By some accounts, in the St. Petersburg 1914 chess tournament, the title "Grandmaster" was formally conferred by Russian Tsar Nicholas II, who had partially funded the tournament.[3] The Tsar reportedly awarded the title to the five finalists: Emanuel Lasker, José Raúl Capablanca, Alexander Alekhine, Siegbert Tarrasch, and Frank Marshall. Chess historian Edward Winter has questioned this, stating that the earliest known sources that support this story are an article by Robert Lewis Taylor in the June 15, 1940, issue of The New Yorker and Marshall's autobiography My 50 Years of Chess (1942).[5][6][7] Link to Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandmaster_(chess)
But also from wikipedia: "In the Ostend tournament of 1907 the term grandmaster (Großmeister in German) was used. The tournament was divided into two sections: the Championship Tournament and the Masters' Tournament. The Championship section was for players who had previously won an international tournament. Siegbert Tarrasch won the Championship section, over Carl Schlechter, Dawid Janowski, Frank Marshall, Amos Burn, and Mikhail Chigorin. These players were described as grandmasters for the purposes of the tournament. The San Sebastián 1912 tournament won by Akiba Rubinstein was a designated grandmaster event. Rubinstein won with 12½ points out of 19. Tied for second with 12 points were Aron Nimzowitsch and Rudolf Spielmann." These two events may be discounted as they only confer the title "grandmaster" 'for the event'; but that may also be the case for the Tsar's comment regarding the St Petersburg tournament.
According to the Wikipedia entry, Edward Winter mentioned this story in his books 'Kings, Commoners and Knaves: Further Chess Explorations' (1999), 'A Chess Omnibus' (2003) and in the note 9317 of his 'Chess Notes', published in the web www.chesshistory.com, and entitled 'Tsar Nicholas II and the first five grandmasters' www.chesshistory.com/winter/winter131.html#9356._An_old_task_C.N.s_9278__9302 In that column Mr. Winter mentions that Tsar Nicholas II contributed to the tournament with 1000 roubles, and that fact seems to be confirmed by publications previous to the event, such as the French La Stratégie, in the page 79 of the issue of February 1914. By the way, Tsar Nicholas II, the last Romanov, was the last Russian Tsar, as Nicholas and his family were executed by the Bolsheviks on the night of 16/17 July 1918. Here I provide a link to the (according to Mr. Winter) first known source to the five grandmasters story, the article published by Robert Lewis Taylor in the 15th of June 1940 issue of The New Yorker. www.newyorker.com/magazine/1940/06/15/1940-06-15-052-tny-cards-000181423
now that i see your profile pic, i was just finished watching a re4 speedrun,before watching lasker's game, now im terrified that im inside The Simulation World or whatever it called
I admire Lasker very much, but I find him a hard master to learn from. There is nothing distinctive in his style to grab onto for a lesson. He had a strange universality of his chess style. He could play brilliant attacks. He could defend as tenaciously as anyone in history. When the situation called for it he could play tidy methodical Tarrasch style chess. He could also play crazy chess in strange unbalanced positions with material imbalances and weird pawn structures. Anything and everything he could do. He was a great endgame player. He wasn't so famous for precise endgames like Capablanca and Rubinstein, though he has a few of those. But he was very dangerous in fighting endgames with chances for both sides. He would almost always get the better of his opponent,. Hans Kmoch once joked that Morphy perfected the attacking style, Steinitz the positional style, Tarrasch the methodical style, Capablanca the precise machine-like style, and Lasker perfected the styleless style,
I think it's safe to say that the most valuable lesson Lasker can teach us is the importance of flexibility and to have an oportunistic hawk eye. His caracteristics broke up every deterministic discussion about how good chess was supposed to be and forced the game to evolute.
Your coverage of the Capablanca saga thus far has been truly epic! It is an amazing story so far and I look forward to your videos every day. Thank you so much Agadmator!
I think that it's safe to say that the most valuable lesson Lasker can teach us is the importance of flexibility and to have an oportunistic hawk eye. His caracteristics broke up every deterministic discussion about how good chess was supposed to be and forced the game to evolute. Great video as usual, Agadmator. Thank you very much for your amazing contribution to the chess community. I am looking forward for the Lasker's saga!
#Suggestion Can you please request Agadmator to make a video on Raunak Sadhwani the latest Indian grand master. Possibly a video on the game between Raunak and Anandh
Lasker attack was deadly . I marvel at all the stuff this guys can see. They avoid so many traps in a game. Nowaday with the profound knowledge of the openning by the great player many of this position are avoid. The price of enlightment. I wonder how Mikhail Tal would fare against the internet generation of players who won't fall for his soccery.
Have to just shout out a complement: great shows. Love when you give the audience time to think about the next move(s). Thank you for an excellent show!
Fantastic game by both of them, at one stage I thought Lasko was in big trouble SINCE THIS VIDEO IS NEW March 4th 2019 Out of interest I'd like to do a poll: What's the highest level you've beaten the computer in default Windows Chess please. Best I could reach so far is level 7... maybe this is average, I don't know ;)
Changed my opinion. I'm playing around 2200 now, and can now gracefully ignore that agadmator isn't that wired for chess, unlike before. Don't need to be agm to love chess. BTW I complained a while ago that he isn't getting the real themes in these games. Since then I've realized that his social commentary is really super nice, it builds our community. Nevertheless I wish he would take a course, if there's a good one out there, to push his rating above mine. That would make me super happy!! Long story short, I love listening to these games when I'm free. Double love that agadmator calls out most moves on notation so it's easier to follow audibly
Good Sir, can we get some feel good games for Marshall? Maybe a series? I feel every time he's on your channel he's being throttled or serving as some stepping stone.
i thought in 5:37 you can go Ng6 and fork queen, rook and the bishop, but then you get check and losing the knight. THX agadmator for improving my game, but this excellent videos ;)
It took some tracking down but here's what I found regarding prizing w/ inflation. According to an old copy of the New York Times 100 rubles could be purchased for 39$ in 1915, which makes the grand prize aproximately 468 USD at the time, accounting for inflation the prizing was worth just about 12 grand ($11851.98) Lasker was paid the equivalent of almost 40 grand ($39506.60) just to attend!
Yeah, so let's hope for the Agad treatment on a future "Marshall saga." This giant in the chess world started the famous New York chess club bearing his name in 1915 and it continues into the present day, unlike that OTHER famous organization, the Manhattan Chess Club (1877-2002.)
3:35 -- Geez, Frank, why on earth would you castle in that direction when Lasker is already gunning three pieces including his queen up into that corner, and his rook could be there in two moves as well? You have to play perfectly to keep from getting mated, when Bg7 was just begging as the better move. If, after Bg7, Lasker starts pawn-gobbling, then you move your artillery into position: after Qxb7? then Rb8 (commanding the file), and if then Qxa7? or Qxc7?, now you have *TWO* files for your linked rooks after castling king-side. The more of your pawns he eats, the worse he gets. You went down like a punk when your buddy Paul was depending on you to hold a draw to force a run-off.
#suggestion I think u shud also show Blackburne's games as bonus videos. Because i dont think u wil be doing a blackburne saga. And we might miss out on those Amazing games.
#suggestion Adhiban, B. (2683) vs. Grandelius, Nils (2694) , the World Team Championship (men) , 5 Mar 2019. A brilliant move was played in that game...
really been enjoying ur vids lately. I know u have adressed this before, but would u consider doing some sort of tutorial videos for us amateurs/beginners
I may not really know Paul Morphy that well, but I can imagine he should be called grandmaster, his fame & masterpiece really reminded to the chess world
At 7:00 the threats are mounting against Marshall's king. Rather than preparing a defense he goes for counterplay with Qg5+, a check which proves harmless. He follows this with Bd6, Rhe8, and Bf5 to set up an attack, but it's too slow. On the very next move he is forced to move his bishop back to defend. This is how he lost the game. His counterattack was too late to be effective, and it also wasted any chance he had to spoil Lasker's plans.
#suggestion Dear Agadmator, please review The 7th game of 1966 World Chess Championship, between Petrosian and Spassky. In this game we can see how impenetrable Petrosian's defense was. Thank you!
In my opinion, it would have been more enjoyable if you just have kept the final standings of the tournament to the end of this video..... Just to add more excitement to the saga. 😁😁✌
The reports of the 5 being declared "Grand Masters of Chess" is almost certainly apocryphal. The earliest printed examples of that story date to 1940-41. tavi.
Hi agad, I disagree about your point about the position not being favorable for laskar at 5:40. Laskars Knight has a golden opportunity to fork Marshalls Queen and rook.
@agadmator's chess channel Two questions: 1) future pllans for twitch streaming at all? 2) at the end of this video, you mentioned you're gonna show a nimsovitch vs tarasch vid, I'm wondering if you can show more of Sam Shankland one day? 😅
Hello Agamator.I heard that comment also, about awarding some chess masters the grand master titles but I can't remember if it was after this tournament, or about these 5 players.
1914 Gold 2020 Roubles grams USD 1,200.00 928.80 52,263.67 1,800.00 1,393.20 78,395.50 4,000.00 3,096.00 174,212.22 Based on the Gold content of Russian Roubles 1890-1910 from the 5 rouble coin. I estimate the value of the prizes. I think Chess players today are doing much better.
I know its a meme, but just to put it out here: Everyone who read the Handbook of Chess from 1843 knew the Berlin defense and that it leads to a game with the character of a draw.
By some accounts, in the St. Petersburg 1914 chess tournament, the title "Grandmaster" was formally conferred by Russian Tsar Nicholas II, who had partially funded the tournament.[3] The Tsar reportedly awarded the title to the five finalists: Emanuel Lasker, José Raúl Capablanca, Alexander Alekhine, Siegbert Tarrasch, and Frank Marshall. Chess historian Edward Winter has questioned this, stating that the earliest known sources that support this story are an article by Robert Lewis Taylor in the June 15, 1940, issue of The New Yorker and Marshall's autobiography My 50 Years of Chess (1942).[5][6][7]
Link to Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandmaster_(chess)
Vast knowledge increased!
Is there anything against considering Marshall's autobiography as a reliable source for this as he WAS there??
But also from wikipedia:
"In the Ostend tournament of 1907 the term grandmaster (Großmeister in German) was used. The tournament was divided into two sections: the Championship Tournament and the Masters' Tournament. The Championship section was for players who had previously won an international tournament. Siegbert Tarrasch won the Championship section, over Carl Schlechter, Dawid Janowski, Frank Marshall, Amos Burn, and Mikhail Chigorin. These players were described as grandmasters for the purposes of the tournament.
The San Sebastián 1912 tournament won by Akiba Rubinstein was a designated grandmaster event. Rubinstein won with 12½ points out of 19. Tied for second with 12 points were Aron Nimzowitsch and Rudolf Spielmann."
These two events may be discounted as they only confer the title "grandmaster" 'for the event'; but that may also be the case for the Tsar's comment regarding the St Petersburg tournament.
According to the Wikipedia entry, Edward Winter mentioned this story in his books 'Kings, Commoners and Knaves: Further Chess Explorations' (1999), 'A Chess Omnibus' (2003) and in the note 9317 of his 'Chess Notes', published in the web www.chesshistory.com, and entitled 'Tsar Nicholas II and the first five grandmasters'
www.chesshistory.com/winter/winter131.html#9356._An_old_task_C.N.s_9278__9302
In that column Mr. Winter mentions that Tsar Nicholas II contributed to the tournament with 1000 roubles, and that fact seems to be confirmed by publications previous to the event, such as the French La Stratégie, in the page 79 of the issue of February 1914.
By the way, Tsar Nicholas II, the last Romanov, was the last Russian Tsar, as Nicholas and his family were executed by the Bolsheviks on the night of 16/17 July 1918.
Here I provide a link to the (according to Mr. Winter) first known source to the five grandmasters story, the article published by Robert Lewis Taylor in the 15th of June 1940 issue of The New Yorker.
www.newyorker.com/magazine/1940/06/15/1940-06-15-052-tny-cards-000181423
Lasker's new title, beast master!
"I did not receive the book by Tarrasch" is the new "Capablanca didn't know any opening theory"
"Capablanca saga DLC : Lasker vs Marshall 1914".
Chuckled
Published by EA
@@victory_jade nah its free 2 play so not by EA
Rofl
I never get tired of the Lasker picture. He looks like a crazy genius
On Polish wikipedia it says he was friends with Albert Einstein.
@@Maciosq They must have met at the barber's.
seeing this comment, i went straight to google and i found a nice article about lasker and einstein worth a read
now that i see your profile pic, i was just finished watching a re4 speedrun,before watching lasker's game, now im terrified that im inside The Simulation World or whatever it called
He looks like Grumpy from the seven dwarves grown old and taking shit out on people across the board...
I admire Lasker very much, but I find him a hard master to learn from. There is nothing distinctive in his style to grab onto for a lesson. He had a strange universality of his chess style. He could play brilliant attacks. He could defend as tenaciously as anyone in history. When the situation called for it he could play tidy methodical Tarrasch style chess. He could also play crazy chess in strange unbalanced positions with material imbalances and weird pawn structures. Anything and everything he could do. He was a great endgame player. He wasn't so famous for precise endgames like Capablanca and Rubinstein, though he has a few of those. But he was very dangerous in fighting endgames with chances for both sides. He would almost always get the better of his opponent,. Hans Kmoch once joked that Morphy perfected the attacking style, Steinitz the positional style, Tarrasch the methodical style, Capablanca the precise machine-like style, and Lasker perfected the styleless style,
What is the best Style?
To have no Style at all!!
I think it's safe to say that the most valuable lesson Lasker can teach us is the importance of flexibility and to have an oportunistic hawk eye. His caracteristics broke up every deterministic discussion about how good chess was supposed to be and forced the game to evolute.
Very good observation. Another great chess master for whom we could say the same was Boris Spassky in my opinion.
The sentence continues to describing Alekhine's style as 'Style as brilliant as sunlight'
I know you did it for everyone, but I feel like you did it for me :)
Shifu RC oh so you sucked up this guy and got a love from him
Vast knowledge 0:00
First move 1:52
FInd next move 3:57
Your coverage of the Capablanca saga thus far has been truly epic! It is an amazing story so far and I look forward to your videos every day. Thank you so much Agadmator!
I think that it's safe to say that the most valuable lesson Lasker can teach us is the importance of flexibility and to have an oportunistic hawk eye. His caracteristics broke up every deterministic discussion about how good chess was supposed to be and forced the game to evolute.
Great video as usual, Agadmator. Thank you very much for your amazing contribution to the chess community. I am looking forward for the Lasker's saga!
My janitor from secondary school look identical like Lasker.
Lasker looks so silly
Half the lunch-ladies in my primary school bore a striking resemblance as well.
@@xpartyland8045 This photo had to be from the 30's or 40's. He was only 46 years old at St Petersburg 1914.
@@billy2182 I've seen multiple pictures of Lasker and despite the fact there were no hq cameras he look silly everytime
Good point.
These historic Games have the best Checkmates Fantastic Game Tks Agadmator
Lasker's saga should b there after Capablanca's saga.
I think Alekhine's saga should be next, because it's basically the second part of the Capablanca saga.
We need a karpov vs kasparov series
Got my bowl of instant noodles , a mug of coffee now time for some agad! Perfect evening
noodles n coffee??
lucas bezerra facó you have weird combos in uni ahah
Lasker in beast mode.
He just dismantled Marshall, didn't he?
Lasker shouldnt be forgotten.
#Suggestion Can you please request Agadmator to make a video on Raunak Sadhwani the latest Indian grand master. Possibly a video on the game between Raunak and Anandh
Lasker attack was deadly . I marvel at all the stuff this guys can see. They avoid so many traps in a game. Nowaday with the profound knowledge of the openning by the great player many of this position are avoid. The price of enlightment. I wonder how Mikhail Tal would fare against the internet generation of players who won't fall for his soccery.
Lasker was a monster on the board!
A bonus game on my birthday! An excellent gift by agadmator. Thank you 😀.
And it was in this position that agadmator decides to provide a bonus video.
A short game and an impressive victory for Lasker!
I just love all these games.
Have to just shout out a complement: great shows. Love when you give the audience time to think about the next move(s). Thank you for an excellent show!
Fantastic game by both of them, at one stage I thought Lasko was in big trouble
SINCE THIS VIDEO IS NEW March 4th 2019
Out of interest I'd like to do a poll:
What's the highest level you've beaten the computer in default Windows Chess please.
Best I could reach so far is level 7... maybe this is average, I don't know ;)
Totally insane tournament!
Lasker with a crushing win. Nice.
Keep making such awesome content, you one of my fav utube channels
i tink lasker should be given the title of a great grand master
Thanks Agadmator.
You do deliver big time with your videos.
This is exactly what I needed
I love you man, I was praying to watch a new games
Thank you a lot
F***ing best channel for chess! ❤️❤️
Keep it up agadmator!
This is what capablanca's rival able to do against american beauty
thanks agad
you're amazing
Changed my opinion. I'm playing around 2200 now, and can now gracefully ignore that agadmator isn't that wired for chess, unlike before. Don't need to be agm to love chess.
BTW I complained a while ago that he isn't getting the real themes in these games.
Since then I've realized that his social commentary is really super nice, it builds our community.
Nevertheless I wish he would take a course, if there's a good one out there, to push his rating above mine. That would make me super happy!!
Long story short, I love listening to these games when I'm free. Double love that agadmator calls out most moves on notation so it's easier to follow audibly
What a pompous ass.
Interesting fact:
march 5th is siegbert tarrasch's birthday
Good Sir, can we get some feel good games for Marshall? Maybe a series? I feel every time he's on your channel he's being throttled or serving as some stepping stone.
i thought in 5:37 you can go Ng6 and fork queen, rook and the bishop, but then you get check and losing the knight. THX agadmator for improving my game, but this excellent videos ;)
Ah, I didnt see the check. Thanks
It took some tracking down but here's what I found regarding prizing w/ inflation. According to an old copy of the New York Times 100 rubles could be purchased for 39$ in 1915, which makes the grand prize aproximately 468 USD at the time, accounting for inflation the prizing was worth just about 12 grand ($11851.98) Lasker was paid the equivalent of almost 40 grand ($39506.60) just to attend!
Thank you so much for all the excellent content
#suggestion : another LC vs Stockfish game and recap the match please
This capablanca saga dlc looks good!
Marshall always has his sneak attacks in sharp games.
PSA: We'll take a break from the Capablanca saga to savour a game between two geniuses of the game
One job, Marshall. One job.
What a game. The threat of checkmate loomed heavy over both heads. How cool and calculating was Lasker. Nice extra agad.
Hello there, great video as always 😁
Thanks Antonio
It’s funny that if you look at Marshal’s games only by the last few agamators videos you would think he wasn’t a strong player
Yeah, so let's hope for the Agad treatment on a future "Marshall saga." This giant in the chess world started the famous New York chess club bearing his name in 1915 and it continues into the present day, unlike that OTHER famous organization, the Manhattan Chess Club (1877-2002.)
I did not know Lasker won.Thanks for spoiling the video for me.
I thought the move at 3:50 would be Qg5+ to win the knight on d5. The other continuation is sweet
I thought about that too, there is no way to block check and protect the knight
Who won the TCEC 2019 final? Leela or Stockfish? I can't seem to find the result anywhere
I think Stockfish, but I'm not sure
Stockfish. 50.5 to 49.5.
Chessbomb.com has the results. www.chessbomb.com/arena/2019-tcec-s14-superfinal
you can't earn all the money but you have to strive for it - Lasker’s motto
Wow, that Lasker guy seemed strong.
#suggestion #suggestions Aleksey Sorokin vs. Aleksander Mista, played today in the Spring Chess Classic. Great queen sac, wild game, crazy win.
3:35 -- Geez, Frank, why on earth would you castle in that direction when Lasker is already gunning three pieces including his queen up into that corner, and his rook could be there in two moves as well? You have to play perfectly to keep from getting mated, when Bg7 was just begging as the better move. If, after Bg7, Lasker starts pawn-gobbling, then you move your artillery into position: after Qxb7? then Rb8 (commanding the file), and if then Qxa7? or Qxc7?, now you have *TWO* files for your linked rooks after castling king-side. The more of your pawns he eats, the worse he gets.
You went down like a punk when your buddy Paul was depending on you to hold a draw to force a run-off.
I'm just gonna say it, Frank James Marshall looks like the man who is the warden in The Green Mile
#suggestion I think u shud also show Blackburne's games as bonus videos. Because i dont think u wil be doing a blackburne saga. And we might miss out on those Amazing games.
#suggestion Adhiban, B. (2683) vs. Grandelius, Nils (2694)
, the World Team Championship (men) , 5 Mar 2019. A brilliant move was played in that game...
5:45 but then Ng6 forks the black queen and rook! Too bad that ..Qg5+ gets rid of the assault
Yeah it's a dangerous move as it also forks the bishop on f8.
really been enjoying ur vids lately. I know u have adressed this before, but would u consider doing some sort of tutorial videos for us amateurs/beginners
I may not really know Paul Morphy that well, but I can imagine he should be called grandmaster, his fame & masterpiece really reminded to the chess world
DAMN IT MARSHALL
Wow great game
agadmator analise the game between Ding Liren and Mamedov. I think it is a good game
At 7:00 the threats are mounting against Marshall's king. Rather than preparing a defense he goes for counterplay with Qg5+, a check which proves harmless. He follows this with Bd6, Rhe8, and Bf5 to set up an attack, but it's too slow. On the very next move he is forced to move his bishop back to defend. This is how he lost the game. His counterattack was too late to be effective, and it also wasted any chance he had to spoil Lasker's plans.
#suggestion Dear Agadmator, please review The 7th game of 1966 World Chess Championship, between Petrosian and Spassky. In this game we can see how impenetrable Petrosian's defense was. Thank you!
In my opinion, it would have been more enjoyable if you just have kept the final standings of the tournament to the end of this video.....
Just to add more excitement to the saga.
😁😁✌
The reports of the 5 being declared "Grand Masters of Chess" is almost certainly apocryphal. The earliest printed examples of that story date to 1940-41. tavi.
Great video but you should have saved it for maybe a future lasker saga
Hi agad, I disagree about your point about the position not being favorable for laskar at 5:40. Laskars Knight has a golden opportunity to fork Marshalls Queen and rook.
Frank Marshall looks very much like the American actor James Cromwell.
Hey Antonio, I'm your daily viewer. Can you please help me with one thing. I wanted to know how you draw arrows on your chess.com analysis board?
🔥🔥
Lol lasker looks like he could be related to you
0:40 with auto captions "I did not receive my boob Isaac Roberta" lol
#suggestion Mikhail chigorin vs Emanuel Lasker 1895/96 St.Petersburg tournament. You will be surprised to know the gambit used in this match.
Spoilers in 1/10 of agadmator's video.
@agadmator's chess channel Two questions:
1) future pllans for twitch streaming at all?
2) at the end of this video, you mentioned you're gonna show a nimsovitch vs tarasch vid, I'm wondering if you can show more of Sam Shankland one day? 😅
4:15 what if we directly go for queen gf check befor capturing the knight with the bishop
I thought of the same move.... Simple yet effective....
In 5:50 the white can give fork by Ng6
Hello Agamator.I heard that comment also, about awarding some chess masters the grand master titles but I can't remember if it was after this tournament, or about these 5 players.
Damn, Marshall got litterally shitted on
Marshal is a punching bag
1914 Gold 2020
Roubles grams USD
1,200.00 928.80 52,263.67
1,800.00 1,393.20 78,395.50
4,000.00 3,096.00 174,212.22
Based on the Gold content of Russian Roubles 1890-1910 from the 5 rouble coin.
I estimate the value of the prizes. I think Chess players today are doing much better.
Just curious. What chess engine do u use to do your analysis? It's looks a fritz engine ...
Rubles sounds like some sort of chess currency. Maybe if you save up, you can buy a morphy head!
We need Lasker best game, vs pillsbury
This saga looks more like lasker's saga :)
in the variation shown at 5:44, isnt Ng6 a winning continuation for white?
But did Lasker know any opening theory?
Lasker was opening theory
I know its a meme, but just to put it out here: Everyone who read the Handbook of Chess from 1843 knew the Berlin defense and that it leads to a game with the character of a draw.
@@SenorQuichotte he invented opening theory
**Plays The Sodium Attack** I'm doing opening theory!
Lasker looks like Einstein
"I do not find it excessive to pay a chess player a big pile of money just to show up" - A chess player. Imagine that.
Ruthless.
#suggestion, Agad, stockfish turned out to be the winner of the TCEC, could you check it
Do make a video on game between Nimzo and Dr.Tarrasch you mentioned in the last video.
Will do
When are these weekly tournaments he's talking about?
6:50 the real threat is RxC7
Man with 6 haters 😅#agadmator
more extra videos!!!
could we get a Morphy saga after this please?
But at 5:46 you have Ng6, forking everything, that must be good
Thank you