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Where did he get his definition of intersectionality? He clearly didn't get it from the source. He could have at least referred to Google before he tried to educate someone else.
Soliloquy Love when someone hears a term used incorrectly so many times, they don't feel that they have to check for a source. See also: people who think white privilege isn't real because Beyonce is rich.
It's so dishonest to talk confidently about subjects one doesn't fully understand. If credibility is what those men crave, it's often a lot better to say 'I don't know, let's ask an expert!'
ladydontekno - A key issue here is that EVERYONE thinks they are experts on everything these days (at least online)... people share "opinions" in a "yeah, see..." fashion in friendly environments and share them in a "your dumb because..." fashion in more hostile environments (aka trolling). This is pointless. Another point I'd like to make is that maybe Dax was just wrong. He may have been told something about intersectionality that is pretty far away from what the term was actually created to describe. That doesn't mean he's craving power. I think that's a dangerous idea and closes the door on conversations that need to be had.
Listening to that was so frustrating. Like, I genuinely cannot comprehend people (esp. white people/men/etc.) who confidently speak on subjects they clearly don't understand. I have to think about things several times in my head before I say them out loud much less on a public platform that will be archived for all time. I guess knowing that anything you say will be taken seriously and viewed charitably will give you the confidence to just say whatever and not bother truly educating yourself on the matter beforehand or at the very least come from a place of humility and desire to understand. What's a shame is that I bet so many of the listeners of that show are just gonna nod their heads and accept what he's saying without thinking critically or seeking out more information just because he's a white guy. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'm currently debating with someone now who got their understanding of intersectionality from Ben Shapiro. (I actually care about this person so I decided to take this on) It's frightening to see how many people really believe that rhetoric.
When I first started watching this video, I was preparing to hear how off that white guy's definition of intersectionality would be, but I did not expect just how bad his definition was. It was so bad it made me cringe. Your discussion of intersectionality in this video is so right on. I work at a community college in California and one of the things we emphasize as educators is the idea of equity. People in general talk about equality (which duh, yeah that's important), but rarely is there discussion of equity (which is something we need to have). Intersectionality helps us to have that discussion about equity. I enjoyed this video tremendously. Thank you!
As a social worker serving survivors of domestic violence, we use an intersectional feminist framework for understanding the multiple forms of oppression that survivors may face based on their individual challenges, including gender, race, ethnicity, age, class, number of children, pregnancy, immigration status, criminal history, credit history or lack thereof, and so much more that strongly affect what kinds of goals they set for themselves and the challenges they face in reaching those goals. Without that intersectional framework, we would not be nearly as able to assist the people who come to us for help. Intersectionality is important and useful in serving survivors of domestic and sexual violence because without recognizing the forms of oppression that people face, we cannot address that oppression.
White make perspective on this: This teaching starts by ranking people by race and gender and gives you the ranking that the kkk would agree on. If you’re a white man with a healthy mindset where you approach people as individuals like you’re supposed to. This functions as a big fat injection of kkk logic and then shames you for thinking what you were just taught and encouraged you to police the world while wrestling with yourself. In many cases this teaching takes people with the right approach and makes them nutjob white saviors. What Dax is talking about is this effect. He said none of the things you projected into him.
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You're absolutely correct about the need to elevate voices that have been suppressed by our social systems. However, why should we stop at factors such as race or gender when we can expand the concept of marginalization to all identifiable social groups? For example, when it comes to maintenance of commercial aircrafts, engineers and mechanics have taken up too much space in the conversation. It's time to tell those aeronautical engineering to be quiet so we can hear what florists and bakers have to say about whether or not an jet engine is functioning correctly.
Are you implying that straight white men are more qualified to speak on systems of racial and gender oppression than those who suffer under it in the same what that an engineer is more qualified than a florist to talk about engineering?
@@niaranoctyrna3754 If lived experience is more important than objective analysis, then there is no reason that race and gender should be the only subjects on which data is obtained primarily from lived experiences. This is why I want to start applying the same logic to subjects like aviation, where the results of adjusting policy based on previously undervalued ideas can be enjoyed by allies who support marginalized voices. If you trust the mechanic who decided not to service a plane's engines because his tarot cards told him that no maintenance is required, step right onto that plane and enjoy your flight.
This video makes me never want to talk to a white man ever again. WTF IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE! Don't fucking speak about things you don't know about, Dax. Thank you for spreading light on this.
Where did he say anything about owning every story. He just said he was troubled by the idea that you can't understand someone's story if you haven't experienced it. That has nothing to do with ownership and everything to do with whether or not you can relate and empathize with people with substantially different backgrounds than your own. Also, are you suggesting that intersectional feminists don't pass on the idea that marginalization is additive? Whether it was the creator's intent or not, these feminists absolutely do go around acting like there is a hierarchy of oppression that depends on how many marginalized groups a person fits in. The problem with that is that it's just wrong. For example, those intersectional feminists tend to argue that black women have it worse than black men because they have to deal with the problems associated with being black and being women. In some cases, that's true, however, it's not true that being a woman is always to your detriment. For example, when it comes to things like the criminal justice system, family court, and, in some cases, college recruitment, being a woman can actually work in your favor. In those cases, being a black woman puts a person in a better position than being a black man. You say intersectional theory is about giving a voice to those who don't have it. Black feminists tend to argue that black men are the ones that need to shut up, and black women need to speak. Ok, but if that's true why is it that black women's problems are the ones that are being addressed? Look at the stats, compared to black men, black women are the ones that are progressing and black men are sliding. If black men are the ones that get all the attention and have the voice, how come black men's problems are never truly addressed. Sure we talk about police brutality as it relates to black men, but what about the high suicide rate among black men or the terrible treatment black boys get in schools? I won't say intersectional theory would have you ignore those problems, but when people push the idea that group identity is the main factor in determining how oppression works, it will definitely lead to some injustices being ignored.
Intersectionality is a great tool for leftist politics. I agree. But it is NOT a great tool to address the most specific women`s issues. Sure, it is a fact that poor black women have it worst in US society, because their problems resulting from discrimination accumulate. But that does NOT mean that white people are more misogynistic, (or as I like to phrase it:) adhere more to the "cult of straight cis male supremacy", than people of colour. And there is the great blind spot of Intersectionality. Looking around the world you see prime examples of a real and dangerous patriarchy in many developing countries. "Patriarchy" in the original meaning of the word, of a father (or other male head of family) who holds the power of live and death over his wive(s) and children (mostly affecting daughters) in his hands. This expresses itself e.g. in the "custom" of child marriage. To make this absolutely clear: This is not a "genetic" or "racial" trait, this is just unbroken tradition. "Bad" culture/tradition/religion in favour of men (disenfranchising women and LGBTQ-people) existed and exists EVERYWHERE, it comes in all "colours". The difference is, that we fought it longer in the "West" and made some real achievements here. Achievements (e.g. rights) that we HAVE TO PROTECT. Pretending that the problem of "straight cis male supremacy" does not exist in coloured men, is a dangerous misconception. It comes from an over-compensation for the (grave and real) injustice that is especially affecting black men. I fully understand the sentiment. But one "bad" thing cannot be ignored because another "bad" thing exists, too. Two things can be "bad" at the same time: A man can be the victim of racism AND a gay-hater and misogynist who e.g beats his wive. (And no: It does not have to be the case that he beats her because of racism: This "causation" is often a false one. "Straight cis male supremacy" is a problem in itself, exists without any other contributing reason. Looking around the world AND history proofs the point.) We cannot throw women and LGBTQ-people under the bus because we fear that helping them in their real needs will hurt e.g. men of colour. NO. We have to stand up against both, racism and "straight cis male supremacy". But we should never belittle the problems of women and LGBTQ-people. Those problems have to be tackled, no matter where they occur.
thank you for this. sadly, the way intersectionality is most often taken up by maintream (white) academic feminism is not wholly unlike this jacked up understanding of it. intersectionality = critique of representationalist politcs (it is NOT a form of representationalist politics)
it just upsets me when these liberal hollywood guys that i really like and whose work i enjoy come out here and just show they're completely ignorant on what they're talking about. idk why but it just makes me cringe so hard when i hear stuff like 'im nervous about what words I'm choosing! I'm probably gonna offend someone here!' like just say your piece and accept constructive criticism. don't go in assuming you have all the answers. it's like they're simultaneously acknowledging that to be rich, white and male is to be privileged but also terrified beyond belief to admit that that privilege is significant or affects how qualified they are to speak on these issues.
Hot Take: Intersectionality is just a re-branding of Dialectics. To achieve a just synthesis of perspectives in society, you have to listen to/voice all of them.
A dumb take. Dialectics focus on the quality of points/arguments being made. You’re supposed to respond to the actual arguments. Intersectionality is more about the source of the arguments being made, rather than the arguments themselves. You’re looking at the person’s identity and then using that to contextualize their actual points.
anarchopac did a good video that would complement your video where he breaks down this bad definition of intersectionalism which ben shapiro spouted as well
I'm curious, how does intersectionality conceptualise non-discriminatory disparities and how do you quantify the difference? Is it case by case? thanks
The problem is not the fear of "giving different people the microphone". It is that the microphone is taken away from people who are seen as not having enough intersections. Case in point, universities across the US (like Evergreen) where at certain meetings, you cannot voice your message as a white man. That is being actively denied the power of speech, far more blatant than the concept of getting access to avenues of free speech that intersectionlists speak about. That is the problem with intersectionality. A movement is only as good in its definition as how it is practiced. And intersectionailty often encourages the practise of this kind of oppression Olympics, where you are denied speech if you do not have enough or any intersections. And this movement is taking root in colleges, and that is extremely dangerous to the concept of free speech.
"Strike down the white man, that would be nice" is that really OK? Whilst we are being asked to redefine words, avoid microaggressions, words of violence, and yet that is OK? It seriously weakens the argument. Unless this is all comedy.
I was looking at the Wikipedia page for intersectionality after watching this video and it's interesting how a lot of critics of it are pro-israel (and also don't seem to understand it).
Intersectionality is the unique marginalization that one develops by having multiple marginalized identities, not a summation of them... black women have specific discrimination/sterotypes they deal with by virtue of being black women. Hispanic women have specific discrimination they deal with by being hispanic women and so on with Asian women. Its not simply about stacking oppression lol though there is a component of that with obviously a black queer person is foing ot have it worse than a white queer person. Queer folks in a certain space for example that their gender isn't really as much of an issue was their sexual orientation (esp if we are speaking of a feminine gay man ve a lesbian woman).
So what is the "ask" of intersectionality? We compile all the different ways that the rest of the world can be mean to us......then what? What is the end goal of the theory?
..."there's never gonna be, like, a definitive knowledge or a definitive experience for all of us to come together and strike down the white man... 😃 I mean, that would be nice... but that's not really how it works." ... I am not critiquing you as a person, Kim... I am sure you are cool and a nice person to be around but, it's this kind of thinking that really makes me fearful about the progress of humanity. This sounds like you believe that if there were a place and a time that people could live in harmony, not based on our individual qualities but the content of our character, that you'd be perfectly fine with that not including "the white man". I am not sure if the intention in your choice of words is literal(white, men) or, to me what sounds like a metaphor for all the people with white skin. Maybe, hopefully, I am wrong because either way it's complicated and tied up in a lot of overarching thoughts, theories, ideas, philosophies, experiences, and expectations. That's why I don't record myself and post it on the internet in hopes of convincing others or to clarify to others what other people have said or mean by what they say. Maybe it would have been more productive to try and contact Dax Sheppard and ask him personally what he meant or to clarify his point. This would have been a great opportunity to start a conversation with the actual person that you are trying to convince people of that he is wrong or misguided in his thoughts. That conversation would have been much more interesting to listen to and then you could have talk to him about his role in the iconic movie 'Idiocracy'. I highly recommend that movie if you haven't seen it already. @KimberlyNFoster @daxshepard @kentremendous
While intersectionality may not convey extra authority on a person just by virtue of how many oppressed (whether historically or otherwise) categories they fit into, or how many minorities they happen to be part of, it does place an emphasis on these things as being the milestones by which to measure how much certain groups of people deserve to be listened to, taken seriously, and even placed in positions of power, i.e. diversity quotas in business, etc. Now, before I proceed, let me just comment by saying that any analysis of the history of the USA must conclude that African Americans, and what is left of the original Native American Indian have a very very strong claim to being the most marginalized, excluded, mistreated (with justifiable claims of genocide in the case of Indians), and oppressed minorities the USA has. However, this presumes that this idea of intersectionality is somehow a good way to equalize these past injustices, I do not agree with this, and I regret that this attempt to rectify past injustices has taken this form which uses a logic of oppression (logic is generous as it sometimes irrational) that isn't without some claims to validity but unfortunately when it is played out in practice ends up disregarding so many things that are also incontrovertibly true, like, maybe the fact that the USA is majority Caucasian country has something (not the only thing) to do with white people making up the majority of the positions of power. Or maybe peoples merit also has something to do with it, i.e. people actually have worked to get where they are and it not simply all being due to privilege. I could go on and on but you get the idea.
I wish I could share this with some white friends of mine who haven't been sensitive to my feelings and thoughts as a woman of color. I don't want to pressure but if you could do it could you do a video on how to talk to people like that in your own life?
Wanted to check out others opinion on intersectionality and it's almost always some black woman talking about it, which might be fine. Though it generates a bubble, which you should be careful about, given that you want honest critique on a scientific theory to converge towards objective truth. I can observe a huge amount of racism (racism in the original meaning of: this person is black so that person has those attributes, or this person is Asian, or this person is white) and sexism (this is a woman, so …, or this is a man, so …) in your comments sections. If you want to combat racism and sexism, you might want to start with yourself.
Intersectionality from what I have seen just labels the majority of the population, regardless of individuals as oppressors which is counterproductive. It also causes lots of infighting and tension intra-communally.
The division was already there, you’ve just avoided it without the term insectionality racism sexism classism existed what makes you think getting rid of it will help, it gives language to the problem allows us to discuss the problem and understand its nuances
What Dax described IS a thing on the super duper far left... but clearly NOT intersectionality. I'd say it's not white male paranoia either, but as a white male, you wouldn't believe me.
W Jasen Mummert incorrect the so called super duper far left wants to dismantle hierarchy not enforce it under the guise of inclusion for people of color or women . These so “analyzing the left videos” are a lump of confusion and do nothing to help with this distinction, arguably there are bourgeois feminists also given the name of white feminists that want to continue the status quo under female control whereas as a leftist would want to destroy the table rather than to extend it. But this is the result of the moderate left “Democrats” and Green Party appropriating far left terminology
The point you made that, paraphrasing, men have been socialized to center themselves in all interactions is so on the nose. The moment in history has come for hwhite men to recognize that they cannot and should not always be the protagonist in every story. I want to see women and people of color as the leaders, the heroes, and the protagonists. Those are the stories I want to hear right now. The idea of men needing to center themselves helped me pinpoint why for instance Beto's presidential campaign has not sat right with me from the start. He seems to want to be the star of the show and it is not a good look for him. He should be emphatically recognizing his privilege and making women the star of his campaign. He's not doing that so he shouldn't be running. Thanks for the videos.
Are you even listening to the words coming out of your own mouth? All these things you’re saying are literally the things that keep division in our society alive. If we ever want to actually live in peace we need to stop putting everyone into categories and just see eachother as people.
It's interesting also how your argument rests on the idea that no one can know somebody else's experience and yet you talk about this white guy as having colonial behaviour, I mean come on this is hilarious. At least try and come up with a rule/principle which you can apply to both!
So you're saying that intersectionality is a way of telling stories of the "multiple forms of oppression" people experience. and the whole point of telling the story is??? To gain moral authority over your "oppressors" so you can talk down to them... and tell them to go to the back of the line. IT IS A POWER STRUCTURE meant for professional victims.
You literally just proved what’s wrong with intersectionality: assuming people have privileges by virtue of their color, race and religion etc. , thereby putting the white man at the top privilege pyramid which is laughable. The fact that u have to qualify his opinions by saying he’s a white man says everything I need to know. What if he was a black perosne like me or Larry Elder or Candace Owens? Do our opinions then hold weight or are we dismissed for having “internalized racism”?
You're saying that white men have said enough and should just shut up forever. How does that not support these guys' interpretation of intersectionality, that it's just trying to create a new hierarchy? You moderate that idea elsewhere in the video by saying white men just need to share platforms more with women and people of color, but it looks like the kind of motte and bailey shenanigans that so often show up in progressive discourse. This is why people get paranoid.
@Hari Narayan Khalsa No one is saying that. The point was that a White Guy does not understand the experience of a Black woman in the same way that a Black man does not understand the experience of a Gay Latino. In order to have this understanding, we have to actually listen with the intent of wanting to learn. Im not sure what is so controversial about this.
People like you get paranoid because you clearly need to work things through within yourself first but choose not to and thus project negative energy onto others. #getitthefucktogetherchad
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Where did he get his definition of intersectionality? He clearly didn't get it from the source. He could have at least referred to Google before he tried to educate someone else.
Probably Ben Shapiro. Dax's language sounds eerily similar to a video Shapiro did "explaining" it
Dear Black people! Liberalism is a mental disorder!
Karl Marx didn't care about blacks so why do you fools buy into Marxism?
Soliloquy Love when someone hears a term used incorrectly so many times, they don't feel that they have to check for a source. See also: people who think white privilege isn't real because Beyonce is rich.
All white people believe this shit because they're paranoid about getting their just desserts.
that definition made me cringe
and yet people repeat it all the time T_T pls stop
Me too. I wonder why he didn't research this and view the original source material
It's so dishonest to talk confidently about subjects one doesn't fully understand. If credibility is what those men crave, it's often a lot better to say 'I don't know, let's ask an expert!'
Keith Johnson the problem is that they already think they're the experts.
ladydontekno - A key issue here is that EVERYONE thinks they are experts on everything these days (at least online)... people share "opinions" in a "yeah, see..." fashion in friendly environments and share them in a "your dumb because..." fashion in more hostile environments (aka trolling). This is pointless. Another point I'd like to make is that maybe Dax was just wrong. He may have been told something about intersectionality that is pretty far away from what the term was actually created to describe. That doesn't mean he's craving power. I think that's a dangerous idea and closes the door on conversations that need to be had.
Listening to that was so frustrating. Like, I genuinely cannot comprehend people (esp. white people/men/etc.) who confidently speak on subjects they clearly don't understand. I have to think about things several times in my head before I say them out loud much less on a public platform that will be archived for all time.
I guess knowing that anything you say will be taken seriously and viewed charitably will give you the confidence to just say whatever and not bother truly educating yourself on the matter beforehand or at the very least come from a place of humility and desire to understand.
What's a shame is that I bet so many of the listeners of that show are just gonna nod their heads and accept what he's saying without thinking critically or seeking out more information just because he's a white guy.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
B A I cringed when they laughed
It was a blatant strawman
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I'm currently debating with someone now who got their understanding of intersectionality from Ben Shapiro. (I actually care about this person so I decided to take this on) It's frightening to see how many people really believe that rhetoric.
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When I first started watching this video, I was preparing to hear how off that white guy's definition of intersectionality would be, but I did not expect just how bad his definition was. It was so bad it made me cringe.
Your discussion of intersectionality in this video is so right on. I work at a community college in California and one of the things we emphasize as educators is the idea of equity. People in general talk about equality (which duh, yeah that's important), but rarely is there discussion of equity (which is something we need to have). Intersectionality helps us to have that discussion about equity.
I enjoyed this video tremendously. Thank you!
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I hope you share this post with Dax to educated him on the topic.
47 white men tried to interrupt you, but then realized it was a UA-cam video
I actually paused the video to yell at the screen six times before reaching the end.
As a social worker serving survivors of domestic violence, we use an intersectional feminist framework for understanding the multiple forms of oppression that survivors may face based on their individual challenges, including gender, race, ethnicity, age, class, number of children, pregnancy, immigration status, criminal history, credit history or lack thereof, and so much more that strongly affect what kinds of goals they set for themselves and the challenges they face in reaching those goals. Without that intersectional framework, we would not be nearly as able to assist the people who come to us for help. Intersectionality is important and useful in serving survivors of domestic and sexual violence because without recognizing the forms of oppression that people face, we cannot address that oppression.
We will speak whenever we want.
What!? How the hell did Dax get that definition???
Informative information...spot on!
Great to see a vid on this, enlightening! Your hair is gorgeous BTW
White make perspective on this:
This teaching starts by ranking people by race and gender and gives you the ranking that the kkk would agree on. If you’re a white man with a healthy mindset where you approach people as individuals like you’re supposed to. This functions as a big fat injection of kkk logic and then shames you for thinking what you were just taught and encouraged you to police the world while wrestling with yourself.
In many cases this teaching takes people with the right approach and makes them nutjob white saviors.
What Dax is talking about is this effect.
He said none of the things you projected into him.
No one has the same experience so why are we categorizing oppressions?
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"That would be nice"
Says it all
Wtf 😂 'power'? They are so scared of losing it that they have neurotic psychotic fears. 😂
That was awkward. Ruins his wife's work for me.
I completely get his description is horribly wrong, so what channels would you suggest.
Thank you!
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You're absolutely correct about the need to elevate voices that have been suppressed by our social systems. However, why should we stop at factors such as race or gender when we can expand the concept of marginalization to all identifiable social groups? For example, when it comes to maintenance of commercial aircrafts, engineers and mechanics have taken up too much space in the conversation. It's time to tell those aeronautical engineering to be quiet so we can hear what florists and bakers have to say about whether or not an jet engine is functioning correctly.
Are you implying that straight white men are more qualified to speak on systems of racial and gender oppression than those who suffer under it in the same what that an engineer is more qualified than a florist to talk about engineering?
@@niaranoctyrna3754 If lived experience is more important than objective analysis, then there is no reason that race and gender should be the only subjects on which data is obtained primarily from lived experiences. This is why I want to start applying the same logic to subjects like aviation, where the results of adjusting policy based on previously undervalued ideas can be enjoyed by allies who support marginalized voices. If you trust the mechanic who decided not to service a plane's engines because his tarot cards told him that no maintenance is required, step right onto that plane and enjoy your flight.
I don’t even know what that word is
This video makes me never want to talk to a white man ever again. WTF IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE! Don't fucking speak about things you don't know about, Dax. Thank you for spreading light on this.
Where did he say anything about owning every story. He just said he was troubled by the idea that you can't understand someone's story if you haven't experienced it. That has nothing to do with ownership and everything to do with whether or not you can relate and empathize with people with substantially different backgrounds than your own.
Also, are you suggesting that intersectional feminists don't pass on the idea that marginalization is additive? Whether it was the creator's intent or not, these feminists absolutely do go around acting like there is a hierarchy of oppression that depends on how many marginalized groups a person fits in. The problem with that is that it's just wrong. For example, those intersectional feminists tend to argue that black women have it worse than black men because they have to deal with the problems associated with being black and being women. In some cases, that's true, however, it's not true that being a woman is always to your detriment. For example, when it comes to things like the criminal justice system, family court, and, in some cases, college recruitment, being a woman can actually work in your favor. In those cases, being a black woman puts a person in a better position than being a black man. You say intersectional theory is about giving a voice to those who don't have it. Black feminists tend to argue that black men are the ones that need to shut up, and black women need to speak. Ok, but if that's true why is it that black women's problems are the ones that are being addressed? Look at the stats, compared to black men, black women are the ones that are progressing and black men are sliding. If black men are the ones that get all the attention and have the voice, how come black men's problems are never truly addressed. Sure we talk about police brutality as it relates to black men, but what about the high suicide rate among black men or the terrible treatment black boys get in schools? I won't say intersectional theory would have you ignore those problems, but when people push the idea that group identity is the main factor in determining how oppression works, it will definitely lead to some injustices being ignored.
Intersectionality is a great tool for leftist politics. I agree. But it is NOT a great tool to address the most specific women`s issues. Sure, it is a fact that poor black women have it worst in US society, because their problems resulting from discrimination accumulate. But that does NOT mean that white people are more misogynistic, (or as I like to phrase it:) adhere more to the "cult of straight cis male supremacy", than people of colour. And there is the great blind spot of Intersectionality.
Looking around the world you see prime examples of a real and dangerous patriarchy in many developing countries. "Patriarchy" in the original meaning of the word, of a father (or other male head of family) who holds the power of live and death over his wive(s) and children (mostly affecting daughters) in his hands. This expresses itself e.g. in the "custom" of child marriage.
To make this absolutely clear: This is not a "genetic" or "racial" trait, this is just unbroken tradition. "Bad" culture/tradition/religion in favour of men (disenfranchising women and LGBTQ-people) existed and exists EVERYWHERE, it comes in all "colours". The difference is, that we fought it longer in the "West" and made some real achievements here. Achievements (e.g. rights) that we HAVE TO PROTECT.
Pretending that the problem of "straight cis male supremacy" does not exist in coloured men, is a dangerous misconception. It comes from an over-compensation for the (grave and real) injustice that is especially affecting black men. I fully understand the sentiment.
But one "bad" thing cannot be ignored because another "bad" thing exists, too. Two things can be "bad" at the same time: A man can be the victim of racism AND a gay-hater and misogynist who e.g beats his wive. (And no: It does not have to be the case that he beats her because of racism: This "causation" is often a false one. "Straight cis male supremacy" is a problem in itself, exists without any other contributing reason. Looking around the world AND history proofs the point.)
We cannot throw women and LGBTQ-people under the bus because we fear that helping them in their real needs will hurt e.g. men of colour. NO. We have to stand up against both, racism and "straight cis male supremacy". But we should never belittle the problems of women and LGBTQ-people. Those problems have to be tackled, no matter where they occur.
Nice, well said. 👍
thank you for this. sadly, the way intersectionality is most often taken up by maintream (white) academic feminism is not wholly unlike this jacked up understanding of it. intersectionality = critique of representationalist politcs (it is NOT a form of representationalist politics)
it just upsets me when these liberal hollywood guys that i really like and whose work i enjoy come out here and just show they're completely ignorant on what they're talking about. idk why but it just makes me cringe so hard when i hear stuff like 'im nervous about what words I'm choosing! I'm probably gonna offend someone here!' like just say your piece and accept constructive criticism. don't go in assuming you have all the answers. it's like they're simultaneously acknowledging that to be rich, white and male is to be privileged but also terrified beyond belief to admit that that privilege is significant or affects how qualified they are to speak on these issues.
Hot Take: Intersectionality is just a re-branding of Dialectics. To achieve a just synthesis of perspectives in society, you have to listen to/voice all of them.
A dumb take. Dialectics focus on the quality of points/arguments being made. You’re supposed to respond to the actual arguments.
Intersectionality is more about the source of the arguments being made, rather than the arguments themselves. You’re looking at the person’s identity and then using that to contextualize their actual points.
@@dathunderman4 true, but one can argue having a specific source in some contexts increases the quality of the argument...again in some contexts
anarchopac did a good video that would complement your video where he breaks down this bad definition of intersectionalism which ben shapiro spouted as well
His definition of intersectionality and how it plays out was spot on for me 🤷🏾♀️
I'm curious, how does intersectionality conceptualise non-discriminatory disparities and how do you quantify the difference? Is it case by case? thanks
The problem is not the fear of "giving different people the microphone". It is that the microphone is taken away from people who are seen as not having enough intersections. Case in point, universities across the US (like Evergreen) where at certain meetings, you cannot voice your message as a white man. That is being actively denied the power of speech, far more blatant than the concept of getting access to avenues of free speech that intersectionlists speak about. That is the problem with intersectionality. A movement is only as good in its definition as how it is practiced. And intersectionailty often encourages the practise of this kind of oppression Olympics, where you are denied speech if you do not have enough or any intersections. And this movement is taking root in colleges, and that is extremely dangerous to the concept of free speech.
"Strike down the white man, that would be nice" is that really OK? Whilst we are being asked to redefine words, avoid microaggressions, words of violence, and yet that is OK? It seriously weakens the argument. Unless this is all comedy.
I was looking at the Wikipedia page for intersectionality after watching this video and it's interesting how a lot of critics of it are pro-israel (and also don't seem to understand it).
So basically, the fact that I was born with blue eyes and blonde hair means I need to stfu and go die, automatically, no matter what. Sweet.
No one ever said that.
Love this
Intersectionality is the unique marginalization that one develops by having multiple marginalized identities, not a summation of them... black women have specific discrimination/sterotypes they deal with by virtue of being black women. Hispanic women have specific discrimination they deal with by being hispanic women and so on with Asian women.
Its not simply about stacking oppression lol though there is a component of that with obviously a black queer person is foing ot have it worse than a white queer person. Queer folks in a certain space for example that their gender isn't really as much of an issue was their sexual orientation (esp if we are speaking of a feminine gay man ve a lesbian woman).
So what is the "ask" of intersectionality? We compile all the different ways that the rest of the world can be mean to us......then what? What is the end goal of the theory?
..."there's never gonna be, like, a definitive knowledge or a definitive experience for all of us to come together and strike down the white man...
😃 I mean, that would be nice... but that's not really how it works." ...
I am not critiquing you as a person, Kim... I am sure you are cool and a nice person to be around but, it's this kind of thinking that really makes me fearful about the progress of humanity. This sounds like you believe that if there were a place and a time that people could live in harmony, not based on our individual qualities but the content of our character, that you'd be perfectly fine with that not including "the white man". I am not sure if the intention in your choice of words is literal(white, men) or, to me what sounds like a metaphor for all the people with white skin. Maybe, hopefully, I am wrong because either way it's complicated and tied up in a lot of overarching thoughts, theories, ideas, philosophies, experiences, and expectations. That's why I don't record myself and post it on the internet in hopes of convincing others or to clarify to others what other people have said or mean by what they say. Maybe it would have been more productive to try and contact Dax Sheppard and ask him personally what he meant or to clarify his point. This would have been a great opportunity to start a conversation with the actual person that you are trying to convince people of that he is wrong or misguided in his thoughts. That conversation would have been much more interesting to listen to and then you could have talk to him about his role in the iconic movie 'Idiocracy'. I highly recommend that movie if you haven't seen it already.
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To me I feel like this video spreads so much hate. The aim shouldn’t be to raise one group up by dragging another down.
While intersectionality may not convey extra authority on a person just by virtue of how many oppressed (whether historically or otherwise) categories they fit into, or how many minorities they happen to be part of, it does place an emphasis on these things as being the milestones by which to measure how much certain groups of people deserve to be listened to, taken seriously, and even placed in positions of power, i.e. diversity quotas in business, etc. Now, before I proceed, let me just comment by saying that any analysis of the history of the USA must conclude that African Americans, and what is left of the original Native American Indian have a very very strong claim to being the most marginalized, excluded, mistreated (with justifiable claims of genocide in the case of Indians), and oppressed minorities the USA has. However, this presumes that this idea of intersectionality is somehow a good way to equalize these past injustices, I do not agree with this, and I regret that this attempt to rectify past injustices has taken this form which uses a logic of oppression (logic is generous as it sometimes irrational) that isn't without some claims to validity but unfortunately when it is played out in practice ends up disregarding so many things that are also incontrovertibly true, like, maybe the fact that the USA is majority Caucasian country has something (not the only thing) to do with white people making up the majority of the positions of power. Or maybe peoples merit also has something to do with it, i.e. people actually have worked to get where they are and it not simply all being due to privilege. I could go on and on but you get the idea.
I wish I could share this with some white friends of mine who haven't been sensitive to my feelings and thoughts as a woman of color. I don't want to pressure but if you could do it could you do a video on how to talk to people like that in your own life?
wait your from oklahoma? where abouts? I'm in tulsa
Wanted to check out others opinion on intersectionality and it's almost always some black woman talking about it, which might be fine. Though it generates a bubble, which you should be careful about, given that you want honest critique on a scientific theory to converge towards objective truth. I can observe a huge amount of racism (racism in the original meaning of: this person is black so that person has those attributes, or this person is Asian, or this person is white) and sexism (this is a woman, so …, or this is a man, so …) in your comments sections. If you want to combat racism and sexism, you might want to start with yourself.
I cringed so hard at that podcast clip lol
Intersectionality from what I have seen just labels the majority of the population, regardless of individuals as oppressors which is counterproductive. It also causes lots of infighting and tension intra-communally.
It's oppression olympics at it's finest.
The division was already there, you’ve just avoided it without the term insectionality racism sexism classism existed what makes you think getting rid of it will help, it gives language to the problem allows us to discuss the problem and understand its nuances
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We can confront all of those things without labelling people as oppressors.
What Dax described IS a thing on the super duper far left... but clearly NOT intersectionality. I'd say it's not white male paranoia either, but as a white male, you wouldn't believe me.
W Jasen Mummert incorrect the so called super duper far left wants to dismantle hierarchy not enforce it under the guise of inclusion for people of color or women . These so “analyzing the left videos” are a lump of confusion and do nothing to help with this distinction, arguably there are bourgeois feminists also given the name of white feminists that want to continue the status quo under female control whereas as a leftist would want to destroy the table rather than to extend it. But this is the result of the moderate left “Democrats” and Green Party appropriating far left terminology
I’m sorry- I changed your likes from 666 to 667. It was me. But I had to like it. 😏
Oof I used to like Dax Shepard but this clip does not make him look good
Dax Shephard representing all white men...
The point you made that, paraphrasing, men have been socialized to center themselves in all interactions is so on the nose. The moment in history has come for hwhite men to recognize that they cannot and should not always be the protagonist in every story. I want to see women and people of color as the leaders, the heroes, and the protagonists. Those are the stories I want to hear right now.
The idea of men needing to center themselves helped me pinpoint why for instance Beto's presidential campaign has not sat right with me from the start. He seems to want to be the star of the show and it is not a good look for him. He should be emphatically recognizing his privilege and making women the star of his campaign. He's not doing that so he shouldn't be running. Thanks for the videos.
Is that Mose?
Your ideological framing is clear, yet you don’t seem to understand your idea of power is ideologically motivated.
"It's you, not us". I'm guessing this lady won't be celebrating Christmas as originally intended.
Omg I'm from Oklahoma too!
Are you even listening to the words coming out of your own mouth? All these things you’re saying are literally the things that keep division in our society alive. If we ever want to actually live in peace we need to stop putting everyone into categories and just see eachother as people.
It's interesting also how your argument rests on the idea that no one can know somebody else's experience and yet you talk about this white guy as having colonial behaviour, I mean come on this is hilarious. At least try and come up with a rule/principle which you can apply to both!
So you're saying that intersectionality is a way of telling stories of the "multiple forms of oppression" people experience. and the whole point of telling the story is??? To gain moral authority over your "oppressors" so you can talk down to them... and tell them to go to the back of the line. IT IS A POWER STRUCTURE meant for professional victims.
You said "white male" so many times I lost count. Seems to me they got it right
he didn't say anything about ownership he said he couldn't understand it like you could but he could understand it.
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You literally just proved what’s wrong with intersectionality: assuming people have privileges by virtue of their color, race and religion etc. , thereby putting the white man at the top privilege pyramid which is laughable. The fact that u have to qualify his opinions by saying he’s a white man says everything I need to know. What if he was a black perosne like me or Larry Elder or Candace Owens? Do our opinions then hold weight or are we dismissed for having “internalized racism”?
You're saying that white men have said enough and should just shut up forever. How does that not support these guys' interpretation of intersectionality, that it's just trying to create a new hierarchy? You moderate that idea elsewhere in the video by saying white men just need to share platforms more with women and people of color, but it looks like the kind of motte and bailey shenanigans that so often show up in progressive discourse. This is why people get paranoid.
Listen to what's actually being said and not what you want to hear. Makes things a lot clearer when you're not trying so hard to be offended.
What is the definition of intersectionality?
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No one is saying that. The point was that a White Guy does not understand the experience of a Black woman in the same way that a Black man does not understand the experience of a Gay Latino. In order to have this understanding, we have to actually listen with the intent of wanting to learn. Im not sure what is so controversial about this.
People like you get paranoid because you clearly need to work things through within yourself first but choose not to and thus project negative energy onto others. #getitthefucktogetherchad
But White Men sign your Pay Check.So.....
I've been self-employed for 4 years.
@@ForHarriet619 Tell.Her 👏👏👏
Aqquippless The Blak Martian and....
Realize that if one did that would help her argument not rebuttal it right? That ownership is concentrated to one demographic right?