What Is The BEST WAY To Run BACKING TRACKS? Methods/Setup/Pros&Cons
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- Опубліковано 30 лип 2024
- In this video, we are going to go over the most common ways to run backing tracks live, how to set them up, and the pros & cons of each. I'm going to go over the single file method as well as the multi track method, and you can decide which one is the best way that works for you and your band to run your backing tracks.
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0:00 - Intro
1:30 - Single File DAW Setup
2:24 - Splitter Cable Setup
5:10 - Sound Demo
5:59 - Common Question
6:57 - MultiTracking DAW Setup
9:04 - Stage Traxx Multitrack Setup
11:10 - Connecting to Audio Interface
12:07 - MultiTrack Routing
14:37 - MultiTrack Audio Demo
16:27 - Mp3 vs Wav
17:22 - Single File Pros
18:40 - Single File Cons
20:17 - Multi Tracking Pros
21:52 - Multi Tracking Cons
22:50 - Best Of Both Worlds Hack
26:12 - How I Do Backing Tracks Live
28:04 - Outro
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Thanks for all your help and always answering questions, you've really demystified a lot of this stuff and got me up and running quickly. Much appreciated! Cheers
Thanks man! I appreciate it! I’m glad you found the video so helpful 🤘
Excellent informative stuff as usual Scott, thanks!
Thanks again for watching!
Thanks, Scott! Really helpful insights.
Thanks for watching!
Scott, your videos and presentations are always top notch. Thank you very much for providing such a detailed dive into the various topics you cover. The info is invaluable.
Thank you :) I appreciate that! I’m glad to hear that, because I did 11 shows in 10 days in a row this last week…. So I was worried this one wasn’t going to be up to par 😅 So I appreciate it especially on this video!
I love your videos so much. Thank you for doing what you do.
Thank you 😊
Thanks for the tutorial. I like hearing about different ways of doing stuff.
Thanks for watching 🤘
Excellent information as usual. Thank you! 👊🏻🥁🤘🏻
Thanks!
Thanks! I’m amazed how many of your videos I come back to over and over as reference. Please keep it up and thanks
Thanks man! I sincerely appreciate that, that’s really generous of you! 🤘🤘🤘 glad you’ve enjoyed the channel!
So clear and helpful! Thank you
Scott, you make the BEST informative videos.
Thanks for all your hard work.
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Thank you! I appreciate that 😊🤘
Once Again, Great Job !
Thank you 🙏
THANK YOU for sharing your knowledge with us!
Glad it was helpful!
Absolutely brilliant vid thank you 🙏
Thanks!
This was super helpful going with option one
Lots of helpfull info, thanks a lot
Glad it was helpful!
Super helpful. I'm just getting started with using backing tracks in our band.
Great to hear!
New favourite channel right here. This guy is reading mind!!
Thanks Alex 🤘
Dang it Scott has the best vids on every topic he does!!!💪🏽😎🏝️
Thank you 😊
Excellent as usual, Scott! My tried-and-true way is doing the single-file solution, but I always like to get your take on this stuff, just to see if there's anything I'm not thinking of.
Yeah man, that corporate band has been doing it that way for like a decade. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it!
Your channel is a gem!! You make complicated stuff simple - and that's rare! Keep it up!
I appreciate that!
Exactly, very rare,
I was a solo act and made my own tracks for a cover act.
Didnt have digital then. 1st used cassettes, then minidisk and DAT TAPES. I usually just used the input in the mixer and mixed from the stage.
Hi Scott! I love your videos, especially your ability to communicate clearly and simply. I am in the middle of switching from using Loop Community to Stage Traxx, and your videos have been invaluable! I am using tracks for classic and 90s rock covers with full band and duo, and a Linkin Park tribute called Hybrid Theory in north Texas. I started out using MainStage which was great but as I play guitar, keys, and run tracks I needed to simplify. Im loving Stage Traxx so far. Thanks again!
Nice man! Awesome 🤘 glad you’ve found the channel helpful!
Thanks for the video! Have a great day.
Thanks, you too!
You do a really great job of presenting this information. The Pros and Cons info alone is very helpful. My wife and I have a duo and we use backing tracks on some of our tunes - mainly for private gigs when some party tunes are called for. I've always used the single-track method - click on the left and audio on the right. We mix from the stage. Whenever we've done larger shows involving a sound company, I hand the guy two lines. Sorry, but many sound people are not good and can hurt you. Giving them two lines is darn near foolproof. Here's the MAIN reason I do a single track: Our gig requires a lot of concentration. I'm singing, playing, calling songs on the fly, dealing with the wedding coordinator, talking to the father of the bride, making sure the timeline is followed and much more. There's no way I could deal with mixing multiple tracks and lastly, I'm 100% convinced the audience could not tell the difference. Most of the rooms we play in were never designed to have live music - hotels, country clubs, vineyards, etc. I want it to sound as good as possible but I would never have the time to invest the time into doing multitrack mixes for our tracks - there's no space in my life for dealing with all of that. I mix our tracks in Protools and with new backing tracks I may have to go back and do another mix or two to get balances right, but that's a quick process. CROSS TALK - I've found that whenever I had a cross-talk issue, it was usually something like the click going through an Aux track - like for reverb. I use minimal effects now for our tracks for that reason and also because with these funky rooms we play in sometimes, the last thing you need is reverb in a room with a bad echo or slapback. I can add a touch of reverb from the board in a dry room but I can't take reverb off if it's on the track. Anyway, great info Scott and thanks for investing the time to explain it all clearly. Much appreciated.
excellent bit of information
Thank you 😊
Have to say Scott these tutorials have been a mind of information. They have helped me a lot prepare my own backing tracks to play along with. Thank you
Great to hear! 🤘
@@ScottUhlMusic Hey Scott, I have used your method for doing my backing tracks on Stage Traxx. I still need to get my own method. One question I have though Is as I don't have a monitor speaker and Using the IEM . I can't hear myself at all now. Unless I have set this up wrong. Any advice would be great or if you have done a video about this. If you could point me in the right direction that would be great. Tanks Chris
Scott, love your stuff. I also love and use Stage Traxx but now I'm adding in Multitracker and, thanks to a very cool way to trigger Multitracker via Stage Traxx, I'm getting the best of both. The unlimited tracking of Multitracker and the lyrics and playlist set up of Stage Traxx. I'm still overhauling my show to accomplish this (daunting but in the end, I think, worth it) but so far I like the combo of the two. Keep up the great vids, I expand, or at least refresh, my knowledge with each one.
Oh nice!! Yeah that’s a great combination 🤘🤘
Thanx againScott for not spending the most important part of the video (The beggining) obsessing about the algorythm, liking, pressing the bell icon and commenting before you have even had a glimpse of the content. I learned a few things within those precious moment others waste banging on about their sponsers. Thank you, I fully recomend your channel and look forward to learning more here..
Thank you! I appreciate that. And yeah, gotta get straight to it at the beginning. It’s important!
You are awesome man!
Always super informative!
Thanks!
As usual, a very interesting video to see what your gigging methods are. We are free to take what we find useful for our own gigs... knowledge has this wonderful propriety : you still have it once you gave it to others ;)
Thank you 😊
Great video! the hybrid method is the best and easier regarding control and less cables...I use Prime with separated stems but use the Y cable (click/tracks) going out of the iPad...
Nice! I’m glad Prime can do that too 🤘
Thanks Scott!!! You are such a cool dude.
Awwwww shucks 🥹 Thanks Tiffany. You ready to be on an episode??
@@ScottUhlMusic sure am! :) I’d be honored!!!!
Hey Scott! Your videos have really helped propel me and my live music gear and techniques. Thanks for all your videos!
I wanted to share How I currently run backing tracks. I use an iPad and Stage Traxx, connect iPad up to my XR18 via USB and route audio to each of the channels using USB input on the channels instead of the XLR inputs. I also pass through my StageTraxx midi commands through the USB input to the MIDI out of the mixer into my Kemper. A small con of XR18 midi pass through is it disable midi support for the XR18 but pros outweigh cons for me currently!
TLDR; My Channels 5-8 are my bass, synth, backing vox and eDrums being fed directly from iPad to mixer USB input.
Nice! That sounds very similar to the way I do it with my 90s cover band 🤘🤘
Very helpful thanks your a true pro!❤
Thank you 🙏
Great video, Scott.
I'm in the throes of setting up a live rig - I play piano and guitar (one at a time!) to minus-one tracks and have never done this before. As a guy in his 60s, I'm finding the sheer choice of gear overwhelming, as I've always just used complete backing tracks run straight from the Macbook to the PA alongside the vocal mic, karaoke fashion.
I found the video accessible and easy to understand, so have liked and subscribed.
It's early days in getting performance-ready as you have steered me back to the track set up in regard to a solution for not having the click track go FOH - great tip there!
I'll be looking at your other vids now.
Great job - thanks again.
Thank you! Glad you found it helpful
I use a Ketron module, it can play 6 channel wav files, tracks 1 and 2 are grouped to stereo, tracks 3 to 6 are mono, 6 can be routed to aux out, so been used as click/ cue. You can adjust volume for 5 parts.
Very cool! Well explained. One of the reasons I love my X32 so much is that it IS an interface as well as the FOH desk. I can set it up to receive any number of channels from the card (computer) and mix them in as regular channels like they were live. With 16 xlr outs I can keep IEM's stereo if desired.
And for anyone knocking the X32 for it's pre's, just use the DL32 and your using the Midas pre's that are in it.
For the money, you can't beat that setup. Cheers
Yup! I do the same thing now and I love it
Love your videos man
Thank you!
Very nice. I use a 7.1 soundcard. And have the front of house on front channel in stereo. And the click and or other on the other channels.
Oh nice!
Thanks
Just found this channel and it's great. I'm thinking about adopting backing tracks+click with IEM. With Windows platform (laptop/tablet) I have configured simple 5.1 USB sound card as 6-channel output interface instead of Track Rig. That way I can have stereo backing track + click/cues separated for PA (front L/R output) and IEM (center/bass output) mapped from a single Cakewalk project. Tnx!
Incredible walk-through for someone ready to take this step. You are patient and thorough. Seems like you also have videos for those who aren't yet ready to absorb all the jargon just yet but this hit perfectly at the right place and time for me. For other lurkers: I'm the kind of lurker who doesn't go out of the way (sorry not sorry) to comment unless I feel 1) I should warn others for the sake of humanity to avoid a bad experience or 2) guilty to have accessed new knowledge which clearly I didn't deserve. This video is the latter. I subscribed and liked so hopefully those two actions contribute to advertisers footing the bill for this guy. 10/10. Will watch again.🙌
Thanks for the sub and like! 🤘🤘🤘
@@ScottUhlMusic Annnnd...you're responsive AF. Cheers to something so rare yet so valuable, brother 🍻
I'm glad that somebody made a video like this, really helpful !!!
I'm wondering though, because I have a Focusrite 18i8 1st gen and I want to run backing tracks from my laptop (running reaper) what are the things I have to do in order to make it work ?
Thanks! And using the steps I go over in this video will be the same idea, just have to route the outputs in reaper
this is an amazing channel. I am a career old school pianist/keyboardist and have been recently asked to play in a duo but asked to run tracks, which I have never done before. So your channel has been amazing. I have a dumb question. Being a pianist I get asked for requests all the time. Most of the time I know them, if I don't I can work fudge through them by whacking chords/lyrics up on my iphone (great for tips) Would you ever do a request if you dont have the track available, eg. just acoustically? I was thinking of even just having a track with a kick drum as I can cover the bass, chords on piano and vocals!
Yeah we’ve done that before for sure 👍 we get as far as we can anyways. It usually goes well if people want to hear it and they often sing along with it. Glad the channel has been so helpful 🤘
Hey Scott, awesome video once again!
I started using Multitracker once I saw your video, but would really love to use Stage Traxx 3 because it offers way more features I can use. The only reason I haven't is because ST3 doesn't offer the option to create tracks with a click (like Multitracker does).
This is important for my band because we only use backing tracks on about 5 songs, the rest we use the click to keep the in check as far as the tempo goes.
Anyway sorry for venting 😅, just hope ST3 adds in that feature soon. It would really be a major plus!
Thanks again!
Ah gotcha, that makes sense. I just export my own click because I like to do double time changes and stuff like that personally
It's actually pretty simple to create/export a click track. I do it in Reaper but I'm sure all the other Draws can do this: Set your Daw metronome how you like it then route it to an empty track that is set to record. Export that track as {click.mp3} along with your other stems. Easy Peasy, and maybe Scott can include that in a vid if he hasn't already--I'm still working my way thru all of them 😂
Great video, Scott. I came away learning more than anticipated. We run tracks using the single file method from an iPad using Sound Cue, and also keep a backup iPad using Stage Traxx3. Started with WAV files and eventually settled on using the higher resolution MP3 format. Both the drummer and myself (bassist) get the click so that if the drummer misses the count-in, I can cue the band on the count. The other band mates aren't cool with hearing the click track in their in-ears.
Nice! And yeah, singers in particular struggle with click in ears at first. But all the singers I play with now are used to it. I love playing to click live personally
I can’t find SoundCue in the App Store. Is it still available?
I could not find it some years after I downloaded it. For my back-up iPad I went with Stage Traxx3. It has some interesting features over SoundCue.
Sound Cue IMO presents itself in a more straight forward manner and is simple to use. Otherwise Stage Traxx3 will get the job done.
@@johnstraley9057 thanks for the info!! Looks like I’ll be going with stage Traxx 3 then!
Thanks Scott, great video as always! Question on the labels for cables you are using. What size label worked best for you? The large or medium?
Thanks! And I use the large ones personally
Oh my god, your whole channel is so much help for a down to earth band, I really can’t emphasise that! Thank you!
I watched a lot of your earlier videos and most of the affiliate links doesn’t work now, I wish you could change them for living links for you to get what you earned.
Thanks! Do you know which links aren’t working? Thats unfortunate that some of them hadn’t, as this video isn’t that old… thanks for the heads up! And even if you use the links to GET to the website, if you still buy something after using my links to get to the website, I’ll still get credit :)
Oh, no, I was talking about other links in your older videos - I am binge watching all of them. But that is nice and reassuring if it works even when you use the link to get there!
I surely will use them when the time comes :)
Thanks a lot for your channel again!
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I'm using a hybrid method - multitrack backing tracks on an iPad in StageTraxx 3, but I'm only using the headphone out. Tracks on left, click/cues on right. With multitracks, I can mute or unmute as needed without needing different version of backing track files. This way if I'm practicing, I've got drums, bass and all backing tracks on. If I'm with a full band, I can mute drums and bass. If I have a drummer, but no bass player, mute drums, but unmute bass. This also gives me the flexibility to add an audio interface down the road. EDIT - I see you covered this at the end of the video.
Yup! Such a great way to do it 🤘🤘
You’re right about mp3 quality, but there is a slight cpu advantage to use PCM files like wav, there’s nothing for the cpu to decode, it’s all just streaming through the audio subsystem. The overhead is slight, but remember that you have 5-6 tracks, so you multiply this overhead.
Still maybe not noticeable it your iPad could handle many more streams simultaneously in PCM than compressed audio.
Oh interesting…. I didn’t know that! Thanks for sharing man. I appreciate it 🤘
Damn dude, you made that way more simple than I was expecting ☠️☠️☠️
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Great channel and learning a lot! Quick question, where do you get the backtracks itself?
Thanks! And I go over that in this video: BACKING TRACKS for LIVE PERFORMANCES - COMPLETE Step by Step Guide
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If you didn't want the sound guy to be able to remix your tracks, you can always mix them on your XR and send them to an aux for FOH. And that was a great tip on how you switch from multi track to single! Great stuff, as always.
That’s actually a great idea!
Thank you. Awesome video. If you are you are using the splitter method, can you set the tracks so that you can have minimal space between them when performing live?
Thanks! What do you mean minimal space? You mean between songs? Yeah, just stop the track at the end when mixing it down and don’t leave a bunch of space after the song is over
the cross talk is usually a problem with karaoke versions download. If you have it building a track while still downloading another one sometimes it will get cross talk. Also some mp3 players will cache a version so say you download the drums and click together by mistake and open it in apple music, then write over that file with just the drums, you will still hear the drums and click until you clear the apple music cache directory.
I’m not sure the issue is with karaoke version, I think it’s often times more people adding plug ins to the channels when mixing. I want to look into it more
Great stuff!! Thank you!! Regarding the crosstalk, I had the same issue. My tracks are built on Garage Band, Mastered on AudioMaster App. In Garageband, there is a ECHO and REVERB that applies globally, so what happens is any of the LEFT panned tracks with effect added will end up bleeding the effect onto the RIGHT with the click. In closing, check the effects routing.
Yes that’s a great point!
@@ScottUhlMusichi, found on PC and smartphone that just disabling dolby effect will fix the crosstalk
Excellent as usual! How you find the time to do all this is beyond me. I have a dumb question; how do I get to your UA-cam channel? I’m subscribed but don’t get any notifications about new videos and I just want to see your videos.
Thanks for everything you do.
Thanks Chuck! You should be able to see subscriptions under the subscription tab on UA-cam. You can also ring the bell to be notified when I put out new videos 🤘
Thanks so much. I did like you said and saw video after video and they were all yours. Where do you find the time dude?
Thanks man, I appreciate it. Especially now for the summer where I have a ton of gigs (10 days in a row just last week), makes it tough. That’s why I dropped to 1 video a week instead of 2 for now 😅
Hi, first of all I wanted to congratulate you on your videos.... Really interesting, well done and educational.
My need is for live use with my band. 20 years ago I was using a pc with a m audio firewire 410 with which I used to manage stereo backing tracks, drummer clicks + vst instruments played live, all driven by cubase.
Now it's been 20 years (in which I've been away from gigs) and I'm undecided on what to buy.
I have 3 macbook pro's at home so I could use one of them for audio.
I don't need to record: I just want to be able to manage backing tracks and simultaneously play vst instruments live (using main stage or gig performer or something... I'll have to look into that too).
So I'll need at least 4 outputs (using the backing tracks in mono on one channel and the click on another channel + 2 stereo channels for vst).
The idea is to get a soundcard that I can then also use in the future if I decide to switch to ipad (to lighten up the equipment).
I also need to connect at least two keyboards via midi, and this I could do by adding a usb hub.
I also need traditional midi inputs because I have an old keyboard that doesn't send control changes via USB but only via the midi outputs (although I could probably use a midi to USB cable).
Currently what sound cards do you feel like recommending for the use I need?
Thanks in advance
Thanks! And if you get one of the newer MacBook pros you should be fine with doing a few outputs and VSTs for sure. I don’t know what the exact requirements are, but the new ones are really powerful. I run my whole show off an old MacBook currently.
@@ScottUhlMusic which audio interfaces would you suggest to handle vst and backing tracks?
It’s not the audio interface, it’s the computer that is important. For an interface, just make sure it has the number of inputs and outputs you need
You are so good at this in depth teaching. Quick question, how much memory do I need on an iPad for the Stage Traxx app.
Thanks! And it depends on how many songs you end up putting on it. I have 300+ songs and I think mine takes up around 20gigs now
@@ScottUhlMusic I am 52 years old and starting to play in a band again after about a 30 year hiatus because of family. Starting out and learning all this stuff that is available now is overwhelming and you really help break this all down and make me fell like I can do this technical stuff. You are appreciated
Hey Scott, you have lots of great videos that are helping my bass player and I . We are doing a two man band with backing tracks I made, to make us sound like a full band. It's kind of a half and half thing with the drums, keys and harmonies I sung on one backing track while we do the main vocal, guitar and bass live. Right now we are using the whole dmxis thing with show buddy but we're looking at ditching the pc somehow. Right now show buddy is sending out the midi commands to the XR18 along with controlling my HX stomp Xl. No more dancing for me lol It's obviously controlling the lights as well. The bass player has all the lights pre programmed to each song. So now with wanting to ditch the PC, we are thinking we should be able to save what we got done in Show buddy as midi files and somehow put it on a device that can still control everything instead of the PC. We seen your vid on the Bbeat and that's definitely an option but we're also looking at controlling it all with our tablets. Unfortunately we only have android tablets so we'll have to chose another option rather than stage traxx. Maybe something like Stage Assistant, might do the job. We also have the Boss RC 10r for throwing the backing tracks on when playing a set somewhere with a house system but I'm not sure how much that can help for what we eventually want. Anyway, we'll figure it out and your video's are a great guide with many options. Thanks again Shawn
Nice! Glad you’ve found the channel helpful. Best of luck in your music journey 🤘 it never ends hahaha
@@ScottUhlMusic True and thanks :)
Scott love your work, Cymatic Audio LP -16 backing track player have you ever of them if so what’s your opinion of them
Thanks! Yeah I saw them, but they discontinued it unfortunately.
Hey Scott love the videos ,learned a lot. I have a xr18 mixer and mixing station, and would like to use a Korg nanokantrol2 ,that I am trying to use only for fader control, any insight would be appreciated,,thanks
Yeah you definitely can. Xr18 can be controlled with midi 👍
Wow.. i stumbled onto your channel a week or so ago and just love it. I like your delivery as it's very well thought out and concise. As play in a weekend cover band and I'm the 'dead weight' in the band since all I do is sing. But hey, I can hump gear in and out of gigs so there's that. I also use an iPad so there's that too. I've always wanted to run backing track but my guys are not there yet. Maybe someday.!! My question is how to do you queue up the songs on stage. So you use StageTraxx? I'm using BandHelper at the moment for my cheat sheet. That has all the MIDI stuff, stores files, etc. Maybe you could point me to a video that kind of shows this in action.. Or create a video showing how you do this in your 90's covers band since It doesn't appear that you use a setlist!
thanks again for an awesome channel.. Make me wish I would have listened to my father and taken guitar and bass lessons from him when I was young! In hindsight, I'm such a dumbass! LOL
Thanks man! And yeah I use stage Traxx. We don’t go in with a specific setlist, and kind of just feel out the crowd. I have a “hits” playlist and “all songs” playlist… so if we need to keep the crowd going I’ll just add a song from the hits. It’s a little tough to do while playing guitar but I’ve got it down now haha. We also have a talkback mic for our singer so he can tell me to add a song into the queue 👍
@@ScottUhlMusic I get it.. Basically in StageTraxx, you have everything attached to that song entry; lyrics, charts, etc, along with the MP3. Then when you're ready to kick off a song, you push play. So as not to bring too much attention to yourself and the iPad, do you trigger it with a bluetooth foot pedal or do you fumble with the iPad? I personally use a BT footpedal, trying not to touch my iPad with the hopes that it just blends in with all the rest of the gear and stands, etc on stage.
I use a Klark Teknik DN9630 and route tracks through my AES50 B. It’s very portable and gives you way more channels than the Trackrig. You can route up to 32 in/ 48 out
Oh nice! That thing is awesome! I might have to get that for when I do tracks with the X32. A bit pricy, but thanks for bringing it to my attention!
@@ScottUhlMusic you can also use it in the reverse for recording!
Great video! Question, my band currently uses the single file set up. I usually build the set in my DAW and just hit play at the beginning of the set and stop at the end. We are thinking of moving away from DAW/computer setup to make the sets a little more free flowing. We use an iPad with multitracker for practices. I was wondering if you would recommend using a Bluetooth transmitter connected to the iPad, then hardwired to the mixer, to run tracks. I'm the guitar player and would be controlling the multitracker app from the iPad connected to my mic stand and am just looking to eliminate another cable on the ground.
Thanks! And you can do that for sure. There is a risk with doing it wirelessly or Bluetooth that they could cut out, that’s possible… as long as you accept that risk. But I do think that laptop is overkill for just doing a single file method without any midi or lighting, etc. definitely will make your life easier 🤘
Love these backing track videos Scott! Do you have any recommendations for triggering lights with DMX along with the audio tracks? Ideally during setup I'd be able to play the track audio, record light changes in real time and then be able to trigger both (in sync) during a show with an iPad. I've previously been able to do something similar with DMXis and Ableton, but looking to get away from a laptop on stage. Thanks as always!
Thanks! And I’m looking into that more myself. I have a few products I should be reviewing over the next few months. Until then, I have this video: ua-cam.com/video/3Xm7Rep90Is/v-deo.htmlsi=tPgsLXIJAsTbE_En
Thanks! Always appreciated. My favorite part of your tutorials is that I know you actually went out gigging with the apps/products before you showcase them. Manuals are always best case scenario and live shows are often not lol
Maybe this is the wrong place to ask this question. First off, Scott love the videos and I’m definitely going to be using your services soon.
I am an old schooler of sorts. Had a full band back in the 90s country days. Went country gospel for a few year and backing tracks were accepted well in that genre. Question is, how is backing tracks received in secular music? I’m scared to go at it without a band but a band is darn hard to deal with. Im in my 50s now and just don’t have that patience anymore. I want to do a tribute act 90s country tribute. Sorry for the long text . Talk soon!
Thanks Michael! In regards to “how is it perceived” you will NEVER make every single person happy in the audience. Ever. Musicians especially can be super judgy. You’ll always find someone who wants to hear bluegrass when you are clearly playing metal. You’ll always have some musician who is mad that I don’t have a tube amp on stage. Just do what works best for your band. I can say as someone who plays almost exclusively with tracks, 99.9% of the audience doesn’t care.
Thanks for the reply sir. Really appreciate it.
I use an XR18. What I do is export tracks from Logic and add them to channels within MainStage. Click, Cues, and FOH track sounds using the playback plugin on each channel in the song in MainStage. Then with XR18 connected to computer as an audio interface I set the inputs to USB. Then I can control the individual tracks in the XR18 for separate musician mixes. Etc. Aux 6 out is for the FOH tracks.
Then I use MainStage to run the show and move between songs.
Nice! Great setup 🤘
@@ScottUhlMusic thank you. Watching your other videos on doing the same thing with an iPad and app is making me rethink whether the laptop is overkill or not. I guess at the end of the day they’re both performing the same functions. I am using main stage, whereas you are using stage traxx on the iPad. Am I not considering some thing?
Hi Scott thanks for the very informative videos. Q. At 25:00 you've decided to pan the multitracks backing hard left and cue hard right. Do you have a global setting on ST3 that applies to all the tracks in the playlist maybe or do you have to do this process for each track on your setlist?
I personally did this for each song, but now with the updated version of stage Traxx I no longer have to do the panning and i can automatically route it where I need to go: Stage Traxx 3 - Part 4 - NEW UPDATES/FEATURES!
ua-cam.com/video/JQurzHDFxpw/v-deo.html
Hi Scott this is an amazing video as well as the others thank you so much for this.
I have a question though. If we set this up and run through IEM do you have a video or can you guide me in how I would run this through IEM but also get my live vocals and guitar through my IEM? Would it be as simple as mono each input and click goes in one and live feed goes in other?
Thanks
Thanks! Glad you found it helpful.
And setting up your in ear monitors video is here: ua-cam.com/video/XQjFhkQTVP8/v-deo.htmlsi=HYJ65kYMegQzI57I
Yes! That's exactly what I was looking for (plus how to route the ST3 directly to my Soundcraft Ui24r using USB cable but I guess it'll be similar to your XR18), you answered all of my past and future questions probably 😂 thanks a lot Scott for such a great channel! When we have something presentable with our band I'll make sure to send you dm and ask what do you think of it 😊 thanks again!
EDIT:
One question came to my mind, lol 😂 Can you have lyrics in ST3 with an audio file that is just couple seconds long with a click to give us an idea of the tempo? I would like to just get the initial tempo in and then we would play without it. I would like to keep the lyrics auto scrolling even if the audio file with click ends. Do you think that would be possible in ST3? Just an idea that I got now. Thanks!
Glad you found the video helpful! You could do an audio file that is the length of the song that starts with just like 2 bars of click and then silence for the rest and setup autoscroll that way 👍
@@ScottUhlMusic I was thinking the same but what is there's audience interaction in the middle that's longer than expected? Anyways thanks for such great videos and tips! You're one of the very few that actually answers the comments! 🙂
Hi Scott thanks for all your videos if I use the direct box and the backing goes to front of house that is in mono ? No stereo backing Gr.Ness
If you use that first method, it’s mono. To get stereo you’ll need multitracking
Sometimes crosstalk comes from the cable or equipment, but it can also come from having MP3s which use 'joint stereo'! Check in your DAW if this is enabled on export, disabling it might help solve the problem for any who are having it :)
Interesting! I haven’t heard of that. Thanks for sharing
Kazoo with plate reverb cracked me up xD
The only way to do it 💪💪😂
Great video. Have you evaluated the new Boss Gigcaster 8? If so, what do you think? Are you doing a video on this?
Thanks! And can you save files onto the GC8? I thought it was just for live streaming and stuff like that?
@@ScottUhlMusic Yes you can save your mix or individual channels on a micro SD card.
@@ScottUhlMusic I am getting one, but you have that special touch to bring out the best features on the products you evaluate. I am using this as my all inclusive gigging and streaming platform. I dream to stream and with this, I won't have to scream!
Hey Scott! Thanks for your videos I really have learned a lot. I was wondering if you could help me understand what equipment should be used to send the backing tracks and instruments to the FOH (Front of House, referring to the main soundboard) without latency.
Should the stems of the backing tracks be sent through a DAW with an audio interface? How can you match the latency between the stems of the backing tracks that are sent through output to the PA (main sound system) and the live-played instruments sent via input to another output of the interface with activated VSTs (for example, backing tracks sent through 2 outputs of the interface and instruments played through the inputs like guitars, bass, or even microphone processed and sent to another output of the interface with VSTs of the DAW activated)?
Also, can the vocals be processed too via input of the interface with VSTs activated to be sent via output to the PA without latency or feedback at the venue?
Sorry for the long question! Thanks for your help, and I’ll keep watching your videos! 🙌🏻
Outputting shouldn’t be a problem with latency, that should be pretty simple, and computers don’t have a problem playing audio. It’s when you start adding a lot of plugins that you just need to make sure you have a strong enough computer to handle all of that with minimal latency and more importantly, that it doesn’t crash because of overloading it 👍
Hi Scott, this is a really good video and very informative and user friendly. PLEASE can you help with either a video or a description of how I can do the following;
I am a guitarist and vocalist, and I have a drummer and a bassist - I have written lots of music that I want to play live - we have backing tracks that comprise of keyboards, rhythm guitar and backing vocals - we need a click track as we are basically playing along to a song - I purchased a budget IEM so all of us can use it.
What is the set up and what accessories do I need to buy - we use logic and GarageBand - I have a MacBook .
Do I come out of the Mac and use the splitter and Di still? Where does the IEM box fit in? What do I need to get to make this work - simply and on a budget?
Thank you for any advice 🙏
Thanks! Glad you’ve enjoyed the videos.
So THIS video should answer those questions for you. Like I mentioned in the video, the iPad represents what is controlling the backing tracks (can be a tablet, phone, or laptop). The direct box represents where I’m sending the TRACKS signal to, and the Headphone amp is where I’m routing the CLICK signal to. Yours might be different but the idea is the same.
If you need help setting up an IEM rack, this video should help: ua-cam.com/video/XQjFhkQTVP8/v-deo.htmlsi=VC8vgBWkCSnNn2-D
@@ScottUhlMusic thanks again - I will watch again and check out the other vid - all the best
I've noticed on Behringer x32s that the main stereo output has cross talk. I've also noticed a quality shift when you link channels but haven't dug deeper. I wouldn't be surprised if some devices with stereo channels bleed from one too another. If it's possible maybe try making sure the channels are set to mono.
I've also noticed in Shure psm900s in mix mode.
I need to investigate cross talk more. I just don’t have a problem with it…
Interested to hear whether you prefer a standalone device like the B.Beat to an Ipad. I've tried Stagetraxx 3 from my ipad pro and had a few issues now and then. The worst was the USB C to audio adaptor developing a fault 3 songs into a show (luckily i had a spare). I've just bought a B.Beat 128gb to try for my next few gigs.
Both are definitely great options! There is no right or wrong answer. I do like stage Traxx for cover stuff and ableton for my original music. But I’m trying to upgrade to BBeat possibly
@ScottUhlMusic , mine is all original material. I don't fancy having my macbook on stage at all, because I t3nd to run around a lot and I'm always playing scuzzy little places with tiny stages. The ipad is worth as much as the mac, but it's in a decent case and a bit more robust. The B.Beat looks like the perfect solution interms of multiple outputs, fewer adapters to break, and it's smaller, probably less fragile and definitely much cheaper than my apple stuff if it gets damaged.
Try AMT EgoGig EG-4. This is awesome thing
Interesting! I haven’t heard of that before. Seems pretty cool. I reviewed the B Beat, which is similar but also has video
Hi!!!
I'm using the L and R approach to route the click and the musical track. The issue is that in same parts of the song I can hear the click coming out from the main speakers. I've double checked the panning in the file and it's 100% to the Left the click and 100% to the right for the backing track. I'm using AUDACITY as an editing tool for the files. Any piece of advice would be appreciated.
You rock with these videos. Cheers!
Man, I really need to research this because I hear this a lot. But check the cable and check to make sure the plugins are not on the files or anything like that (although im not sure audacity has it)… that’s my best advice I have for it until I look into it further because I don’t have this problem
@@ScottUhlMusic hi Scott
I got the answer!!! Why there is cross taking on a backing track file with the click panned to the opposite side of the instruments??
Drum roll🥁. It's the quality of the sound card in the device.. Example
Apple devices no problem.
Some Samsung devices - low end modules- you will have issues.
Same with tables... it's not your editing tool like protocols or audacity. It's the device!
Please guys send your comments
Thanks a lot!!!
Cheers from Hollywood CA.
Perfect video again! One question: Did you have any issue using iPad adapter to USB/power charger when connecting to the USB-B interface? Or do you plug them directly with the cable without any adapter? My iPad loses connection with the Soundcraft Ui24R USB interface a lot and I think the problem is the adapter. What you say? Note: I use a similar adapter, not the original Apple....
Adapters are so weird. I JUST had my iPad not connect yesterday after the first song. Only time that’s ever happened. I changed a setting mid song, so I believe that’s why. If the cable is too long sometimes it can disconnect as well. So that can be annoying for sure! Cables are weird why some work and some don’t with tablets.
Yes, that's a big problem when we're using them on live situation! I just bought the one that you reccomended (lightning to USB-B) and I hope it works@@ScottUhlMusic
Great video and really information yet again Scott. I use Garage band as my DAW and Multitracker 2.2 on an iPad with two DI boxes and a Behringer Xenyx 802S mixing desk. We send the drummer the click and the FOH the tracks but we always seem to get crosstalk from the click despite it being panned to the right from the DAW and on the Desk. The splitter cable is the RED one for the click so not sure why this is happening? Any ideas or solutions would be greatly appreciated Pal. TIA
Thanks! And some people say they have that problem, but I don’t know why. I would check the cable and/or the DAW to make sure it’s panning properly. If it’s not truly very audible I wouldn’t worry too much about it
@@ScottUhlMusic Thanks Scott. Keep the vids coming 🙌
BACKING TRAKS WITH VIDEO is this possible on an Ipad this way we are playing our backing tracks and a video feed for the House TVs and Giant LCD . your Videos are amazin SCOTT
Thank you! And the B Beat does video along with tracks and midi: ua-cam.com/video/6UVoB7KTVTM/v-deo.htmlsi=sk5zON-a8Px9tGMl
Hey scott, I just wanted to ask, you have alot of videos showing how to run backing tracks live. With all of your experience and knowledge with these different methods, what have you settled on as your main routing of your backing tracks? Do you send stage traxx audio playback over usb into your X32 behringer? Also do you have everything seperately sent into the behringer ? Or just the LR main mixdown from stage traxx app? ...
Lastly, do you continue to use the Ultranet port output into the Midas 4816 as your go to splitter? Or have you decided to continue snake split/rack split prior to x32? Thank you!!!!!!
YOUR VIDEOS ARE AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks! And I’ve settled on stage Traxx 3, usb into my mixer with multitracking. Occasionally for solo sets I’ll send just tracks L and click R, that’s what is great about stage Traxx, it only takes a second to change that.
And I still use the Midas 4816O as my splitter. It works very well!
Dude thanks for the reply!!! Your awesome man. This has helped me so much with building my iem rig and live rig for my band.
I was hesitant about the 4816O bc theres always that one person that stands up and says but they are all line level signals and that will piss off some sound guys. But all our stuff is line level anyways, kemper x2, back tracks, synthesizer.
So you still run stereo to the FoH for your back tracks out you just merge and send mono when it comes out of the x32?
Lastly do you know anyone who does x32 mixing for live band setups?
Hi, is there any chance to use the single file method, but hear some of the tracks in the clic/cues channel for just monitoring proposes? Thank you so much, this is so helpful!!
Yeah, you can do that 👍 either by mixing your IEMs as such, or pan the tracks centered (just make sure the levels are good)
Great video Scott, by the way like everyone else. Lately I've been using the single track method with the Behringer P1, where through the phone player, I send the click/cue into the L input with the splitter cable and then with a DI, I send the BT to the main mixer, which I can then receive with other instruments, in the other input of the P1. Certainly, as you say, there are limitations... but for what I'm doing this combination is very useful to me and above all at a small expense. The only negative thing is that sometimes I also have problems with a slight crosstalk... I would like to use Stage Traxx, mostly to mix tracks in real time, but unfortunately I don't use Apple, I'm hoping for an update for Android. Anyway, have you ever used the ShowOne app? If yes, what do you think? (ps, my dream would be the B.Beat) Cheers from Italy!
Thanks! And I need to look into ShowOne. It’s been on my list for a while!
@@ScottUhlMusic awesome, so I'm waiting for a video!
So I’m guessing you could use a soundcraft signature 12 and control separate tracks with the faders thru usb although the overall output will be stereo
I haven’t used that product, so I’m not sure
Do how do u get the tracks etc to the drummer and bassist.
With in ear monitors: ua-cam.com/video/XQjFhkQTVP8/v-deo.htmlsi=-u57u9EBMjJEucQA
So im looking at the first method with a slight variation. Instead of going to the headphone amp we have a small mixer and using a laptop instead of an ipad. So will the drummer hear both the clicks and the tracks in their ears? or just the click. Srry for commenting so much on your stuff. Ive just been reallly loving your channel and learning as much as possible.
It depends on what you route to the drummer, that’s what matters. But using a splitter cable will make that easy. Hope that helps, and thanks for following the channel!
Hi Scott. I've got a question about in ear monitoring. What if you wanted click track/backing track and other singers in your in ear phones?
I would watch these two videos of mine: ua-cam.com/video/Kp0tQCfxzWg/v-deo.htmlsi=YiUNzoj_mH3Bk30R
ua-cam.com/video/XQjFhkQTVP8/v-deo.htmlsi=kTzniVzJklYsWlZJ
Hey Scott, great video. Question: If my tracks are on stereo, for the 1st method to work properly should I render the tracks to mono first before panning?
And an alternative to use splitter cable, the cues and click can go to another D.I to another input in the console and then send that input internally like a director's microphone.
Yeah, if you are going to use the single file method, I would bounce your tracks to mono and THEN pan them.
And yup, I send my click to our IEM rack for all of us to mix 👍
@@ScottUhlMusic You would still render the tracks as mono and pan if doing multi-track through the track rig as well right? So you would only have one channel of the 1/2 from the track rig coming out in mono? Otherwise you could lose something coming from the right side (channel 2) in this example right?
If you are outputting in mono, you should render to mono and output in mono.
Hey Scott sorry if this has been asked already Ive scrolled as much as I can scroll ha ha
If the IPAD only has the lightning port, no audio jack will those apple lightning to headphone jack adaptors work just as well?
Yup 👍 definitely!
Great video. Need to clearify this, though. I have a Mac book pro. Shall I connect my computer to my interface with both a usb-c and a 3,5 mm/split cable?
For a computer? Likely you just go into your interface
Ok, thanks. So I only need to connect my computer to the interface with a USB-c cable?
Is the other option (3,5 mm) to a directbox?
Crosstalk can actually happen if one(or more) tracks are clipping. We used to hear the click in the mains while it was only sending signal to aux output. Turned out that was the problem.
Oh interesting! I did not know that. Thank you for sharing! I’ll need to do a video on it for sure once I find out more
@@ScottUhlMusic Thanks to you man! 🤘
@ScottUhlMusic please do! I actually just right now tried to reproduce this, played click track from my phone to Behringer audio interface, left = click, right = nothing, but even with all gains and outputs possible maxed out, no click in right channel. Surely it depends on playback device too? I recall one gig where we had this exact problem, bass recording had noticeable (when soloed) click sound burned into it. Still wondering how that happened, maybe something wrong with cabling there.
Awesome video, one question: I use the multi-track setup with my band but I've been getting CrossTalk on most every audio interface I've used.
Setup => Macbook Air
Audio Interface 1: Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 gen2
Audio Interface 2: Behringer UMC 1820
Audio Interface 3: Behringer UMC HD404
Click is not being send to ANY of the 10 ouputs but still on for example my output 1 + 2 which is my guitar (Guitar -> Input 1 -> Line 6 Helix VST -> Stereo Out 1 + 2) i can slightly hear the click track in the background while the project is playing on my guitar signal.
Also on output 3 + 4 (Backing Tracks L + R) I can hear it if I really boost/gain the signal.
Also we have the SAME problem on our laptop Macbook Pro ...... kinda lost here
Live it hasn't been a audible problem but I know that they are there.
That is extremely bizarre…. You’ve gone over all the steps needed in order to check it… try disabling the click completely muting it and see if it still happens? There really is no way for it to be routed that way unless something really went wrong, so I’m stumped
Hey ! I've had the exact same issues. We had click bleed into the backing tracks & bass outs.
We are using :
- Reaper as a DAW
- The focusrite 18i20 to send separate tracks : stereo backing tracks, bass, click, cues
We managed to make it almost silent by tweaking inside the Focusrite control software, by lowering the click and cues enough.
But if it happend with all you interfaces, I'm afaraid it's also gonna happen with the XR18 which we plan to use as an interface as well...
This is really crazy to hear. I appreciate you guys commenting. I do NOT have that problem with my xair18 with multitracking. I really need to find out why this happens to some people
Hey Scott, what’s the benefit of using the DI box as opposed to just going audio output from the iPad into a mono XLR splitter?
You don’t need the DI box. But if you are sending the signal to FOH or longer cable runs, direct boxes are almost usually the way to go 👍 I need to do a video on “do you need a direct box” because I get that question often
@@ScottUhlMusic Thanks for the answer, Scott, that’s all good to know
Scott I know ultimately mono fits pretty much all applications but I have a question. When you export from the DAW do you export it as one stereo file with the click and tracks panned to opposite sides? Or do you export one mono file?
Definitely export as a stereo file 👍
I have backing tracks for various songs. I'm looking for a way, while I'm on stage, to select an individual songs backing track and play it and synchronize it to the lyrics of the song.
Check out my videos on stage Traxx 3 👍