Does An eBike Make You Faster Than A Fitness Freak XC Rider?
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- Опубліковано 3 чер 2024
- It seems a lot of people get triggered by EMTB and shout "eBikes are cheating!!! 😤" any time an E-Bike is near a regular mountain bike.. But is it really cheating, and how much of an advantage? And can we both have fun on a day out?
To tackle this subject, our XC whippet Rich Payne arranged a ride with Steve Jones from our sister channel @embn
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00:00 - Intro
01:21 - Climb Challenge
04:51 - Sprint Challenge
06:52 - Technical Climb Challenge
09:28 - XC Loop Challenge
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What challenges would you like to see on Steve and Rich's next head-to-head?
How about both you on the same eMTB, the young fit rider against the not so young not so fit rider. Probably a video for the EMBN channel.
Give them a trials challenge on the same bikes and get Martyn to set the challenges.
I'd like to see them go on a longer distance adventure together so we can see how they both fair putting down more miles over a longer time - should really highlight how an ebike can help mere mortals go further and longer with their fitter, younger brethren, and everyone has a good time.
How about doing a 62 mile challenge for both where Steve could only utilize whatever battery power that the ebike have. Should Steve's ebike run out of power during the challenge, Steve would have to go analogue until the 62 mile mark. Then we could see whether Steve or Rich would have a shorter 62 mile time.
going for adventure with an full specs, strongest ebikes together to some exotic area ;)
Came for the riding, stayed for the comedy 😂
Same as me that day 😅
Loved the banter between these two, both eMTB and 'normal' MTB riders are winners as they are both getting outdoors & having fun.
wrong, stay off MTB trails with your moped.
@@TheTrailRabbitdude, you’re so over the top. Ride and let others ride what they want. He is not riding your bike so, what do you care.
That was fun to watch! More of that please!
'I ain't calling you Daddy" lol.
Facts!!! 🤣
Being old (61) & heavy (250#+) I identify more with Steve here, but both are much fitter than I am. I have an emtb, an XC and a road bike... The emtb isn't cheating as you aren't racing anyone else or concealing it, you are just using a tool that enables you to get out there and do things you otherwise could not. Awesome, fun video guys, anything that shows how much pleasure can be had cycling and demonstrates how people of different ages and fitness can bridge the gap and go have fun together has to be a good thing!
61 old? You're old before your time then. No reason why us 60 - 70 yr olds can't be as fit or even fitter than most 30 -40 olds.
@@45graham45 Yes, if your on drugs 😂 Ok, just to bring you back to reality. How many Tour de France riders are 60-70 ?
@@douglasalexander4348 Afaik none. But that is beside the point. They are competing & so are the very best. 60 - 70 yr olds can (& often should be with decent lifestyle choices) still be very fit. - Fitter than what most 30 40 yr olds that I know or have met. Not as fit as the best of the best in their 20's say but still very fit. Also of course Tour De France riders have often been proven to be on illegal performance enhancing drugs anyway so comparing any normal person with them is moot anyhow.
@@45graham45 Yes, it was my humour, that you COULD compete in the TF if you had the right ‘equipment’ ie brown paper bag haha. I’m 65 and kitesurfing, so yes, age is a freakin’ nuisance when it comes to repairing injuries, but you can still be capable.
Im 51 and have a really bad knee, my e-bike takes off enough pressure that I can still get out there and have fun and get at least some degree of fitness, otherwise I’d be a couch potato
Fantastic pair!😂
Yes please, more hot Steve on Rich action.
Thanks mate, watch this space :)
Rich and Steve well done guys,great head to head battle on 2 very different bikes.
Ooo this duo is fire 🔥 great video chaps 👏
Three minutes in and having a laugh watching them. More Rich and Steve, please!
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!
Some folks might care about ebike v mtb, for me, the craic is for more interesting. Well done you two, this is one of the best collaborations of EMBN and GMBN I've watched. Yes, more please.
Oh, how old is Steve Jones 🙄🤔🤫
As a 40 yo, out of shape emtb rider I can answer this question : moderately fit riders run circles around me, it’s depressing. Granted I chose a “super light” model because I wanted to just be able to go a little further and keep the same feeling on the trail.
Well you said it 'out of shape'.. Try to get in shape. Ebikes will just make you lazier. Force yourself to go up hills without assistance, nor dismounting from your bike. That's what helped me.
@@solidsnake2030Was just about to say exactly the same thing. So many people from 30+ seem to think it is mandatory to be fat & unhealthy. Wrong of course.
@45graham45 agreed.. it's definitely harder to get in shape the older you get, but it's also all about will power and defeating that little voice in your head that tells you to take the easier more comfortable routes/paths. It's a struggle, but once you do it few times and push yourself, it'll definitely make a big difference.
“Out of shape” well ditch the e-bike and get in shape. Problem solved
How do those fitness values change with age?
I guess that would be great video to send Steve to a VO2 max test and then compare with the younger folks and maybe Dan Lloyd pre- and post training regime values...
(Yes, i actually only want to see Steve suffer through a full on VO2max/FTP test... no motors allowed there ^^ )
The challenge was fun but the banter was hilarious!!😂. I hope these two go one some more adventures because the banter will be gold!
This the best of these " head to head" vids I've seen.
Nice one lads. 👍
Recovering from the ACL surgery here, I would certainly appreciate more of Steve and Rich!! 😊
Heal uup quick mate and be careful what you wish for lol
@@richardpayne5176 Awesome, cant wait! 😁 And thank you, mate...💪
That was a great video, love it! I want more!
I want more of this, great video, good chemistry between the two of them too.
I would love to see more of these two on rides the banter is amazing
Steve and Rich ... The best combination of presenters! ... Please do more together.
Thanks dude stoked you liked the vid and im sure there will be more incoming
Loved it, great energy to keep us all entertained .
I’ve been up it on a unicycle 😂! Top class banter, really enjoyed this video
Its great to see you Guys having fun like that.
I enjoyed watching this. Rich and Steve are a great duo!
Really enjoyed this comparo, especially since I’m recently considering an e-bike. Would be good to see an average ride with these two and how they compare with honest commentary on different stages.
Good fun banter video. Love this stuff 😄
Thanks for watching! We'll get father and son back for round 2
I’d be interested to see e-bike vs trad on an endurance ride such as the Badger Divide when battery management becomes an issue
or some motor issues
Honestly, I don't care about that at all
Great vid guys! As on older guy I’m on the hunt for an ETMB so I can keep trucking
Go for it, have you got an eBike in mind?
Rich should have installed bar ends. I went retro and put a set on my trail hardtail. I forgot how good these things are they are staying on.👍
Very cool video! Enjoyed this one! Rich and Steve made a good video 👍
Very entertaining and informative video at the same time, absolute winner.
I would appreciate showing a bit more info about both bikes and bikers as well.
Glad you enjoyed it! We'll try roll that in next time :)
When I first started riding again a couple years ago to get into shape, a way older person overtook me on a climb, easily. I was just about to get off my bike and walk, and he just breezed by. I felt so so bad and only realized some time later that he must have been riding an ebike. I think the feeling of humiliation I felt before I knew this was and still is what's fueling my training to this day 😂
You guys are a great duo! Such a fun vid 😂
Thank you!
Too much fun, great to see interesting and really relevant comparison
It's become a standard with Jonesy videos to see him gracefully fall off a bike. If you look closely, it's not to dissimilar to a pudgy seal on the ice.
Love the video guys, Steve & Rich are absolute gems !!
Always fun when Jonesey's around!
Hired both a trail and lightweight ebike in Derby Tasmania a couple of weeks ago. All day epic rides, loved both bikes but will happily admit I loved the climbs more on the ebike. A few riders on non ebikes still got to the finish first.
The high cost of ebikes and issues with flying with batteries because live in OZ have me still on the fence.
Didn't think I'd enjoy this video but it was a right laugh! Haha
Always a laugh and lots of excuses when Mr Jones is on the channel 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Great stuff Rich and Steve 🤘
I agree Steve longer xc rides has got to go to a normal MTB nice vid
Arthur
So much fun, what a great pairing!
I can keep up with most ebike riders on my normal bike but I'm in insanely good shape.
Great video lads i love the banter between you two and the bag of excuses. 😂
Glad you enjoyed
We need to see more EMBN Vs GMBN challenges.
Steve needs to be in more videos. It’s always an instant click for me when I see him 😁
Bring on more...Yeah!!
Yes please, more of all of the above 👍
Retro bike with Modern rider vs. Modern bike with Retro rider
Nice, interesting challenge👍I ride both eMTB and MTB, although I like my eMTB very much, I do not like to ride it on very technical terrain, simply because it is way too heavy, which makes it hard to control. But no matter what bike, cycling is just a great sport.
great video guys!
It was nice of rich to let the old boy win. Class act all the way👍
Rich, I enjoy your videos. Would like to see more content like this.
Thanks, there's more incoming dont yo worry 👊
To me its all just ridin. Have fun people.
They absolutely ended it correctly, "Cycling for the win!".
Bikes are able to bring folks out that might not have been able to get out due to disabilities.
Rumor has it Steve actually upped those heart rate numbers later that evening.
I'm really puzzled about Rich's power. I've yet to find a climb that I can't ride, but an ebike could. Traction always goes away before torque-power. Not bashing on ebikes - just wondering if Rich faltered for plot reasons.
that's whats puzzled me as well. unless there is some kind of Schlupfregelung ;) traction control system , I can't see more power help with steep technical terrain...
Emtb’s make horrible climbs fun links to the next trail that’s how I look at it..
Rich, “Want to see some more Steve and I action.” Steve, “Let’s finish this off.” Way too punny.
great vid
I've been on XC Races that had multiple categories and boy I've seen expert racer passing e bike racers
E bike can be faster if you are really good on it and doesn't make mistakes coming in hot in corners causing you to brake a lot
😂😂😂😂 ain’t calling you daddy 🤣🤣🤣🤣
More Steve!!!
Age does make a difference when it comes to max HR for training - as a VERY rough guide, 220-your age is a starting point but a better measure of fitness is how quickly you return to your resting rate after training 🤔
Nice video guys well done
Cheers 🤘
a hardtail 26" wheel lightweight bike from 20 years ago would get up these gentle climbs easily, they were the real mountain bikes that could go anywhere. I know as i regularly rode up about 200m of near vertical climb with tree roots on it and steps in the wet. Simply cant do that on a modern bike as the wheels are bigger, so the centre of gravity is too high and you cant get the right position, not to mention bigger wheeled bikes are also heavier, and you dont have triple chainsets anymore. (but i do on my Intense Tracer 275 from 2016) Just bring back the 26ers and have done with it. I cant help thinking that the bike industry has just gone for constant new fads and destroyed what was pure and good about biking. No pain, no gain.
What model Canyon is that? and how much does it sell for?
its the Canyon Lux Trail, sorry not sure of the price
Would really love to see heart rates and times on the xc loop on the ebike by the same fit rider!!
That would be really interesting to see 🤔
Funny pair
That's the part I'm abit wary off is the BPM zones after reading if you reach 170bpm stop what your doing straight away
If you’re winded at the end of a trail you need to start pedaling. Stronger you are up ⬆️ the Stronger you are down ⬇️
I remember Mitch Paten at Pro Circuit mailed a pair of running shoes to one of his riders once because he was to winded and slow at the end of the race.
E bikes just make you drink more beer and eat hamburgers 😂
No, I ride my gravel bike on MTB trails (red routes and lower) and pass riders on e-MTB bikes
This video shows the advantages and disadvantages of e MTBs. It also shows who they are made for.
I’ve seen an old man on an e-bike vs a national champ XC racer and the e-bike won. This was a foregone conclusion
Steve looked like he might barf 🎉 good video guys
Rich didn't go easy on him 🤢
I've just watched the older video of this with Steve and the Girl from specialized on her SL and a armour vest lol let's just say it didn't go to well heavy on lighter ebike 😂 on the same climb aswell, Steve looks like he's lost a good bit weight from the older video of this
Where did I see this item before?
Damn near hurt myself laughing
What power do you have to go down to on a full fat Ebike before your even on a ride ? So full fat 85nm can be turned down to 10 nm keep doing a 3 k loop and turn it up 5 nm a time until your even for pace ? I recon it will be as low as 35 nm 🤔
Even 35Nm is appreciably more assistance than a regular bike, even though the eMTB weighs more. 15-20Nm is probably closer to having the same feel as a regular bike on reasonably flat XC type trail.
@@jmo2752 I was thinking climbing as that’s when you need power
@@danielcedolin2034 it would climb like a regular (unassisted) bike too - ie. the 15/20Nm is what you need to negate the weight difference/motor drag - if you want to climb faster/more easily, then that is when you'd turn up your assistance level.
dad and son action
Alright Tony Bou!
Depends, is it " legal" XD 250W is a joke (most places allow a 500W peak and 250 continous) when people can peak 500 and really trained people even 800
Speaking of which, get Ritch's actual Dad back on.
Steve stays
British ebikes are hardly even ebikes with their 250w limit. Try this with a 750w nominal ebike.
Yes it does, my friend let me ride his ebike and I totally flew up the climb that I usually need 80% of my effort to make up.
More please. That was interesting. Steve is so funny. I'll probably never own an e bike myself. Still on the fence about them. I only got back into biking in 2020 but i have noticed the impact e bikes have had on the local trails. However that's not really the bikes fault, its the rider isn't it? if you are leaving ruts or spinning out , then you are tearing up the trail. Far too few people will fix any damage they do .
Thank you! eBikes aren't really the issue, only way they might be doing more damage is by doing more laps 🤘 You can spin out, roost, tear up the trail on a non eBike as well. But more traffic means more maintenance, if we all helped with maintenance the trails would be looking fresher than ever 💪
steve has 66? thats right?!
#HugLife ... 🤟
10km loop is a very good bench for a full beans ride. Rich's avg HR is mental, absolutely mental. I usually never go above 168 (39yo) even on steepest longest climbs.
That was really fun to watch, I'm faster on a ebike but still faster than most ebiker on my dh casing tires 😂
Can he even use the gears? I mean, first challange and he didn't even put the right gear. Biased
Seems like all these e-bike videos are in defense of how fast e-bikes are compared to a regular bike. We get it they are faster and you can do it with less endurance. I’ve never bragged about my ability’s to anyone who is slower than me but it seems that a large number of e-bike folks all seem to only discuss how fast they are when they used to be the slowest. They seem to let the motor get to their head. Not all but most.
The only time the compared how 'fast' they were, was the cross-country lap at the end - and Steven even pointed out it was a given... The rest of the time they were showing how much easier it is to climb steep and technical terrain when you have the extra torque of the motor-assistance, which is the main point of an eMTB - to make the terrain which is difficult or impossible (or at least exhausting) to climb, more fun.
@@jmo2752 I mean it’s a given that it’s easier to do anything with a motor on a bike. It’s like beating a dead horse. We get it, it makes Mtb fun and easier for some people. I think we all get it.
@@ridedirtymtb9938 you'd think so by now, but then why do we still see ignorant comments any time this channel shows an eMTB?
🤣🤣🤣👍👍
Hmm, If it wasnt for the banter this video would be anther crapper.
I think people need to embrace the fact that it is "cheating" and not be bothered by it. Just have fun and do not be bothered by other people's comments. At the end of the day, there is no getting around it is literally a pedal cycle with a motor on it.
Is that what the e in ebike means excuses
Excuse for what? Having fun😂😂😂😂 wanker
No excuses here considering the eBike won by a mile...
Rich said Steve if full of excuses not me lol it's just a joke no offense to ebikers 😊
The idea that you have to be a fitness freak to ride a real bike is hilarious. Ebikes just make you soft.
I was riding my bike yesterday and some guy weights like 300 lbs was chilling on his ebike going up hills like it's nothing, meanwhile I was struggling and farting all the way up. So yeah it doesn't matter how fit you are, those ebike are cheat.
Cheating at what? you were out for a ride, and the fat guy was out for a ride - who cares?
Does ebike videos make mtb channel boring? Yes. Why even pedal when you could just press a button?
Yep what's happened to GMBN? I have been riding MTB for 30 years & used to enjoy this channel. Now mostly E bikes so I am outer here.
That is not how Class-1 bikes work... you have to pedal to get the assistance. You really ought to know that by now, ever time comments like this appear...
@@jmo2752 i know.. but there are many that work like that.
@@jmo2752 the main point was that they have another channel for ebikes.
@@jkkmobile yes, but this a comparison between an eMTB and a regular MTB - do you not consider that interesting to anyone who might be into bicycles?