Rome (HBO) - Death of the King of Gauls
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- Опубліковано 23 вер 2021
- The captive King of the Gauls, Vercingetorix, is executed in front of all Romans in Ceasar's glorious parade
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Funny how the actor of Caesar is actually a Celt (a Gael not a Gaul) in real life, Irish. And Vercingetorix is played by an Italian
Ironic
Venetians were the only pure blooded descendants of Rome after Alaric, Theodoric, Lombards and other Germanics swept in lol. Not to mention Frankish and Austrian control of northern Italy and Norman control of southern Italy later on.
The northern Italians were also Gauls.
@@benvad9010 they were assimilated early on in the republic lol
In the film the king the actor who plays the english king is related to the french king and tye actor who plays the french king is related to the english king
Vercingetorix had spent 5 years in prison in Rome after surrendering to Caesar at Alesia. While Caesar fought and won the civil war, he rotted in a dungeon so he could be paraded in chains in Caesar's triumph. At the climax of the Triumph he was ceremonially strangled along with other Gallic prisoners before the Temple of Jupiter, a mass human sacrifice in all but name.
The Roman penchant for public humiliation and cruelty for their enemies extended Vercingetorix's life by several years. No wonder Cleopatra committed suicide rather than suffer the same fate.
Yes. Rome made terror to subdue people. Raping vestal virgins,torturing and eating alive captives,seasonal raping, massive crucifixions, full slavement of whole cities,decimation of the army ,
They probably tortured him too. Man the world is dark.
@@eutropius2699 Dark indeed. Caesar himself estimated that he killed 1 million Gauls during his 8 year war, and enslaved another million. Gaul’s population was likely around 3 million. Caesar’s conduct would make him a war criminal by modern standards
Why wasn't he crucified?
@@aessedai2739 Because Caesar wanted a show. To crucify him wouldn't give him popular support. To parade him around in front of the people,made them cheer for Caesar. It would be like if Obama showed in the Superbowl half time his prisoner Bin Laden. Instead of just a quiet execution
It's cool how in the behind the scenes documentary, they said that by killing Vercingetorix this way, his power is transferred to Caesar. So with Caesar absorbing the strength of his enemy, it was clear to everyone that he is the undisputed master of Rome.
Unfortunately symbolic displays of power are of no real use when the senators are plotting against you. Caesar should have been more concerned with keeping his own house in order rather than flexing his God complex on Rome.
That was the whole concept of the Triumph. A ritualized sacrifice to Jupiter to empower the Empire
Octavian planned on doing the same to Cleopatra
And Vercingetorix had to destroy his political system to become king as well.
Seems to me, that ole Vercingetorix was all THAT powerful. Who wants to absorb the power of a loser ?
"To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women" -Julius Ceasar
I always felt bad for the captured enemy king. Losing the war is bad enough, but to suffer such a humiliating end.
Don't be. Most of the ancient kings and leaders. Raped,cheated,abused ,kill for fun ,corrupted, torture for fun. All under the pretext of being the gods chosen one
That's why most just killed themselves
@@hellatze Cuckistian values for you
@@hellatze
so what if he's a barbarian? if youre not from Rome and Greece. you're considered a Barbarian. if you're not from those 2 countries, then youre a barbarian like me in Roman & Greek Standards.
also he fought to protect his people, Vercingetorix is a hero of his nation. He deserves respect.
@@hellatze isn't that what the Romans & Greeks of that era define barbarians? Heck, Persians even with their amazing culture & law and governance are somewhat defined barbarians. I hope I recalled it correctly from our history class 14 years ago that's what I know and the docu I watched years ago. was I wrong? if so may I know what's your correct definition.
Barbarian or not, still. Vercingetorix is a hero of the Gauls but a mere trophy to the hero of the Romans, Julius Caesar. Us people from this era shouldn't say that someone deserve a humiliating death, specially if what he did is defend his people from invaders.
From what I heard from Historia Civilis, Caesar had 4 triumphs in a row. Vercingetorix was paraded on the first day, and strangled to death as the standard procedure. The second triumph had Cleopatra's sister paraded. However, unlike Vercingetorix, she was fluent in Greek and Latin and managed to win over the crowd during the parade, and therefore, the crowd called on Caesar to spare her life. Caesar had to acquiesce. The third triumph was a lull, and there were hardly any reports on it. The fourth triumph had a boy king Juba of Numidia paraded through the streets after Caesar killed his father in a botched civil war. Since the Romans did not want to see a child publicly strangled, they called Caesar to spare him too. Caesar had to reluctantly agree and sent the King Juba to a nice school in Rome somewhere.
The same thing happened with Antony and Cleopatra’s three children during Octavian/Augustus’ triumph.
They were very young and couldn’t move under the weight of their gold chains. The crowd felt sorry for them, so Augustus sent them to live with his sister, who was Antony’s widow.
@@CordsZLmao the part "and sent the King Juba to a nice school in Rome somewhere" is hilarious asf like they paraded his ass and then felt bad and send him to school
@@markalanajon3295that was rather more cruel than hanging in my opinion
@@rory6860 no I meant the school
I wouldn't wish that to my worst enemies!
@@CordsZ Caesarian tripped and fell on a sword 3 or 4 years later. The other children are lost to history.
The conflict between Caesar and Vercingetorix should’ve featured more in Rome.
That would require whole show just about the Gallic Wars, which I would watch
how much money would that take lol
@@manuelkong10 More than stingy old HBO can afford...😁
Or a bit more of the siege of Alesia at least to show how rutless Cesar really was...but as others says, that should've had costs lots of money
It would’ve saved the series
This is a show that could've easily spent 4-5 seasons telling the story of Cesear, Marc Antony, Cleopatra and Octavian's rise to becoming Augustus. But sadly because it was such an expensive show to make, they rushed it into two speedy seasons and we were denied what would've been some beautiful epic battle sequences. I would've gladly traded all the sex scenes in this show for a few more battle scenes.
I hope HBO will one day see their error in cancelling the show and begin again. Off the back of the huge success of Got despite the writing falling apart after Martin left. An epic show spanning several seasons you could go right the way from the peak of the republic all the way through the 12 Caesars and beyond. If pulled off you could have a great show that almost writes itself and a shifting cast moving across the centuries. All the main things that made the first 4 seasons of Got great were basically pulled from antiquity anyway and you could re-use a lot of actors. Seems a no brainer to me.
Plus these days, if they got a big enough budget and adequate time for production they could do amazing things with CGI in terms of recreating the cities and the battles.
@@dylanmorgan2752 and a few actors from Game of Thrones were in Rome. The main being the dude who plays Caesar is the King Beyond the Wall, and the dude who plays Brutus is Edmure Tully. I wholeheartedly agree to your comment. Shut up and take my money!!!
Porn seems to be the only thing that can attract idiots to watch HBO shows
@@dylanmorgan2752shame on the house of hbo, shame
This was the best show in the mid 2000s I hated how it ended wishing it could’ve continued
HBO had planned to make many more seasons but local Italian corruption prohibited any further production. The mafia aren't known for being too smart, they cut off what could've veen a lasting revenue stream just to make a quick buck. And now, because of the parasites, almost nothing is filmed in Italy.
Agreed
Hey, but you got GOT in place of it..................... yay??
A remake of I Claudius from the same producers would have been great.
Yup.
If only Getafix had been able to slip Vercingetorix a little magic potion...
Or send Cacofonix to sing before the execution.
Nelson Bernardi - Yep, that would do it...but it’s too cruel...even for the Romans.
😂😂 was just thinking the same thing
Of all the ways Ancient Rome could end someone's life, this is one of the better ways to go.
Being ritualistically strangled in front of a crowd of people baying for my blood , no thank you . I'd much rather go like Aurelian quietly shanked to death somewhere more private.
Yeah they really were good at coming up with horrific ways to kill people
No it is not.
Would you rather die with your friends and family by your side or be strangled in front a cheering crowd of thousands in a form of humiliation.
@@SomethingWittyRW Did you not read the first half of his sentence or what?
@@carcotasu081 yes? The question still applies would you rather die with your friends and family by your side or would you rather be ritually strangled as a human sacrifice in a Roman generals fancy parade
HBO should make a prequel to Rome . Call it Gaul. Concentrating on Vercingetorix rise to power and war against Rome.
this scene must cost a lot of money for HBO that they don't do season3 anymore.
No, they just moved on to Game of Thrones sadly.
@@sega616 why’s that sad? HBO did Game of Thrones a great justice. It’s not their fault the writers got complacent and lazy.
@@811chelseafc if the soldiers don’t obey the fault lies with the general
@@vietrounder that doesn’t apply if those soldiers abandon their posts based on delusions of grandeur.
@@811chelseafc the show got is trash
I like how Cicero looks away in disgust. That's something he would have done in real life
Would he? I'm actually not sure. He was all about Roman tradition.
@@ThelaretusCicero despised Roman blood sports, he saw them as unbecoming of a Roman. Cierco was a *CONSITUTIONALIST* not a conservative like Cato was, he was always willing to pass a reform if it was legal and genuinely helpful.
@@ethanduncan1646 Yes, I now realise I was mistaken. Roman patricians usually scorned blood sports.
@@ethanduncan1646I actually read that Cicero was a proponent of the games. In his view, Roman citizens had to become accustomed to the violence necessary to maintain the empire.
such acool scene. The city reconstructions look really cool
It’s Cinecittà I love it they make a lot of historical recreations
Gallic war should had been part of Rome. Sad that all budget go to GOT
They even had his body fall forward like he was bowing down to Caesar as he died
For anyone who feels bad just remember that the celts and gauls liked to headhunt their conquered enemies and keep said heads in preservative.
and then display them
As is right and proper. People should know the faces of who you have conquered.
@@SamBrickell touch grass dude lmao
@Rackbone ironic
Romans were far more barbaric and cruel. True sadists.
There was a scene I really hoped would happen but I didn't expect it would. In the actual event, Caesar is riding his chariot and passes the tribunes, one of them does not stand and Caesar yells down to him "Come then tribune Aquila, take the Republic back from me"
In reality Vercingetorix was not strangled publicy but in a prison after he was paraded across the streets
i always wondered why?
@@nonye0 You don't want to make a martyr out of your enemy or have the audience feeling pity for him, so you just kill him privately out of the public's eye.
@@nonye0 we don't know. maybe there was rule about it, maybe they felt killing him in pubic was passee, we just don't know. but they certainly did kill some people this way so its not implausible, and works great for the show.
The Romans killed the prisoners, which we're dragged through the streets during a triumph not during the ceremony but afterwards in the carcer tullianus. The place can be visited in Rome till today.
@@WoodrowSkillsonThe spilling of blood inside the pommerium was considered taboo, per religious custom, so the strangulation would most likely have taken place inside the carcer. We know this was also the case for the Catilinarians who had been executed after the conspiracy.
This was a bad way to end. Rushing out to meet the Romans and dying would have been preferable. Vercingetorix was an able opponent and a huge symbol of freedom for the Gauls. This here must have been heartbreaking to the remaining Gauls.
He try to rush out but Alesia was besieged and the outer reinforcements beaten. He would have only die at the foot of Caesar fortifications. All his men, their women and children were starving in Alesia, so he negociatie his surrender in exchange for their life or to cease their sufferings.
@@Gutvald Looked over again what happened; looks like you were right. In 137 BCE Numantia was besieged by the Romans, but the Celtiberians decided to burn down the place and commit suicide rather than be enslaved; a few hundred did surrender. As it was, the Romans then proceeded to Latinize Gaul and they mixed with the locals who later mixed with invading Franks centuries later. Wonder how all of that would have gone down if Vercingetorix had done something similar. As for that poor fellow, I think that the Romans later strangled him in a dank prison and then threw his body out like rubbish. Gaulish people who remembered him then went to retrieve his body and gave him a funeral byre. Thx! Gave you a like.
Los romanos no fueron más crueles que el resto de pueblos contemporáneos, es más muchos tormento y castigos los adoptaron de los enemigos: La crucifixión de los persas, cortar las manos de los guerreros vencidos del mundo celta, etc...
Vercingetorix's helmet almost looked like Asterix's helmet.
Love the sets here, the temple of Vesta, the temples of Jupiter, the Arx, Juno Moneta, upon the Capitoline behind Caesar.
The arch in the last shot is a little out of place but nonetheless very good. Where Caesar is sat, I guess that’s their interpretation of the temple of Saturn?? Is he supposed to be sat on the temple of Concordia??
This seems strange, but we straight up did the exact same thing with saddam
Have you seen the raw video of what happened with Ghaddafi in Lybia?
One guy sodomized him with a knife, right there on the side of the road.
@o m Vercingetorix wasn't killed like this. Rome had him strangled in a prison. We at least put saddam's hanging on television to show everyone we had conquered his country for resources
@@ryann5247 America is the Rome of the last 3 centuries.
@@rory6860 I was talking about parading then enemy leader the publicly executing him. But, they didn't leave Gaul in rubble. Gaul became provinces of Rome for like 400 years.... So you're still wrong
It's not strange, it's a pretty common method used against criminals, murderer's, and outlaw's even into the early 1900s
This show should still be running and into the crises of the 3rd century or the collapse of the western half of the empire. It should just have kept going to the fall of Constantinople.
I really like the parallelism they set up between Caesar and Vercingetorix; Caesar lowering his head with Vercingetorix and all that.
Feel like the message is: he dies today amongst his enemies. You die tomorrow amongst your friends.
One of the best shows ever made. Its a shame HBO canceled it and they had to concense two seasons into one for season 2.
Still ended amazingly though.
Rip Ray Stevenson. :/
I always wondered, why didn’t he use his magic potion?
Silence barbarian
Obelix must have found the cauldron before him.
unfortunately when caesar built the wall around Alesia, they couldn't bring the potions inside. That's why they lost.
At the last Scene there's a Building that seems the Pantheon... Hey! The Pantheon was built from Agrippa many Years after the death of Cesar 🤣
This is why mein dolf met his end way he did
It was apparently an expensive series to make , part of the reason it was cancellled.
Really?
@@luciusdomitiusaurelianus5334 That what was reported.
I think the tehnology wasn't there still like now and thats why was expensive
@@mirjanapucarevic2105Not really, the technology and even the money was there, but all that got diverted to Game of Thrones, sadly
Claudius gave Caratacus a pension
Pretty funny how he was outdone by far by his great nephew, Octavian, in world history.
Title Name please?
It is important to avoid the fallacy of "presentism" when evaluating the past, but even judging from the perspective of the time, given the history of Caesar and Vercingetorix, it was a dishonorable thing for Caesar to do to humiliate him like that.
Sky was blue then, is blue now. 2+2 is 4 in Jurassic, Adean, under Jesus Palestine and in the future Africa. Never understood this relativism. Good is good, bad is bad; history is a mess, so almost every act has nuances, but presentism is OK, and most of 'presentism' is actually objective ethic. Just because in the past they believed Earth was the center of the universe and they did not have way to verify its position it does not mean they were right and Earth was like that.
Yes I agree. Vercingetorix was a worthy opponent, and surrendered honourably, and was guilty of nothing more than fighting to liberate his people. Kinda ironic how Caesar showed so much mercy to the rodents in the senate who ultimately betrayed him, yet killed off respectable enemies in a humiliating way
@@cowgfwolos9560what in the hell even is this sentence? No there isn’t objective ethics in projecting the present on the past. Seriously wish more people were forced to learn historiography in school.
@@rhysnichols8608 Gaius Julius Ceasar (probably) wish the death of "Vercingetorix" as historians put hypothesis that both men were friends when younger, as Vercingetorix had a lot of time in Rome and high society as prince and officer in roman cavalry....
@@rhysnichols8608you get what you deserve
Caesar avenged the burning of Rome by the Gaul 300 years later this is why the people loved him
The people were also happy about the slaves and the loot stolen from the Gauls. Greek historians (Polybe, Diodore) didn't give too much importance to Rome's sacking by Brennus (whose name just means "Gaul chief" and who probably didn't exist). Gauls (from northern italy) went, they pillaged, they left. Centuries after, Roman historians thought this was making their ancestors look like push-overs and added some heroic deeds. And so Roman historians like Tite-Live turned the Celt's looting into an existantial struggle won by their "glorious ancestors" who chased the evil Gauls away and took back their gold. An easy thing to do when the oldest sources are from 2 centuries after the event.
Ridiculous
@Oscar_Lasco Ofc he existed tf
Vercingetorix got off lighty with a relatively quick hanging; if the Romans had wanted to give him a long and deeply degrading death, they'd have crucified him.
Would make presidential inaugurations more memorable/ :)
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How come they didn't dress Caesar in purple. He would have been in head to toe in purple
Because Caesar didnt want to make himself look like an emperor.
@@harukrentz435 king*
@@wankawanka3053 but he would always wear purple on big days. It was a super non Roman thing to do but he did it. He loved his purple outfit. Wtf.
love the show but god this comment section is just pure cancer
That's one of the biggest historical inacuracies of the TV serie. The leaders of the enemies of Rome that were shown in a triumph parade were not usually executed publicly, but at an underground prison called "Tullianum" after the parade. And such was done with Vercingetorix.
Actually, I think that you right. Still, a bad way to go.
The music is pure Shostakovich imitation....
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Vae victus.
Rome is the light
As a romaboo, the romans were undoubtably the real barbarians
The Romans were civilizing people
The Romans introduced technology to the barbarins while the barbarians intruducued feces to the world
@IBZ for every atrocity conducted by a roman enemy, the romans matched or even surpassed in every way
You don't even know what that word means
@@wankawanka3053 which one, tell me one thing the barbarians did that the romans did not
@@wankawanka3053 You didn't even specify which word you're talking about lmao
Romans man... Brutal since Romulus killed Remus.
Not more brutal than others. They have just let more documentation on it.
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Caesar was a great man, and did many great things, but this moment was definitely a huge L for Caesar and Rome. Vercingetorix fought a hell of a war and was an opponent worthy of respect, a freedom fighter for his people against Roman enslavement and domination. He surrendered to Caesar in an honourable fashion, he did NOT deserve such a brutal and unjust death. I find it astounding Caesar showed so much clemency to scheming rodents in the senate who ultimately betrayed him, yet actual honourable opponents he humiliated and killed.
caesar may have seen him as a threat and decided to eliminate it befiore it got out of control also im pretty sure irl he died in prison after being paraded through the streets
BECAUSE HE WAS A CONSUL OF ROME
Romans disdained foreigners.
in fact Caesar shows a lot of mercy
roman army take a lot of prisonners from gallic army, mostly rom Alesia trapped army (said to be 80k+)
BUT
to calm down the revolt he make free the warriors of Arvernes and Eduens
and give one of the other as slave for each of his legionnaries....
Vercingetorix sure fought like hell - pushing women and children out of his stronghold to starve to death in front of him...
best show for me better than Got
Where was Asterix and Obelix?
Agecanonix was here............
The Roman invasion was a precursor to the modern European countries. Central Europe in those days were all warring tribes and Rome did what the UK and France did later and pit one tribe against its rival. Conquer and divide. The Romans were the 'bigger enemy' and these tribes formed alliances for the first time in their history after 1000s of years of fighting each other. Eventually those that had most in common linguistically and culturally formed countries . The various Goth tribes into the German states culminating in the late 1800s to Germany and Austira
, various Belgii tribes into Belgium, various Rus tribes into Russia.
How cruel were and is the human being.Nothing changed,only technology
Big big historic mistake .... .. 1st Vercingetorix was NEVER the king of Gauls, he was the leader of the Gauls who resisted Rome. 2nd 6 years after his imprisonment, Vercingetorix died in prison. But the reasons for Vercingetorix's death are still very unclear. Did Vercingetorix die because of the conditions of his imprisonment? Was Vercingetorix's death the result of soldiers seeking revenge? Or did Julius Caesar order Vercingetorix's death to get rid of his rival once and for all? The mystery still remains....But as an Arverne, I can tell you that we're proud to have beaten one of the greatest Roman generals at the Gergovie oppidum.
Vercingetorix was never "king" of the gauls, his father was put to death because he try to be crowned as king
Vercingetorix was at 99.99% NOT the name of the man, this word is for "great chief of the warriors"...by comparison : D.Eisenhower in 1945
Vercingetorix was not put to death at triumph time, but afetr (nobody knows if weeks or months)
Gaius Julius Ceasar (probably) wish the death of "Vercingetorix" as historians put hypothesis that both men were friends when younger, as Vercingetorix had a lot of time in Rome and high society as prince and officer in roman cavalry....
But as Arverne (part of) too, i went every summer on Gergovie hill.......
He could be considered a "king" in a very loose sense of the term. First of all the suffix "rix" means king in Gaulish, though you find it in many names of the Gauls who opposed Rome (Ambiorix, Orgetorix) the term could be more or less interchangeable with "great leader" in this sense.
His father and he were more or less Chieftains of the Averni tribe, who were among if not the most powerful and respected tribe in Gaul.
Why you are proud? I really wondered.
@@halilkoc8951 as I said "we're proud to have beaten one of the greatest Roman generals at the Gergovie oppidum"
@@amelinaida5143 To be beaten is a source of being proud for French😂. Understood, no more question.
This is how Trumpers imagine the coronation of the Orange Jesus.
U-S-A! U-S-A!
Don't feel sorry for the barbarian, they tortured and humiliated just as much as the romans - but with far less flair.
That is not true. Slaves in Germanic and Celtic tribes were generally treated much better than Roman slaves, and the barbarians lacked the means to commit atrocities on a scale anywhere near that which rome could.
I am still annoyed by the casting of caesar.... Many better actors to portrayed caesar.
I think it was a good option
have you seen Caesar real bust?
So many allusions on Nazis with those red flags vertically standing. We all know that Nazis took many heraldic stuff from Romans and this series nicely closed that circle.
Woah, the Romans were literally Hitler. Guess we should ban them too.
Closed the circle? Wishful thinking on your part.
Nazis stole everything even the swastiska which was and still is a holy symbol in buddishm.
Its not really a allusion to nazis if they were the ones copying Romans. With Germans it was always more of a imitation of the Holy Roman Empire.
The circle of you own obsession maybe ...
This scene made me despise the Romans
If you payed enough attention you should've despised them long before this lol
I think we have different standards, but still thanks for your input. Many share your opinion/@@nagger8216
For what? A simple execution?
Fascists
That's no way for a white man to be treated. RIP Vercingetorix
Oh god lmao
It’s no way for ANYONE to be treated!
Really gonna put yourself like that huh?
What is white exactly? they were form different races
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