Very unfair to put the F2005 car in here. This car without the tyre change regulation change would’ve been unbeatable. The problem is Ferrari designed this car to be with incredibly fast with try changes during the race. But the regulation change came too late for Ferrari or Bridgestone to do anything about it. This tyre change ban was what gifted Renault+Michelin the title that year.
On pure performance Kimi wasn’t the best in 2007, he was insanely quick in 2003 & 2005 however. In the end I’m just happy Kimi’s effort got rewarded with a WDC.
Corne Van Gulik in kimi’s case it had less to do with effort and more with raw talent. He wasn’t half as dedicated and committed as Schumacher was for example.
The 2010 Mercedes wasn't a huge disappointment. Nobody thought Mercedes would come back into F1 and start winning straight away. By the end of 2009 the brawn was verging on a midfield runner since it didn't have the investment to stay at the front
Everyone was hyping them up before race 1 due to Schumacher as well as the fact that it was basically the same team as brawn that won the championship the year after. They were decent but definitely fell below expectations of nearly everyone at the time.
True, Brawn only scored massive amounts of points at the first half of the season. In the second half it was a matter of 'hanging on'. In which case they did. But at that stage the car was already way underdeveloped like you are saying.
yep, the 2010 W01 was still racked some good result. only in the half closing season they're in slump. the huge disappointments came from W02 & W03. W02 Mercedes claimed it could compete with Red Bull or Mclaren, but it didn't step up anyway. and wasn't even a podium challenger unlike it's predecessor despite Schumacher's best run in Canada or Rosberg's in China. W03, they innovated "Double DRS" (IIRC the name, the effect was like F-duct) which caused protest by Red Bull & Lotus. first part of the season they achieved a very good & promising pace (despite Schumi's unlucky). after Valencia it's a huge downhill to a midpack runner.
@@bartterp88 It was always underdeveloped. But the only thing it did good was the double diffuser. Once all the other teams got a hold of it then the competitive edge it had fell flat on its face
yes, because for Ferrari, if you don't win the title it's a disappointment. If you put it that way every other car except RB until 2014 and Mercedes since is a disappointment.
Hmmm, an interesting commonality in this list: - A Honda engine severly compromised by a chassis design as well as unreliable - McLaren not listening when they should've Just take that in for a moment, while also remembering that both the designer they didn't listen to AND the Engine Supplier they didn't listen to are working together this season.
Schumacher made the 94 and 95 Benetton appear better than it was, and without him the B196 was a turd. The F2005 wasn't as bad as it appeared, though probably not a championship winner. Take Imola 2005, the F2005 at one point was 2 seconds faster than everyone. Michelin was just far far superior than Bridgestone.
@@calais027 Herbert was incredibly lucky in those races. Benetton could have won races in 1996 as well. Alesi retired from the lead in the Monaco demolition derby and Berger was leading in Germany when he blew his engine in the penultimate lap. On pure pace the car just wasn't great; it was often humiliated by Williams in qualifying and I don't think that was down to the drivers.
Ross Brawn said on Beyond the Grid that the FIA announced the banning of tire for 2005 when the car was almost ready, so Ferraris had to go slower than they could because otherwise they would have constantly blown up their Bridgestones during races, as they were softer than the Michelins.
Not denying Schumacher's ability, but wasn't the 94 benetton the car that had the illegal traction control. It was only on Michael's car, Jos was adamant michaels car had an advantage
Amazed that car didn’t get in. Didn’t BMW stop all development on the 2008 car to be well prepared for the 2009 rule changes? 2 podiums, several Q1 eliminations and scraping 6th in the constructors having languished in 8th for much of it was a huge letdown
@@sbinadero Then they retire from F1, let Sauber (practically) ruined (even Petronas leaves them) and say they don't want to return anymore soon using the crisis as an excuse. Merc will do the same: just wait for it.
9:35 I'm still amazed how much effort was put into changing the rules such that Ferrari would lose it dominance yet nowadays if anything there seems to be help for Mercedes keeping there dominance (e.g. tires last year). Not saying Merc would not deserve the success they have, they absolutely do, I'm just annoyed about the inconsistency.
yet all the rules are aimed purely at helping Fezz its just Fezz are unable to use the gift the FIA give them properly (FIA= Fezz International Assistance) - think about the supper soft penalty the CLC got for not following the FIA instruction to pit the car when the nose was damaged even after part went flying and took out hamlitons wing mirror and i belive Perez with the debris. 25k sad really
Awwww, no Lotus E22? Shocking looks and shocking performance after a few years of Lotus being a race-winning, podium-scoring team. First car that came to mind when I saw the video!
There are plenty of other disappointing F1 designs to make more top 10's. McLaren MP4-28 (2013): having finished the 2012 season with the fastest car, despite losing Lewis Hamilton to Mercedes, hopes were high for McLaren to fight for the championship having had finger trouble time and time again in 2012. Instead, the team inexplicably threw caution to the wind in the car design. They completely changed the philosophy of the car design, having pullrod suspension all-round, adversely affecting the feel of the car for the drivers. The result was that neither Jenson Button nor his team mate for the year Sergio Perez could score podiums, let alone wins and a title challenge. They dropped from 3rd in the constructors championship in 2012 to 5th in 2013. Ferrari F60 (2009): having won the constructors title the previous 2 years and the driver's title in 2007, Ferrari would be forgiven for thinking that they would be right up there again in 2009. Instead, the revolutionary changes to the aerodynamics threw them a curve ball. Not only was the car one of the many to fail to exploit the double diffuser loophole that Brawn picked up on, but the installation of KERS lead to some interesting handling characteristics. The motor-generator unit and energy store was located beneath the F60's fuel tank, which on paper was good because it kept the mass of it low down. However, when race fuel was added, it raised the centre of gravity, making the car unpredictable to drive. In addition, the car looked very basic compared to other teams, with little development taking place and the results showed it. The team fell from champions in the constructors championship with 172 points in 2008 to 4th in the constructors championship in 2009 with just 70 points. The drivability problems truly reared its head after Massa was badly injured in qualifying in Hungary when a heave spring from Barrichello's Brawn hit him on the head. Neither of the drivers hired to substitute for Massa, Luca Badoer and Giancarlo Fisichella, could cope with the handling of the F60, with both of them really struggling. Badoer had the dubious honour of being the only Ferrari driver to qualify last on pure pace for Grands Prix and Fisichella, despite having a feel for cars built to 2009 regulations and having a podium finish at Spa for Force India, he could barely coax the F60 to the top 10 in qualifying and by the end of the season he was also qualifying last on pace. The car was fortunate to record one win in the hands of Raikkonen at Spa Ferrari F14T (2014): after falling short of the title every year in their partnership with Fernando Alonso, with the exception of 2011 where they were nowhere near capable of mounting a sustained title challenge, it was championship challenge or bust for Ferrari in their hopes of ending their championship drought. It was bust as it turned out. The first Ferrari designed around the current generation of full hybrid power units, the F14T was a big disappointment. Although they weren't alone in failing to properly do their homework in how to get the best out of the V6 turbo hybrids as Mercedes, indeed Renault were initially worse and Honda were even worse a year later, but Ferrari's was by the midpoint of 2014 the weakest power unit on the grid. Coupled with a vacuum cleaner nose, designed to meet the lower front crash structure mandated by the FIA, the car also looked really odd. Not even having a second former world champion drive the second car, Kimi Raikkonen, could help them as they suffered their worst season since 1980. From 3rd in the constructors championship in 2013 with 354 points (scoring 2 wins) to 4th in the constructors championship in 2014 with 216 points and only 2 podium finishes all year. This car contributed to Alonso running out of patience with Ferrari and leaving for (ultimately an even worse time) McLaren
The MCL33 should have been on here instead of the MP4/30. The 30 came about at a time when McLaren were starting to go downhill and already had a mediocre 2014, even with the best engine on the grid. The 33, meanwhile, was meant to come in with a better engine and to finally show off that McLaren had a good chassis, only for it to also be dreadful.
It's been pretty much a trend in F1. They did that in the late 70s to stop Lotus dominance due to ground effect, Then for Ferrari in 2005, Then for Red Bull in 2014 too
If I could suggest, what about the Top10 or Top15 driver line-ups in F1's history? I'm sure it would be interesting to see how those great rivalries (or collaborations!) compare. Apart from the most obvious ones there are Pironi-Villeneuve or Stewart-Cevert that would deserve to be remembered.
So even when i agree, that this car was bad, it never had high expectations. Since the testing in Barcelona you knew, it would be bad. I'd rather say, that williams 2017 was a bigger desaster, since 2016 wasn't a bad year for them. If you want to pick a car from 2019, i'd go with Renault. They had pretty high expectation for the year, yet they didn't reach them.
Perhaps the 2015 Red Bull and the 2016 Ferrari? Both for the same reason as well actually. Both teams got three wins each the year prior and was hyped up to properly compete with the mighty Mercedes. But as fate would have it, they were slow and ended up dropping down in the conctructors championships all while not winning a single race.
Ferrari 312T5 from 1980 after winning the 1979 world championships. Finished 10th (Yes, 10th!) In the Constructors Championship with ONLY 8 points scored that year. Easily 1 of the worst Ferrari F1 cars ever made.
Toyota in the years prior to 2007 had the Amazing capability of turning a mediocre to good car and drivers into promising and good results.I cant imagine what the company would be capable of in the present hybrid era with its now long tradition in this technology.
Very nice list. I like it. But as mentioned by others, where are the spectacular failures from 1970-1985. What about the Arrows A2 (a V2 rocket on wheels), Fittipaldi F6 (Concorde nose), Low-down Brabham BT55, wingless Lotus 80, Lotus 76, the Jabouille designed Ligier JS19
What about the 2009 Ferrari. A year before in 2008 they lost the championship just by a wisker on the last lap. However in 2009 the big rule changes ferrari were no were only scoring one win.
Gerhard Berger would disagree with your assessment of the B196. He drove Schumi's B195 car late in 1995 after he'd signed with Benetton for '96, and said the car's handling was poor, and that when he drove it, he knew Schumacher was a great driver, because the B195 was not a car that anyone should be expected to win a title in. Remember, Berger knew what a championship car should be like; he drove two as Senna's teammate with McLaren. He wrote about all of this in his autobiography. It may have been a disappointment, but only because the B195 had been a mediocre car that a great driver dragged to a WDC.
Yes your right Considering that Mclaren arguably had the fastest car in 2012. The 2013 car was shockingly bad. It was their first season without finishing on the podium since 1980, and they never qualified in the top five - their worst since 1983. It was also the team's first season without a win since 2006. At least it got better throughout the year but still a massive disappointment.
@@anthonyschmidt-ellis6353 That 2013 was the the start of a huge decline. I still don't understand why it turned out so bad. Decision process within the team? Aero problems? Wasn't like 2014 was any better despite having by far the best engine on the grid.
@@alexpeak16 I don't know exactly why either. I think it was because the 2013 car was not an evolution of the 2012 car. The team felt the 2012 car had reached its limit so for 2013 they decided to do a completed different concept and it did not work out. The car did improve throughout the year, in Brazil they finished 4th and 6th, but yes it a massive step down from 2012. 2014 was also bad Considering they had the best engine by a mile. They scored more points than 2013 but they should have been title challengers with that Mercedes engine.
@@anthonyschmidt-ellis6353 Yeah they aero department wasn't up to it in '14. They even managed to finish behind the worst Ferrari for over 20 years. Should have been a warning sign of internal problems but Dennis seemed oblivious to that, living off the team's past glories.
Sorry but some of these were not on the car. 96 benetton being on the drivers, 05 ferrari was entirely on the tyres. Proven by the fact at imola where the tyres worked and the ferrari was the fastest, by a mile. Merc car wasn't a disappointment as every one at the time prior to testing said they couldn't develop the car. So 3 on here are questionable. There are a lot of cars were more of a disappointment than these.
Oh yeah those 09 cars should be there. Fair enough they were fighting for the title and a little bit of drop off was expected but no one expected those 2 cars to be that useless. 05 was the last rule change they had to stop ferrari tbf. Especially after 04. That's why imo the ferrari dominance was better than mercs now (no discredit to mercs or to upset anyone btw) but after 2002 everything was done to stop ferrari and they still did until 05.
@MEGATRON yes kimi was leading thr first 8 laps. However we never know how his tyres would be at the end. Schumacher set the fastest lap and from half way through the race was miles fastest than the rest. Also imola since 94 has been very hard to overtake, yet he was overtaking everyone minus alonso everywhere. That shows how good the car could be. Yes there were aero changes, but the volume of changes after 02 was insane and since 14 there have been only a few to slow down the mercs. If u think the mercs have been tried to be stopped more than the 03-05 ferrari, I really question your knowledge on f1 history. The fia tried almost everything to stop their dominance
Holy moly 😍 early 2000s cars were all so beautiful That design plus V10 was just PERFECTION I'd have to admit also 2022 cars are coming back to a gorgeous design
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Personally the drivers weren't good enough for Benetton in 1996. Schumacher would've won the title if he stayed there. You only need to see his performance for Ferrari in a car that was worse than the Benetton. He won 3 races in it
The B196 was far and away the second best car of 1996 - that's one higher than last year, when Ferrari also had a better car. The problem wasn't the car - it was the drivers. Alesi and Berger were good, better than JV and Hill, but Schumacher is the GOAT for a damn good reason.
lol. Alesi was one of the biggest disappointments. Berger was past his prime. How good the B196 is difficult to judge as all the motivation in the mean must have been gone (with a lot of the technical team to follow very soon). And if Schumacher was GOAT he would have won at least 1997 and 1998. 1994 doesn't need to be discussed, but in 1995 Hill was just terrible. And his teammate would spin out on the formation lap and crash while entering the pits.
Replace the W01 with the SF90. Ferrari said they were 0.5 sec faster than Mercedes, but when it came to the 1st race, they were 0.7 sec slower than the Merc. If u do the math, they were 1.2 seconds slower than expected.
I would add BMW F1.09. They abadoned the development of previous car early when they had a achange to snatch a title with Kubica to focus on 2009 challenger. Yet, the car was non-consistent in performance and early semmingly good pace at Melbourne by Kubica was only a start with laughter that ended in tears.
One of the great tragedies of the 643 to me is the fact is that it's still one of the best looking and sounding Formula One cars of all time despite it's awful track record.
the 2011 ferrari springs to mind. after a strong 2010 campaign with fernando only just missing out on the championship at the final race, the 2011 car only won the silverstone race due to exhaust blowing being all but cancelled.
The reason the 1996 Benetton was such a disappointment was that it had been developed around Schumacher's driving style. Both Alesi and Berger didn't like the car's lose end and found it impossible to set up to their liking. The car was also unreliable and retired from 8 out of 16 races compared to 2 out of 17 races in 1995. Most notably Alesi retired from the Monaco GP while leading and Berger while leading the German GP with three more laps to go. Then there was this "small issue" that more and more Benetton technicians followed Schumacher to Ferrari leaving Benetton to fill in their gaps by promoting their own. Last but not least Briatore's relationship with Alesi deteriorated during the season leaving Alesi without any support.
Missing: Jordan 192. After a first year in F1 with the beautiful and quick 191 Jordan slipped from a stunning 5th on their debut to a terrible 1992 where they only scored one point. At the Italian GP the 192 only managed to qualify because Senna gave his countryman and friend Gugelmin a tow down the main straight as the 192 lacked the power to out perform such luminaries as the Larrousse, Fondmetal or Minardi cars (Modena in the sister car finished nearly a second adrift of Gugelmin in qualification). The team scored their only point of the season in the last race at Australia mostly due to luck, overall the 192 managed 9 finishes out of a possible 32 and signed the death knell for both its drivers as neither Modena and Gugelmin drove in F1 again. The reason for this abysmal performance was the Yamaha engine which while free was about as much use as chocolate tyres.
The 2009 BMW deserves to be mentionned here. They were fighting for the championship in 2008 and they gave up in the middle of the season to focus on 2009 and be sure of having the best car of the grid... but they failed
I remember MP4/19. The most shocking freefall car I've ever witnessed during that decade I've watched F1 actively. But re-design was to be paid off and only those two races held in Germany (Nurburgring & Hockenheimring) stopped Raikkonen to become a 2005 WC that season.
Mercedes was still so far away and Ferrari clearly had the upper hand... no chance for this one. You should rather place the 2014 car instead. It won races but was far off the pace
Surely, all the Jaguars? They had decent resources(Ford provided the money), has won a race the previous year(when they were Stewart - with some luck), had a decent engine and had two race winning drivers(including runner-up Eddie Irvine). They even hired Niki Lauda over the course of their period in F1, to help run the team.
Hmm where's Williams Mecachrome from 1998? Williams won the driver's championship and the constructor's championship prior. Im kinda surprised that I didn't see that on the video.
I disagree on the Benetton B196. In 1995, Benetton won races and both championships not because but despite of the B195. Jean Alesi en Gerhard Berger were already very negative about that very car as soon as they started testing it.
The Brabham BT45 with the Alfa 12 was also a disappointment considering the BT44B had won various races the previous year. It was a beautiful car but it was horrifically unreliable.
The B196 wasn't the reason Benetton struggled, it was the difference in class between Schumacher and Alesi/Berger! Schumacher said the F412T2 was good enough to win a championship when he tested it in December 95, Berger said the B195 was undriveable when he tested it, only weeks after Schumacher won 9 races with it 😂 tells you all you need to know. Put Schuey in the B196 and he's probably winning another championship...
Merc were not aiming for a Championship during the V8 era, they were more focused on their V6 engine development from 2010-2013. 2013 shows that they even without the V6, they are extremely competitive and managed to beat Ferrari. Could they have challenged for the title during those years? They definetly could have, but it would be much harder than waiting for 2014 to just come along.
Not to mention focusing the attention on the 2010-2013 cars would have diverted resources away from the hybrids. And looking at how dominating they have been since then, it was a pretty good decision!
That would be the Lotus 72. The team thought they would be able to run a new chassis but performance was dreadful so they had drag the old car out and modify it for new regulations. Emerson Fittipaldi won the title with it. That will never happen again with the rate technology keeps changing these days.
The Ferrari of 2014. That was a piece of shit. To be honest more than half the field in 2014 was disappointing because of Mercedes. In Bahrain after safety car they pulled almost 2 second a lap while fighting with each other.
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Very unfair to put the F2005 car in here. This car without the tyre change regulation change would’ve been unbeatable.
The problem is Ferrari designed this car to be with incredibly fast with try changes during the race. But the regulation change came too late for Ferrari or Bridgestone to do anything about it. This tyre change ban was what gifted Renault+Michelin the title that year.
Olivier Meijer reasonable reply tbh. Thanks
Number 11: Ferrari SF1000
And RAPIDLY climbing up the list
well did anyone even have that high hopes for it?
@@test-tl8dt Yeah. Idiots.
@@test-tl8dt probably Ferrari? 🤷♂️
@@nightwi5h959 Number 13: Aikatsu Friends APR15.
Still insane that Kimi finished 2 points behind Michael in 2003 while driving an outdated car. Definitely deserved at least one more WDC
If it wasn't for the issues with the car, Kimi would've had at least 2 WDC. His McLaren days were plagued with mechanical issues.
Rohan Iyer kimi was one of the best up until 2007. He lost to fucking massa in 2008....
On pure performance Kimi wasn’t the best in 2007, he was insanely quick in 2003 & 2005 however. In the end I’m just happy Kimi’s effort got rewarded with a WDC.
Corne Van Gulik in kimi’s case it had less to do with effort and more with raw talent. He wasn’t half as dedicated and committed as Schumacher was for example.
HerreDePerre agreed
The 2010 Mercedes wasn't a huge disappointment. Nobody thought Mercedes would come back into F1 and start winning straight away. By the end of 2009 the brawn was verging on a midfield runner since it didn't have the investment to stay at the front
Everyone was hyping them up before race 1 due to Schumacher as well as the fact that it was basically the same team as brawn that won the championship the year after. They were decent but definitely fell below expectations of nearly everyone at the time.
True, Brawn only scored massive amounts of points at the first half of the season. In the second half it was a matter of 'hanging on'. In which case they did. But at that stage the car was already way underdeveloped like you are saying.
Maybe it was a disappointment, but not a surprise.
yep, the 2010 W01 was still racked some good result. only in the half closing season they're in slump. the huge disappointments came from W02 & W03. W02 Mercedes claimed it could compete with Red Bull or Mclaren, but it didn't step up anyway. and wasn't even a podium challenger unlike it's predecessor despite Schumacher's best run in Canada or Rosberg's in China.
W03, they innovated "Double DRS" (IIRC the name, the effect was like F-duct) which caused protest by Red Bull & Lotus. first part of the season they achieved a very good & promising pace (despite Schumi's unlucky). after Valencia it's a huge downhill to a midpack runner.
@@bartterp88 It was always underdeveloped. But the only thing it did good was the double diffuser. Once all the other teams got a hold of it then the competitive edge it had fell flat on its face
2019 mercedes, it was dissapointing that it was so fast after everyone was expecting a closer season 😂
Mercedes W12 2021, all of them said 2021 championship is reserved for Lewis. 🤣
@@sam-nariman6236 Mercedes W13, 2022
Who's gonna tell @magnussencube?
these numbers behind the cars make them sound like photocopiers , the Mclaren ink jet MP4-30
Racing Point RP20 is like the generic rebrand of a Mercedes W10
And if anyone knows how to use a photocopier....it's McLaren!
OsellaSquadraCorse actually the problem was that they couldn’t use one by themselves, and needed the help of a local store
Top Gear made this joke way back when the Mclaren MP4-12C road car was released.
@@WaterxDragon35 that is correct
Every Ferrari car since 08 basically
the SF71 was quite promising though. Its just their shite strategists
I would say F2010, SF70-H and SF71-H were quite good.
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yes, because for Ferrari, if you don't win the title it's a disappointment. If you put it that way every other car except RB until 2014 and Mercedes since is a disappointment.
exactly, ferrari failed to make a top car for 12 years in a row
"It's amazing! All these facilities and you build a piece of crap like this!" - Niki Lauda
"It's a Ferrari"
"Its a shitbox"
Hmmm, an interesting commonality in this list:
- A Honda engine severly compromised by a chassis design as well as unreliable
- McLaren not listening when they should've
Just take that in for a moment, while also remembering that both the designer they didn't listen to AND the Engine Supplier they didn't listen to are working together this season.
Lmao true
Isn't this the guy from autosport?
He's moved and this is miles better
@@lukeschillin Do we know why?
@@Orcawhale1 A lot of former Autosport people left to form a new publication that they were in control of the direction of, and this is the result.
Yeah that's why I'm here
Autosport videos are contentless ad-filled click-bait now.
comment before video: the sf1000 is gonna be here
comment after vid: wait wat
Schumacher made the 94 and 95 Benetton appear better than it was, and without him the B196 was a turd.
The F2005 wasn't as bad as it appeared, though probably not a championship winner. Take Imola 2005, the F2005 at one point was 2 seconds faster than everyone. Michelin was just far far superior than Bridgestone.
I disagree. Herbert won twice in the 95 Benetton.
I think the main failures of the 96 Benetton were the drivers
@@calais027 Herbert was incredibly lucky in those races. Benetton could have won races in 1996 as well. Alesi retired from the lead in the Monaco demolition derby and Berger was leading in Germany when he blew his engine in the penultimate lap. On pure pace the car just wasn't great; it was often humiliated by Williams in qualifying and I don't think that was down to the drivers.
Ross Brawn said on Beyond the Grid that the FIA announced the banning of tire for 2005 when the car was almost ready, so Ferraris had to go slower than they could because otherwise they would have constantly blown up their Bridgestones during races, as they were softer than the Michelins.
Not denying Schumacher's ability, but wasn't the 94 benetton the car that had the illegal traction control. It was only on Michael's car, Jos was adamant michaels car had an advantage
The 96 Benetton should have won the German GP but the engine went with 2 laps left
I think this could just be the last 10 years of Williams
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But then we wouldn't appreciate the 2012 Barcelona win and the memes...
hmm how about the 2014-2016 seasons ??
@@joribremer5260 chill bommer
Emmanuel no You obviously don't understand the new rules then
Honorable mention: BMW in 2009 with the BMW F1.09
Amazed that car didn’t get in. Didn’t BMW stop all development on the 2008 car to be well prepared for the 2009 rule changes? 2 podiums, several Q1 eliminations and scraping 6th in the constructors having languished in 8th for much of it was a huge letdown
@@alexwilliams5819Yep they did. Maybe Kubica would've won the Championship in 2008 if they decided to continue the development
@NtsParadize They should have continued developing the F1.08. They didn’t, and you see how that all played out.
@@sbinadero Then they retire from F1, let Sauber (practically) ruined (even Petronas leaves them) and say they don't want to return anymore soon using the crisis as an excuse. Merc will do the same: just wait for it.
Thats so true. thanks for mentioning that car. Such a wasted and a shame.
9:35
I'm still amazed how much effort was put into changing the rules such that Ferrari would lose it dominance yet nowadays if anything there seems to be help for Mercedes keeping there dominance (e.g. tires last year). Not saying Merc would not deserve the success they have, they absolutely do, I'm just annoyed about the inconsistency.
SufferingAddict and now with their steering wheel. The fia definitely has some favorites
ALL OF THIS!!!
@@diabeto62 But Ferrari started it
yet all the rules are aimed purely at helping Fezz its just Fezz are unable to use the gift the FIA give them properly (FIA= Fezz International Assistance) - think about the supper soft penalty the CLC got for not following the FIA instruction to pit the car when the nose was damaged even after part went flying and took out hamlitons wing mirror and i belive Perez with the debris. 25k sad really
Awwww, no Lotus E22? Shocking looks and shocking performance after a few years of Lotus being a race-winning, podium-scoring team. First car that came to mind when I saw the video!
I would also add the 1980 Ferrari to the list
Also because Raikkonen left and Maldonado came
@@jeffreypostma6832 me too
There are plenty of other disappointing F1 designs to make more top 10's.
McLaren MP4-28 (2013): having finished the 2012 season with the fastest car, despite losing Lewis Hamilton to Mercedes, hopes were high for McLaren to fight for the championship having had finger trouble time and time again in 2012. Instead, the team inexplicably threw caution to the wind in the car design. They completely changed the philosophy of the car design, having pullrod suspension all-round, adversely affecting the feel of the car for the drivers. The result was that neither Jenson Button nor his team mate for the year Sergio Perez could score podiums, let alone wins and a title challenge. They dropped from 3rd in the constructors championship in 2012 to 5th in 2013.
Ferrari F60 (2009): having won the constructors title the previous 2 years and the driver's title in 2007, Ferrari would be forgiven for thinking that they would be right up there again in 2009. Instead, the revolutionary changes to the aerodynamics threw them a curve ball. Not only was the car one of the many to fail to exploit the double diffuser loophole that Brawn picked up on, but the installation of KERS lead to some interesting handling characteristics. The motor-generator unit and energy store was located beneath the F60's fuel tank, which on paper was good because it kept the mass of it low down. However, when race fuel was added, it raised the centre of gravity, making the car unpredictable to drive. In addition, the car looked very basic compared to other teams, with little development taking place and the results showed it. The team fell from champions in the constructors championship with 172 points in 2008 to 4th in the constructors championship in 2009 with just 70 points. The drivability problems truly reared its head after Massa was badly injured in qualifying in Hungary when a heave spring from Barrichello's Brawn hit him on the head. Neither of the drivers hired to substitute for Massa, Luca Badoer and Giancarlo Fisichella, could cope with the handling of the F60, with both of them really struggling. Badoer had the dubious honour of being the only Ferrari driver to qualify last on pure pace for Grands Prix and Fisichella, despite having a feel for cars built to 2009 regulations and having a podium finish at Spa for Force India, he could barely coax the F60 to the top 10 in qualifying and by the end of the season he was also qualifying last on pace. The car was fortunate to record one win in the hands of Raikkonen at Spa
Ferrari F14T (2014): after falling short of the title every year in their partnership with Fernando Alonso, with the exception of 2011 where they were nowhere near capable of mounting a sustained title challenge, it was championship challenge or bust for Ferrari in their hopes of ending their championship drought. It was bust as it turned out. The first Ferrari designed around the current generation of full hybrid power units, the F14T was a big disappointment. Although they weren't alone in failing to properly do their homework in how to get the best out of the V6 turbo hybrids as Mercedes, indeed Renault were initially worse and Honda were even worse a year later, but Ferrari's was by the midpoint of 2014 the weakest power unit on the grid. Coupled with a vacuum cleaner nose, designed to meet the lower front crash structure mandated by the FIA, the car also looked really odd. Not even having a second former world champion drive the second car, Kimi Raikkonen, could help them as they suffered their worst season since 1980. From 3rd in the constructors championship in 2013 with 354 points (scoring 2 wins) to 4th in the constructors championship in 2014 with 216 points and only 2 podium finishes all year. This car contributed to Alonso running out of patience with Ferrari and leaving for (ultimately an even worse time) McLaren
The MCL33 should have been on here instead of the MP4/30. The 30 came about at a time when McLaren were starting to go downhill and already had a mediocre 2014, even with the best engine on the grid. The 33, meanwhile, was meant to come in with a better engine and to finally show off that McLaren had a good chassis, only for it to also be dreadful.
10 F1 cars that were massive disappointments: 2010-2019 Ferrari’s.
Not all of them - 2010, 2017 and especially 2018 were good cars. The other ones were disappointments, I agree with that.
Not exactly. 2010 was a good car, same goes for 2017, 2018. I think even 2015 was a good one
The 2017, 18 and 19 cars were the best cars at certain points of their respective seasons though
So it looks like the car of 2020 is a huge disappointment too
It was the lead driver not the car who messed up in 2018
The Ferrari F60 and the McLaren MP4-24 were massive disappointments.
The 70's did not produce disappointments apparently.
Leo Arc Because everyone was all over the place
Yeah, the Lotus 80 was almost exactly as good as the '79, and in no way a huge letdown..
It did.. the Ferrari of '79 was awesome while the Ferrari of '80 was an Unbelievable disappointment
Look up also: Lotus 76 (1974). Also, the Fittipaldi F6 (1979), which followed a promising 1978 season with a total clunker.
Changing a rule that's always been in racing just to end the Ferrari dominance, wow
Its pretty sad :( im a ferrari fan
Does politics play a part?
Can we find a way to end the Mercedes dominance? Do a 2005 rules change thing
@@Duval-In-The-Wall it was not fair and it's still not.
It's been pretty much a trend in F1. They did that in the late 70s to stop Lotus dominance due to ground effect, Then for Ferrari in 2005, Then for Red Bull in 2014 too
If I could suggest, what about the Top10 or Top15 driver line-ups in F1's history? I'm sure it would be interesting to see how those great rivalries (or collaborations!) compare. Apart from the most obvious ones there are Pironi-Villeneuve or Stewart-Cevert that would deserve to be remembered.
Or the worst title defences!
@@matthiascerebri3315 sebastian Vettel 2014
Honourable mentions:
McLaren - 1995
Williams - 1998
Ferrari - 2020
1: 2019 williams
So even when i agree, that this car was bad, it never had high expectations. Since the testing in Barcelona you knew, it would be bad. I'd rather say, that williams 2017 was a bigger desaster, since 2016 wasn't a bad year for them.
If you want to pick a car from 2019, i'd go with Renault. They had pretty high expectation for the year, yet they didn't reach them.
@@Warose92 ferrari for the decade though
@@Warose92 2016 was not a good year for Williams. Bottas' podium at Canada was a miracle.
Piloseb HAAS 2019 was wack considering they were coming off a p4 in the constructors
In 2017 stroll had a podium for williams and did pretty good that year
Mercedes clearly was waiting for the V6 era. I think people back in 2010 thought Mercedes were gonna pour in lots of money between 2010 and 2014
They did...just in Stuttgart into combustion chamber and turbo design development.
Glad you guys are continuing the countdown videos at The Race!
Keep them coming! Love it!
What do you think of the list? did we miss any obvious ones? Let us know
Perhaps the 2015 Red Bull and the 2016 Ferrari?
Both for the same reason as well actually. Both teams got three wins each the year prior and was hyped up to properly compete with the mighty Mercedes. But as fate would have it, they were slow and ended up dropping down in the conctructors championships all while not winning a single race.
Ferrari 312T5 from 1980 after winning the 1979 world championships. Finished 10th (Yes, 10th!) In the Constructors Championship with ONLY 8 points scored that year. Easily 1 of the worst Ferrari F1 cars ever made.
1984 Brabham comes to mind
The Lotus 80, perhaps...? You think they might have expected a little better?
@@espiao7343 Or 1982
Toyota in the years prior to 2007 had the Amazing capability of turning a mediocre to good car and drivers into promising and good results.I cant imagine what the company would be capable of in the present hybrid era with its now long tradition in this technology.
Number #1, the 2022 Mclaren!
Who’s here after watching McLaren at the 2022 Bahrain GP…😬
Top 10 underachieving cars please!
Some like mclaren 2005, williams 2003................
@@troyhighley9152 I think he means cars that didn't fulfill their potential.
Who’s here after merc dropped the ball in 2022
Very nice list. I like it. But as mentioned by others, where are the spectacular failures from 1970-1985. What about the Arrows A2 (a V2 rocket on wheels), Fittipaldi F6 (Concorde nose), Low-down Brabham BT55, wingless Lotus 80, Lotus 76, the Jabouille designed Ligier JS19
I actually really liked the look of the 2004 Williams' nose design
Loving the new content, keep it coming
Man, I always loved the look of the cigarette logo F1 cars.
Where is F14-T
Not that disappointing considering the 2013 car
@@xalataf3365 2013 car was ok, not a great car but it was ok
@@pitergriffin01 it was on average much faster than 2012 and 2011
It was just the 2013 Red Bull which was that superior, 2013 was alright, much better than 2012 and 2011 imo
@@xalataf3365 The 2013 car wasn't bad. It was Pirelli's decision to go back to the 2012 tyres that ruined it
Great Video! Funny that some of the nicer looking cars are the slow ones! 😅😪
What about the 2009 Ferrari. A year before in 2008 they lost the championship just by a wisker on the last lap. However in 2009 the big rule changes ferrari were no were only scoring one win.
You forgot the embarrassment called F14T :P
Mar Gor Not a big step down considering the 2 years before
It was a disappointment, I'll accept that... Was expecting Fernando to atleast win one race that year
What do you expect with a FIAT?
ah yes the Fiat
Ferrari and McLaren have something in common: when they make a mistake (in designing the car or a part of it) they're never humble enough to admit it.
Dis-honourable mentions:
Williams FW20
Ferrari 312T
Renault R27
Ferrari F14 T
Honda RA108
Ferrari F60
McLaren MP4-24
Very good & informative video, as usual. One car I think that should have made the video would have been the 1988 Williams Judd FW12.
Gerhard Berger would disagree with your assessment of the B196. He drove Schumi's B195 car late in 1995 after he'd signed with Benetton for '96, and said the car's handling was poor, and that when he drove it, he knew Schumacher was a great driver, because the B195 was not a car that anyone should be expected to win a title in. Remember, Berger knew what a championship car should be like; he drove two as Senna's teammate with McLaren. He wrote about all of this in his autobiography. It may have been a disappointment, but only because the B195 had been a mediocre car that a great driver dragged to a WDC.
Thank you youtube for recommending this after Austria 2020 Q2
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I don’t know how the McLaren 2013 car didn’t make this list
Yes your right Considering that Mclaren arguably had the fastest car in 2012. The 2013 car was shockingly bad.
It was their first season without finishing on the podium since 1980, and they never qualified in the top five - their worst since 1983. It was also the team's first season without a win since 2006.
At least it got better throughout the year but still a massive disappointment.
@@anthonyschmidt-ellis6353 That 2013 was the the start of a huge decline. I still don't understand why it turned out so bad. Decision process within the team? Aero problems? Wasn't like 2014 was any better despite having by far the best engine on the grid.
@@alexpeak16 I don't know exactly why either. I think it was because the 2013 car was not an evolution of the 2012 car. The team felt the 2012 car had reached its limit so for 2013 they decided to do a completed different concept and it did not work out. The car did improve throughout the year, in Brazil they finished 4th and 6th, but yes it a massive step down from 2012.
2014 was also bad Considering they had the best engine by a mile. They scored more points than 2013 but they should have been title challengers with that Mercedes engine.
@@anthonyschmidt-ellis6353 Yeah they aero department wasn't up to it in '14. They even managed to finish behind the worst Ferrari for over 20 years. Should have been a warning sign of internal problems but Dennis seemed oblivious to that, living off the team's past glories.
Sorry but some of these were not on the car. 96 benetton being on the drivers, 05 ferrari was entirely on the tyres. Proven by the fact at imola where the tyres worked and the ferrari was the fastest, by a mile. Merc car wasn't a disappointment as every one at the time prior to testing said they couldn't develop the car. So 3 on here are questionable. There are a lot of cars were more of a disappointment than these.
Phil Willcox 09 McLaren and Ferrari should’ve easily made it on the list
Yeah, 2005 was a bullshit rigged season.
Oh yeah those 09 cars should be there. Fair enough they were fighting for the title and a little bit of drop off was expected but no one expected those 2 cars to be that useless. 05 was the last rule change they had to stop ferrari tbf. Especially after 04. That's why imo the ferrari dominance was better than mercs now (no discredit to mercs or to upset anyone btw) but after 2002 everything was done to stop ferrari and they still did until 05.
@MEGATRON yes kimi was leading thr first 8 laps. However we never know how his tyres would be at the end. Schumacher set the fastest lap and from half way through the race was miles fastest than the rest. Also imola since 94 has been very hard to overtake, yet he was overtaking everyone minus alonso everywhere. That shows how good the car could be.
Yes there were aero changes, but the volume of changes after 02 was insane and since 14 there have been only a few to slow down the mercs. If u think the mercs have been tried to be stopped more than the 03-05 ferrari, I really question your knowledge on f1 history. The fia tried almost everything to stop their dominance
The 05 Ferrari was only fast in the hands of Schumacher tho.
You guys are from eurosport right? 0.o Eitherway, awesome videos!
SCUDERIA FERRARI SF1000 if only we knew when the vid came out
Holy moly 😍 early 2000s cars were all so beautiful
That design plus V10 was just PERFECTION
I'd have to admit also 2022 cars are coming back to a gorgeous design
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Personally the drivers weren't good enough for Benetton in 1996. Schumacher would've won the title if he stayed there. You only need to see his performance for Ferrari in a car that was worse than the Benetton. He won 3 races in it
The B196 was far and away the second best car of 1996 - that's one higher than last year, when Ferrari also had a better car. The problem wasn't the car - it was the drivers. Alesi and Berger were good, better than JV and Hill, but Schumacher is the GOAT for a damn good reason.
Completely agreed!
lol. Alesi was one of the biggest disappointments. Berger was past his prime. How good the B196 is difficult to judge as all the motivation in the mean must have been gone (with a lot of the technical team to follow very soon). And if Schumacher was GOAT he would have won at least 1997 and 1998. 1994 doesn't need to be discussed, but in 1995 Hill was just terrible. And his teammate would spin out on the formation lap and crash while entering the pits.
BMW Sauber F1.09
That's for sure since they stopped developping the 2008 car early on to concentrate on 2009 but if they didn't kubica could have been world champion
trois2540 ahhh yes I forgot about this
I think you have forgotten to mention Williams 2018 car which is a massive sudden failure to build a good competitive car!.
I have heard that a calculation error forced a redesign... what a shame really !
everyone knows the 2005 rule changes were literally to stop the ferrari dominance.
Replace the W01 with the SF90. Ferrari said they were 0.5 sec faster than Mercedes, but when it came to the 1st race, they were 0.7 sec slower than the Merc. If u do the math, they were 1.2 seconds slower than expected.
SF1000
2009 BMW Sauber, they scrapped 2008 to prepare the next car... that is proper disapointing
I would add BMW F1.09. They abadoned the development of previous car early when they had a achange to snatch a title with Kubica to focus on 2009 challenger. Yet, the car was non-consistent in performance and early semmingly good pace at Melbourne by Kubica was only a start with laughter that ended in tears.
Regarding Ferrari and the Tires, the FIA did that on purpose to stop them from winning. I.m.o.
Weren't Ferrari also compromised by having to increase their fuel tank volume?
@@MatthewLee8383 exactly
And now they allow mercedes to use das
One of the great tragedies of the 643 to me is the fact is that it's still one of the best looking and sounding Formula One cars of all time despite it's awful track record.
Benetton in 1996 is debatable. And surely Villeneuve's BAR in 1999 was the biggest disappointment ever
the 2011 ferrari springs to mind. after a strong 2010 campaign with fernando only just missing out on the championship at the final race, the 2011 car only won the silverstone race due to exhaust blowing being all but cancelled.
Williams FW20…. skinny Lizzie. Gone from a championship winning car to zero wins and the slow beginning of the end for Williams.
So, there were no disappointing cars from the first half of F1's existence? Gotcha. Thanks.
Its not a top 10 list, just a list of 10 cars
The reason the 1996 Benetton was such a disappointment was that it had been developed around Schumacher's driving style. Both Alesi and Berger didn't like the car's lose end and found it impossible to set up to their liking. The car was also unreliable and retired from 8 out of 16 races compared to 2 out of 17 races in 1995. Most notably Alesi retired from the Monaco GP while leading and Berger while leading the German GP with three more laps to go. Then there was this "small issue" that more and more Benetton technicians followed Schumacher to Ferrari leaving Benetton to fill in their gaps by promoting their own. Last but not least Briatore's relationship with Alesi deteriorated during the season leaving Alesi without any support.
What about the 1998 williams? They won both championships in 97 with a dominant car, only to score 1 podium in 1998 and with a awful red livery
that was also down to the fact that they lost their engines of '97
@@gokulamaanickam1367 eh, no they didn’t? The issue was they had the exact same engines as the 97 car
Missing: Jordan 192. After a first year in F1 with the beautiful and quick 191 Jordan slipped from a stunning 5th on their debut to a terrible 1992 where they only scored one point. At the Italian GP the 192 only managed to qualify because Senna gave his countryman and friend Gugelmin a tow down the main straight as the 192 lacked the power to out perform such luminaries as the Larrousse, Fondmetal or Minardi cars (Modena in the sister car finished nearly a second adrift of Gugelmin in qualification). The team scored their only point of the season in the last race at Australia mostly due to luck, overall the 192 managed 9 finishes out of a possible 32 and signed the death knell for both its drivers as neither Modena and Gugelmin drove in F1 again. The reason for this abysmal performance was the Yamaha engine which while free was about as much use as chocolate tyres.
#1 should be SF1000
The 2009 BMW deserves to be mentionned here. They were fighting for the championship in 2008 and they gave up in the middle of the season to focus on 2009 and be sure of having the best car of the grid... but they failed
The 1996 Benniton wasn't a bad car at all just the drivers were very average and nowhere near the level of Schumacher.
The 2006 Honda car was so so beautiful
Like the whole 2006 grid
> *MP4-30 gets mentioned
Alonso: GP2 engine. GP2... AAARGH~!
I remember MP4/19. The most shocking freefall car I've ever witnessed during that decade I've watched F1 actively. But re-design was to be paid off and only those two races held in Germany (Nurburgring & Hockenheimring) stopped Raikkonen to become a 2005 WC that season.
Number 11, Mercedes W13
Williams 2005 cars was still the better than 2019.
Red bull 2015???
Mercedes was still so far away and Ferrari clearly had the upper hand... no chance for this one.
You should rather place the 2014 car instead. It won races but was far off the pace
The Bennetton 96 probably wasn't that bad. Just needed Schumacher behind the wheel.
Great video.Thank you
Can we all agree that the 2004 Ferrari was the most beautiful car ever, or at least the 2000's
I was expecting SF90 to be on the list, it was certainly a disappointing car for fooling everyone after a good pre-season performance.
*changing rules in 2005 was a big blow to ferrari*
Surely, all the Jaguars? They had decent resources(Ford provided the money), has won a race the previous year(when they were Stewart - with some luck), had a decent engine and had two race winning drivers(including runner-up Eddie Irvine). They even hired Niki Lauda over the course of their period in F1, to help run the team.
Hmm where's Williams Mecachrome from 1998? Williams won the driver's championship and the constructor's championship prior. Im kinda surprised that I didn't see that on the video.
Can’t forget the hyped up, lay down Brabham BT55 of 1986.
The Crash and burn Brabham of Andrea de Cesaris and Ricardo Patrese....
I disagree on the Benetton B196. In 1995, Benetton won races and both championships not because but despite of the B195. Jean Alesi en Gerhard Berger were already very negative about that very car as soon as they started testing it.
Ruben Wassink still a disappointment :D
Very good video. Thanks
let me introduce to you, the SF1000
AMR22, absolutely stunning car and it can barely get out of its own way
Put the 2020 Ferrari on that list
The Brabham BT45 with the Alfa 12 was also a disappointment considering the BT44B had won various races the previous year.
It was a beautiful car but it was horrifically unreliable.
Number 11: McLaren MCL36
The B196 wasn't the reason Benetton struggled, it was the difference in class between Schumacher and Alesi/Berger!
Schumacher said the F412T2 was good enough to win a championship when he tested it in December 95, Berger said the B195 was undriveable when he tested it, only weeks after Schumacher won 9 races with it 😂 tells you all you need to know. Put Schuey in the B196 and he's probably winning another championship...
Merc were not aiming for a Championship during the V8 era, they were more focused on their V6 engine development from 2010-2013. 2013 shows that they even without the V6, they are extremely competitive and managed to beat Ferrari. Could they have challenged for the title during those years? They definetly could have, but it would be much harder than waiting for 2014 to just come along.
Not to mention focusing the attention on the 2010-2013 cars would have diverted resources away from the hybrids. And looking at how dominating they have been since then, it was a pretty good decision!
Is there an opposite one of these for cars that were better than expected?
That would be the Lotus 72. The team thought they would be able to run a new chassis but performance was dreadful so they had drag the old car out and modify it for new regulations. Emerson Fittipaldi won the title with it. That will never happen again with the rate technology keeps changing these days.
I'm guessing that there's an update to this list in the works, considering the dysmal performance of the new Ferrari.
The Ferrari of 2014. That was a piece of shit.
To be honest more than half the field in 2014 was disappointing because of Mercedes. In Bahrain after safety car they pulled almost 2 second a lap while fighting with each other.
Suzuka 2014 was even more frightening. In 9 laps from the SC: A whopping 37 (!) seconds lead over the rest of the field.