Cracking review mate, it’s about time you did one 😁👍🏻 I accept the challenge to take it out, looking forward to it 👍🏻 as for the stickers, you only need a GCSE 😂, enjoyed that 😁👍🏻👊
Haha they get us all those stickers, ah need a GSCE that is where I struggle lol. Nice one, thought you would not turn down a challenge cannot wait to see itnas well 🤙🏼
I bought a brand new 2019 A50 Altitude powerplay back in August of this year and It has not missed a beat. Over 800 miles on it and not had a single problem that wasn't caused by me...speed sensor cut by the brake rotor when a stick got wedged in the drivetrain! $30 replacement part. I wash it every other ride and have not had any of the water proof issues. I have upgraded just about every component to top spec. If there was an A90 rally edition...this would be it! Cannot say enough about how good this is. The only negative that I have is that it is a beast to pedal when your battery goes flat!
Nice, and also imagine very nice not having the pain I did in first 14 months 🤣 But that is also a testament to how much I believed in the bike as knew it was the best. I just got unlucky with this one. However as mentioned it has also not missed a heart beat since all fixed and is the ebike I wanted when purchasing it 👍🏼 Your bike sounds good and certainly A90 worthy by sounds of it! They are so good aren't they, let you have that unique feeling as well as not as many around really. Thanks for watching ⚡
You won't regret it 👍🏼 also little advice, wait for the new 2022 model, or even get a deposit on a pre order, should be a stunning bit of kit! Will be announced soon I hope as well ⚡👍🏼
Great review. Admire your honesty. Good to highlight the bad as well as the good. And also about yourself and your capabilities. There is a lot of cynicism out there on ebikes, but love the way you just emphasize what a great bike this is and ultimately what pleasure it gives you. Fair play - good for you. Look fwd to seeing Marks review on it, be fascinating to see his thoughts on it - All the best Adam 👍
Thanks Adam, yeh never comfortable being in front of camera but had to get it done 🤣 Glad you enjoyed it, had to to make sure I captured the negative points along with the work around as such which I have either been told or learnt so others can benefit from it as well. Really hard to not come across as a I know everything as I clearly don't, but instead what this bike is to me at my level. Tell you what cannot wait to see both Marc and Jasons videos, such different riders to myself I think it will be a real treat for the viewers. Thanks for the kind support as well 🤙🏼 all best Christian
Nice honest review man. Never really thought about how much issues an ebike could have especially with the wildly wet conditions we always tend to see you riding through. Makes a lot of sense though. Thanks for the good info bud
When they go wrong, they proper go wrong 🤣 as I found out, since all the replacements amd my better knowledge though has run like a dream ever since even in the awful weather 👍🏼 made me fall back in love with it. Glad you liked the review mate, and hopefully my being honest can help others if ever needed or at least help prevent some of the same issues I experienced 👍🏼
🤣 welcome to the club ⚡ totally the same as you mate, never ridden as much before in my life and with a smile. Benefit progressed my skills loads because of the ebike can just keep smashing out lap after lap or big adventure rides. Glad you're loving yours 👍🏼
Great review mate. Glad you had good support from your dealer. Good dealers are even more important for e-bikes, because of the increased potential for issues compared to acoustic bikes. I've been trying to sort out problems with my old e-bike since March after the dealer stopped stocking the brand. So far, I'm onto my third dealer after getting ripped off by the second one I went to! Got the bike back last week, and guess what, it still doesn't work!
So true, think the hardest pill to swallow was that it never worked correctly from day one and then took 14 months to fix fully. Just figured if I could share some of the learnings it might help others not have to go through that pain themselves. Thing isnwe never get told these hacks so have to learn about them from different forums. Sounds like you are having a nightmare as well, would be good of you share your learnings once it is fixed. Really hope they resolve it soon as well for you! Good after sales support is crucial, that is the main reason I did not want to purchase an ebike online. I wanted a person I could see face to face. Cheers for watching and glad you liked it 👍🏼
Cheers mate, glad you liked it was not easy putting this together being infront of camera I am never a fan of 🙄 will try my best to ensure the progression continues ⚡
Great review mate and yeah, I am up for it but it'll be up in the Lakes rather than Eastridge, and you're coming too & riding my Orange down 👍 I will be kind and push/carry the eBike up if I am riding it down 😃
Thanks for the Review! I also had to change a lot at the same bike in the past 2,5 years like akku, motor, iwoc and just yesterday my torque arm broke. But I still love this bike so much! :-) I didn't understand: How do you make the walking mode faster?
Same here, even with the issues at the start would not swap this bike for another one, well not yet anyway. To get the walk mode faster change gear and put in a higher one. Speed is dependent on the gear you have your bike in when activating walk mode 👍🏼 if in easy gear will go really slow.
Also, anyone looking for a friendly, useful Facebook group Jay runs the one in link below. Pop over and have a look 👍🏼 facebook.com/groups/1744092975911526/?ref=share
Ha, got a 2018 Altitude C70 and pretty much feel exactly the same way as you! pain in my ass with everything failing at first, but now that I've got it dialled, I am left with the best e-bike ever. I'd love to try a current Kenevo to compare. From what I can tell all the other e-mtb are also having lots of motor and water issues.
Crazy isn't it as normally would have just got money back, but like you knew just how good the bike is when working so kept with it. Glad I did as well 😃 Would like to try the kenevo as well, but honestly if there was one bike I really want to try is the new Kelly's Theos F90. That bike looks amazing 😍 not as good as ours of course though 🤣
Brilliant review, and bike 👍i love a rocky, I had a 2016 carbon Altitude 730 mls which was my first full sus, brilliant bike sold it recently and missing it already. The idea was to sell the rocky and my dh rig and get a inbetweener endro but covid means I can't get a bike(nomad) until the new year. Since been looking at the slayer and even the new Altitude c90 rally 🤷♂️ stressful choosing a bike 😂. Enjoyed the vid 👍 look forward to jasons and marcs run on it 👊
That new slayer 😍 it is one of the few bikes which I would purchase that is a none ebike it is bloody lovely! Would have gone for the C90 Powerplay but struggled to justify cost of the C70 🤣 I really cannot want to see two proper riders have a go on it as well, even of they come out slower I hope they still both have a big grin just from the climbing as I do. Thanks for watching and glad you liked it as well, not easy doing a review video without trying to come across as a know it all, just wanted viewers to have an honest opinion of my likes, dislikes and hopefully some advice which will help them 🤙🏼
Chalk and cheese?... Lol that a new one for me. Never heard it. Wow, this is wild, I haven't had any of those problems you talked about. I wonder what the difference is. Oh I don't wash it with a pressure washer, just garden hose pressure
Heard of other riders with iwoc issues, and all listed but not all on one bike 😭 my theory is I got really unlucky, like you I wash this bike with so much care and prior to the issues. What kept me going was I knew what an incredible bike it is and was going to get it fixed one way or another 🤣
.....loved your review mate....very honest and the sort of review anyone thinking about taking the plunge in getting “ bummed” out of their hard earned cash for these vastly overpriced toys ....I can testify to this with the Levo .....Brilliant bike....but very basic components . I’m really sorry you had so many early gremlins....thank goodness for warranty ! ...oh yea....you best get Marc to give you a 4 grand bond before he has it.....cos after he’s been around the peaks.....you ain’t getting it back lol 😂 can’t wait for 2021....and we can do our own comparison video
Cheers mate, glad you liked it and hopefully gives a bigger over view of it, but also some useful advice to help prevent anyone esle having some similar issues. Haha reckon you are right about the bond from Marc 🤣 Once you are healed we will be getting out, and for sure a head to head will follow. Be a great comparison, the giant of specialised versus the small brand. Will be interesting to see how they get on 👍🏼👍🏼
Keep those tips coming anything that helps us if fantastic in my eyes, I have learnt so much from the Facebook groups I am in, saved me a few times now 👍🏼👍🏼
Great review, lots of good hacks in there, maybe don't do your tec-talk road side😀 Seems like they need to lift there water proofing game a little , quite a few brands have problems in this area, it's a mtb it's going to get wet and muddy , for the price we pay a little more thought on these small items would go a long way. What happened to motor and battery? Was everything fixed under warranty? They are a slick machine, I'd love to own one but they are pretty pricey here in NZ(probably on par with specialized) also almost impossible to get like many brands at the moment. Glade you are enjoying it. Shane
Yeh thought that afterwards by a road was not great 🤣 They really do, the controller being such a crucial part has to be totally waterproof, to the point even if it was submerged it still works. We pay a load of money for the bikes so should not be getting such a simple thing wrong. Fortunately everything was replaced under warranty, the battery and motor were replaced, in my opinion because they were unsure what was actually wrong with the bike and figured it could cure it. The UK distributor actually called me in the end to apologise and ensure everything was sorted for me, which eventually along with the bike shop they did 👍🏼 Yeh these are not cheap, I actually added in a clip where I say the crazy thing is this bike is worth more than my car which is also true. However road traffic decided to interfere with that clip haha. They sell out really quickly when they come in stock in the UK as well. Thank you for your comment and really glad you liked it 👍🏼
Always mate, only way is to be honest so others get the full picture 👍🏼 cheers as well, was hard doing a review video without coming across like a Womble, and you know I agree about the looks ⚡😍😎
Appreciating the problem of how to get an EMTB into an estate car. Can't see how to attach a picture here so will have to describe. I have a roller made from 6 inch plastic drainage pipe, wrapped in a bit of old carpet. It's about 90cm long. A length of plastic rope about 6mm diameter forms a loop going through the roller. Put the loop over one of the front headrests. The tube is then parallel to the front seats and about somewhat less than one metre in from the back of the car. Take off the front wheel of the EMTB and holding horizontally on a balance point (one hand top of forks the other top of the rear triangle / seat post area) start to put the bike in and rest the back wheel on the roller. Then slide the bike in, the back half rolls on the roller and you only need to hold the front end. Then I have a quick tie of the back wheel to the headrest of the passenger seat and ensure the handlebars are at 90 degrees to the car because I have a front mudguard and it'll get squashed if the bars aren't at 90 degrees. If you send a msg to facebook user Jules Kayak I'll send a picture next time I put the bike in the car.
Sounds interesting this and also maybe a work of art at the same time. Follow me in insta electric mountain biker can send pic through that. I don't really accept on my own fb account I like to keep it seperate really 👍🏼
Great Video mate. I hope I dont have 14 months of hell with mine haha. The spider clutch and ewock tip is great and will have to tell my Pals about that as we Jet washed them off a couple of times and didnt cover them up
Haha so do I glad I did now though finally got the bike I wanted 👍🏼 Yeh got to be careful really of parts, I just learnt as I went along amd joined forums soecific to the bike and brand. Loads of useful tips, would say join some and read through the comments, will get real world advice then 👍🏼
I appreciate your pain. I had a leading brands motorcycle which was the best in class however suffered from multiple warranty claims. A real punish. However 12 months of ownership with the RM Altitude PP without a single issue. 4000kms plenty of pressure washing action and only joy. Like you I have ridden a dozen competitors emtb and would not swap it for anything
It is the worst when you know you have a bad egg, but it was knowing what it could be that kept me going. Mate you have got yourself a stunning bike, we are in the minority when it comes to ebike brands but what am absolute gem it is 👍🏼 Hope you keep getting out and loving it ⚡ thank you for watching amd commenting, I appreciate it as all views help my channel 👍🏼 have a great festive period.
Nice, I wanted the A70 to be honest but they had sold out, got a good price on the C70 though so worked out well I guess. Bet you are proper loving it 👍🏼 The water bottle cage, unsure as bike shop fitted it and there is no brand on it. First one never fit, I also believe Rocky Mountain do have a bottle cage adapter as well though that might help.
Hey, sorry to bother: Are those lids actual carbon fibre? I just bought myself an "Instinct 50" and am thinking if or how I can change the appearance of the ugly black plastic covers!
No bother at all mate, as I went through the same. Covers are the original ones I got them wrapped by a company so basically a vinyl covering. Much better than big plain cover 👍🏼
@@ElectricMountainBiker ahhhh you got me all nostalgic now. I rode fully rigid for about 18 months before splashing out on a manitou 3 fork back in the day. I managed to cope in the lakes without any suspension. Then again I was about 21 years old 😜
I’m in the market in 2022 for an EMB. Sounds like the Rocky Mt Powerplay is a real contender. I like the characteristics of the drivetrain, however all the issues you needed to replace makes me question if the reliability for that amount of cash should turn me away? The giant Trance is sort of my top choice for now, internet research is cheap and that’s were I am for 2021.
So hard choosing the right ebike, went through that myself as well. I got unlucky with my bike, was partly due to lack of knowledge potentially ofnthenissie by the bike shop I used. Once I approached another one it was fixed straight away. Honestly though bang for buck the Giant would win, for actual feeling of riding rocky wins for me. The motor is unlike anything out there on the market for natural feeling and responsiveness. The 2022 model sounds amazing as well, loads has changed, that much so I am looking at selling mine to get the 2022 model. It is amazing what they have updated ⚡👍🏼
@@ElectricMountainBiker hey thanks for your response! I’m a lifelong dirt rider, made my first klunker in 1966 when I was 10, 53 years later I’m headed for an EMB after too many years of being disappointed with the trails I can find in upstate NY on dual sport motorcycles of which I have had 6. I have dusted off my 1999 schwinn Moab 3 and been falling back in love with trail riding only to discover that I’m not 50 anymore….shit. I can see that the EMB platform is the best of worlds for someone who is made to explore where the noise of a motorcycle and the weight says NO, and hiking is not enough excitement, the bike is just as incredible as it was back in 66 on my Columbia one speed. Cheers!
No problem at all, I was against ebikes at first typical blinkered vision by myself. Then I tried one and it just clicked, never had as big a smile after a bieknride than that first full day on am ebike. Cost is the biggest issue, the new rocky I want is over £10k which is just crazy. Thing is I will fond a way to justify that purchase, neber liked my car anyway 🤣 Sounds like you really have a good history on bikes as well, might need to see a few if going for the Rocky. Best bet demo days, I did loads before deciding. Gave up asking on Facebook as everyone thinks theirs is the best, which it is or them, but wasn't for me. Just wish I preferred a cheaper brand now 🤣
Not sure if you know, but if you open the Ebikemotion app and then quickly press the power button on the bike, the bike speaks the battery percentage on the app.
Yep did this as well, but at times could not hear it as phone in bag. Have the fenix 6 gsrmin watch and honestly amazing for battery level quick glance and can see exactly what I have left and mode I am in 👍🏼 Prefer visual over sound, so went with this. Not a fan of the ebike motion app, not sure many are really. Maps on it and recording activities has never worked for me, even after downloading the maps a few times. Shame really, as could be so much better as in stable to use.
@@ElectricMountainBiker I used to use it and have it in my front pocket. Now Iv got an overtime pack I just have the bike in ludicrous for the whole ride. As with that pack fitted it’s good for pretty much any ride, as it lasts forever.
Cracking review buddy 😎👍 As much as I love my Bird 🦅 do think I’ll get fed up of climbing that bastard Wrekin all my the time (at least twice a week at moment lol) so definitely eyeing up some motor assistance in the near future 😬 Will have to see if I can try a Rocky Mountain since feedback like yours really helps!
Yeh the Wrekin climb up via the track is a doddle mate, but when having to push up a trail not so great 🤣 When doing your demos, save the Rocky til last can hire from zerobikes for a demo. You will then fully understand what makes them unique. Cost a fortune though 😭
@@ElectricMountainBiker haha don’t like it when I have to resort to pushing mine which is around 14kg so at 23kg can imagine you get a sweat on 😂 Nice one thanks for the info mate can’t wait until I get the chance to start looking properly!
Not had issues with my spider clutch. Have you got the gen 2 iwok or gen 3 ?. As I had the gen 1 originally and it got replaced as died the first time I washed it. Gen 2 has been fine though. When I got it back though I did go round all the seams and cable entries with silicone. When you re calibrate the torque sensor make sure it’s in the largest gear on the back and your foot isn’t on the pedals.
2 gen 2 iwoc and been on gen 3 for a little while now. Iwoc has been good so far since the updated version. Yep said in video it needs to be the largest cog for recalibration 👍🏼 like I mentioned I got a duck egg basically as would never expect anyone to have the various issues I have all at once.
@@ElectricMountainBiker yer the newer one is vastly better. I saw people on the Rocky Facebook group saying it died during riding it in the rain on the first gen iWok. Mine died washing the bike with a sponge and bucket 🤣
@@ElectricMountainBiker it’s stupid design, Iv opened them up and they are totally unprotected inside. The newer ones are filled with silicone grease though and have some cable protection now.
Great review, they are a cracking bike, I have a C90 and its mint! Motor covers look great, how are they holding up? Was always a bit of an unknown wrapping them.
I have serious jealousy already, the C90 is just incredible! Yeh the wraps turned out really well, so far all good but will really know after the winter. Plus, at £30 total not overly pricey if it does come off. Glad you liked the review as well, was hard as did not want to come across as a know it more instead to try and share what I have learnt, by myself and also from others 👍🏼
@@ElectricMountainBiker Its a cracking bike, Ive made a few changes like the X2 and saint brakes etc etc. If you ever get chance to ride over at FOD let me know, be good to meet up.
Will do mate, try and get down at least once a year as have a mate that lives in Bristol. Normally do the FOD off piste and also Risca which is crazy time 🤣 will try and remember to let you know but won't be on purpose if I forget as bad for things like that 😳 Some nice upgrades on your bike, hope to coil on the back myself also.
Was actually hoping to go buy one in the next couple of months. I currently have a Scott but i wanted something that climbed better and more of that real feel. Never had any problems with my Scott and I’ve had it for 2 years. Kinda scared to buy a Rocky Mountain now haha. Do you know if they fixed these issues for the 2021 model instinct power play?
Much better iwoc now for sure, spider clutch is still a real weak point but can protect it using the grease as a barrier, also has a 1 year warranty on it 👍🏼. Like I mentioned in the video, I do feel I just got a bad egg, since all the issues fixed no problems whatsoever and if possible love the bike even more 😀 I do recommend using a garmin device that supports the ebike field as get a true measure of battery remaining 👍🏼I use the fenix 6 Pro
@@ElectricMountainBiker thank you! I occasionally ride in wetter conditions, i feel like with the looks and how the chain is going into a cover mud would get trapped inside. Have you had any issues with this? Anything to keep this from happening? Sorry just trying to make sure the Rocky Mountain is the one for me!
No worries if I can help out more than happy to as it is a load of money to spend so need to be sure 👍🏼 Just before it goes into the cover there is a chain guide which does a good job of clearing it of chain. However, yep you still get a load in there from wet conditions. In fairness I ride mostly wet conditions and not a problem, you must check it after every ride and clear it when needed.
Hi I’ve just had a demo on the altitude power play the noise on the motor is quite loud is this normal apart from that the bike is unbelievable at handling
The noise just quieten a lot, on my recent videos can really hear mine. Reason is usually I forgot to oil chain before ride. Makes a massive difference 👍🏼 I love how my bike handles, you will fall in love as well. Only advice, wait for 2022 model, otherwise you will regret it
I had a torque sensor error and I was able to recalibrate. However the motor doesn't turn on. The only thing that works is walk mode. Do I need to reboot something else?
When my torque sensor arm failed, it was due to it being slightly twisted so needed a new one. When that was failing my motor would only engage intermittently. My advice would be get it back your dealer and get them to check it over, as the error code (33 I think) can also be the speed sensor. Try giving that a clean and if it fails take back to shop. Better safe than sorry is what I learned.
Cheers mate, hate doing these type of videos as in reality I am clueless on the mechanics of bike compared to others 🤷🏻♂️😁 Just working on riding video next, Hebden Bridge, that place is crazy! Right up your street
Will do eventually, does look good what you ride over there as well 👍🏼 will get a ride sorted out early next year. Crazy already saying next year or what!
@@ElectricMountainBiker and that's my beast 😁 instagram.com/p/CI7bqOzBrZY/?igshid=m8gceotwmu4z. Of course rocky mountain is my dream bike 🙂Happy Christmas😁
@@pawelodz8050 mate any bike is a good bike, your one is really good. A mate has one of these that I ride with, in the burnt orange colour bloody great bike 🤙🏼 He upgraded the disc rotors amd put new better rubber on and is now spot on. Ebikes are just brilliant ⚡
The only good thing going for it is the total maximum weight it handles. All those cogs look like too much to clean & too much to go wrong. Why the hell would you use a press fit bottom bracket?!??
Obviously I am going to disagree with you fully on this, but sure you also understand why as well? The cogs do take some extra cleaning, but in reality that translates as an extra 5 mins on the cleaning. But by having these extra cogs and the torque sensor results in having one of, if not the best motors on the market for feel. Instant delivery of power and in a controlled manner, marry that up to a bike with the same geometry as its none motor version certainly provides you with a fantastic handling ebike. I tried cube, a very neutral ride no life to it, trek powerfly just monster trucked it ways through, did not feel like you were actually riding the bike. But it is also personnel preference, and what you want from your bike. No idea though about the bottom bracket, I am certainly not technical gifted to answer that 🤣 Cheers for the comment though, always good having an opposite thought 👍🏼
@@ElectricMountainBiker too many reviewed cons with this bike, shame because maximum weight limit best in business and what the heavy riders are after.
Actually, going downhill is more hard work & body English on the e-bike to be fair! Imagine that you got to manoeuvre 1.5 bike worth of weight through corners...a significant workout to go fast!
Well we will find out, as yes there is more more weight to it for sure but it is also a lot more stable less skitting around downhill, which translates to holding better lines. I am not the fittest of people as you can see yet I am no more knackered at the end of the run 👍🏼 Where you slow down on exiting a corner, on an ebike you can use the power to very quickly get straight back up to speed. Cannot wait though for their rides on it, sure there will be smiles at least
🤣 it was at first with all the issues, now, finally it works 👍🏼 Anyway you won't ever see any faults on yours with all this night riding 😁 hope your mate is on the mend now as well more importantly 👍🏼
@@ElectricMountainBiker was looking at getting the 2022 Rocky Mountain Instinct BC Editiond. But for £6500-£7800 it should be perfect . Wouldn't be happy if its no good in the good British weather .
Cracking review mate, it’s about time you did one 😁👍🏻 I accept the challenge to take it out, looking forward to it 👍🏻 as for the stickers, you only need a GCSE 😂, enjoyed that 😁👍🏻👊
Haha they get us all those stickers, ah need a GSCE that is where I struggle lol.
Nice one, thought you would not turn down a challenge cannot wait to see itnas well 🤙🏼
I bought a brand new 2019 A50 Altitude powerplay back in August of this year and It has not missed a beat. Over 800 miles on it and not had a single problem that wasn't caused by me...speed sensor cut by the brake rotor when a stick got wedged in the drivetrain! $30 replacement part. I wash it every other ride and have not had any of the water proof issues. I have upgraded just about every component to top spec. If there was an A90 rally edition...this would be it! Cannot say enough about how good this is. The only negative that I have is that it is a beast to pedal when your battery goes flat!
Nice, and also imagine very nice not having the pain I did in first 14 months 🤣
But that is also a testament to how much I believed in the bike as knew it was the best. I just got unlucky with this one. However as mentioned it has also not missed a heart beat since all fixed and is the ebike I wanted when purchasing it 👍🏼
Your bike sounds good and certainly A90 worthy by sounds of it! They are so good aren't they, let you have that unique feeling as well as not as many around really. Thanks for watching ⚡
Thanks for this review. I was on the fence about this bike but this review helped me realize to just pull the trigger and go get one.
You won't regret it 👍🏼 also little advice, wait for the new 2022 model, or even get a deposit on a pre order, should be a stunning bit of kit! Will be announced soon I hope as well ⚡👍🏼
Great review. Admire your honesty. Good to highlight the bad as well as the good. And also about yourself and your capabilities. There is a lot of cynicism out there on ebikes, but love the way you just emphasize what a great bike this is and ultimately what pleasure it gives you. Fair play - good for you. Look fwd to seeing Marks review on it, be fascinating to see his thoughts on it - All the best Adam 👍
Thanks Adam, yeh never comfortable being in front of camera but had to get it done 🤣
Glad you enjoyed it, had to to make sure I captured the negative points along with the work around as such which I have either been told or learnt so others can benefit from it as well.
Really hard to not come across as a I know everything as I clearly don't, but instead what this bike is to me at my level.
Tell you what cannot wait to see both Marc and Jasons videos, such different riders to myself I think it will be a real treat for the viewers. Thanks for the kind support as well 🤙🏼 all best Christian
Nice honest review man. Never really thought about how much issues an ebike could have especially with the wildly wet conditions we always tend to see you riding through. Makes a lot of sense though. Thanks for the good info bud
When they go wrong, they proper go wrong 🤣 as I found out, since all the replacements amd my better knowledge though has run like a dream ever since even in the awful weather 👍🏼 made me fall back in love with it.
Glad you liked the review mate, and hopefully my being honest can help others if ever needed or at least help prevent some of the same issues I experienced 👍🏼
Im fat and I dont care either IVE NEVER RIDDEN AS MUCH AS I DO NOW> Subbed.
🤣 welcome to the club ⚡ totally the same as you mate, never ridden as much before in my life and with a smile. Benefit progressed my skills loads because of the ebike can just keep smashing out lap after lap or big adventure rides.
Glad you're loving yours 👍🏼
Great review mate. Glad you had good support from your dealer. Good dealers are even more important for e-bikes, because of the increased potential for issues compared to acoustic bikes. I've been trying to sort out problems with my old e-bike since March after the dealer stopped stocking the brand. So far, I'm onto my third dealer after getting ripped off by the second one I went to! Got the bike back last week, and guess what, it still doesn't work!
So true, think the hardest pill to swallow was that it never worked correctly from day one and then took 14 months to fix fully. Just figured if I could share some of the learnings it might help others not have to go through that pain themselves. Thing isnwe never get told these hacks so have to learn about them from different forums.
Sounds like you are having a nightmare as well, would be good of you share your learnings once it is fixed. Really hope they resolve it soon as well for you!
Good after sales support is crucial, that is the main reason I did not want to purchase an ebike online. I wanted a person I could see face to face.
Cheers for watching and glad you liked it 👍🏼
Absolutely amazing review. Loved how you explained everything about it so well. Keep progression on this beast buddy
Cheers mate, glad you liked it was not easy putting this together being infront of camera I am never a fan of 🙄 will try my best to ensure the progression continues ⚡
@@ElectricMountainBiker awesome job mate
Great review mate and yeah, I am up for it but it'll be up in the Lakes rather than Eastridge, and you're coming too & riding my Orange down 👍
I will be kind and push/carry the eBike up if I am riding it down 😃
Hang on, how did I just get roped in to your challenge 🤣 however all you needed to say was the Lakes so I am in 😃
@@ElectricMountainBiker Because it's the Lakes and it's bloody ace. It's not a challenge, just a ride down a lovely, technical trail. 😂
🤣🤣 I know what your lovely trails include! Naughty and interesting bits haha
Thanks for the Review! I also had to change a lot at the same bike in the past 2,5 years like akku, motor, iwoc and just yesterday my torque arm broke. But I still love this bike so much! :-) I didn't understand: How do you make the walking mode faster?
Same here, even with the issues at the start would not swap this bike for another one, well not yet anyway.
To get the walk mode faster change gear and put in a higher one.
Speed is dependent on the gear you have your bike in when activating walk mode 👍🏼 if in easy gear will go really slow.
Great review! Thanks Christian for sharing in eBike Smile eMTB Community fb group
Always a pleasure Jay 👍🏼
Also, anyone looking for a friendly, useful Facebook group Jay runs the one in link below. Pop over and have a look 👍🏼
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@@ElectricMountainBiker Cheers! Everyone welcome!
@@jaybrightwater4055 already joined, even though i don't have an ebike, well, i have christian's 😂
Ha, got a 2018 Altitude C70 and pretty much feel exactly the same way as you! pain in my ass with everything failing at first, but now that I've got it dialled, I am left with the best e-bike ever. I'd love to try a current Kenevo to compare. From what I can tell all the other e-mtb are also having lots of motor and water issues.
Crazy isn't it as normally would have just got money back, but like you knew just how good the bike is when working so kept with it. Glad I did as well 😃
Would like to try the kenevo as well, but honestly if there was one bike I really want to try is the new Kelly's Theos F90. That bike looks amazing 😍 not as good as ours of course though 🤣
@@ElectricMountainBiker absolutely! I've also got to say rocky mountain went way above and beyond with the bike warranty!
They were spot on with me as well, took a while but got there eventually 👍🏼
Brilliant review, and bike 👍i love a rocky, I had a 2016 carbon Altitude 730 mls which was my first full sus, brilliant bike sold it recently and missing it already. The idea was to sell the rocky and my dh rig and get a inbetweener endro but covid means I can't get a bike(nomad) until the new year. Since been looking at the slayer and even the new Altitude c90 rally 🤷♂️ stressful choosing a bike 😂. Enjoyed the vid 👍 look forward to jasons and marcs run on it 👊
That new slayer 😍 it is one of the few bikes which I would purchase that is a none ebike it is bloody lovely! Would have gone for the C90 Powerplay but struggled to justify cost of the C70 🤣
I really cannot want to see two proper riders have a go on it as well, even of they come out slower I hope they still both have a big grin just from the climbing as I do. Thanks for watching and glad you liked it as well, not easy doing a review video without trying to come across as a know it all, just wanted viewers to have an honest opinion of my likes, dislikes and hopefully some advice which will help them 🤙🏼
Chalk and cheese?... Lol that a new one for me. Never heard it.
Wow, this is wild, I haven't had any of those problems you talked about. I wonder what the difference is. Oh I don't wash it with a pressure washer, just garden hose pressure
Heard of other riders with iwoc issues, and all listed but not all on one bike 😭 my theory is I got really unlucky, like you I wash this bike with so much care and prior to the issues. What kept me going was I knew what an incredible bike it is and was going to get it fixed one way or another 🤣
@@ElectricMountainBiker awesome, glad your still loving the bike, I feel the same, it handles sooooo good!
Keep up the vids dude.
.....loved your review mate....very honest and the sort of review anyone thinking about taking the plunge in getting “ bummed” out of their hard earned cash for these vastly overpriced toys ....I can testify to this with the Levo .....Brilliant bike....but very basic components . I’m really sorry you had so many early gremlins....thank goodness for warranty ! ...oh yea....you best get Marc to give you a 4 grand bond before he has it.....cos after he’s been around the peaks.....you ain’t getting it back lol 😂 can’t wait for 2021....and we can do our own comparison video
Cheers mate, glad you liked it and hopefully gives a bigger over view of it, but also some useful advice to help prevent anyone esle having some similar issues.
Haha reckon you are right about the bond from Marc 🤣
Once you are healed we will be getting out, and for sure a head to head will follow. Be a great comparison, the giant of specialised versus the small brand. Will be interesting to see how they get on 👍🏼👍🏼
Glad you passed on my tips on the spyder and iWoc 👍🏻
Mate it helped me out massively! Has to be shared around, hope you enjoyed the review as well?
@@ElectricMountainBiker welcome bud, keep up the good work with the videos.
Keep those tips coming anything that helps us if fantastic in my eyes, I have learnt so much from the Facebook groups I am in, saved me a few times now 👍🏼👍🏼
Great review, lots of good hacks in there, maybe don't do your tec-talk road side😀
Seems like they need to lift there water proofing game a little , quite a few brands have problems in this area, it's a mtb it's going to get wet and muddy , for the price we pay a little more thought on these small items would go a long way. What happened to motor and battery? Was everything fixed under warranty?
They are a slick machine, I'd love to own one but they are pretty pricey here in NZ(probably on par with specialized) also almost impossible to get like many brands at the moment.
Glade you are enjoying it.
Shane
Yeh thought that afterwards by a road was not great 🤣
They really do, the controller being such a crucial part has to be totally waterproof, to the point even if it was submerged it still works.
We pay a load of money for the bikes so should not be getting such a simple thing wrong.
Fortunately everything was replaced under warranty, the battery and motor were replaced, in my opinion because they were unsure what was actually wrong with the bike and figured it could cure it.
The UK distributor actually called me in the end to apologise and ensure everything was sorted for me, which eventually along with the bike shop they did 👍🏼
Yeh these are not cheap, I actually added in a clip where I say the crazy thing is this bike is worth more than my car which is also true. However road traffic decided to interfere with that clip haha.
They sell out really quickly when they come in stock in the UK as well.
Thank you for your comment and really glad you liked it 👍🏼
Great review! Glad you were totally honest about. It is a beautiful bike!
Always mate, only way is to be honest so others get the full picture 👍🏼 cheers as well, was hard doing a review video without coming across like a Womble, and you know I agree about the looks ⚡😍😎
Appreciating the problem of how to get an EMTB into an estate car. Can't see how to attach a picture here so will have to describe. I have a roller made from 6 inch plastic drainage pipe, wrapped in a bit of old carpet. It's about 90cm long. A length of plastic rope about 6mm diameter forms a loop going through the roller. Put the loop over one of the front headrests. The tube is then parallel to the front seats and about somewhat less than one metre in from the back of the car. Take off the front wheel of the EMTB and holding horizontally on a balance point (one hand top of forks the other top of the rear triangle / seat post area) start to put the bike in and rest the back wheel on the roller. Then slide the bike in, the back half rolls on the roller and you only need to hold the front end. Then I have a quick tie of the back wheel to the headrest of the passenger seat and ensure the handlebars are at 90 degrees to the car because I have a front mudguard and it'll get squashed if the bars aren't at 90 degrees. If you send a msg to facebook user Jules Kayak I'll send a picture next time I put the bike in the car.
Sounds interesting this and also maybe a work of art at the same time. Follow me in insta electric mountain biker can send pic through that. I don't really accept on my own fb account I like to keep it seperate really 👍🏼
Great Video mate. I hope I dont have 14 months of hell with mine haha. The spider clutch and ewock tip is great and will have to tell my Pals about that as we Jet washed them off a couple of times and didnt cover them up
Haha so do I glad I did now though finally got the bike I wanted 👍🏼
Yeh got to be careful really of parts, I just learnt as I went along amd joined forums soecific to the bike and brand. Loads of useful tips, would say join some and read through the comments, will get real world advice then 👍🏼
I appreciate your pain. I had a leading brands motorcycle which was the best in class however suffered from multiple warranty claims. A real punish. However 12 months of ownership with the RM Altitude PP without a single issue. 4000kms plenty of pressure washing action and only joy. Like you I have ridden a dozen competitors emtb and would not swap it for anything
It is the worst when you know you have a bad egg, but it was knowing what it could be that kept me going.
Mate you have got yourself a stunning bike, we are in the minority when it comes to ebike brands but what am absolute gem it is 👍🏼
Hope you keep getting out and loving it ⚡ thank you for watching amd commenting, I appreciate it as all views help my channel 👍🏼 have a great festive period.
Nice review mate! Absolute beast of a bike 🤙
Cheers mate, bloody love this bike ⚡🤙🏼
Hey, I have the A70 a really love it so far! What is the bottle cage you have there? Seems like a nice fit
Nice, I wanted the A70 to be honest but they had sold out, got a good price on the C70 though so worked out well I guess. Bet you are proper loving it 👍🏼
The water bottle cage, unsure as bike shop fitted it and there is no brand on it. First one never fit, I also believe Rocky Mountain do have a bottle cage adapter as well though that might help.
Hey, sorry to bother: Are those lids actual carbon fibre? I just bought myself an "Instinct 50" and am thinking if or how I can change the appearance of the ugly black plastic covers!
No bother at all mate, as I went through the same. Covers are the original ones I got them wrapped by a company so basically a vinyl covering. Much better than big plain cover 👍🏼
A really good review enjoyed it. No plans for an Ebike thiugh.... In fact I might buy a hardtail next based on current issues 😜
Cheers mate, I would suggest a full rigid for you currently though!
@@ElectricMountainBiker ahhhh you got me all nostalgic now. I rode fully rigid for about 18 months before splashing out on a manitou 3 fork back in the day. I managed to cope in the lakes without any suspension. Then again I was about 21 years old 😜
@@MTB_Derbyshire think we all coped better at that age. Imagine going back on one now 😳 be a laugh as well I reckon 🤣
@@ElectricMountainBiker it would probably break me 😂😂
Break all of us apart from Jason 🤣
I’m in the market in 2022 for an EMB. Sounds like the Rocky Mt Powerplay is a real contender. I like the characteristics of the drivetrain, however all the issues you needed to replace makes me question if the reliability for that amount of cash should turn me away? The giant Trance is sort of my top choice for now, internet research is cheap and that’s were I am for 2021.
So hard choosing the right ebike, went through that myself as well.
I got unlucky with my bike, was partly due to lack of knowledge potentially ofnthenissie by the bike shop I used. Once I approached another one it was fixed straight away.
Honestly though bang for buck the Giant would win, for actual feeling of riding rocky wins for me.
The motor is unlike anything out there on the market for natural feeling and responsiveness. The 2022 model sounds amazing as well, loads has changed, that much so I am looking at selling mine to get the 2022 model. It is amazing what they have updated ⚡👍🏼
@@ElectricMountainBiker hey thanks for your response! I’m a lifelong dirt rider, made my first klunker in 1966 when I was 10, 53 years later I’m headed for an EMB after too many years of being disappointed with the trails I can find in upstate NY on dual sport motorcycles of which I have had 6. I have dusted off my 1999 schwinn Moab 3 and been falling back in love with trail riding only to discover that I’m not 50 anymore….shit. I can see that the EMB platform is the best of worlds for someone who is made to explore where the noise of a motorcycle and the weight says NO, and hiking is not enough excitement, the bike is just as incredible as it was back in 66 on my Columbia one speed. Cheers!
No problem at all, I was against ebikes at first typical blinkered vision by myself. Then I tried one and it just clicked, never had as big a smile after a bieknride than that first full day on am ebike.
Cost is the biggest issue, the new rocky I want is over £10k which is just crazy.
Thing is I will fond a way to justify that purchase, neber liked my car anyway 🤣
Sounds like you really have a good history on bikes as well, might need to see a few if going for the Rocky. Best bet demo days, I did loads before deciding. Gave up asking on Facebook as everyone thinks theirs is the best, which it is or them, but wasn't for me.
Just wish I preferred a cheaper brand now 🤣
Not sure if you know, but if you open the Ebikemotion app and then quickly press the power button on the bike, the bike speaks the battery percentage on the app.
Yep did this as well, but at times could not hear it as phone in bag. Have the fenix 6 gsrmin watch and honestly amazing for battery level quick glance and can see exactly what I have left and mode I am in 👍🏼
Prefer visual over sound, so went with this. Not a fan of the ebike motion app, not sure many are really. Maps on it and recording activities has never worked for me, even after downloading the maps a few times. Shame really, as could be so much better as in stable to use.
@@ElectricMountainBiker I used to use it and have it in my front pocket. Now Iv got an overtime pack I just have the bike in ludicrous for the whole ride. As with that pack fitted it’s good for pretty much any ride, as it lasts forever.
Jammy sod 🤣 I am still in poor mode with no overtime pack currently lol
@@ElectricMountainBiker lol it’s definitely worth it, can’t tell it’s there either other than why picking up the bike
Great look at the bike Mate. 👍
Cheers fella 👍🏼
Cracking review buddy 😎👍 As much as I love my Bird 🦅 do think I’ll get fed up of climbing that bastard Wrekin all my the time (at least twice a week at moment lol) so definitely eyeing up some motor assistance in the near future 😬 Will have to see if I can try a Rocky Mountain since feedback like yours really helps!
Yeh the Wrekin climb up via the track is a doddle mate, but when having to push up a trail not so great 🤣
When doing your demos, save the Rocky til last can hire from zerobikes for a demo.
You will then fully understand what makes them unique. Cost a fortune though 😭
@@ElectricMountainBiker haha don’t like it when I have to resort to pushing mine which is around 14kg so at 23kg can imagine you get a sweat on 😂 Nice one thanks for the info mate can’t wait until I get the chance to start looking properly!
Not had issues with my spider clutch. Have you got the gen 2 iwok or gen 3 ?. As I had the gen 1 originally and it got replaced as died the first time I washed it. Gen 2 has been fine though. When I got it back though I did go round all the seams and cable entries with silicone.
When you re calibrate the torque sensor make sure it’s in the largest gear on the back and your foot isn’t on the pedals.
2 gen 2 iwoc and been on gen 3 for a little while now. Iwoc has been good so far since the updated version. Yep said in video it needs to be the largest cog for recalibration 👍🏼 like I mentioned I got a duck egg basically as would never expect anyone to have the various issues I have all at once.
@@ElectricMountainBiker yer the newer one is vastly better. I saw people on the Rocky Facebook group saying it died during riding it in the rain on the first gen iWok. Mine died washing the bike with a sponge and bucket 🤣
@@tastytechaddictsmtb same here, just rolled over like a dunked rich tea biscuit 🤣
@@ElectricMountainBiker it’s stupid design, Iv opened them up and they are totally unprotected inside. The newer ones are filled with silicone grease though and have some cable protection now.
How much!?! Sick rig tho, will keep an eye out for the other lads flying around on it!
Cheers mate, yeh cost of these are crazy but still so much fun. Marc has been out so his video will be coming very soon 👍🏼
Great review, they are a cracking bike, I have a C90 and its mint! Motor covers look great, how are they holding up? Was always a bit of an unknown wrapping them.
I have serious jealousy already, the C90 is just incredible! Yeh the wraps turned out really well, so far all good but will really know after the winter. Plus, at £30 total not overly pricey if it does come off. Glad you liked the review as well, was hard as did not want to come across as a know it more instead to try and share what I have learnt, by myself and also from others 👍🏼
@@ElectricMountainBiker Its a cracking bike, Ive made a few changes like the X2 and saint brakes etc etc. If you ever get chance to ride over at FOD let me know, be good to meet up.
Will do mate, try and get down at least once a year as have a mate that lives in Bristol. Normally do the FOD off piste and also Risca which is crazy time 🤣 will try and remember to let you know but won't be on purpose if I forget as bad for things like that 😳
Some nice upgrades on your bike, hope to coil on the back myself also.
Was actually hoping to go buy one in the next couple of months. I currently have a Scott but i wanted something that climbed better and more of that real feel. Never had any problems with my Scott and I’ve had it for 2 years. Kinda scared to buy a Rocky Mountain now haha. Do you know if they fixed these issues for the 2021 model instinct power play?
Much better iwoc now for sure, spider clutch is still a real weak point but can protect it using the grease as a barrier, also has a 1 year warranty on it 👍🏼.
Like I mentioned in the video, I do feel I just got a bad egg, since all the issues fixed no problems whatsoever and if possible love the bike even more 😀
I do recommend using a garmin device that supports the ebike field as get a true measure of battery remaining 👍🏼I use the fenix 6 Pro
@@ElectricMountainBiker thank you! I occasionally ride in wetter conditions, i feel like with the looks and how the chain is going into a cover mud would get trapped inside. Have you had any issues with this? Anything to keep this from happening? Sorry just trying to make sure the Rocky Mountain is the one for me!
No worries if I can help out more than happy to as it is a load of money to spend so need to be sure 👍🏼
Just before it goes into the cover there is a chain guide which does a good job of clearing it of chain. However, yep you still get a load in there from wet conditions. In fairness I ride mostly wet conditions and not a problem, you must check it after every ride and clear it when needed.
Forgot to ask, are you UK based? If you are I cannot recommend Zerobikes enough to buy it from. Incredible team and after service second to none 👍🏼
Hi I’ve just had a demo on the altitude power play the noise on the motor is quite loud is this normal apart from that the bike is unbelievable at handling
The noise just quieten a lot, on my recent videos can really hear mine. Reason is usually I forgot to oil chain before ride. Makes a massive difference 👍🏼
I love how my bike handles, you will fall in love as well. Only advice, wait for 2022 model, otherwise you will regret it
I had a torque sensor error and I was able to recalibrate. However the motor doesn't turn on. The only thing that works is walk mode. Do I need to reboot something else?
When my torque sensor arm failed, it was due to it being slightly twisted so needed a new one. When that was failing my motor would only engage intermittently.
My advice would be get it back your dealer and get them to check it over, as the error code (33 I think) can also be the speed sensor. Try giving that a clean and if it fails take back to shop. Better safe than sorry is what I learned.
Not gunna lie loved the vid lol. Subscribed to the others too 🤘
Cheers mate, hate doing these type of videos as in reality I am clueless on the mechanics of bike compared to others 🤷🏻♂️😁
Just working on riding video next, Hebden Bridge, that place is crazy! Right up your street
Will have to take a look. Wouldn't be without my full fat bike now lol get over and I will take you down some cracking stuff int peaks 🤘🤘
Will do eventually, does look good what you ride over there as well 👍🏼 will get a ride sorted out early next year. Crazy already saying next year or what!
Not going to lie but that is a bloody good looking bike!
Thanks mate, and I fully agree 😃
@@ElectricMountainBiker modest as well eh 😉😂
Something has to look good, and it is not me on the bike or even me haha
@@ElectricMountainBiker that’s why I bought a decent looking bike 😂😂
@@TheNorthernRider same 🤣
The prettiest ebike on market
Totally agree 👍
@@ElectricMountainBiker and that's my beast 😁 instagram.com/p/CI7bqOzBrZY/?igshid=m8gceotwmu4z. Of course rocky mountain is my dream bike 🙂Happy Christmas😁
@@pawelodz8050 mate any bike is a good bike, your one is really good. A mate has one of these that I ride with, in the burnt orange colour bloody great bike 🤙🏼
He upgraded the disc rotors amd put new better rubber on and is now spot on. Ebikes are just brilliant ⚡
@@ElectricMountainBiker what I can say: "totally agree"😁😁😁
@@pawelodz8050 🤣🤙🏼
The only good thing going for it is the total maximum weight it handles. All those cogs look like too much to clean & too much to go wrong. Why the hell would you use a press fit bottom bracket?!??
Obviously I am going to disagree with you fully on this, but sure you also understand why as well?
The cogs do take some extra cleaning, but in reality that translates as an extra 5 mins on the cleaning. But by having these extra cogs and the torque sensor results in having one of, if not the best motors on the market for feel. Instant delivery of power and in a controlled manner, marry that up to a bike with the same geometry as its none motor version certainly provides you with a fantastic handling ebike. I tried cube, a very neutral ride no life to it, trek powerfly just monster trucked it ways through, did not feel like you were actually riding the bike.
But it is also personnel preference, and what you want from your bike.
No idea though about the bottom bracket, I am certainly not technical gifted to answer that 🤣
Cheers for the comment though, always good having an opposite thought 👍🏼
@@ElectricMountainBiker too many reviewed cons with this bike, shame because maximum weight limit best in business and what the heavy riders are after.
Never mind, but sure you will find one you like, new bikes coming out literally all the time 👍🏼
@@ElectricMountainBiker they simply aren’t out there yet.....
Actually, going downhill is more hard work & body English on the e-bike to be fair! Imagine that you got to manoeuvre 1.5 bike worth of weight through corners...a significant workout to go fast!
Well we will find out, as yes there is more more weight to it for sure but it is also a lot more stable less skitting around downhill, which translates to holding better lines. I am not the fittest of people as you can see yet I am no more knackered at the end of the run 👍🏼
Where you slow down on exiting a corner, on an ebike you can use the power to very quickly get straight back up to speed. Cannot wait though for their rides on it, sure there will be smiles at least
Seems alot of messing about. I thought my kenevo was hard to maintain. 😂
🤣 it was at first with all the issues, now, finally it works 👍🏼
Anyway you won't ever see any faults on yours with all this night riding 😁 hope your mate is on the mend now as well more importantly 👍🏼
Have you heard of many other people with similar issues that you experienced with the bike?
Not with the same amount I have had, but individually yes, the iwoc was the most common one.
he told me to sub with an awesome accent- so i 'ad to,
🤣 thank you
For the price of theses bikes its shocking its not 100% waterproof or safe to wash without cover it in plastic . Makes me not want to get one now .
Fully agree, the latest one I have so far has been good. However I have taken the top off the iwoc and applied some more grease just to be sure.
@@ElectricMountainBiker was looking at getting the 2022 Rocky Mountain Instinct BC Editiond. But for £6500-£7800 it should be perfect . Wouldn't be happy if its no good in the good British weather .
From what I have heard I would hang fire till 28th and see what they have done 👍🏼👍🏼
@@ElectricMountainBiker thanks for the heads up 👍
No worries 👍🏼
Buy a regular chain. E bike chain makes no difference whatsoever. Total scam.
Will try it on next one, as got the KMC ebike one amd just as bad tbh. Does seem to be a bit of con so far.