Hi Roger, One quick point the L and M Class are also different on the filtration. L Class filter 99% of dust where as M class filter 99.9%. The 0.9% makes quite a big difference when working with Hardwoods or brick, If one is primarily working with softwoods then a L class will suffice. the 0.9% is what justifies the jump in price between an L & M. Cheers.
You are quoting the minimum requirements for a given Class. But in practice all major vacuum manufacturers use the same filters for the L and M class versions. You can check by looking at the replacement part lists. It’s only the H class which use different filters and those filters impede suction to some degree.
I have a Fein and that won’t start up with out the hose in it. I’m surprised this one is not the same. I like the way the nozzles change on this as it looks easier than the Fein.
What is the maximum wattage for the power tool that can be plugged into this extractor. Do you know of any 110v dust extractor that allow tools of around 1500w to be plugged in.
It’s about time these companies done their faithful customers a good turn and released reusable bags for the dust extractors. I know festoon do them but they’re priced well over £100 a pop
@@stevendouglas3860 If you only own a hammer. Every problem looks like a nail. MIELE are good. But not the best. Certainly not as good as they used to be.
@@stevendouglas3860 Please explain why MIELE are the best? Is it because they massively over-charge for their bags? I made no comment about Dyson. So I am not saying they are better. Henry are not even worth talking about. As you mentioned SEBO. I will say that I do think SEBO are much more superior than MIELE.
Are you sure that there’s no difference between m class and l class? I was lead to believe, by the marketing from manufacturers, that m class filters finer particulates? That’s pretty sneaky if it’s not the case cuz they definitely lead u to think that
Any Hoover that requiring bags when dealing with dust etc is no good, it's an unnecessary cost that doesn't benefit anyone but the maker! Even that posh overrated Pratt James Dyson realized that....karcher need to up there game with that one reason plus, need to make the machine useable on both 240v and 110v on the same machine with an auto voltage detection so it's as simple as plug and go.
My point was that Dyson moved away from bags because they are an inconvenience, their are ways around using them but the corporate fat cats don't want to release them as their is no future money spinner. What do you think happens to the bagged dust once it's put in a skip or in a ash cart!! It gets crushed split ripped etc then the dust comes out anyway, m class is just a move it along class to me, out of sight out of mind, anything that sells right? If you think it's anything any different then you are as gullible as they need to push for more cash.
Sean Coles The minute you mentioned Dyson anything you said was not even worth listening too. these are specially rated dust extractors for hazardous applications in building and construction. Dysons don't not have an L/M/H rating on any machine. So if you think that bags are only a marketing tool why is it that ALL H class Asbestos extractors use bags, it's because the bag is required to gain the H class rating combined with the Hepa filters and keep most of the material safely in the bag. The idea behind the bag too is you seal it up with the dangerous dust inside it and throw it away and pop a new one it, if you empty a Dyson of concrete dust it would end up all over you. Not only that, have you tried to rip one of the new fleece bags, they are almost indestructible. They are nothing like the old paper bags, they have superior airflow and better filtration combined with the excellent strength.
@@stevendouglas3860 Henry? Ha! Miele are good (apart from the 2 defective ones I had straight out of the box). Very pricey for the bags. I actually use the Festool around the house !!
agree, I have WD5, the filtration is very poor, the suction is ok. But there are plenty other shop vacs with same suction, beter filters and lower price.
I brought a mirka dust free sander for my decorating business. Nilfisk are the best for dust extraction machines. Alto or attix 30 to 33. Amazing bit of kit. In my opinion better than festool. I've had my Ceros for over ten years and I have battered it through probably 50plus homes upto six bedroom. Earned me some money because I insist on sanding, washing down and rolling three or four times with a durable washable scrub able paint.
For God sakes people, L, M, H, H+asbestos classes are for Low, Mid., High, and High with asbestos filtration capacity; the vacuums are the same for all the classes, only the filters differ. From what Ive seen the best suction has the Starmix iPulse H-1635, and the best filtration with 3 filters + dust bag has the Nilfisk Attix 44-2H ic, hands down!
Just remember to watch your total wattage of the tool you plug in. A family member had a domestic one but it was only rated at 1000 watts. He plugged in a circular saw and blew the circuit board. So I now have a Karcher WD6 that needs a bypass to the main circuit board but will still work fine.
I just looked at the prices in the US and their prices have dropped on certain units and now they’re offering a lifetime warranty on the motor and the canister for certain units.
+Lloyd lavender Not all sites are 110V supplies. Some are in peoples houses or in your own workshop. You may have a 240v high end extractor like that to work in peoples houses and performance is of the utmost importance. You could be operating in a shop or even on the street.
Festool will have 100 times the back up and service compared to Karcher. Karcher have IMHO chased the bottom end of the pressure washer market and I wouldn't trust spending this much dosh on something that is not as good as a Festool/Makita/Bosch/DeWalt. Karcher are known for water squirting machines. Not industrial vacuums IMHO.
Some ones been putting out it £700 that may be list price. I have a karcher vac (non dust extractor) it a great little thing and has done some shit like sucking wet cavity wall insulation out amongst other equally rough tasks and it has stood it all as well as our Henry. I’d be interested to see this machine in a group line up. As for festool back up I was not so impressed when I brought my last festool the carvex jigsaw. Never would I buy another festool
@1:37 And that's because I forgot to take the cap off. (Were you testing the on board thermal breaker?) My Hilti VC40 U (2010) has a similar 90 degree elbow facing the left side, in order to be away from the inflow of debris while they enter the canister. I think it is easier. The elbow fits right through the horizontal orientation of the filter bag. You solved the questions I had about the difference between L and M class. I've been chasing the Hilti rep to tell me, and he didn't know. Nice vid.
Festool, Bosch, Starmix, and so on ...everyone has a M class vac in the same price, what's the difference? what type of box can I but on top of the vac (systeiner or L-boxx)? is this a antistatic hose?
Exactly what I was thinking. Absolutely nothing special about this unit. Based on previous experiences with Karcher pressure washers (and their 'sevice centres' ha! 'rip-off centres' more like. They wanted £18 for 4 standard O rings. Paid £0.50p for the same thing down my local counter.) I wouldn't touch this with a barge pole that has a dead rat on the end of it.
+Diddy Wright If you are doing jobs worth thousand why skimp on certain needed equipment. There are many extractors for different price ranges and they are all great.
Excellent review ! In terms of filtration I thought L class was 99% and M class was 99.9% ? That 0.9% does make a difference to what is chucked back in to the atmosphere. I agree with the point about audible warnings to make it a true M class. Good to see this review as we can compare to the power tool manufacturers' dust extractors (e.g. Festool/Metabo etc..) that we all know well. I would still go for a Festool/DeWalt/Metabo extractor.
A lot of manufacturers use M-class filters in their L-class as well. So it is M-class filtration but L-class labelled because of the lack of warning sensor.
The issue for me is that I have bought a load of cordless tools. Whilst they’ll connect to the hose, it’s sucks (pun not intended) that auto stop start won’t work like the way they’ve designed it for corded tools.
For the best test ever bar none... Suck up a load of laser or copier toner. It's magnetic and super fine. If it gets past the filter it'll get attracted straight to the motor, clog it and it'll get hot and weld itself into place...fire normally ensues
Thank you for the dust extractor review, Rodger! I hope to see more, as I am in the market for one to compliment my new Mafell MT55cc. Hopefully, Mafell will send you one of theirs for review.
Great machine but I prefer bagless. I bought one of those cyclones that fits onto an older Nilfisk vacuum cleaner. Works really well and the amount of dust that stops before the vacuum is amazing. It's only for occasional home use though and not industrial.
This one is designed to be used without bags in applications where such is feasible. That’s what the automatic filter cleaning is for, which would not be needed with a bag. Just make sure you have a way of emptying the tank without inhaling any dust. Otherwise all that nice M Class safety is for naught.
Hi Roger,
One quick point the L and M Class are also different on the filtration. L Class filter 99% of dust where as M class filter 99.9%. The 0.9% makes quite a big difference when working with Hardwoods or brick, If one is primarily working with softwoods then a L class will suffice. the 0.9% is what justifies the jump in price between an L & M.
Cheers.
You are quoting the minimum requirements for a given Class. But in practice all major vacuum manufacturers use the same filters for the L and M class versions. You can check by looking at the replacement part lists. It’s only the H class which use different filters and those filters impede suction to some degree.
I have the nt 35/1 professional tact te its amazing machine!😉
Got this ~ 2 weeks ago. It's crazy-good! Wet, dry, dust, rat poop, paint flakes all with ease and 0 smell etc from the outlet.
I have a Fein and that won’t start up with out the hose in it. I’m surprised this one is not the same. I like the way the nozzles change on this as it looks easier than the Fein.
1st. I wasn't using mine much. So I sold it. It was just collecting dust.
last! I've got one that can suck a golf ball through a hosepipe and empty your wallet at the same time
What is the maximum wattage for the power tool that can be plugged into this extractor. Do you know of any 110v dust extractor that allow tools of around 1500w to be plugged in.
Thanks I have a Karcher vacuum and the one you have reviewed looks great until I saw the price 😱
It’s about time these companies done their faithful customers a good turn and released reusable bags for the dust extractors. I know festoon do them but they’re priced well over £100 a pop
Great video roger looks like a good vacuum what was the face about on the saw horse at 5:20 in the video haha
Petty sure it's promo tactics used to get people talking and commenting on the videos
@@amateurvegan2636 But Roger is still the Uncle ! 😂🐒
Nothing beats MIELE .
Apart from products which are better than MIELE.
@@stakkerhmnd Sorry Miele are the best engineered products you'll see. ( for a good price )
@@stevendouglas3860 If you only own a hammer. Every problem looks like a nail. MIELE are good. But not the best. Certainly not as good as they used to be.
@@stakkerhmnd Miele still the best . People know that Dyson, are hyped overpriced.
Henry are average.
Sebo are very good.
@@stevendouglas3860 Please explain why MIELE are the best? Is it because they massively over-charge for their bags?
I made no comment about Dyson. So I am not saying they are better.
Henry are not even worth talking about.
As you mentioned SEBO. I will say that I do think SEBO are much more superior than MIELE.
Are you sure that there’s no difference between m class and l class? I was lead to believe, by the marketing from manufacturers, that m class filters finer particulates? That’s pretty sneaky if it’s not the case cuz they definitely lead u to think that
See my post about what I thought the difference were between L and M regarding efficiency.
Is it powerful enough to hurt an apprentice though ? ah yes, the good old days, when you could punch someone and it would all be sorted.
Exactly. Couldn't have put it better myself !!
Any Hoover that requiring bags when dealing with dust etc is no good, it's an unnecessary cost that doesn't benefit anyone but the maker! Even that posh overrated Pratt James Dyson realized that....karcher need to up there game with that one reason plus, need to make the machine useable on both 240v and 110v on the same machine with an auto voltage detection so it's as simple as plug and go.
Sean Coles have you ever hoovered up plaster dust with a dyson? You’ll clog up the nozzles requiring a full strip down and filter replacements
It's a M class. It has to have a bag, as the dust has to be safely stored and disposed of.
@@markevans9130 You are right it is no point sucking it in to let it out again
My point was that Dyson moved away from bags because they are an inconvenience, their are ways around using them but the corporate fat cats don't want to release them as their is no future money spinner.
What do you think happens to the bagged dust once it's put in a skip or in a ash cart!! It gets crushed split ripped etc then the dust comes out anyway, m class is just a move it along class to me, out of sight out of mind, anything that sells right? If you think it's anything any different then you are as gullible as they need to push for more cash.
Sean Coles The minute you mentioned Dyson anything you said was not even worth listening too. these are specially rated dust extractors for hazardous applications in building and construction. Dysons don't not have an L/M/H rating on any machine. So if you think that bags are only a marketing tool why is it that ALL H class Asbestos extractors use bags, it's because the bag is required to gain the H class rating combined with the Hepa filters and keep most of the material safely in the bag. The idea behind the bag too is you seal it up with the dangerous dust inside it and throw it away and pop a new one it, if you empty a Dyson of concrete dust it would end up all over you. Not only that, have you tried to rip one of the new fleece bags, they are almost indestructible. They are nothing like the old paper bags, they have superior airflow and better filtration combined with the excellent strength.
Mmmm! Can’t see me buying karcher or Dyson again. Over rated in my opinion. My karcher vac is a pain in the posterior.
Yep. Totally agree.
@@stakkerhmnd Nothing beats Miele .
@@stevendouglas3860 Henry? Ha! Miele are good (apart from the 2 defective ones I had straight out of the box). Very pricey for the bags. I actually use the Festool around the house !!
agree, I have WD5, the filtration is very poor, the suction is ok. But there are plenty other shop vacs with same suction, beter filters and lower price.
4:13 Put the transport cap over the bag opening! We've all not done it before ! 😂
1:19 alarm is going off because the Hose Plug is installed. No airflow with the plug in…
I brought a mirka dust free sander for my decorating business. Nilfisk are the best for dust extraction machines. Alto or attix 30 to 33. Amazing bit of kit. In my opinion better than festool. I've had my Ceros for over ten years and I have battered it through probably 50plus homes upto six bedroom. Earned me some money because I insist on sanding, washing down and rolling three or four times with a durable washable scrub able paint.
For God sakes people, L, M, H, H+asbestos classes are for Low, Mid., High, and High with asbestos filtration capacity; the vacuums are the same for all the classes, only the filters differ.
From what Ive seen the best suction has the Starmix iPulse H-1635, and the best filtration with 3 filters + dust bag has the Nilfisk Attix 44-2H ic, hands down!
Damn it’s a jet engine, oh yeah!
Just remember to watch your total wattage of the tool you plug in. A family member had a domestic one but it was only rated at 1000 watts. He plugged in a circular saw and blew the circuit board. So I now have a Karcher WD6 that needs a bypass to the main circuit board but will still work fine.
700 odd quid, no chance. Makita m class 400 ish with 3 year warranty, I know what I'll be buying. Good review though as always, thanks.
Spot on!
I just looked at the prices in the US and their prices have dropped on certain units and now they’re offering a lifetime warranty on the motor and the canister for certain units.
What's up with the cat at 5:20?
It's a Monkey🐒. And Roger is its Uncle 😂😂😂
Pretty pointless on site it's 240v FFS
+Lloyd lavender
Not all sites are 110V supplies. Some are in peoples houses or in your own workshop.
You may have a 240v high end extractor like that to work in peoples houses and performance is of the utmost importance. You could be operating in a shop or even on the street.
@@bighands69 you should still use 110v wherever your working it's the law
Price vs festool?
Festool will have 100 times the back up and service compared to Karcher. Karcher have IMHO chased the bottom end of the pressure washer market and I wouldn't trust spending this much dosh on something that is not as good as a Festool/Makita/Bosch/DeWalt.
Karcher are known for water squirting machines. Not industrial vacuums IMHO.
Some ones been putting out it £700 that may be list price. I have a karcher vac (non dust extractor) it a great little thing and has done some shit like sucking wet cavity wall insulation out amongst other equally rough tasks and it has stood it all as well as our Henry. I’d be interested to see this machine in a group line up.
As for festool back up I was not so impressed when I brought my last festool the carvex jigsaw. Never would I buy another festool
@1:37 And that's because I forgot to take the cap off. (Were you testing the on board thermal breaker?) My Hilti VC40 U (2010) has a similar 90 degree elbow facing the left side, in order to be away from the inflow of debris while they enter the canister. I think it is easier. The elbow fits right through the horizontal orientation of the filter bag. You solved the questions I had about the difference between L and M class. I've been chasing the Hilti rep to tell me, and he didn't know. Nice vid.
Festool, Bosch, Starmix, and so on ...everyone has a M class vac in the same price, what's the difference? what type of box can I but on top of the vac (systeiner or L-boxx)? is this a antistatic hose?
Exactly what I was thinking. Absolutely nothing special about this unit. Based on previous experiences with Karcher pressure washers (and their 'sevice centres' ha! 'rip-off centres' more like. They wanted £18 for 4 standard O rings. Paid £0.50p for the same thing down my local counter.) I wouldn't touch this with a barge pole that has a dead rat on the end of it.
£780 for a vacuum cleaner? That sucks! Cheers Roger
+Diddy Wright
If you are doing jobs worth thousand why skimp on certain needed equipment.
There are many extractors for different price ranges and they are all great.
@bighands69 it was my attempt at humour mate......... Vacuum cleaner...........that sucks!!!!!!! Get it?😬
Important question. What is the Maximum Depth of Cut this tool can do?
M class have different filter. Also conductive hose for anti static and 1.5x3 connection wire.
Great video. I'm wondering about the monkey face on the saw horse leg?
Which one?
@@SkillBuilder the leg right below the vacuum. Crazy it's there and then goes away
@Skill Builder look at 5:21 on the video. I seen shot it but I can't share it in this feed. I was hoping I won a prize. The vacuum maybe??
@@SkillBuilder did you see the monkey face?
Can you review the karcher nt 361 eco premium ?
Nicely explained just plain awsome 👍
Thanks a lot 😊
Excellent review ! In terms of filtration I thought L class was 99% and M class was 99.9% ? That 0.9% does make a difference to what is chucked back in to the atmosphere. I agree with the point about audible warnings to make it a true M class.
Good to see this review as we can compare to the power tool manufacturers' dust extractors (e.g. Festool/Metabo etc..) that we all know well. I would still go for a Festool/DeWalt/Metabo extractor.
That is a good point but I was told by a manufacturer that the warning is the thing.
A lot of manufacturers use M-class filters in their L-class as well. So it is M-class filtration but L-class labelled because of the lack of warning sensor.
The issue for me is that I have bought a load of cordless tools. Whilst they’ll connect to the hose, it’s sucks (pun not intended) that auto stop start won’t work like the way they’ve designed it for corded tools.
festool + Bluetooth on hose
Or Starmix/Metabo Cordless Control to use with almost any vacuum.
Should have tried some fire ash. I’ve never seen a Hoover be able to do that without getting blocked within a minute
For the best test ever bar none... Suck up a load of laser or copier toner. It's magnetic and super fine. If it gets past the filter it'll get attracted straight to the motor, clog it and it'll get hot and weld itself into place...fire normally ensues
@@robinturner2300 So you destroy your vacuum just for a test?
I'm glad I'm not in a room with you and that hoover, dust everywhere.
It isn't a Hoover and it isn't a room.
Nice bit of kit
Roger! In my professional opinion there is none better than FLEX dust extractor! What do you say?
Karcher in a german company who makes the best
pressure washer and vaccum cleaner in the world.
Thank you for the dust extractor review, Rodger! I hope to see more, as I am in the market for one to compliment my new Mafell MT55cc. Hopefully, Mafell will send you one of theirs for review.
Do they want my left or right kidney for that?
That is so damn expensive.
240 ???? 110
yes both voltages
This guy is hilarious and should have his own channel to review all sorts of things.
Keep up at the back Timothy... 😂
Great machine but I prefer bagless. I bought one of those cyclones that fits onto an older Nilfisk vacuum cleaner. Works really well and the amount of dust that stops before the vacuum is amazing. It's only for occasional home use though and not industrial.
Then it's not an M class vacuum is it.
This one is designed to be used without bags in applications where such is feasible. That’s what the automatic filter cleaning is for, which would not be needed with a bag. Just make sure you have a way of emptying the tank without inhaling any dust. Otherwise all that nice M Class safety is for naught.
@@JohnDoe-rl9ft thanks. Good advice.
Rubbish I have an H Class for asbestos, it does not have an alarm or a bag.
Has it got a make and model number? If so would be interested to know. Thanks.