You guys are the first reactors I've seen notice the "free me" line from Fisk. It's hard to tell if that line was also manipulation or a brief moment of actual vulnerability from him.
One of the things I loved the most about this show was they didn't shy away with showing how toxic Fisk's ''love'' for Maya is. Alaqua is just a revelation and I can't see anyone but her as Maya now. I also really enjoy they took their time to allow Maya to talk to both her grandmother and bio-uncle Henry
I laughed when you said "I love that he killed the interpreter, in such a subtle manner." You want subtle? If you watch closely, you'll notice that is the 3rd different woman interpreting ASL for Fisk. How many interpreters did he go through over the years?
Fisk IS a monster, but he's not lying about everything. He feels he loves her (probably similar to Thanos loving Gamora). If he didn't, he wouldn't have come all the way back to Tamaha to try to get her back. He would've just had someone kill her (or try). He truly thinks of the two of them being two peas in a pod, like when she kicked that ice cream vendor. He didn't have to beat that vendor nearly to death to manipulate her, he did it because he cared about her and she was slighted by the guy which made him furious. I don't think it was simply a "I can use this" thing, but more a "She understands. We're alike." The fact he gave her the hammer, when she tried to kill him before, and he told her to free herself like he freed himself AND said "Free me!" He feels prisoner to his past/father still. He killed his father but still can't get out from under his shadow and what he seemed to permanently do to him. I truly think he wants her to kill him and take over his empire because she's his legacy...in his eyes. The "Free me!" says that he just wants to let it all go and he's willing to give it to her. He's a broken guy, so his ideas of right and wrong are bent and skewed and he doesn't know how to handle rejection except by killing the thing that rejected him. It shows he doesn't really understand what love is nor loyalty. I wonder why he had Maya's father killed. It's never said, that I can recall.
This episode is just a masterclass of scene work, every 1on1 dialog in this episode was amazingly acted.
You guys are the first reactors I've seen notice the "free me" line from Fisk. It's hard to tell if that line was also manipulation or a brief moment of actual vulnerability from him.
All the scenes between Maya and Fisk were very intense I'm so glad that the Netflix shows are now canon to the mcu
One of the things I loved the most about this show was they didn't shy away with showing how toxic Fisk's ''love'' for Maya is. Alaqua is just a revelation and I can't see anyone but her as Maya now. I also really enjoy they took their time to allow Maya to talk to both her grandmother and bio-uncle Henry
I laughed when you said "I love that he killed the interpreter, in such a subtle manner." You want subtle? If you watch closely, you'll notice that is the 3rd different woman interpreting ASL for Fisk. How many interpreters did he go through over the years?
Fisk IS a monster, but he's not lying about everything. He feels he loves her (probably similar to Thanos loving Gamora). If he didn't, he wouldn't have come all the way back to Tamaha to try to get her back. He would've just had someone kill her (or try). He truly thinks of the two of them being two peas in a pod, like when she kicked that ice cream vendor. He didn't have to beat that vendor nearly to death to manipulate her, he did it because he cared about her and she was slighted by the guy which made him furious. I don't think it was simply a "I can use this" thing, but more a "She understands. We're alike." The fact he gave her the hammer, when she tried to kill him before, and he told her to free herself like he freed himself AND said "Free me!" He feels prisoner to his past/father still. He killed his father but still can't get out from under his shadow and what he seemed to permanently do to him. I truly think he wants her to kill him and take over his empire because she's his legacy...in his eyes. The "Free me!" says that he just wants to let it all go and he's willing to give it to her. He's a broken guy, so his ideas of right and wrong are bent and skewed and he doesn't know how to handle rejection except by killing the thing that rejected him. It shows he doesn't really understand what love is nor loyalty.
I wonder why he had Maya's father killed. It's never said, that I can recall.
my favorite episode of this show (that I didn't love as much as I thought I would) and it's squarely because of D'Onofrio's Kingpin