Congrats on reaching 100k subscribers you deserve it! This channel as well as your new one are among my favorites. I like how you describe current astronomical events in scientific terms while going over all the possibilities for explanations to things that are yet to be understood while doing it in a way that’s easy to understand. Congrats again!
Hey JMG as you said in your ending comments, we find out how rare Ouimuamua truly is and we do decide to try to catch up to it. How would we do it in your opinion. You think it's even possible to catch up if we did somehow know it's true trajectory possibly speed?
I still find it very suspicious that the first definite interstellar object, that we have discovered, would make a VERY close pass to the sun, resulting in a major course change, followed by a small "course correction", AND have a very unusual spindle or cylindrical shape, that has NEVER been seen to occur naturally in the Solar system.
Even more suspicious, a SECOND interstellar object is visiting the INNER SOLAR SYSTEM, and it will also make a large course change via slingshot. It is called C/2019 Q4 (Borisov). If the renowned A.C. Clarke was right, there should be a third in the near future. The odds seem pretty high against this happening twice in a row; the inner Solar system is not that big of a target!
You comments satisfiy my imagination but my own guess is that we didn't have the right equipment to detect such interstellar visitors in order to examine their movement, therefore it may not be so suspicious.
@@LAMPROS311 we presumed our system was relatively average until we learned it really isn't. We might also currently believe that common events are rare
Sorry to reply to a five year old comment, but I needed to put my two cents in. The inner solar system is not that big of a target, but every object in the solar system is constantly being pulled towards the inner solar system due to gravity from the sun. Any object entering our solar system that does not have an established orbit around the sun, will be drawn to it. That doesn't mean that Oumuamua isn't strange, or that two interstellar objects entering our solar system back to back isn't also strange, but two objects entering the inner solar system is not at all strange.
This makes me realize that aliens would never attack us in the traditional sense of landing and blasting us with lasers, they would undoubtedly nudge an asteroid or two in our direction, let the impact do the work then show up decades later for whatever it is they originally wanted.
eh idk if you found out on the edge of our solar system intelligent life had formed would you not even want to go see them or try to talk somehow I think much we could learn from something like that for both of us but then again maybe this could go badly for us I would love it good or bad tho I think it should be the next step for us as a species
Going off the whole lightsail theory, I have my own inkling. Let's just say for arguments sake that yes it is an artificial construct and it indeed is a lightsail. Well why assume it's an active sail? It could essentially be spacejunk. Look at our own space programs. We have lots of little bits and pieces floating around in orbit from our various launches. So whose to say this isn't just the equivalent from another civilization? They launched a probe for whatever reason, used a sail for some cheap acceleration within their own system, the sail detached when it was no longer necessary and just started free floating around getting pulled this way and that by various stars and planets. Everyone seems to be under this peculiar perception that any other advanced civilization is going to do things like space exploration and study cleanly and perfectly. While that may be possible in the longrun, any species capable of spaceflight is going to go through a period of disposable equipment until their technology advances enough to move past disposable systems and components. That is just an unavoidable aspect of the evolution of technology.
I'm really starting to think that the difficult task of sending a probe to Oumuamua is becoming increasingly outweighed by how important it could be to visit. Whether it is natural or otherwise.
You can forget about that I think. Governments spend our money on banks, war and more surveillance cameras with which to watch us. They do not spend any of it on exploring space. If you don't believe me, check out the budgets for the space expeditions you do know of, and then compare that to what was spent on the 2008 bank bailout and others like it, or to what has been spent on the 100% pointless occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq. Space exploration basically has the budget of a lemonade stand.
I'm beginning to think Oumuamua is a long lost artifact from a world not so different than ours. Checking this out should be our No1 goal...before it is too late. Great video by the way John.
We have thousands of years worth of time, before it leaves the solar system. If telescopes keep increasing in size, it might also be possible Oumuamua will become easily visible with future technology.
@@hamstsorkxxor , naw.... That thing is hauling a$$. It's way faster than the Voyager probes. We would need gigawatt laser light sail propulsion to catch it with a cellphone. It has more than twice the delta V of any chemical rocket.
@@TP-tc7vp Because we're getting better and better at tracking them. Perhaps these interstellar objects aren't rare at all, instead we just didn't really notice them before.
@@TP-tc7vp We've basically only recently been able to even detect these kinds of objects. The technology is getting much better and detectors are becoming more numerous, so we are likely to observe more and more of them.
Excellent video again, John. I am truly fascinated about Oumuamua and I am excited on what the scientific community will come up with after further in depth research on its odd features.
Not much in the way of rigorous research can be done with so little data, and little opportunity to obtain more (unless we develop the technology to chase after it). I feel like it's mostly to generate publicity and funding. Maybe squeeze a publication and a few citations out of it. I'm an astronomer, by the way, not some random dude ranting about how science is fake on the Internet. I sure am tired of hearing about Oumuamua.
see Harvard's crew Avi Loeb proving details. Why did the powers not know and define the approach before it passed too far away. Think, why not shown in photos as we can photo small details on Mars more BS, showing metalic case with bio materials, hmmm seems like a ISS type of craft
@@kimokla3874 ur actually insane. Hopefully now that this is in hindsight, you can look back ang go, "Wow, I was pretty silly calling that rock a conspiracy space ship"
Maybe in a few weeks we'll get a radio signal from Oumuamua: 'seriously guys, we just sent a luxury star liner to fetch you and you couldn't even be bothered to get onboard? Well, next scheduled ship will pass in 2 billion years!'
Better than getting this message: "All the planning charts and demolition orders have been on display in your local planning department in Alpha Centauri for fifty of your Earth years, so you’ve had plenty of time to lodge any formal complaint and it’s far too late to start making a fuss about it now.’"
I love the way you present your content. The narration is great, videos are very well-written and produced, and your choice of music complements it all so nicely! Even though the possibility is remote, it would be amazing if Oumuamua were of artificial origin!
Great video, man! I kept running into 3 minute clips of info about our strange visitor and none of them went into any depth at all. Thanks for taking the time to collect all this information and presenting it to us 'laymen' in an understandable and entertaining way. I don't know what kind of love you get for your videos but I recently found you after stumbling onto Isaac's stuff and just wanted to say your efforts are much appreciated by this human here! Look forward to more from you good sir! Take care.
I like how you present all these videos. You're pretty clear about facts, ideas, hypotheses/theories, and probabilities...very professional, far above the all-too-common agenda/conspiracy pushers.
It's an alien vessel that intercepted a transmission of one of our "reality" shows and is currently marking our system for destruction by its waiting fleet.
Rendezvous with Rama was terrifying. He described the odd spatial feeling of the structure so well that I dreamed about being there. Thinking about the realities of space is a nightmare.
The Narrator is doing an amazing job, really enhanced the quality of this video and made it so enjoyable to watch & listen. Wonderful job on the video overall! New subscriber well earned 😊👌
I like how you explain all the details and possibilities scientifically, including presenting the acceptable/reasonable fringe speculation while acknowledging the issues and stressing that it's highly theoretical.
Oumuamua is as popular in popular science as Tabby's Star! Whether natural or artificial, this is a most interesting object - and your channel coverage has been stellar! (To quote a certain (in)famous presenter - "I'm not saying it's aliens, but it's aliens!")
@Michael Anthony Science hasn't lost any credibility. The alien option should always be considered, especially when a natural explanation is not (yet) present. Tabby's star most certainly isn't of alien origin, and probably neither is 'Oumuamua, but that doesn't mean nothing can be. Don't get me wrong, natural explanations are always more credible, but an alien origin should never be dismissed immediately.
It’s difficult to write a suitable comment after such a comprehensive and well articulated video, but I’ll try 😀 I find the likelihood of an artificial origin of ‘Oumuamua to be exceedingly unlikely though I don’t believe it can be ruled out, either. At least not as of now. But I don’t know how much we will be able to learn about it either, even after some of these new telescopes come online. I’m sure it will be one of the higher priorities for solar system science, but the competition is going to be intense that it will limit how much we can expect to learn as it fades to even fainter magnitudes. Great discussion as always!
For anyone wondering why 'Oumuamua couldn't have come from Vega: It's in line with Vega's current position, but Vega is moving. In the time it would have taken for 'Oumuamua to get from there to here (about 600,000 years given its velocity), Vega would have been in the constellation Hercules from our perspective, rather than the constellation Lyra (where Vega is now and the direction from which 'Ouamuamua came).
@Michael Anthony LOL! I was hoping for a deep intellectual answer but this genuinely funny one will do. This is something Bart Simpson would have said.
Not much of a deep answer... The Vega connection was based on trajectory. They calculated where stars were at the time of it's passing based on velocity, time, and direction...
@@ZeonAndOnly "Why is everyone assuming constant velocity" - because there's no reason to assume otherwise. I could say "it started spinning all of a sudden when it entered the solar system," but I wouldn't have a leg to stand on; the same is true with the claim it has been decelerating and maneuvering for decades. We have to go by what we've observed and infer only what that supports; the idea that it maneuvered or decelerated just isn't supported. That's why the observation that it accelerated in spite of our not having observed it outgassing was so interesting: if we assume seemingly-inert space objects decelerate and maneuver, it's not news that we saw one accelerate. That said, seeing it accelerate without outgassing only means that one pixel on a sensor did not get brighter in the way an outgassing comet shedding ice and water vapor would, which could have many explanations: * The outgassing could have been obscured by carbon dust. Spectroscopic readings suggested 'Oumumua was coated with carbon dust, which might have been shed during outgassing. * The outgassed material might have been harder, staying intact on the object. Comets are like snowballs, and shed ice crystals along with water vapor. That's the brightest aspect of the coma/tail, and solid ice stuck to a carbonaceous object might have sublimated without shedding snow, making it less visible. * The outgassed material might have been deeper in the object than the usual snowy frosting on a comet. Ice in a crater or crack might have more time to melt and dislodge (or be bounced against the side of a crack, exposing it to more heat and melting it), again reducing the amount of highly-reflective ice crystals, so that the outgassing only consisted of water vapor. * The outgassed material might not have been water. 'Oumuamua traveled a very long time through very cold space, according to all indications, and while we expect water ice is relatively common compared to other things that could have outgassed, it could have potentially had some other material on it that melted or sublimated and didn't shine quite as bright as snow. Spectroscopy suggests it's carbonaceous, at least the part reflecting sunlight, so perhaps it shed some organic compound: frozen CO2, for example, and it reacted without shining as much as water ice/vapor.
The first part of your comment shouldn't even need to be said, but here we are in 2018... How to understand one's environment (including space) comes from the observations of others and we develop a consensus based on those findings, not an ideology or style thing, just what your own damn eyes see. Now if ZeonAndOnly has figures that aren't drawn in crayon showing it's been "decelerating and maneuvering" then that should be presented to the scientific community but in the meantime safe to assume such claims are a load of bollocks. Having said that your possible explanations for outgassing are interesting and while the video was utterly thought provoking it certainly would've been helped by your comment, and that same level of detail for each of the video author's conjectures. Still, I'm left wondering what the rate of acceleration was and how that compares with the reaction that would be produced from various carbon emitting events? Shame we won't be able to intercept it and learn more!
John, I'd like to ask for one teeny, tiny favor: Would it be possible to schedule when and where in your videos the ads come in? That way, you could put them in between paragraphs, and it wouldn't interrupt the natural flow or cut your narration off, mid-word. Redlettermedia does that. Thanks!
I am hypnotized, and going to have watch this twice. I am not complaining. Very pretty, great music, love the narrator, and loaded w info. Very well made! Thank you so much!
My dumb ass logic: This is possibly a alien ship that got into a really ugly battle and lost. After somehow escaping, it disguised itself as a space rock to not only hide itself from its enemies but from other eyes (like ours).
1. It accelerated as it was on it's way out of the solar system. 2. It's rotation and oscillations were on three dimensions allowing centrifical gravity on all internal surfaces on the exterior shell.
My first thought on hearing about this object was that any civilization wanting to probe other systems might actually turn an asteroid into a probe and send it on its way.
Would be cool,but it is not possible. Even if it came from our nearest neighbour , Andromeda, it would take longer than the age of the universe to travel that distance. Fun to think about though.
Very interesting. How does something outgas anything approximating the volume necessary to change vector, when it's apparently very thin and has a low mass with a huge surface area whilst randomly tumbling? You'd expect it'd have evaporated in the solar wind by now. If it did loose mass, maybe it's left something (not reflective) behind. I admit, the lightsail theory is compelling until you realise it seems to be spinning around. Maybe it's a heliograph. Each time we see reflected light flash directly at earth it's alien semaphore. Who's got some supercomputer time going spare? Run the numbers people! The hunter will disguise traps by artfully camouflaging the mechanism with natural random decoration. The tumbling act of this object seems to have the same smell.
"How does something outgas anything approximating the volume necessary to change vector, when it's apparently very thin and has a low mass with a huge surface area whilst randomly tumbling?" Well, keep in mind the idea that it's very thin and low-mass is proposed as an alternative to it outgassing. We don't know that it's thin and low-mass, that's what the Harvard team proposes as an alternative to its acceleration being due to outgassing. They theorized that light pressure could account for the change in velocity, but it would require that it was extremely light and thin. If it was, then it wouldn't be outgassing, as you would have accounted for all the thrust with light pressure.
@@thetrumanshow4791 It slowed down to get near the Sun so it could gain fuel from it (the reason it came by). Really it ignored the explorers on it. I don't know if it was different in the sequels though or something was retconned.
The tiniest movement at such speeds are very likely to tear it apart. I'd like to see calculations on how it could turn around and when it would be able to and still be intact.
"Mysterious interstellar object." We are like some cavemen on a remote island in the God's Must be Crazy, marveling at anything that graces our solar system with its presence, however briefly. It's kinda funny. The fact that an oddly shaped rock has caused such consternation in the scientific community, shows how little we know. I guess it's fitting that the object was discovered by people on an island sitting in the middle of the Pacific Ocean
The great question is weather we will move off this planet or not.. and hopefully some day be the subject of consternation for some other species billions of years in the future
Radar imaging should have been possible with Oumuamua. I have seen this done with other asteroids. I know for certain that the Arecibo radio telescope has done this before. Also, I surmise that the Green Bank II and Parkes radio telescopes have the gain to do this. Does anyone know if this was attempted? It is good to keep in mind that the beautiful CGI of the Oumuamua object tumbling by in this video is in its detail an artists conception. Such detail could not have been inferred from Oumuamua's light curve.
Thanks for the summary of the latest on this object. I did a double take when I saw the running time on this video. It just might be the longest I have seen on this channel.
great book similar scenario....."Rendezvous with Rama", next time around have an exploration ship ready,internationally funded and manned so there are no arguments or incidents like the book.Make it a WORLD project,almost like a religion, for whenever it comes around again!! :-)
whatever Oumuamua really is nobody seems to think about the possibility just crossed my mind ! Stupid or not the idea just by looking how its trajectory changed since passed through our solar system , reminded to me the ball in the old pinball arcade games . Why I mention that ? because they said nobody was able to find its origin . Who can tell with certainty how many times this object passed through the gravitational pull of some celestial body and changed its trajectory . Another thing was mentioned to this video was its weird acceleration , which is not as weird as we might think because WE use the same principal to travel to Mars , its called slingshot effect .
Amazingly informative and highly detailed work. I am so happy to find your channel! Great post! One more thing to add; the object needs to be intercepted! This is beyond rare!
I'm not saying it's aliens. BUT, if it I was traveling in a cigar shaped spaceship and realized that there was a species capable of detecting my ship, making the ship tumble would be probably be the best/easiest way of disguise your real nature.
3:00 I just saw the Ted talk from the lady who discovered it and she said that in lieu of calling it I-3729w0wi6, they called it Rama. But they didn't feel like it was quite right so they consulted with local experts and came up with Oumouamoua.
man, (although as i said before i don't like the dadjoke as the end) your outro is very very good and inspiring (and indicative of a professional writer) and lastly i love the "liiiiiiiiiive" version so much!!! Thanks for the free entertainment, keep up the good work!
We may not be able to infer where it came from, we should be able to predict where it is going. Natural object? probably. Artificial object? the destination/path would offer a clue.
It is moving like a comet when we thought it would move like an asteroid. It do not move randomly but in predictible way, only not the predictible way scientists assumed it would.
I like the information about 'Omuamua. The more we study it, the more natural explanations seem to be eliminated. At what point do we say that it being something like a big piece of sheet metal of alien origin fits the facts better than any other idea?
Given that we cannot trace at all it's path of travel in the past beyond a few million years, what if it were actually intergalactic rather than interstellar? And being even far, far older by far than what we are even guessing at currently. Either way, obtaining and studying core samples of this traveler would be hugely interesting and revealing. Is there any data available as to it's trajectory, where it's heading to, distance to the next star system encounter, speed of travel away from us, etc., etc.?
@@Admiralty86 That's true regarding galaxies that are far distant from one another. The rate at which the space between them is expanding is such that it would be necessary to exceed the speed of light to travel from one to another (which is of course impossible). But nearby galaxies do form groups that are loosely held together by gravity. Our galaxy is part of the Local Group which also includes Andromeda and some smaller dwarf galaxies. I suppose it's not impossible that Oumuamua could have come from somewhere else in the Local Group, but it's more probable that it originated within our own Milky Way.
Recon 101 - Camouflage. If we’re going to entertain the idea of a possible alien origin for speculation’s sake camouflage must enter the discussion both in the physical characteristics of said device, if we’re going to presume it is one (so as not to tip your hand to a possible hostile civilization), and the LSR to mask its origin. Both are suspicious from a tactical perspective because camo is going to be a top priority for any civilization that is competent enough to recognize the risks that others, if they exist, may not be particularly friendly. So there are two things to consider - you want to be able to blend in (and in space a rock is the best option) so as not to give yourself away presuming any civilization may be capable of detecting a recon device, and speed to mask its origin so they can’t trace it back to you (in the event they’re xenophobic and recognize that offensive warfare is the only type of conflict that makes logistical sense in space). Tumbling is a nice touch, if it is such a device, which would imply tactical cleverness - not a good sign if THEY are xenophobic, for instance. Entertaining that it IS of artificial origin we must also presume that we may not be observing it as it is truly capable. Jump it in at high speed, slow it down to the LSR, set it on a course of a close pass, establish a tumble or some other erratic flight characteristic to dispel suspicion of a sufficiently advanced civ, and use relatively low-power surveillance equipment to get a better idea of the dynamics of the planet and the capacities of any potential civilization residing there. That’s the object of recon and other intelligence gathering missions - give away as little information as possible while collecting as much information as possible. People always bring up and discuss ‘drones’ and depict them as obviously artificial in origin. I’d have to say that if a civilization operates that way they’re not particularly wise - it should go as obvious that camouflage mitigates many potential risks.
Nah our best bet would be to track an incoming object somehow and getting the genuis' in astrophysics to work out a rondeveux point. Still the speeds of these objects makes getting close to them pretty damn hard with current tech.
Probably the same way our Voyager probes got a speed boost by passing close to the gas giants and taking a bit of momentum ("gravitational slingshot" or "gravity assist maneuver").
So many questions unanswered. I hope the space community is bold and sends an intercept probe. That would be such an exciting mission. Can you imagine the sheer speed the probe will to catch up to it.
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Its a Rock!!😂😂😂😂
who made the video clips you uses here?
I like your logo. Did you design it yourself or hire out?
Congrats on reaching 100k subscribers you deserve it! This channel as well as your new one are among my favorites. I like how you describe current astronomical events in scientific terms while going over all the possibilities for explanations to things that are yet to be understood while doing it in a way that’s easy to understand. Congrats again!
Hey JMG as you said in your ending comments, we find out how rare Ouimuamua truly is and we do decide to try to catch up to it. How would we do it in your opinion. You think it's even possible to catch up if we did somehow know it's true trajectory possibly speed?
imagine waking up one day and hearing in the news that Oumuamua came to a sudden complete halt and is making its way to earth
Its a rock😅😅😅
I for one welcome our new alien overlords.
I would want to see that happen in my lifetime.
@Scott Johnstone, unless there are other ways to "send" information that our primitive species is not yet aware of.👽
Damn, you just blew my mind. Seriously.
I still find it very suspicious that the first definite interstellar object, that we have discovered, would make a VERY close pass to the sun, resulting in a major course change, followed by a small "course correction", AND have a very unusual spindle or cylindrical shape, that has NEVER been seen to occur naturally in the Solar system.
Even more suspicious, a SECOND interstellar object is visiting the INNER SOLAR SYSTEM, and it will also make a large course change via slingshot. It is called C/2019 Q4 (Borisov). If the renowned A.C. Clarke was right, there should be a third in the near future. The odds seem pretty high against this happening twice in a row; the inner Solar system is not that big of a target!
You comments satisfiy my imagination but my own guess is that we didn't have the right equipment to detect such interstellar visitors in order to examine their movement, therefore it may not be so suspicious.
@@LAMPROS311 we presumed our system was relatively average until we learned it really isn't. We might also currently believe that common events are rare
Sorry to reply to a five year old comment, but I needed to put my two cents in. The inner solar system is not that big of a target, but every object in the solar system is constantly being pulled towards the inner solar system due to gravity from the sun. Any object entering our solar system that does not have an established orbit around the sun, will be drawn to it. That doesn't mean that Oumuamua isn't strange, or that two interstellar objects entering our solar system back to back isn't also strange, but two objects entering the inner solar system is not at all strange.
@@glizbaneit made 2 course corrections
This makes me realize that aliens would never attack us in the traditional sense of landing and blasting us with lasers, they would undoubtedly nudge an asteroid or two in our direction, let the impact do the work then show up decades later for whatever it is they originally wanted.
@@donversevr9514 _with humans, no third is required anymore. The Final days of Judgments by _*_God_*_ and free to take_
... luckily for us we don't have anything here that is worth traveling all the way here to get.
@@jengleheimerschmitt7941 As long as I'm not some being's kid's science experiment caught in a jar
eh idk if you found out on the edge of our solar system intelligent life had formed would you not even want to go see them or try to talk somehow I think much we could learn from something like that for both of us but then again maybe this could go badly for us I would love it good or bad tho I think it should be the next step for us as a species
although I think maybe we are all alone out here on our little rock it could be that we just got a bad hand from the universe :(
Maybe Oumuamua came from a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.
is that your guess or a synopsis of the video?
Well, yeah obviously.
I’ve assumed it’s a piece of Alderaan.
I’ve assumed it’s a piece of Alderaan.
This happens to be the best summary of Oumuamua that I have ever watched. Thanks for this detail, much appreciated!
That's one hell of a ride man.. What a soothing voice you've got
I agree with the soothing sound of his voice too.
Agreed the best voice in youtube 🔥
It's sure is intelligent alright.
It took one look at earth and kept on going!
🤣
Haha 👍
yep correct it dropped off some rocks with virus, bacteria and some DNA chunks
as the 1912 Flu delivered to lessen the population crowding
@@kimokla3874 well aren't you just a positive little cupcake?
Haha
A long time ago, in a solar system far away, someone on an alien starship was reprimanded for losing a cargo container. 😉
No some one flushed the toilet. They called it opooa pooa. But as usual those backwards humans didn't mistranslated it.
@@milkybar06 😂😂😂😂
Lucy!
m.blacktree ... or they ejected it because they were about to be boarded and didn't want to get caught with the contraband?
are u an englishmen? this is mundane and i like it
Going off the whole lightsail theory, I have my own inkling. Let's just say for arguments sake that yes it is an artificial construct and it indeed is a lightsail. Well why assume it's an active sail? It could essentially be spacejunk. Look at our own space programs. We have lots of little bits and pieces floating around in orbit from our various launches. So whose to say this isn't just the equivalent from another civilization? They launched a probe for whatever reason, used a sail for some cheap acceleration within their own system, the sail detached when it was no longer necessary and just started free floating around getting pulled this way and that by various stars and planets. Everyone seems to be under this peculiar perception that any other advanced civilization is going to do things like space exploration and study cleanly and perfectly. While that may be possible in the longrun, any species capable of spaceflight is going to go through a period of disposable equipment until their technology advances enough to move past disposable systems and components. That is just an unavoidable aspect of the evolution of technology.
I took a shot every time he said Oumuamua, and now I can see the whole Oort cloud.
@Easysquirts 69 What a strange statement.
Thank you for putting all the time in to make these incredible videos. I really appreciate your channel, John. Keep up the great work!
“What is that?”
“It appears to be a...mmm.a......muuuuu...”
“Oumuamua?”
“Yes! That.”
Sun: Stop throwing stuff at my planets!
Beta Pictoris: Sorry...
I'm really starting to think that the difficult task of sending a probe to Oumuamua is becoming increasingly outweighed by how important it could be to visit. Whether it is natural or otherwise.
But thats the problem , "could be " govs wont spend money on could be :(
You can forget about that I think. Governments spend our money on banks, war and more surveillance cameras with which to watch us. They do not spend any of it on exploring space. If you don't believe me, check out the budgets for the space expeditions you do know of, and then compare that to what was spent on the 2008 bank bailout and others like it, or to what has been spent on the 100% pointless occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq. Space exploration basically has the budget of a lemonade stand.
i dont think we are technologically advanced enough, especially not within the timeframe
I'm beginning to think Oumuamua is a long lost artifact from a world not so different than ours. Checking this out should be our No1 goal...before it is too late.
Great video by the way John.
Thanks! Amazing the possibilities with this object. My imagination runs wild.
@@JohnMichaelGodier Topic for another novel?
We have thousands of years worth of time, before it leaves the solar system. If telescopes keep increasing in size, it might also be possible Oumuamua will become easily visible with future technology.
hamstsorkxxor ... u think? That would be cool
@@hamstsorkxxor , naw.... That thing is hauling a$$. It's way faster than the Voyager probes. We would need gigawatt laser light sail propulsion to catch it with a cellphone.
It has more than twice the delta V of any chemical rocket.
I’ve got a feeling that we are going to start seeing a lot more of these in our lifetime
Why?
Ty T ... for us to have spotted it in the first place was random, so there must be more like it that we just haven’t noticed, yet.
@@TP-tc7vp Because we're getting better and better at tracking them. Perhaps these interstellar objects aren't rare at all, instead we just didn't really notice them before.
@@TP-tc7vp We've basically only recently been able to even detect these kinds of objects. The technology is getting much better and detectors are becoming more numerous, so we are likely to observe more and more of them.
memespace watch us discover an ancient artifact or piece of space junk thats been floating for trillions of years that is captured by our sun
Excellent video again, John. I am truly fascinated about Oumuamua and I am excited on what the scientific community will come up with after further in depth research on its odd features.
Not much in the way of rigorous research can be done with so little data, and little opportunity to obtain more (unless we develop the technology to chase after it). I feel like it's mostly to generate publicity and funding. Maybe squeeze a publication and a few citations out of it. I'm an astronomer, by the way, not some random dude ranting about how science is fake on the Internet. I sure am tired of hearing about Oumuamua.
Looks like silver surfer's lost surf board
Marvel Studios started the viral marketing for Phase 5 early, but you got to hand it to them for going all out on that one.
Ha ha
Your comment should be the top comment! 😁
"This object is very likely of natural origin"
*Keeps saying facts that make you feel like it isn't*
see Harvard's crew Avi Loeb proving details.
Why did the powers not know and define the approach before it passed too far away.
Think, why not shown in photos as we can photo small details on Mars
more BS, showing metalic case with bio materials, hmmm
seems like a ISS type of craft
@@kimokla3874 ur actually insane. Hopefully now that this is in hindsight, you can look back ang go,
"Wow, I was pretty silly calling that rock a conspiracy space ship"
As soon as you said links to all papers in description I subbed. We need more like you
Maybe in a few weeks we'll get a radio signal from Oumuamua: 'seriously guys, we just sent a luxury star liner to fetch you and you couldn't even be bothered to get onboard? Well, next scheduled ship will pass in 2 billion years!'
Better than getting this message: "All the planning charts and demolition orders have been on display in your local planning
department in Alpha Centauri for fifty of your Earth years, so you’ve had plenty of time to lodge any formal complaint and it’s far too late to start making a fuss about it now.’"
@@Reedstilt LOL yeah, maybe it was the first ship laying out the guideline for the hyperspace lane.
ha ha ha LOL love your comment,
ET is a funny culture, they dropped off the 1912 flu to test human reactions
I love the way you present your content. The narration is great, videos are very well-written and produced, and your choice of music complements it all so nicely! Even though the possibility is remote, it would be amazing if Oumuamua were of artificial origin!
Great video, man! I kept running into 3 minute clips of info about our strange visitor and none of them went into any depth at all. Thanks for taking the time to collect all this information and presenting it to us 'laymen' in an understandable and entertaining way. I don't know what kind of love you get for your videos but I recently found you after stumbling onto Isaac's stuff and just wanted to say your efforts are much appreciated by this human here! Look forward to more from you good sir! Take care.
I like how you present all these videos. You're pretty clear about facts, ideas, hypotheses/theories, and probabilities...very professional, far above the all-too-common agenda/conspiracy pushers.
It's an alien vessel that intercepted a transmission of one of our "reality" shows and is currently marking our system for destruction by its waiting fleet.
most like this is true
bruh its actually filled with dust
Yeah,Dancing with the stars or America's got talent certainly would have just that effect........Grand-Moff Tarkin..... "YOU MAY FIRE WHEN READY..!"
Your background music is fantastic...
Listen to the soundtrack to the space RTS Homeworld. The music is very similar.
Yes Hamid, it's glorious!
I like his voice, too.
Someone leaning on a Yamaha DX-7 symphonic string patch.
Brandi Holt how does a comment about music turn into an attack on Islam 😂😂
So glad I subscribed to you bro
Rendezvous with Rama was terrifying. He described the odd spatial feeling of the structure so well that I dreamed about being there. Thinking about the realities of space is a nightmare.
The Narrator is doing an amazing job, really enhanced the quality of this video and made it so enjoyable to watch & listen. Wonderful job on the video overall!
New subscriber well earned 😊👌
That background music is amazing.
Nice to see a longer video from you.. Thanks for that.
My favourite UA-camr!!
LEARN HOW TO SPELL!!!!
@@xxtravdamanxx British spelling
I like how you explain all the details and possibilities scientifically, including presenting the acceptable/reasonable fringe speculation while acknowledging the issues and stressing that it's highly theoretical.
Oumuamua is as popular in popular science as Tabby's Star! Whether natural or artificial, this is a most interesting object - and your channel coverage has been stellar! (To quote a certain (in)famous presenter - "I'm not saying it's aliens, but it's aliens!")
Phil S
You mean KIC8282563682?
@Michael Anthony Science hasn't lost any credibility. The alien option should always be considered, especially when a natural explanation is not (yet) present. Tabby's star most certainly isn't of alien origin, and probably neither is 'Oumuamua, but that doesn't mean nothing can be.
Don't get me wrong, natural explanations are always more credible, but an alien origin should never be dismissed immediately.
@@flerfbuster7993 an alien origin it's a natural origin
Phil S gayer than aids
It’s difficult to write a suitable comment after such a comprehensive and well articulated video, but I’ll try 😀 I find the likelihood of an artificial origin of ‘Oumuamua to be exceedingly unlikely though I don’t believe it can be ruled out, either. At least not as of now. But I don’t know how much we will be able to learn about it either, even after some of these new telescopes come online. I’m sure it will be one of the higher priorities for solar system science, but the competition is going to be intense that it will limit how much we can expect to learn as it fades to even fainter magnitudes. Great discussion as always!
For anyone wondering why 'Oumuamua couldn't have come from Vega: It's in line with Vega's current position, but Vega is moving. In the time it would have taken for 'Oumuamua to get from there to here (about 600,000 years given its velocity), Vega would have been in the constellation Hercules from our perspective, rather than the constellation Lyra (where Vega is now and the direction from which 'Ouamuamua came).
@Michael Anthony LOL!
I was hoping for a deep intellectual answer but this genuinely funny one will do. This is something Bart Simpson would have said.
Not much of a deep answer... The Vega connection was based on trajectory. They calculated where stars were at the time of it's passing based on velocity, time, and direction...
Why is everyone assuming constant velocity on it's inbound leg. It will have been decelerating and manuevering for decades. It's a Scout.
@@ZeonAndOnly "Why is everyone assuming constant velocity" - because there's no reason to assume otherwise. I could say "it started spinning all of a sudden when it entered the solar system," but I wouldn't have a leg to stand on; the same is true with the claim it has been decelerating and maneuvering for decades. We have to go by what we've observed and infer only what that supports; the idea that it maneuvered or decelerated just isn't supported.
That's why the observation that it accelerated in spite of our not having observed it outgassing was so interesting: if we assume seemingly-inert space objects decelerate and maneuver, it's not news that we saw one accelerate. That said, seeing it accelerate without outgassing only means that one pixel on a sensor did not get brighter in the way an outgassing comet shedding ice and water vapor would, which could have many explanations:
* The outgassing could have been obscured by carbon dust. Spectroscopic readings suggested 'Oumumua was coated with carbon dust, which might have been shed during outgassing.
* The outgassed material might have been harder, staying intact on the object. Comets are like snowballs, and shed ice crystals along with water vapor. That's the brightest aspect of the coma/tail, and solid ice stuck to a carbonaceous object might have sublimated without shedding snow, making it less visible.
* The outgassed material might have been deeper in the object than the usual snowy frosting on a comet. Ice in a crater or crack might have more time to melt and dislodge (or be bounced against the side of a crack, exposing it to more heat and melting it), again reducing the amount of highly-reflective ice crystals, so that the outgassing only consisted of water vapor.
* The outgassed material might not have been water. 'Oumuamua traveled a very long time through very cold space, according to all indications, and while we expect water ice is relatively common compared to other things that could have outgassed, it could have potentially had some other material on it that melted or sublimated and didn't shine quite as bright as snow. Spectroscopy suggests it's carbonaceous, at least the part reflecting sunlight, so perhaps it shed some organic compound: frozen CO2, for example, and it reacted without shining as much as water ice/vapor.
The first part of your comment shouldn't even need to be said, but here we are in 2018...
How to understand one's environment (including space) comes from the observations of others and we develop a consensus based on those findings, not an ideology or style thing, just what your own damn eyes see. Now if ZeonAndOnly has figures that aren't drawn in crayon showing it's been "decelerating and maneuvering" then that should be presented to the scientific community but in the meantime safe to assume such claims are a load of bollocks.
Having said that your possible explanations for outgassing are interesting and while the video was utterly thought provoking it certainly would've been helped by your comment, and that same level of detail for each of the video author's conjectures. Still, I'm left wondering what the rate of acceleration was and how that compares with the reaction that would be produced from various carbon emitting events?
Shame we won't be able to intercept it and learn more!
This is probably one of the best channels on UA-cam. I can only think of 1 more, Event Horizon.
The only thing I could think of was that alien meme.. " I'm not saying it's aliens..... but it's aliens!
The incredible awesomeness of the video makes up for the absence of the pithy outro. Thanks for the in-depth summary
The pithy outros will be back soon. I just occasionally go back my roots for long videos.
John,
I'd like to ask for one teeny, tiny favor:
Would it be possible to schedule when and where in your videos the ads come in?
That way, you could put them in between paragraphs, and it wouldn't interrupt the natural flow or cut your narration off, mid-word. Redlettermedia does that.
Thanks!
I am hypnotized, and going to have watch this twice. I am not complaining. Very pretty, great music, love the narrator, and loaded w info. Very well made! Thank you so much!
Watch the one on TED talks...it’s 100x better.
It is mind boggling to think that this thing have been wandering the milky way for billions of years.
Goosebumps!!
My dumb ass logic: This is possibly a alien ship that got into a really ugly battle and lost. After somehow escaping, it disguised itself as a space rock to not only hide itself from its enemies but from other eyes (like ours).
Thank you very much Mr. Godier, for sharing your amazing knowledge with us, and congratulations for such an interesting and educative performance.
1. It accelerated as it was on it's way out of the solar system.
2. It's rotation and oscillations were on three dimensions allowing centrifical gravity on all internal surfaces on the exterior shell.
This object came into our solar system yelling "SHOW ME WHAT YOU GOT!"
As long as we get shwifty we'll be fine.
GOOD JOB!
We showed it 2020 and it left. XD
You have one of the best channels on UA-cam, thanks for the amazing info
Oumuamua is a space ship that has traveled for millions of years and is covered with dust. WE NEED TO GO GET IT!
did someone say alien loot?
My first thought on hearing about this object was that any civilization wanting to probe other systems might actually turn an asteroid into a probe and send it on its way.
Wouldn't it be fantastic if it was extra-galactic?
Because then we could say that it originated a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away...
REALLY --- MADD
ALL CGI BS' -- MADD
Originated in a short time, from black hole :E
Would be cool,but it is not possible. Even if it came from our nearest neighbour , Andromeda, it would take longer than the age of the universe to travel that distance.
Fun to think about though.
Fascinating coverage. Despite all the "unanswered questions", it's just a strange rock. Despite how fantastic if it wasn't.
see Harvard's crew Avi Loeb details show reality
Very interesting. How does something outgas anything approximating the volume necessary to change vector, when it's apparently very thin and has a low mass with a huge surface area whilst randomly tumbling? You'd expect it'd have evaporated in the solar wind by now. If it did loose mass, maybe it's left something (not reflective) behind. I admit, the lightsail theory is compelling until you realise it seems to be spinning around. Maybe it's a heliograph. Each time we see reflected light flash directly at earth it's alien semaphore. Who's got some supercomputer time going spare? Run the numbers people!
The hunter will disguise traps by artfully camouflaging the mechanism with natural random decoration. The tumbling act of this object seems to have the same smell.
So it moves like it's stable but images like it is tumbling. Maybe it's a puzzle and if we cant' figure it out then we don't get the reward.
"How does something outgas anything approximating the volume necessary to change vector, when it's apparently very thin and has a low mass with a huge surface area whilst randomly tumbling?"
Well, keep in mind the idea that it's very thin and low-mass is proposed as an alternative to it outgassing. We don't know that it's thin and low-mass, that's what the Harvard team proposes as an alternative to its acceleration being due to outgassing. They theorized that light pressure could account for the change in velocity, but it would require that it was extremely light and thin. If it was, then it wouldn't be outgassing, as you would have accounted for all the thrust with light pressure.
Your the Oumuamua King, Mr John.😎
Been listening for a while now, you always have fun guests.., great episode Brother, love your work.
I forgot all about Rama but dang that's pretty much exactly the plot.
Oat lord - only if it fires up its engines and changes course.
Oat Lord - Where have you been since this object appeared ???!
@@landsnailproject2875 - watching while they attempt to understand an acceleration discrepancy.
Didn't Rama come to a stop (or slowed to a crawl), giving humans a chance to dock?
@@thetrumanshow4791 It slowed down to get near the Sun so it could gain fuel from it (the reason it came by). Really it ignored the explorers on it. I don't know if it was different in the sequels though or something was retconned.
Sometimes a rock is just a rock or a cigar is just a cigar. However it is interesting and it shows us that we need to improve our telescopes
Why is no one saying "Monolith"?
Monolith
That was the name of a movie 😉 Monolith hmmmm
Alien 1" These humans think our probe is a cigar" Alien 2 " Always the dick with these ape's"
Just... lets not take our eyes off of it...
Imagine if it suddenly turns back to us?
That would be pretty surprising as it would require immense amounts of propulsion
The tiniest movement at such speeds are very likely to tear it apart. I'd like to see calculations on how it could turn around and when it would be able to and still be intact.
Sigh. Don't be fucking thick x
If it turns around, that's some protomolecule nonsense. Best to nuke it before orbit, just to be sure.
Was !olds away like.nothing worry about..'ll say again.was miles.miles. MILES AWAY...LOL
Mr Godier, congratulations on 100,000 subscribers. You deserve it. I've been with you since 2,000 subs. Your gonna get that 1M in no time!
"Mysterious interstellar object." We are like some cavemen on a remote island in the God's Must be Crazy, marveling at anything that graces our solar system with its presence, however briefly. It's kinda funny. The fact that an oddly shaped rock has caused such consternation in the scientific community, shows how little we know. I guess it's fitting that the object was discovered by people on an island sitting in the middle of the Pacific Ocean
The great question is weather we will move off this planet or not.. and hopefully some day be the subject of consternation for some other species billions of years in the future
"Remnants of a roadside picnic somewhere in the cosmos."
@S C: Especially posturing, condescending types who pretend to be above us "apes" and understand all.
Great film that one.. had forgotten about it..
@@mrnice4434 Haha, you're nihilism is sooooo cool.
These videos give me such a sense of existential calm. Thank you for your hard work, just subscribed :-)
Radar imaging should have been possible with Oumuamua. I have seen this done with other asteroids. I know for certain that the Arecibo radio telescope has done this before. Also, I surmise that the Green Bank II and Parkes radio telescopes have the gain to do this. Does anyone know if this was attempted? It is good to keep in mind that the beautiful CGI of the Oumuamua object tumbling by in this video is in its detail an artists conception. Such detail could not have been inferred from Oumuamua's light curve.
Gully Foyle conveniently the telescope capable of that was shut down for repairs.
Probably one of the places evacuated by FBI
Thanks for the summary of the latest on this object.
I did a double take when I saw the running time on this video. It just might be the longest I have seen on this channel.
Definitely should have gone with Rama. Definitely.
I agree. Rama was the obvious choice.
If 2 other similar objects are detected further down the road... should we go with "Shiva" and "Brahma" for them?
I was disappointed when I learned they didn't.
Which book was your favorite?
great book similar scenario....."Rendezvous with Rama", next time around have an exploration ship ready,internationally funded and manned so there are no arguments or incidents like the book.Make it a WORLD project,almost like a religion, for whenever it comes around again!! :-)
whatever Oumuamua really is nobody seems to think about the possibility just crossed my mind ! Stupid or not the idea just by looking how its trajectory changed since passed through our solar system , reminded to me the ball in the old pinball arcade games . Why I mention that ? because they said nobody was able to find its origin . Who can tell with certainty how many times this object passed through the gravitational pull of some celestial body and changed its trajectory . Another thing was mentioned to this video was its weird acceleration , which is not as weird as we might think because WE use the same principal to travel to Mars , its called slingshot effect .
Still love your vids this many years later.
Definitely been scouted by aliens though
Amazingly informative and highly detailed work. I am so happy to find your channel! Great post! One more thing to add; the object needs to be intercepted! This is beyond rare!
Rama! (Should've rendezvoused w it)
@Mosin Tom Everything in threes. Unfortunately so was that book series lol
If we had discovered it far earlier, that would have been such a valuable mission...
surprised Elon Musk hasn't jumped on that wagon
good one
yes Shiva passing by
I'm not saying it's aliens. BUT, if it I was traveling in a cigar shaped spaceship and realized that there was a species capable of detecting my ship, making the ship tumble would be probably be the best/easiest way of disguise your real nature.
I1 is the gift that keeps on giving.
It's a scientific troll that keeps on trolling.
This is easily the best overview of Oumuamua I have seen.
i actually can't watch your videos in bed because i almost fall asleep
Never change
3:00 I just saw the Ted talk from the lady who discovered it and she said that in lieu of calling it I-3729w0wi6, they called it Rama. But they didn't feel like it was quite right so they consulted with local experts and came up with Oumouamoua.
How the hell can we for sure know it's not alien like
man, (although as i said before i don't like the dadjoke as the end) your outro is very very good and inspiring (and indicative of a professional writer) and lastly i love the "liiiiiiiiiive" version so much!!!
Thanks for the free entertainment, keep up the good work!
Omuamua was an alien drive by, and my guess is, they saw just what kind of thugs we were and drove off, or should i say, accelerated away in fear
It passed us by in October 17. Nope. It wanted none of us.
You are always at the top of your game. I've enjoyed every one of your vids. Keep up the good work.
What if it's an alien civilizations equivalent of Voyager? That would be so cool.
still one of the best channels on youtube pound for pound
Please investigate the new interstellar object called C/2019 Q4 (Borisov) I would love to hear your take on it.
Sick to realise that millions of inteligent species might know about the earth and life already, yet we didnt see them yet.
We may not be able to infer where it came from, we should be able to predict where it is going. Natural object? probably. Artificial object? the destination/path would offer a clue.
We should be but it has already moved off of its predicted course as it left our system. Why? Will it move more and in what directions? We don't know.
It is moving like a comet when we thought it would move like an asteroid. It do not move randomly but in predictible way, only not the predictible way scientists assumed it would.
Your videos always gets me thinking really philosophical thoughts and explain them very well. Great job and thank you for it !
I like the information about 'Omuamua. The more we study it, the more natural explanations seem to be eliminated. At what point do we say that it being something like a big piece of sheet metal of alien origin fits the facts better than any other idea?
It's probably some millionaire rocket company owner's sportscar taking a joyride for a photoshoot.
Yes I agree
Yes I agree
I enjoyed this deep dive very much. Thanks jmg 🙏
Given that we cannot trace at all it's path of travel in the past beyond a few million years, what if it were actually intergalactic rather than interstellar? And being even far, far older by far than what we are even guessing at currently. Either way, obtaining and studying core samples of this traveler would be hugely interesting and revealing. Is there any data available as to it's trajectory, where it's heading to, distance to the next star system encounter, speed of travel away from us, etc., etc.?
I think the problem is that the galaxies are traveling apart from eachother faster than any natural object could travel between them.
@@Admiralty86 That's true regarding galaxies that are far distant from one another. The rate at which the space between them is expanding is such that it would be necessary to exceed the speed of light to travel from one to another (which is of course impossible). But nearby galaxies do form groups that are loosely held together by gravity. Our galaxy is part of the Local Group which also includes Andromeda and some smaller dwarf galaxies.
I suppose it's not impossible that Oumuamua could have come from somewhere else in the Local Group, but it's more probable that it originated within our own Milky Way.
Love your videos. Have you thought about doing a video on the complexity of building a ship (or ships) to go looking for the outer reaches of space?
THAT WAS OUR TAXI OUT OF HERE AND WE MISSED IT?
Recon 101 - Camouflage.
If we’re going to entertain the idea of a possible alien origin for speculation’s sake camouflage must enter the discussion both in the physical characteristics of said device, if we’re going to presume it is one (so as not to tip your hand to a possible hostile civilization), and the LSR to mask its origin. Both are suspicious from a tactical perspective because camo is going to be a top priority for any civilization that is competent enough to recognize the risks that others, if they exist, may not be particularly friendly.
So there are two things to consider - you want to be able to blend in (and in space a rock is the best option) so as not to give yourself away presuming any civilization may be capable of detecting a recon device, and speed to mask its origin so they can’t trace it back to you (in the event they’re xenophobic and recognize that offensive warfare is the only type of conflict that makes logistical sense in space). Tumbling is a nice touch, if it is such a device, which would imply tactical cleverness - not a good sign if THEY are xenophobic, for instance.
Entertaining that it IS of artificial origin we must also presume that we may not be observing it as it is truly capable. Jump it in at high speed, slow it down to the LSR, set it on a course of a close pass, establish a tumble or some other erratic flight characteristic to dispel suspicion of a sufficiently advanced civ, and use relatively low-power surveillance equipment to get a better idea of the dynamics of the planet and the capacities of any potential civilization residing there. That’s the object of recon and other intelligence gathering missions - give away as little information as possible while collecting as much information as possible.
People always bring up and discuss ‘drones’ and depict them as obviously artificial in origin. I’d have to say that if a civilization operates that way they’re not particularly wise - it should go as obvious that camouflage mitigates many potential risks.
Would it be possible to send a solar sail to catch up with Oumuamua
Nah our best bet would be to track an incoming object somehow and getting the genuis' in astrophysics to work out a rondeveux point. Still the speeds of these objects makes getting close to them pretty damn hard with current tech.
@@caesaraugustus3749
RENDEZVOUS 😀 😁
Not in our lifetime...
I've had one of these smartphones for years now and this is the first site that I have subscribed to in this category
If it was an alien probe, what does it say that it left faster than it came?
Probably the same way our Voyager probes got a speed boost by passing close to the gas giants and taking a bit of momentum ("gravitational slingshot" or "gravity assist maneuver").
that it came from a higher intelligence? like: get me out of here!!
So many questions unanswered. I hope the space community is bold and sends an intercept probe. That would be such an exciting mission. Can you imagine the sheer speed the probe will to catch up to it.
nice billiards metaphor!
These are ridiculously good videos. So good my work productivity is shit now
Oh snap 20 min video. I can work with that
Thank you for the longer video
Would be funny if oumuamua is older then our solar system.
Mr Nice it maybe but why would it be funny?
Alien one: "I told you that you couldn't hit them."
Alien two: "Here's your fiver."