The DARK TRIAD: tracking wolves in our midst
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Understanding the Dark Triad can help us navigate mysteriously troubled relationships in all spheres of life. Psychologists coined the term to describe a trifecta of malevolent personality traits: narcissism, machiavellianism, and psychopathy. Although less sinister than any one full-blown personality disorder, it still affects the soul plagued by it and those in reach of its host.
Narcissism has become a widely-discussed topic, often misused to describe anyone who is frustrating or displeasing. At its core, narcissism is a soul-sickness, with individuals exhibiting entitlement, devaluation of others, and a lack of empathy. They suffer deep self-esteem wounds, alienation from their true selves, and an inability to connect with others.
Machiavellianism is inspired by the strategies in Niccolò Machiavelli’s famous book, The Prince. It promotes the idea that the ends justify the means, an approach that may be increasingly appealing in today’s virtualized world, where others may seem less human and more like avatars.
Psychopathy disturbingly captivates us, as we see in numerous films depicting violent, manipulative, and sensation-seeking characters. Driven by an intolerable emptiness and a desire for omnipotent control, psychopaths are often recast as heroes, despite their harmful actions.
Dark Triad types are subtler than their full-blown counterparts yet still identifiable by their disagreeableness, dishonesty, lack of empathy, and social exploitation. They may initially find success in our current cultural climate but are often forced to move on as they fall from grace.
The anonymity provided by social media allows these individuals to act with little consequence, even finding communities that celebrate their destructive behaviors. Skilled in manipulation, they may appear to champion a cause only to exploit it for their own ends.
To recognize the Dark Triad, look for callous indifference to the suffering of others. These individuals often project their dark traits onto others and manipulate the vulnerable into serving their agendas. In the end, those who need help remain unserved.
In Gravity and Grace, the French philosopher and political activist Simone Wiel offered a profound insight to help us discern the way forward. She wrote:
The false God changes suffering into violence.
The true God changes violence into suffering.
She means that violence in all its forms is only a way of discharging our anguished feelings but does not address our wounds. Instead, suffering requires a soulful engagement with what has happened to us and a struggle to master the pain and confusion left in its wake.
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When they do go to therapy with their partners they use the information to be destructive..power
I had a housemate who I feel had the dark triad, scary guy, scary guy, serial womanizer and sex addict and hated his parents, asked him if he had any friends from where he lived before and he said No, I wasn't the one that brought him in to the house.
An extremely interesting, intellectual and insightful discussion. Your voices are so calm. Thank you.
I will have to listen to this again tomorrow. It might be the most fascinating discussion I have heard in a long time.
So refreshing to hear a thoughtful discussion about this. Therapy speak has permeated our culture and not for good. Non academics casually label people narcissists or toxic and feel qualified to give a full on diagnosis. I don’t know if you have noticed. The point of therapy used to be to help yourself. It seems like it’s become a weapon to tell others what their problem is after you’ve learned a few therapy terms.
I agree with what you're saying. However, many of these people exhibitimg the dark triad don't feel they need therapy and the one's closest to them are left dealing with the negative characteristics on their own. There are great resources like this channel that help people who are struggling to understand what they are dealing with. There are also many poor resources from nontherapeutic people with content like How to Destroy a Narcicist. People need to have a high level of discernment when educating themselves on these topics and should seek the advice of a therapist themselves.
Again a superb discussion from the three of you. I am going now through all your videos, and it 's quite a lot. You are all marvelous speakers, and all three totally different in a way that fits like puzzle pieces. Though, on one point I don't agree.
I suspect that you all favor a capitalist system, and for good reason, because that is what you are benefitted from financially. However, as a western european I am familiar with both the capitalist and social political system. I am a huge fan of the economist Richard Wolff, and wholeheartedly agree that going agressively for profit leads to environmental damage, social abandonment and injustice, and lots of psychological distress (and pharmaceutical addiction) for the sensitive ones who can't cope with the dark competition.
In that respect, Carl Jung was onesided, or better said, politically prejudiced. His wife
inherited a huge fortune that he benefitted from. Moreover, his controversial psychological theories got a snob appeal to the higher echelons. And capitalism seems to be quite individualistic, though that might be illusional, as it invites machiavelli traits like being a lip or even sex servant.
Ofcourse the outer circumstances are part of the equation, and framing someone negatively who takes upon himself the heroic task to vocally target the flaws in a system, might imo free the way for slavish collectivism.
I was just thinking the same thing. A lot of privilege behind some of this discussion.
I love Jung and his insights on the inner work required to become whole, and at the same time, there are external realities that require someone fighting against them ~ doing so because that is what it takes to change the system. Internalizing everything can make you neurotic.
This doesn’t deny the many insights and points here about the dark triad characters who are so traumatized it they’re trying to control everyone and everything .
In the year 2023, very applicable...
it seems like we have no choice but to become this. else we will be victimized endlessly.
Emotional dysregulation - I wish that DBT could be made widely available.
This episode is incredibly helpful while navigating through complicated relationships. I've found this channel to be a lighthouse in a sea that doesn't offer much information or guidance. So grateful for this, thank you.
i love listening to this channel and taking notes. thank you!
Thank u...🔥
Really good. This one is a show piece. Grateful!
Re: THE ROOM dream. Did anyone else think of the Akashic records (a library of all that ever was, is, and will be)? Particularly with the literal record player present.
Thank you
Empathy for all involved in any element of the Dark Triad...the only way out is through.
"The Greek myth of Narcissus is directly concerned with a fact of human experience, as the word Narcissus indicates. It is from the Greek word narcosis, or numbness."
[Understanding Media: The Extension of Man, Marshall McLuhan, 1964, Ch. 4: The Gadget Lover; Narcissus as Narcosis]
"Such amplification is bearable by the nervous system only through numbness or blocking of perception. This is the sense of the Narcissus myth. The young man's image is a self-amputation or extension induced by irritating pressures. As counter-irritant, the image produces a generalized numbness or shock that declines recognition. Self-amputation forbids self-recognition."
[Understanding Media: The Extension of Man, Marshall McLuhan, 1964, Ch. 4: The Gadget Lover; Narcissus as Narcosis]
"The function of the body, as a group of sustaining and protective organs for the central nervous system, is to act as buffer against sudden variations of stimulus in the physical and social environment. Sudden social failure or shame is a shock that some may "take to heart" or that may cause muscular disturbances in general, signaling for the person to withdraw from the threatening situation."
[Understanding Media: The Extension of Man, Marshall McLuhan, 1964, Ch. 4: The Gadget Lover; Narcissus as Narcosis]
Wow, I am a Dark Jungian Analyst... I picked up just enough to invert my super ego into a Hero With A Thousand Faces. At 46 I am an absolute hermit. I even FAILED at being homeless after 5 years! LoL! I made too many enemies to sustain that lifestyle, which was my life goal, as I had burned so many bridges in my previous "normal" (to conform to a type or standard) life. Funny, I have ZERO credit, and NOT a single personal or professional reference to put on a resume. Literary, not hyperbole.
I guess I became what I hate most in the end. I came to hate monotheism as a psychologically and now I personify an absolute monotheist, without a god too boot.
But, I really did and do get Jung. In my estimation, I concluded Jung was a covert Mithraist. When he said with total certainty he knew there is a god, I believe he was referring to Mithra. And, I think Joe Campbell helped me decipher Mithra to be.... The [Human] Psyche. And then I found McLuhan and he ruined all hope for me be telling us the truth without fluff and not frazzle.
But, I remember my dark path to my state of oblivion.
All this to propose a topic for you to delve into. Should you toss this amongst you, yes, I will burn with a fire in which nothing can live and toot my own horn. BUT, in an evil genius kinda fashion it will blow you away and take you into the realm of music with... well, I say one of the most Jungian albums I have ever imbibed. I listen to it almost everyday. I drive a food truck in Hollywood (just 3 weeks now) and when I pack up, I put this on the return drive to the lot & lock up the truck. Luckily, I work alone most days. Whew!
So it's: Gnarles Barkley, St. ELSEWHERE.... Even if you don't discuss it on any platform, I bet my diabolical clarity it will hit you deep.
And again, when I say Jungian, I really mean Mithriac, now. I see Mithra everywhere. The US Senate Seal, The Dark Crystal series, John Wick 5, the new Transformers, Star Wars, A Series of Unfortunate Events, Denzel Washington's directorial debut, Pirates of the Caribbean, Nike's swoosh (the slit Mithra makes across the bull's throat), Thor Love & Thunder, Dark Adam, The Statue of Liberty, and on and on and on.... cuz Mithra is real... cuz Mithra is [the] Psyche. We are ALL Mithra.
Sounds like my sociopathic, narcissistic father.
We never go to therapy because we are treated like monsters by everyone else. why should therapist be any different
🤔 it's others fault...?
OP. Interesting point. I don't know who "we" are (I'm not a therapist; don't like name-calling "therapy"). I am grateful for the people who, with a genuine vocation toward understanding their selves ( for lack of a better term), whose lives are constructed to conceive ever evolving ideas about the real reason we are here (our humanity), the enormous courage, humility, and generosity of heart and mind to offer their open vulnerability to advance the healing with diligence and discernment. Yes, talking to friends, we're okay; close, we cried over our beers together. Before the hunger that craves and gnaws on its knuckles for love that forever forbade him. need to be safe, open, loved, and kind. Sometimes, I have found in my torturous journey of survival, an almost imperceptible glimpse, a sharp, strong sense of intrusion on my thoughts (confused, frightened) as if it did not derive from me though I knew it did. I had to walk through my own defenses, slowly, in the deepest blind dark. I theoretically know what I need because people who gave enormous consideration to other people throughout their lives created numerous conceptual frameworks to (hopefully) help the ravaged, the injured, the lost, disorganized, depressed, distressed, bring a ray of order, the shadow, the light. One scintilla.
Interesting. Do I understand you expect the therapist to be a "Monster"?
We as people grow up in conditions where people project insecurities, secret shames, guilt, blame, and their own inner thoughts onto us as we are going about our lives. We pick up labels and names people associate with certain psychological fixations and they become almost parasitically attached to our thought processes. Someone labeled a winner and given encouragement praise and support is probably going to be motivated, someone called a basket case and shunned or not interacted with will feel ostracized and likely keep to themselves. But in utilizing another person who is not their to give you a solution or suggestion immediately, but to simply talk with about ones own feelings, thoughts, to help in assisting you to recognize, analyze, and be made aware of the minds thought processes, emotional regulation, the cyclical nature and patterns held between the two and the things we believe about ourselves, which often unironically come as a result of other's treatment of us in stages early in our development as human beings, one can begin to assess for themselves their own thoughts, the attachments, the avoidances, and any associated play they have upon ones emotional states and begin to learn how to relinquish the vice grip the mind has on one's ability to live with freedom to be at ease and at peace with life and its continuous challenging circumstances. It is baby steps, it is possible. Therapy is good, but yes, it does tend to be uncomfortable at first.
A recomendation, would to be to find ones awareness seperate from thought by slowly taking time to distance oneself from thinking for brief moments of time and just be aware of ones surroundings in the present moment. This re-orients one's attention away from thought forms, which require energy and attention to keep perpetuated and often drag our emotions into a cycle of different states, and back onto just conscious awareness of the present. Acts like walking outdoors and being outside just observing ones surroundings with the five senses, meditation or breathing excercises, or athletics training, all re-orient the direction of ones awareness away from thought and back into the present moment, and in that present moment you find that all the energy you were putting to focusing on thought and emotions is now readily available to channel into what you are doing, but in a passive state that requires no effort. Flow state, or conscious awareness, brings you back to center and away from thought. The mind is a powerful servant, but a poor master👍 Hope this is of help to you, thank you.
Some therapists really care and will help someone manage their symptoms. They can’t help if a patient doesn’t show up and advocate for help.
Perhaps, you could be describing our current political system, minus a select very few.
Joseph- is your talk only in-person, or is it online as well? Thank you!
I can't see anything about an online option on the C.G. Jung Society of New Orleans link, but would also love to attend your talk online if possible, Joseph. I'm sure it will be soulfully insightful , and wish it goes wonderfully well!
Unfortunately, it will not be recorded or streamed..
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Hey guys! I liked the chat, but not the dream analysis. To much beating around the bush, but poor symbolic power and conclusions. Let me try.
This dream speaks about the dreamer's repressions and fears, and the need to overcome them to enter a new realm of consciousness with a new knowledge.
As you know, the apartment pictures his own ego, which has several rooms. One of them is alluring, but it also feels as taboo. It is very telling that the said room has bookshelves, which represent (new) knowledge, one he still doesn't has access to. Also, there he gives some left turns (the heart-feelings side) and then he faints,, which again tells us that he still isn't prepared, as yet, to hold the new level of knowledge, which requires a more open heart.
Then he leaves the room, if not mistaken with some bite of human flesh for food.. Now, the human flesh theme and its digestion reinforces the idea that he still operates in an instinctual, mass consciousness level, but has to get over it, by metabolizing the flesh in order to overcome the too human experience and extract its quintessence from it.
Already in another room, there he meets a group of people who seemed to be religious or something. It doesn't matter, really, if that correlates or not with his wake life. What matters is the group's frighten and possibly fanatic attitude towards the type of knowledge he previously contacted in the other room. So, that speaks about the way he himself perceives that kind of new knowledge he briefly contacted, which he considers to be taboo, weird, threatening, and much probably retrograde and fanatic too.
So finally, here we have an overall question in the dreamer's life, related with prejudices and misjudgements about a certain kind of nouminous happenings and knowledge, which his unconscious urges him to make acquaintance with. In fact, the same nouminous knowledge that he felt was present in the bookshelves' room, when in temporary altered state of consciousness, so to speak, he briefly entered there only to faint and loose it again, as soon as he left the room. As we went there for a second time, he left the room with the mission of get past the ego matrix experience, by digesting it
So, this dreamer certainly has issues with a too rigid ego and pattern of thinking, and he's even afraid of considering worthwhile the new knowledge, as presented by his higher self. The old scrooge that latter appeared at some point, observing him and knowing about the experience, confirms his superego control, as conveyed by his limiting socially acquired beliefs.
He also said, for context, that he was about to enroll for a maths degree, which seems to indicate a rational approach to life. So at this point, the dream is a warning against too much rationality at the expense of his feelings and inner life, and a possible failure, due to his neglect with inner life. He's being pushed to a more flexible and open minded attitude, and to embrace other kinds of knowledges...
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Wolves are pack animals, so they are in all ways superior to antisocial humans.
God Himself loosed the serpent on Adam & Eve, and everything depended on its not betraying Him. This venomous creature has stayed loyal to God even to this day.
[The Human Province, Elias Canetti, 1973, English Edition, 1978, Sec. "1942“]
Oh so now I'm a dark triad, eh?!?!?!
"QUAM MALIGNA SACERDOTALI IGNORANTIA NOSTER SIMULAT SE IGNORARE, PER PECCATUM PRIMORUM PARENTUM NIHIL ALUID INTELLEGI, QUAM IPSUM COITUM; QUOD CUIQUE MANIFESTUM EST. SED VEREBATUR ALLEGORIAE JANUAM ASPERIRE, NE POSTEA OMNIA INVADERET."
[Coranto: Journal of the Friends of the Libraries, Fall of 1966, Vol IV, No. I, The Folio Augustini of Schopenhauer, Martin Woods]
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UTLAGATUS EST QUASI EXTRA LEGEM POSITUS. CAPUT GERIT LUPINUM. 7 Coke, 14. An outlaw is, as it were, put out of the protection of the law. He bears the head of a wolf.
[Black's Law Dictionary, 4th Ed.]
Lupis pilum mutat, non mentem/The wolf may change his skin, but not his nature.
[Black Cat, 1934]
"What, then, is the starting-point of the transformation of a protector into a tyrant? Is it not obviously when the protector's acts begin to reproduce the legend that is told of the shrine of Lycaean Zeus in Arcadia?” “What is that?” he said. “The story goes that he who tastes of the one bit of human entrails minced up with those of other victims is inevitably transformed into a wolf. Have you not heard the tale?” “I have.” “And is it not true that in like manner a leader of the people who, getting control of a docile mob,does not withhold his hand from the shedding of tribal blood, but by the customary unjust accusations brings a citizen into court and assassinates him, blotting out a human life, & with unhallowed tongue & lips that have tasted kindred blood, banishes & slays & hints at the abolition of debts & the partition of lands-is it not the inevitable consequence & a decree of fate that such a one be either slain by his enemies or become a tyrant & be transformed from a man into a wolf?” “It is quite inevitable,” he said. “He it is,” I said, “who becomes the leader of faction against the possessors of property.” “Yes, he.” “May it not happen that he is driven into exile &, being restored in defiance of his enemies, returns a finished tyrant?” “Obviously.” “And if they are unable to expel him or bring about his death by calumniating him to the people, they plot to assassinate him by stealth.” “That is certainly wont to happen,” said he. “And thereupon those who have reached this stage devise that famous petition of the tyrant-to ask from the people a bodyguard to make their city safe for the friend of democracy.”
[The Republic, Plato, Book 8]
"Disguised in human shape, I travelled round The world, and more than what I heard, I found. O'er Maenalus I took my steepy way, By caverns infamous for beasts of prey; Then crossed Cyllene, and the piny shade More infamous by cursed Lycaon made. Dark night had covered heaven and earth, before I entered his unhospitable door. Just at my entrance, I displayed the sign That somewhat was approaching of divine. The prostrate people pray; the tyrant grins; And, adding profanation to his sins, 'I'll try,' said he, 'and if a god appear, To prove his deity shall cost him dear." 'Twas late; the graceless wretch my death prepares,
When I should soundly sleep, oppressed with cares. This dire experiment he chose, to prove If I were mortal, or undoubted Jove: But first he had resolved to taste my power. Not long before, but in a luckless hour Some legates, sent from the Molossian state, Were on a peaceful errand come to treat. Of these he murders one, he boils the flesh; And lays the mangled morsels in a dish; Some part he roasts, then serves it up, so dressed, And bids me welcome to this human feast. Moved with disdain, the table I o'erturned; And with avenging flames the palace burned. The tyrant in a fright for shelter gains
The neighbouring fields, and scours along the plains. Howling he fled, and fain he would have spoke; But human voice his brutal tongue forsook. About his lips the gathered foam he churns, And, breathing slaughters, still with rage he burns,
But on the bleating flock his fury turns. His mantle, now his hide, with rugged hairs Cleaves to his back; a famished face he bears; His arms descend, his shoulders sink away To multiply his legs for chase of prey. He grows a wolf, his hoariness remains, And the same rage in other members reigns. His eyes still sparkle in a narrower space: His jaws retain the grin and violence of his face."
[Ovid]
"QUAM MALIGNA SACERDOTALI IGNORANTIA NOSTER SIMULAT SE IGNORARE, PER PECCATUM PRIMORUM PARENTUM NIHIL ALUID INTELLEGI, QUAM IPSUM COITUM; QUOD CUIQUE MANIFESTUM EST. SED VEREBATUR ALLEGORIAE JANUAM ASPERIRE, NE POSTEA OMNIA INVADERET."
[Coranto: Journal of the Friends of the Libraries, Fall of 1966, Vol IV, No. I, The Folio Augustini of Schopenhauer, Martin Woods]
"Have you noticed that one cannot visualize geometric figures except in a void? This characteristic is an essential clue to understanding Euclidean space. It is not the whole of nature, it is an abstraction, an imaginative invention. For over 2500 years, the concept has so conditioned our thinking that we are virtually forced to live by cubes and rectangles square rooms and houses, matching streets. We can't feel comfortable with a circle in architecture unless we've squared it. The Euclidean straight line or plane has taken over our brain, or at least part of it-the left hemisphere."
[The Global Village: Transformations In World Life & Media in the 21st Century, Marshall McLuhan, 1957, Sec. II: THE GLOBAL EFFECTS OF VIDEO-RELATED TECHNOLOGIES, 9: Angels to Robots: From Euclidean Space to Einsteinian Space]
"The more civilized, the more unconscious and complicated a man is, the less he is able to follow his instincts. His complicated living conditions and the influence of his environment are so strong that they drown the quiet voice in nature. Opinions, beliefs, theories, and collective tendencies appear in its stead and back up all the aberrations of the conscious mind. Deliberate attention should then be given to the unconscious so that the compensation can set to work. Hence it is especially important to picture the archetypes of the unconscious not as a rushing phantasmagoria of fugitive images, but as constant, autonomous factors, which indeed they are."
[Psyche & Symbol, Carl Jung, edited by Violet de Laszlo, 1958, Ch.1: Aion, Sec.V- Christ, a Symbol of the Self]
"[How did it start?] With the alphabet. The Phoenicians brought it west to Greece, probably from the Orient. The Phoenicians exported the ideas of one to nine as well, but as you know numerical manipulation, which has its roots in the alphabet, didn't work too well until the concept of zero freed it up. Look at our alphabet; it has the four simultaneous aspects of a square. It is, in each one of the alphabetical signs, continuous, connected, homogenous, and static. The characteristics also of visual space. A succession of fragmented bits having no real meaning except what we read into them. The best way to understand the essence of the alphabet is its progressive movement of "one-thing-at-a-time."
[The Global Village: Transformations In World Life & Media in the 21st Century, Marshall McLuhan, 1957, Sec. II: THE GLOBAL EFFECTS OF VIDEO-RELATED TECHNOLOGIES, 9: Angels to Robots: From Euclidean Space to Einsteinian Space]
"Literacy creates very much simpler kinds of people than those that develop in the complex web of ordinary tribal and oral societies."
[Understanding Media: The Extension of Man, Marshall McLuhan, 1964, Ch. 5: Hybrid Energy]
"And our cortex is divided into two hemispheres, one of which concerns itself with visual or Euclidean space and the other with acoustic space."
[The Global Village: Transformations In World Life & Media in the 21st Century, Marshall McLuhan, 1957, Sec. II: THE GLOBAL EFFECTS OF VIDEO-RELATED TECHNOLOGIES, 9: Angels to Robots: From Euclidean Space to Einsteinian Space]
"In our desire to illumine the differences between visual and acoustic space, we have undoubtedly given a false impression: and that is that the normal brain, in its everyday functioning, cannot reconcile the apparently contradictory perceptions of both sides of the mind. There is, we know from experience, a "unified field" of the mind."
[The Global Village, Marshall McLuhan, 1989, I. Exploration of Visual and Acoustic Space, Sec. 4: The East Meets West in the Hemispheres, p. 48]