GPU PCB Breakdown: MSI RTX 3080 Gaming X Trio
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Gamers Nexus: can you go shorter?
Buildzoid: I am sure I could go longer, shorter? Ehhh
I am fine with a 35 min version on GN. I hate when they cut, cause it's so noticealbe
@@teaser6089 So ami but i sometimes miss a conclusion at the ending. I often watch them and like it but in the end i'm like: Now is this good compared to the other cards or is it bad.
@@teaser6089 Yeah, amazingly I don't think I hear any rambling (except the outtakes :P ) and like lots and lots of dense information.
Hold up, GN asked him for a shorter version.. when GN's videos are longer than everyone else's?
The irony!
When BZ said GN declined a 35 min take in the hopes for a shorter take...
I felt bz's soul leave his body throughout that sentence 🙃
GN loves to have a script and be tightly edited down so he can add one or two minutes of beginning and ending commercials and hit 32 minutes in his recent 3080 coverage. I think he's trying to get buildzoid to match their style rather than embrace the long one takes that include slight oops about mem voltage or education about control levels in a controller, for example. Probably worth doing to keep Steve happy and get paid. Maybe embrace a "cutting room floor" video that includes bloopers and errata.
Buildzoid post a video.
Me: click on it.
Me again: no plan to buy a 3080 at all.
Also me: Knows nothing about power delivery and card component.
Also also me: probably getting called “filthy casual” before the video ends.
37min Later: Good! Can’t wait for the next PCB breakdown!
Seems like most of buildzoids viewers got 0 clue about any of this stuff yet we watch it 😂
nice one!
Yeah it takes a while but they become pretty useful for the end consumer. Like i switched to an FX-8350 on sbt r2.0 because it was cheaper and with less trouble than my last build a rampage III ex
I think I hear you say "I have already taken several takes, I am not doing another one." In nearly every PCB breakdown.
there's a couple one shot wonder takes
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking ....i wonder why don't you edit the videos a bit when you run into a hickup?
for example that one bit where you noticed your notes had the wrong numbers, why not just pause there, correct the notes quickly and resume from there, you don't always need to start over, just make a little cut there, that wouldn't take long and no viewer would notice or care.
Doing it all in one take seems very time consuming when you have to re-do it.
Or is it more of a "losing your line of thought" thing?
No biggie either way, just curious because i fiddled a tiny little bit with editing in Vegas 13 for my dumb videos and simple stuff like a cut or fade-in and out isn't hard or time consuming at all, your process seems to be hit record, do your thing in one take, press stop and upload it (now that i think of it, i don't see any dumb 30 second dubstep intro / outro stuff, no overlays or any of that typical youtuber nonsense ...you know what, don't change anything :D ).
@@ZeroB4NG honestly at this point it's part of the charm to see all the weird things he stammers over in the one-take style
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking Do the Colourful Volcan OC 3080 PCB analysis it's the same board as 3080 Ti also. They use no pass through caps I'm interested to learn more about their design. They also have 22 phases for GPU and 4 for mem.
Looks like Buildzoid is telling me my bedtime story tonight!
These upload times ruin my sleep schedule, yet they are oddly soothing. keep em up!
"That's not the greatest 5 I've ever drawn but it's better than the other two"
Tell Steve at GN that we're perfectly happy to watch however long you end up making a video. Steve should not underestimate us.
make a breakdown for the TUF please!
28:42 , you are welcome.
They really had the courtesy to put up a reference design yet charging a premium pricetag huh
The premium price is the RGB ^^
Ha i checked the 2080 TI review for fun
ua-cam.com/video/V70f1Kx0QTU/v-deo.html
Same think. so where is the probleme in real? xd
@Ben T. Although it's much improved compared to the 2080 FE, it still runs hotter and louder than for example the Zotac or this MSI offering. I agree looks are fantastic.
@Ben T. The FE card is not a reference design. EK for instance, do not offer a block for it.
@@Carrinthe do you find the delta for temp and noise between FE and AIB makes up the price difference? If not that then what?
Looking forward for your 3080 strix PCB breakdown, just seen the der8auer sneak peak video and it looks great.
The Buildzoid PCB Breakdown Drinking Game:
1 Drink:
Somethings wrong in the notes
Suggests it might be a short video
2 Drinks:
Talks about how long the video is
3 Drinks:
"This is stupid"
Presses a random key in GIMP
4 Drinks:
"I've already done X takes and can't be bothered to do another"
5 Drinks:
Makes it seem like the video is about to end before realising there's something else to say
8 Drinks:
"Thank you for watching. Like, share, subscribe, leave any questions or suggestings down the comments section below. If you'd like to support what I do here with Actually Hardcore Overclocking I've got a Patreon, there's a link to that down in the description below. There's also the AHOC Teespring store where you can pick up stickers, posters, you know the usual UA-camr merch. Both the patreon and the Teespring store help out with the running of the channel immensely so if you check out the links that would be great."
TBF BuildZoid, I don't watch the video's for wanting to know what is on the cards, but for me I have learned a lot of things about how the power-stuffs(very technical terminology) and PCBs and it's very relaxing!
5:20 50mV drop on VMEM power plane means the memory chip draws ~200A(assuming 2oz cooper) . That can't be right :).
Derbauer send pictures of the Asus Strix 3080 to Buildzoid! Hope we have a video soon, since I got the Strix in preorder
This board layout should alleviate the 104C hotspot that Igor's Lab noted since the power components have been moved away from the memory ICs so that's a good thing.
I have the Gaming Trio X on back order, thank you for getting to this model quickly! Best PCB breakdowns on the interwebs. I bought my x570 Aorus Master based on your breakdowns :)
@Al Bonn Nah, I'm happy with what the video showed. I'm sad that he didn't elaborate on the 3x 8-pins, and exactly how much power each draws, but I don't know if you could even deduce that just from pictures, you'd probably need to have the card in-hand. MSI cards are the quietest, and that's what I'm all about.
Great review. Ended up getting exactly this card. I’m very satisfied
I find your PCB Breakdown videos very soothing. Thanks!
LOL, shifting the VRM instead of making changes to the heatsink design part was epic. Even MSI would consider themselves to be useless after watching this PCB breakdown video.
i'm always is a fan of MSI card because of their top notch cooling solution and solid build. But this's so disappointing, the TUF card got better pcb AND cooling, for $60 less
Cause asus mess up heavly with previous TUF product.
this card is used to restore their image. So the profit margin is lower.
There is no doubt that the MSRP price of TUF will increase over time.
and that for the * Super * version Asus TUF are going to be beautiful shit as usual.For a traditional Overpricing.
You can say anything about MSI but "top-notch cooling solution". Look at their 20X0 lineup lol.
@@_mike Only questionable thing maybe is their vrm cooling solution, seems like a miss-step...Other than that they are on-par or better than competitors in the same price range. And i love that their design is always efficient, 2 fans Gaming x/s design is comparable to most other 3 fans designs.
@@_mike whats wrong with their 20 series?
They at least have a baseplate and come on top most of the time.
Btw their lightning Z is the best out there
ASUS just has the best cards in general this time around if you're on air and using them out the box. On liquid it might be a different story. I expect EVGA to be stronger there.
Love what you do
you are so good at what you do thanks Mate
In the UK fuses are mainly used to save peoples lives and prevent fires. Not to protect the device. Other types of protection might be used for that.
was just able to snag this off newegg earlier. Not my first choice, of course - i had literally gone through three others (Asus TUF, EVGA, Gigabyte OC) where they were on my cart, but wouldn't check out. This was the last shot. But when I finished the process, i took a look at it and went: WHAT DO YOU MEAN THREE 8PIN POWER CONNECTORS?!? oh well, at least it's on it's way.... weirdly, it came up to only about $20 more than the TUF for me (maybe because of my country, i dunno)... thanks for covering this!
Asus tuf better cooling but louder vs a more silent card from msi pick your poison. I prefer silence over better cooling, 73c on load is stil pretty cool for the trio. Now to get one is another story lol.
The trio if you guys are wondering means 3 power inputs.
They don't make duo because it makes them look like zotac trinity.
Nice
So this is the flagship MSI 3080 offering. I would have expected a better power delivery and higher power limit than the founders edition. Instead we basically get an inferior reference design posing as a custom design coupled with a good cooling solution. Definitely not worth the premium over the Zotac that also runs quietly. I now have my hopes on the EVGA FTW for something better than reference design.
They will have at least one higher tier model.
Hi buildzoid! Great job on the video. I'm going to buy this card almost purely for looks lol. Do you think that it will work well with a custom vbios to increase the power limit?
I assume that with the 3 power cables it could deliver significantly more wattage. I'm thinking around 400w to start with.
Guess I'm early since ads are at the end. Thanks BZ! 😃
Asus seems to be the custom 3080 for the early version s
I want to see a breakdown of the 3090 strix
The suprim x pcb looks identical minus a few caps and vrm’s
Hope we can get a PCB breakdown of an EVGA 3080 FTW3 ultra at some point, can't find any PCB pics of them. I'm looking especially for rear shots on the bypass capacitors since lately they're make it or break it. Der8aur already showed a teardown of the Strix 3080 Asus so and I'm looking to get the FTW3 or that.
I was going to buy a 3080 as soon as I could get 1 but it looks like it's better to wait till they improve the build or at least go for the TUF or STIX after I see the breakdowns.
The fuses prevent a cascade effect so other things don't bow up before the power supply shot's down, a better way to explain it IMO.
You’re videos are amazing. Thank you!
Itching for you to do the EVGA FTW 3 Ultra!
Just put him on %110 speed and make some cuts
i think many of us would be super happy if you could check ASUS TUF 3080 as it looks the most promising of all that are currently out
Impatiently waiting for 3090 Gaming X Trio breakdown.
check out the TUF card from Asus. looks like it has better power delivery than the FE. (20 power stages)
I hope you gonna do Asus ROG Strix card as well?
Hey, I'm a PC only gamer, but I'm still wondering if you ever do reviews about consoles. I think the promised power of the PS5 and xBox Series X are very interesting (4K @ 120fps) and I would love to see a review of their custom designed PCBs from you.
He has a video called something like "rambling about rdna2" with a bunch of discussion of the Xbox PCB and its implications for the next generation of AMD cards. Not exactly a review or anything, but might be interesting if you're looking for at least some discussion of console PCBs?
ok to fit the videos for the requirements by GN: open XMedia Recode, add the video, set the codecs, go to Preview, add filter: Clip Speed, set clip to 1.1x, Add to Queue, Process. Done
:D
Thx for the video tho
yeah I've been telling steve to just speed me up instead of cutting the video but he's against it for some reason
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking I personally love the current style, it reminds me of when my EE colleagues get hype af explaining something that my feeble CS brain can almost comprehend
Waiting on the EVGA FTW3 pcb review :D. Great job
thanks for doing these breakdowns
You should look into the MSI Ventus X3 OC board ...... People are reporting crash problems with it and the Zotac card you analyzed earlier and it's got a real weird VRM layout with them all stacked on the far side of the board and the memory chips aren't nearly as close to the GPU as all the other 3080 board designs I have seen ..... I know you like interesting and this one to me is interesting since it is so much different than the others as well as it seems to be problematic
The TUF next pls!
they only put three 8 pin connectors on it for marketing purposes, guaranteed
They probably did, but most of the laymen think that having 3 pcie connectors means it draws more power than those with 2. The "extra power connector marketing BS" is far more prevalent on motherboards though.
It really annoyed the SFF community as most of our PSUs only have 2x8.
Well if their power limit is over 375w (not sure, didn't check cause I'm waiting for 3080ti/super), then it makes sense.
Nvidia thinks 8 pins can only do 150w each. So 75 from PCIe + 2 8 pins is 375W. So if you want more while playing by Nvidia's rules, add another connector
@@tarfeef_4268 even nvidia doesn't believe that, they have an adapter for two 8 pins to their 600w 12 pin that comes with their cards, it was a space limitation not a power delivery limitation
Please could you also review the Palit card PCB? I have one on backorder and would be very interested in seeing your opinion on that. These videos are very informative and educational! Love them.
First thing I saw were the 3 x PCIE 8 Pins, and my first thought was... why?
So you can flash a higher power bios to it and be able to get the benefit from pulling 450+ Watts
Nice video! In next video i'l like to see
ASUS TUF-RTX3080-10G-GAMING
ASUS TUF OC Board I think you will really like. Especially for the voltage reference points on the rear of the card, printed too. And the power hardware I think you will really like. More than any other 3080. I'm checking everyday for your video on the TUF OF. Please do soon as possible.
So basically what he said is I don't have to shunt mod this? Someone will develop a vbios mod for this card eventually? I manage to find 1 from a retailer :) want to oc it asap.
Btw thank you for sharing with us plebs your knowledge on real overclocking unlike most reviewers who just talk about the built in overclocking.
Breakdown of the EVGA FTW3 3090 Ultra Please!
Honestly, with how unpopulated a custom card is, I'm starting to see why Nvidia went with the short card on their 3080. I'm still curious to see the layout of other cards, but this one seems so barren in comparison to the FE, or even the Zotac card.
I almost want to see someone photoshop this card into a shorter card, just to see how feasibly small it can get, especially in comparison to the FE card.
Question re: 3x 8-pin power plugs. A) Can I only use 2x 8-pins? B) If I do, which are the 2x plugs that I should use on the PCB? (Which one is safest to leave empty, if any?) Thanks dude! Love your Channel :)))
From a power requirement standpoint you only need two 8-pins, but there is the possibility that the card requires you to plug all three in.
However if that's a concern for you I would strongly recommend getting a better PSU for your 3080 so that it doesn't kill your 3080.
Depending on your CPU I wouldn't go below 750W at all, above would be better and use the LTT PSU Tier List and get a PSU from the highest Tier. Everything less can't properly handle a 3080
@@pridedoggo Thanks for the reply. So I have a 750w Corsair AX750 (gold) which is more than capable. My problem is I have long ago thrown out the bag of extra cables, and I can't seem to find a factory replacement that has the same modular pin config (this PSU used 12 pins -> 2x 8-pin Pci.e). My backup plan is just running a 2x Molex -> 8-pin for the 3rd plug on the GPU, but I don't know if that would be better or worse than just going with 2x 8-pins. Really it's going to take someone familliar with the power delivery system of this card to know for certain, that's why I was hoping Buildzoid would have some insight.
@@Standard.Candle Someone else asked this in another comment and bz said the same thing. Theoretically it should work, but he doesn't know if MSI forces you to plug in all three ^^
Have you already got the Gaming X? If not I would just switch to another card, would be the easiest solution. If that's not an option I would look on ebay and such. If that's also not helping I would just try to plug in only two. And if that's still not working out I would just sell the AX750 and get a new PSU.
A Molex Adapter would work, as long as you don't run it out of spec which you would have to check, but it's not the solution that I would go for tbh.
@@pridedoggo Yeah, If it was going to mean me having to buy a whole new PSU then I'd cancel my pre-order. I don't have it yet, but I am confirmed on a list for Amazon. I really like the silent MSI cooling solutions, but the 3x 8-pins sketches me out. I wouldn't wanna run the 2x molex to 8-pin out-of-spec, but ideally I would know which of the 3x 8-pins are trying to draw the most juice. Or are they all evenly balanced 1/3 - 1/3- 1/3? The only other thing running on the molex cable string is an LED strip, so like less than 5w, so it SHOULD be fine. I wish i just knew which of the 3x power plugs to put the molex janky adapter into.
@@Standard.Candle Every 8-Pin should pull an equal amount of power.
What I mean with 'out of spec' is not overloading the 12V Rail, I mean melting your Molex Connector because you run to much current through it. I don't know how much it can handle, but you should definitely check that in advance
This card vs the zotac, which one is better (in terms of pcb and power layout etc) 🤔
Both arent great tbh...
Both sucks actually
@Al Bonn This is good advice
Reference Nvidia one is the best one atm, and to a close would be the ASUS TUF that has beem seem from reviews, specially Hardware unboxed.
Happy New Year! Wish you all the best! Thanks for your time making your analysis. Courios what do you think about the new version MSI 3090 SUPREM X
I think MSI really shot themselves in the foot with their choice of three 8-pin power connectors. I have a 750W PSU with only two 8 pin power connectors, so presumably I'd have to change my PSU were I to buy this card? From a marketing perspective, that will definitely limit the appeal of buying this card.
Right off the bat, it bothers me that this supposedly high end board has pads where they clearly just left out components. If they're charging a premium for this thing, would it really kill MSI to just include all of the phases they originally designed into the board?
Edit: I otherwise dig the layout, though. Looks like it'd be a lot easier to repair than the FE if broke.
Why is msi marketing this card as a high end model? Its so basic, makes me wonder about their lowest tier ventus model
Al Bonn their cards used to be really good, my gf still has 1070ti gaming which oc to like 2100mhz
@Ben T. I agree with you on that point.
I had a 970 ME (Limited Edition lol) card that I absolutely loved, it could run +250 core on air and still chill at 68C :D. Not to mention the green/black scheme which was boss.
Now I have a MSI 1660 Super Gaming X, and it still performs well but it is a budget card using budget components which is fine (I did unplug the RGBs since nothing else I own has them). Using budget cost saving on the high-end SKUs on the other hand is lame. Oh, how the mighty have fallen.
Release the 35 min cut of the Founder's Edition board review!
@Gamers Nexus
Looking forward to hopefully a Gigabyte Gaming OC and TUF breakdown next!
so in short this is the MSI Gaming Recycle EX-Trio, that is put together like a Studebaker.
lower power limit compared to FE = an extra 8 pin
B-)
Do you have board pics of the MSI - Geforce RTX 3080 VENTUS 3X 10G OC?
To ask buildzoid to make a video less than 30 min.... "We'll see"
Awesome video! Could you do the MSI RTX 3080 Ti Ventus?
a review of either of the ASUS TUF boards would be greatly appreciated; thank you.
What is red and black plug on the top ?
Waiting for Aorus Extreme variant analysis.. Really want to buy that
I need a evga xc3 breakdown . Its between that or founders for water-cooling in itx case. Sadly no one seems to post a teardown of the xc3
Half way thru and Im already NOT going to buy an MSI version of this Card!! Thank you Buildzoid!
Looking forward to have a ASUS TUF 3080 breakdonw, thanks!
Der8auer talked about it. He was pretty happy with the PCB so I'm looking foward to hear what buldzoid has to say about it.
Do MSI Suprim X please. Need to make a decision between these two cards while I’m still within the return period. Apparently similar pcb as same waterblocks, but Suprim has dual bios. Don’t know anything else.
I think 50mV drop is a bit over exaggerated. The voltage drop on that distance between the memory and the vrm will be insignificant. And plus, I'm sure they used very thick power tracks to mitigate any voltage drops, if any.
The biggest concern will be a larger power ground loop area. Ie the current path is larger.
This will add unnecessary inductance which will decrease the performance of the voltage regulator chip. It will affect the transient response and stability of the regulator chip.
But honestly the distance between the memory chip and regulator is not that large so I don't see an issue there.
I've actually had cards that dropped 50mv across the mem power plane
Awesome work brother! Love your content! Will you be doing the
EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 ULTRA?
The stuff he's saying really intersets me,i keep looking up what he mentions to understand it a little more.
Is there a book or a website or an article or anything really that would teach me the basics needed to understand what's he saying?
Your explanation, about why you distribute the power delivery for the memory, is missing one point. It is also to avoid current from one module flowing through the same plane of the PCB.
The reason being the plane inductance/resistance and ohms law. If current from one memory chip flows through the same part of the plane as for the other chip the voltage will drop more at the chip furthest away as the voltage drop 'stacks'.
Example:
1 PSU, 2 memory chips all on a straight line. Assume chips draw 1A each.
Chip 1: 10 mOhm from PSU
Chip 2: 30 mOhm from PSU
The current from both chips will flow in the first 10 mOhm while the last part of chip 2 current will only flow in the 20 mOhm between the two chips:
Chip 1 voltage drop: 2A*10 mOhm = 20mV
Chip 2 voltage drop: 2A*10 mOhm + 1A*20 mOhm = 40mV
Were they spread out no overlap would be seen resulting in:
Chip 1: 1A*10mOhm =10mV
Chip 2: 1A*30mOhm =30mV
If current or plane impedance is higher this will be more pronounced.
The same thing would happen if only one power hungry chip is used. This is also why the core VRMs are not clustered in one side of the PCB.
salesmen are in charge of MSI. "LETS PUT 3 8 PIN CONNECTORS ON IT. IT WILL MAKE IT SEEM EXTREME AND SALES WILL GO CRAZY" *ingests cocaine*
Awesome video again. Would you say number of powe phases matter significantly given the high quality "digital controllers" the card uses? VS a Gigabyte Gaming OC which would be better / your pick?
Thank you.
Can t wait for the strix review
Hey buildzoid, do you maybe have any sweet and juicy insider knowledge on bios modding for ampere? Since all these boards have such low powerlimits modding the bios could be extremely beneficial.
I owned one, the temp of VRAM drop Hashrate really much!
Fantastic review of the PCB! Are you planning an EVGA XC3 (Black Gaming) ?
Hi buildzoid . What do you think about the Rtx 3070 gaming x trio ?
@Buildzoid... any chance you could do a revisit on some of the x570 bios? .. after your easy pbo settings guide there have been so many updates and i hardly recognize the bios anymore..... i updated it yesterday and i feel completely lost :)
Looking forward to a tuf breakdown.
bro, your user name extended beyond my PHYSICAL DISPLAY SIZE
So the chip itself doesn’t have memory and the VRam is on the graphics card? I never knew that’s how chips and cards worked. Cool
Love your work! ;)
Hello, can you help me please where can I buy memory modules for my board rtx 3080 msi gamin x trio?
is it possible to hook up an elmorlabs evc on this pcb? i would be really really happy when someone answers!
What about Asus rog strix3080 ?
Are these GPUS with the same architecture design?
hopefully u can read this but i got a rtx 3070 gaming x trio my question is if i add to my vrm would i be able to would i be able to run the supreme bios on it
Please do a 3080 FTW3 video!
That mess of those small smd-s are amazing. How big are they? 1mm maybe, and that is the longer side? How the hekk they can put and solder those hundreds of parts to their place?
The solder is printed on the PCB via screen printing and the solder is sticky so that the components stick to the PCB during reflow soldering and handling. The placement if the SMD components is handled by a machine which picks and places the SMD components and the placement is controlled via camera and other sensors
What the difference btw Z and X series, (10G LHR)?
There's a bizarre amount of empty space on this card. WTF is up with all that blank PCB surface area?
Probably gonna reuse it for the 3090 and add more VRMs
The heatsink is that big, and pcb just follows that.
Top tip: Ask a question answered in the video.
@@Safetytrousers hah. The video popped up in my feed really late and I only had a chance to watch the first several minutes before going to bed
look at how clean that pcb is
Do you think MSI will make a new bios for this card. On Techpowerup's review it seems to be purely limited by the Bios?
Would you also just plug in 2 of the 3 power pins? Would be BS to buy extra custom cables I gues?