Back in the late 60's, I used to hop freight trains to go on adventures to get away from Cleveland Ohio. A friend and I rode a box car through horseshoe curve. We got off the train somewhere north of Altoona. We ran into some hippies in a small town and let us spend the night there at their house. The next day, they drove us back to Cleveland as they had some hippie friends there and had planned to go visit them.
@Hjcrockets Minecraft From 13 to 15 (1967 to 1969) were the years I hopped trains. From 1959 to 1965 (when I was 11) we lived in Brookpark a suburb of Cleveland, SE of the airport. Back then it was on the edge of civilization. Everything to the south where I spent most of my time was farm lands, wide open fields and ancient woods. When my family moved to Cleveland, I hated it. The air was nasty, people weren't very nice. I did spend some time watching railroad workers at a freight yard studying them getting on and off moving trains. When I was 13, that's when I started hopping trains to go on adventures. From what I've seen lately, they made freight cars no longer passenger friendly.
@Hjcrockets Minecraft Trains Are HUGE These Days! I Recommend Not To Train Hop. Not Only Is It Illegal, But Its Extremely Dangerous! You'll Get Killed In The Process Of Doing So.
Awesome catch! That was really cool of the first NS train engineers to honk at you guys!! I try to wave at engineers anytime I see them! Glad to see people out and about during this situation. Awesome seeing others who love trains as well!
In Nov. 1989, I was making a solo trip cross-country and stopped at Horseshoe Curve. A Conrail train was coming down, and as is my tradition, I was waving to the engineer. He was most charming and blew me a kiss! In December 1974, I was on the Broadway Limited. The passenger coaches had purple safety lights, but the passengers were asleep. Looking out the window on the left=hand side was a solid line of purple reflected on the snow.
JT, That was a really good illustration of the trains moving through Horseshoe Curve from that vantage point that I think I have seen to date! The trains certainty squeal! Regards Stephen.
I was just thinking the other day, how I gotta take the grand kids to Horseshoe Curve one day. You are the man Jaw Tooth! You got trains going both ways, great catch. Once they open the incline those rail tops will clean up fast. Thanks for sharing sir!
With the 2 recent de-rails there -visiting the horse shoe might throw up a cracking video -believe theres some cars still down the banking -too expensive to save ??? Poor old Millenium force -looks like he died twice on the way up ??😥 Nice close ups on the incline tho -and NS engineers like giving the fans a toot ! Good video Jawtooth -your a busy man these days! Regards
I went there back in 2001. About a 4 hr drive from where I live. Loved it. An incredible undertaking when it was constructed. Today I doubt it would even be approved because of environmental impact.
Nice video. The area sure has changed since I was there in the years 1979 to 1981. Back then, there were two ways to get to the top. Walk up or drive up following the old roadbed which ended in a small parking lot off to the left. The four track main is now three. Long gone are the Conrail SD 40-2's and the GP 40s. The K4 is gone. More than once was treated to four trains in view on the curve and all the sound they made. I also like the variety of trains that came up and down. Most were mixed manifests freights. But the times have changed in the 40 years since I was there. I am sure you all enjoyed the sights you saw. It is still a great place to watch trains in action.
Albert Jones the k4 was actually taken out of there and restored to operating condition I don’t remember when it was or what happened to it but I do know that it was restored to operational condition and it ran for a while but I don’t know where it is now or if it still runs
@@JawTooth just wanted to come All the way back in time to see how many more box cars you might have filmed , seen your video with good ol shoestring and I had to do a search for the videos again because UA-cam just stopped sending me notifications for some reason , God Bless and hope I don't miss anymore
First video I've seen on the ground and up close from the Horseshoe Curve area. Thanks for making a video like that so we all can see what the place actually looks like, as if you're there. Another find JT production.
Great video Jawtooth. My railfanning stomping grounds. Sry you had to walk it. One day we went with my grandparents, and as soon as we got there, the Virginian heritage unit came into view. Ran as fast as I could up all those stairs. Managed to beat it. They were booking it down the hill though. Know the feeling. Keep up the great work.
Super video and instant like. Much much better perspective of the horseshoe than you get from the VRF camera. Love that flange squeal too! Thanks for posting Mr Tooth!
Smitty SF-3751 Well you sure picked a great spot to visit, lots of natural beauty and long trains. I could hear the comments on the garbage train, I know how that goes, WOW, it is bad, Nice track work on the incline, just a little on the rusty side.
It's sad this Covid has ruined so many good things about live, I sure hope they find something to get rid of it so things can get back to normal. Great video as always Jawtooth! Thanks for sharing!
Back on either my 2003 or 2004 trips over there, I not only saw a few 2-train meets on the Curve, but I also caught a couple 3-train meets. Totally awesome!
Wow, that was a jam packed video, JT! Lots of action, pigs, stacks ‘n trash - and not a box car or hopper in sight. They sure run ‘em long on that line. I love how the hoggers salute the fans with horn blasts and waves. Nice acknowledgement. Some serious flange squealing! It’d be tough on my tinnitus. Interesting how the westbounds squeal more than the eastbound. When I visited the Curve many years ago, I took the stairs. Good cardio workout. Millenniumforce seemed uncharacteristically subdued. I guess there were too many people around for him to do his comedy routine. Thanks for posting!
The first video I saw of your's was the NS with fire belching out of it's stack as it passed under a bridge. I didn"t know what make of it that someone would just go out and video a freight train. YOU make it interesting along with your knowledge of the local trains and some history. Now I can't wait till your next videos. I'm a fan! I appreciate your dedication. I live near Tampa so I like the coverage of CSX. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for the video Jaw Tooth. Been watching your videos for a few months now and usually prefer your shortline action, it's so different to what we have here in the UK - but couldn't help commenting on this one. I got to see Horseshoe curve for real when I was on vacation in the US back in 2004, what a masterclass in the art of the railroad surveyor and engineer. Missed the park opening times and arrived at dusk as we were touring around the eastern states with Altoona at the end of one day's driving, but did get to watch a couple of trains go round the curve before dark. Stay safe - let's hope there's always more😎
Great video. Shame about the incline out of service. We rode it around this time last year on a trip from Texas to Horseshoe Curve. Glad we didn't have to climb those gazzillion steps!!
excellent job keep up the good work I will always give you a thumbs up all the time job well done now if you could go the Tehachapi a train depot there's a lot of trains that go through
I paid a visit to the Curve in the early 90's. It was kind of a slow day; the economy was not at full steam at the time. It was still interesting to read about why and how it was built.
Real nice one, JT!! On June 1st, NS finished cleaning up the last cars of 2 separate derails that occurred in July of 2019 there. They let some of the cars lay along the side for almost a year because they own the property.
Oh wow! They still have a couple of covered hopper cars laying on their side just west of Cresson. When you drive over the tracks on Highway 22 going east you can look down and see them. Their trucks are gone though. I thought about trying to film them but I didn't
Jaw tooth that’s one of the better ones I’ve seen of your collection. That’s awesome. I didn’t know there was a place like that up in Pennsylvania. I’ll have to visit that sometime. There must be a lot of activity there for them to have a visitation center along the track. Thanks for the video
Thanks for watching! They get a lot of trains. If you are there for a couple hours you can easily see 3 or 4 trains and Amtrak goes by in each direction once a day
When I visited the Horseshoe Curve, almost 70 years ago, there was only a path up to the curve and tracks on the curve, but we did see a train travel the curve. My uncle took us there. He lived in Altoona, in a coup car and I rode in the Rumble seat. It was on a winter day, cold, and some snow blew off the roof of the car in my face. He actually lived in Cannon Station and the same stream that flows by the reservoirs below the Curve flowed about 100 yards from where he lived in Cannon Station with my grandparents and we used to swim in that stream. It was sulfur water. When I was 5&6 yo, I lived with my grandparents and my Grandmother and I would board a streetcar in Eldorado, which bordered Cannon Station, and ride into Altoona to visit her sister Clara, my aunt.
@@JawTooth Do you remember the Broadway Limited, from NYC to Chicago. Going back to NYC it was The National limited. I was fortunate to ride the National limited from Harrisburg to NYC on its last run before it was retired. I needed to use the men's room and upon entering I saw that the Men's room had seating in it for men to go and smoke cigars. The seating was lined up like a shoeshine stand so I believe that men got a shoeshine from the Porter there also. I went out on the rear platform and watched the tracks disappear as we traveled. It was a grand old train. Have you ever been to the train museum in Strasburg, PA? Lots of vintage engines and you can ride a steam locomotive powered train, I think they offer a dinner experience ride also. On New Year's eve in 1965, almost broke Air Force Airman 2C, wife, 1 yo daughter and friend couple with a child, rode a narrow gauge train (night time) through the Cranberry Bogs (Lighted Christmas displays set up in the bogs) in, I think it was, Edaville,Mass, (small artifacts museum there). Cars were so narrow, the cars had 1 single person seat on each side of the car but they were heated. About 10 years ago, I made a trip in the west, originally to visit and ride restored trains but opted to visit caverns instead. My Grandfather worked on the PRR and as such, we rode those old smoke-belching steam locomotive trains for free when with him. Once, before my Grandmother caught me, I opened the the window and was immediately covered in smoke and soot. I was about 4 yo, I didn't know that would happen.
Found it a little odd that you got some horn action from the first trains rear helpers. Usually not manned. Wonder if some crew members were catching a ride?
helpers are manned, distributed power locomotives are not manned, the horse shoe curve is a steep climb up hill and trains need help just to the top so down at the bottom the helpers couple up and shove the trains up the hill. once they are high enough the helpers cut off while moving and drop back and return back down the hill to push the next one up.
@focus frenzy is correct. look for the gray box on the rails of the helpers. if it has one, that's called "helper link" and is the system used to disconnect the manned helpers once done. if they don't have those gray boxes on the front rail of the engine, it's not helper link and probably won't be manned.
Hey Jaw tooth cool place a railfans dream. Im train buff big time . That trash train is only one I would not enjoy watching very smelly phew !!!!!. Have a great railroad day
I remember long before the incline the only way to get up there was steps (not concrete either). Once you got to the top you could see the K4. I went back many years later with my kids and the incline was shut down then too. Still didn’t feel the same.
The time I was there every westbound had manned helpers and generally were 4 on the head end and 2 SD 40-2s/-3s shoving or Pulling on the head end then we'd see them going light back to Altoona
I rode around that curve the night of 10/28/76 on the way to Navy Boot Camp in Kenosha WI. I didn't see a thing because I was either drunk or it was dark out, possibly both.
At the end of the westbound intermodal train out of Altoona, there are what's called helper locomotives. Years ago, a train lost momentum going uphill on Horseshoe Curve and coasted backward until it derailed. That derailment led to the addition of helper locomotives to prevent similar incidents from happening in the future. The helper locomotives are from the Norfolk Southern shops in Altoona, but they only help westbound trains get up and around Horseshoe Curve. After helping the train get up and around the curve, the helpers decouple and return to the shops to help the next train. As always, the helper locomotives are at the rear end of the train, and in this case, it was NS 7231 and NS 7247 on the intermodal.
@@chrisperry1151 On one train years ago, a westbound train, the helpers at the rear had their work cut out for them when tunnel work stopped the train, forcing the train to start from a standstill and throttle up to notch 8 after a standing start. Those helpers were screaming, son. And as Brian (alias Jaw Tooth) would say "live action! Woo!"
Makes me wonder if the inclines in Pittsburgh are running. Man - you can hear those engines putting the power down! Very cool meet/race too :) One thought - how are your ears after a full day of track chatter? (steel squeal)
Looks treacherous to walk all the way up on there Jaw. Awesome footage of the trains too man. Especially the long one at the beginning. The second one looked just as long too. I didnt see everyone wearing the masks either. Must have been optional and hot to those wearing them. This is awesome live action. I really enjoyed the video.
I was there when conrail own it. Intermodal couldn't ho on the curve. Cause of the twin tunnel. Wish I could have seen it when prr had it with steam locomotives running
Made the trip to Horseshoe Curve about three years ago. Walked up but took the incline back down. It isn't that far to the top as the crow flys but thoe steps are long.
I absolutely love your videos and if you're looking for short lines/smaller trains try coming to Tarentum, PA as we have a local NS that runs 3 shifts. Ok back to the video son
Back in the late 60's, I used to hop freight trains to go on adventures to get away from Cleveland Ohio. A friend and I rode a box car through horseshoe curve. We got off the train somewhere north of Altoona. We ran into some hippies in a small town and let us spend the night there at their house. The next day, they drove us back to Cleveland as they had some hippie friends there and had planned to go visit them.
@Hjcrockets Minecraft From 13 to 15 (1967 to 1969) were the years I hopped trains. From 1959 to 1965 (when I was 11) we lived in Brookpark a suburb of Cleveland, SE of the airport. Back then it was on the edge of civilization. Everything to the south where I spent most of my time was farm lands, wide open fields and ancient woods. When my family moved to Cleveland, I hated it. The air was nasty, people weren't very nice. I did spend some time watching railroad workers at a freight yard studying them getting on and off moving trains. When I was 13, that's when I started hopping trains to go on adventures. From what I've seen lately, they made freight cars no longer passenger friendly.
@Hjcrockets Minecraft Trains Are HUGE These Days! I Recommend Not To Train Hop. Not Only Is It Illegal, But Its Extremely Dangerous! You'll Get Killed In The Process Of Doing So.
And, I Can't Keep My Eye On A GEVO Passing A Crossing Without Getting A Bit Dizzy.
I’m a recent transplant to Johnstown and I’m loving the rail action! I used to ride trains with my dad back in the day- he loved the steamers.
I can’t wait to get back there someday with my dad to watch trains again! Horseshoe curve is my Disneyland!
Awesome catch! That was really cool of the first NS train engineers to honk at you guys!! I try to wave at engineers anytime I see them! Glad to see people out and about during this situation. Awesome seeing others who love trains as well!
True
Horseshoe Curve is a Railroad Engineering Masterpiece. Very well thought out Design. 👍
When I was at the country “Chile.” I saw a incline Track just like that. I Rode on it and It was a enjoyable ride
Nice catches: the girl in the red top and black shorts and the girl in the pink dress with white flowers. The trains were nice, also.
In Nov. 1989, I was making a solo trip cross-country and stopped at Horseshoe Curve. A Conrail train was coming down, and as is my tradition, I was waving to the engineer. He was most charming and blew me a kiss!
In December 1974, I was on the Broadway Limited. The passenger coaches had purple safety lights, but the passengers were asleep. Looking out the window on the left=hand side was a solid line of purple reflected on the snow.
Nice to see that NS finally cleaned up the wreckage from last year's string-line derailments.
JT, That was a really good illustration of the trains moving through Horseshoe Curve from that vantage point that I think I have seen to date! The trains certainty squeal! Regards Stephen.
Thanks Stephen!
A festival of sounds and moves, the site is simply an enchanting angle of paradise. Nice vidéo, really.
I was just thinking the other day, how I gotta take the grand kids to Horseshoe Curve one day. You are the man Jaw Tooth! You got trains going both ways, great catch.
Once they open the incline those rail tops will clean up fast. Thanks for sharing sir!
Horseshoe Curve is the Holy Grail of eastern U.S. rail fanning 🌟 ya' gotta go there at least Once, if you possibly can !
I would like to one day whenever I have the opportunity..
lazy RRR Been through there several times on Amtrak.
I plan on going for first time in September
With the 2 recent de-rails there -visiting the horse shoe might throw up a cracking video -believe theres some cars still down the banking -too expensive to save ??? Poor old Millenium force -looks like he died twice on the way up ??😥 Nice close ups on the incline tho -and NS engineers like giving the fans a toot ! Good video Jawtooth -your a busy man these days!
Regards
Using Big EMD power as helpers.Nice! Looks like a good time.Thanks Brian.
I went there back in 2001. About a 4 hr drive from where I live. Loved it. An incredible undertaking when it was constructed. Today I doubt it would even be approved because of environmental impact.
It is almost impossible to get any new rail line approve in America due to the immense amount of over regulation and the infinite amount of Nimbys.
Nice video. The area sure has changed since I was there in the years 1979 to 1981. Back then, there were two ways to get to the top. Walk up or drive up following the old roadbed which ended in a small parking lot off to the left. The four track main is now three. Long gone are the Conrail SD 40-2's and the GP 40s. The K4 is gone. More than once was treated to four trains in view on the curve and all the sound they made. I also like the variety of trains that came up and down. Most were mixed manifests freights. But the times have changed in the 40 years since I was there. I am sure you all enjoyed the sights you saw. It is still a great place to watch trains in action.
Albert Jones the k4 was actually taken out of there and restored to operating condition I don’t remember when it was or what happened to it but I do know that it was restored to operational condition and it ran for a while but I don’t know where it is now or if it still runs
There’s a virtual railfan camera there, it’s one of my favorite cams
ClayTheDiamond11 same
@@ItzEmeraldGames Same! :)
Now they need to put a VR camera at the Tehachapi loop! Another engineering marvel.
BurtonSKnowles there’s already a camera at tehachapi, but it’s not VR
I believe this is the vr camera 22:28
Awesome place to catch a train. One day I might get to see the famous curve in person.
Thumbs up as always! 💥🥂
Thank you! Cheers!
Fuck you baltimore jk referring to a meme
@@JawTooth just wanted to come All the way back in time to see how many more box cars you might have filmed , seen your video with good ol shoestring and I had to do a search for the videos again because UA-cam just stopped sending me notifications for some reason , God Bless and hope I don't miss anymore
Didn't know what all they had there! All I've ever seen of the curve is what you see on Virtual Railfan!
First video I've seen on the ground and up close from the Horseshoe Curve area. Thanks for making a video like that so we all can see what the place actually looks like, as if you're there. Another find JT production.
Our pleasure!
Great video Jawtooth. My railfanning stomping grounds. Sry you had to walk it. One day we went with my grandparents, and as soon as we got there, the Virginian heritage unit came into view. Ran as fast as I could up all those stairs. Managed to beat it. They were booking it down the hill though. Know the feeling. Keep up the great work.
Thank you for the fantastic video. Now I know why this venue is photographed so much
Super video and instant like. Much much better perspective of the horseshoe than you get from the VRF camera. Love that flange squeal too! Thanks for posting Mr Tooth!
Glad you liked it!
I sure love your. Videos. Keep up the great work
Great as always Jawtooth!!
Fantastic JT! I just love your videos. You brightened up my day.
12:50 What a view!
Smitty SF-3751
Well you sure picked a great spot to visit, lots of natural beauty and long trains. I could hear the comments on the garbage train, I know how that goes, WOW, it is bad, Nice track work on the incline, just a little on the rusty side.
Thank you very much!
It's sad this Covid has ruined so many good things about live, I sure hope they find something to get rid of it so things can get back to normal. Great video as always Jawtooth! Thanks for sharing!
I am Canadian and love watching your videos and virtual railfan too.
Thank you very much!
Back on either my 2003 or 2004 trips over there, I not only saw a few 2-train meets on the Curve, but I also caught a couple 3-train meets. Totally awesome!
Really cool Jaw Tooth! I'm planning to go there next week! Its about a 6 hour run though.
Wow, that was a jam packed video, JT! Lots of action, pigs, stacks ‘n trash - and not a box car or hopper in sight. They sure run ‘em long on that line. I love how the hoggers salute the fans with horn blasts and waves. Nice acknowledgement. Some serious flange squealing! It’d be tough on my tinnitus. Interesting how the westbounds squeal more than the eastbound. When I visited the Curve many years ago, I took the stairs. Good cardio workout. Millenniumforce seemed uncharacteristically subdued. I guess there were too many people around for him to do his comedy routine. Thanks for posting!
Amazing. horseshoe curve Pennsylvania from Thailand.
Thank you!
Canadian Pacific's Spiral Tunnel here in British Columbia is also quite the sight.A train going over itself is pretty cool.
Horseshoe curve is such an awesome place! I really want to go back sometime soon.
The first video I saw of your's was the NS with fire belching out of it's stack as it passed under a bridge. I didn"t know what make of it that someone would just go out and video a freight train. YOU make it interesting along with your knowledge of the local trains and some history. Now I can't wait till your next videos. I'm a fan! I appreciate your dedication. I live near Tampa so I like the coverage of CSX. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for the video Jaw Tooth. Been watching your videos for a few months now and usually prefer your shortline action, it's so different to what we have here in the UK - but couldn't help commenting on this one.
I got to see Horseshoe curve for real when I was on vacation in the US back in 2004, what a masterclass in the art of the railroad surveyor and engineer. Missed the park opening times and arrived at dusk as we were touring around the eastern states with Altoona at the end of one day's driving, but did get to watch a couple of trains go round the curve before dark.
Stay safe - let's hope there's always more😎
Nice videoooooooOOOO!!
Greetings from Spain!!
Great day for a new place to be❤
I have been at the Horse Shoe Curve keep it up Jaw !
Thanks for posting, Brian. Everyone needs to visit horseshoe curve.
Awsome, incredibile long train. 🚂🚃💪👍
Too bad the funicular was closed because of the SCAMDEMIC. Thanks for the video. 👍👍
You're welcome!
Glad you got there. Best wishes from England.
Thanks!
Great video. Shame about the incline out of service. We rode it around this time last year on a trip from Texas to Horseshoe Curve. Glad we didn't have to climb those gazzillion steps!!
Very cool. That is on my bucket list
It is well worth the trip. Just do it!
Nice video, cool 👍👍🙋🏻♂️
Greetings from Gert
Thank you! Cheers!
Thanks for this beautiful video,i have enjoy it.with a vew cold Amstel beers,lol.greetz:Peer,also for Allan and hese familie.
Those trees are incredibly beautiful! ~Cindy! :)
I think so too! They grow very fast and the park has to trim them every few years so you can see the trains. Its amazing how fast that trees can grow
excellent job keep up the good work I will always give you a thumbs up all the time job well done now if you could go the Tehachapi a train depot there's a lot of trains that go through
Those 2 side by side that's some elephant race.
I paid a visit to the Curve in the early 90's. It was kind of a slow day; the economy was not at full steam at the time. It was still interesting to read about why and how it was built.
One of my favorite places! I like the diamonds in Marion too, always good action.
Mine too! Marion will be the location for Summer rail next year put on by Railfan Magazine
Same here!
Hey nice pictures of a trash train. Long one too.
Glad those people wearing masks had them on.💩
Real nice one, JT!! On June 1st, NS finished cleaning up the last cars of 2 separate derails that occurred in July of 2019 there. They let some of the cars lay along the side for almost a year because they own the property.
Oh wow! They still have a couple of covered hopper cars laying on their side just west of Cresson. When you drive over the tracks on Highway 22 going east you can look down and see them. Their trucks are gone though. I thought about trying to film them but I didn't
Love your shots JawTooth, keep’em coming
Yes I was up there 2 two times magnificent horse shoe curve.
What a spot , good job Son. Love the detail on that funicular .Them NS crews seem freindly great stuff .
Yes they do
Hola excelente video sigan adelante bendiciones Saludos desde Panamá cuidate mucho
Thanks!
Jaw tooth that’s one of the better ones I’ve seen of your collection. That’s awesome. I didn’t know there was a place like that up in Pennsylvania. I’ll have to visit that sometime. There must be a lot of activity there for them to have a visitation center along the track. Thanks for the video
Thanks for watching! They get a lot of trains. If you are there for a couple hours you can easily see 3 or 4 trains and Amtrak goes by in each direction once a day
That was a great video!! All that train activity there at Horseshoe Bend reminds me of the UP and BNSF trains here in Southern California.
That PRR GP9 has seen better days. A new coat of paint would do wonders to it.
Awesome live action.
Great video jawtooth, always have wanted to go there
That old PRR 7048👍👍
Awesome video! I was there the same day as you! I can see clips with me in it!
So cool! Which person are you?
Jaw Tooth I was wearing a shirt that said TRAIN CREW and had a black hat on.
I came up here about a month after you came here
Nice video never saw like this. Love from India.
If I was still a kid, and I heard all that screeching noise, I'd say, "give that train some WD-40!"
I'm so glad you were safe out there, 4 jabs? That is a pretty spot, and now the fall...
Nice work! Keep it up.
Nice video!
Excellent video!!!
Good job. . . I enjoyed your videos
Glad you like them!
When I visited the Horseshoe Curve, almost 70 years ago, there was only a path up to the curve and tracks on the curve, but we did see a train travel the curve. My uncle took us there. He lived in Altoona, in a coup car and I rode in the Rumble seat. It was on a winter day, cold, and some snow blew off the roof of the car in my face. He actually lived in Cannon Station and the same stream that flows by the reservoirs below the Curve flowed about 100 yards from where he lived in Cannon Station with my grandparents and we used to swim in that stream. It was sulfur water. When I was 5&6 yo, I lived with my grandparents and my Grandmother and I would board a streetcar in Eldorado, which bordered Cannon Station, and ride into Altoona to visit her sister Clara, my aunt.
Awesome stories! Thanks for telling us about that. I wonder what the streetcar was like back then
@@JawTooth Streetcar, much noisier than a train, uncomfortable seats.
@@JawTooth Do you remember the Broadway Limited, from NYC to Chicago. Going back to NYC it was The National limited. I was fortunate to ride the National limited from Harrisburg to NYC on its last run before it was retired. I needed to use the men's room and upon entering I saw that the Men's room had seating in it for men to go and smoke cigars. The seating was lined up like a shoeshine stand so I believe that men got a shoeshine from the Porter there also. I went out on the rear platform and watched the tracks disappear as we traveled. It was a grand old train.
Have you ever been to the train museum in Strasburg, PA? Lots of vintage engines and you can ride a steam locomotive powered train, I think they offer a dinner experience ride also.
On New Year's eve in 1965, almost broke Air Force Airman 2C, wife, 1 yo daughter and friend couple with a child, rode a narrow gauge train (night time) through the Cranberry Bogs (Lighted Christmas displays set up in the bogs) in, I think it was, Edaville,Mass, (small artifacts museum there). Cars were so narrow, the cars had 1 single person seat on each side of the car but they were heated.
About 10 years ago, I made a trip in the west, originally to visit and ride restored trains but opted to visit caverns instead.
My Grandfather worked on the PRR and as such, we rode those old smoke-belching steam locomotive trains for free when with him. Once, before my Grandmother caught me, I opened the the window and was immediately covered in smoke and soot. I was about 4 yo, I didn't know that would happen.
That same sulfur creek is where I fell through the ice probably 50 years ago. I grew up in Eldorado.
Found it a little odd that you got some horn action from the first trains rear helpers. Usually not manned. Wonder if some crew members were catching a ride?
helpers are manned, distributed power locomotives are not manned, the horse shoe curve is a steep climb up hill and trains need help just to the top so down at the bottom the helpers couple up and shove the trains up the hill. once they are high enough the helpers cut off while moving and drop back and return back down the hill to push the next one up.
@@focusfrenzy9759 couldn't have said it better
@@focusfrenzy9759 Got it. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
@focus frenzy is correct. look for the gray box on the rails of the helpers. if it has one, that's called "helper link" and is the system used to disconnect the manned helpers once done. if they don't have those gray boxes on the front rail of the engine, it's not helper link and probably won't be manned.
Hey Jaw tooth cool place a railfans dream. Im train buff big time . That trash train is only one I would not enjoy watching very smelly phew !!!!!. Have a great railroad day
Thanks for the view, stuck in FL...
Sorry to hear that
That place is the home of trains
I went there last year for my birthday really enjoyed it
Great Video Jaw Tooth
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I remember long before the incline the only way to get up there was steps (not concrete either). Once you got to the top you could see the K4. I went back many years later with my kids and the incline was shut down then too. Still didn’t feel the same.
Jaw Tooth love your videos be safe out there and please ware a mask
The time I was there every westbound had manned helpers and generally were 4 on the head end and 2 SD 40-2s/-3s shoving or Pulling on the head end then we'd see them going light back to Altoona
Jaw tooth and millennium force and the crew I hope to meet you guys someday maybe in Newark Ohio
(first) Great video, keep up the amazing train videos!
I rode around that curve the night of 10/28/76 on the way to Navy Boot Camp in Kenosha WI. I didn't see a thing because I was either drunk or it was dark out, possibly both.
At the end of the westbound intermodal train out of Altoona, there are what's called helper locomotives. Years ago, a train lost momentum going uphill on Horseshoe Curve and coasted backward until it derailed. That derailment led to the addition of helper locomotives to prevent similar incidents from happening in the future. The helper locomotives are from the Norfolk Southern shops in Altoona, but they only help westbound trains get up and around Horseshoe Curve. After helping the train get up and around the curve, the helpers decouple and return to the shops to help the next train. As always, the helper locomotives are at the rear end of the train, and in this case, it was NS 7231 and NS 7247 on the intermodal.
I slightly disagree. Helpers are also staged in Cresson and often attach to eastbound freight to assist with braking.
@@chrisperry1151 On one train years ago, a westbound train, the helpers at the rear had their work cut out for them when tunnel work stopped the train, forcing the train to start from a standstill and throttle up to notch 8 after a standing start. Those helpers were screaming, son. And as Brian (alias Jaw Tooth) would say "live action! Woo!"
Makes me wonder if the inclines in Pittsburgh are running. Man - you can hear those engines putting the power down! Very cool meet/race too :) One thought - how are your ears after a full day of track chatter? (steel squeal)
I missed you by a week! There is a brick there with my name on it.
Awesome! I go there every June
Good video I went up to the Horseshoe curve in October last 2019 good video
surface rust on unused rails is normal, once start being used wheels running on track will keep them clean.
Millennium Force!
Looks treacherous to walk all the way up on there Jaw. Awesome footage of the trains too man. Especially the long one at the beginning. The second one looked just as long too. I didnt see everyone wearing the masks either. Must have been optional and hot to those wearing them. This is awesome live action. I really enjoyed the video.
Pittsburgh has an incline that goes over the CSX line that is pretty interesting. A suggestion to check that out, but yeah cool video!
I put that on my list to check out. That looks really cool on Google Maps
I was there when conrail own it. Intermodal couldn't ho on the curve. Cause of the twin tunnel. Wish I could have seen it when prr had it with steam locomotives running
Made the trip to Horseshoe Curve about three years ago. Walked up but took the incline back down. It isn't that far to the top as the crow flys but thoe steps are long.
I absolutely love your videos and if you're looking for short lines/smaller trains try coming to Tarentum, PA as we have a local NS that runs 3 shifts. Ok back to the video son