I think the reason most people complain about twin fins sliding out and not being good for high performance maneuvers is because the change on the feel and the way of riding vs a thruster is so different. You don’t learn instantly when switching from one setup to the other, you have to invest time and relearn how to surf on that new setup. If you give it the time your begin to rediscover new ways of applying force and release that goes along with your new equipment. When I got my custom twin I almost regret it instantly. It wasn’t until the 2nd month of having that board that I begun to really enjoy it. I now love and do not ride anything but twinnies
Bro I really need to ask you an advice because I just switch to twin fin… when I take off I don’t have speed as usually have with thruster set up… is it normal?? Do u have an advice?? Thank you 🙏
I was just reflecting earlier today about that. I just made the switch from a thruster to a keel twin, and ya like you said you definitely need to relearn how to surf almost. To movements are so much different I feel, and when ur riding a twin fin you definitely have to use your whole body vs the thruster doing most of the work, and kinda of helping you when u make mistakes. That’s just how I felt from riding it a few times.
Thanks Kale, you've just reiterated to me how important the arms are in surfing your best. I do lack this part of my surfing and love these reminders watching your channel and surfing exploits!!! Richo from the Sunnycoast 🤙
I have been riding a twin for a couple of years now and love the speed! Previous board was/ is a 5 fin Bonze. My personnel favorite riders are Torren M, Mikey F and Josh K., all 3 have such style and grace.
I just bought a twin fin fish a couple of weeks ago and have been scouring the internet for videos just like this!!! Love the pitch wobble on the piano in the intro too.
Wow !! What a helpful dig in to surfing twin fin boards ! Super helpful! Advice and tips where you can’t find on any other channel ! 🙌🏽 thank you so much for sharing kale !!
My first board ever was a twin fin. I think it’s a game changer for learning the flow of surfing and really helps you progress your ability in the water.
I think of it as setting the rail in the bottom turn on a twin fin. A little more in an extra pause at the bottom than you would on a thruster, and more smooth and gentle shifting of weight to back foot either front side or back side. it’ll also get you to blast up through the lip. as there’s no better feeling than an off the lip where you get pushed back out onto the flats (for me at least). The speed through carves and coming around from a round house cut back to go up and hit the foam bounce are also nice and faster feeling on a twin fin, but off the lips are the most fun in my experience. sort of a fine line between losing control and having the board right where you want it, it also looks the best style wise bc you’re pushing the envelope...
So helpful with the backhand! Forehand my twinnie feels awesome, but any backside surfing I do I keep sliding out. Can't wait to try the back leg extension tip! Thank you!
Loving these vids. Keen to get back on a twin again. Kale & Josh are close to my fav surfers. Lucky enough to have seen them both surf up close. Wouldn't it be awesome to get them together in the pool. Thanks KB.
Rewatching this again, I'm like... the detail of knowledge at the 7:00 ish mark about back leg extension on the backside... crazy. Crazy level of detail here. You like a PhD of surfing at this point.
I just began surfing on a twin fins, yesterday was my second day on it. I dont know how to explain it, but it just feels pretty good :) I feel a more spontaneus and close relation to the board, like, me and it, we are riding the wave together, as in a normal three fin setup sometimes I felt I was like a passenger on the board, I didnt catch so naturally how it responded to what I was doing. The speed and the skatier feel is also very nice and fun. thanks for the video, very informative and useful. best regards from Santos, Brazil
Hey mate, love surfing twin fins since I tried it at UrbnSurf with you back in March. Board feels more alive and reactive, especially under the back foot. Much more fun than a quad set up in small waves!
I have a five fin set up board and one day I put in the Machado keels twin for fun and it definitely felt like I got the best surfing experience out my board. Strange but true and I’m definitely going to invest in twin fish next.
Can I sugest the most important difference is that doing a single or even double drop wallet is not a style thing but a functional thing on a front side carve. Rasta does this all the time because it works and keeps the rail engaged longer and bringing the board around. If you dont drop the wallet( drop your back arm first ) I reckon you will never be able to feel like you can push it.
Most would say a quad is less ‘pivoty’ than a thruster, but more ‘drivey,’ than thruster and the twin, and Less ‘glide’ than the twin fin. With a twin fin I just think about all that water flowing freely between the fins, giving you that glide and slide freedom, but less control. The center fin in a thruster fin feels to me like a rudder, a point to pivot off of for a more vertical approach on the wave face. The quad dials in aspects of both, some of the speed of a twin fin with more control. All depends on the feeling you want- I personally love the out of control, ‘who knows what it’s going to do’ aspect of a twinny. Also good to think about what shape they’re in- a quad fish and twin fish are going to surf similar compared to a standard hi performance short board. How flat, how thick is the board, how much rocker etc.. Hope I helped!
@@mcdance1311 nicely explained and mirrors my experience too. Quads are great on fast down the line type waves allowing - indeed promoting - speedy slices both bottom and lip where both manoeuvres will generate more speed. The central flat area like a twin allows almost as much face glide without loosing speed enough to lay a full rail swooping cutback. They aren’t as naturally snappy in the pocket, so a thruster 9 times out of ten is better in wedges, peaky beach breaks. Both the thruster and quad are arguably much better on a rail, however, my own twinny as well as many others I’ve seen well ridden are more than happy to hang in on only one fin submerged at virtual right angles to the water. God bless (or whom/what ever) the twin fin. It turned my surfing from very average performances to ones that won me some club outings. Regrets? I have had way more than a few, putting surfing on the back burner easily the most painfully stupid. If there is a god I wouldn’t blame him for displaying the ‘no vacancy’ sign once he learns of the chance I simply squandered.
I absolutely love your videos man. You’ve definitely allowed me to progress a lot more this past year than i would have with out your channel. Thanks brother! Stoked on the daily
Kale I’d love to see you do a comparison of twins from local Aussie shapers like Corey Graham, Gary McNeil etc. love your reviews keep up the good work
Got my first twin its a 6’0, love it only got it for fat slack waves but i cant put it down, now i want a more performance one - simething i can duck dive easier yet still catch plenty of waves
Awesome as usual thanks. More backhand twinny tips please!!! Preferably given by a goofy footer? Can you get vertical on a twinny??? Always watch people make short awkward turns on their backhand…. How do you make them more drawn out?
Hello, thank you for this very interesting video. I find that surfing in twin helps to progress in technique and feeling with the board and the wave. Coach Imbo
Bob Simmons and Steve Lis would definitely not agree with the first sentence that came out of his mouth. Now with that said, Kerr is one of the smoothest new school surfers linking turns and power. Footage of Josh surfing Kermas on a thruster shows his true talent
For me, what is tricky moving from a thruster towards a twin fin is really the backside. Looks like I can not do the pumping to get speed, as I do on the frontside.
Starting to surf in the early 70s with a kfc styrene board and seaing singles squads remember one of my mates getting a new MR twinnie when they first came out such a progression and so jealous thank for the video nice to have the odd old pro on the box still rips
I’ve been loving my twin + 1 setup lately. Ive gone straight twin plenty of times, but my surfing style is more of a power surfer with long hard carves. The straight twin doesn’t let me do that without sliding out, and for me on bigger days bottom turns feel to loose on a straight twin. However the Twin + 1 for me is the sweet spot. It gives me the hold and stability where I need it but still looser then a thruster allowing me to slide the tail off the lip, carve and hold on my drop ins. If you haven’t tried it I highly recommend it 🤙🏾
Old video and niche subject but any chance we could see something that deals with the opposite scenario? I’ve ridden singles and twin fins all my life because of the effortless speed and drive, and am finding it difficult to switch to a thruster when I feel like I want that extra grip and control. Something about the fact that I’m so used to being able to project way out onto the face has me finding difficulty making proper use of that cluster of fins. Also in San Diego, which aside from a few specific waves, lends itself more to twin fins the majority of the year.
Hi Kale. Really love and appreciate you insight into surfing and different style boards. And I've been enjoying this particular review of this board. I'm mostly mid to longboard surfer, but in the last year I've been transitioning down more to high performance type fishboards. Such as the lost r&f redux. Don't know if you've had a chance to review the r&f? How does the shape and style compare to the twins men? Just curious. Thanks for all you do 🙏🤙
i accidently surfed a twinnie when my third fin broke. I did a turn and my board just released the tail. i went to look at the bottom of my board and realized the cause for this happy accident...
Great video as always :) I have a question for you. What about size of the board? I am 1.73 cm tall and 65 kg weight, so what size would be adjusted to me? My normal board is between 5'9 and 5'11, 25/26 lts, and from what i've been investigating, a good size for a twin fin, let´s say a Album twnisman to have a good reference, would be somewhere between 5'4, 5'5 or even less and a few liters above my normal, so i guess 28 would be ok. Does it make any sense? I love the skateboard approach that this twin fins give to surfing, and myself coming from a 30 years plus of skateboarding, makes total sense to me :) Can you give some lights here? Thanks
Hey mate great video, hey I'm 56 years old and been on a 5'6 twinnie for the last two years, it's so much fun. Question: is there any advantages in having a longer twinnie as I see so many people with longer ones and I don't quite get it, Cheers Kelvin
What do you mean with “the right conditions”? Are there specific conditions you would want to surf a twinnie in? Btw: great helpful video and good work getting the guest speaker
I couldn't tell which clip was you and which was Josh Kerr! Lol jk. Does Matt Parker shape them and have them glassed here in San Clemente or are some of them shaped and glassed there?
I think the reason most people complain about twin fins sliding out and not being good for high performance maneuvers is because the change on the feel and the way of riding vs a thruster is so different. You don’t learn instantly when switching from one setup to the other, you have to invest time and relearn how to surf on that new setup. If you give it the time your begin to rediscover new ways of applying force and release that goes along with your new equipment. When I got my custom twin I almost regret it instantly. It wasn’t until the 2nd month of having that board that I begun to really enjoy it. I now love and do not ride anything but twinnies
Bro I really need to ask you an advice because I just switch to twin fin… when I take off I don’t have speed as usually have with thruster set up… is it normal?? Do u have an advice?? Thank you 🙏
I was just reflecting earlier today about that. I just made the switch from a thruster to a keel twin, and ya like you said you definitely need to relearn how to surf almost. To movements are so much different I feel, and when ur riding a twin fin you definitely have to use your whole body vs the thruster doing most of the work, and kinda of helping you when u make mistakes. That’s just how I felt from riding it a few times.
@@andreavolpato9160pump brother
Definitely more rail turns versus relying on fins through turns
Wow, when I changed from thruster fin to twin fin I immediately got better 😅
Thanks Kale, you've just reiterated to me how important the arms are in surfing your best. I do lack this part of my surfing and love these reminders watching your channel and surfing exploits!!! Richo from the Sunnycoast 🤙
I have been riding a twin for a couple of years now and love the speed! Previous board was/ is a 5 fin Bonze. My personnel favorite riders are Torren M, Mikey F and Josh K., all 3 have such style and grace.
absolute legend, high arm just changed my twinny surfing. Just had the sickest waves in Mexico. Honestly cheers bro, big UK love to you and Keersy
I just bought a twin fin fish a couple of weeks ago and have been scouring the internet for videos just like this!!! Love the pitch wobble on the piano in the intro too.
This is a great video. Been making and riding twins for years not. Improved my surfing and performance. Cheers
Wow !! What a helpful dig in to surfing twin fin boards ! Super helpful!
Advice and tips where you can’t find on any other channel ! 🙌🏽 thank you so much for sharing kale !!
Glad it was helpful!
My first board ever was a twin fin. I think it’s a game changer for learning the flow of surfing and really helps you progress your ability in the water.
I think of it as setting the rail in the bottom turn on a twin fin. A little more in an extra pause at the bottom than you would on a thruster, and more smooth and gentle shifting of weight to back foot either front side or back side. it’ll also get you to blast up through the lip. as there’s no better feeling than an off the lip where you get pushed back out onto the flats (for me at least). The speed through carves and coming around from a round house cut back to go up and hit the foam bounce are also nice and faster feeling on a twin fin, but off the lips are the most fun in my experience. sort of a fine line between losing control and having the board right where you want it, it also looks the best style wise bc you’re pushing the envelope...
So helpful with the backhand! Forehand my twinnie feels awesome, but any backside surfing I do I keep sliding out. Can't wait to try the back leg extension tip! Thank you!
Josh"s surfing unbelievable. so much fun to watch this guy surfing wow
It's cool how Kerrzy consciously thinks about arm movements to release fins.
Loving these vids. Keen to get back on a twin again. Kale & Josh are close to my fav surfers. Lucky enough to have seen them both surf up close. Wouldn't it be awesome to get them together in the pool. Thanks KB.
Yes!
Rewatching this again, I'm like... the detail of knowledge at the 7:00 ish mark about back leg extension on the backside... crazy. Crazy level of detail here. You like a PhD of surfing at this point.
Thank you. I feel I could as well haha
So much spray from kale there at 5:35 , beyond sick!
Would defos say Asher Pacey was pushing twin fin surfing waaaaaayyyyyy before Josh.
And Rasta before any of them
@@seansamer1343 Rasta Bob?
Steve Lis, David Nuuhiwa, and Mark Richards. Guy's have been riding and pushing twins forever. Bob Simmons created twin fin boards in the 50's!
Lovely episode! Production quality through the roof. Really making some serious improvements. 🙏🏾
keep up the work kale, insane content!
I ordered an album and I dropped your name and the board review🤙🏽
I just began surfing on a twin fins, yesterday was my second day on it. I dont know how to explain it, but it just feels pretty good :) I feel a more spontaneus and close relation to the board, like, me and it, we are riding the wave together, as in a normal three fin setup sometimes I felt I was like a passenger on the board, I didnt catch so naturally how it responded to what I was doing. The speed and the skatier feel is also very nice and fun. thanks for the video, very informative and useful. best regards from Santos, Brazil
🙏🏽🙏🏽
I love the twin fin and will try to raise my back arm high to release the fins. Josh Kerr was ripping and nice tips for us to try 🙏🏾
epic mate, you and Josh look like real brothers
Hey mate, love surfing twin fins since I tried it at UrbnSurf with you back in March. Board feels more alive and reactive, especially under the back foot. Much more fun than a quad set up in small waves!
Yehhh!!!!
Great vid Kale! Love the soundtracks to. Every Video i watch of yours makes me want to get in the water and progress
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I have a five fin set up board and one day I put in the Machado keels twin for fun and it definitely felt like I got the best surfing experience out my board. Strange but true and I’m definitely going to invest in twin fish next.
Kale please explain the diference fin shapes and wich is better. thank
First time viewer, QUALITY CONTENT bruz!
Can I sugest the most important difference is that doing a single or even double drop wallet is not a style thing but a functional thing on a front side carve. Rasta does this all the time because it works and keeps the rail engaged longer and bringing the board around. If you dont drop the wallet( drop your back arm first ) I reckon you will never be able to feel like you can push it.
Thanks for making this Kale… I’d love to see something on step up boards . How to gauge the length and volume. Very little online about it.
Awesome - how does a quad set up compare to both the twin fin and thruster set up?
Most would say a quad is less ‘pivoty’ than a thruster, but more ‘drivey,’ than thruster and the twin, and Less ‘glide’ than the twin fin.
With a twin fin I just think about all that water flowing freely between the fins, giving you that glide and slide freedom, but less control. The center fin in a thruster fin feels to me like a rudder, a point to pivot off of for a more vertical approach on the wave face. The quad dials in aspects of both, some of the speed of a twin fin with more control.
All depends on the feeling you want- I personally love the out of control, ‘who knows what it’s going to do’ aspect of a twinny.
Also good to think about what shape they’re in- a quad fish and twin fish are going to surf similar compared to a standard hi performance short board. How flat, how thick is the board, how much rocker etc..
Hope I helped!
Watch my video on different fin set ups
@@KalesBroccoli thanks Kale will do
@@mcdance1311 nicely explained and mirrors my experience too. Quads are great on fast down the line type waves allowing - indeed promoting - speedy slices both bottom and lip where both manoeuvres will generate more speed. The central flat area like a twin allows almost as much face glide without loosing speed enough to lay a full rail swooping cutback. They aren’t as naturally snappy in the pocket, so a thruster 9 times out of ten is better in wedges, peaky beach breaks. Both the thruster and quad are arguably much better on a rail, however, my own twinny as well as many others I’ve seen well ridden are more than happy to hang in on only one fin submerged at virtual right angles to the water. God bless (or whom/what ever) the twin fin. It turned my surfing from very average performances to ones that won me some club outings. Regrets? I have had way more than a few, putting surfing on the back burner easily the most painfully stupid. If there is a god I wouldn’t blame him for displaying the ‘no vacancy’ sign once he learns of the chance I simply squandered.
Great video! So many tips.
Hi Mr.Brock, love your videos, can you do a video on tips for duck diving bigger surf. Thanks!!!
I enjoy the slide out feeling to recover and keep going.
I absolutely love your videos man. You’ve definitely allowed me to progress a lot more this past year than i would have with out your channel. Thanks brother! Stoked on the daily
Interesting take, definitely will try it
I been riding 2 or 4 fins since the 80s and Kerr on a twinnie is pure magic...would have been epic to see him surf his final CT event on a twin.
would love a dive into the different fins for twins, I have a bullet twin and a 5'2 custom twin fish..wanting to try out smaller fins
Kale I’d love to see you do a comparison of twins from local Aussie shapers like Corey Graham, Gary McNeil etc. love your reviews keep up the good work
Hopefully more coming as we expand our board test series’ 👊🏾
And chuck in a McCoy please
Hey Kale love your videos!
I wanted to ask bro, which is best, the Twinsman or the Lightbender? Thanks!
Got my first twin its a 6’0, love it only got it for fat slack waves but i cant put it down, now i want a more performance one - simething i can duck dive easier yet still catch plenty of waves
Surfing a twin really well is a bit of an art , hopefully one day I will get better at them , I always slide the tail to much . :) . great content
Loving the vids,tail pad or not for the twinsman?
Awesome as usual thanks. More backhand twinny tips please!!! Preferably given by a goofy footer? Can you get vertical on a twinny??? Always watch people make short awkward turns on their backhand…. How do you make them more drawn out?
Goofy / natural same thing
Hello, thank you for this very interesting video. I find that surfing in twin helps to progress in technique and feeling with the board and the wave. Coach Imbo
Great advice! Can’t wait for my Twinsman to arrive.
Are you in Oz? How long is the wait?
@@evancrown5657 yep it’s a long wait - 4 months, I’m about 2 in right now so chomping at the bit!
@@rmtutty8688 Jeez that's a long wait! I heard there's a shortage, but man, that's painful. I'm sure it'll be worth the wait tho. Jealous!
Bob Simmons and Steve Lis would definitely not agree with the first sentence that came out of his mouth. Now with that said, Kerr is one of the smoothest new school surfers linking turns and power.
Footage of Josh surfing Kermas on a thruster shows his true talent
For me, what is tricky moving from a thruster towards a twin fin is really the backside. Looks like I can not do the pumping to get speed, as I do on the frontside.
4:54 might be the best turn I've ever seen you do! snap!
great explanations, too, well done
Thank you !
Starting to surf in the early 70s with a kfc styrene board and seaing singles squads remember one of my mates getting a new MR twinnie when they first came out such a progression and so jealous thank for the video nice to have the odd old pro on the box still rips
*great insight*
This was a great video. Thank you.
Looking damn good on that Twinsman Kale.. yeww!
I’ve been loving my twin + 1 setup lately. Ive gone straight twin plenty of times, but my surfing style is more of a power surfer with long hard carves. The straight twin doesn’t let me do that without sliding out, and for me on bigger days bottom turns feel to loose on a straight twin. However the Twin + 1 for me is the sweet spot. It gives me the hold and stability where I need it but still looser then a thruster allowing me to slide the tail off the lip, carve and hold on my drop ins. If you haven’t tried it I highly recommend it 🤙🏾
Whatever feels good josh!
Thanks Kale!
Thank a lot for the tips
Old video and niche subject but any chance we could see something that deals with the opposite scenario? I’ve ridden singles and twin fins all my life because of the effortless speed and drive, and am finding it difficult to switch to a thruster when I feel like I want that extra grip and control. Something about the fact that I’m so used to being able to project way out onto the face has me finding difficulty making proper use of that cluster of fins.
Also in San Diego, which aside from a few specific waves, lends itself more to twin fins the majority of the year.
I was already thinking in buy a twin... This video made me go for it probably sooner 😂
I haven’t been ridden for twin fin but I was really regret.now I’m enjoying surf for fish beard👍
Hi Kale. Really love and appreciate you insight into surfing and different style boards. And I've been enjoying this particular review of this board. I'm mostly mid to longboard surfer, but in the last year I've been transitioning down more to high performance type fishboards. Such as the lost r&f redux. Don't know if you've had a chance to review the r&f? How does the shape and style compare to the twins men? Just curious. Thanks for all you do 🙏🤙
E bravo! Un altro video ricco di tecnica e valide opinioni. Daje
Great video. What fins are you using?
Wish we would see more back-hand twin fin surfing
Awesome. Can you talk me through (do a vid) quad surfing vs thruster? Thx.
Watch my fin setup video
Hey kale. what do you think of the 4th weekend rock star?
Curious, what fins are you running?
i accidently surfed a twinnie when my third fin broke. I did a turn and my board just released the tail. i went to look at the bottom of my board and realized the cause for this happy accident...
Are less stable
Love 2 see u on an good epoxy hp longboard . Get ingelby on board love your channel josh and the top arm u and and the backfoot backand extension ❤
Thanks Josh 🎉
Great video as always :)
I have a question for you. What about size of the board? I am 1.73 cm tall and 65 kg weight, so what size would be adjusted to me?
My normal board is between 5'9 and 5'11, 25/26 lts, and from what i've been investigating, a good size for a twin fin, let´s say a Album twnisman to have a good reference, would be somewhere between 5'4, 5'5 or even less and a few liters above my normal, so i guess 28 would be ok. Does it make any sense?
I love the skateboard approach that this twin fins give to surfing, and myself coming from a 30 years plus of skateboarding, makes total sense to me :)
Can you give some lights here?
Thanks
Kerr's talent on the twin is one of the best by far imho
Hi, is a 2+1 a good twin set without the trailer or is it made to be surfed exclusively with the center fin?
Try the MR bottom turn, full leg extension and face almost touching the water.
good to see kerzy wearing eyeliner. a true pioneer...
That layback wrap at 3:21 ... 🤯
Literally my favorite maneuver in surfing
Hey mate great video, hey I'm 56 years old and been on a 5'6 twinnie for the last two years, it's so much fun. Question: is there any advantages in having a longer twinnie as I see so many people with longer ones and I don't quite get it, Cheers Kelvin
Paddle power :)
Just a way to catch more waves!!! I normally surf a 6'0 fish, was in Sayulita on a trip and rented a 7'0. Caught so many waves it was insane.
I've ordered a sharp eye.... Now I want to order an album. Might have to wait a little while to get that one approved 😉
Same here!! Lol
Álbum is olny a brand.super expensive but the way.only marketing.support your local shapers and dont be a sheep.
Yewwwwwwwwww I surfed with you today at jakes point
🙏🏽🤙🏽
When you coming to Hilo?
I see those cheater fives sneaking in there! Can't wait to see Kale cross steppin and hot dogging a log next :D keep up the great vibes man!
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Alright I guess imma pick up a twin fin now
Nice one!!!
Some of my favourite ever turns has been josh kurr on those indo rights
What do you mean with “the right conditions”? Are there specific conditions you would want to surf a twinnie in?
Btw: great helpful video and good work getting the guest speaker
Point breaks or small / weaker waves but the right Twin can go in anything
What's the intro track?
Link in description for the sound designer 🤙🏽
They never tell you about the horrors on your backhand with no leverage on your heels missing the stable center on transition .
PLS tell me where you surf you get the cleanest waves
Most of Kerr’s clips are probably Mentawai Islands and other places in Indonesia
I switched to the rnf 96. I don’t think I’m ever going back to thruster. Especially in California
“Twinnie? No one rides twin fins in Hawaii, he must think he’s still on the mainland or something “
????a Lot of people ride a twinie in hawaii.what are You talking about.?
@@yandrecifuentes1649 it’s a quote from the movie North Shore.. it’s my attempt at humors that went unnoticed barno
Tom Eberly makes a dope ass twin fin. Straight up.
Twin fins - I remember surfing twins in the late 80s. It has been forever since I have been on a board -
The end 😂 such a that’s what she said moment #deeppleasure
Josh Kerr is a pro
The turn at 3:54😮
I couldn't tell which clip was you and which was Josh Kerr! Lol jk.
Does Matt Parker shape them and have them glassed here in San Clemente or are some of them shaped and glassed there?
Twin da Sacred secret is backyard the twice front fins
The rocker looks good on that board.
Was Josh Kerr teaching or???
Yeah, look at 4:25
I think you must be the only person in Australia who has escaped lockdown with all your travels 😃
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