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@@Thivesh_ true, but do you see what team theyre using for The Herta? not a single limited five star character on that team slot apart from her, while acheron is using 3 other 5 stars alongside herself. Acheron is still an insane character and im not trying to say shes d tier but its obvious that The Herta with low investment is one of the most insane characters, and with high investment with all of her best in slot supports that will come out in the future shes easily going to outdo any dps that currently exists in the game
Wdym ? The moment The Herta banner drops all Acherons ever pulled and subsequently all dps units pre 3.0 on all existing accounts will become unusable and D tier in moc/apo/pf for the next 8 months... This is the law, the only way to avoid this is to pull every single dps in 3.x to keep up with the game !!!
Not really surprised, 3.0 Emanator being stronger than 2.1 Emanator is a guarantee Plus Herta got a load of buffs during beta, she's honestly broken as hell at E2
Yea i was quite shocked, herta got buffed every versions of the beta. E0 she's already super strong and can probably clear every endgame mode without much effort, but in E2 she's just THAT character.
THerta E1 & E2 got more synergy to her dmg than E1 & E2 Acheron which make sense for 3.x character, e.g. Acheron E1&2 doesnt omph her dmg, just comfort like E1 give CR and E2 just for easy trace, the huge jump in Acheron dmg is her E6. Tho, out of all E6 dps, Acheron still hold the fastest clear.
I do kinda wonder how lore wise they are gonna explain emanator power creep in the future. They are meant to be some of the most powerful people in the story world. But oh yeah the emanator of nihility is now being out damaged in 4.5 by a small child with a stick
@@zackone2001 Agree with everything but let's be real, E2 Acheron is a complete different charcter than E0 and up to Herta it's still the strongest E2 imo. It makes her playable like any other DPS while mantaining that A2 trace crazy dmg bonus
1 cycle diff isnt that big of a deal, expected for a 2.x vs 3.x dps, but the team difference is insane, this is basically Acheron best team vs Herta with f2p units, her bis team isnt out yet.
@@mmm4093 It's not "1 cycle" deal, the difference between 0 cycling and 1 cycling is huge, while the difference between 4 and 5 is minimal. If you actually know how the game works you would compare AV count(150 for zero cycle and 250 for 1 cycle), 66% more damage output.
theres a 66% difference in damage output, and acheron has 6 cost teammates VS 0 cost teammates, which is basically the same as getting your Therta to e6 and two extra copies of the LC, if Therta had e1s1 jade and lingsha e1s1 instead of gallagher to equal the costs the difference would be even more severe
@@sydorovich2532 well yeah the boss, blessing etc are cattered to herta, acheron the only thing going for her on this fight is the lighting weakness, the rest is trash, the ads on the fight dont even move so it doenst give her any stacks at all for exmaple
I'm actually way more interested in seeing this comparison at e0. For all the power of Acheron' E2, it's main upside is still the versatility that it enables in her team building, especially when she still doesn't have a second premium nihility unit that she really synergizes with. Because her nihility options are so limited, most of the eidolon's power budget is in that. Meanwhile, the herta's is pretty much entirely self contained. But yeah, this showcase shows a lot, though I think it also highlights how powerful the RMC is as a general support unit, too
The way HSR is going Herta is the next op unit, then its going to be Castorice since she is the anniversary unit then its probably going to be Phainon or the Fate characters and so on so fort. The game is just ridiculous at this point so i'll just stick to my supply pass and pull for whoever i love and would advise others to do the same unless u have disposable income to spend then thats fine, but for the majority of players if u want to stay meta hoyo is preying on u to have to spend 100's of dollars for the next meta unit every patch and they are getting too greedy imo but i enjoy collecting characters i like and will stick with the game for now but it isnt really fun as it use to be. Such a shame if they keep going down this path
A leak said the fate characters will be ornament characters type (that's how you call collab characters in gacha games that are only for collection and aren't very good)
The problem is that the characters I love get no attention and are abandoned in the game. The Stellaron Hunters are one of the most important factions, but everyone except Firefly has been practically erased from the game, and Firefly will probably follow soon. They’ll just end up in boring, voiceless side quests with no real impact. Not spending money is a good option, but the best choice is quitting the game and just enjoying the main story on UA-cam.
@@Sakamoto_1535E3 The Herta is no more favored than Acheron here she simply does more dmg at less investment. This is a perfect situation for Acheron as well yet she doesn't perform as well. The Herta didn't even get the buff because she 0 cycled.
Well i mean you can 0 cycle acheron with this boss but how’s that will change with casual player or no 0 cycle intent? You can see with herta teamcomp, it’s require barely amount of investment or effort outside 4 wind MC and her e2s1 or even e2s0 compare with acheron with all of the calculations.
@@genesis3mallari753 i agree also in my opinion Therta and acheron have the same dmg output what differ is RMC if u didint know RMC give a 30% final dmg multiplier higher than E1 robin 24% and to make it even more insane unit that have 200+ ERR get a bonus 20% so basically RMC is giving Therta 50% final dmg multiplier (also acheron/fei can only get a fixed 30% form RMC)
@@RioT1234-r3i Same thing, I will invest 5-6 pulls into her team, depending from the most effective damage pulls. After that would farm for the next big unit in half of the year.
I will do the same, I'm going for castorice E2S1 since honkai is getting greedy, it only puts stronger people so you put money into the game, that's why I'm going to do that since my acheron E2S1 PowerP😢
From what we saw, Castorice will be a Remembrance Quantum and I guess she'll be the opposite of Aglaea: slow but hard hitting nukes (since the new set lowers your Speed and gives CR based on how low your Speed is). That being said, do you guys think her bis support will still be sunday or a future harmony unit? Im asking cuz idk If to pull Aglaea or wait for Castorice and I'm already building Sunday atm
Ngl Sunday is better for Acheron cuz he makes her get more stacks for faster ult (6 stack per turn if you time his SPD right). The DMG wouldn't be as high as Robin but the amount of ult you can dish out with be a lot more
@@branbot3000 there's lukasha set that gives 12% atk anyway . Acheron base atk is the highest in the game . And also using Sunday also means u can equip atk chest on acheron cuz the amount of cd and cr Sunday provides is crazy high .
@@invalidy4r4 he's not giving her evergy, but he gives her aditional turn, so she can gain 3 stack of her ult out of that 1 via E2 1 via skill 1 via lightcone debuff and he keeps doing that every skill usage, rather than pressing ult imagine having 33% Acheron ult charging just by pressing E looks way better than energy regen from his ult
Great showcase! I do plan on investing The Herta and use that same team here so I can skip Aglaea, Tribbie, and Mydei for Castorice. Been anticipating the emanator version of The Herta since I’ve first heard about it. I vertical invest my Acheron like this showcase so good to know that she’ll last longer as long she can clear.
@@Animeaddict031It's simple really. 1 limited = 1 cost. For example, The Herta e2 s1 is 4 cost on her own. Signature lightcones, limited characters and eidolons are all considered one cost.
E0 , E1 , E2 = 3 cost One copy of sig cone = 1 cost So Herta team is a 4 cost cause the others are all f2p. E2 S1 Acheron = 4 cost E0S1 Robin, Aventurine and Jiaoqui= 6 cost.
Acheron’s highest dmg in the video is 2.4mil and madam herta’s was 3mil but then again herta’s e2 is broken and she has way more self buffs than Acheron but Acheron mainly weakens the enemy before she deals nuke dmg
This boss have a mechanic if you kill the summon it reduce hp boss like 500k ish per summon.. so it's not ideal to use this boss as a reference.. I mean you can if you didn't count the summon dmg mechanic
@ I would have to agree this boss isn’t really the best reference but neither is Sunday(no lightning res but has ice res) or aventurine(the dice don’t take dmg) or the doomsday beast(is susceptible to dmg heavily) so maybe aregenti is the best reference so far
E2 acheron only gets crit rate and harmony teammate at E2. While THerta at E0 can have a harmony teammate and at E2 gets a lot of stacking and damage at E2
Perhaps I'm wrong but better than Robin would be Sparkle or Sunday for Acheron, specially with 110 spd, her mates can generate stacks but she gets 2 for skill + 1 per turn
@@source324 The issue is, Herta multiplier is in her skill, not her ult. Acheron ult build up can only get as fast as the rest of your team can apply debuffs. The Herta builds her ult by literally anything hitting multiple targets. Acheron gets competitive if we only fighting single target basically.
E2/E6 acheron main here on my own testing on beta Therta is just acheron the dmg output is no different what change is RMC and i meant it RMC is a game changer 30% final dmg multiplier and if the unit RMC buff have 200+ max ERR that goes up to 50% just for a simple comparison E1S1 robin can only provide 24% final dmg multiplier (For everyone wondering yes RMC is only nutty with acheron sadly acheron/fei have only a fixed 30%)
thank you for this video dude. i really appreciate it. previously i'm still confused wheter to get the herta e0s1 first than madam jade / lingsha. but after seeing this video, im pretty sure i can focus first for herta e0s1 then e2 if possible & for madam jade or lingsha, i can aim in the future maybe? anyway, cheers 🍻
Any chance of an Acheron vs Aglaea E0S1 showcase please Cornflake? Was planning on skipping her because she's the same element but would be cool to get an idea of how their power levels compare.
Aglaea wins, even as f2p and no sunday. Her enhanced NA's almost reaches Acheron ultimate dmg in terms of aoe and st, if not she'd still do more overall dmg.
would aventurine be a better sustain for the herta? because i have my gallagher on my firefly and don't plan on pulling lingsha also, for MOC, AP shadow, and PF respectively, who would be better? Gal vs Aven and Serval vs smol herta
if the enemies have high speed and attack quite often, then aventurine mogs lingsha/fuxuan by miles lol. his counter/fua is aoe and he is sp positive. don't listen to the simp above and just use ur aven. also for her sub dps u can use smol herta
lotta people conspicuously forgetting that MoC has fairly significant modifiers and considering 3.0's buffs energy gain and memosprites, neither of which acheron benefits at all from and most of which her team doesnt benefit much from, and the enemy lineup is quite erudition favored. things are being blown a bit out of proportion; a 1 cycle difference when considering the advantages/disadvantages either team has in this given encounter truly does not have the significance some ppl here are making it out to be.
definitely true, but it also has to be considered that hertas team is the MC and two four stars, whereas acheron's team is at least 4 cost. There will certainly be a much larger difference when her BIS teammates get here.
dude acheron has no disadvantages here. herta did not even make use of the moc buff since she 0 cycled with a 4 star team. acheron is not an erudition but she is also an aoe dps, this moc benefits her quite well.
The word 'cope' has been thrown around so much that it's nearly lost all meaning. But you are unironically, unequivocally, and undeniably coping right now.
tbf, MoC energy buff doesn't benefit Acheron directely, but i doubt it would change anything, what i'm more worried is how what was considered to be "the strongest E2" is struggling to 0 cycle, HP inflation is mad and the herta is even more OP, guess they will just have to double it version 3.1, can't wait to use seele to clear it:), anyway, great video, kinda expected since HSR powercreep is just like HI3rd, albeit HI3rd seems more tame now.
I don't remember hsr is competition game, as far i can full star all content and get cull reward i'v no problem, hsr don't uave such rank system on it i don't understand why people still compared any character 😂
In lore, Acheron would nihiliate, literally. But in gameplay, it seems like a 2.X Emanator vs 3.X Emanator is very much visible. Don't get me wrong, Acheron is still a very cracked unit. But... The fact that THE Herta is currently using an f2p team makes it VERY apparent that THE Herta is going to be a very broken unit aswell. And on top of that, knowing how frequent and common power creep is in this game makes it all the more scary.
Looking back, Acheron's E2 wasn't even that busted. She's a really strong character that got locked behind her E2 to get her full potential and make her teams less restrictive. The Herta's E2 is really busted, however😅😅
Oh wow the new emanator trivializing the moc that was tailer made for her, imagine that. Listen people need to realize that these comparison videos at the end of the day do not show a true reflection of the actual power of the characters, i mean yeah acheron has been good with aoe but your capping if you think she would be able to compete with an actual erudition unit/emanator. The thing is this video literally only encourages people to get in the mindset of screw the old i want the new unit and at the end of the day its your account do what you must but this is a bad mindset to get in especially when talking about gacha games. And also the amount of people complaining about the fact that hertas team is way more f2p here is something to think about how about instead of pulling the new unit you just rather save the pulls to enhance a character that makes all your other units a heck of alot more viable , thats what im gonna do with robin as im guaranteed and most definitely getting E1 (saying this while having an e2 firefly ,got very lucky on her first banner but instead of pulling on fugue i saved my pulls to get the e1 on robin as this will make all my other units more viable instead of just my break team which up untill this moc was able to 0 cycle and is now able to still comfortably 1 cycle)
This could've been a lot better if both teams were either F2P or P2W. Though both are still amazing DPSes to have obtained, it's a bit unfair that The Herta's full potential isn't properly explored here.
my poor Acheron mostly getting the short end even with 5 star supports... got 1 premium support in all that time and therta just clears better with 4 star supports, I love Acheron and its depressing to see how much better new Characters are, and we probably won't get another premium support for acheron any time soon if we ever get one... Therta really is way too strong with all she offers even for an Emanator this games powercreep is getting wilder/weirder with every patch it seems.
Pretty sure sunday would have been better for acheron and jade would have been better for herta. But man herta E2 is absolutly nutty she didnt do a single non enhanced E and her multipliers are just insane Acheron honestly struggles with getting ult frequently enough here and ger damage is quite good and alot of times even better than herta, herta just... does it twice as often lmao Although something important to consider is that herta shines in aoe and if this was a ST boss herta would get cooked here, this game has become so much more about matchups than it is direct powercreep imo
I'm having fun using Topaz to have the fastest stack generation for Acheron. Issue is, it requires E2 Acheron, it requires E1 Jiaoqiu and E2 Aventurine. But Topaz basically generates almost twice the stacks since she launches Numby all over the place. Issue is, you lack the dmg multiplier unit like Sunday, so you do way more ults but at a lower dmg, kinda weird tbh.
Acheron is also better in AoE content and pretty mediocre in Single Target. Her best performance is in Pure Fiction if you take a look at Prydwen's data.
@@jcdenton2819her animation legit got leaked showing her hitting just as the leakers said, a harmony who does follow ups will be the best stack and energy generator for the herta possible
People seem to forget how much this MoC promotes multi-hits and Erudition characters. Due to a specific 3-hit E-skill, The Herta can cause these enemies to self-harm. On the other hand, Acheron is a burst damage dealer, and this MoC is so uncomfortable for her (especially having only 1 suitable teammate). Also, Remembrance MC might outclass Robin in a hypercarry setup.
herta's premium team would use jade instead of herta mini and (ruan mei or robin or at least sunday)and for sustain ig its huohuo for ER but you used acheron's best team except if you replaced robin with pela while a very f2p friendly team for herta
It is and Cornflake picked a bad team which makes no sense to deploy. Gallagher is bis for acheron when going faster and always has been (same for Shield March).
@@Armisael4321 Swapping out E0S1 Aventurine for a Gallagher is not gonna save a whole cycle when Acheron was barely finishing at the very end, try being a bit more realistic here
Can you make a video of which team is better between Herta S1, Jade, Sunday S1 and Huohuo or Herta S1, Jade, Robin S1 and Lingsha? I saw a video today that said these two teams are quite similar in performance, but I still want to see them in action
@@CoconutOrNot_Ur logic makes zero sense. Sunday buffs are better than robins they are just single target. How does his AA get wasted but not robins? Sunday makes Therta a good stack generator for herself. Wdym extra energy wasted on Therta more ults is always good lol.
@D4C_267 without eidolons, hertas main bottleneck is stacks not energy, your still gonna leak energy waiting for stacks to hit 42, and therta doesn't like personal AA that much, since she isn't an optimal stack generator on her own and her non enhanced dmg is pretty bad. Additionally jade/argenti deal a ton of dmg which your not boosting without robin which is actually quite a bit of dmg your losing out on (iirc 27-30%). I'll check the sheets later but I'm pretty sure on a full premium team rmc does better than Sunday. Ofc Sunday on a serval/himeko is very competitive but with an adequate sub dps he's not nearly as good
Okay, so looking at it more closely, it seems that this shows how more efficient herta's team is than acherons. The flaw in Acheron's current team design. She just doesn't have the team to generate faster stacks and work as a sub dps. She also doesn't provide her partners with a buff to increase their dmg, unlike THerta's 80% cdmg bonus. It's significantly easier to generate stacks in this situation too because the boss's spears don't need to take a turn, like with jiaoqiu's debuff. Herta did 10 hair flips vs Acheron's 6 banKAI!!!!s, but it looks like a few of those hair flips were gimped. Hoping we get a debuffer who can work along side jiao or who's able to do off turn debuffs like fua/summons. Looking at the actual dmg and who they're tied up with, THerta is a beast. Free 5 star with RMC, free herta bot and gallagher for stacks. Herta's light cone also isn't extremely necessary, unlike acheron. Crazy enough she's not gaining any extra buffs like dmg vulnerability or def shred, like the other two, nor is she using her best premium team. Truly insane, but I'll skip. RMC seems very good, but ironically does not work well with feixiao and acheron, since they lack energy. Can't wait to play around with them though. Thanks for the great showcases as always.
True but then even so, Herta's team is still stronger than Archeron when you consider that she still doesn't have a limited 5 star erudition teammate that's tailored made for her. Though with that said, Archeron is still really strong for now.
@cannibalman8175 bro at the start of the cycle energy immediately gets funded its not like the trotters and are you dum cause moc buffs are always as soon as you enter battle Dentge 👏
now change robin for sparkle in acheron team and try it for yourself. acheron base speed & hyperspeed sparkle sacerdos set (but jiaoqiu have to be faster). put lushaka on all supporters including aventurine. man, people focused on robin too much, fine, but for acheron the best choice will always be sparkle atm.
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At 5:30 to 5:51 how was the herta able to use her enhanced skill twice?
2 stacks of the enhanced skill thing (the number under her ultimate circle@@Animeaddict031
Because she's E2
@chzztn so if you get her e2 after her ultimate you will get 2 enhanced skills?
hey if i buy from lootbar an still have m bonuses do i still get them ?
the fact that herta's team is so F2P bro...
6 cost teammates VS 0 cost teammates😅
Cuz she has no premium options😭 or they barely perform better/worse
@@_JoeVer 10 cost Acheron team and 3 Cost Herta team
@checkmate7947 i mean that's good ; means she has room to be even better with more tailored characters in the future
@@PenguinWithInternetAccesstribbie is already one of them. He makes all the aoe damage be focused in one enemy so herta will melt bosses
some of you guys just need to remember that just cause acheron took another cycle does not mean she's now automatically unusable and d tier..
And she only has 1 support for now
@@RenVizoreal , robin wasn't really a BiS support for her .
Till today there isn't a support synergy well with e2s1 Acheron.
@@Thivesh_ nuh crzy enlish
@@Thivesh_ true, but do you see what team theyre using for The Herta? not a single limited five star character on that team slot apart from her, while acheron is using 3 other 5 stars alongside herself. Acheron is still an insane character and im not trying to say shes d tier but its obvious that The Herta with low investment is one of the most insane characters, and with high investment with all of her best in slot supports that will come out in the future shes easily going to outdo any dps that currently exists in the game
Wdym ? The moment The Herta banner drops all Acherons ever pulled and subsequently all dps units pre 3.0 on all existing accounts will become unusable and D tier in moc/apo/pf for the next 8 months... This is the law, the only way to avoid this is to pull every single dps in 3.x to keep up with the game !!!
Not really surprised, 3.0 Emanator being stronger than 2.1 Emanator is a guarantee
Plus Herta got a load of buffs during beta, she's honestly broken as hell at E2
Yea i was quite shocked, herta got buffed every versions of the beta. E0 she's already super strong and can probably clear every endgame mode without much effort, but in E2 she's just THAT character.
THerta E1 & E2 got more synergy to her dmg than E1 & E2 Acheron which make sense for 3.x character, e.g. Acheron E1&2 doesnt omph her dmg, just comfort like E1 give CR and E2 just for easy trace, the huge jump in Acheron dmg is her E6.
Tho, out of all E6 dps, Acheron still hold the fastest clear.
@@zackone2001 being able to maximise her nihility trace while having Robin or Sunday on the team is a huge damage boost
I do kinda wonder how lore wise they are gonna explain emanator power creep in the future. They are meant to be some of the most powerful people in the story world. But oh yeah the emanator of nihility is now being out damaged in 4.5 by a small child with a stick
@@zackone2001 Agree with everything but let's be real, E2 Acheron is a complete different charcter than E0 and up to Herta it's still the strongest E2 imo. It makes her playable like any other DPS while mantaining that A2 trace crazy dmg bonus
The fact that The Herta will somehow get powercrept in the future is kinda terrifying
speaking of which, i wonder what the next playable emanator will be in 4.x
@@HelloWorld-ym5vxim hoping we see a abundance emenator or elation
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@@HelloWorld-ym5vx Im guessing either Diamond or 5star Sampo
Powercreep is always inevitable but sadly for us, HSR devs aren't fond of how Genshin devs manage powercreep.
1 cycle diff isnt that big of a deal, expected for a 2.x vs 3.x dps, but the team difference is insane, this is basically Acheron best team vs Herta with f2p units, her bis team isnt out yet.
@@mmm4093 It's not "1 cycle" deal, the difference between 0 cycling and 1 cycling is huge, while the difference between 4 and 5 is minimal. If you actually know how the game works you would compare AV count(150 for zero cycle and 250 for 1 cycle), 66% more damage output.
theres a 66% difference in damage output, and acheron has 6 cost teammates VS 0 cost teammates, which is basically the same as getting your Therta to e6 and two extra copies of the LC, if Therta had e1s1 jade and lingsha e1s1 instead of gallagher to equal the costs the difference would be even more severe
@@sydorovich2532 well yeah the boss, blessing etc are cattered to herta, acheron the only thing going for her on this fight is the lighting weakness, the rest is trash, the ads on the fight dont even move so it doenst give her any stacks at all for exmaple
Don't mean to be dented but what is this "cost" thing about
@@ZyPhoxxsALT amount of 5*s, including LCsn in a team
I'm actually way more interested in seeing this comparison at e0. For all the power of Acheron' E2, it's main upside is still the versatility that it enables in her team building, especially when she still doesn't have a second premium nihility unit that she really synergizes with. Because her nihility options are so limited, most of the eidolon's power budget is in that. Meanwhile, the herta's is pretty much entirely self contained.
But yeah, this showcase shows a lot, though I think it also highlights how powerful the RMC is as a general support unit, too
e0 therta can 1 cycle this boss so... probably only furthers the gap between them
wait for ruri goko video,he gonna make a comparison between herta and acheron at e0 s0 and e0 s1
The way HSR is going Herta is the next op unit, then its going to be Castorice since she is the anniversary unit then its probably going to be Phainon or the Fate characters and so on so fort. The game is just ridiculous at this point so i'll just stick to my supply pass and pull for whoever i love and would advise others to do the same unless u have disposable income to spend then thats fine, but for the majority of players if u want to stay meta hoyo is preying on u to have to spend 100's of dollars for the next meta unit every patch and they are getting too greedy imo but i enjoy collecting characters i like and will stick with the game for now but it isnt really fun as it use to be. Such a shame if they keep going down this path
A leak said the fate characters will be ornament characters type (that's how you call collab characters in gacha games that are only for collection and aren't very good)
Also is saber and archer
With saber being nihility and archer hunt
Yep pull for your favorite character and their bis if you like them at least a little
The problem is that the characters I love get no attention and are abandoned in the game. The Stellaron Hunters are one of the most important factions, but everyone except Firefly has been practically erased from the game, and Firefly will probably follow soon. They’ll just end up in boring, voiceless side quests with no real impact.
Not spending money is a good option, but the best choice is quitting the game and just enjoying the main story on UA-cam.
Castorice hp scaling makes her a doa unit.
Yikes the difference between a 2.X dps and a 3.X dps is just wild… nice vid tho cornflake
Nope. The buffs and mechanics only favors Herta more than Acheron.
@@Sakamoto_1535E3 The Herta is no more favored than Acheron here she simply does more dmg at less investment. This is a perfect situation for Acheron as well yet she doesn't perform as well. The Herta didn't even get the buff because she 0 cycled.
@@Sakamoto_1535E3the herta multipliers are just way more than Acheron which is why her E2 is one of the best if not better than every crit dps E2
@@Sakamoto_1535E3the mechanic's favor Acheron just as much there both aoe and the boss has lightning weakness
@@Sakamoto_1535E3 have you? um...read the herta kit yet?
something's not right, I already watched Acheron 0 cycle this with Galagher, jiaqiou and e1s0 Robin.
one of them is with shingetzus kitchen channel
in that video she vastly out performed herta too, but acheron's e6 is the most insane thing in the game so its not too surprising.
Well i mean you can 0 cycle acheron with this boss but how’s that will change with casual player or no 0 cycle intent?
You can see with herta teamcomp, it’s require barely amount of investment or effort outside 4 wind MC and her e2s1 or even e2s0 compare with acheron with all of the calculations.
I mean Herta currently has no premium team that tailored for her
@@Reddd435 I think huohuo and jade are pretty good for her aren't they? We have to wait for some new erudition sub dps stronger than jade.
@@genesis3mallari753 i agree also in my opinion Therta and acheron have the same dmg output what differ is RMC if u didint know RMC give a 30% final dmg multiplier higher than E1 robin 24% and to make it even more insane unit that have 200+ ERR get a bonus 20% so basically RMC is giving Therta 50% final dmg multiplier (also acheron/fei can only get a fixed 30% form RMC)
im saving for e2 s1 castorice with her bis team e0s0 then not pulling for another year
Literally. Gonna get her and then her sig and then just as many cons as I can get after
@@RioT1234-r3i Same thing, I will invest 5-6 pulls into her team, depending from the most effective damage pulls. After that would farm for the next big unit in half of the year.
I will do the same, I'm going for castorice E2S1 since honkai is getting greedy, it only puts stronger people so you put money into the game, that's why I'm going to do that since my acheron E2S1 PowerP😢
@ best idea
From what we saw, Castorice will be a Remembrance Quantum and I guess she'll be the opposite of Aglaea: slow but hard hitting nukes (since the new set lowers your Speed and gives CR based on how low your Speed is).
That being said, do you guys think her bis support will still be sunday or a future harmony unit? Im asking cuz idk If to pull Aglaea or wait for Castorice and I'm already building Sunday atm
Ngl Sunday is better for Acheron cuz he makes her get more stacks for faster ult (6 stack per turn if you time his SPD right). The DMG wouldn't be as high as Robin but the amount of ult you can dish out with be a lot more
Sunday cant recharge her ult tho so the energy buff is wasted
I think losing ATK boots and Robin’s huge ATK buff isn’t worth it, Jaioqiu and Aventurine S1 also provide a good number of stacks
@@branbot3000 there's lukasha set that gives 12% atk anyway . Acheron base atk is the highest in the game .
And also using Sunday also means u can equip atk chest on acheron cuz the amount of cd and cr Sunday provides is crazy high .
@@invalidy4r4 lol read his comment again mate
@@invalidy4r4 he's not giving her evergy, but he gives her aditional turn, so she can gain 3 stack of her ult out of that
1 via E2
1 via skill
1 via lightcone debuff
and he keeps doing that every skill usage, rather than pressing ult
imagine having 33% Acheron ult charging just by pressing E
looks way better than energy regen from his ult
I think in this type of boss you would want someone that could AA Acheron, the boss moves at a snail pace making her stacks generation so slow
Great showcase!
I do plan on investing The Herta and use that same team here so I can skip Aglaea, Tribbie, and Mydei for Castorice. Been anticipating the emanator version of The Herta since I’ve first heard about it. I vertical invest my Acheron like this showcase so good to know that she’ll last longer as long she can clear.
blade solos
Because no one wants to play with him anymore 😭
In 16 cycles
i will dispatch of you in 8 cycles, 300k dps may be unreachable for me
@@zeefayussy I have that video saved 😭
Real, T0 in every gamemode dealing Bladillions of damage ☝️
MRPOKKE: "THE STRONGEST E2 IN HISTORY VS THE STRONGEST E2 TODAY"
the real strongest e2 in history was robin all along
@@coraW nah, that's e1, I can see E2 but her e1 is the deal breaker for me
@@zer0467 fair enough, i thought u were talking about the overall character lmao
@@coraW nahh, it's how much the E2 would change for said unit
before it was dhil vs acheron and now acheron vs the herta lol how times have changed
10 cost vs 4 cost! Put the fries in the bag, Acheron.
The boss shills herta tho and her e2 is way nuttier than acherons😂
What is this cost thing and how to calculate it?
@@Animeaddict031It's simple really. 1 limited = 1 cost. For example, The Herta e2 s1 is 4 cost on her own.
Signature lightcones, limited characters and eidolons are all considered one cost.
E0 , E1 , E2 = 3 cost
One copy of sig cone = 1 cost
So Herta team is a 4 cost cause the others are all f2p.
E2 S1 Acheron = 4 cost
E0S1 Robin, Aventurine and Jiaoqui= 6 cost.
is the Aventurine's bug pacthed already por 3.0V? is it visible here?
Acheron team: three 5* supports with their sigs
Therta team: three 4* supports and with one standard 5* lc
💀💀💀
Tbf The boss is specially designed for Therta but still... A 10 cost team being only half as fast as a 3 cost team is crazy ngl.
@@wallnut7624I'm creeping the power🗣️🔥‼️‼️
A few patches later ,
Therta team : three 5* supports with sigs .
Castorice: three 4* supports with one standard 5* lc
@@wallnut7624 The boss is design for AOE units thats why
@@Thivesh_ 😂
So my Acheron can do this content, no reason to pull Herta/Aglaea and wait for Castorice+lc need to hold jades boyz
Acheron’s highest dmg in the video is 2.4mil and madam herta’s was 3mil but then again herta’s e2 is broken and she has way more self buffs than Acheron but Acheron mainly weakens the enemy before she deals nuke dmg
This boss have a mechanic if you kill the summon it reduce hp boss like 500k ish per summon.. so it's not ideal to use this boss as a reference.. I mean you can if you didn't count the summon dmg mechanic
@ I would have to agree this boss isn’t really the best reference but neither is Sunday(no lightning res but has ice res) or aventurine(the dice don’t take dmg) or the doomsday beast(is susceptible to dmg heavily) so maybe aregenti is the best reference so far
Remember Acheron is nihility focused on weakening not erudition on deal all target dmg
@ Acheron concentrates her crimson knot on one enemy and then blast the dmg from it to all the others with her AOE
The herta E2 is super man, the energy looks easy and ult every time
E2 acheron only gets crit rate and harmony teammate at E2. While THerta at E0 can have a harmony teammate and at E2 gets a lot of stacking and damage at E2
Perhaps I'm wrong but better than Robin would be Sparkle or Sunday for Acheron, specially with 110 spd, her mates can generate stacks but she gets 2 for skill + 1 per turn
Yes u r wrong cuz only Sunday is better than Robin for Acheron
@Hndlse Maybe, but I don't think 110 SPD Acheron should go without AA, too slow
My E2 Acheron does not do that much dmg jeez. Is JQ that much of a buff like damn. Maybe just skill issue
Imo e0s0 with JQ is better than e2s1 without him
Herta just has higher multipliers and more actions than Acheron 🤷♂️
Acheron acts more if the enemies attack faster.
She is her
Acheron still has a higher multiplier like a little little bit but Herta just works much better and consistently that it's not even a competition
@@source324 The issue is, Herta multiplier is in her skill, not her ult. Acheron ult build up can only get as fast as the rest of your team can apply debuffs. The Herta builds her ult by literally anything hitting multiple targets. Acheron gets competitive if we only fighting single target basically.
@@Raikos100wouldn't single target hinder jiauqiu giving stacks to Acheron
E2/E6 acheron main here on my own testing on beta Therta is just acheron the dmg output is no different what change is RMC and i meant it RMC is a game changer 30% final dmg multiplier and if the unit RMC buff have 200+ max ERR that goes up to 50% just for a simple comparison E1S1 robin can only provide 24% final dmg multiplier
(For everyone wondering yes RMC is only nutty with acheron sadly acheron/fei have only a fixed 30%)
acheron's team: all limited 5 stars
herta's team: 2 of them are free and 1's a 4 star
Can you show other side with the swarm boss, can she also 0 cycle him or just this side because of the boss mechanics doing most of the work ?
thank you for this video dude. i really appreciate it.
previously i'm still confused wheter to get the herta e0s1 first than madam jade / lingsha.
but after seeing this video, im pretty sure i can focus first for herta e0s1 then e2 if possible & for madam jade or lingsha, i can aim in the future maybe?
anyway, cheers 🍻
Any chance of an Acheron vs Aglaea E0S1 showcase please Cornflake? Was planning on skipping her because she's the same element but would be cool to get an idea of how their power levels compare.
Aglaea wins, even as f2p and no sunday. Her enhanced NA's almost reaches Acheron ultimate dmg in terms of aoe and st, if not she'd still do more overall dmg.
Aglaea is gonna be speed incarnate one of the reasons I’ll pull. Also she looks cool with sunday
With a sustain team against current moc Svarog, Aglaea 0 cycle Acheron 1 cycle
@@cornflakebutsilly Oh wow. I really didnt expect Acheron to be keeping up so well. Thats honestly really impressive. Thanks for the info
Midcheron falling off again is so satisfying THE HERTA is a wonderful investment after that i really need to save for potentially March 5 star
would aventurine be a better sustain for the herta? because i have my gallagher on my firefly and don't plan on pulling lingsha
also, for MOC, AP shadow, and PF respectively, who would be better? Gal vs Aven and Serval vs smol herta
No, lingsha and Gallagher /Fu xuan is bis
if the enemies have high speed and attack quite often, then aventurine mogs lingsha/fuxuan by miles lol. his counter/fua is aoe and he is sp positive. don't listen to the simp above and just use ur aven. also for her sub dps u can use smol herta
Aventurine is universal, he should be fine even if he's not the best option
@@yaraa__2nice try sliding fuxuan there lma0
How come 2 of THerta teammates are 160+ spd while Acheron only JQ is 160? Why Aventurine uses signature LC instead of trend?
I still remember using my Acheron clearing an MOC 12 with three stars with enemies not weak to lightning. Ohh the good ol days
If I may, this isn't a fair comparison for Acheron. So many misplays for her team. And why Robin instead of AV units, like Bronya, Sparkle, Sunday?
Pls try Herta f2p vs Firefly F2P🐧
I'm hesitant wheter to switch Trailblazer's path😭
Gonna stay strong for Aglaea e1s1 💪
Same! Only have a guaranteed and 90 pulls right now so I'll really need some luck, though.
Aglaea is the "beauty" in Amphoreus world.. meaning Argenti will have new friend..
What about an e0 showcase?
There already too many E0 showcase on youtube you know...
That 5* Herta has cheaper teammates yet she did just as good. DAMN.
Love them both 💜
lotta people conspicuously forgetting that MoC has fairly significant modifiers and considering 3.0's buffs energy gain and memosprites, neither of which acheron benefits at all from and most of which her team doesnt benefit much from, and the enemy lineup is quite erudition favored. things are being blown a bit out of proportion; a 1 cycle difference when considering the advantages/disadvantages either team has in this given encounter truly does not have the significance some ppl here are making it out to be.
definitely true, but it also has to be considered that hertas team is the MC and two four stars, whereas acheron's team is at least 4 cost. There will certainly be a much larger difference when her BIS teammates get here.
dude acheron has no disadvantages here. herta did not even make use of the moc buff since she 0 cycled with a 4 star team. acheron is not an erudition but she is also an aoe dps, this moc benefits her quite well.
You are all ridiculous as if 0 cycle was mandatory
Brotherman, Acheron had extra premium supports, Herta had 4 stars. No MoC buff will ever make up for such a difference
The word 'cope' has been thrown around so much that it's nearly lost all meaning. But you are unironically, unequivocally, and undeniably coping right now.
Not to mention, but that guy continued debuffing enemies even when Acheron had full stacks + extra 3 stacks
tbf, MoC energy buff doesn't benefit Acheron directely, but i doubt it would change anything, what i'm more worried is how what was considered to be "the strongest E2" is struggling to 0 cycle, HP inflation is mad and the herta is even more OP, guess they will just have to double it version 3.1, can't wait to use seele to clear it:), anyway, great video, kinda expected since HSR powercreep is just like HI3rd, albeit HI3rd seems more tame now.
Any vids for E0 comparison? I got E0 acheron BiS team but I need to know Therta E0 BiS
Do you think it is better to try and pull herta lc or just try for E1 and then e2 in the future?
if i recall correctly her e1 is better then her sig LC
How does Gallagher's E heal team after alt .???
I don't remember hsr is competition game, as far i can full star all content and get cull reward i'v no problem, hsr don't uave such rank system on it i don't understand why people still compared any character 😂
What should i pull for? E2 or S1?
Atk boots acheron with robin ?
In lore, Acheron would nihiliate, literally. But in gameplay, it seems like a 2.X Emanator vs 3.X Emanator is very much visible.
Don't get me wrong, Acheron is still a very cracked unit. But... The fact that THE Herta is currently using an f2p team makes it VERY apparent that THE Herta is going to be a very broken unit aswell.
And on top of that, knowing how frequent and common power creep is in this game makes it all the more scary.
Genuinely asking, should i get tribbie (herta's rumorred best support) or try to get e2 herta?
we dont know yet if tribbie is her best support
E2 should provide far more value than Tribbie would with her current kit.
The boss is a biblical angel 💀
Future : Destruction Emanator vs Hunt Emanator
Looking back, Acheron's E2 wasn't even that busted. She's a really strong character that got locked behind her E2 to get her full potential and make her teams less restrictive. The Herta's E2 is really busted, however😅😅
Oh wow the new emanator trivializing the moc that was tailer made for her, imagine that. Listen people need to realize that these comparison videos at the end of the day do not show a true reflection of the actual power of the characters, i mean yeah acheron has been good with aoe but your capping if you think she would be able to compete with an actual erudition unit/emanator. The thing is this video literally only encourages people to get in the mindset of screw the old i want the new unit and at the end of the day its your account do what you must but this is a bad mindset to get in especially when talking about gacha games. And also the amount of people complaining about the fact that hertas team is way more f2p here is something to think about how about instead of pulling the new unit you just rather save the pulls to enhance a character that makes all your other units a heck of alot more viable , thats what im gonna do with robin as im guaranteed and most definitely getting E1 (saying this while having an e2 firefly ,got very lucky on her first banner but instead of pulling on fugue i saved my pulls to get the e1 on robin as this will make all my other units more viable instead of just my break team which up untill this moc was able to 0 cycle and is now able to still comfortably 1 cycle)
10 cost versus 4 cost, thats insane power creep 💀💀
Does Robin work with The Herta instead of rmc?
Yes
This could've been a lot better if both teams were either F2P or P2W. Though both are still amazing DPSes to have obtained, it's a bit unfair that The Herta's full potential isn't properly explored here.
my poor Acheron mostly getting the short end even with 5 star supports... got 1 premium support in all that time and therta just clears better with 4 star supports, I love Acheron and its depressing to see how much better new Characters are, and we probably won't get another premium support for acheron any time soon if we ever get one... Therta really is way too strong with all she offers even for an Emanator this games powercreep is getting wilder/weirder with every patch it seems.
Moc buff make it difficult to compare
yeah kind of true, but the investment gap is crazy between the 2 teams, I think its ridiculous how they handle some things in HSR.
@@AAKARSH3312the moc buff only activates after a cycle which didn’t happen for the herta bro 😭
There is no powercreep in Ba Sing Se
Pretty sure sunday would have been better for acheron and jade would have been better for herta.
But man herta E2 is absolutly nutty she didnt do a single non enhanced E and her multipliers are just insane
Acheron honestly struggles with getting ult frequently enough here and ger damage is quite good and alot of times even better than herta, herta just... does it twice as often lmao
Although something important to consider is that herta shines in aoe and if this was a ST boss herta would get cooked here, this game has become so much more about matchups than it is direct powercreep imo
I'm having fun using Topaz to have the fastest stack generation for Acheron. Issue is, it requires E2 Acheron, it requires E1 Jiaoqiu and E2 Aventurine. But Topaz basically generates almost twice the stacks since she launches Numby all over the place. Issue is, you lack the dmg multiplier unit like Sunday, so you do way more ults but at a lower dmg, kinda weird tbh.
Acheron is also better in AoE content and pretty mediocre in Single Target. Her best performance is in Pure Fiction if you take a look at Prydwen's data.
Remember, this is BEFORE BIS Harmony Support Tribbie comes into play. Herta would clear so much faster.
It is not confirmed that she is for THerta, and there is rumour that Anaxa is IMG Erudition, so...
@@jcdenton2819her animation legit got leaked showing her hitting just as the leakers said, a harmony who does follow ups will be the best stack and energy generator for the herta possible
People seem to forget how much this MoC promotes multi-hits and Erudition characters. Due to a specific 3-hit E-skill, The Herta can cause these enemies to self-harm. On the other hand, Acheron is a burst damage dealer, and this MoC is so uncomfortable for her (especially having only 1 suitable teammate). Also, Remembrance MC might outclass Robin in a hypercarry setup.
herta's premium team would use jade instead of herta mini and (ruan mei or robin or at least sunday)and for sustain ig its huohuo for ER but you used acheron's best team except if you replaced robin with pela while a very f2p friendly team for herta
What if you add RMC instead of robin in the acheron team?
Worse
Is this not a doable 0 cycle for the Acheron side? Well regardless 4 cost vs 10 cost lmao, and the former is way more casual too
It's 4 cost for Therta.
It's probably doable with E1 Robin and maybe E1 JQ for good measure if you wanna do it with a sustain, sustainless it might just need a Sunday
Blud can't count
It is and Cornflake picked a bad team which makes no sense to deploy. Gallagher is bis for acheron when going faster and always has been (same for Shield March).
@@Armisael4321 Swapping out E0S1 Aventurine for a Gallagher is not gonna save a whole cycle when Acheron was barely finishing at the very end, try being a bit more realistic here
what's the MOC buff?
Can you make a video of which team is better between Herta S1, Jade, Sunday S1 and Huohuo or Herta S1, Jade, Robin S1 and Lingsha? I saw a video today that said these two teams are quite similar in performance, but I still want to see them in action
It's robin bruh, whoever said other wise is tweaking lmao, robin gives better buffs and aa, Sunday energy and aa gets lost on herta
@@CoconutOrNot_Ur logic makes zero sense. Sunday buffs are better than robins they are just single target. How does his AA get wasted but not robins? Sunday makes Therta a good stack generator for herself. Wdym extra energy wasted on Therta more ults is always good lol.
@D4C_267 without eidolons, hertas main bottleneck is stacks not energy, your still gonna leak energy waiting for stacks to hit 42, and therta doesn't like personal AA that much, since she isn't an optimal stack generator on her own and her non enhanced dmg is pretty bad. Additionally jade/argenti deal a ton of dmg which your not boosting without robin which is actually quite a bit of dmg your losing out on (iirc 27-30%). I'll check the sheets later but I'm pretty sure on a full premium team rmc does better than Sunday. Ofc Sunday on a serval/himeko is very competitive but with an adequate sub dps he's not nearly as good
@@CoconutOrNot_ Robin is very overrated
@Lupper0205 💀 idk what your talking about when rmc does better buddy
The Herta is 160+ speed Serval is so good
Okay, so looking at it more closely, it seems that this shows how more efficient herta's team is than acherons. The flaw in Acheron's current team design. She just doesn't have the team to generate faster stacks and work as a sub dps. She also doesn't provide her partners with a buff to increase their dmg, unlike THerta's 80% cdmg bonus. It's significantly easier to generate stacks in this situation too because the boss's spears don't need to take a turn, like with jiaoqiu's debuff. Herta did 10 hair flips vs Acheron's 6 banKAI!!!!s, but it looks like a few of those hair flips were gimped. Hoping we get a debuffer who can work along side jiao or who's able to do off turn debuffs like fua/summons. Looking at the actual dmg and who they're tied up with, THerta is a beast. Free 5 star with RMC, free herta bot and gallagher for stacks. Herta's light cone also isn't extremely necessary, unlike acheron. Crazy enough she's not gaining any extra buffs like dmg vulnerability or def shred, like the other two, nor is she using her best premium team. Truly insane, but I'll skip.
RMC seems very good, but ironically does not work well with feixiao and acheron, since they lack energy. Can't wait to play around with them though. Thanks for the great showcases as always.
The only unit in this game that never gets powercrept is the Trailblazer
And let me guess winner will be next emanator one who's gonna drop after herta ?oh nvm I am wrong , winner is Powercreep ! Yeah now I am correct xD
this is with mini herta instead of jade as well... and acheron is using jiaoqiu... wow i think im pulling herta then
don't pull for meta
Thanks for the showcase, I was concerned her e2 might only work on the first ult used only, but it works every time, great!
miss evergreen not so evergreen anymore
Yeah, and then castorice comes and blows everyone out of the park. Put the fries in the bag all 2.0-3.1 dpses.
Herta's E2 is busted af. Could argue its the best E2 in the game atm.
黄泉はロビンじゃなくてサンデーの方がいいっすよ
where is my glorious queen black swan, an emanator of remembrance
She is not an emanator tho. She is a memokeeper.
Dead in a dutch
@@Raikos100 MEMOKEEPERS ARE EMANATORS...
Stalking the trailblazer in the bath
Castorice gonna embarrass both of them
And Phainon's going to do the same to Castorice. It's just going to like this until the game ends.
@@gregoryzeng9901Heavily doubt, at max he would be slightly ahead of her with completely different team.
@@sydorovich2532 If it's not Phainon, it will be the next DPS after him, and so on. That's how the game works, whether you believe it or not lol
@@gregoryzeng9901 el llega primero, asi que eso no es posible xD en tal caso seria Kevin kaslana xDDD
@@isparki1 Rappa was not better than Feixiao.
getting herta and e1 jade, the rest of the crap drip marketed is the easiest skip until phaion
You don't wanna get tribbie? which may or not might be best support for the herta
3.0 meta is true damage so everyone who use it will be OP
her power creep is so scary
Powercreep is becoming a HUGE issue to me tbh
So what's the difference between purefiction and MOC now? just complete shilling for aoe/erudition units
So she isn't just a pf queen?
She's quite good in MOC
Heck she doesn't even care if there's no ice weakness
Jiaoqiu doing 1mio dmg with skill how that while Acheron 800k😮
Yall forgetting moc buff doesn't do anything for Acheron its perfect for herta cause of the amount of energy she gets
True but then even so, Herta's team is still stronger than Archeron when you consider that she still doesn't have a limited 5 star erudition teammate that's tailored made for her. Though with that said, Archeron is still really strong for now.
Uhhh, what MoC buff? The Herta 0 cycled, the buff didn't even trigger once...
@cannibalman8175 bro at the start of the cycle energy immediately gets funded its not like the trotters and are you dum cause moc buffs are always as soon as you enter battle Dentge 👏
@jancarlosattard9519 bro what are you even talking about? The MoC turbulence didn't trigger even once bruh
@cannibalman8175 bro as soon as you enter it happens
The herta ain't going to get powercrept till 5.0
Castorice better . Acheron or the herta ? No both combine.
yeah.... in 3 months atleast? lmao
now change robin for sparkle in acheron team and try it for yourself. acheron base speed & hyperspeed sparkle sacerdos set (but jiaoqiu have to be faster). put lushaka on all supporters including aventurine. man, people focused on robin too much, fine, but for acheron the best choice will always be sparkle atm.
Herta dmg modifiers are simply ridiculous considering she is aoe character...
So powercreep does exists.
dream team Acheron vs f2p team Herta :D
im a e2 acheron main and lets just accept the fact that newer dps is better than the old one .
And So ?
Powah of true damage ... straight trough a Sanctuary mode Enemy. very impressive indeed. ohno we will stay with HMC copium people.
Bro needed to nerf herta by giving her all of the f2p supports and she still 0 cycled
Powercreep: Shit rail
RMC carried the Herta True Dmg. 😂