s incredibly inefficient. I tried searching it up and the only place that practices it in the US seems to be in Alaska.
It's really gross to watch a multimillionaire chef teaching children in WV, a state with 1 in 5 kids facing food insecurity, that the food they like and that their parents can afford is "dirty."
Seriously. Even when I was younger and more foolish I couldn’t put anything against the kids. Where I live you eat nuggets because it’s fast and affordable protein. I was lucky to get full hot meals too, but not every dang meal can be a fully prepped and cooked thing. Food is food, Jamie.
Also, never knew the place was Huntington, WV! I only know of that place cause of the McElroy brothers and MBMBAM 😄
Jamie Oliver is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the classism that festers eternally throughout almost every aspect of UK mainstream culture.
Are you SURE the only thing their parents can afford is fast food? How do poor people in India afford food that's not chicken nuggets?
Also didn't Oliver come to that town specifically because it was the "most unhealthy/most obese" town in America or something? And he wasn't telling poor people "ugh just buy more expensive food dummy" he's like "can't the govt fund these cafeterias more?"
@@arty6060 I feel like maybe you should be mad more at the govt for not helping the impoverished more instead of Oliver campaigning for public health. Also apparently the amount of sugar consumed has actually dropped because of that. How is this tax supposed to "makes the lives of the impoverished more difficult"? How so?
@@scapegoatmiller9110 I don’t’t think it it selfish, but horribly shortsighted. Jamie was on a crusade against a capitalist machine that sees people as a commodity for money, and for any way to keep they purchasing from them.
Yeah it sucks for some people to say “you are not doing enough for yourself/and your children”. But why should limited funds and thus limited access be there norm? Why aren’t more people pissed off that in one of the richest countries in the world, the wealth disparity is soooo massive and brainwashed that even suggesting an extra relief cheque during a pandemic was a partisan subject? Why does so called eating this “accessible” food of which will have absolute future health effects on generations not scaring people like health issues from cigarettes and drinking?
There is no silent nobility in being “kept poor in a system that benefits from it”. There has to be change. There has to be progress otherwise in some fucked up near future, whole foods isn’t going to be an “option” for fresher produce and product….the classist divide will try to make it the “only option” for them.
Jamie can’t change it. But you can
I'm British and I'm VERY comfortable saying that Jamie Oliver is classist.
that man stole our turkey twizzlers and i’m still mad
He’s fucking obsessed is our Jamie.
@@klavlock you can find them in Iceland mate!
And his green curry is disgusting.
Edit: meanwhile Gordon Ramsay is trying to show Britains the wonders of tripe.
@@ronnickels5193 I couldn't help but shake my head at implying throwing away the carcass of that chicken. He's a chef, no recommendation to use that chicken you paid good money for to make some home made chicken stock? Good on Gordon for trying to get people to try tripe. Not all that common where I live. I never ate it for a long time, but a friend got me to try this soup with some in it and I was sold. I'm not chef enough, or even knowledgeable enough about animal anatomy, to know how much exactly is useable with any given animal. But what I do know is that telling people not to use parts of the animal that are safe to eat, because it's "dirty" or "cheap" is absolutely outrageous. If I was told he never tried beef tongue before because he thought it was dirty, I wouldn't be surprised.
hearing Jamie Oliver get pissed off and determined to show children "what's in their fucking chicken nuggets" feels really awkward and uncomfortable when it's about young school children opting for something they are familiar with and know they like over a professional chef's food they have just tried and aren't used to.
are you implying Jamie Oliver doesn't know how kids work because he probably does his nanny do the raising part? mmhhhhhhhh okay you might not but I wholeheartedly wanna imply that
Also, whyyyy would you deliberately make kids more squeamish about food? Their default setting is "ew, new thing gross". Adults should be doing what they can to encourage kids to try new things when they can, not trying to alienate them from one of the foods they find comforting.
jamie oliver isnt even a professional chef to start
They hurt his fee fees.
Watching a grown man try, and sometimes fail, to bully a bunch of small children about what kinds of food they eat is _intensely_ uncomfortable.
Dan, in 2021: making homemade chicken strips to demonstrate his point
Dan, in 2022: writing a 25000 word book in one month to demonstrate his point
What video was the one with the 25,000 word book?
@@cubasfidelcastro This one ua-cam.com/video/biYciU1uiUw/v-deo.html, on the halfway point Dan follow the "advices" and write a book following someone's "Method" of passive income thru audio books
@@cubasfidelcastro his 'Contrepreneurs: The Mikkelsen Twins' vid
And I would eat both of those
It is strange to think people can hate on foods like nuggets and then also complain about how wasteful the food industry is.
But it's a good point, the only reason there is so much waste is because of the industrialization and the errors that come with it. I had a chemical manufacturing plant, and in one section we did extractions from plant matter. For one specific compound we had to first extract it, then store it carefully for a while, then react it to get the final product. In a couple of occasions the storage phase was done wrong during the night shift, which caused a few kg of the stuff to go bad and had to be thrown out. That couple of kg had come from a couple tons of raw plant matter, it was a week of work into the trash, for one mistake.
Now compare these accidents with buying a whole chicken, you use it all, you don't waste a thing. I know some people might be wasteful, but most people use 100% of the meat and a big percentage uses the carcass to make stock. If a mistake is made, the worst you get is the situation in which you have to throw the whole chicken away, but this is very rare and sparse. This is the law of small scales, very important in biology, especially histology. Mistakes done on an industrial scale, on the other hand, cost the equivalent of hundreds of chickens in weight being thrown out, and that offsets the 1% of meat wasted by normal people on the long run.
Things just work more efficiently in the local level precisely because of the proness to error, otherwise a generalised solution would be better. In the topic of food, absolute centralization is something that should never happen, because if something goes wrong enough, that means no food for anyone.
And on the topic at hand, i rather have a whole chicken at a reasonable price instead of a couple of boxes with chicken products inside that are way more expensive.
I didn't expect to see you here Cone good day to you!
@@yonidellarocha9714 Yes but that's the process, OP was talking about pep throwing the food out when it hits stores
@@yonidellarocha9714 But if you have a million people prepare their own chicken tenders, some of them will throw a lot away, and all of them will throw some away. In the meat industry, virtually nothing gets thrown away. On top of that, many people will have individual accidents which each waste a small amount of food, say because they overcooked it. But a large meat industry will _very rarely_ have large accidents. The total waste is still far greater when individuals cook, because of the scale.
Obviously there are a lot of other costs to having big centralized kitchens, some of which may be nearly insurmountable, but if your narrow goal were to minimize food waste, industrial kitchens would be the way to go. And you would necessarily have a product out there something like chicken nuggets.
@@yonidellarocha9714 your comment is a complete non-sequitur lol. It literally nothing to do with the topic at hand. Neat story but... No one asked
If you want to have a laugh- Jamie Oliver opened up a huge new restaurant in my town a few years ago. It was expensive, the food was bland and reviewers absolutely panned it. It closed down last year and was replaced with a Macdonald's
Shouldn't he be able to make a faster, cheaper, better burger than MacDonald's. What happened Jamie? I thought you were cool.
Guildford represent
@@UnkleAdamsArchive this man knows 😂
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I had jamie oliver himself blow up at me because I was outside his place in Birmingham and absolutely tore down his cooking to my partner - for the record, I didn't recognise him as it was during his super chubby phase - he accused me of being too poor to eat there anyway and wouldn't know a good meal if he slapped me with it. I just laughed in his face and carried on towards the fish market, toting couple of bags from the nearby chinese supermarket.
Bullying Jamie Oliver is not only be encouraged, it's a moral obligation.
except all the huge amount of work that he's done to ensure that schoolkids in the uk have nutritious meals?
@@exigency2231 [everyone disliked that]
@@exigency2231 is that why the UK has literally only one dish with anything resembling flavor and regularly absolutely bastardizes foreign cuisines especially broader asian ones?
@exigency2231 not a good argument when it's being reported that UK children are suffering from malnutrition now.
@@exigency2231 country that surpassed the US as fattest country last year says what?
"These are the kids who don't want to eat MY chicken. These are the kids who want their nuggets back. I'm gonna show them what's in their f***ing nuggets."
That right here shows you how ABSOLUTELY petty Jamie Oliver's entire view on this actually is. He doesn't care about the chicken nuggets or whatever they are made. He's just pissed off that the kids want something that isn't his.
It honestly seems to me like his obsession is more broadly with kids eating stuff that's not just not _his_ but not what he grew up with. He looks down on boiling bones into broth! The only explanation I can think of for that is that he never saw his parents doing it growing up so he assumes it's somehow... I don't even know, dangerous? There's not a lot of ways to put it that don't make him sound like a cartoon villain.
"Boiling bones into broth is just a cheap tactic to make leftover ingredients tasty! Broth comes out of a carton and anything else is unnatural!"
...The worst part is I can actually believe he'd say such a thing.
you can say fucking on the internet
You're right when you said he's pissed off that kids don't want something that isn't his. There is some show (because he has a zillion shows) where he went to Italy and did what he does and made something super wrong, then got super pissed off because they (actual Italians) didn't want to eat his awful take on a traditional dish.
Plus in case anyone doesn't know........he has his own channel and it's a gold mine of awful TV and him (along with his friend Jimmy) being pompous 24 hours a day.
@@PhysicsGamer I think oil is generally fine as long as you don't eat too much of it because it can give you too many calories
@@OmniversalInsect That's true of all food, though.
Even as a vegetarian, I hate the "ew, it's goopy and isn't a breast or thigh" idea. If you're killing a bird, use all of the bird, damnit.
Exactly! Chicken hearts and liver are delicious (my main experience with "weird" parts of the bird) and stuff you don't want to eat itself can be used to make wonderful broths, bases, and all sorts of other food I don't even know exists! It's wasteful and idiotic to not use as much of the animal as possible.
right, as another vegetarian, i'd rather people who ate meat used broths and ate nugs and... you know, used the whole animal. it's less fucking waste.
mmm... Meat goop.
This. I am a meat eater and I embrace this wholeheartedly, I think you should respect the animal that died for you by leaving no waste, eating all of it. My deda has the same mindset, he loved pigs cheeks and eyes and stuff like that, that no one else would eat.
@@Peppered_Spores as an Asian, offal is just free game for me.
“It’s just as time efficient to make chicken nuggets from scratch as it is to put a box of them in the oven” tells me loud and clear that he does none of the cleaning/laundry/general childcare in his house.
Yeah, I genuinely cannot wrap my head around even the idea of someone thinking heating up pre-prepared and precooked chicken nuggets is just as time efficient as taking uncooked, unprepared, unbreaded slabs of chicken and creating chicken nuggets from scratch, by yourself.
How disconnected & sheltered from reality can one be??
I would love to know how many times Jaime Oliver has made his chicken bites recipe, alone, at home, not on camera. How many days did he actually try doing this? I suspect not that many...🤔
@@sorryifoldcomment8596 also wonder how it could even be comparable time wise. Even with the ingredients pre measured out my thrifted air fryer can heat frozen chicken nuggets to crispy doneness in 10 minutes.maybe I just have a powerful air fryer but I couldn't even get the chicken breaded in 10 minutes!
@@strayiggytv Yeah, I have a mini (oil) fryer and use it a lot lol and none of the products I purchase say to fry it even close to 10 minutes.
I guess it's trying to factor in the time taken to heat the oven or fryer, but...you still have to cook the chicken whether it comes already breaded or not...?
I don't know. It makes no sense.
I can't imagine buying raw chicken just to go through the work of breading it myself before cooking it.
Breading meat is fucking so damn difficult.
The reason chicken nuggets are so awesome is a result of their mass production. Make a shit ton of fine breading and smash a bunch of chicken and then roll it in mass in a giant factory and they're perfect!
I don't think it's possible to replicate
You can't even make good breading in tiny quantities. The reason store bought is better is because it's made in huge quantities...and then divided into containers...
Sorry for the rant lol.
We all know that foods are mass produced at one place in the most quantity at once possible, because it's faster and cheaper for everyone involved. But some people forget how this affects the quality of many foods. So many foods are just better when you make large batches of them. Some are literally impossible to recreate when trying to make a smaller batch, even when the exact ratio of ingredient quantities are kept the same.
@@strayiggytv Jamie Oliver is, at the end of the day, a trained chef. Even if he is apparently incapable of actually wrapping his head round recipes. That training is primarily concerned with being able to prepare foods quickly, so it's no wonder that he's able to throw together in 10 minutes something that would take you or I an hour or more of messing around with pots and plates and pans and powders and whatever. This is a common cheat used by the people who write books like "15 Minute Meals!" Such as, not to put too fine a point on it, Jamie Oliver.
Dan could make an entire video or several about invisible labor.
When Jamie Oliver asked the kids in West Virginia about it, I think the fact that it's a West Virginia is an interesting piece of information. That's a state where hunting is still a big part of the culture. So I'm sure many of these kids have probably like, seeing their dad's skin a deer, or at least heard one of their friends talking about it. So, like, yeah, if you know the process of how an animal becomes a piece of food. It's not particularly gross to see it happen.
Oh yeah! I remember being like 6 or 7 when my dad excitedly showed me how "take a squirrel's pajamas off". It was so cool seeing how the skin just peeled cleanly from the muscle in one piece.
Jamie Oliver strikes me as a pure-bred townie who has never seen an animal slaughtered, let alone processed into sausage.
@@thegriffinnews as a dude that recently visited my bud in West Virginia, this is the realest shit. We brought his kid along, taught him how to properly harvest all the parts in order to not waste it. Apparently, a good hunting day can feed them for a couple of weeks, more if you count things like smoked meat and shit. I view it as better than just buying meat at the market, as the large-scale meat industry is really scummy.
Yeah this and the farm kids already know what’s in their food. It’s actually good to teach kids where your food comes from, but don’t use it as a petty scare tactic like Jamie lmao
@@thegriffinnews "Take a squirrel's pajamas off" is unintentionally hilarious, if a little morbid lol
In Dixie land (south east of the u.s) 99.999% of people who don't live in the suburbs or apartments inside the city itself usually know and love to hunt and fish
God as a italian woman I hate the whole "good meat, bad meat" argument. In Italy there are A LOT of traditional and delicious foods made from the parts of the animal people usually throw out. Even the chicken carcass, the head, and the chicken feet are used to make chicken broth. Pork skin, we add it to the pan so the fat melts and adds flavour to the dish even if you don't eat it later. You can basically use EVERY PART of the animal, it's more respectful.
And tasty. Chicken wings used to be considered essentially worthless until _enough_ rich people tried them that it stopped being embarrassing to admit that you _had_ tried them... at which point suddenly everyone realized how good they are when prepared right and now poor people can't afford them anymore.
For a more classic example, see lobster.
Yes but none of that is Mechanically Reclaimed Processed meat as it is in the US. Where they just smash a carcass against a metal plate until whatever mess is remelded into an unidentifiable paste then reformed into a rectangle. Whereas here it is. Pretending the two processes of traditional butchery and mechanically reclaimed meat in a factory are in any way the same is like comparing an oil painting to a inkjet print. Also Mechanically Reclaimed meat gives you a massive increase in the risk of cancer over traditionally butchered meat on account of all the stuff they have to add to it so that it can be processed in such a manner. Also the quality of the animal itself going to normal butchery will be of better quality than that going to MRM production. Just saying the paste issue misses out all of the quality issues that occur prior to it beginning to be sent to be made into nuggets, they intentionally select the worst meat for for that high intensity process as you can hid the fact the animals were abused and battery farmed much easier as all of the identifiable marks of that abuse have been melded into a fine paste. Whereas a cut of meat you can see with no effort what happened to an animal. Striations in chicken breasts and brown nodules on its ankles indicate mistreatment to anyone that knows anything about the meat and its processing. All of that is hidden in these type of miscellany food items. It's only a few steps up from; be happy and eat the bugs argument people seem to latch onto. What you're doing in Italy is the proper example of how to use all of a carcass and any issues can be spotted all along that process, this mechanically reclaimed meat is very much not that.
@@darrens3 Who the fuck cares if the dead animal was treated like royalty, then SLAUGHTERED in the most religiously ritualistically pure way - or slammed against a wall?
Certainly not the people who CAN'T AFFORD TO FUCKING CHOOSE! You missed the point of the video. Go watch it again.
Pay particular attention to classist (as in discriminatory based on socioeconomic class) bullshit peddled by James Trevor Oliver MBE OSI, Knight of the Order of the Star of Italy and generally all around fat cat with a net worth of around $420 million.
As for the rest of your "argument", it's about as much bullshit as Trevor's. More, actually. He had some of his edited down to avoid lawsuits.
That's why he concentrates on bullshit like "clean" and "dirty" parts of chicken - cause he can't argue bullshit about getting cancer on account of processing of chicken, like you do.
Without being sued down to his last pan, that is. And he doesn't have the balls for that. Not with UK's defamation laws. He would literally have to prove such claims in court.
Meanwhile, every restaurant, farm, butcher, supermarket... everyone ever who is even remotely related to production and sale of chicken nuggets could sue him for "serious harm" he did to their reputation and profits.
That's fascinating
@@PhysicsGamer Lobsters, the weird ugly water bugs that only peasants dared to eat, until rich people decided they were fashionable.
It's weird to see a chef characterize the chicken carcass as "garbage." Does he not make chicken stock? Does it not occur to him that it's cheaper to use as much of the animal as possible?
I suspect he doesn't much give a shit. The point isn't to actually differentiate between different foods, but to demonstrate his own exceptional qualities (at least as far as the audience is concerned).
He'll go back to his own restaurants and use the carcass like any half decent chef would... but on camera, he must show how he stands apart. Demonstrate the bonafides of why his brand of 'healthy eating' and food professionalism ought to be bought, both literally and figuratively.
There's a good reason Anthony Bourdain always accused this type of food media as just a form of grift.
Right? Such an important point.
To be fair these are all very old clips and were largely a sign of the times and what TV companies wanted to make. Jamie Oliver has changed with the times.
Not only that but I’m pretty sure it’s healthier; different parts of an animal contain different nutrients if I’m not mistaken
A better point would have been pointing out the added sugar in literally every single American Food. The point is the shit you don't know about in your food. Most people probably think Chicken Nuggets are Breast Meat.
The US government subsidizes Corn. Then used in Coke, Corn Oil and Corn Feed for Beef. The US Government subsidizes your Obesity.
Here in Scotland, Jamie Oliver once proposed a ban on 2-for-1 pizza deals in the name of "healthy eating", as if there's an epidemic of people buying and eating two pizzas to themselves, and there aren't a bunch of working class families who can't afford take-out as a treat without such offers. Not surprising to hear that his other arguments speak to that same simple classism
People are also rarely eating two entire pizzas by themselves in quick succession, I would imagine they keep leftovers for the week
@@ds4251 Seriously! Or (in the before times) it's a great deal for a get-together or party!
Seens frighteningly close to just make eveything more expansive so you can only eat enough to survive. And then advertise as "People will afford to eat but not overeat."
@@ds4251 I do but that's because I'm sad and have mental disorders
@@ds4251 Yeah, give my poor ass that fucking deal and I will eat like half a pizza and have enough left over for a couple of days.
LOL Jamie Oliver literally posted a recipe for "Thai Red Curry" that was neither Thai, nor red, nor even curry but was made with tomato paste, olive oil and soy sauce.
I wonder if he'd be just as okay with seeing the tables turned. Like if it's okay to make that "thai red curry" but not okay for me to make some "ragu" but with soy sauce added to my olive oil and tomato paste.
Obviously I can't guarantee he would be like that, but would it be a surprise?
@@Amaglabiddiaghloughbuite okay but then he shouldn't call it Thai red curry. That's an existing, well established dish from another culture. Names mean something. He's not making Thai red curry. It's as simple as that and calling it such is insulting.
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That isn't even red curry, it's like the weirdest saddest red pesto I've had the misfortune of encountering. Yes, red pesto is a thing (actually, a catch-all term to describe at least 3 different pasta sauces) and it's delicious, but it's utterly incompatible with red curry.
Technically speaking there are more traditional recipes for Thai Red curry that use tomatoes, and soy sauce is an acceptable substitute for fish sauce
Now, that doesn't make his take on Thai Red *good* but it's not a blasphemy, either
Wanna know something funny? Jamie Oliver went on TV and made an entire episode of his _American Road Trip_ that basically blamed fast food and other "dirty" foods for indigenous peoples' health problems. He summarized the (ongoing) genocide of indigenous people in about 2-4 sentences in the middle of the episode, and then continued railing on about all the dirty food they're eating.
Jamie used Navajo people as a rhetorical tool, and used their stories of how food in their communities was being westernized-how their culture is continuously erased from the public eye-to whinge about fast food.
Btw, Jamie Oliver would have an aneurism if he found out about scrapple.
The best food _ever!_
The Sioux are still fighting to get their fucking home back there was a huge protest about years ago we’re police use fire hoses on them and pepper spray they are refusing several millions just because they want the right full land of the black hills back that was taken from them by the us government due to a broken treaty and this asshole says that poor food choices are there fault
does anyone have this clip? im interested to see just how shitty he's being
woah, killing most of the main sources of food for a groups a people and then having a government replace it with processed carbs and fats that makes them more likely to be unhealthy, and for some reason it’s all there fault?? what a dick
It's mostly newspaper and Phillie Fanatic meat.
This feels weirdly personal for Jamie, like as he became a chef his family and friends wouldn't stop eating "low quality food" even as he showed them how much "better" they can eat or something. Someone refused to eat his chicken and instead ate chicken nuggets, and that's now Jamie's villain origin story.
So many people in so many professions seem to view the world through the lenses of what they are devoted to, and wonder why everyone else doesn't.
Mechanics and fitness people are a good examples. Yeah, dude, I know I need new tires... you gunna buy them for me or should I just ignore my leaking roof and the lump on my dogs leg for the next few pay periods? Assuming another bill doesn't come along and push this all back into more desperate territory.
I think a huge part of it is that he’s petit bourgeois. He’s got a chip on his shoulder telling him that he’s better and others are lesser. Being ignorant of reality and the strife engendered by classism as a mechanism for perpetuating it is peak bougie bs. They’re desperate to be perceived as better because if they aren’t then they’re just like everyone else, yet they’re putting others down to rise up, which would make them bad, causing a crisis of conscious. Easier to deny it all and keep telling kids they’re trash for eating nuggets.
don’t know his backstory at all but my immediate thought was that he resents them from reminding him of his "underprivileged" past
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adding quotes since someone pointed out below he wasn't poor
Isn't this also Remy from Ratatouille's origin story?
@@hhiippiittyy eat your dog
Almost ate a disgusting, fake food that contained hard-to-pronounce words like hydroxycinnamic acids, oligomeric procyanidins, and dihydrochalcones. You know, apples.
I would also not eat a electronic appliance, those heavy metals in apple computer can be toxic
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What makes the apple fake then?
@@MeshsCorner According to historical sources in the form of the holy book, apples where artificially created by snakes in order to trick humans into abandoning exhibitionism.
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A more honest answer is that Apples are as human made and engineered as a poptart or a knife.
Perhaps more so, the creation of the specialized crops we eat nowadays took hundreds or even thousands of years of selective breeding of plants to favor desirable traits and encourage them to taste how we want, as well as to make the edible stuff larger.
I remember one episode where Jamie went to a Highschool, gave a group of teenage volunteers ONE DAY of training, and asked them to cater a huge banquet for the teachers/parents with one day's notice. It would've been hard for grown adults with enough training to do that. But when they inevitability had difficulties and were overwhelmed, he dropped multiple f bombs and stormed out - on literal kids, mind you. Man's a wackjob.
Not even Gordon Ramsay would be that cruel
@@sev1120 nah Gordon actually likes kids, unlike Jamie.
When you choose cooking as a career path and then produce inferior/unsafe food, that's when he gets mad, even out of character.
@@nouhorni3229Yeah from what I've seen, Gordon gets mad at inept professionals, but is perfectly nice to kids.
Bit offtopic, but I find Gordon Ramsay's best content is his travel vlogs where he goes to different countries and try to learn their cuisines. He shows a lot of humility and respect for local culture and doesn't turn his nose up at what most westerners would consider "gross".
@@sev1120he is super nice and encouraging to the kids on master chef junior
@@sev1120 Ramsey isn’t a bad guy at all. He’s only mean to ppl who deserve it or competing for that restaurant deal. The person was was his mentor in the kitchen was who taught him to scream the way he does.
Dan touched on it, but around 2005 he tried to overhaul school meals in a pilot project. The cost of the meals skyrocketed and parents were seen outside the gates giving their kids bags from MaccyD's and again he framed it as somekind of psychological brainwashing. Why can't these parents stop being poor and buy his exorbitant school meals.
The irony of Jaime Oliver is he burst onto the scene as the working class answer to celebrity chefs, but while the like of comparitively posh Hugh Fernley-Whittingstall (sp.) Actually uses widely available produce and Nigella Lawson makes fun of herself for using obscure ingredients, Oliver frequently conjures up meals that you could only possibly shop for in the trendiest produce stores in London if you had a massive wallet. The guy is so detached from the pulse of the nation yet parades himself as some kind of saviour. As a Brit I will say, he's widely regarded as a gobshite.
The "it looks gross" argument never worked for me because all raw chicken looks really gross to me
Right like the texture of flour-y dough literally sends chills down my spine but im not gonna stop eating pretzels
lol especially with how bloody raw chicken can be
there is nothing appetizing about precooked, freshly cut chicken wing portions
I myself find all raw meat absolutely disgusting, to a point I can't even eat rare steak
I remember the first time I saw my mom pull out raw chicken to cook with, it was so jiggly and left slug smears everywhere, and my mom told me not to touch it EVER without washing my hands... I thought it was some sort of toxic jelly!
as someone who gutted ducks as a youngster a my grandparents farm I'm kind of desensitized to how gross the process is. it's still horrible though
in high school I was in a program that demo'd Michelle Obama's healthier school meal initiative, one of the pilot programs. We had special chefs come in to "teach" the older ladies that ran the place how to make a healthy meal, as if they didn't know how. For several months, funding was poured in and we had plenty of greens and higher quality meals. When the training part (the PR initiative) was over the money was gone and it was back to chicken nuggets, brick slices of pizza and so on.
We didn't need a savior to tell us the difference between good food and bad food. The school just needed money for food.
Well said.
Why is something that simple so _hard_ for the people chosen to legislate over this to understand?
This... all of this
@@RozWBrazel because they dont actually care
And they never got it under drumpf. At least they got something substantial, think of the kids whose only meal will be at school. I was a huge nerd in the 80a and 90s and made som great friends who were poor as shit I went to a vermont public school my parents owned the most expensive restaurant in our state at the time and I was middle class by thatschool's standards, some kids were hell to others, but the pretty popular girls weresurprisinflt nice and would dance at dances with everyone and Make a point to dance with some of the less popular kids. I was in the middle. But then I found out my whole family were also drug dealers and the one kid in school outselling the 12 lth grade dealers does well. Also I did fed time for smuggling pot hahaha
Jamie Oliver's bizarre belief that the number of ingredients is inversely correlated to the quality of a meal really bugs me. I had the misfortune of eating at one of his restaurants before they went the way of his chicken carcass, and I had the blandest mixed grill I've ever had in my life. I didn't know it was even possible to make meat taste that boring.
no hormones, no fillers, no e numbers, no seasoning, no flavour!
Jamie's belief comes from the provably correct belief that highly processed food is bad for you, and that highly processed food comprises the bulk of products with 15+ ingredients.
It's not even clear that he doesn't understand this directly and has simply left this to the viewers inference.
His restaurants are bad, but Dan missed bad on this one.
@@mikeanthony773 Dan pretty much nailed this one actually. Highly processed food is *worse* for you but starving is deadlier than that. It's a lot more complicated than one or the other being "healthy." If all you're eating is fried chicken nuggets, there's a much larger concern for your diet than whether you made them yourself or not. You're still eating nothing but chicken, bread, oil and salt.
@@kylegonewild It's also a question of consistancy, nutrients, taste, price and what's in those.
I guarantee you if we were to not process our food, certain health problems would show their ugly heads. We managed to process most of the danger out the food. We managed to make it last longer with certain additives, we managed to make it taste better. We managed to make it cheaper, consistent, and we managed to make even more of it out of the same amount of food. Hell, the health part is why we process water. "Raw" water can outright kill you or cause you heavy harm if you're not careful and don't sterilize it.
As much as there are risks of cancers and health conditions from those processed foods, so long as you have variety in your meals, do regular exercise and keep yourself in check on a nutritional and medical level. You should be having minimal health risks to yourself.
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That's correlation, though, not causation. Somebody could make a healthy, delicious meal with lots of different veggies and a really complex herb mix bumping the ingredient count way up, and companies can (and do!) make a very simple processed meat with "celery extracts" to hide the harmful ingredients they know they're putting in there and to make it look safer and more natural. If you want your food to actually be safer and healthier you need to have some working knowledge of what things are actually making the food unhealthy, or you'll just end up recreating overly salty, sugary, fatty foods while being afraid of herbs de provence.
It's funny how there is absolutely no problem with a kid if they agree with him, but if they don't, suddenly the system is corrupting our children.
Nah, his show's fine either way. If the kid agrees it's "See, even kids know how gross this is!" and if they don't it's "We've brainwashed our children into liking gross things!"
I grew up with a Southern granny who regularly fed us bone soups and fried organs who would have been appalled by Jamie Oliver. She didn’t survive the depression by only eating the “good” parts of the chicken. She saved her bacon grease and used the whole bird. Lived to 88.
your granny sounds really cool :)
Meat stocks and organs are actually very nutritious.
Bless her heart. All that stuff is great!
Any halfway decent chef would also never complain about things like bones or organs: there's so much delicious falvour in there!
Probably blamed 'society' for it too
“Im not saying Jamie Oliver is classist” *cuts to him being extremely classist*
"I'm not saying he thinks poor people are dirty and immoral, but it is what he says on TV"
Eh, he can say something classist but it doesn't make him necessarily classist. The moment you slap that label on anyone you begin to assume their motivations.
He may think he's doing the right thing and helping people. If you slap the label classist on him, its far harder to accept good intentions with bad outcomes.
@@Jaigarful Pretty much everyone - including the worst forms of bigots or those who support concentration camps and conversion therapy, for example - believes they are doing the right thing. Everyone is a hero in their own eyes, right? The issue is how they are defining "the right thing". Someone who does harm whilst doing it for "good reasons" is still doing harm.
Now, we can never truly know how someone else really thinks about others deep in their heart, so whether Jamie Oliver is classist or not isn't really something we can answer in that way. What is being pointed out here is that whether he 'really' is or not classist, he is saying things and behaving in ways that are fundamentally identical to the ways he would do if he were classist.
Everyone is a mix of motivations, it's rarely one single 'pure' reason. I have no doubt that this is also true for Jamie Oliver.
@@serinad9434 Well said
@@serinad9434 Its a reachability thing. There are people and beliefs out there are totally unapproachable and there's no hope of pulling the person away. But there are people who are reachable, and putting them into a bad category encourages them to double down. You're never going to get someone who's racist to change their mind by calling them racist. But if you try to form a separate between them and the idea, you can remove some of the tribalism and perhaps actually reach the person.
"I'm going to show them what's in their fucking nuggets" is super strong energy for what is supposed to be a fun food education show
Especially because he's talking to fucking children.
He seems more concerned with winning an argument than teaching these kids.
If you want the sole evidence that Jamie should never be taken seriously when it comes to cooking or anything food related is that he used PRECOOKED rice packets for an egg fried rice recipe. He is a professional chef that couldn't be bothered to properly prepare the main ingredient of his dish.
Damn, he got an egg to fry rice and didn't even make the rice properly?
@@Bogwedglehe did NONE of the work. The egg fried the rice, and whoever packaged the rice precooked it
He doesn't respect people who he thinks are low class.
@@hypothalapotamus5293 as someone who has the misfortune of coming from the same county in England as this man, it's no surprise. Very typical for a rurally raised middle class Essex bloke to have this sort of mindset.
Just a heads up that Fried Rice is usually supposed to be cooked with day old/leftover rice, not fresh. This is probably why he used a precooked package, to better replicate the rice being leftover.
I find the "whole chicken paste is gross" demonstration utterly hilarious.
He's a professional chef, surely he's familiar with Pâté
Literally the only difference is which meat it is, and if chicken carcasses are "the bad parts" when we shouldn't be making chicken broth either.
Most plants that make nuggets only use the breast meat and skin anyway.
Yeah it's better that every part is being used; it's all meat.
If he hated mechanically separated meat so much I would love to watch a show about him trying convince north america to give up eating hotdogs. I would pay to watch this elitist tell grown adults that their food is 'dirty'.
I remember here in the UK someone once took down Jamie Oliver by comparing his rants about the "unhealthy" ingredients in cheap processed food to the comparatively similar levels of fat and salt found in meals in "Jamie's Italian" restaurant chain.
It seems that Jamie considers a cheap takeaway chip shop frying chips disgusting because they are soaking up vegetable oil but it's perfectly healthy for middle class people in his own restaurant to dip their bread in olive oil as a starter. Hmmm....
@@TheMogul23 Olive oil is a lot healthier actually. People need to learn that vegetable oil is nearly poisonous. If you were to dip bread in vegetable oil for a week (to be extreme), you would understand just how dangerous it is. Olive oil is more likely to be prepared in ways that are not unhealthy because it is considered more normal to eat directly and it is not good for frying.
I was a lunchlady in America for a little over a year. School districts hire a private company to come in and handle all of their lunchrooms. That company has a nutritionists on staff who makes menus according to guidelines we knew nothing about. Everyone in the actual kitchen was unskilled labor (in the sense that their effort was not reflected in their paychecks) Additional nachos, tater tots, pizza, cakes, and a few healthier options like salads, fruits, and even sushi were available at an additional cost.
Some kids would regularly spend >$10 on lunch each day.
Some kids would find their parents hadn't put any money in their account. I could put the kids in debt up to a limit of about -$10 and if their parents hadn't payed by then, I was instructed to confiscate and discard their lunch. I was then supposed to replace it with a crustless PB&J disk that was still technically considered feeding the child. This powerful shaming ritual was designed to get the kids to complain to their parents about it until they ponied up.
I would just let them keep it and nobody noticed, so the whole policy must not have had much impact on anything but the self esteem and psyche of thousands of hungry children.
I’m 30 now, and remember all of that happening as far back as my childhood in the 90’s. Jesus Christ. Truly evil. Thank you genuinely for your work. You are unironically a hero.
@@mariahtasker "I would just let them keep it" not all heroes wear capes
Seriously. Shaming the child is not the way to approach this. Your adults, treat it like an adult matter. If they aren't paying take it up with the parents, or with the school to be a middle man. The kid has no place being involved in any step of reclaiming their money.
i very distinctly remember being in middle school sitting at tables with kids who ate got the extra stuff every day instead of the normal lunches and feeling embarrassed about eating the lower quality food. some kids would even tease us for eating the stuff on the lunch trays. It got to the point where some days i wouldnt get in the lunch line at all, for fear of outing myself as someone who had to eat a normal lunch.
Deeply dystopian.
He's totally classist. There's a real problem with classism in food in general.
But, I mean that's a problem as old as classism itself.
This reminds me so much of the sh!ittyfoodp**n subreddit where most of the recipees (while seemingly gross, sometimes even seemingly made on purpose to look so bad) seemed like actual struggle meals someone with not a whole lot of money might be eating in an effort to survive another day.
Or maybe I'm just stup*d and think of it as classism, idk
@@fresanegra77 No, no, thats a great point. Same way a lot of the "cringe"-themed subreddits are just pointing at autistic teens having fun, a lot of the "trashy"-themed subreddits are just pointing at poor people who make do with what they can get.
@@user-sk2iw7bq1i thank you
Can we just acknowledge that the guy who says chicken nuggets are gross put chilli jam in fried rice
This should be the response to anything he says. "Bla bla fine dinning good ingredient" yeah but you put chilli jam in fried rice, lol
Mmm chicken nuggets, fried rice & chili jam sounds divine
@@YAUUN Haha!
what's wrong with that
@@TheParadiseParadox lol
For American viewers, an important note. Oliver's accent registers as hilariously, stereotypically working class London to his UK audience. The extent to which it's genuine is... debatable. What's defiitely true is that he represents his father's business as a 'pub', when it's actually a rather more commercial operation than that implies. Any analysis involving both Oliver and class is necessarily going to get very complicated. It's really not clear to what extent his own class signifiers are performative.
Bingo
He's a multimillionaire, all 'working class' pretense is bullshit. Even from the start, his family owned a restaurant before he was even born. The most 'working class' thing to his name is his weak education, but even that doesn't matter for him because he doesn't need qualifications for his job.
Class isn't really that complicated. Lower/Working class are "the plebs", Middle Class is for "aspirational" snobs who are just better than everyone else, and Upper Class are the mythical cultured types we must all aspire to be. I say this hyperbolically as obviously Class is a very important social currency to the Middle Class, who use it to lord over the lower class whilst revering the upstanding royals, and so on. Socioeconomic status is different in every culture but it's largely three broad tiers with common characteristics to each, expressed differently depending on that culture.
The "Blair era" of 1996-2008 is weird as it defined blending of the middle and lower class demographic in both political advertising and programming. This was contrary to the traditional class warfare, where the political right pit the lower and middle class against eachother to distract from the crimes of the ultra wealthy. For the most part this could be considered a good change for the zeigeist, but it did lead to dishonest personalities like Jamie Oliver and Tony Blair who pretended to be "blokes" when they were from an entirely different social background.
In any since, class or socio-economic status is the primary divisive function in most societies and it has its own rich, strange history in the UK.
Fun fact: the prevalance of feminist ideology and race theory in media and academia has massively increased in proliferation since the financial crisis, and ever since identity politics was observed to have broken up and destroy the Occupy Movements, a movement designed to bring the ultra-rich and powerful to account. Socioeconomic disparity as factor in inequality are routinely left out of conversations about social friction. A coincidence, i'm sure...
Yeah his accent and the way he is (deliberately) framed as more “approachable” than other celebrity chefs is key to this whole schtick - his branding is aggressively “down to earth”, like his other shows are all him making “quick, easy” meals and such. This would all read so different if it was gordon ramsey doing it, or heston, or any other uk chef. It would be so much more transparently classist
@@NDenizen Exactly. I'm sure it's in no-ones best self interest to make anonymous donations to social justice groups to have them draw attention to menial shit like "Ooh weren't the police a bit rough on that group who had a big social gathering after they said no social gatherings?" Let's put that in the news for 2 months, I'm sure absolutely nothing more important is being done by anyone with any power whatsoever.
Five bucks says Jamie Oliver would agree with "We should reduce food waste" and then have a fit if you mentioned nuggets as one way to do so.
I'm sure he's a nice guy in his personal life, but I am so BEYOND done with Jamie Oliver as a public figure. UA-camrs rising up to point out how full of it he is makes me so happy.
@@mmmk9966 I never understood the personal/public life thing.
A person is the sum of all their actions and intentions and saying someone is a nice guy in their personal life makes as much sense to me as saying they're a nice person on Tuesdays and Thursdays.
@@burstofsanity I reserve the right to wake up in a foul mood XD
@@burstofsanity Sometimes people get flanderized into acting a specific way on camera and if you know this you might not take everything they say at face value
@@burstofsanity there is a blurry line, but they are not the same. A public persona is crafted and presented to an audience, for a purpose. The same person isn’t always performing in their private life, they’re just living. Think how you might act differently in a work environment vs home/out with friends. At work you ‘care’ about the work your boss asks of you. At home, maybe you still do, or maybe you complain about it. Or both. Maybe your boss is awful at work, but that role brings out lousy qualities in them, and they’re nice when they’re not in I’m-telling-you-what-to-do mode. It doesn’t make the lousy boss time alright, but they are somewhat a different person outside that role.
Around the time Super Size Me came out, I remember one of my cousins constantly dangling making me watch the movie over my head like a threat every time I mentioned craving McDonald's. Eventually I watched it in high school for health class with a similarly opinionated teacher, and all I could think is "Yeah, no shit you shouldn't eat McDonald's three times a day, 7 days a week."
I get a similar energy from this, as if Jaime Oliver truly believes all these kids eat are chicken nuggets for every meal.
Honestly thinking about it now eating any one meal every meal every day is going to be bad for you
We also had to watch Supersize Me in health class and honestly it was so pointless. I didn’t have to watch a man destroy his body to know that eating fast food every day at huge portions was a bad idea.
No one was under the impression that fast food was good for your health, McDonald’s was already being mocked as being gross and bad for you. Supersize Me just jumped on the trend and made a spectacle to be used as a scare tactic rather than teaching anything actually useful about nutrition and health
The moment you can stop watching is when he literally vomits the first time he eats McDonald's. That's not a condemnation of how unhealthy McDonald's is (though it certainly is), it's just this dumbass getting a huge dump of insulin his body isn't used to. Dude went from a professional vegan chef making his meals for him to McDonald's every day all day. A complete 180 from deprivation to saturation. A Big Mac probably contains about as many calories he gets from a vegan diet in a day, and ten times the sugar ahd carbs.
I hated McDonald's before Super Size Me came out. Does that give me hipster cred?
Super Size Me is generally not a great example here considering it both fabricated a bunch of its numbers and has also gotten a lot of shit for being classist and fatphobic
Also little funfact, he didnt kill his liver by eating McDonalds for 30 days, he's just been an alcoholic since the age of 13
Here's the thing people miss about Jamie Oliver; he doesn't actually love, or even have a basic appreciation for, food. He has an appreciation for fine dining and cuisine, but that seems (at least to me) to be more about prestige. It is obvious from his "culturally-inspired" recipes (if you can even call them that) that he does not have enough care for the original to successfully recreate them, nor does he show any self-awareness for the cultural basis behind why certain foods are prepared in their specific ways. Beyond being hilariously bad recreations of iconic foods (that themselves became iconic through availability to the common folk), they often use ingredients that do not belong in those dishes traditionally (largely due to availability), while also lacking ingredients that are traditionally used in them due to his personal distaste. It would be one thing if he were unable to source the proper ingredients, due to either cost or distance, but that actually brings me to another point of contention with him. He will belittle people for eating "dirty" sustenance foods they can reliably obtain and afford, while also touting himself as superior for being able to appreciate the "cleaner," "healthier," "prime" cuts that cost more than twice as much in most cases. So what is his excuse for his own recipes? If cost is not his consideration, then surely he could at least source the proper ingredients, or even superior yet comparable ingredients, in order to maintain some level of authenticity.
No. I view Jamie Oliver, at best, as a trendy wannabe chef who I would barely consider a competent home cook. Even a decent home cook can take cheaper, less desirable ingredients and create a meal. He fails to demonstrate proficiency with even basic techniques (using a colander on over-boiled, waterlogged rice), is entirely carried by ingredient quality (which doesn't matter if the end result is a mess), has no real concept of how cost or effort can constrain people, and the list goes on.
I don't think Jamie Oliver likes cooking, or even the food. I think he's after the fame, money, and prestige that comes with being a chef.
Worst example of his
Butter less butter chicken
Or in short: Uncle Roger
There's a channel it's a food travel show can't remember what it's called right now but the host goes to different countries and tries whatever the locals suggest to him occasionally he doesn't like it but he's always happy to have experienced someone's culture. I remember him going to Mexico and an old man fed him cow head and he said I don't like how it's looking at me but you know what it's actually pretty tasty if we would just get over our squeamishness. He tries street food every day food and fancy food cause he really has a love and interest for food and culture
@@caradanellemcclintock8178Bizarre Foods With Andrew Zimmern?
@@caradanellemcclintock8178 Best Ever Food Review Show?
I like how jaime says that "we manipulated our children" while hes manipulating the shit out of them with his phrasings.
He's also talking about it as if this is a new thing and not what has always been done. Like does he think that medieval peasants ate nicer looking food? The new thing is the idea that you shouldn't eat the whole chicken.
"theres no political will" I guess fuck Michelle Obamas efforts then, I mean kids just throw away the veggies but hey there was at one time.
Very common with people spreading an ideology. Rules for thee, not for me
@@hedgehog3180 another thing: medieval peasants rarely if ever ate chicken at all! Chickens lay eggs which are a far more versatile protein source that you can get out of a chicken for potentially years. And when one went to the pot it was after she’d stopped laying (and maybe even then sold to someone else if it was worth more than eating it yourself). And THEN they’d often boil bones several times to get everything they could put of them. The idea that they throw out a carcass because there wasn’t the primary cuts on it is absurd. ALSO, there are cultures today that don’t split meat up in the same way that Western countries do.
@@cocktailonion696 I'm fairly certain any meat at all was practically a luxury. The only places that had ready access to meat of some kind of coastal areas and fish.
Just to 'Yes And' this - I think it's interesting to think about Jamie Oliver's war on nuggets in the context of a very British tradition of "moral intervention in the lower classes" that Victorian women used to do a lot of! You find a cause, like chicken nuggets, that's largely aesthetic (as you point out), moralise it, and then intervene without actually doing much about the underlying causes of the problem. At the same time you get to feel like you're doing charity work, and you vilif the aesthetic signifiers of poverty. Jamie Oliver was actually one of the kinder embodiments of that tradition: at least some kids did get to try some new and perhaps healthier food as a result, or learn some cooking skills. At the same time there was also a widespread hatred for "Chavs" being spread; the Blair government increased the criminalisation of documented working class people with the use of ASBOs; and Blair also expanded the use of concentration camps for undocumented migrants who are disproportionately working class.
What's also interesting is that those who criticised Jamie Oliver by and large didn't do it on the grounds you did here: criticism tended to portray him as a busybody, or just make fun of his voice and haircut. The long-term effect of Jamie's work was to entrench "school dinners" as a site of absolute psychosis in the minds of the British commentariat, to the extent that when Jeremy Corbyn ran for office with a manifesto that included free school meals for all children to be paid for by raising taxes on private schools he was portrayed as dangerously insane.
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That's such an interesting point, I think it also plays into the general public perception of pre-packaged foods, which has changed drastically since their introduction. The advent of frozen meals in the 20th century usurped the need for a lot of household labor (in places like the American south, up till that point it was still very common for upper class white families to have an employed black domestic worker), and have since had something of a flip of public opinion, now being seen as, like you said, an aesthetic signifier of poverty, and are generally looked down upon. I didn't previously consider how that classist mentality plays into the conservative philosophy of austerity.
Seems like whether its drugs, convenience foods, 'low-class' hobbies/interests, bourgeois discourse can only identify symptoms of our broken system, and treat them as though they are a cause that can be productively remedied.
I would argue that this is not only present in the UK. This is pretty prevalent in the US as well. It's easier to shame poor people for the few bits of pleasure in their lives than it is to actually improve them.
The thing is, even ruling out "dirty" ingredients, we love nuggets because they're incredibly consistent and reliable. You don't get weird textures or unexpected spots of flavor. In a world of sensory hell, "tolerable" is league's better than "yet another giant gamble".
Autistic?
They're comfort food, plain and simple. They may not be the healthiest option, but they taste good, they give you energy, and it's consistent
I hope this doesn't come off as insensitive, but do you think that's the reason why a lot of people on the autistic spectrum seem to enjoy nuggets, due to sensory issues and stuff? I'm not very well versed in this sort of thing so I'm sorry if I've made any bad assumptions of any sort here.
@@SanctuaryADO That's exactly why I like them. When my sensory issues are being a pain in the ass nuggets are a god send. I've spent most of my life surrounded by other autistic people and almost everyone has had similar reasons for enjoying nuggets. Obviously not everyone is going to have the same reasons but sensory issues are a very common reason
@@Disastranaut thank you very much for that answer!
The disparity between the amount of work it takes to make Oliver's chicken nuggets and boxed ones, while represented in this video by reading a book, can also be (and probably is) used by poor families to look after kids, get more work done, clean the house, not to mention that kids can make boxed chicken nuggets but typically don't have the skill or knowledge/awareness of stove safety to MAKE chicken nuggets. AKA the kids can feed themselves while parent(s) work late, look after younger siblings, work a *second job*, as so many poor families do in America. All of which to say, the time to make the "better" chicken nuggets is a luxury a lot of people (even people who may not be technically "poor") can't afford.
I completely forgot about the "so easy a child could make them" aspect. Fires that occur in ovens are much more easily contained than fires on stove tops. You can also cook nuggets in the microwave, further reducing fire risks. Also, it is far cheaper to operate a microwave or toaster oven than a full range to cook from scratch. You would be surprised how many poor people live in housing without a working range.
This is THE point to end all other points. Children knowing how to prepare their own meals quickly, easily and safely is such an invaluable aspect of survivability for low-income families we can't stress enough. Not only is Shimmy Olive Oil's reasoning shallow at best in how he presents it, but the way he strategically and conspicuously uses children as the reframing tool for his classist rambling is so insufferably transparent and manipulative, like 'EWWW LOOK HOW YUCKY THIS IS KIDS!!!' to appeal to their emotional side. Like- what is he expecting them to do about it? It's probably the only snack/meal they know how to reliably prepare while their parents are at work all day.
"Food prep is extremely time and energy intensive, and it's maddening that so much of the hay about healthy eating relies on pretending that it's not" - THANK YOU this is so validating, god
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So much this
I don't personally need validation from people on the Internet.
I watched a lot of Good Eats when I first really got into cooking and the point where I realized that Alton Brown was putting way too much effort into some of the recipes was transformative for me. No doubt all the stuff he does makes a difference, but is it enough of a difference to justify the time and effort? Often, no. Having a child has tremendously streamlined my cooking. I'm tossing out fiddly appliances and complicated recipes left and right and concentrating on stuff I can make in big batches when I have time, freeze, and then thaw out as needed.
@@pXnTilde wow ur so elevated and smar - **PROLONGED FART NOISE**
"Would you rather eat cheap food or expensive food?"
"Expensive."
"Wow, this really says a lot about our society."
It really does. If you frame it as "Would you rather eat nutritious or expensive food?" you would get very confused looks. Despite this, you can definitely prioritize either one.
it's a correlation vs. causation question. People tend to correlate "expensive food" (statement about monetary value) with "better food" (statement about waaaay more than monetary value). It indeed does say a lot about our society, what matters is what it may say. It's easy to make fun and be sarcastic, less easy to analyse "why things are".
Depends on how much i have to prepare it and whos paying for it. I'll take the cheap food that cooks while im in the shower any day of the week over expensive food i got to spend an hr preparing and pay for out of pocket. I just work out and try to watch my sugar and salt intake for weight maintance.
@@DingDingTheUA-camBuddy I think you're proving the OP's point. You're conflating cheapness with shitness. Takeaway often costs more, but it's convenient. When I cook something it costs much much less per portion in monetary terms. But its way more time and labour intensive, a lot of people forget that time and labour are resources, not just money, so eating shit expensive food is preferable for many because the trade off for nutrition and deliciousness is extra time.
There's also the issue that many of the people who decry inexpensive processed food are also people who view cooking as a leisure activity. For them, the extra hands-on time involved in preparing fried chicken from scratch doesn't matter/isn't a cost because it's something they would do for enjoyment anyway.
I like cooking as a hobby, and even I understand not wanting to deal with food prep and cleanup.
@@norsehorse84 i even dont mind doing dishes half the time but how that i have been living in a place with no dishwasher, i would imagine a family with however many kids, working 2+ jobs, needing to do laundry, tring to find some time to decompress from the day, etc in my situation not being able to balance it
To be clear, decrying the QUALITY of inexpensive processed food is entirely rational.
Dan has totally glossed over that the genesis of Jamie's crusade - namely that chicken nuggets and other processed foods are actively bad for you - is scientifically correct and entirely uncontroversial in the field. Perhaps they're part of the cost of feeding 7 billion human beings on a ball of rock of finite size, but it has been definitively settled (on par with our confidence in the reality of anthropogenic climate change) that such foodstuffs come with a cost to the people who consume them, even beyond their tendency for excess salt, fat, and sugar.
@@mikeanthony773 IDK man, nutrition "science" is a pretty unreliable field and nobody except the Brazillians seem to be even trying to define what "processed food" actually *is*.
I'm American, I'm *deeply* aware of how food in general has gotten less healthy over time (ask me about the time I found garlic salt that was cut with fucking sugar), but it seems to me that "processed" is just another buzzword fad.
@@GigasGMX Yes
I honestly can't think of a quicker way to peg whether someone has even butchered an animal themselves than hearing them complain about "processed food"
Like an unprocessed often means that the head and fur is still attached man. It takes a lot of processing to get it to the point food resembles anything you put on your plate.
If Jamie thinks this is disgusting, he should show those kids how they make Black Pudding or Haggis, but something tells me he'd never do it or he'd spin it in favor of it and then let's see how many kids will raise their hands to show they'd want to eat it.
Considering he's an upper-class English chef, I wouldn't be surprised if he considers Haggis to be similarly 'dirty' because, well, Haggis is Scottish.
Sausages would probably be best since I’m certain he loves them himself
Black Pudding is primarily made from blood, and Haggis is a bunch of digestive organs stuffed into each other (I'm heavily simplifying things)
I doubt Jamie would even touch these because they're 'bad parts' of the animal
The whole pink sludge thing is fascinating because all raw ground meat looks like pink sludge until you cook it. Does he make burgers? Meatballs?
@@matthewmuir8884 Jamie Oliver is a lot of things, but he's not upper class.
The level of disdain in his voice at both the kids and the nuggets when he says "I want to show them whats in their fucking nuggets" is startling
"Oh, you *dare* to turn up your nose at my cooking? Alright, watch as I ruin everything you love out of petty spite."
You literally got triggered over a man hating chicken nuggets.
@@Bambim8 They literally didn't. You just have issues with reading comprehension, understanding nuance, or both.
@@Bambim8 this man went on television multiple times to try to tell children chicken nuggets are unfit for human consumption cause he thinks they are icky
@@Bambim8 you literally got triggered over a comment hating a man hating chicken nuggets
West Virginia is the second-poorest state in the US. Statistically at least one of those kids lives in poverty, and likely relies on school meals to keep themselves fed.
It’s disgusting to me that they’re being used as an example of “the decline of the new generation” as opposed to realizing that those kids could easily have grown up knowing hunger and therefore will eat anything.
Bill Harley is a WV children's storyteller and he has a story about getting a special treat at school once a week if they were lucky: hot bread and butter sandwich. Its exactly what it sounds like, two pieces of toast and butter.
I’m proud the kids are like I’d eat that. Food waste is also an issue.
This. Just, all of this. I’m glad someone brought that up
Also they're kids and it's chicken nuggets. There are rich parents right now trying to get their kids to be snobs about processed chicken and failing.
@@imjustdandy9799 This is the second time I've heard of a "bread and butter sandwich", and the first was in a Peanuts cartoon from the fifties.
I come back to this video fairly frequently, and something that really stuck with me this time is the point about food prep being completely ignored in how certain people talk about healthy eating. I'm sure food prep seems easy and not like a big deal if you have a prep cook who comes in every morning and chops all your vegetables and cleans all your meat for you. I'm sure the amount of dishes it creates doesn't matter to you when you have a minimum wage worker washing all your dishes for you. A professional chef doesn't have to worry about that, it's the work that poor people do, and obviously if they're poor, it must not be difficult.
Also I seriously have to question how cheap they think the ingredients actually are for a normal person
No one can cook that often when they are working class because stories surprise they are exhausted from working all day
Fresh shit has this thing where it goes off a lot faster than the processed stuff so it’s a lot easier to bulk by processed shit when it’s on sale than it is to buy an onion every week because of this one recipe you have time to make
I mean, honestly that doesn't seem that bad compared to *PUTTING FUCKING WATER IN THE PAN IN THE MIDDLE OF FRYING*
WHY?
WHO TOLD HIM THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA?
Has he /eaten/ fried rice before?
like, Chilli jam is probably fine. Alot of fried rice calls for Sugar, and something hot.
i feel really strongly about the food prep energy thing too as a neurodivergent person. like, if trying to organise your thoughts, concentrate hard, make decisions, etc. is difficult for you then cooking is a nightmare. the same's true for physical disabilities too - if you can't spend a lot of time standing up, if you don't have manual dexterity, if you have chronic fatigue or pain, cooking 'properly' becomes incredibly hard. and then the unhealthy food you're forced to rely on can make ur health worse, but people blame you! because in their minds, you chose to eat crap and you don't deserve to be 'enabled'.
this was a bit of a tangent, sorry for the length
@@willonastring Salad's easy. Shred some lettuce, smash some of those little tomatoes, mix the lot. Also soup. Boil veg and/or meat in water and seasoning.
Also food processors ($500 behemoths, yes, but also like $30 compact choppers) and things exist. From a point of dexterity, nobody's "forced" to rely on the unhealthy food given modern tools and the ease of salad and soup. ...Decisions and thought organization can be a problem. Sometimes I'll decide on a meal several days in advance just to have it sorted.
I watched that show when it came out and a couple things stuck out to me:
1) when he made a meal with foods that would have been unfamiliar and unappetizing to most kids and then let the kids choose between that and like, pizza, and then acted baffled that the kids chose the pizza. He could have made healthier pizza, but instead he set them up for "failure".
2) he had one family who was used to frozen food and deep-frying everything stock up on a TON (fridge overflowing) of raw vegetables and then got mad when he came back and they hadn't cooked all of them. Again setting them up for failure; I love cooking with fresh vegetables but it can be a challenge for anyone to cook that much from scratch especially if they're not used to it.
He's just a massive classist. He expects tired and struggling parents in a cramped as fuck kitchen with cheap & old appliances in a rented house/flat to dedicate MULTIPLE HOURS PER MEAL with prep, cooking and cleaning, on top of raising their kids.
But he handed all of his kids off to a Nanny and has an expensive, large and well-stocked modern kitchen in a multi-million pound house that would legitimately classify as a Mansion if it were in America. He cooks as a recreational activity and a job, not just to fucking survive and satisfy children that have no choice but to have their interests and likes tailored to them by Children's entertainment which spends most of the time being actual advertisements for products.
Why do kids prefer things like Pizza, Spaghetti Bolognese and Nuggets over things like Cauliflower cheese, Rocket/Arugula salad and Pesto Pasta? Because they've spent their formative years being advertised directly to by fast food companies & supermarket chains offering deals on cheap & quick meals in between ads for Toys and Games designed to make them consume and spend and prop up the capitalist market every second of the day and associate their value and self-worth to the products they buy and own.
Just like Jamie Oliver, desperately trying to make out that he's wealthy and a self-made millionaire and is special by buying premium cookware and ingredients to look posh and from Rich & Upper Class heritage, when really he's just an exploitative manipulator with a crippling hatred for his Working Class upbringing, and a blind ignorance of his sheer luck with his "success" in his "career" as a "chef" by being a poster boy and mouthpiece for multiple successive governments and business-backed ventures into demonising the poor and pushing more expensive alternatives.
This remainds me how in México, Cow Tongue it's an expensive dish only eaten in special ocations, but around 40 to 60 years ago, it was dirt chip because "who wants to eat cow Tongue? It's dirty". It's all about framing, "dirty parts" of an animal is a myth that only wastes food
Lengua is one of my favorite taco toppings. It's like the most tender steak ever. Cabeza (various meat from the cow's head) is also delicious.
yeah ribs was also like poor people food cause the posh people didnt want to have to scrape the small meat bits of the bones
Unfortunately you can say the same thing about a lot of American cuisine. Lobster is essentially a giant bottom feeding bug from the ocean floor yet it practically defines our idea of an extravagant dining experience today.
It was the same with lobsters and oysters. Used to be dirt-cheap, "poor person" food. Now they're considered fancy and high-end.
Daniel nadie odia a los tacos de lengua xP
It's kinda funny that he basically sees exclusively eating the prime cuts as the natural state of things.
Reminds me how bears will eat the fat out of a salmon and discard the meat
@@LimeyLassen a well-fed bear may. A hungry one, on the other hand…
I mean, we could just feed the less desirable bits of the cows to the other cows. That couldn't possibly go wrong, could it?
@@JordonBeal it actually doesn’t depend on the bear’s hunger level but rather how many salmon are in the water. A hungry bear in salmon run season just eats that many more key areas of the fish and discards that many more of the rest for other critters in the ecosystem to eat. A bear outwith that season acts quite differently.
@@LimeyLassen Thing is, in that case, it's really good for the environment as a whole. The fish is left behind, but it's eaten by decomposers and eventually makes its way back into the ground and into trees and just..basically spreads all around.
I think human food waste has as much of that because it's generally mixed in with other, more toxic garbage at the dump, that isn't easily consumed by decomposers, bottom feeders are generally kept away from it as pests, and like...y'know, more garbage means more garbage trucks running to transport it as a whole.
I'm Polish.
To question of what to do with the carcass I see only one answer:
"Make goddamn chicken soup!"
Everyone loves chicken soup.
Chicken soup is great! And it's customisable too, as befitting what you'd like.
I'm a grown man and sitting there watching Jamie make chicken nuggets and he's like "Raise your hand if you want to eat that" I'm raising my hand with those kids. Yeah, pre cooked meat looks gross, Jamie. I don't know about you but the chicken breasts he was showing off as prime meat looked gross to me. He wants to just throw that carcass in the trash? I see that carcass and I see three options. The first is make his "gross" nuggets, which I consider a comfort food anyway, the second is to boil it to make chicken stock, or at the very least chuck it in the oven for like 30 minutes, let it cool, and then give it to my dog. We need to be efficient here, Jamie. You shouldn't be wasteful with the meat that chicken gave it's life to produce
minor nitpick from a veterinary standpoint from a family that didn't know better - chicken/other bird bones are *really* not good for your pets. not because of nutrition or anything but because especially after cooking they can easily shatter due to weakening of their already delicate internal structure (as opposed to pig or cow or other non-avian animals which are much more solid and stable since, yanno, those animals don't have to specialize ultralight in order to fly) and can cause pretty expensive vet bills from choking... or worse. 😬 it only takes the one unlucky time to end up with a 2k vet bill to sew Maxie's insides back up, so much better to freeze it for the next time you make stock, imo, or bury it in the garden for the bugs and plants to suck up the leftovers. just be mindful of scavengers if you do the latter and don't want it dug right back up.
(you can definitely babysit a small dog or cat to take the carcass after they've stripped the meat, but I know my own pets are gremlins that would tear it apart in a blink and I don't suggest it for others that can't guarantee some bones go down the hatch.)
chicken bones are real splintery. just saying.
Honestly, I like that nuggets mean less waste. I'm just bothered by how easy it is for companies to add bad stuff (preservatives, msg, ect) to heavily processed food like that.
@@kaylahouvenagle3866 I get what you're saying and I agree but I just want to point out that MSG isn't really bad for you unless you have a sensitivity to it. The excessive amounts of sodium and fat in frozen and otherwise processed foods is the real kicker.
@@kaylahouvenagle3866 as the comenter Above mentioned msg being bad is usually missinformation (word of mouth or old studies), or actually just racism agains the Chinese.
Unless you're physically sensitive towards msg a consumption of even over 1.5 Kg of msg in a day would still be considered safe if you weight 60+kg.
And if you're on the under 1% who are sensitive you would still need 3g of it by itself to cause mild symptoms, and most portions of dishes only have around 0.5g mixed with in the food.
Sodium yeah that's horrible, it's hard to get 2 dishes a day without going over sugar or sodium intakes.
"who would still eat this?"
'all the children know they're supposed to say no from context clues'
'the one kid in the middle that just really likes chicken nuggets raises hand'
'Jamie's grip on the children is lost as they all begin to raise their hands'
The kid in the middle went “I mean we all know the actual answer…”
@@DeathnoteBB "we can be honest, or lie to an adult."
Notice a few of the kids look in his direction before raising their own hands. The two kids to his immediate left are the most obvious.
@@MarceloVeronezzi It's got nothing to do with 'healthy vs unhealthy'. Jamie Oliver incorrectly tries to imply that using all of the 'gross' bits makes chicken nuggets unhealthy - this is just factually untrue. ANY piece of chicken deep fried isn't exactly going to be healthy, whether that's grinded chicken breast or grinded chicken 'bits'.
Using the entire chicken is economically and environmentally better, and it's an extremely modern and privileged view to suggest that only the 'aesthetic' pieces of chicken should be used and the rest should just be thrown away. How absolutely wasteful that is.
As to whether chicken nuggets are good for you or not, well they're fine in moderation as part of a balanced diet and healthy lifestyle. Usain Bolt basically ate nothing but McNuggets (100 a day) in Beijing and won multiple gold medals.
Then there's the final point of the elitism and snobbishness. It's very easy to say "well just eat healthy". Poorer people eat more chicken nuggets because they're cheap and they taste nice, often being one of the few sources of pleasure they might be able to enjoy in a day where they are otherwise working 16 hour days for minimum wage. It's irritating to be told by a wealthy man who has the money, time and experience to cook healthy meals condescendingly talk down to the poor 'ignorant' working class folk who are usually just tired and want a cheap way to put food on the table.
I remember Jamie Oliver once tweeting something like "Fine, I guess only middle-class people care about their childrens' health!" and I wanted to reach over the internet, grab him by the lapels and yell "This is why no-one listens to you!" No-one ever pays attention to someone who condescends to them, and Jamie talks about and to poor people like a priest who's convinced his flock will stray if he looks away for even a moment.
Of course, he's not really talking _to_ poor people. He's talking to rich people who want their ideas about poor people validated, rich people who want to feel morally superior to the poor.
(And for people who don't know, the English "middle class" is closer to what Americans might call the "upper-middle class". Same terms for the class system, different history.)
@@timothymclean you mean the historical merchant class?
"'When you get trapped in the disadvantaged cycle, the concept of middle-class logic doesn't work,' he told The Times. 'What you see is parents who aren't even thinking about five fruit and veg a day, they're thinking about enough food for the day.'
The chef also berated the idea that poorer people lack willpower, which could lead to them becoming obese, instead suggesting low income families opt for potentially unhealthier food which will be cheaper than healthy alternatives.
'Willpower is a very unique, personal thing... We can't judge our equivalent of logic on theirs because they're in a different gear, almost in a different country."
Really doesn't sound like that at all to me
@@Nefariousbig is that what the OP is referring to? I guess one tweet-length excerpt from that taken out of context could be interpreted that way
@@Nefariousbig Jamie said all that? I guess that makes it worse. He knows those ideas are wrong, yet he still makes bank on an audience that likes having them reinforced. He knows he's lying, or at least misleading people.
Of course it'd be possible that he changed for the better. I'd hope it's the latter.
I'm a food snob. 99% of all hot meals I eat are home cooked, mostly from scratch. But, I would never expect anyone to do the same. If you invite me for dinner I eat what you serve, home cooked or pre-packaged, and I will praise and thank you. Unless it's kale, then we have a problem.
we all have our preferences lol. But the important thing I found is acknowledging the great effort gone into serving you. Most are just happy to have a second serving for themselves.
Why the kale hate? Sure, eating kale for the sake of appearing healthy is dumb but Kale is delicious, way tastier than lettuce
@@NatalleeKEveryone has a food that they simply refuse to eat for whatever reason. It could be that OP just doesn't like the taste or texture of kale for some reason
@@sev1120 Sister refuses to eat anything once she learns it has onions in it, even if completely processed down as to be imperceptible. Myself and a friend fucking hate bell peppers. Then I moved out west and found out they put those disgusting abominations in everything.
@@NatalleeK I really enjoy kale in soup
My hypothesis: Jamie Oliver doesn't hate ready-made nuggets. He hates that he loves them.
One aspect of this that I think is missed about Jamie Oliver if you're not from the UK: He himself is from very humble beginnings. He used to sell produce on a market stall, with that loud "lower class" accent. I think for a lot of us born into poverty in the UK, there's this idea sold to us that in order to better ourselves, we must rid ourselves of our shameful poor people things. Maybe he feels shame any time he sneaks a nugget, and so took to threatening children and adults the world over with a nuggetless future to rid himself of this shame.
Still can't forgive him for ruining turkey twizzlers.
I remember hearing that Jamie was picked out of a kitchen he barely had experience in because a TV exec thought he was telegenic.
One of the schools featured in the first season was in my home town, Peterlee, picked because it was "the most unhealthy place in the UK". It aired during a time when 'poverty porn' TV was incredibly popular. People loved sneering at poor people, but Oliver rose to the top of this pile because he gave viewers the comforting illusion of an altruistic crusade. I ate a lot of processed food as a kid because my parents lacked money AND time. Wealthier people in England literally cannot conceive of a childhood without a maid and cleaner. It just doesn't occur to them that people live like that.
Poverty porn is *still* popular, or at least over here in the States, we have an entire channel, TLC, that has a reputation as a freak show
@@justineberlein5916 It's still huge in the UK too. Classism is still one of our biggest problems here, that tends to outweigh most other 'isms'. With Tories constantly winning elections, the whole 'blame the poor' is still a constant thing, and has poor turning against poor rather than looking up at the real problems. Usual distraction tactics by the rich. Much of our reality TV is still focused on poverty and welfare, and very often framed to make anyone in lower brackets look stupid or lazy, without ever bothering to address the whys.
It really does seem like he has no idea what it's like to be poor. I think about it like this; my family used to live on $1 chicken sandwiches from Dollar General and occasionally some other cheap stuff we could afford if we wanted to mix things up. They tasted good, but we did not CHOOSE to eat this day in and day out because we wanted to. Contrast this with my friend, whose family is at the very least upper-middle class for the area they live, making comfortably more than 100k a year and living in rural Missouri, a state with a median household income of 57k. I was at his house recently and his dad made us gyros with lamb, something I'd never even tried before. This shit was some of the best food I've ever tasted, and I'd love to have it more, but that's just not possible for some people. My family not only couldn't afford to make "real" food like that, we were living in a trailer that did not even have an oven nor a stove. Eating like shit was not a choice we made, it was either that or we all starve to death. I'm not saying this to diss my friend or his family; they all worked their asses off to be where they are and I'm glad that he never had to struggle like my family has, and he's a great friend with a bright future ahead of him. It can be hard, though, to see what it's like for people on the bottom from the outside looking in. It's the same philosophy as telling homeless people to get a job. You can't even work at McDonald's, widely believed to be the lowest of the low in terms of employment, without proof of residence. Source: I've worked there.
I live in America, and trust me: the notion that "poor people are poor because they're stupid, uneducated, and intentionally make bad choices" and not...the litany of actual reasons poor people are poor is still incredibly popular here too. Ironically, mostly among poor people thinking about poorER people.
"And you're not coming home and heating up $2.00 worth of mechanically reclaimed chicken strips because everything else in your life is going great." I feel like laughing and crying.
I try hard to make the effort to cook every night, and even with my partner backing me up we still often fail to motivate each other to deal with prep. Sometimes you're just fucking tired, and slapping dem tendies in the oven does the job. I'm in a good position now, but for most of my adult life up until very very recently the idea of having to deal with _more work_ just to eat and exist was just the shit icing on a depression pie. And of course you don't feel great about it, and then you have Jamie Fucking Oliver coming in and telling you that you're not doing a good enough job. Like, *I know*, dude. I know.
@@hollandscottthomas I got really good at low-effort food that was decently healthy back in college. A big part of the trick, was realizing that a lot of what's normally or culturally considered tasty is also pretty high-effort _and also_ not very healthy. (Extraneous calories, salt, fat, etc are all the base of sauces and fried foods.) It's pretty easy to pick out a half dozen spices that you can mix and match on food to keep it interesting every day, and without gaining weight! :)
@@hollandscottthomas This. My partner and I both work stressful well paid jobs, and the motivation is not there to spend an hour cooking. So weekdays it's often Potato waffles, cauliflower hash browns and fish fingers (fish sticks) heat oven to 180C. It all sits on one baking tray. 15 minutes. done. 1 tray to wash and plates and cutlery in the dishwasher.
We are lucky that if we want a nice meal we could go to a nice restaurant and pay people who have all the skills and equipment to make a nice meal. Well before the pandemic. But poorer people work longer hours and can't afford a restaurant. It sucks.
@@AileTheAlien You sound like an idiot, but you almost said something I could agree with. These people should have no excuse for not boiling foods. It is often lenient and does not take any real effort unless you have to peel or something. And there are a lot of popular things like doughnuts, pop-tarts, pasta, et cetera, that are a waste of effort if you tried to do them without a factory. But that highlights a key point - your tools affect things big time. And one thing I found to be really great is a pot you can plug in. The one I use is called Presto. I can negate using an oven which will often have four heating units on the stove top and there is no clean up on those burners. It is 100 times better and it cooks faster than the stovetop and costs $30. You could literally sell your oven for tools like that, not to mention they cost less than most of the pots and pans you could buy while doing a much better job. One thing I might not recommend is overly specialized tools like a waffle iron. My experience with a waffle iron has always been very bad and I recommend you use a mould instead. And people who eat low calorie are probably lazy or start falling behind big time in their work. Food is supposed to be for energy and health and avoiding major nutrients made to help use vitamins and minerals is not a healthy way to live. Weight loss is generally a waste of time and a very vanity focused way of living. If people do not accept how you can best live, then you have to find new ways of living or admit that you are not concerned with practicality which most of the people in this comment section are talking about.
@@sigurdtheblue You can pretty much ignore everything this guy says after the but. Says enough about him.
Even assuming his healthy/unhealthy dichotomy holds true (which it doesn't), why does he focus on making "unhealthy" food inaccessible and not on making "healthy" food accessible?
rich people don't think access is ever truly limited, is the thing. in their minds poor people are only poor because they're too stupid not to spend their money better, and not because necessities could ever be outside someone's price range.
compare it to the completely unhinged mindset of 'well, if you're so poor then maybe you should've bought a fridge instead of a smartphone and a $5 coffee', where the only reason they can come up with for why someone might not be able to store food longterm is just being too materalistic and stupid to put down instagram long enough to get one and not, say, an inconsistent housing situation or having their electricity shut off.
As a vegetarian, I appreciate chicken nuggets because they're one of few things where the plant based version is almost identical to the taste & texture of the animal version.
I…I don’t know if that’s praise for vegetarian food science or shade toward frozen nugs.
@@turkicnomad5632 A bit of both, honestly 😂
I’m not a vegetarian but I consistently buy vegetarian chicken nuggets because I honestly think they’re better (if a little more expensive). I tried switching back to regular chicken nuggets a little bit back and they were fine but the texture was a bit too… spongy for my liking, I vastly prefer the texture of the vegetarian ones and the taste is on par.
This is a very long response to a 4 month old comment but I’m very passionate about the relative quality of frozen chicken nugget types
I would say Beyond Burgers are pretty close to the best burgers i've had too.
God yeah morningstar nugs are so good though
Something I'm noticing now after a couple rewatches of this video is Oliver's weird, like.... Anger, at the children themselves, when they bring up that they'd still eat the chicken nuggets, and more specifically with the comment of "I'll show them what's in their fucking nuggets." I don't know if it's just me, but that comment and Jamie's overall attitude came off as weirdly outright vengeful at children effectively just being children
He doesn't really hate children. Just the lower classes.
I noticed that too. It’s like he encountered one picky 5 year old in Vietnam and that encounter has scared his heart with a thirst for vengeance ever since.
A charitable interpretation would be that he's not angry at the kids themselves, but at the system that has made them content with "bad" food. Idk.
@@volbla So being poor?
@@SuperMario. Yeah, i guess. It would be pretty great if there was no poverty. But it's not like getting kids off the nugs is gonna accomplish that.
That clip has always bothered me. Jamie's shocked that the kids are still happy to eat chicken nuggets, when he's given absolutely no reason for them not to. They, along with the audience, are expected to just take it for granted that this food is bad because it looks gross. I mean, grow up.
I love how all those literal children are less childish than Jamie
Yeah it bothered me too. Also, what else is he suggesting we do with that leftover meat after we've cut off the fillets etc. Just throw it away? Like, at least nuggets use all of the meat on a chicken. I have absolutely no issue with eating all of an animal, I've tried almost every part, there are just some I don't like because of taste or texture, but not because I think a particular part is gross or anything. His framing of thighs and filets as good and the rest as bad for... reasons I guess, encourages food waste.
Exactly. You know what else looks gross before it's cooked, especially if you're a kid who might not have helped your parents with cooking very much? THE REST OF THE CHICKEN. Uncooked chicken wings, uncooked chicken breast, uncooked chicken legs? All look just as gross as an uncooked chicken carcass. There's no reason to think "it looks gross now, so therefore it will taste gross later" is a reasonable conclusion.
@@juliegolick yeah, he thinks a raw chicken thigh looks more delicious purely out of association from knowing the end. While he doesn’t like chicken nuggets. So he sees the raw food without the context. Just like people who don’t eat meat at all basically never enjoy looking at raw meat.
At the very least he should make a stock out of it, which being a chef he should know is common practice
You just know Jamie wouldn't have to be asked twice if he wanted "Carnard a la presse", yet that is a dish made from blood and bone marrow extracted from duck bones by crushing the carcass in a press.
Beside the skin and the way *some* chicken meat is stripped from the skeleton, is it really that much different beside class and general quality?
I'm asian
What kind of insane travesty you white do that you threw away the skin from chicken meat?
That is the tastiest part when fried or deep fried
Its even sold as dry fried as snack in east asia
I bet he hasn't decided sausage is inedible.
Honestly, the classism argument was one that never occurred to me but it's blown my mind to some degree.
I was in primary school in the UK (about ages 5-11) when Jamie Oliver first started kicking off his fuss and I remember lunches going from something that was... unhealthy but very good tasting, to something that was really terrible to eat and nobody wanted it; by the end of Year 6 for me, it was incredibly common to only have packed lunches and in secondary school, at-school dinners were solely for those too poor to bring a packed lunch, who were on meal assistance with the council.
That's the legacy of Michelle Obama's school lunch program here in the States.
wow reading that brought back memories of school dinners over the years and I must be in the similar age range and you're so right about that.
A lot of the time my sons school dinners are sort of thing I know I could persuade him to eat at home, like a casserole or curry, but at school he leaves because he’d see a bit of vegetable he didn’t recognise and then would feel intimidated by the whole plate.
Most children eventually eat anything if they’re hungry enough, but the 4 hours since breakfast isn’t enough for this, so they’ll come home from school hungry and grumpy and likely without having learnt anything the entire afternoon.
Thankfully, a jacket potato with baked beans is within the gov nutrition requirements for a school meal, and almost all children will be happy eating one, so the school always offers baked bean jackets for the kids who would be intimidated by whatever the regular option is. One autistic boy in my sons class has them ~4 times a week, apparently.
I’m glad school lunches are healthier than they used to be. But it would be good if there were safer options available everywhere. I’d rather my son ate pizza at lunch than nothing at all because he didn’t know what his lunch had in it.
I’m surprised they can eat bean on bs hey potato
Person autistic and the texture of beans is so vile u can’t eat them
If you recognise that it was unhealthy, the idea behind the change wasn't wrong, was it? Unless you think schools feeding children unhealthy stuff is ok. I'm not trying to defend Jamie Oliver, I'm just saying that the rationale was good, but could have been applied better.
Food is the perfect example of the concept "being poor is expensive."
“He earned thirty-eight dollars a month plus allowances. A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. Those were the kind of boots Vimes always bought, and wore until the soles were so thin that he could tell where he was in Ankh-Morpork on a foggy night by the feel of the cobbles.
But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that’d still be keeping his feet dry in ten years’ time, while the poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet.”
-Terry Pratchett
@@RozWBrazel People who have never been poor a day in their life will tell you to "save up" for the better boots.
@@zkistler probably because that's exactly what you should do. Perhaps you shouldn't ignore the advice of people who are better at handling money than you.
@@xjunkxyrdxdog89 because people are only ever poor because they have bad with money. No others reasons exist.
@@xjunkxyrdxdog89 You obviously have never been poor a day in your life. If you need boots to work, then you have to buy boots. If you had the extra money you would probably buy the better ones, but you don't because you have necessary expenses that take up the rest of your money.
"I'm a cook, Dan. I like to insult little chicken nuggets like these because they remind me of food cooked by the crack w***e - my birth mother. I'm sure you can guess why." He says it in a rush as if he's had the sentence in his head for days and days and is desperate to be rid of it.
Underrated comment
CHarlie TaNgo = CHicken TeNdies
OMG HAHAHA I JUST SAW THAT VIDEO BEFORE THIS ONE 🤣🤣🤣🤣 you win, you made my day
Dammit, can't recognize the reference there
@@kostajovanovic3711 that's the fifty shades of Grey video! It was a current gag he used during the entirety of the trilogy
What Dan fails to tell you though; Jamie was once mugged. And that mugger.. was a nugget. Yeah, feel pretty lousy now knowing that, don't ya? Don't feel like eating nuggets now, do ya? SAD.
His father went to the store to buy nuggets but never came home.
A nugget killed his grandma
He was bullied by a nugget in school.
Or, maybe, he had a bad experience with Steve Davis (the snooker player).
That freakin' horror stinger as the children raise their hands gets me cracking up every dang time.
And then the innocent children consumed... CHICKEN NUGGETS!!!
What an utter classicist tool. Can't believe I used to actually semi-respect 'The Naked Chef.'
As an aside, can I just say that this whole thing is one of the major reasons I had SUPREME RESPECT for Anthony Bourdain? The man would eat WaHo or a New York street cart hot dog with the same relish and appreciation that he would while eating at The French Laundry. He had a respect and appreciation for the craft but also understood that, at the end of the day, good food is just good food.
Gordon Ramsay too honestly. Guy's dedicated enough to go and learn from people who knew better about their food and culture than he is. And he accepts when he's wrong about how he made them.
Kenji
@@TheOneTrueAnthemis Kenji nah. Fucking racist
Question from curiosity what is a WaHo? Thank you. ^^
@@mokyungsung3953 Waffle House. It's a chain of diners in the southeastern united states. Very cheap, very simple food available at all hours of the day and night.
It’s hard to get across the waves that Jamie Oliver’s School Dinners made in the UK. It completely dominated popular discourse to the extent that all Brits watching this video that were alive at the time will have a visceral response to it. This was in a period where most people in the UK only had 4 channels so a programme like this had the potential to create conversations in a way that seems less likely now.
I don’t know about Chicken Nuggets but Turkey Twizzlers we’re outright banned from schools and school dinners are unrecognisable these days: there’s generally more choice, it’s healthier but I would wager it’s more expensive. It’s no overstatement to say that this was as a direct result of Jamie Oliver’s campaigns. I remember them taking out all the vending machines from our school.
As someone else has commented, it’s a fascinating example of how an era in which we were told to believe that “we’re all middle class now” was dominated by some of the most barbed and viscous classist representations (see, for another example, Vicky Pollard from Little Britain).
Vegan Nugs pls
Sir, I will raise a turkey twizzler in symbolic defiance against Oliver any chance I get. Love your content, need to catch up on the newer stuff.
I remember in my school they essentially removed food that looked and tasted good and replaced it with more boring, less popular food that was equally as cheap unhealthy but it superficially seemed healthier. A good introduction to the adult world of ruining things with bullshit.
It became a joke in British media at that time it was crazy. It even became a joke in skins. The impact on culture was insane.
You have a lot of good video's
But your video about ' White Privilege'' is just plain wrong
"I would not pipe tepid meat goo into my mouth."
Rewatching this a year later and I've just realized I do this almost every week. Negitoro is a pretty common main ingredient for sushi rolls, and it's literally the ground up bits of raw tuna not otherwise used for nigiri and sashimi cuts, lightly flavored with a bit of green onion.
Bet you Jamie doesn’t consider that dirty because if used for a respectable food like sushi
I have family in WV, and while I grew up elsewhere, I attended Marshall University in Huntington WV *right* after Oliver's "White Saviour" episode. The city's atmosphere was... Dark amusement, and full of Appalachia's classically nihilist humour. If memory serves, a few local restaurants actually started offering a "Jamie Oliver" special, which was always chicken and/or something he'd call unhealthy (e.g., 3 pieces deep fried dark meat chicken [no substitution to chicken breasts allowed] and a pie whose crust was made with lard).
As a side note, not only is life there financially hard - Huntington is a dead end with zero chance for advancement, and everyone there knows that - anyone at Marshall who knew farmers would rant how Oliver discarding half of an animal who died for his nutrition was just... *cruel* .
Jamie Oliver: Carcasses, skin and organ meats are gross
Also Jamie Oliver: Look at this lovely jubbly crispy chicken skin. Right, let's roast these bones for stock then get back to our chicken liver pate.
Helth
you don't eat the bone in the stock though. Agreed on the skin.
@@MadsterV Maybe you should. Bone is a fantastic source of nutrition.
@@Proletariat12 bone is just calcium. You might be thinking marrow.
This element is baffling to me. As someone who has never eaten meat, that whole clip of him preparing the pink goo looked just as gross and disgusting as every other kind of meat preparation. Like, to me raw and cooked chicken both look and smell really nasty, but from what I hear the taste seems to negate those qualities. I don't know why he imagines the chicken nuggets are somehow objectively more unpleasant than any other chicken product.
I still remember Jamie saying on School Dinners how you need to grow you own herbs "and not waste your money buying the shit they sell in supermarkets". Not 30 seconds later it cuts to an ad break and there's Jamie again advertising Waitrose talking about how fresh their herbs are 😂
Sure, Jamie - let's pretend everyone wants to wait for their own herbs to grow instead of just going to the supermarket and getting them whenever they need to.
@@iantkach6640 to be fair you get the plants going and they just happily grow, herbs are incredibly easy to keep healthy and grow fast.
@@iantkach6640 or that everyone has the space and time to do it. Goes back to the point of class issues.
@@nilus2k Bruh this isn't a good example of classism, literally all you need is a pot and a windowsill, a whole herb garden? that's a bit different, but ever since I was a kid my (lower class) family would save the roots of every chive we ever bought so we could get some use out of the stalks that would grow just by sticking it in a glass of water and putting it in the window.
Using herbs is classist now. Even when they come pre-grown and all you need is to water them (So time wasting! And how dare you assume that I have running water).
I can say I’m against the commodification/vilification of certain foodstuffs but if being an online leftist means “McDs is for the proles actually” I fear we have taken a detour.
An aspect of nuggets/convenience foods that is rarely brought up is that they offer access to a consistent experience for those unable to cook anything more elaborate, or those with sensory issues that make eating a more diverse diet a tricky proposition. I'm grateful that I'm not weirded out by as many foods as some of my neurodivergent peers. It makes it easier for me to eat what's available in a variety of situations. That's simply not the case for a lot of people. It's not merely a matter of having a fussy palate, but that it is a sensory nightmare for some to deal with certain textures and/or flavors. Begrudging someone the opportunity to have a consistent eating experience is ridiculous. What they put into their mouths is their business alone.
So, his argument is both classist and ableist.
The entire reason I like highly-processed frozen food is how much easier it makes it to feed myself on days when I'm not my best. Some days the issue is energy, and even the mental planning of cooking something is exhausting. But other days, almost all foods seem revolting, but a homogenous chicken nugget or "crab cake" or bean burrito is usually manageable (and more nutritious than, like, toast...). Frozen stuff solves both problems - it just goes in the toaster oven on it's own for half an hour with very little cleanup, AND it's not gonna stress me out to physically consume it. I sort of have a feeling though that Jamie Oliver wouldn't agree that it's better that I eat mechanically reclaimed meat goo than nothing at all lmao
Plus not everyone has the ability to prepare much more. Sensory issues and a physical disability are the main reasons I stick with frozen food. If I didn't have access to easy to prepare highly consistent frozen meals I simply wouldn't have access to food most days
Very quirky
And a year later, in the middle of a massive CoL crisis all over the world, this video has become even more relevant. I actually discussed this with one of my parents this week - we're all in the position where we can still afford fresh veg and fruits without having to worry about the cost - even if the amount of food you get for, say, 50 bucks has about halved in half a year -, but for many people that plain isn't the case anymore, if it ever was.
If your unemployment assistance per month is 500 bucks or your minimum wage job has a take-home pay of maybe 700 while your energy/gas bill is over 200 (if you're lucky) and a kg of apples costs 4, while processed up the ass applesauce is 69 cents per pound... yeah, if you want something apple-y, that's where you'll have to go. Same with the nuggets - a kg of chicken breast meat is 11-12 bucks now, while a box with a pound of nugs is 3-4 bucks.
In the past, you could still go to the butcher's and buy bones, gristle and maybe some organ meat for very cheap or ask for discarded bread bits at the baker's, but in a world where butcheries and bakeries have basically vanished in favour of supermarkets and the few remaining shops are chains that don't do their own work anymore and thus don't have such stuff on offer, there's not really many ways to get cheap calories without resorting to ultra-processed food.
If food choices aren't a choice, but picking the cheapest option is a necessity... then it's not a choice anymore, now is it.
Well the rich are always ready for the table
They provide a lot more worth as calories than hoarders anyway
@@jmurray1110and they've got enough fat and muscle on them to satisfy whatever taste or texture you like, and can be cooked however!
@@sev1120an awfully large amount of Cocaine and Cognac in their veins though, they'll have to be properly bled and dried out to remove the bulk of it
Babe wake up new idea just folded
I remember watching that episode with the children in WV as a kid. There was another segment in there (can't remember if it was the same episode or a different one), where Jamie went to a hole-in-the-wall burger place, "remade" their hamburgers using higher quality meat and fresher ingredients, and then handed both the original and his new burger to one of their regulars to try. The guy said that Jamie's burger absolutely tasted better, but that he would still choose the original, lower quality hamburger because Jamie's would've been about twice as expensive. And if I remember right, the episode framed this as him choosing his money over his health, ignoring the fact that that guy might as well have been living paycheck to paycheck, and chose the cheaper burger because that's all he could afford.
Thanks for explaining that. I have never been able to tolerate Jamie Oliver for an entire show and would never see that.
"choosing money over health" lmao. Look Jamie, if I can buy twice as much food, that's more likely to keep me alive longer. Because it means I can eat enough of it to stay alive and not half-starve myself, which is a problem I already have because I sometimes just... forget to eat.
And you know, ITS STILL A BURGER JAMIE JUST BECAUSE ITS MADE OF "BETTER" INGREDIENTS DOESN'T MEAN ITS MAGICALLY GOOD FOR YOU
Like the nugget replacement drove me crazy ITS STILL DEEP FRIED BREAD
So during my military training we'd basically get 5,20€ a day (it's conscription, the state basically pays your rent or equivalent and makes it so you can return to your job/school after, then provides meals, clothing, and medical care during your service (including glasses). You don't get a lot of money, but you also won't be needing much, and your career can't be shafted)
Local pizza places had deals for servicemen, pizza or kebab roll for 5€, technically you could treat yourself daily and still be in the green. Now, the size wasn't huge (still pretty good) and the ingredients were fairly cheap. There's a chain that makes higher quality pizzas, bigger, better tasting too, but they cost some 12€ a piece, and don't have a no-delivery-fee deal for huge orders from a collective making a single order.
Deadass no incentive to pick the higher quality stuff, I could get a pizza and a kebab roll and a drink at the other places for what I'd pay there for a single pizza. Give me those cheap calories any day, we're burning 3000+ daily anyways
For the second episode mentioned, Appalachian culture probably has a lot of cuisine that Jamie Oliver wouldn't even consider food.
regardless of anything else, i don't know how anyone could watch the clip at 1:14 and see any emotion being conveyed other than deep, clawing insecurity.
It's crazy coming from a post-Soviet country and seeing how normal things absolutely everyone does (homemade stock, canning your own goods, using all the cuts either in soup or for pets or whatever, "lesser" cereals like buckwheat, foraging for mushrooms and berries) were at first viewed in the West as a thing that poors do, and now it's healthy and mindful of the environment and as a result... poor people can't afford that anymore
Yesss, as someone from post Soviet block country, I second this comment so much
@@lazynoodle6739 But like, what happened do you no longer have time for it?
Has the equipment become more expensive?
@@wkuiper another one from post-soviet country here. Well, if more people are doing the foraging (often harming the environment in the process, so you can kiss these mushrooms goodbye), then there is less stuff for the ones that really need it. Then the prices go higher and higher, and suddenly it's a luxury h e a l t h y option for all those richer people.
We had hunger (like real hunger, no food in stores hunger) in the late 20th century, so the traditions of getting some piece of land and starting a vegetable patch, a fruit garden, berries and whatnot is still going strong even now. There are quite a lot of people who live in big cities, but tend their small piece of land and live mostly on what they had grown and canned and prepared. It is rather incomprehensible to me that chicken nuggets are considered to be "poor people" food, when for me at one time anything pre-made and store-bought feels like a luxury.
Poor people can still afford it though. The methods/equipment they use are still fairly cheap, it's just that companies have come in and expanded/"upgraded" the options. But those original options never really went away, specifically because theres still a market for it. I don't know a whole lot about canning food, but my father grew up on a farm and subsequently a lot of his family cans stuff. I'm positive his mother at least didn't have any fancy canning equipment, and she was doing it up until maybe ten years ago? My father was trying to get into it again too and unless I'm completely misremembering all he needed was some kind of powder and mason jars. And stuff like using all the parts of food...most of the parts you might give a pet, in America, are cut off and sold seperately. The only thing I can think of ever being able to give our dogs is the ham bones or turkey gizzards. The fat off of steak or something maybe, but I'm struggling to think of anything else. Although the only way this is detrimental to you as a consumer is if you're dog is on a raw diet, and putting your dog on a raw diet is sort of a luxury so...
Another thing to take into account is the time and energy involved, and the fact people lose interest in things they don't have to/like to do. Take for example baking your own bread. I know there was a big boom of interest in that, but it quickly petered off because the people who bought all those expensive products quickly realized _how much goddamn work and time and energy and know how that takes_ and went back to buying bread at the store. So that whole upscale market evaporated, but the essentials to make bread are still available to those who need it.
Now, if we're talking about quality of life/availability of opportunities for people who have to do this stuff (in the sense they have no time to look for/use those opportunities), that's a whole separate issue.
@@wkuiper It also has a lot to do with the underlying economic system and the causes of poverty. In systems where the problem is a lack of work/surplus of labor, you have not a lot of resources but plenty of time to kill. That sort of situation leads to a lot of labor intensive home economics where people save scraps, repurpose things, make their own and come up with tricks to make a little last a long time.
In other economic systems though you get the opposite problem where there is lots of work to be had but the pay sucks, the hours suck, and the conditions suck. In these systems, it is still technically cheaper to take 3-4 hours to fully dress and cook a chicken that will make meals for a few days rather than to buy frozen nuggets, but only if you ignore the cost of labor. If you factor that in working a few extra hours more than makes up for the few dollars in savings you get from doing all that work in the kitchen. And after working 12 hour shifts at a retail or warehouse job, you don't have time or energy to cook and dress a fresh chicken.
Other people have mentioned how working class food culture often gets appropriated by rich people. The implements themselves isn't the issue so much as it is the literal price of the food. So many cuts of meat or other "dirty foods" that poor people have used for so long go up in price because the commercial demand for them goes up. Lobsters, Muscles, Brisket, etc. are all examples of this. Supply chain issues also factor in to this a lot. People used to live closer to where their food was produced/processed/sold so finding discounts on discarded food was a lot easier. Now with long distance shipping and warehousing suppliers will literally destroy surpluses and guard dumpsters rather than allow anyone to get a discount.
"Then, What they do, is add MORE chicken skin."
Nearly 40 year old me, almost inaudibly: "...fuck yes."
Ikr, the skin is my favorite part and chicken breasts aren't tasty at all
@@everwhatever Agreed, friend-o
Me, internally: but you could fry that skin and have a SECOND tasty treat...
Me, externally: what a fantastic ingredient choice
Chicken skin, slow cooked, skim the fat off and you have schmaltz.
@@DahVoozel And don't forget with bones, you got a stew goin!
Not even getting into the infuriating concept of "clean" food & how mad it makes me every time I drive past a Panera billboard, some people on this earth just aren't capable of realizing that "it takes 45 minutes of active time to make literally tuna melts without turning the kitchen into an unusable warzone" is a true statement & not everyone has 45 minutes and clean dishes and energy to spare. This video rocks.
There is a certain deep seeded hatred emanating from his soul whenever Jamie speaks about chicken nugs
the point dan makes here about financial poverty being connected to poverty of time is so crucial to the discussion of food diets. if you’re working a job with shit pay and long hours, there’s no way in hell you’ll have the energy for even basic food prep. especially if you have kids. amazing that on-his-high-horse oliver doesn’t even mention it.
I’ve had a bunch of discussions about food deserts where people will say “but you can still buy the ingredients!” and I always bring up prep time and people usually just avoid it, or claim “there’s quick meals you can make with it too” with no details, or so on
Plus people with less money are more likely to live in environments where leaving food or even cleanup out for any amount of time will attract bugs
All through this I was reminded of arguments I've had with people about how 'just growing your own food because it's so easy' isn't really true. These are time commitments. Especially if you account for all the things that can go wrong. Then, you have to spend money you probably don't have to correct a lot of these issues.
And you need to have some skills and knowledge of pest insects, fungus, soil quality, water amounts, sun amounts. These all have to be learned. And who has time for that when working multiple jobs and might not even be home at all during the day?
The time aspect really does feel like it gets left off way too much.
(This is a bit of a rant, but as someone who grew up in a farming area with a large garden, this always got under my skin.)
I'm experiencing something similar right now. My whole childhood, I've been told to "cook for myself" and "eat healthy". Well, now I've moved out of my parents' place, and when I have a lecture at 8AM and the busses are running on 50 minute intervals with unpredictable delays and traffic, I'm not bloody cooking anything, that's for sure. I just pop some frozen hash browns into the oven, heat for 15 min, eat and go. And I'm not even working class - for them, this must be worse.
Exactly. When I come home after 10h of work I used to just throw something in the oven and threw myself on the couch but when I started trying to eat a bit healthier a while back I quickly started to realize how time consuming and expensive it can be. Even a quick stir fry takes me about 30-45 minutes of cutting and brining the chicken, cutting the vegetables, maybe cooking some rice, frying everything, whipping up a quick sauce etc. And as Dan pointed out, you're left with a mess in the kitchen and a whole lot of dishes to clean. All of that consumes quite a bit of my limited free time so unless you actually enjoy food prep and cooking it can be quite difficult to keep this up every single day ...
It’s not the shape that’s friendly, Jamie. It’s the breading. Breadcrumbs are my best friend.
Also the fact that it's delicious. It's not "brainwashing", they are specifically designed to appeal to instinctive human omnivorous tastes. The kids might think they look yucky as slime, but they don't suddenly forget how they taste when they're cooked.
Misread "breading" as "breeding" and was extremely horrified for a second there
He wasn't even using dino nuggs when talking about friendly shapes. What a poser
The success of fried chicken hinges more on the quantity and quality of the breeding than the meat paste or seasoning.
You bread and fry almost ANYTHING and people are gonna like it. The Human brain loves salt and fats!
I'm an adult and don't particularly like chicken nuggets but that demonstration just makes me feel like chicken nuggets are actually a good tool against food waste by using the less desirable parts of the chicken.
This is like the epitome of "I've got zero problems in my life, what can I get upset about so I have a enemy to fight against" stuff. Goddamn man, not everyone is a goddamn chef nor has the time to be one, let people eat their nuggets.
For a parent, Jamie is impressively bad with kids. Instead of trying to engage them, he seems to have contempt for them and are trying to 'win' points during the interaction.
Oooo, yes this!!!
There's a lot of British dads who think they're good parents because they "engage with their kids" (read: get weirdly competitive against them), rather than being distant.
@@CheshireSwift Oof
I mean, have you seen what he named his children? He hates kids, imo.
He started off with "These are the kids who won't eat my chicken and want chicken nuggets" as if kids preferring familiar foods was a terrible crime and he was being deliberately victimized.
I honestly find Jamie's argument comical. Growing up as an Asian, my mum and dad would eat collagen and the fatty parts of the meat. They would try not to waste a single scrap. To us it was all good food and there was no reason to not eat it. We'd always bones and carcases for broth and sometimes my dad would eat chicken feet or duck necks with some beer. Certain parts might not be as nice as the muscle but I just find it funny that Jamie hates it so much.
Fellow Asian and yeah I think that fish cakes and shrimp patties are similar in concept too, but part of me also think that grinding a chicken down to a textureless paste to then deep fry is not usually done (fish cakes usually have some texture at least) and not a particularly appetising thought. Eating chicken feet in itself is fine (all you taste is the sauce it’s cooked in anyways) but a lot of it is what preservatives is put into that meat goo.
this just brings to mind the recent trend (last couple of years) of collagen supplements and bone broth powder being sold to middle and upper class people for 40+ euros for a 30 pill bottle
@@paperigangsta haha yeah, I find that hilarious!
Same, growing up in Hongkong saved me from that classicist brain poisoning when it comes to food. If you know how to cook, you can make any part of the meat delicious and healthy. The true problem is added sugar, preservatives and force feed antibiotics not the "bad/dirty" parts of an animal.
Maybe it's sth uniquely Hongkong, China and parts Soth Asian which connects to our relative recent history of starvation that makes us uphold historically accurate kitchens utilising what we are handed? Idk, but westerners tend to act grossed out when they see chicken feet or duck's neck, as if those dishes are beneath them or sth.
I'm American but my family is Polish, and we eat practically everything too. And what we truly can't turn into a plate of food we save and boil into stock, meat and vegetable both. And what is strained out of the stock pot goes into a small midden heap at the back of the garden to turn back into dirt for the vegetables we grow. The food waste I see just in my little life from the people around me is breathtaking.
"I wanna show them what's in their fuckin' nuggs"
Imagine being this petty
I've watched this so many times now, but I've only just noticed the transition from "Stop. Eating. Dirty. Nuggets." to cleaning up all the "dirty" dishes from the "clean" nuggets.