Every Commodore 64 Football Game in Order Of Greatness
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- Опубліковано 29 тра 2024
- Hey whatsup guys OSG back with a Patreon request that has been months in the making. When 2000DC asked me to do a video on every c64 football game in order of greatness I stupidly underestimated 1 how many football games were on the c64 and 2 how many terrible football games there were.
When I say football (for any of my American viewers I mean soccer so don’t expect to see the likes of 4th n inches etc on this list
For this list I’ve ruled out Football Manager games because although I love them they aren’t really actual football action games as such and also would make really bad viewing…at least we can have a laugh at some of the bad games here as we watch them
So I was left with 42 games which if I had to be blunt only around 25% of this list is worth playing so I have had to think up of 30 ways of saying this is crap…which isn’t an easy task..
So enough talking about it and let’s get on with every C64 Football game in order of greatness
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/ oldstylegaming
Games in this video:-
Kenny Dalglish Soccer
Peter Beardsley's International Football
Gazza's Super Soccer
Super Soccer
Street Cred Football
European Football Champ
Fighting Soccer
World Cup
Match Day
Italy '90 Soccer
Fantastic Soccer
World Cup Carnival: Mexico '86
Five A Side Footy
Kick Off 2
Emilio Butragueño Futbol
ADIDAS Championship Football
Roy of the Rovers
Gary Lineker's Hot Shot
4 Soccer Simulators
England Championship Special
World Cup Soccer: Italia '90
I Play: 3D Soccer
Five A Side
Soccer Challenge
Manchester United: The Official Computer Game
Liverpool: The Computer Game
World Championship Soccer
Gazza II
Graeme Souness International Soccer
Street Sports Soccer
Match Day II
Peter Shilton's Handball Maradona
Penalty Soccer
Kick Off
Manchester United Europe
Italy 1990
Major Indoor Soccer League
Superstar Soccer
International Soccer
Championship of Europe
Emlyn Hughes International Soccer
MicroProse Soccer - Ігри
You finally did it! Was surprised at how many of these I've played, there's some gems in there that aren't the obvious microprose and emlyns. Also very impressed you managed to find different ways of saying crap 30 or so times 😂
The Number 1 is a no brainer, and I'm still impressed by the VCR Rewinding effect on Replays.
Yeah its a classic mate, on another level to any other football game on the C64
International soccer was the first game we played when we got the c64, pretty sure it was on a cartridge . Many marathon sessions playing that one back in the day
its a great game and outstanding for when it was released
Rob Vegas - yes there was a cartridge version of the game for sure, as I had it on a cartridge as well.
Yeah the cart also had flimbos quest, Freddy's big top circus and something else that escapes me
Emlyn hughes was the shit
This starts out playing a bit like “the history of terrible soccer games on the c64” because , as you say, such a small percentage were actually even worth playing
Microprose was so good because it was made by Sensible Software. Their warm-up for Sensi Soccer on the Amiga.
Quality as ever. Nice shout-out to Sensi Soccer at the end. I still contend that Sensi's release somewhat ruined any success I had coming at Uni...that game was just far too addictive.
lol im gonna blame that too then
An updated sensi 2020 is out on pc with updated names and commentary and sound ect with an expert mode for career mode as it was too easy once u mastered editing tactics
Emlyn Hughes for me, the five directional control system was amazing. Microprose was very good, but nowhere near as complex and more arcadey, still a great game though (possibly the first football game to have replays?). Microprose Soccer was actually designed in part by John Hare of Sensible fame.
P.S
I went on to become a football games designer for my sins. I worked at Silicon Dreams/Eidos and at Gremlin for those with memories lol. I designed the control system for UEFA Champions League 98/99 and 99/00 on PlayStation and designed the commentary system for those games. I also worked on a Premier League manager title and other non football based stuff for Sony and others.
Wow thats great :-)
@@oldstylegaming - Only ever tried to do justice to the kid I used to be, to not get it wrong for kids with mates in back badrooms. Of course everything is somewhat wrong, but you try and it's as true each gen, only the faces change. Corporate interests came in, in a big way in the 32bit era sadly, and those interests have only continued to dilute and stifle passion, still designers try and do their best.
Best ever game as I changed all the names colours to the Scottish league teams n names
Kickoff2?
@@StefanMerz-qg7ll - Kick Off 2 was the best football game I ever played, but on the Amiga. It needed the power of the Amiga to deal with the physics. I would never have ended up as a games designer, if it wasn't for the likes of Dino Dini and Kick Off 2.
Italia 90 for the mega drive/genesis was my favourite.
But yeah, I had no idea there was so many.
11:43 The Liverpool game looks like bees buzzing round a snooker ball...
As I start this I assume there is some highly amusing dross in here as well as a handful of gems
not so amusing when you gotta play them...tbh this video maybe isn't the best for viewers but it was a patreon request so I have to honour that...and its taken so much of my time up im glad its finally done and dusted now
@@oldstylegaming I really enjoyed the video....it's a good example of a sub genre where a lot of hokey games were made. But I remember after years of poor C64 footy games almost falling off my chair the first time I played FIFA on the SNES. It was just such a jump forward.....happy days.
I’m pleasantly surprised that you hold International Soccer (1983) in such high regard. It’s usually on lists of the worst C64 games, and I’ve always thought that was very unfair.
I LOVED seeing MISL Soccer that high on the list! Living in Baltimore, the Baltimore Blast were a perennial MISL title contender, and it was great to have a game based on the league. Easily my most played game on the C64.
Also, Microprose Soccer here was known as Keith Van Eron Pro Soccer, Van Eron being the goalkeeper for the Baltimore Blast. The flip side of the disk had the indoor version of the game too! (And the Blast partially owned by Microprose owner "Wild" Bill Staley)
I love comments like this that tell me things i never knew :-)
“When I say Football, I mean Soccer” (for all of us American c64 fans out there) 😂🤣
I know I used to play International Soccer and Microprose Soccer and enjoying them a lot. But I remember another game called "Indoor Soccer" or something similar, that looked very similar to Microprose Soccer but featured sidewalls so the ball could bounce off them. I liked that football game most of all with the insane curveballs! :)
That was the other side of the Microprose Soccer tape. There was an indoor six a side version with American teams where the keepers wore helmets :-)
I like how some of the more sophisticated games had possible match ups you never see, like Fortuna Düsseldorf vs. Hull.
Also, 'Ass Tigers'
It's amazing how many of these games seem like re-skins of other titles. There seem to be half a dozen 'International Soccer' reskins with Emlyn Hughes/Peter Beardsley Soccer etc. Gary Linekers Hot Shot looks (and sounds and seems to play) like Italy 1990 by Ocean. I heard on a video about Ocean software that they reskinned a Euro '84 soccer game for their Mexico '86 title because the guy given the task of designing the game in house didn't get the memo and when asked how the game was coming along, a few weeks before the scheduled release said: "What game?" so they went out and bought somebody's Euro '84 game and rebadged it....
Wouldn't argue with much here except the omission of "Footballer of the Year".....thanks for the upload dude.
Thank you OSG. I agree with the top (1st and the 2nd). And about the rest, I know quite a few of them but I didn't know that many football games C64 has.
My brother and I would play MicroproseSoccer for hours and hours on the C64, I remember him beeing a bit better than me (he's 2 years older). But I got my revenge on the Amiga, kicking his butt playing Kick Off 2 (ext.version) with after touch and overhead kicks enabled. After a while he lost interest, or so he said :-D
Love EHIS, made my own leagues with promotion and relegation years ago. At one stage had eight leagues going on with 64 teams, some classic international teams and modern (for 1989) teams. Been thinking of setting up another few leagues with modern clubs..........fantastic video BTW and Microprose Soccer is a worthy number one. Well it WAS done by Sensible Software.........What football games did they do after this, anyone know????
Italy 1990 was my favorite growing up. It was the only one I had that was actually playable. I had Match Day 2 (awful) and International Soccer on Cart. But Italy 1990 was my fav. You can score often from kicking off and running straight and then letting fly half way into the opponents half. Most times it'll sail into the net. You can also score often with a diagonal shot from just outside the far corner of the box. That or if you're good a dribbling, you can run round the goalie and run it over the line :)
Nice one another great video. The game I thought might be number 1 was your number 2 (won’t spoil!). The one I played the most as a kid was Italia 90, followed by Gary Lineker’s Hot Shot. There was quite a few here I’ve never heard of. That Codemasters street soccer one looked good to me and one of the other less congenital ones - forgot it now 😂
It’d be great if you could do a C64 football manager list too - that was the (sub) genre I played most and still have so many of them. Cheers
International soccer was my 1st and nothing touched it till the last 2 on your list. For me Emlyn Hughes was my favourite. Loved the clutch system of the joystick to get head flicks. Way ahead of its time.
The Mindscape/SporTime games were absolutely boss away from the pitch, as well: team management, promotions and relegations on the outdoor version, the whole kit kaboodle. Heck of a workout for the old 1541, though.
Never really played any other football games other than MicroProse Soccer. The moment I realized you could do hooks in it was mindblowing! Great video as always.
International Soccer was the first game I ever had on the C64 and it was on cartridge, very impressive for it's day, good AI too, played it for many hours.
Nice compilation. I played most of this games, but enojed only Emeyn Hughes Soccer (I had original disk released by LK Avalon in Poland :)), International Soccer and of course Miscroprose Soccer. Last game was more known in my city as "Microsoccer" because it was the usual name on tape compilations - it was very popular in my class when I was going to school in eraly 90s :) I also spent much time with Manchaster United Europe, because it had a really unique (for C64) management segment and it was simulating many european cups. You could get a yellow/red card during a game, there was a referee runing on the filed... probably most complex footbal game on Commodore :)
OSG - please make a compilation about sports manager games :) There were quite a few, like Kenny Dalgish Footbal Manager or Soccer Rivals :)
KickOff 2 on the Amiga was great - jedi like skills needed
And that's why it is the best game involving football to this day. Not necessarily the best football game, if you understand me: the two are different accolades. If the best game involving football in Kick Off 2, the best representation of football in a game might be Pro Evolution Soccer 6 or one of the later ones in recent years.
Great video. You can see the effort.
Cheers mate.
Okay, I was expecting American football after reading the video title :), but enjoyed the video tremendously, nonetheless! Thanks, OSG! It's very interesting to observe the various approaches to implementing a game like this . . . the C64 offers so much potential as a blank slate.
Lol i did explain at the start haha
Haha superb man. World Cup Carnival was hands down one of the worst I remember, me and my brothers still laugh about that one and Peter Beardsley's terrible game to this day.
Endless days and night playing Superstar Soccer & Hockey. Mindscape gets my nod
I so loved the feel of power and pacing in Superstar Soccer
I played international Soccer all the time. Emlyn Hughes was a replacement in a way - I loved Emlyn Hughes as you could boot the ball in the air. I preferred Emlyn Hughes to Microprose Soccer, even though Sensible Soccer is one of my favourite games of all time. One C64 football game I play quite often is Soccer Boss - it is fun to have a game on the go in the background.
For me Commodore Soccer (great Andrew Spencer) was the best one...
I spent hours with my friends (1985-1987) to play this game..
Even today I relax playing it..
Microprose Soccer was great too..
I liked also Peter Shiltons Handball Maradona...
The rest...were not worth to play...
Thanks for this compilation!!!!
great!!!
Great video! The conclusion is that only two games were good: No2 Emlyn Hughes and No1 Microprose. And International Soccer because it was phenomenal for its date. I don't quite get why Gazza II was in 15th place instead of 45th. 🙂 As a kid I played a lot Match Day 2, which was great BUT desperately slow as you said.
Criminal that Kick-off 2 port. 16bit version had quirks, but there was a magic to it.
Sports games really don’t get enough love on UA-cam, really enjoyed this one, love Peter Shiltons Handball Maradona as a kid, great game
Have to agree with your number one choice. It's still my favourite football game of all time, and in there amongst my favourite games ever.
Mega points for sticking to football being FOOTBALL.
The graphics on Graeme Souness Soccer looks beautiful.
I had International Soccer as a kid, which my dad picked up from a friend of his. I had no particular interest in any sport, but it was so easy to pick up and play and so much fun that I loved it.
Great video. The other one I remember was footballer of the year.
It did have handball Maradona! ♥️ few great memories in there
Bro... I loved it C64 days. I was 13 when I got my first ‘real’ set-up. Having evolved from ColecoVision - the sheer vastness of potential game options on C64 was like nothing else.
I remember buying ‘some’ games. Maybe 6-10 tops over so many years. I would’ve 200-300 different games tho. Most of em random; dumped on some disc with 4-5 other games and just playing everything once and mining for gold.
I’m glad that for all the games on your list, Let can only confirm absolutely having played 2 of the 40. Luckily they ranked #4 and #1.
I do have to concur 100%. The #1 game was mint. The mechanics of the ball/player movement; scrolling were so advanced versus anything to date.
I remember in particular; the movement you could put on your shots once you knew what you were doing meant you could basically set fire to the other 39 games the day this game out: 🐾🥰🙏🕺🤓
Top stuff. My only gripe would be 4 Soccer Simulator being so low. 4 games in one and fun I thought.
Adidas championship football came with "world in motion" on the flip side of the cassette! I probably owned most of those.
I had a go of Championship of Europe - it has one of the best soundtracks for the C64!
Outstanding work as ever. Just a little complain: kick off (the first one) for c64 has a game breaking bug: you can start from the kick off using the lob, go to the goal wihtout anyone moving, press fire and get a goal counted...
I could swear that Electronic Arts had a soccer game with Premiere League teams...I wish I could remember the name of it
Personal faves, Gary linekers soccer(not the top view one, the sideview one I think mindscape made it) and microprose soccer, and my footballish favourite is footballer of the year.
Perfect judgement from you, the number 1 is correct. Fantastic game.
Good, Mindscape gets my number one due to the management components
I noticed the lack of 'SuperCup' as well, but I totally get that, it's not the best known game. This was a brilliant watch OSG, thank you! 👍🏻😁
Im sorry mate its hard to find them all between my roms, lemon64 and other c64 websites... im sad now ive missed one
@@oldstylegaming seriously don't apologise! I love your content and I can imagine how much time and effort it must take to research and make these videos. Keep it up! 😊
Lol 'Sh#t soccer' this is why we all love your commentary.
I was pissing myself at you roasting 20 games 😂 'They called it Fantastic Soccer, as they couldn't call it Shit Soccer' 😂😂😂 Ah this was brilliant, and I have to agree with No.1 but that's because it's the only one I remember playing 👍🏴
Thanks for the Rolf Harris connection mention, I think 😂
On a side note LFC and Graham Souness soccer are incredibly swos-esque to a point that sensible must have used the ideas.
Microprose Soccer really is a top 8 bit football game. To me it was like having an arcade game at home on the breadbin and in facts it has similar graphics to Tekhan World Cup. It's also packed with options and game modes. As I had the original, I also played the indoor variety that was on the other side of the tape (wich was deemed to be the american version..).
What about list of c64 football manager games, that would be awesome 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
Probably the only thing about retro gaming il never miss ...!! My first ever experience of computer football was match day on the 48k I did at the time think it was great but after afew weeks of collecting more games it stayed at the bottom of the pile till I sold the computer ..em Hughes soccer was really good on the specky and kids at school would always talk about there long range goals... Match day 2 I was really looking forward too playing but it was crap !!! .. luckily I never spent my money or wasted cassette space on these !!! But there's s about 4 good ones I missed out on ..
I agree with the top 2 definately but Sensible World of Soccer will always be my nest footie game as I'm a goal scoring superstar hero!!!
Great video, I am not a fan of football, but I did like the old football games. I think that the C64 could have done a nice version of Sensible Soccer, I mean Microprose Soccer was actually written by Sensible Software... heck the little sprite style would have worked great. Back in the day my uncle had International Soccer on cartridge, we loved that game... maybe just because it loaded instantly and we were impatient little shithawks.
International soccer a great game, I remember came on a cartridge with my C64 also had klax, flimbos quest and fiendish Freddy a big top o fun
MicroProse Soccer is not only a top C64 football game, but one of the best computer games ever made, period.
My top 2 matched yours. Both great footie games.
International Soccer holds up pretty good considering when it was made, also liked the street sports soccer as well they were the 2 I played most of the soccer games
One other comment on my beloved MISL Soccer. As with SuperStar Soccer, you could play an exhibition with any team, but to play the league mode, you created an expansion team, with all low-end talent players.
You could train your team to improve them, create new players, or trade players (with a "transaction fee"). All of these took "ability points" (you started with 300, and depending on where you finished you earned more. (More points for a lower team, less for a higher team, designed to help improve the weak squads.)
However UNLIKE SuperStar Soccer, you didn't play all your games. Games that were against a Western Conference team were "road games" and simulated, so at the start, you'd expect to lose to San Diego or Tacoma 11-0!
Man i had World Cup 86 back in the day and being 12 at the time i was over the moon i got it. An the i played it and dear lord i took it back to the computer shop and got a refund , told them it didn't work😂. After that i stuck to the manager games until i got my amiga that being said i did play a few of these at a mates house oh the joy 😂😂😂. Great video as always buddy keep up the great work.
The only one on this list I played a lot was International Soccer 1983. Solid game but I do recall it had a major flaw in the gameplay whereby you could simply walk the ball into the goal making the experience a bit redundant.
Hi! Just an idea: Would you make a list of the best football manager games as well? I have not found such a list from you yet. One of my favorites is Match of the Day (it is not the same as Match day)! But there is a glitch in every uploaded emulated version. It freezes when I talk with the doctor in the game... As I could recall, I had no such problem with the original C64 version. Moreover, I have some additional ideas for C64 game lists.
Microprose Soccer - forever No. 1!! ⚽👍😍😉
Is World Championship Soccer a port of the game better known as World Cup Italia 90 on the Megadrive?
I had & played the 4th Placer in this Vid! :D
Holy hell a lot of the low placers in this List look like they were made as an act of flat out Trolling. XD
Can’t argue with those top two at all!!!
Had lots of the games at the bottom of this list. Thought they were fun back in the day but I see they were anything but lol. The top 2 are interchangeable really as both were outstanding but I played more Emlyn Hughes as you could change the kits, team names and player names. Special shout to Peter Shiltons Handball Maradonna - spent hours on that fun game :)
That graeme souness one looks very sensible socceresque
I haven't had many soccer games, but i just love Microprose Soccer! Commodore/International Soccer and Five-A-Side were fun, too. And Street Sports Soccer was ok (Their basketball game was one of my most played games).
Super Soccer seems to be almost in slow motion, same with Match Day II (How can that game be THAT high on the list??). The ball in Street Cred Football is HUGE, bigger than the player's heads...Same in 4 Soccer Simulators, Gazza II, Italy 1990 and Microprose Soccer. Also in Fantastic Soccer, ADIDAS Championship Football, England Championship Special, Manchester United TOCG, Liverpool TCG and Kick off the ball is too big. European Football Champ has a slight bloom over it and is pretty choppy. Peter Shilton's Handball Maradonna also has that bloom. In Fighting Soccer everything except the ball is totally washed out. Why?? And it's even choppier than EFC. Roy of the Rovers has no goals?? World Cup Soccer: Italia 90 is also choppy. I play 3D Soccer's graphics were a BAD idea. Graeme Souness International Soccer is slightly choppy.
If the ball/player proportions are a little bit off, that's not bad for the playability. Washed out colours could be a problem for playability. A rather slow game pace doesn't have to be bad. Many/Most players don't have faces, but that's mainly because of the resolution (and perspective). Some games have the ball physics completely wrong, the surface played on must be pretty sticky... All these games with choppy graphics: Is it really the games or some emulator or recording problems?
So choppyness, too slow pace, bad physics and bloomy graphics ruin the games. Bad sfx and music aren't that important: just mute the sound. Playability is of course the most important thing, but that can't be judged just by watching a video.
I think i have to catch up on a good amount of Fußballspiele!
I thought it was Gary Lineker’s superstar soccer, not just superstar soccer.
I had a few of them games I am totally with you on the number 1
You said every football game. You didn't restrict yourself to merely ASSOCIATION football...
Championship was my fave (3rd place) when I bought my C64 the cart was included. Played it for yonks. Back then, I thought the graphics were great.
oh damn i remember playing microprose soccer with friends all day, every day xD
2. is amazing considering it's a C64 game. it looks better and smoother than some DOS games that came out later. woah.
The Graeme souness one looks really good, surprised it's not higher
@omg. Another good video pal
Street cred footy was great on my mates Specy back in the day
Right Amiga had amazing footy games. I had 1 great footy game on the C64 so I see where it is on the list. It was No 2😊
well i love both 1 and 2 in this list tbh
Microprose soccer looks like it made for another console. If I hadn't played it back when I was a kid I've been thought looking at screenshots and videos that it was from the Master system
What I remember most about international soccer was the fact it was on cartridge and so was instantly playable and...
You could run the entire pitch with the ball on your head!
Lol yeah
Greath job. Best moment? When u say 'avoid like a ple ague ! Muhuhahahuhua.
Endless time spent playing Microprose Soccer. Germany super hard to beat!! Great game and deserved to win!
You madman, you did it! You played every footy game on the C64. And considering how many bad ones there are, that is quite an achievement!
P.S.: There seems to be a typo in the title. It says "is" instead of "in". ;)
oh...lol i never even noticed that...ill change it now thanks :-)
International Soccer gets my vote and on cartridge as well.
There is also A six a side soccer version of the microprose soccer which I like more cos is faster but little bit more difficult IMO
Nice video bud
I played Five A Side back on the day
Hi and congrats for your retro knowledge.
I wanted to know this : which is a a C64 football gams where is not too difficult score and Ai is rather forgiving?
I ask as beginner :)
Thanks again !
International soccer or emlyn Hughes is pretty easy
@@oldstylegaming
Thanks if I m correct Hughes is evolution of 1983 international soccer
And one last thing sorry: from 90's if you know ,Wembley international soccer for Amiga is a very good game?
Thanks!!
i agree microprose soccer was the best, and talking of ridiculous curling of the ball, you could change the settings so the ball would do a full circle
I could predict #1 even before i see the vídeo. Micropose Soccer os a great game and is miles ahead of the competiition. Great memóries playing that game
Wading through the muck so we don't have to. Thanks :)
definitely mate...im all waded out but doing a good video next on the FM- Towns so that will make up for the crap ive played here
@@oldstylegaming nice! Looking forward to it.