@@crymeariver221 naw doesnt sound the same. im no audiophile but the audio sounds choppy and fucked up and not like its been slowed properly in a software mate
This fight is heartbreaking. You find a husk of a former god. He's sacrificed himself to preserve his age of fire. And what's worse is he is incredibly weak, the fight almost makes you want to be reluctant in killing him. Dark souls is an incredible game.
« he is incredibly weak » ... No ? He’s literally one of the most relentless, punishing, fast hitting, and hard hitting boss in the game. Sure, you can parry him and make the fight a joke, but you can just summon Solaire and make gargoyles and OS a joke, you can use pyromancies and make... every boss fight a joke aside from Queelag ceaseless and centipede, you can use any ultra to trivialize any boss fight, etc. What I’m getting at is that Gwyn has a cheese, but it doesn’t make him weak by any stretch of the imagination.
I think "weak" means that Gwyn is soulless, he have almost no flesh on his body.Only thing that moves him is an anger just like any hollow one.He is weak because of his fate. The hollow know no fatigue. I am glad that you write comments of such large content and describe everything in detail.It's so interesting to talk with you.I like that.Thanks a lot.
@@TheWolfPackGAC1000 Sure, that I’d agree with :) And to clarify why I nitpicked your statement, it’s simply because lots of people have a tendency to overlook Gwyn’s honestly pretty well conceived fight due to his achilles’ heel, so they completely underestimate him, which makes me a little too... defensive about him let’s say ^^
@@triquepilaTERRORCLUB I definitely agree that Gwyn is weakened, and at his weakest, I didn’t want to deny that ^^ I just meant Gwyn as a boss, not as a character. As for what moves him... Honestly I don’t think it’s anger. When we fight him, he has hollowed, so he just does what he has been singlemindedly pursuing before hollowing, protecting the age of fire, which he would presumably do out of care for his kin and subject, which includes a metric ton of humans. And thanks, it’s not every day that I find people that are grateful for being overly detailed and verbose, usually it’s more the target or scorn or (probably well deserved ^^) irritation.
You finally make it to the one everyone has been talking about, and it turns out he is weak. Instead of having a triumphant victory, your victory feels empty and hollow. Instead of an epic battle, it feels like you're beating down someone who has already been defeated. It's almost like all of these legends have been lies told to you by the world the entire time. The dark truth of the world, the reality of your actions, it all comes to it's boiling point right here. There is no good ending. That is the point of Gwyn, the "lord" of cinder.
First two were literally me on my first playthrough. I heard about this man the whole game and how amazing he was, just to find out he was a lot different than I thought. Saw some lore, and..... now it's just sad.
Gwyn is, compared to the rest of the Dark Souls universe, one of the strongest people to ever exist. He fought against the dragons (The player only faces a few and all of them are either damaged by time and death, don't have invincibility or can't even properly fly when they fight you), the demons, that were created by the same power as the one that rests within him, gave massive junks of his soul away as a sign of thankfulness or out of fear, set himself on fire and burned for eternities. And when we fight him, literally having defeated the kings, the god of death, the witch of izalith, seath and so on, getting power out of them, he still doesn't give in and fights to the bitter end, even able to keep up with Solaire's help. Heck, in DS3 the Cinder's last line of defense against you is using gwyn's soul, that is even more used by now than in DS1. And his mental state isn't even described here.
well, we know that the nameless king is the son of gwyn. so gwyn would be as powerful as him if not MORE powerful. probably from did it on purpose, just to show you that he was like that, and now...he is like this...
In his prime, Lord Gwyn was probably the most powerful being to exist. The end boss fight does not even show a fraction of his true power. So for many he is just nothing else than an old forgotten Lord.
actually the player never faces an Archdragon. the only one we see is chillin' in Ash Lake...and the Chosen Undead can't even hurt him, because the dude is fucking immortal to anything but the strongest sunlight spears. Gwyn in his prime was definitely the strongest character in the Souls universe...he still was, after indeed giving part of his soul to whoever, and that very soul is still not completely snuffed after millenia of burning in the Kiln, fueling the Flame.
At first when I entered the arena to fight Gwyn, I heard this and was so confused at first. I was expecting a grand cutscene showing Gwyn’s might, but no; I was just thrown into the fight with this music playing in the background. All I could then feel was immense guilt. All the lore finally connected for me and after the fight, it felt relieving and so depressing at the same time. I finally beat a game that I never thought I was going to beat ever in my lifetime. But at the end, I lit the first flame and lost everyone and everything anyway. All I could tell myself was that I believed I did good, but at what cost?
Honestly hearing this with the boss fight would make it sound fitting cuz the music sounds like a husk as it used to be while gwyn was an empty shell on par to his prime state
People always talk about how Gwyn is just a husk of his former self. This is true indeed, but not entirely. Sure you can parry him, but damn is he aggressive and fast. It’s good if you can even drink your estus. So while it’s true that he is not as powerful as he used to be, atleast for me he’s even still the hardest boss in the game. Only boss where drinking estus is almost impossible
@@generalmikalie2739 I'm not gonna lie my first run-through I kept getting bodied, I honestly didn't know how to parry that well so I fought him with havels armor and a black knight sword, I didn't even use sheild cuz my first run I thought sheilds were for cowards, but then after new game plus I used sheild. . . Don't judge pls
I personally think that he’s not a bad guy. Imagine if you created an empire for your family and friends just for one day everything you worked for will be turn to ash. The dude sacrifice himself so that his empire will last a little longer, I feel bad and also emphasize him for what he did. He’s a god that’s loosing his powers but refuse to accept it. In the end everything he have is ash.
well hes not a bad guy....exceeeept for enslaving humanity with the dark sign, making a prison of a city at the edge of the world for those who have the power to rise against him, stripping his own son of power, cursing humanity to forever link the first flame to temporarily get rid of a curse he gave to them, linking the first flame thus starting a cycle that has destroyed the world, causing the abyss to go beserk permanently causing it to become "evil", etc. but yeah he's a """"good"""" guy.
@@marioplumber3378 No one here said he's a good guy. People are just trying to empathize with his choice to link the flame specifically, ofc we know he's done some mad tyrannical shit in his life.
Dark Souls is a game made by people that know how to make a tragedy world, this game is 90% of the time struggle and perseverance, some times in a boss fight you even begin to doubt if this struggle is even worth it, you push forward, not matter the challenge, and yet, the game does not have a happy, satisfying ending. You surely wondered what is your real purpose is this world, linking the first flame is the one set by default to you, but somehow even after you link the first flame there is still this feeling of seeking a purpose. You fight in this lands with harsh boss fights, annoying enemies, but the same lands of good companions and friends. But in the end, Dark Souls is a tragedy, and all of this companions are killed, all of the joy that you had is killed, just like how the fire fades and the world is consumed by darkness, you too, slowly becomes more hopeless about fighting in this world. Dark Souls is a purposeless world, a sad, grim, aggresive world. The pursuit of purpose in a purposeless world.
Terminas siendo que una ceniza más olvidada y sacrificada por un mundo muerto y decadente todos tus logros no son recordados y no as aliviado al mundo Solo mantienes la ilusión de grandeza de un mundo vacío y muerto sufriendo asta el fin del mundo por el intento de gwyng de mantener vivo su reino condenó a todos a pasar una eternidad de sufrimiento por mantener una ilusión
A king who rules over an ever expanding empire, now only rules over its ruins, rubble and... ash Gwyn, once the lord of sunlight, now only rules over nothing but cinders.
Nunca acepto que su reino algún día caería en una maldición y que está era había acabado no acepto que la solución siempre fue la disparidad de luz y oscuridad vida y muerte las reglas del universo básicas de dark souls las rompió con la señal oscura y el enlace de la llama
@@UnsungTrashman Nah that’s unfair, Vendrick isn’t at all a carbon copy, the Ivory King would probably be the closest to a Gwyn wannabe (mighty king that battled the forces of chaos and ended up sacrificing his life to a flame that charred him and his most loyal knights) and I hope we don’t have to establish that he isn’t.
@@monex6447 He doesn’t want to though, that cycle isn’t natural at all, and it’s not a cycle, it’s a straight line Age of Ancient->Age of fire->Age of Dark. The only cosmic cycle in DS is the cycle of the linking of the fire, a purely natural cycle (what’s more natural to prolong a fire’s life than to feed it fuel, especially fuel that was taken from it to begin with). What’s not natural is the transition from the age of ancients to the age of fire, it’s almost literally man made, except it’s not man but gods and men and witches and skeletons. And natural isn’t good anyway, not by default, and certainly not in this case, so why would Gwyn be the antagonist when all he did was sacrifice himself to give others more time to live.
It's honestly amazing how this game plays with your feelings. If you think about it, Gwyn is a unique character because of how YOU the player view him. Some view him as the villain who got what deserved in the end, for permanently changing the cycle of nature and betraying humanity. Others see him as a hero, who fought valiantly for what he held dear and bravely sacrificed to save what was left of his crumbling legacy. Be it, villain or hero, let it be known: That Gwyn's character was amazing in terms of lore. That and he was scared of the dark 🤣
To be accurate, this can be played on piano. It's only three-half steps down from the original key. I play it this way all the time, cuz I like it better.
Any other game developer would have chosen combat music, with drums and heroic voices, this is why dark souls is the best game ever made - even the theme of the final fight is philosophy, beauty and sadness.
Gwyn had good intentions but you we all know the saying. Dark souls and Soulsborne in general are beautifully tragic games that taught me so much about life and existence. The struggle of life along with the inevitability of everything eventually becoming unrecognizable or gone.
I just finished the game and I have to say that this choice on theme is incredible. Gwyn is not a good person but you can understand where he is coming from. Thought this whole situation reminds me of something that blind gaint said. I barley remember but I believe it was about how people can bring about thier own ends.
At first I hated Gwyn, but I kinda want to talk with him about embracing the changes. I mean, at that point he still had a family which loved him. He could forgive his son, get his granddaughter outta that painting and just live as a happy family. It is ironic how a deity fell victim to human emotion
@Freejay Free velka? Now I know you made that up, she's the hidden child of Guinevere and she's in the painting to keep herself safe being the only crossbreed of the time
@Freejay Free half breed child indicates a sin committed, velka creating a prison world for the gods best kept secret is more likely imo than an unseen God we've never seen before. I just can't see velka the goddess of sin and judgment to create something like that.
"Your fight is done, hollowed king, for there is no kingdom left to protect it has all been turned into ash only ash only ruin... Only... Inevitably" - chosen undead
When this fight happened in my first playthrough, I was glad I died so I coukd hear this master piece again. Since then it's been sitting in my playlist.
we know that Gwyn feared humanity and did everything to contain it, fear can turn into anger and hate, what he did to the pygmies was very wrong and in the end they suffered for nothing the era of light ended all the same, that was the first sin, Gwyn caused a lot of chaos and pain by refusing to let his times fade away and give the dark his time in the world his the first sin cause the greatest unbalance the world has ever seen, he saw dark as and his greatest enemy and the greatest evil failing to se that light and dark are nither good or evil they are two sides if the same coin. with his dying breath gwyn committed the greatest sin of all creating a way to stop the dark from having his time in the world by deceiving the world that the age of fire must be maintain and the one who sacrifices into the flame will be a hero when in reality it will be an oppressor denying the creatures if dark there time in the world forever fighting to bring balance by letting the fire fade and live in peace until fire naturally ignites ones again within the roots if the old world to start another age of fire time and time again. The times before Gwyn the world hade a perfect balance and everlasting circle of light and dark where the light will fade away and within the dark a spark will ignite a new flame but now many will follow on the steps of Lord Gwyn fighting for the era of fire a horror that last thousands of years creating an undead world with no hope other than the one single undead making the right choice ones he stands on the ashes laying around a bonfire that should have never being created. very fascinating story for real I can say that this will stay with me for a very long time and it has so far, i hope one day this type of mitology and storytelling gets the recognition it deserves and looks like the times are changing, with or boy Miyazaki getting awards left and right and creating a new game with none other than G.g.r Martin cant wait for elden ring. and i hope dark sols stills has some fire left for the future.
"we know that Gwyn feared humanity and did everything to contain it" ... You mean, except actually killing it off, like he could probably easily have done thanks to the might of his soul and the power of izalith and nito ? "what he did to the pygmies" ... Protecting them from the greed of men, as we see in the multiple human armies that tried to invade the ringed city ? "that was the first sin" DS2 is never clear on what the first sin is, and it could be a thousand different things, both that we were told about and weren't told about. "Gwyn caused a lot of chaos and pain by refusing to let his times fade away" No, gwyn allowed unrivaled prosperity to last for longer, the chaos and the pains arrived because of the dark, the very thing he wanted to ward off. "with his dying breath gwyn committed the greatest sin of all creating a way to stop the dark from having his time in the world" ... That's not what he did though, how is it sinful to extend a good age by taking on to yourself the toll of extending that age ? Especially when the age you want to avoid is both eternal and shitty. "deceiving the world that the age of fire must be maintain" It doesn't have to be maintained, if you want to live a garbage life as a hollow go on. "when in reality it will be an oppressor denying the creatures if dark there time in the world" Oh boohoo, the poor darkwraiths and locust preachers that can't steal humans' essence/eat humans/both in peace, what poor creature, what an asshole gwyn was by stopping them from taking over. "forever fighting to bring balance by letting the fire fade and live in peace" ... Live in peace ? The creatures of the dark ? Pray tell, how peaceful is Nashandra, Nadalia, Elana, the hollows, the darkwraiths, or the locust preachers ? The "peace" they know is, at best, the inactivity that hollows can have, but that's at best the same peace as death, except that at any moment you can rise up to attack a living being nearby. That's not peace. "until fire naturally ignites ones again" Never is it said ever that this will occur, and in fact DS3 hints pretty heavily at the fact that the only reason why the fire might lit up again is thanks to the linkings of the fire, "I sense the presence of tiny flames. Like precious embers, left to us by past Lords, linkers of the fire." "The times before Gwyn the world hade a perfect balance and everlasting circle of light and dark" ... No, before Gwyn the world was stuck in the age of ancients, with nothing moving, living or dying, with only archtrees and everlasting dragons. There was no circle of light and dark, there was no light or dark, those appeared with the first flame, as explicitly stated in the opening of DS1. "very fascinating story for real" Yeah, a shame it's not the game's though.
@@nathanjora7627 people like Yuria and the daughters of manus are the evil of man. They show an age no better than gwyns. There's a reason that yurias fixated on the cycle created by gwyn and talks in the mannerisms of God's, she's a parallel of him. A peaceful and natural age of dark would presumably be akin to that created by gael and his niece. The truth of dark souls is that no is really the good guy, humans would have been just as shitty as lords if they had the chance. The only innocent race seems to be the giants, and that's only because there always subjugated in every age.
@@mr.fister4738 Yeah I've looked at it, which is how I can tell that OP id wrong. If you want we can just go over some of my points if you don't believe me, I'll provide the reference (which'd be a fair request, there are so many things from OP that I needed to adress that I barely gave any references at all).
I feel like a lot of people like you are just being edgy and think they're smart because they say that Gwyn is evil. He did do some messed up things, and he definently isn't the hero of his story, ut he still remained one of the more moral characters in a world devoid of heroes. He feared the dark more than anything because it meant the death of this world, not because men would prosper in it - in fact they wouldn't, that's only a lie Kaathe tells to sway the Chosen Undead. New Londo and Oolacile are prime examples of what happens when men are fully exposed to the dark. Remorseless, murderous Darkwraiths and mad shells of people with their humanity went wild doesn't really sound like a good time, does it now? That's what Gwyn wanted to avoid. And yes, his means were questionable. He made the Ringed City as a prison for men, even though it was a very comfortable prison at that - until the dark seeped in, the same dark that Gwyn was so terrified of. Other things, like the Darksign were not directly his doing, just the harmful side effect of his actions - side effects he had no reason to anticipate. At the end, Gwyn was thrown into this world of Fire just as clueless as any Hollow; but he cherished the Fire, not because it kept him in power, but because he truly loved it. Noting proves this quite as much as his sacrifice. Gwyn sacrificed his life, his power, his sanity, his soul to maintain his beloved Fire just a little longer; and that was an act of gentle love, not interest or power games, as it was the very last thing he did as the Lord of Sunlight. He did not know what kind of ancient cycle he's messing up or what kind of prophecy is he going aganist; he simply saw something he truly loved, and protected it, because it was all he has ever known. If that makes him a villain in your book, you need help.
@@nobody4062 Yes. In real life, as long as you keep on fueling the flame, the lesser the flammables are. The laws of nature will change for the worst if this practice of rekindling is continued even if the sigh of relief is only for short-terms.
This has been mentioned in some comments, but i want to add to it. You've fought through so much stuff, so much difficult stuff. Normally, you'd think that the final boss would be the toughest of them all, and you're not to blame. But no, he's just an old man. Through the entirety of the game, you're told how great Gwyn is, how strong he is and what great things he has done, yet you find yourself facing a destroyed, fading semblance of what was once Gwyn, and that's exactly why you can even beat him to begin with... because he is a husk of his past self.
I’d wager it’s because it’s a fight, and a fast hitting boss, faster music fits better in that context. That said, listening to it purely for its own sake it’s much better with that pace, more melancholic, calm, and less aggressive, the latter two being the thing that would maybe have jarred a little with the rhythm of the fight (if you don’t parry him).
Yes im agree. No matter how tragic his story is untill the bossfight is fastpacing.But i think , they were able to make a slower one,then Gwyn is weak and slow as well as music. But, as argument to Ry I can say Pontiff Salyvahn have a slow theme despite the fact that his bossfight is fastpaced as well as Gwyn one.
@@triquepilaTERRORCLUB Pontiff’s theme is slower, sure, but it’s also very different, and so is his fight. To be fair though, although his theme starts very slow, it actually quickens relatively quickly, in the first twenty/thirty seconds. It doesn’t become fast paced don’t get me wrong, it’s just faster paced than at the beginning, which to me makes sense since it’s after those twenty/thirty seconds that the fight really picks up. Edit : actually, the violins are pretty fast quite often, as violins usually are, so the music isn’t entirely slow paced either. Edit 2 : also, I just remembered but Pontiff isn’t as on the offensive as Gwyn, he’ll make pauses every so often, which Gwyn never does, he goes full speed ahead only with his second phase, and if you listen the latter half of his theme is actually fairly quickly paced, so I do really think that they are trying to match somewhat the tempo and the speed of attacks/number of attacks per second. But I can only speculate, and I’m no musician, so maybe my guess is totally offbase, it’s just the best I can come up with.
@@nathanjora7627 yea, u'r right.i forgot that his theme is becoming faster after first 30 seconds. But i think that music should fit to the storyline more than to a bossfight.Ofc souls series is about fights rather than a story, but maybe in alternative universe everything is like i said.
@@triquepilaTERRORCLUB I agree it should fit the storyline, I don’t know about fitting the storyline « more » than the fight, but to be fair, it’s not just Gwyn’s theme, it’s also the theme of the climax of the game, right before the resolution, from that perspective making it a little bit more fast paced also makes sense both in relation to the fight and the story. Speaking of « fitting the storyline » though, and since you brought up Pontiff, I feel like there are far less meaningful themes in DS3 than in DS1. Like, it feels to me like less of them tell a story compared to the themes from DS1 that tell a story (mainly sif’s, artorias’s, Gwyn’s, Gwyndolin’s, and... I think that’s all ?), or that those that do tell a story aren’t as impactful as the ones that do in DS1 maybe ? I don’t know, I feel like there is something off with a lot of DS3’s music, despite the fact that they are pretty much all masterpieces, which, thinking about it, may be the issue (when all the musics are masterpieces, the more important musics won’t stick out as much as they would have if the other musics hadn’t been as impressive as the important ones. Like, if Taurus and Capra and the gargoyles and all the minor bosses in DS1, lore wise, had as meaningful and impactful themes as Gwyn’s, I don’t know that Gwyn’s theme would’ve hit so hard, do you see what I mean ?).
Si se siente haci porque es una historia que no se resuelve condenado a estar siempre haci y en un final de acabo con el fuego y termino en un apocalipsis nadie ningún reino sobrevivió
And I thought city of tears theme from hollow knight hit hard (still does and has the same feeling) but after elden ring brought me to authentic fromsoft I saw this
I’m surprised hardly anyone has done this, at least that I can find besides that 600% slowed video. This sounds just right dude. Nice job.
ty dude,appreciate this so much!
You could just slow the video down from any video from the settings. Smh.
@@crymeariver221 naw doesnt sound the same. im no audiophile but the audio sounds choppy and fucked up and not like its been slowed properly in a software mate
@@Peachpilled exactly
This fight is heartbreaking.
You find a husk of a former god. He's sacrificed himself to preserve his age of fire. And what's worse is he is incredibly weak, the fight almost makes you want to be reluctant in killing him.
Dark souls is an incredible game.
« he is incredibly weak »
... No ? He’s literally one of the most relentless, punishing, fast hitting, and hard hitting boss in the game.
Sure, you can parry him and make the fight a joke, but you can just summon Solaire and make gargoyles and OS a joke, you can use pyromancies and make... every boss fight a joke aside from Queelag ceaseless and centipede, you can use any ultra to trivialize any boss fight, etc.
What I’m getting at is that Gwyn has a cheese, but it doesn’t make him weak by any stretch of the imagination.
@@nathanjora7627 he's weak in the sense that he became weaker than when he was in his prime. It's clear that he's no longer as strong as he was
I think "weak" means that Gwyn is soulless, he have almost no flesh on his body.Only thing that moves him is an anger just like any hollow one.He is weak because of his fate.
The hollow know no fatigue.
I am glad that you write comments of such large content and describe everything in detail.It's so interesting to talk with you.I like that.Thanks a lot.
@@TheWolfPackGAC1000 Sure, that I’d agree with :)
And to clarify why I nitpicked your statement, it’s simply because lots of people have a tendency to overlook Gwyn’s honestly pretty well conceived fight due to his achilles’ heel, so they completely underestimate him, which makes me a little too... defensive about him let’s say ^^
@@triquepilaTERRORCLUB I definitely agree that Gwyn is weakened, and at his weakest, I didn’t want to deny that ^^
I just meant Gwyn as a boss, not as a character.
As for what moves him... Honestly I don’t think it’s anger. When we fight him, he has hollowed, so he just does what he has been singlemindedly pursuing before hollowing, protecting the age of fire, which he would presumably do out of care for his kin and subject, which includes a metric ton of humans.
And thanks, it’s not every day that I find people that are grateful for being overly detailed and verbose, usually it’s more the target or scorn or (probably well deserved ^^) irritation.
1:23 most underrated part in my opinion, love how the piano seems hopeful for a moment before seeming to seep back into repetition and agony
That’s my favorite part too
You are so right
You finally make it to the one everyone has been talking about, and it turns out he is weak.
Instead of having a triumphant victory, your victory feels empty and hollow.
Instead of an epic battle, it feels like you're beating down someone who has already been defeated.
It's almost like all of these legends have been lies told to you by the world the entire time.
The dark truth of the world, the reality of your actions, it all comes to it's boiling point right here.
There is no good ending.
That is the point of Gwyn, the "lord" of cinder.
First two were literally me on my first playthrough. I heard about this man the whole game and how amazing he was, just to find out he was a lot different than I thought. Saw some lore, and..... now it's just sad.
make sense cus honestly his fight is kinda easy bruh, js parry 💀
Your fight is done, hollowed king.
For there is no kingdom left to protect.
Only ash, only ruin.
Only… inevitably
Gwyn is, compared to the rest of the Dark Souls universe, one of the strongest people to ever exist. He fought against the dragons (The player only faces a few and all of them are either damaged by time and death, don't have invincibility or can't even properly fly when they fight you), the demons, that were created by the same power as the one that rests within him, gave massive junks of his soul away as a sign of thankfulness or out of fear, set himself on fire and burned for eternities. And when we fight him, literally having defeated the kings, the god of death, the witch of izalith, seath and so on, getting power out of them, he still doesn't give in and fights to the bitter end, even able to keep up with Solaire's help. Heck, in DS3 the Cinder's last line of defense against you is using gwyn's soul, that is even more used by now than in DS1.
And his mental state isn't even described here.
well, we know that the nameless king is the son of gwyn. so gwyn would be as powerful as him if not MORE powerful. probably from did it on purpose, just to show you that he was like that, and now...he is like this...
lol Gwyn get parried stab
In his prime, Lord Gwyn was probably the most powerful being to exist. The end boss fight does not even show a fraction of his true power. So for many he is just nothing else than an old forgotten Lord.
actually the player never faces an Archdragon. the only one we see is chillin' in Ash Lake...and the Chosen Undead can't even hurt him, because the dude is fucking immortal to anything but the strongest sunlight spears.
Gwyn in his prime was definitely the strongest character in the Souls universe...he still was, after indeed giving part of his soul to whoever, and that very soul is still not completely snuffed after millenia of burning in the Kiln, fueling the Flame.
@@Katzekaze i bet manus stronger than gwyn
The very reason gwyn is prolonging the age of fire is the fear of the abyss
You can really appreciate how intricate and complex this piece is when the notes are allowed to linger a bit like this. Truely breathtaking!
TYSM!!!
At first when I entered the arena to fight Gwyn, I heard this and was so confused at first. I was expecting a grand cutscene showing Gwyn’s might, but no; I was just thrown into the fight with this music playing in the background. All I could then feel was immense guilt. All the lore finally connected for me and after the fight, it felt relieving and so depressing at the same time. I finally beat a game that I never thought I was going to beat ever in my lifetime.
But at the end, I lit the first flame and lost everyone and everything anyway. All I could tell myself was that I believed I did good, but at what cost?
Honestly hearing this with the boss fight would make it sound fitting cuz the music sounds like a husk as it used to be while gwyn was an empty shell on par to his prime state
thanks dude.yeah i really think that slow versions fit better than fast ones
The problem is that it would probably feel jarring compared to the speed of the fight
People always talk about how Gwyn is just a husk of his former self. This is true indeed, but not entirely. Sure you can parry him, but damn is he aggressive and fast. It’s good if you can even drink your estus. So while it’s true that he is not as powerful as he used to be, atleast for me he’s even still the hardest boss in the game. Only boss where drinking estus is almost impossible
@@generalmikalie2739 gwyn becomes one of the best fights in the game if you don't parry
@@generalmikalie2739 I'm not gonna lie my first run-through I kept getting bodied, I honestly didn't know how to parry that well so I fought him with havels armor and a black knight sword, I didn't even use sheild cuz my first run I thought sheilds were for cowards, but then after new game plus I used sheild. . . Don't judge pls
I personally think that he’s not a bad guy. Imagine if you created an empire for your family and friends just for one day everything you worked for will be turn to ash. The dude sacrifice himself so that his empire will last a little longer, I feel bad and also emphasize him for what he did. He’s a god that’s loosing his powers but refuse to accept it. In the end everything he have is ash.
He's still done some fucked up shit like to gwyndolin or the nameless king or for the ringed city
well hes not a bad guy....exceeeept for enslaving humanity with the dark sign, making a prison of a city at the edge of the world for those who have the power to rise against him, stripping his own son of power, cursing humanity to forever link the first flame to temporarily get rid of a curse he gave to them, linking the first flame thus starting a cycle that has destroyed the world, causing the abyss to go beserk permanently causing it to become "evil", etc. but yeah he's a """"good"""" guy.
@@marioplumber3378 No one here said he's a good guy. People are just trying to empathize with his choice to link the flame specifically, ofc we know he's done some mad tyrannical shit in his life.
@@armada6231 havel too
@@notjohncena6492
Honestly every character tragedy can go back to gwyn sin..
It’s decided, I want this playing at my funeral
Dark Souls is a game made by people that know how to make a tragedy world,
this game is 90% of the time struggle and perseverance,
some times in a boss fight you even begin to doubt if this struggle is even worth it,
you push forward, not matter the challenge, and yet, the game does not have a happy, satisfying ending.
You surely wondered what is your real purpose is this world, linking the first flame is the one set by default to you, but somehow even after you link the first flame there is still this feeling of seeking a purpose.
You fight in this lands with harsh boss fights, annoying enemies, but the same lands of good companions and friends.
But in the end, Dark Souls is a tragedy, and all of this companions are killed, all of the joy that you had is killed, just like how the fire fades and the world is consumed by darkness, you too, slowly becomes more hopeless about fighting in this world.
Dark Souls is a purposeless world, a sad, grim, aggresive world.
The pursuit of purpose in a purposeless world.
Terminas siendo que una ceniza más olvidada y sacrificada por un mundo muerto y decadente todos tus logros no son recordados y no as aliviado al mundo Solo mantienes la ilusión de grandeza de un mundo vacío y muerto sufriendo asta el fin del mundo por el intento de gwyng de mantener vivo su reino condenó a todos a pasar una eternidad de sufrimiento por mantener una ilusión
Then comes the more depressing bloodborne
Awesome profile picture dude! /)
This almost sounds familiar…like our own world. Ironic
@@eternalhistory4706 cry about it or do something about it lol
A king who rules over an ever expanding empire, now only rules over its ruins, rubble and... ash
Gwyn, once the lord of sunlight, now only rules over nothing but cinders.
Nunca acepto que su reino algún día caería en una maldición y que está era había acabado no acepto que la solución siempre fue la disparidad de luz y oscuridad vida y muerte las reglas del universo básicas de dark souls las rompió con la señal oscura y el enlace de la llama
Lord Gwyn is still my Lord, even though corrupted by the Abyss I kneel before him since his flame will always guide us.
You Can parry Gwyn But ya Can't Parry the FEELS
Everyone is a gangster untill Gwyns theme kicks in
His story is soooo sad..smh an excellent character for a truly amazing game
*agreement*
Naah Vendrick one is far better
I still he think he is the antagonist who wants to prevent the natural cycle of existence
@@UnsungTrashman Nah that’s unfair, Vendrick isn’t at all a carbon copy, the Ivory King would probably be the closest to a Gwyn wannabe (mighty king that battled the forces of chaos and ended up sacrificing his life to a flame that charred him and his most loyal knights) and I hope we don’t have to establish that he isn’t.
@@monex6447 He doesn’t want to though, that cycle isn’t natural at all, and it’s not a cycle, it’s a straight line Age of Ancient->Age of fire->Age of Dark.
The only cosmic cycle in DS is the cycle of the linking of the fire, a purely natural cycle (what’s more natural to prolong a fire’s life than to feed it fuel, especially fuel that was taken from it to begin with).
What’s not natural is the transition from the age of ancients to the age of fire, it’s almost literally man made, except it’s not man but gods and men and witches and skeletons.
And natural isn’t good anyway, not by default, and certainly not in this case, so why would Gwyn be the antagonist when all he did was sacrifice himself to give others more time to live.
It's honestly amazing how this game plays with your feelings. If you think about it, Gwyn is a unique character because of how YOU the player view him. Some view him as the villain who got what deserved in the end, for permanently changing the cycle of nature and betraying humanity. Others see him as a hero, who fought valiantly for what he held dear and bravely sacrificed to save what was left of his crumbling legacy. Be it, villain or hero, let it be known: That Gwyn's character was amazing in terms of lore. That and he was scared of the dark 🤣
To be accurate, this can be played on piano. It's only three-half steps down from the original key. I play it this way all the time, cuz I like it better.
plllllliiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnn plllllllllllliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnn plllllllllllloooooooooooonnnnnn
I've been trying to learn this on guitar. It is not easy at all.
You’ll need to understand how to time those parries, then
Any other game developer would have chosen combat music, with drums and heroic voices, this is why dark souls is the best game ever made - even the theme of the final fight is philosophy, beauty and sadness.
_"Any other game developer would have chosen combat music, with drums and heroic voices"_
Radagon: "Hold my runes."
@@theobell2002 Radagon isn´t Gwyn and Eldenring isn´t dark souls, and it´s 2022 :D
Gwyn had good intentions but you we all know the saying. Dark souls and Soulsborne in general are beautifully tragic games that taught me so much about life and existence. The struggle of life along with the inevitability of everything eventually becoming unrecognizable or gone.
It leaves you wondering if sacrificing everything is worth anything if it leaves you like this in the end.
This sounds even more sad than the original
I just finished the game and I have to say that this choice on theme is incredible. Gwyn is not a good person but you can understand where he is coming from. Thought this whole situation reminds me of something that blind gaint said. I barley remember but I believe it was about how people can bring about thier own ends.
Gwyn is nothing but a poor old man afraid of the dark. He was afraid of humanity and their dark soul, their age of reign.
At first I hated Gwyn, but I kinda want to talk with him about embracing the changes. I mean, at that point he still had a family which loved him. He could forgive his son, get his granddaughter outta that painting and just live as a happy family.
It is ironic how a deity fell victim to human emotion
he's not a deity, just a hollow that one lucky day found le epic soul in the first flame, instead of finding it within oneself
@Freejay Free velka? Now I know you made that up, she's the hidden child of Guinevere and she's in the painting to keep herself safe being the only crossbreed of the time
@Freejay Free half breed child indicates a sin committed, velka creating a prison world for the gods best kept secret is more likely imo than an unseen God we've never seen before. I just can't see velka the goddess of sin and judgment to create something like that.
@Freejay Freegwyn :hates dragons
Also gwyn:here seathe,you have dukedom seath
@@notjohncena6492 I know you probably already know this but seath betrayed the other dragons
This fight is heartbreaking.
Más que nada porque sientes pena por gwyng que intento hacer lo mejor y su último aliento condenó al mundo
"Your fight is done, hollowed king, for there is no kingdom left to protect it has all been turned into ash only ash only ruin... Only... Inevitably" - chosen undead
@@Duczmaxtv i just thought we cant yap in souls series
When this fight happened in my first playthrough, I was glad I died so I coukd hear this master piece again. Since then it's been sitting in my playlist.
I would love to sit and listen to a conversation between the mighty gwyn and king vendrick.
A beauty
Thank the youtube algorithm for this gem ❤️
You lit your sword and Gwyn comes towards you you kill him and you feel bad for killing him
First try ever? This is excellent man
get this man more views!
big thanks man,appreciate this bro!
Pov : Last man standing on a Pijama Party, because everyone is still sleeping
when you end an invasion, but instead of going to your bonfire the first cinematic plays
Emotionally i am here until the end of my days.
to the end he is no more than an old man afraid of the dark
Before : Plin Plin Plon
Now : P L O N P L O N P L U N
we know that Gwyn feared humanity and did everything to contain it, fear can turn into anger and hate, what he did to the pygmies was very wrong and in the end they suffered for nothing the era of light ended all the same, that was the first sin, Gwyn caused a lot of chaos and pain by refusing to let his times fade away and give the dark his time in the world his the first sin cause the greatest unbalance the world has ever seen, he saw dark as and his greatest enemy and the greatest evil failing to se that light and dark are nither good or evil they are two sides if the same coin.
with his dying breath gwyn committed the greatest sin of all creating a way to stop the dark from having his time in the world by deceiving the world that the age of fire must be maintain and the one who sacrifices into the flame will be a hero when in reality it will be an oppressor denying the creatures if dark there time in the world forever fighting to bring balance by letting the fire fade and live in peace until fire naturally ignites ones again within the roots if the old world to start another age of fire time and time again. The times before Gwyn the world hade a perfect balance and everlasting circle of light and dark where the light will fade away and within the dark a spark will ignite a new flame but now many will follow on the steps of Lord Gwyn fighting for the era of fire a horror that last thousands of years creating an undead world with no hope other than the one single undead making the right choice ones he stands on the ashes laying around a bonfire that should have never being created.
very fascinating story for real I can say that this will stay with me for a very long time and it has so far, i hope one day this type of mitology and storytelling gets the recognition it deserves and looks like the times are changing, with or boy Miyazaki getting awards left and right and creating a new game with none other than G.g.r Martin cant wait for elden ring. and i hope dark sols stills has some fire left for the future.
"we know that Gwyn feared humanity and did everything to contain it"
... You mean, except actually killing it off, like he could probably easily have done thanks to the might of his soul and the power of izalith and nito ?
"what he did to the pygmies"
... Protecting them from the greed of men, as we see in the multiple human armies that tried to invade the ringed city ?
"that was the first sin"
DS2 is never clear on what the first sin is, and it could be a thousand different things, both that we were told about and weren't told about.
"Gwyn caused a lot of chaos and pain by refusing to let his times fade away"
No, gwyn allowed unrivaled prosperity to last for longer, the chaos and the pains arrived because of the dark, the very thing he wanted to ward off.
"with his dying breath gwyn committed the greatest sin of all creating a way to stop the dark from having his time in the world"
... That's not what he did though, how is it sinful to extend a good age by taking on to yourself the toll of extending that age ?
Especially when the age you want to avoid is both eternal and shitty.
"deceiving the world that the age of fire must be maintain"
It doesn't have to be maintained, if you want to live a garbage life as a hollow go on.
"when in reality it will be an oppressor denying the creatures if dark there time in the world"
Oh boohoo, the poor darkwraiths and locust preachers that can't steal humans' essence/eat humans/both in peace, what poor creature, what an asshole gwyn was by stopping them from taking over.
"forever fighting to bring balance by letting the fire fade and live in peace"
... Live in peace ? The creatures of the dark ? Pray tell, how peaceful is Nashandra, Nadalia, Elana, the hollows, the darkwraiths, or the locust preachers ?
The "peace" they know is, at best, the inactivity that hollows can have, but that's at best the same peace as death, except that at any moment you can rise up to attack a living being nearby.
That's not peace.
"until fire naturally ignites ones again"
Never is it said ever that this will occur, and in fact DS3 hints pretty heavily at the fact that the only reason why the fire might lit up again is thanks to the linkings of the fire, "I sense the presence of tiny flames. Like precious embers, left to us by past Lords, linkers of the fire."
"The times before Gwyn the world hade a perfect balance and everlasting circle of light and dark"
... No, before Gwyn the world was stuck in the age of ancients, with nothing moving, living or dying, with only archtrees and everlasting dragons.
There was no circle of light and dark, there was no light or dark, those appeared with the first flame, as explicitly stated in the opening of DS1.
"very fascinating story for real"
Yeah, a shame it's not the game's though.
@@nathanjora7627 people like Yuria and the daughters of manus are the evil of man. They show an age no better than gwyns. There's a reason that yurias fixated on the cycle created by gwyn and talks in the mannerisms of God's, she's a parallel of him.
A peaceful and natural age of dark would presumably be akin to that created by gael and his niece.
The truth of dark souls is that no is really the good guy, humans would have been just as shitty as lords if they had the chance.
The only innocent race seems to be the giants, and that's only because there always subjugated in every age.
@@nathanjora7627 Ay bro everything you said is wrong
All of what the other guy said is right
Just look at the lore of the games!
@@mr.fister4738 Yeah I've looked at it, which is how I can tell that OP id wrong.
If you want we can just go over some of my points if you don't believe me, I'll provide the reference (which'd be a fair request, there are so many things from OP that I needed to adress that I barely gave any references at all).
I feel like a lot of people like you are just being edgy and think they're smart because they say that Gwyn is evil. He did do some messed up things, and he definently isn't the hero of his story, ut he still remained one of the more moral characters in a world devoid of heroes. He feared the dark more than anything because it meant the death of this world, not because men would prosper in it - in fact they wouldn't, that's only a lie Kaathe tells to sway the Chosen Undead. New Londo and Oolacile are prime examples of what happens when men are fully exposed to the dark. Remorseless, murderous Darkwraiths and mad shells of people with their humanity went wild doesn't really sound like a good time, does it now? That's what Gwyn wanted to avoid. And yes, his means were questionable. He made the Ringed City as a prison for men, even though it was a very comfortable prison at that - until the dark seeped in, the same dark that Gwyn was so terrified of. Other things, like the Darksign were not directly his doing, just the harmful side effect of his actions - side effects he had no reason to anticipate. At the end, Gwyn was thrown into this world of Fire just as clueless as any Hollow; but he cherished the Fire, not because it kept him in power, but because he truly loved it. Noting proves this quite as much as his sacrifice. Gwyn sacrificed his life, his power, his sanity, his soul to maintain his beloved Fire just a little longer; and that was an act of gentle love, not interest or power games, as it was the very last thing he did as the Lord of Sunlight. He did not know what kind of ancient cycle he's messing up or what kind of prophecy is he going aganist; he simply saw something he truly loved, and protected it, because it was all he has ever known. If that makes him a villain in your book, you need help.
thanks, i cried
Very good Version. Great Job!
Appreciate this a lot.Tysm for feedback.
big sword guy gets parried brrrrrrrr
This is great, sounds like it should be the original
1:22 - Best part of the song! I cri every time! Best song to end the best game ever!
appreciate the feedback bro
This is just represented of being emptiness void, and plin plin plon. But more slowly
🔥🔥🔥 This song is fire 🔥🔥🔥
No…it’s cinder
I see what you did there😂
Plin Plin Plon > Plin Plin Plon ?
what he couldn't accept was being subject to the laws of time, and the inevitable end of fire that entails. Fire doesn't burn forever after all.
Doing something is better than just accepting that everything is screwed
@@gorilla_2282 except that everytime somebody links the fire, the world seems to get more screwed up
@@nobody4062
Yes. In real life, as long as you keep on fueling the flame, the lesser the flammables are. The laws of nature will change for the worst if this practice of rekindling is continued even if the sigh of relief is only for short-terms.
This soundtrack gives a sad feeling. Something coming to an end.
This whole fight is supposed to be a mercy kill
You ever just let it out to this song ;-;
now i'm sad
I love this, thanks man.
appreciate a lot!
1:23 is so dreamy
shed tear but almost a cry for gwyn, lord of cinder..
Depression 115%
A man cannot plin without his plin plon.
2400 Views and 200'000 more on the road. Love it
thank$ man appreciate a lot!!
This would be perfect if there was phase 2 in the fight.
It shoukdave been gwyn using the flames power than the flame using him
even sadder plin plin plon
"No king rules forever, my son." - King Terenas Menethil
searched plin plin plon slowed and was surprised youtube knew what i meant
You changed plin plin plon into plinnnnn plinnnnnn plonnnnn
it hurts
Actually pretty fit, wth? Thank you for upload!
Me when today isn't January 21st 2022
plin plin plon 😔
This has been mentioned in some comments, but i want to add to it.
You've fought through so much stuff, so much difficult stuff. Normally, you'd think that the final boss would be the toughest of them all, and you're not to blame. But no, he's just an old man.
Through the entirety of the game, you're told how great Gwyn is, how strong he is and what great things he has done, yet you find yourself facing a destroyed, fading semblance of what was once Gwyn, and that's exactly why you can even beat him to begin with... because he is a husk of his past self.
i think this exactly what fromsoftware wanted to do, and they succeed it pretty well i can say
I going to cry...
aaaw maan i thought you where playing the piano slow. really looking forward to that. but hey this sounds great too!
plin plin plon ;_;
idk why they didn't make his theme slower to begin with, it's a lot more fitting.
I’d wager it’s because it’s a fight, and a fast hitting boss, faster music fits better in that context.
That said, listening to it purely for its own sake it’s much better with that pace, more melancholic, calm, and less aggressive, the latter two being the thing that would maybe have jarred a little with the rhythm of the fight (if you don’t parry him).
Yes im agree. No matter how tragic his story is untill the bossfight is fastpacing.But i think , they were able to make a slower one,then Gwyn is weak and slow as well as music.
But, as argument to Ry I can say Pontiff Salyvahn have a slow theme despite the fact that his bossfight is fastpaced as well as Gwyn one.
@@triquepilaTERRORCLUB Pontiff’s theme is slower, sure, but it’s also very different, and so is his fight.
To be fair though, although his theme starts very slow, it actually quickens relatively quickly, in the first twenty/thirty seconds. It doesn’t become fast paced don’t get me wrong, it’s just faster paced than at the beginning, which to me makes sense since it’s after those twenty/thirty seconds that the fight really picks up.
Edit : actually, the violins are pretty fast quite often, as violins usually are, so the music isn’t entirely slow paced either.
Edit 2 : also, I just remembered but Pontiff isn’t as on the offensive as Gwyn, he’ll make pauses every so often, which Gwyn never does, he goes full speed ahead only with his second phase, and if you listen the latter half of his theme is actually fairly quickly paced, so I do really think that they are trying to match somewhat the tempo and the speed of attacks/number of attacks per second.
But I can only speculate, and I’m no musician, so maybe my guess is totally offbase, it’s just the best I can come up with.
@@nathanjora7627 yea, u'r right.i forgot that his theme is becoming faster after first 30 seconds.
But i think that music should fit to the storyline more than to a bossfight.Ofc souls series is about fights rather than a story, but maybe in alternative universe everything is like i said.
@@triquepilaTERRORCLUB I agree it should fit the storyline, I don’t know about fitting the storyline « more » than the fight, but to be fair, it’s not just Gwyn’s theme, it’s also the theme of the climax of the game, right before the resolution, from that perspective making it a little bit more fast paced also makes sense both in relation to the fight and the story.
Speaking of « fitting the storyline » though, and since you brought up Pontiff, I feel like there are far less meaningful themes in DS3 than in DS1.
Like, it feels to me like less of them tell a story compared to the themes from DS1 that tell a story (mainly sif’s, artorias’s, Gwyn’s, Gwyndolin’s, and... I think that’s all ?), or that those that do tell a story aren’t as impactful as the ones that do in DS1 maybe ?
I don’t know, I feel like there is something off with a lot of DS3’s music, despite the fact that they are pretty much all masterpieces, which, thinking about it, may be the issue (when all the musics are masterpieces, the more important musics won’t stick out as much as they would have if the other musics hadn’t been as impressive as the important ones. Like, if Taurus and Capra and the gargoyles and all the minor bosses in DS1, lore wise, had as meaningful and impactful themes as Gwyn’s, I don’t know that Gwyn’s theme would’ve hit so hard, do you see what I mean ?).
No way to dodge the feels 😢
Today i finished dark souls 3 and i feel empty
I know the feeling.
Si se siente haci porque es una historia que no se resuelve condenado a estar siempre haci y en un final de acabo con el fuego y termino en un apocalipsis nadie ningún reino sobrevivió
Plin plin plon hits different
This sounds so relaxing, yet depressing, still love it tho
Plin plin plon...
This is no longer plin plin plon
This is plon plon plun
incredible
thaaaanks man!
Nostalgic
I loved this theme before even playing any souls game, today i am playing elden's ring, and it is a fucking struggle but keep going BOOOM
And I thought city of tears theme from hollow knight hit hard (still does and has the same feeling) but after elden ring brought me to authentic fromsoft I saw this
Yo this is great :D
Pain...
I cried slowly
plin plin plon...
Awesome stuff, dude!
sounds good
Great Job! ❤️
Thx u so much friend!Much love
this shit hits so hard...
Depression final state:
pliiiiiiinpliiiiiiiiiiiinploooooon
Did we kill him cause he was in are way, or cause the bad things he did. I feel bad for this old man, tired of being a living match stick
If you double the speed, it sounds cursed.
Sad plin plin plon :'(
plin plin plon
I was snatched by a shadowy black limb and brought to the past to massacre my dearest gwyn
I love it :)...Btw who is the author of the background artwork? Can you put his name into description, pls?
HOW IS IT EVEN SADDER?????