95% Of Jobs Will Become Obsolete By AI | Ben Goertzel
Вставка
- Опубліковано 29 лис 2023
- FULL Ben Goertzel episode can be watched here: (April 2023) • Ben Goertzel: The Unst...
NOTE: The perspectives expressed by guests don't necessarily mirror my own. There's a versicolored arrangement of people on TOE, each harboring distinct viewpoints, as part of my endeavor to understand the perspectives that exist.
THANK YOU: To Mike Duffey, of dailymystic.org for your insight, help, and recommendations on this channel.
- Patreon: / curtjaimungal (early access to ad-free audio episodes!)
- Crypto: tinyurl.com/cryptoTOE
- PayPal: tinyurl.com/paypalTOE
- Twitter: / toewithcurt
- Discord Invite: / discord
- iTunes: podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast...
- Pandora: pdora.co/33b9lfP
- Spotify: open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b9...
- Subreddit r/TheoriesOfEverything: / theoriesofeverything
- TOE Merch: tinyurl.com/TOEmerch - Наука та технологія
![ОРБАН приехал к ПУТИНУ и "отчитался" о поездке в Киев 😁 [Пародия]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/_0ukDovOWq8/mqdefault.jpg)
FULL Ben Goertzel episode can be watched here: (April 2023) ua-cam.com/video/27zHyw_oHSI/v-deo.html
AI might help humanity to stop and really think. Working 40 hours a week only lets us being exhausted and ''survive'' existence. No time for deeper things.
This is the guy in the robot movie that gets killed for being too trusting.
AI needs to just do everyone’s job so humans can focus on meaning. Modern jobs are sucking meaning out of everyone’s lives
Edit: I have ideas I’ve been implementing for the betterment of humans for some time now but it’s gunna take longer cause I have 50hours less per week than someone without a job. And when completed I could see mental health skyrocket but this is just my life mission🤭
Exactly. In medieval times 90% worked in agriculture. Nobody is lamenting mechanisation in agriculture
Agreed.
the issue is that we need discipline to being meaning to our lives.
It's always the same fractal :D
"This new technology is going to wipe out all jobs"... First Industrial Revolution
"This new technology is going to wipe out all jobs"... Second Industrial Revolution
"This new technology is going to wipe out all jobs"...
"This new technology is going to wipe out all jobs"...
People are insanely blind to the possibilities of the statistical process...
Smart people can be dumb too! :D
@@jasonolinger7585 we can all go back to churches and mosques and pray 24/7.
If AI takes 95% of jobs. There should be some type of monthly compensation that will allow everybody to live a stress free life and do what they really want to do. But will that happen.. most likely NOT
Sophia looks kinda bored. Pretty soon she’ll be scrolling through her phone, like the rest of us. That’s when I’ll know AGI has been reached.
I think that we may realise that the takeaway is not that current AI is so smart, but that we are not so smart as we would like to think. How do we even prove that we have "general intelligence"? The answer is just assumed to be yes.
This weird dude hasn’t a clue about how the economy is structured. Spent too long living in his sad AI bubble.
Yes. This guy is lost in his own little AI utopia
As if the super rich gunna pay us pocket money for doing nothing. Another stupid thing is, if AI do everything, who is going to pay for the products and services it provides if no one has money. In Monopoly, what happens to everyone when the game is won, is still remains a mystery.
I am still waiting for the flying cars that were predicted in the 1970s
AI can not replace blue collar jobs.
First of all because the nature of existing buildings all are different in terms of wiring, plumbing etc and require instant adaptation to each building. Secondly due to the difficulties to find solutions how to access certain points or reconstruct /add to existing construction. AI could work if there is a general accepted formula how to build new buildings and everywhere on the world the same technology would be used which optimised to robotics. Unfortunately for AI, the existing buildings outnumber any potential new buildings so this will not change any soon. In fact, blue collar jobs in terms of evaluation can explode due to the recognition that AI can not compete with human adaptation and problem solving skills.
I think you are deeply underestimating where AI will be even in a year from now
@@DevoShreds go to your kitchen and bathroom, and think how to fix a leak with an ai under your sink or bath, and design an ai can do that in all existing buildings. Good luck 👌
Oh yes, also it has to go to site by itself, if you mean replace completely human workforce, means including mobility. Not gonna happen sorry
As someone who currently works a blue collar job, a world of only blue collar jobs under the thumb of billionaires doesn't sound appealing to me.
@@grindcoreninja6527 be patient :)
South Parks newest episode is on this. It’s pretty funny
You can tell that many of the most fervent AI proponents have never had a real job.
Seems so.
What's a real job?
@coalhater392 The trades, farming, baking, etc. Making physical goods Then there are services like medical and emergency services, etc. Got the idea?
@@Jay121professor?
@@markupton1417lmao no
25 years in the tech industry and I have observed that major new technologies take about a decade to achieve wide spread adoption.
So you're saying Facebook/instagram memes of 10 yo twitter memes are from image board memes from unmoderated teenager Id from the 90s? I played with AI Dungeon with the GPT-2 and was privy to unrestrained celebration of transformers before the paper was officially published. 2023 it's in Windows OS. 10 years is in 2 years. My hunch they're already past Q* and entry level AGI, on paper in the least.
@@SmirkInvestigator Try hundred/s years. The social system that we, and our parents were born into seems to have been developed with the help of AI. A robot that could answer questions was on display at a World's Fair's, round 1900.
Well, not this time...
Ai been around for at least 25 years.
Let's be real here.
It's going to get really, really bad, before it gets better again.
You are going to live through something much worse than the Wall Street Crash of 1929.
You will lose your job and you won't be able to pay rent or have money for food.
You will be homeless and hungry!
I'm fine with self checkout in general, but the touch screens at McDonalds seem to take me 2x as long to make an order than when I just talk to a human. Perhaps that could be fixed with a better interface, but I suspect a human is faster for most people to interact with.
Why are you fine with self-checkout? It's not even an AI problem. You're still scanning and keying in your own items. You're bagging your own items. You're doing the full job of a cashier. Except you don't get paid, and the store gets to fire all the cashiers while pocketing the profits at your expense.
@@MrFreeGman Been using self checkout for decades at grocery stores. I like when they have both options, self checkout or employee checkout. It's always faster for me to do self checkout since I'm typically just buying a handful of items; I don't mind it at all and it doesn't feel like I'm working for free or something. I don't like 100% self checkout only though. That's turned in to a giant mess and I'm glad a lot of companies are reversing that. Perhaps I don't mind this b/c I used to be a cashier at a grocery store when I was in highschool so I'm quick.
So to be clear, I think the best option is to provide both for customers.
But it's the gamification of the ordering process. You stumble upon previously unnoticed menu options and are in no rush to think twice if you need the extra curry dip - which you always do.
Don't believe your own press is what this guy needs to hear.
This guy does nor understand that his assumptions ignore the reality and point at some vague charicature of what reality of labour is.
Ben has without a doubt considered more than you ever will with regard to anything pertaining to AGI
Can you explain in more detail? The only thing I got here was some vague caricature of a criticism without supporting why his assumptions ignore reality.
@@alleyway since you're talking of what you don't know and have no evidence of, I regard you as a bitter troll that defends one of his heroes, which is kind of amusing
@@philipjackson9855 what, you expect that every comment which generally expresses opinion must be expanded trough a systematic criticism which presumably ought to provide justifications? That would contradict the form of expression of general opinion. Since this guy is claiming that AGI is possible and consequentially will overtake human workforce by doing virtually everything, I was thinking he's the one who should give reasons, justifications, arguments and evidence that would support his claim, which he doesn't do even remotely. His basic assumptions are not credible, nor are they justified by what we know of AI, nor does he consider the fact that AGI is purely fictitious at this point so the stretch of imagination does not represent factual matter which he assumes when lecturing people etc.
Provide us some evidence that any of his claims have any support in reality, and then we can talk, before that, better hold back and turn on your skepticism which means: carefully observe what these guys who predict planetary politico-economical acquisition by "self aware" machines, have to offer in order to support their claims, which at the moment unscientific and outlandish.
Ben is right… it’s over.
Why does he smile when he says that? This kind of sociopath should not be ushering in AI.
He's the one who is more fascinated by this than anyone. He's the perfect one to do it.
LMAO, this comment is so unintentionally funny :D
"should" 🤣
He smiled because he thinks that with these jobs gone, man won’t have to labor as we have in previous centuries. It isn’t nefarious.
You also have a limited number of specialists in this field and even less with funding. Not a lot of choice in who will contribute to AGI.
In Monopoly, what happens to everyone when the game is won, is still remains a mystery.
Give Ben back his hat! without it he just gets stuck in infinite LSD flashback loops.
he should have had his guitar and amplifiee plugged in for this one.
That head movements whilst the person was speaking -is damn so spooky and amazing at the same time.
95 % of jobs are absolutely not all seditary sitting behind a computer.
From what I am being told is that the Mcfonalds have not reduced staffing because of drive thru automation… at least at this time.
I used to eat a lots of fast food but its been about ten years. Now I can't believe anyone eats it lol...as one my ex girlfriends once told me as I chomped on a bigmac..THAT's NOT EVEN FOOD!! I should have married her. Nah...scratch that.
So respect and love from India sir
Fan of Goertzel and bullish on his singularity net project built on cardano.
When all jobs are replaced by AGI what do the humans being replaced do to make a living?
UBI. Limited freedoms.
Maybe dream (hallucinating perception) mixed with Fibonacci hooked up to nanobots with artificial super intelligence as a nanorobotic imagination symbiosis system
That's not the concern of corporations who will benefit from AI and become even richer. The peasants will have to figure something out but they couldn't care less what it is. And they certainly won't be in favor of UBI.
They don't figure into the equation. The plan is to eliminate 90% of the "useless eaters" when AI and 3D printing reach a certain level of sophistication. Maniacs are in charge now. 😔
IV nutrients and plug into the matrix. Your now a AAA.
Good luck having ai setup the sound system you are using
Maybe he can get a droid to fix his glasses and comb his hair
Curt, you are a champion. Thanks for so much interesting content!
When robots arent enough, they will hybrid the humans.
It’s always laughable when someone who’s never lifted a tool in their life or has done any sort of physical labour makes such bold unfounded predictions.
Almost as funny as a random guy thinking he has a valid opinion about the future of SI and automation.... almost.
@@markupton1417 I’ll meet you here in 5 years when nothing is different A.I wise
Do you think he has blue collar workers on his staff lol?
@@summergirl2782 my fuckin manger oversees blue collar workers on his team and doesn’t have a clue about the work we do.
I love how Ben sounds a lot like a real life version of Rick Sanchez, haha
That seems likely. And only a sick society can make that into a bad thing.
Freelance artist made obsolete here. Still not in a workless utopia.
Companies that lose the human touch will lose out on profits as well.
What I wonder about are the economic and environmental impacts behind running these types of systems at scale. I think it's clear we need to get to and move beyond carbon neutrality as fast as possible. It's already a massive task to do as things are right now.
Sure many jobs that aren't physical in nature could be the first to be automated away, but again, what is the cost in terms of electricity, chip manufacture, etc? And then what about the physical jobs? I'm assuming most robots are going to have batteries and run off of them, so that means an even higher demand for raw materials like lithium, copper, and rare earth minerals. The mining of which, is not exactly friendly to the environment. And what about the power demands of charging this massive industrial fleet of robots? Where is that going to come from?
It may turn out like he is talking about, but for the next 30 to 50 years, I see far too many obstacles, not the least of which is political, from this happening.
Nothing new said in this video. Hyperion Cantos by Dan Simmons and that new movie The Creator have some cool ideas on AI
The only real problem we have is from the power addicted people!
Really? Any task that can't be standardized, can't be replace by AI! And in theory a lot of things can be standardized, but in reality, standardizing can't provoke more bad things that bad things... Regarding ChatGPT is so bad at math, at least when it deals with transcendental equations !!!
Looks like they’ve already got to the shower takers.
Imagine the windfall profit of big greedy corporations eradicating jobs and AI bringing back to corporations the revenue of the fruit of their labors!!! Ask yourself will it be a sustainable business model when corporations are not bringing back anything to the community like jobs, wages and opportunities!🙏
Construction and trade jobs will never be automated. The maintenance on the automated workers alone would be a whole different industry.
The dexterity and problem solving skills of humanoid robots (and other robotic machines) will be way better than construction workers who have 20+ years of experience. Maintenance will be done by other robots. Also, there are other technologies coming, that will change how construction is done in the first place.
A.I will free wealthy people from the greed and poor work ethic of the working class and the working poor.
SingularityNET is his digital asset 🚀
If I didn't know any better, I would swear that these science talking heads are paid by one of our enemies to terrify the public about technology. These talking heads do more harm than good.
Jobs and trades are different things. He nor I will ever see such a thing, just watch vending machines progress😂
AI animal trainers, teaching animals new tricks... Me thinks that dogs for example, are too intelligent and would not easily follow instructions from a bot.
I have a two year old female American Field Lab. She will only listen to three people me, my son and my girl friend who has known her since she was three months old. I have never used treats as a reward system just my voice and touch. She responds to eye contact, voice and hand movements. The only thing that might get her to respond to an AI robot is if they could throw a ball that she could retrieve. She would first smell the robot and know it was not human. I don’t think she would continue to be interested more than a couple throws without the human connection that she craves. I think it would be an interesting experiment to test an AI canine interaction.
Maybe, but if forget how to fish, u become a beggar’! Yea we love being around each other so much we’re all alone in a room watching sceeens instead of living, balance is the key, does this guy understand he is making himself obsolete,new don’t need engineers, or coders
THE NERD OF DEATH, NERDS!
So what will humans do? Look at the birds shit?
95% of jobs will be obsolete?
See you on the construction site, I guess.
If you click like Ben will lick thebacid tabs stuck to rhe roof of his mouth and be able to use his top lip while speaking for the first time since the bad brown acid he had at woodstock.
I would be shocked if there would be any truth to such statement. Enormous amounts of jobs only humans can do. Also there are jobs that can be done artificially we do not want them to do. Other than that we already have lots automated. Using stuff like AI will not increase that dramatically. The guy lives in a bubble that where beliefs being detached from reality thrive. btw would love to see a AI garbage man.
Stoned AI.
Maybe the AI could wash this fellas hair just saying
The whole time, I was thinking, damn, that hair! When he said he had kids that implies a wife, and wives usually insist upon clean hair. Well, at least the wives I have known.
😂😂😂
Current jobs.
don t understand this need to make oneself useless
Maybe AI could get him a barber.
na just champoo
Historically, what humans said would happen in the future was always wrong, looking back. Just saying 😉
I mean he is taking a leap into the unknown
At 6:50 Ben makes an incorrect assumption. He assumes AI will only ever be able to blend the data it has trained on. The recent work on Q* shows the capability to automate data generation for training, as well as create new mathematics that render encryption useless. Of course this was only a minor technical hurdle, but people falsely assume it was a hard limit when it's not. You might want to adjust your 95% prediction there Ben!
No evidence that deep learning can exceed the information content of it's initial training dataset.
My mother in law is a high priced escort. I think she’s safe and most likely will be even busier with a lot of bored people
P p p please replace nursing 😅
I like ben
That's a twisted way to put it and it reads as a sensationalism. All these jobs 'in danger' will elevate to AI's management/control/research for inputs. They won't become fully obsolete. Also, frankly, it's very off putting when a speaker is this lose in his looks and his speech. No offense to Curt.
Love Ben..LMFLLMO! B
What hokem....
Coming from a guy who hasn’t showered or washed his clothes in about two months 😂
I really don't take this self-appointed know-it-all's opinion very seriously.😂 Excuse me, I must leave. More valuable things to do.
too much hype around AI
That's only because you don't understand it on a deep enough technical level you Kant
@@HughBlackstone-tm6bw sorry that's not my categorical imperative to know about AI
@ChristianSt97 How do you know that synthetic a priori?
@@HughBlackstone-tm6bw yea my trascendental judgment led me to that conclusion
Too many people burying their heads in the sand out of pride or fear