Why did Sauron Create and Need the One Ring? | Lord of the Rings Lore | Middle-Earth
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- Why did Sauron create the One Ring? What powers did the Ring give him? And would Sauron have been better off, if he never created the Rings of Power? In this episode we explore the abilities of the One Ring and how it helped to empower Sauron and increase his influence across the lands of Middle-Earth.
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Hey guys I hope you enjoy this week’s video! As always subtitles are available and feedback is welcome! I’ll be covering Mordor next week since I had to delay it due to time constraints :)
So many of my favorite creators posting today.
Me thinking I was going to have a bad day.
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@@GeekZoneMT I really love your videos, though i sometimes already know the majority of the content of a video, for example this. Amazing work your doing, i left a more detailed feedback under one of your last videos.. i am currently in the process of creating german subtitles for the nazgul video, hope someday they get out and accepted by the community (no idea how subtitle-authorization works)
That's really nice of you man, I'll make sure they're accepted.
Danke schoen! 😁
I learned a lot now
Thank you Karl
It's interesting to me that by creating the ring, Sauron becomes more abstract as a character/concept. It's like he's a villainous being who separates himself into Evil and Power, knowing the two are ever connected. For me, Sauron, more than a being, is a manifestation of Evil. He's a focus for all that is or could become wrong in the world. Similarly, the Ring is a representation of that which tempts the weak. Power incarnate. And so by dividing his identity into Sauron and Ring, both aspects of the individual become more abstracted - more metaphorical - and therefore can endure forever. Because you can kill a being, but you can't kill Evil itself, nor put an end to Power.
Yeah. This can also be applied to Morgoth, for Tolkien wrote that the world of Arda could be seen as Morgoth's Ring, since he spread his evil throughout it.
(sorry for long comment i just have this on my mind and i need to get it of XD)
Only difference between Sauron and Morgoth (if we dont count in power difference) is that Morgoth was evil and Sauron was not. Sauron allied himself with Morgoth and wanted domimation over Middle earth because he wanted to enforce order, something he desires from his Mairon days. While Morgoth wanted to inslave everyone and rule middle earth out of jelousy and greed for power. Morgoth would most likely kill everyone except his slaves; numerous evil creatures. While Sauron would most likely inslave them and make them worship him as lord of the earth, thus achieving order. Easterlings, and men of the south would inhabit the west while orcs would be kept in Mordor or killed because their desire for war would mess with his order.
@@mislav3762 Good comment: thumb up. Law and order can be benevolent (Aragorn/King Elessar) or tyrannical (Sauron). Likewise, chaos can be liberty (Tom Bombadil) or destruction (Smaug). These examples are oversimplifications, of course. This is just a UA-cam comment, not a philosophical treatise, which I frequently find myself leaning dangerously toward and need to exercise a bit of restraint. It's getting late (early?) here and so, good night.
@@mislav3762 Sorry, but that statement is quite incorrect. Sauron and Morgoth were both evil. The difference is in what way they were evil. You are correct in saying that Sauron wanted order. But order doesn't necessarily mean not evil. I would say that being a totalitarian dictator is pretty evil in itself.
Morgoth on the other hand didn't want to enslave the world, he was a complete nihilist. He was jealous of Eru and wanted to create a world himself, but as Eru said, Melkor couldn't create anything that didn't had it's source in Eru himself. This is why he hated everything, even his own Orcs. If he would've been victorious, he would've annihilated even his slaves. After all, they did not have their source in him, he just corrupted Elves or Men (depending on which origin story you prefer) to create them.
@@stephensmith3111 I was thinking the same thing Geek Zone was thinking,.... (That Morgoth is a better representation of Evil since he is More Powerful and More ancient seeing as how He *DID* corrupt Elves and tranform them into Orcs, He also Created the Trolls in Mockery of Ents, and had Created Dragons, and Balrogs, among other fell beasts, creatures and such,... etc.)
a lich and its phylactery
It's possible that Sauron had learned from his master's mistakes. Morgoth dissipated his power by using it to corrupt Arda and its creatures, and by giving his twisted mockeries the power to reproduce themselves, and in so doing he diminished from being a force that even the Valar were daunted by, to beatable by them, to woundable by an elf. Sauron was very sparing with his power in the First Age, and so entered the Second Age undiminished, but he may have concluded that if he was going to take Morgoth's place then a tool which would allow him to retain and amplify his might would be a wise investment, and indeed necessary to exert the control he envisaged over the rulers and people of Middle Earth. He never envisaged that the Ring could be taken from him, let alone that any being would have the will to destroy it.
he was perhaps undiminished but but he might be afraid to repeat the mistakes of his former master. Morgoth was stonger and tryed to dominate by strengh and battle. Sauron was a more cunning personality from the start and his strategy during the second age reinforces that.
There's also a difference in motives to consider. Morgoth initially wanted to shape all things in his image but ultimately wanted to destroy everything when he failed in that, and his power works to slowly erode away creation; effectively he's the god of entropy. Sauron was perfectly content for creation to exist, but he wanted to rule it; in the beginning this was because he felt that order needed to be imposed for the good of all, but as time passed it became less about the good of others and more about dominating them. So they were starting from different places and working towards different goals.
@@davidandrews2972 I can see Morgoth working as a god of entropy but i dont think he wanted to destroy everything.. Both dark lord wanted to rule, to dominate. In that sense they were the same. That is why one of the greatest lessons i take from Tolkien is that imposing your will on others is one of the worst faults one can have.
Similarly, they both share a certain type of arrogance, one that i can undertand, to a certain extent. Melkor was indeed the greatest amost his peers. Sauron was a Maiar and above man, elves and dwarfs. Sauron had a chance to redeem himself. On the second age he shared his knowledge with the elves and with diferent choices could have been acepted as one of them, integrated in their society.
On the other hand Morgoth's way was almost sucessful. If the Valar had not entered the war directly, his victory would have been complete. He was already on the brink of destroying the last strongholds (and those who still stand surely would have followed in a few years, since Morgoth had a few jokers he had not already used like the flying dragons he used during the War against the Valar - and who even pushed back the gods for a time). To crate such being like Glaurung and Ancalagon could hardly see as misdirection...
@@goncaloferreira6429 I'm basing my comments on Morgoth's and Sauron's motives on what Tolkien's said in "Myths Transformed". Morgoth hated anything not of his own making, which is to say everything; Sauron wanted to dominate rather than destroy.
That's a good question. Why a ring? Why not a crown, or earring or glasses? _-because he lacks fashion sense-_
Joking aside. I think the use of a ring, of all things, was Sauron basically corrupting the virtues that it's represented such as love, loyalty and union. And turning into fear, obedience and control.
I love that interpretation!
Corrupting you’re thoughts
I am reminded of this MTV Movie awards skit ua-cam.com/video/mLLWgvLhYr0/v-deo.html
It was a ring (of power) and not a earing of power because when we come to think of power, it's most likely to hands that we think.
We can be open-handed (generous), rule with an iron fist (firmly ruling). When you fight, you'll most likely use your hands, not ears or eyes.
Furthermore, when you create something, you use your hands. And rings were originally made to heal, build, craft.
This is why, in my opinion, the ring of power are rings.
Wait, I thought in medieval times, rings were the tool to create seals on documents. You know the document was authorised when it was sealed by the dukes' ring etc. Wasn't ring always a symbol of power?
3:59 the illusion Sam gets from the ring was so tripppy:
His thought turned to the Ring, but there was no comfort there, only dread and danger. No sooner had he come in sight of Mount Doom, burning far away, than he was aware of a change in his burden. As it drew near the great furnaces where, in the deeps of time, it had been shaped and forged, the Ring's power grew, and it became more fell, untameable except by some mighty will. As Sam stood there, even though the Ring was not on him but hanging by its chain about his neck, he felt himself enlarged, as if he were robed in a huge distorted shadow of himself, a vast and ominous threat halted upon the walls of Mordor. He felt that he had from now on only two choices: to forbear the Ring, though it would torment him; or to claim it, and challenge the Power that sat in its dark hold beyond the valley of shadows. Already the Ring tempted him, gnawing at his will and reason. Wild fantasies arose in his mind; and he saw Samwise the Strong, Hero of the Age, striding with a flaming sword across the darkened land, and armies flocking to his call as he marched to the overthrow of Barad-dur. And then all the clouds rolled away, and the white sun shone, and at his command the vale of Gorgoroth became a garden of flowers and trees and brought forth fruit. He had only to put on the Ring and claim it for his own, and all this could be. In that hour of trial it was his love of his master that helped most to hold him firm; but also deep down in him lived still unconquered his plain hobbit-sense: he knew in the core of his heart that he was not large enough to bear such a burden, even if such visions were not a mere cheat to betray him. The one small garden of a free gardener was all his need and due, not a garden swollen to a realm; his own hands to use, not the hands of others to command. 'And anyway all these notions are only a trick, he said to himself.
@Michael S. tripppppppppppy
This is why hobbits has to carry the ring. They were the only ones who had no interest in power
People have to remember also he most likely would not even consider he could lose it until he did :) so putting power into something that was external was not a problem.
Robert Pettigrew he was basically hitler..
Dude just wanted to get married real bad. He decided to stop waiting for someone to propose and did the honours himself.
His Valentines :'(
GeekZone all he wanted was to be loved
@@chillinrunner "Till death do we Part" -Sincerely Your Dark Lord Sauron
(X"D) LOL!
He likes his bling.
that was the cringiest comment i've ever read.
I hope it's definitely gonna show the true lust of Sauron in the Amazon Series . I wanna be able to see and feel the difference when sauron doesn't have the ring and when he does when saurons making the ring. Like a reaction of power and thought like all the other people get in the books and movies . There is gonna have to be a lot of emotion in this scene . Basically pulling part of his spirit out and then puts it into the ring . He's got to have the master of greedy looks lol. I'm only guessing cause how many times we seen people in the hobbit or Lord of the rings have different reactions to the ring . Galadriel ,Bilbo , Frodo , Sam , Gandalf , Aragorn , Boromir , Faramir , Gollum/Smeagol , and others . But Sauron has to have the award winning look and reaction when he feels the ring is finished . Since its his . Which I can't wait to see . I'm too impatient . They didn't 100% say it that it's gonna be in the show but I'm too positive that this scene is gonna be in it . And it should be one of the most important scenes ever in the show . It would make the war of the last alliance scene feel more powerful in lord of the rings on how much the ring means to him .
Yeah I agree! For the series to work, the role and character of Sauron must be written extremely well :)
@@GeekZoneMT I hope Tom Shippey can help them out alot and of course from the inspiration of the Peter Jackson films too. This sounds too good to be true . Hopefully it doesn't end up going badly . Been waiting for nearly 3 years for this and so did a lot of other people . Hopefully they make it right and exciting just like Petes films . I forgot to subscribe . Here's an extra sub 😆😆😆
Well since you mention the Ring, Sauron and the Billion Dollar LoTR Amazon Series, They did show a Map of Middle Earth in the Second Age and when Numenor was was still around. So I'm assuming based off the Timline that we could not only see him Forge the Rings of Power AND the One Ring, but see Him corrupt The NINE (;D)! Some even say the Witchking Could've been the Corrupted King of Numenor ;)! Can you imagine the creepy scene of Sauron and The remnants of The Corrupted King of Numenor/ The Witchking (:/)?
Seeing Sauron's Forging of The One Ring, and The Nine would give us greater insight as to How the rings of power functioned and Corrupted people's minds.
They did mention that the Series would lead up to The War of the Last Alliance (;D)
So throughout it we should witness The Forging of the One Ring, and Rings of power as well as Celebrimbor being tricked, and the Nine Kings of men become corrupted through Sauron and The One (;D)
Amazon means business though, they've already begun filming in New Zealand (where Middle Earth has been Filmed) and they've also already invested 250Mil (1/4 Billion Dollars :/) for the Rights from the Tolkien Estate, and have mentioned they would have a budget of APPROXIMATELY 330Mil Dollars (1/3 of a Billion Dollars :/).
So realistically Amazon's already spent a good part of a Billion Dollars into this series (:0) .... for Both our sakes they better give us what we want without breaking Lore if they know what's good for them... because I don't think they'd be that stupid to *Waste* a Billion Dollars. Which is why I believe that this series has Great Potential, and thus equally a Difficult task ahead of them (:/)!
If this series is successful I hope we get to see a Series based on The War of the Dwarves and Orcs, the 1st Age, The War of Wrath, as well as other tales from the Silmarillion (:D) ... (The Tale of Beren and Luthien would be a GREAT Show/Movie for a Valentines day in the Future, seeing as how J.R.R. Tolkien and his wife are Burried side by side with the Initials Beren and Luthien on their Tombstones :")
@@AlexLopez-vm7uq oh believe me I knew about the Second Age thing happening . I'm just worried if they don't do certain scenes right . I'm very excited for the witch king and the rest of the Nazgul and Sauron and more . I'm just hoping Amazon does the Second Age justice . This ain't gonna be easy to write . Sure they don't have to worry about massive amounts of books and lines but that means they have to do alot of slightly role playing . Since the only information about the second is it goes by hundreds of hundreds of years . Which I'm worried about that . Since in the appendices and the Silmarillion . Since like the creation of the rings and Nazgul and the War of the Last Alliance are like over a thousand years apart . Which I'm hoping they have extra scenes that aren't in the books that will make more sense . Like for more scenes they're gonna have to maybe even have a scene for one by one showing each man turning into a Ringwraith . Make up the rest of the Nazguls identities. Hopefully it'll all work out in the end . It would be cool if they're following channels like Geekzone or Men of the West to help them out with the years and stuff . That would be a smart decision .
@@AlexLopez-vm7uq also the problem is they never gave up licences for the 1st Age so they can't do nothing about that ......yet. I'm hoping they might get the courage to let Amazon do the War of Wrath and other stuff in the First Age if this show does an amazing job . I want something professional done from the First Age so badly . Morgoth , Gothmog ,Glaurung, Ancalogon , seeing orcs and Trolls being made for the first time and how Sauron learnt from that. And of course how Morgoth made the Dragons and Balrogs . That would be sick . I want to see a scene in the Second Age TV show on how Sauron learnt to make so many Orcs and Black Uruks at once . It would make sense . If we look back at Lord of the Rings again and see all those orcs coming to Minas Tirith we'll know how he was able to create them largely and fast . And also maybe showing how he made the fell beasts for the Nazgul . They may have been showed in the Third Age doesn't mean he didn't recruit or make them in Second . There are no records of them being there or when they were created . They could've been in hiding cause for god sakes Morgoth kept Balrogs and Dragons hiding for hundreds of years . I'm not sure how the hell he was able to keep Ancalagon the Black that quite for that long . He's the biggest winged fire drake to ever exist in Middle Earth . Lol and yet he was kept hidden . It would make sense that Sauron somehow kept them in hiding .
If he managed to ensnare the wearers of the elven rings, his One Ring scheme would have been a slam dunk; his best work since the drowning of Nümenor.
Without that, it was still a success. It spread an appreciable amount of mayhem across middle earth.
It was a very safe gamble. So much to gain with very little chance of defeat.
ehhhh......the Drowning of Neumenor wasn't exactly a slam dunk. Convincing the Nuemenorians to assault the Valar, YES. Getting bitch-slapped to the bottom of the ocean by Eru and only surviving because of the One Ring, not so much.
He'd already functionally won, so the drowning of Neumenor wasn't really a victory, it was a massive loss since he'd also convinced them to worship him as Morgoth Returned and would've been a perfect place to work backwards to dominate the rest of the Middle Earth, which he lost when he lost Neumenor and had to start all over again from scratch and even less power than he started with.
Yeah, and if my lottery ticket had different numbers I'd be rich. 'If' isn't worth much. The elves took the rings off immediately, his plan wasn't even close to a success
I think that he was just slightly to power hungry, but he could not have let any other being have that sort of might. It was a impossible task to manage.
The only content i enjoy in the whole youtube, thank you, keep it up man .
Much appreciated brother!
Sauron, as mentioned repeadedly, a) thought he would never loose the ring and b) taking this in his eyes very, very small risk to gain a power-multiplier. So why not taking the chance?
For shits and giggles of course why else.
That makes him even more diabolical
@@GeekZoneMT He was a true mad lad he will be missed.
Dave Vd
all hail the lord Sauron!
@@imnotsofunny824 -GROND- *HAIL* !
i'm still w8ing a gaming channel about middle earth universe from you :)) great video
It's in the works ;)
To answer your question. Let's remember that while he ultimately always lost in the west, he did in fact rule much of Middle-earth for a long while, taking the titles of the Lord of the Earth and the King of Men. Without the rings, he might not have been able to gather all the men of the east and south and some of the west under his rule in the Second Age. And without that legacy, he wouldn't have had such large areas open for his influence in the Third Age. So his rule perhaps wouldn't have been as spectacular. Perhaps he would have remained a regional power, like Morgoth in fact was during the First Age, besieged by the Noldor in Angband. Or perhaps he would have become - more to his style - a wicked influencer behind the mortal realms through other means, as a great sorcerer and a cultist perhaps. If so - would his enemies in the west have moved against him in similar way? Would the elves and men have allied against him? Would the Valar have sent the wizards to oppose him? Would he have been tolerated, had he quenched his ambition and contended with staying an evil presence in the east? Perhaps. But I think not for ever. Sooner or later either Eru or the Valar would have decided that the men must be freed of his influence.
i fell he was essentially trying a diferent strategy during the second age. After witnessing the wrath of the valar and the fall of Morgoth he tryed a more subtle aproach.
The last part of your post is tricky. It does seem the valar cared more about the man of the west and less about the easterlings. That is not a very godly thing is it?
@@goncaloferreira6429 The Valar have indeed made many mistakes in the past, and much of what has went wrong has been because of their imperfection as beings and therefore the failures and bias in their judgement. They themselves came to see some of those mistakes, and tried to make up for them.
One of their failings was letting Men in general live in ignorance and darkness, under the influence of Morgoth and Sauron. Another was getting too hands-on with the Elves and Men, especially inviting the Elves into Valinor in the first place. These mistakes influenced the future history, but the history also course-corrected itself in ways not chosen by the Valar.
It sort of happened on its own, not out of the device of the Valar but because of the deeds of the Elves (especially Noldor), that the divine knowledge and freedom of minds from Morgoth was concentrated among the cultures on the north-western coasts of Middle-earth. The human cultures there learnt from the Elves, and further spread this influence; especially the Númenorians. It was then in a sense natural the Valar would interact more with the cultures that already were prone to asking or hoping them for help, and not interacting with cultures that thought of them as enemies. Remember that the Valar aren't supposed to use force against the Elves and Men, but to respect their free will. It was because of the mistakes of the Valar that the eastern Men were opposed to them, but now that it was a fact, they had to respect it.
So later on the road, with the past history already happened and its effects felt, they took the different approach of sending the Wizards to help Men take a stand against Sauron themselves. Five wizards were sent, three of which immediately went east to help there the people who were rebelling against Sauron. One of them, Saruman, later left east and came west, and there joined Gandalf, whose sort of area west had been since the beginning. Tolkien was first doubtful if how well the "eastern wizards" Alatar and Pallando did, but later in his life came to the conclusion that they were very succesfull and managed to help many eastern peoples free themselves from Sauron.
So, to answer your question of did the Valar care about the people of the west more... no, I wouldn't say so. The Valar love Eru's creation even when it is fallen. But let's say the people of the west care more about the Valar than the people of the east do, and so the Valar and the western people interact more. It's kind of a case where imperfect parents manage to have relatively good relationship with some of their children - partially out of luck rather than skill in parenting - but ruin their relationship with some of their other kids, and have to live with that mess.
@@AnnaMarianne hum, acepting that the valar/gods are faulted is kind of hard for me.
Coming out of the pages and into our own world we might see that the favouring of the people of west of middle earth was an intentional decision made by Tolkien.
I do not believe the people of other parts of Middle earth were oppsed to the valar because of anything they did directely. Rather that was so because Melkor and his influence pointed them that way and because the Valar didnt bother in revealing themselves to them, as a counterpoint to Melkor´s darkness.
They sent the blue wizzards east but ultimately that was done to late. The valar made the same mistake as in the first age, they let the dark spread too far before intervening.
With all that said, i wish Tolkien would have had the time to explore the East. So muchpotential there, so many stories to be told.
@@goncaloferreira6429 Tolkien himself said that 1) the Valar made mistakes and 2) acknowledged them later and tried to make up for them. Read Morgoth's Ring and the philosophical discussion in it.
Remember, Tolkien's world view was Catholic Christian, and this heavily influenced his writing. The Valar are created beings, therefore, they're not to be seen the same way as the Judeo-Christian God is seen in Judaism and Christianity. They're not omnipresent, omniscient or omnipowerful. Nor are they perfect in both love and justice.
Also, I didn't say that the Valar did something evil to turn the people of the east against them. Rather, they were too inactive and passive. This is acknowledged in the text of the Silmarillion. They failed to send emissaries into the east when the Men were born. Instead, depending on the story version either Morgoth or Sauron did go there. This caused the first Men to fall under dark influence early on.
As for what are Tolkien's intentions or attitudes from some hidden point of view that he didn't disclose in his writing, I won't start guessing. It's unfair to any person to put more into their mouth than what they said, and all the more so with a dead person who can't answer back or defend himself.
@@goncaloferreira6429 I might add that Tolkien discussed this very topic of west-centrism somewhere, though I can't remember where it was. Anyhow, he wrote that from the in-universe point of view, the military opposition against Morgoth and Sauron mostly happened in the geographical west due to the historical fact that migration in the world of Middle-earth tended to happen from east to west.
The very first of these immigrations was the Valar immigrating out of Middle-earth into Valinor. So they were now located to the west of the latter lands of the Elves and Men. Therefore, when the Elves were born into the darkness of Middle-earth, they immigrated westward, towards Valinor.
Some of them passed into West, some of them stayed on the nortwestern coastal areas. Those who passed over gained great wisdom and power from the Valar. Those who stayed gained some from Melian, who had come to visit Middle-earth from the West. The effect of this was, that those who lived in the western areas were more "Valinor-influenced".
This influence grew markedly greater when the Noldor returned from Valinor to Middle-earth. There they, once again, arrived to and settled on the lands closest to Valinor.
Men meanwhile had heard - perhaps from the lingering Elves of the east - of the Valar of the west. And so those of them who wanted to forsake the darkness started immigrating westward. There they found the Valinor-influenced Noldor and Sindar, and through them, became Valinor-influenced themselves.
These western Men would then go on to form Númenor, and there, become even more Valinor-influenced. And then they would spread this influence across the other Men of Middle-earth.
Frankly, it's rather straightforward socio-geography and cultural history.
It might be added that the reason why the great battles and stories took place in the western lands was this same. Because Valinor was geographically located to the west of Middle-earth, which first Morgoth and then Sauron wanted for his own, and because the Valar and the Valinor-influenced cultures were their greatest opponents, both Angband and Mordor were built in the west, as fortresses and places of power against these western enemies. Angband was originally a side fortress of Utumno, built to guard Morgoth's realm against any attack from Valinor. So the Noldor settled around it to besiege it. And while Mordor was also chosen because of the active volcano in it, Mount Doom couldn't have been the only volcano in Middle-earth. Mordor was also chosen to be within practical engaging distance from Sauron's chief enemies, with whom he wished to battle, if other means wouldn't help him into power over them.
Is it also possible that he created it to prevent being cast off into the void like Morgoth? Since most his power was concentrated in a physical thing if ot was left on middle earth and his being was cast into the void could he find a way to come back?
I would like to hear about plots that Tolkien left unfinished, etc some of the more missalanous parts
I'll do my best to include such topics in future polls :)
You should buy Unfinished Tales by Tolkien then
blue wizards.....
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It was a bit more complicated than that. The Elves had ALL the rings at the time Sauron made and wore his own, so their quick thinking in removing their three was actually a bit of a setback for Sauron and he ended up attacking their lands to get as many rings as he could.
He made off with 16, and it's only then that he distributes them amongst Dwarves and Men, and the Dwarves resisted due to in-built racial stubbornness, although they were still at least taken out of the game as the rings as least corrupted them by making them greedy. Only then did the nine rings given to Men actually do the job and start enslaving their wearers to the will of the One.
where do you get the info from? all videos on the rings say that Sauron has created the rings with the help of the elf (?) whom he tricked or something, and then he bound the rings with his own ring and gifted them
@@bdufka That doesn't contradict what I said
I thought the 16 rings were made specifically for the men and dwarves and not hand-me-downs, as it were.
Thank you for another brill' vid. Creating the one ring was definitely a good insurance for Sauron . Especially because he invested much of his power into it.
In that way, as we saw in the L.O.T.R the ring strove to get back to it's master at all cost. It seems that above all Sauron imbued the ring with high doses of self deception, deceit and self betrayal. Like a a drug, the ring would lead the wearer to self destruction. Even the most well meaning person could be
betrayed by the ring, as it accentuated their qualities into monstrous yet negative proportions. The ring also guaranteed to some extent, Sauron could be resurrected through the ring's power.
What if Lobelia Sackville-baggins got the ring? You know, slipped into his home when he was out having a walk and snooped around and found it.
Oh, you forgot to mention that the original ring ploy was partially succesfull not only against the Men, but also against Elves and Dwarves. Though Sauron couldn't enslave them to his will, he could destroy or compromise their kingdoms. The Dwarven kings in possession of the 7 Rings were driven mad by gold lust and their realms came to ruin. And the Elven Rings became the founding power of Rivendell and Lórien, making them extremely vulnerable to Sauron, would he ever recover the One Ring.
0:28 being naked while forging the Ring of Power.
Sure why not
Yeah, because gold never spatters and gives deep scarring burns...
Goldfinger lol
The Ring is just one mega Horcrux.
Yes except the horcrux were inspired by the ring not viceversa 😂
Nice video, but it always irks me when fanart depicts Annatar as this omniously smirking, shifty eyed death metal solist. "Would this face of a meth addict lie to you?"
Let's say they're depictions of his inner monologues ;)
Yes.
Both male elves and annatar are decribed by Tolkein as being very fair in appearance , that does not mean effeminate as is commonly depicted.
They should be depicted as the living embodiment of Masculinity kind of like Hercules.
@@popcharlie That too. But if the whole point of Sauron taking the form of Annatar is to fool the Elves into believing he's an emissary sent from Valinor and a real honest guy with totally benign intentions, AND the Elves of Eregion fell for it, you'd think him to have the most angelic, innocent, gentle face imaginable. More in line with the concept art for Annatar by the LotR movie design team.
@@popcharlie Nah man, that's Tulkas.
@@AnnaMarianne "Hey man, if I give ye some coke, will ye fight some gods? Trust me, just take some of me coke and you'll definitely see how that'll turn out great."
Joking aside, yeah, one would think that Annatar would be the kind of person that makes hearts melt with a smile, not make people shriek when he enters the room.
*☼ fascinating. externalizing power may be required to exert influence on the world; but then that power is imbued, and youre left reliant, & vulnerable, from where it falls and the path it takes.* gr8 vid.
It was inevitable that he would forge the One Ring. He was just type of guy. Great video.
This channel is so great, I just love the insight it provides and the articulate and eloquent way in which it is delivered. I even play some of the videos to my children, who are recently new to the trilogy and have become huge fans.
Beautiful video, man! I enjoy looking for deeper meaning when reading Tolkien, so I appreciated the final bit where you went over his symbolism between the ring and one's potential. I look forward to your Mordor video.
Thanks Taylor! I love digging deeper into Tolkien's philosophies, he had so many fascinating ideas.
Nice vid, and good explanation. :)
I'm not sure I know enough about Middle-Earth's lore to wisely judge whether or not Sauron would've been better off without the Ring - obviously, it ultimately brought about his final downfall when it was destroyed in Mount Doom, but if Sauron had never forged the Ring, then his downfall could've occurred a lot earlier (considering how much the Fall of Numenor damaged Sauron's spirit, I imagine that could have been Sauron's final defeat if he hadn't created the Ring).
Very well thought out video. Striking in this POV, how Sauron and the Sith from Star Wars parallel.
I have never seen/read Lord of the rings, now I know I most definitely should! Thanks man!
From Sauron's perspective I think it was worth the risk for two reasons. First, as stated in this video, I think Sauron's own hubris would prevent him from even envisioning a scenario where someone else gained the one ring let alone anyone who would dream of contriving a plan to destroy it. Secondly, the power it granted him would allow him nearly effortlessly to dominate and direct the future of all of Middle Earth. It fits perfectly with Sauron's character.
I would not discuss so much into whether it was a good idea for Sauron to pour the majority of his strength into the One, as to surmise that it is the only way he would take to attain greater prowess & control. Such is the lust for limitless power…
Great overview. I learned a few things I did not know. And the artwork is cool. I hope Malta is having great weather.
Thanks Andrew! The weather's great, bit too sunny 😂
GeekZone I feel sorry for you from our 22 degrees (Fahrenheit). 🥶
Could you do a review on the LOTR and Hobbit Trilogies (movies) and tell us your opinion on their quality?
I'm really interested in your opinion.
It was Sauron's endgame. Win or Lose he put it all on the table. His odds of losing were so slim. He had 4 Aces. The Fellowship had a Royal Flush. Simple as that.
Michael S. trying to tell people how to type is pointless. there’s absolutely no sense in being a grammar nazi if you still understood the person’s point. don’t you have anything better to do?
thank you for explaining this.. i'm always wonder why by destroying the ring would also destroying the Eye (Sauron).. so that is why :D
I believe the reason the One Ring had power over the 7 and the 9, but not the 3, was that the latter were made without Sauron's direct contribution and/or the fact that he never got hold on them after their creation. Remember that it was Sauron who gave the 7 to the dwarves and the 9 to Men. By that point those rings were already controlled by Sauron and the One, whereas he never got the chance to directly influence the 3.
What I wanna know is if soran and his arms were so powerful I come they always lost? And why didn't the valor get involved and help stop him?
Since he helped make the others, did Sauron leave part of himself in those lesser rings? I’m curious what it was about the other rings that Sauron could backdoor the wearers mind. I'm thinking it has to do with the spirit world itself.
He did it for melkor, the one true dark lord
Hollowknight music in the background, nice
Excellent narration, my friend... 😎🇺🇸
If a maiar ring can drive you mad and never even try to scratch it then imagine how powerful a valair ring would be
Valar doesn't know the dark magic
@@_semih_ morgth was a valar
As powerful as all ill in all of existence can be. That's why everything harmful to life from freezing cold to searing heat bore the signature of Morgoth, the enemy of everything.
Me: hears Hollowknight music in background
Ah I see you are a man of culture
I’ve always thought it was dumb of Sauron to create the Ring. Huge oversight on his part. I mean, even Sauron was dependent on the one Ring!
I mean, he was borderline invulnerable and this gambit had almost no chance of biting him in the ass.
I read the silmarillion a long time ago so I'm not 100% sure. But I could swear the elven rings where never vulnerable to being influenced by the one ring. They were forged like that behind suaron's back. Actually, the elven rings where constantly in the fingers of three protectors. One of them the lady from the forest (galadriel?). So if they were like the other rings, then the protectors would have become like the nazgul a long time ago
I recall (maybe wrongly) the Elven rings were made using the same art as the other rings -- not made by Sauron, as the rings of Men and Dwarves were, but by elves using the same science or spells. By their nature, the Elven rings were vulnerable to the one ring which was always intended to control other rings and their bearers. While Sauron wore the ring, the Elven rings had to be kept off their hands and hidden. When Sauron was separated from the ring at the end of the second age, the rings could be worn and used, but even so were kept secret and their wearers stayed watchful, because the one was known to exist somewhere.
One of the magor reasons that made Sauron create the One Ring is to survive the fading of magic in the middle earth. The same reason also why the Elves had to leave.
Analogous to Horcruxes in Harry Potter. Cool.
Awesome a new video, this help stem my the crippling loneliness 😂
@GeekZone can you do a video on "Why didn't Saruman take Narya from Gandalf after he imprisoned him on the spire of Orthanc?"
Or a what if video on the same subject.
Thanks! Love your work, one of my favorite channels!
i think it was a good Idea. Evil Creaters bowed to his Mind and Will anyway, with or without the Ring. But as you explained, for him to dominate the Elven-Rings (he never touched them), he needed this powerful tool.
btw. i am not sure, but the fall of numenor (on the Island in the Sea) happend, before Sauron was forging the Rings with Celebrimbor in Eregion, i think. Or am i mixing up something here? I think: Fall of Numenor -> Elendil, Isildur and Anarion arrive at Middle Earth -> Forging of the Rings of Power -> Saurons first Fall.
Great video... quite informative
Excellent job kudos!
My favorite Hollow Knight song be used in this vid, thumbs up!
Beautifully done, thank you.
Best way to start the weekend! Love the video! Awesome!
Amazingly cool video man, thanks.
And thus, in the end... Greed was greed's own destruction.
I think that you should mention that creatures like hobbits were slightly less influenced by the ring because of their natural humility and unassuming nature. This made it possible for Frodo to fight his way into mount doom and almost have the will to destroy the ring.
what about Smeagol?
I love these lotr channels,also your nazgûl video is so awsome,they are way more powerfull then i expected lol
Great lore video! Thank you!
Once again another great video! Isn’t what he did called Thaumaturgy?
Probably just trying tae give himself more power over others. The whole giving him more power and the making him more or less impossible tae permanently kill were both just happy little side effects which he was quick tae exploit.
Yea it was incredible hard any thing else would have failed much faster than Sauron.
I believe that he was the most powerful creature in middle earth. Even without the ring. Such incredible power no one could ever fathom about thus not even j.j.r Tolkien himself.
Power corrupts and corruption seeks power. We have a closed loop system here. Like a ring.
thank you
He knew that if he died he would have to answer to a bigger power so he transferred his soul into an object that was immune to everything so he could live forever in middle earth.
I hear and have read wide ranging estimates as to how much of Sauron's power he actually invested into the One Ring. Everything from he invested a "portion" of himself into the ring to your claim that he placed a "majority" of his power into the ring. I tend to think it was significantly less than a majority of his powers. When one looks at the power he seems to have gained by the time of the War of the Ring it would seem to me he had to have retained a good portion of his own power within himself after forging the One RIng...but that's just me.
I always are that horcruxes are off brand substitute to one ring, 7 of them gived tom 16 years, but one ring kept Sauron around for over an age and it grants superpowers :p
Great work as always 😊👍
The failure to control the Dwarven kings becomes more and more fascinating when realizing that even the elves were limited in the use of their rings. The Dwarven kings suffered ill-effects of their rings, but it doesn't not seem like this was all that the Dark Lord had intended for their rings. This also makes me want to explore more fully the true inception of the elven rings. Was the Dark Lord the initial inception of those rings, or did he come to see that the rings were a natural progression of where Celebrimbor and the other smiths were taking their skill & art? Did the Dark Lord fear that if Celebrimbor could make the Elfstone Elessar (or the copy) & the Doors of Durin, that Celebrimbor would make things (rings) that would limit or prevent his plans of dominance, and so came as Annatar to guide where this inevitable conclusion would end up? Was it somewhat of a spoiling attack?
0:50 Walking onto a shoddy wooden balcony made by orcs in full plate armour. Alright, my headcanon is Sauron was an idiot with insane luck.
I feel like the possibility of Morgoth returning and taking everything he had worked so hard for was always a worry for him.
It would explain why Sauron would have done something so drastic as putting a majority of his power into the ring. He wanted to dominate the minds of elves and men, whilst also enhancing his own power.
According to comparative mythologist Joseph Campbell, beings which are difficult to destroy because they have hidden (usually) their heart in a secret place is a very common and recurring theme in myths. This is similar to Sauron's ring. The ring represents Sauron's weakness which must be destroyed so that Sauron can be destroyed.
ok so, here is why i think why sauron mainly made the one ring. he made it because so he wont lose more and more power like morgoth did in the first age. Morgoth put so much of his powers into the armies and into the land itself and the more he did it the more he became weaker, he couldnt just slip the power back on like sauron could with the one ring. but thats my theory, sauron basically mainly created the one ring so he wont lose more and more power like his master did which lead to his defeat.
By the way sometimes I wonder if it was really sure that Sauron could not come back after the destrcution of the ring. Was it not so that Gandalf on one point said that Sauron would fall and that nobody could know if he would be able to rise ever again? So even he seems not be sure...
Can you make e video explaining the elven rings and like why gandolf canwear it without getting corrupted?
You know how Sauron could have ensured his victory, or at least his survival no matter what? As I understand, the Ring can only be unmade at Mt. Doom. As in, they can't just use any other volcano (if there are any in Arda) or molten magma.
Choice 1: Make it go dormant forever. He's basically a Smithing God's Fallen Angel who is bound to it, so he could make all the lava dry up. Unless Eru itself light the thing up again, the Fellowship is screwed. But in case that is a bit too much for Sauron, there's...
Choice 2: Seal the fucking corridor (Sammarth Naur, I think) he used to forge the thing in the first place. That things makes things WAAY too easy. Anyone wants to destroy the ring? Try climbing up all the way to the top of that Mt. Everest's Badass Older Brother before dropping dead from exhaustion and heat, or the Nazgul flying in to munch on them. The only real way would be the Eagles, and they would never be able to sneak in.
Seriously, imagine Elrond trying to convince Isildur to climb up that thing.
Isildur: Yeah, no, pointy ears. Not even Eru is gonna make me climb THAT far!
Purely subjective on my part, but I thought the One Ring was meant to serve as an anchor to MIddle Earth. Sauron's master, Morgoth was locked away in the Void for his crimes by the Valar. He could not return without their approval and aid. But, if his chief servant was to learn anything from his experience, they needed an insurance policy if Sauron was ever locked in the Void as well. With the One Ring possessing Sauron's essence, he could never be truly locked away from Middle Earth because the ring would always be there and have dominion over the other rings that would be used. So long as Sauron was present even in the form of the One Ring, Morgoth could work through him and thus circumvent the will of the Valar.
i wish tolkien was alive and completed and published "the new shadow"... im all for dark stuff
If Frodo used the Ring of Power for evil, we could call him ‘Ring Sting’.
That could also be his heavy metal name
With their hit song "It's sticky"
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Boil, mash them stick them in a stew.
Maybe a good idea to guard mt doom just in case? Maybe like a door or something.
My question is: why put most of his power in something that is so easily lost. Why not imbue his power in his armor, or in the tower of Mordor?
the reckless warlock I think it’s because the ring was something that could corrupt the minds of people with more ease, and it was also easier for it to return to its former master. For example when the ring slipped out of Isildur’s hand, an armor wouldn’t have been able to do that, thus leaving Isildur with the power of Sauron until he willingly took it off. Also, if Smeagol was to find it (the theoretical power armor), he probably wouldn’t be interested, because he had no interest in fighting.
What’s the picture at 2:43? Is that actually supposed to be Sauron reforming after his body was destroyed in the fall of numenor?
great video
I love that you used Hollow Knight´s music at the end of the video.
when batman and sauron merge into one: 2:29
Swear to me.
Hey GeekZone why did sauron not turn invisible while he he had the ring on him.
Plz include this in you’re next video
Hey Shuja, I've already covered that question :) Here's a link to the video ua-cam.com/video/6xetvbUoGIA/v-deo.html
@GeekZone I have an odd idea about why Sauron created it. It is just a thought experiment, but bare with me. When Melkor was imprisoned and Sauron was free, I think he had the thought that he(Sauron) could replace Melkor. It is kinda like the Christian bible story of when Lucifer questioned the power of God. Lucifer was banished because God is jealous. Keeping that in mind, because of his taint or touch on Sauron, Melkor knew Sauron's intentions and was jealous. Therefore, Melkor influenced (somehow) Sauron to create the One Ring which would lead to his(Sauron) demise.
It seems the video is unclear on the fact that Sauron giving Rings of Power to Men & Dwarves was a fall back plan, after the Elves perceived his plan and intent when he put on the One Ring for the first time. Sauron had no idea about the Three Rings until he made the One Ring and became aware of the Three, as Celebrimbor made the Three in secret, largely of his own imagining. He had to make war on the Elves of Eregion to obtain the Seven Rings and the Nine, but could not find the Three.
what if he did that to also teether himself to the physical world? that would explain why his power would ebb away and making the ring a necessary evil for his physical existence
Why was it apparently so easy for Isildur to cut the ring from Sauron's finger when his already strong power was so much enhanced by it?
That was the film on the book he did that after sauron had died
Any chance you will ever made a video about how Isildur was able to defeat Sauron, when he was at tthe peak of his power, wielding the one Ring? Being able to cut his finger wouldn't have been just a lucky strike, wouldn't it?
So to simplify for myself the relationship between the ring and Sauron is essentially like a super computer creating an equally powerful USB with all of its data moved to into that USB? Or is it more complicated than that?
More complicated that that.
As long as the Ring exists and serves Sauron, his power remains intact and undiminished. However when he actually has the Ring on his person, his powers of domination are magnified as that's what the ring was designed to do.
However, if someone of sufficient power/will managed to acquire and bend the Ring to their will, Sauron would be undone instantly, just the same as the Ring being destroyed, since all of it's power would now be serving it's new master and since sauron lost most of his original remaining power when Eru bitch slapped him at Neumenor, the power that is still being transmitted to him by the ring is the only reason he keeps being able to come back. And without the ring, he'd shatter back into the diminished impotent shadow that remained of him after Eru got done with him.
If the Elven Rings weren't part of the plan; if Celebimbor made them after Sauron left to make the One, back in Mordor, how did Sauron know how much of hus essence would be needed to overpower them? Various sources also like to fluctuate wildly how strong or weak some characters are, at different times; Galadriel is a wonderful example of this since lots of people seem to like to think she could just spank Sauron, Saruman, and other beings of an at least slightly higher station. Would Sauron gave actually had the strength of dominance to control her, Gil-Galad, AND Cirdan? Were all the other elves so loyal that they wouldn't have seen the taint, and refused to follow? It didn't work on the dwarf lords, and it's a rare day anyone actually says they are superior to the Firstborn in some way.
When the One Ring WAS destroyed, where did THAT Sauron go? One would almost think it would want to reunite with the other part, and they'd reform. He might still be weakened, but maybe not permanently unformed. It just seems weird that, in this way, spirit could be "destroyed". If a shatter a cup, the drink inside isn't affected, and Fea is a powerful thing.
Last thing; did Celebimbor have to "give anything" to make his Rings? He and Feanor seemed to get to create true marvels of craft, and seem no worse for it. Maybe the inspiration was gone; they couldn't "make perfection" again, but nothing like Sauron or Melkor permanently diminishing themselves seems to have happened here.
It's a normal misconception that Sauron would become an overpowered warrior if he retrieved the One Ring. The One Ring's power was adjusted to its bearer. For Sauron, this was dominating others. The Elves would have to give up all they had in Middle-Earth if he retrieved the one, as their elven rings were bound to the one. The real issue if Sauron retrieved his ring, was that there was no way the free peoples could now defeat him. However; the one ring would have a massive influence on his followers, enhancing his domination.
Hmm I would have to disagree regarding his power though. The Ring would have certainly augmented this, both directly, and indirectly through his servants and minions (For example we're told that during the War of the Ring the Nazgul's strength was a fraction of what it would be if Sauron had to reclaim the Ring).
@@GeekZoneMT Yes I agree that the One Ring would have a massive influence, but it didnt really matter at this point as the free peoples were weak anyways, do you get my point?
It had such great power it was a multitool in his toolbox.
Yeah no, the ring of power works in proportion to how powerful the wielder of it is. The more powerful you are the more powerful it makes you. That's why Gandalf refuses to carry the ring, he is a miara demigod incarnated into the form of an old man, if he had the one ring he would be far more powerful than even Sauron at his peak could ever hope to be. That's why Frodo the hobbit was ring bearer, Hobbit's are simple and hardy but they are very weak in terms of Divine or mystical might basically having none, so the ring is less than useless because all it can do for them is turn them invisible by partly shifting them into the astral world, which makes it easier for the likes of the Nazgul to track them down.
Lore of Middle-Earth also the ring doesn't grant specialized powers it can only enhance powers you already have, Sauron already had mind control and domination powers, but through the one ring and the rings of power he'd be able to spread that power farther and more completely than he ever could have before, especially after having to reconstitute himself from the last time he fought against another being that could harm him
The One Ring was basically (using Harry Potter terms) a horcrux, while the ring still survived Sauron couldn't truly die.
Yeah they're both Liches. Look it up, it's from Dungeons and Dragons (which I know came out after LOTR, but before Harry Potter).
I'm a bit curious here, if the Ring itself was with Saruon when he was imprisoned in Numenor, why didn't any of the kings try and take it for thesemlves and try and dominate Middle Earth with it (or even use it for extra power to make a go at the Undying Lands)? Also, if he had it when Numenor sunk, how did the Ring avoid ending up at the bottom of the ocean or even lost forever?
Sauron left the one ring in mordor when he was captured
only watching the movies, I always thought, that the power of the ring was to control the other rings, but then I kept just thinking that now that they know he is back and Frodo has the ring, just take off the rings that could be controlled and problem resolved ;/ I also didn't understand why the hobbits didn't share the "weight" of the ring, and carry it for few days at a time. at least in the movie, it's not like Frodo or Bilbo are special, except that they are hobbits. But then again, Smeagol was a hobbit also, and he killed for the ring within minutes of finding it! it just doesn't add up ;/
So i thinking Rowling got the idea of horcruxes from the one ring