Discovered by accident that Alpine can run as an app on smartphones. A literal entire OS running as an app. The process involves installing a terminal app on your phone or tablet and installing a list of packages in the terminal that gives it functionality to get it working. It can’t run everything but you can turn an iPhone into a Linux computer this way. All without a jailbreak or virtualization. It just turns the OS into a literal app that boots up when you open it. This means that anything that you couldn’t do before becomes possible.
Been dailying apline for a while now and hard for me to want to use anything else. Takes like 4 seconds to boot, and uses around 230mb on idle with i3wm, eww and rofi for main env. Nix pgk manager really shines though here providing everything it's missing just like your rocky install. I have great hardware so it's not like I needed it to be that minimal, but its absurdly stable and I have great headroom for all my vms which I work out of anyways. If you ever get tired of rocky maybe give alpine a try. This is coming from somebody who has to work with rhel servers all day as well so I completely understand your desire to use rhel 1:1's. Regardless though loving the content regarding your stable minimal workstation journeys.
seems like a great option, 🤔🤔 but i wonder is there any software compatability issues because of it's using openrc? Like many applications take systemd for granded and relay on it to do things right?
@@vaisakh_kmless regarding systemd then with some things like nvidia etc since alpine uses musl instead of glibc and also is missing gnu core utils. So you'll need to have an amd gpu, but as I said I do everything like through vm's; a vm as my devbox, a vm for gaming etc. This base system is extremely stable and lightweight and I use a passthrough gpu for everything else. That way if I want to distrohop I'm never changing out my bare metal system, just whatever vm I'm working out of.
@@vaisakh_km Since alpine uses musl libc (standard everyone else uses is glibc), some software won’t be compatible with it by default. However there’s a page in the alpine wiki going over this, and it says you can install glibc from the repos like any other dependency and things will work just fine. The same should go for systemD, but as far as I know not that much software depends on systemD, it’s just used because it is easier to type “systemd start service” instead of “ln -s path/to/service path/to/rc” (or whatever the command is for other init systems).
@@erdanxiloscient3666 yep, I think that tends to be the case but sometimes if some esoteric peice of software *requires* systemd all that means is just slightly more effort to sort out.
@@vaisakh_km I've been using Artix with OpenRC since 2020 and don't have any issues. And if something is missing, there's probably a service config from Gentoo or the AUR you can copy.
If you want to try a non systemd setup, I highly recommend Void Linux. The documentation is great, both minimal but enough to get all the basics of a system up and going.
Void having no systemd is just a consequense of musl compatibility issues. Official Musl support along with the xbps package manager are the real main features of Void (and no fork AKA LFS gone right).
Yeah, I am waiting for some distro/script that makes alpine into desktop distro. Also I would like to see alpine as a base for slax (and maybe also puppylinux). Alpine linux is also used as a base for postmarketos (it's for smartphones). Also apline linux is very good distro to install inside termux (via anlinux or proot (and I also saw other scripts for alpine linux))
@@brandonjanssen7266 oh thats great to know. I used alpine some time ago to test plasma bigscreen, so maybe that is why I didn't noticed that option (or maybe this option was not aviable back then). Still there are things to remember when using this type of barebone systems like enabling trim for ssd or using some sort of battery management tool when needed (I don't know if these options are eneabled by default on alpine linux)
You could do a video of setting up the alpine desktop. Not because it’s a desktop os but because it’s a good way to demonstrate the versatility and simplicity. Other than that possibly use it as a base for running virtual machines. On an orange pi or something perhaps!! I’m actually most interested in the process of building from source for situations where you can find the git repo for something but nothing is available in the alpine repository. It’s not arch but it’s close in some concepts and the idea of a straight forward building process opens opportunities. The Debian repositories don’t install and survive very well on alpine except in very simple situations. If you can find a nice way to “convert “ from deb to alpine apk that would also be really helpful. That is possibly going to the realms of black magic though. Thanks for the casual video.
If memeory servers me correctly the 3 Original distros were Slackware Debuan and Redhat. From my eduction every other distro came from one of those 3. Thats what i was taught when I started the RHEL academy in College.
I gota say as distro hopper of almost 20years now I'm sold on alpine...I was not new it befor this but...seriously it was installed as sys so fast that I ligit though i messed it up and it wouldn't...nope it work beautifully lol real encapsulates the "kiss" philosophies ie...keep it simply stupid lol... iv already switched 2 of my homelab servers to it and have fully converted all required services and they are running as expected or better...no I don't get all the bloat that needs systemd like my comfy cockpit web ui but it's of no consequence I was surprisingly able to instantiate my "soft firewall"/gateway functions from the basic live mode and I was able to setup all my complex storage configs easly and establish a secure shell and on an on even befor writing it all out the the ssd...seriusly? that easy? what... I don't mean to come off as inapreciative...but...why? lol...have I wasted 20 years tinkering with all these others ...😢...I think yes ...now it wount go replacing my GUI desktop workstation anytime soon but that will just consist of running terminal apps inside the bloated windows 11 install to get all my real work done lol overall alpine so far, my thoughts, well my thoughts are, why did I ever bother with arch minimul installs or debain, well becase I didn't know it was as simple as "setup-alpine" the last time I looked into it lol. so it's perfect for an idiot like me😂😂 ...
One of the best use for alpine is the ish shell on the ipad, you can use it as a full linux terminal to bypass apple restrictions, i torrent stuff on it
Reminds me of DamnSmallLinux. I used to use that quite often on systems with minimal resources. It was made to run off a 3.5" floppy! Full GUI even. Not sure if they even maintain it anymore.
The only personal experience I have with Linux is playing with Ubuntu as a study environment, and my first experience was Knoppix... What would you recommend for someone new to Linux to help them learn the basics, and work it in a way to make it familiar?
Depending on how comfortable you are already with the command line I recommend Alpine Linux. If you aren’t there yet then go for Linux mint for the normal stuff. Alpine Linux is a very simple and straightforward os. The wiki is good too. There are a few community spaces for questions too. You won’t find a more stripped down os that is relatively easy to put a desktop on and learn a lot on the way. It might be a stretch if you think it’s a little daunting. So Linux Mint would be the more comprehensive and “it just works” OS of choice for many.
@tylerdean980 @Germanas1985 @frederickwood9116 Thank you for the recommendations! I feel I will work with Linux Mint as my main Linux Distro to get used to it. I tried POP! OS after Linus recommended it, and it didnt seem to hit the same way as they had it working. Ill most likely experiment with some other Distro like Alpine, or Fedora on a USB or old SATA drive laying around. I have learned the lesson of having linux saved to something, and not just trying to run it off a CD everytime (as Knoppix was just a CD, no storage on that experimental computer I had).
@@frederickwood9116 Not what you should reccomend to a beginner at all. CLI only at first, and MUSL libC and lack of GNU Coreutils breaks compatability with tuns of things. Not to mention their reops are really small.
Even after using linux that long you still dont read the text fully, you could have entered f to 'detect and add fastest mirror from above list' at 6:50
Dear TTT, thanks for sharing your Knowledge Here.. I used standard for PXE Server Setup & i used for netboot files - i got success but client i am getting CLI, How to get Firefox Open with Kiosk Mode in NetBoot it self any guidance..
These are all from my Twitch Streams. I chop them up and make daily videos out of them over here. My Main Channel I've been trying to get 3 videos out a week. @christitustech So in total I try to produce 10 videos per week and 2 Streams on Twitch T-Th. I'd do more, but I also have my day job I go to as well...
What about Pop! OS, what are your views on that Ubuntu based Linux Distribution? I'm new to Linux but I've always wanted to see Elementary OS combined with Pop! OS, maybe both developers should get together and combine their resources and make a whole new Linux Distribution.
I think the main issue with systemd is marketing, the name is a failure because with "d" confuses silly people making them think that is just one thing when is a system mangement suite.
ela file yes we hate systemD not because it's not based on Unix philosophy but because it can't be audited properly, it is not posix nor modular, it is buggy because uses laaaarge code, it is vulnerable, microsoft is involved, binary logs are not safe, it is bloat and last but not least some apps rely on systemD making impossible to use them without it and this is a bad practice...
Less system == less fuzz; totally agree.
As illustrated in the video - speed!
Less is more speed & security.
I have it on both my laptops. Works great on non-nvidia devices. Flatpak and distrobox makes up for the lack of software
Okk, using distrobox with it seems a great idea... it covers for lack of systemd
It doesn't lack software.
Have you considered installing nix package manager in case you are lacking software?
@@vaisakh_km systemd is a bloat anyway
@@vaisakh_km What would you be lacking?
Alpine has been curated for a container base.
Love Alpine! Been using it for the past couple of years on an ancient Toshiba Satellite and, most currently, a Lenovo N22 that I daily drive for work.
Discovered by accident that Alpine can run as an app on smartphones. A literal entire OS running as an app. The process involves installing a terminal app on your phone or tablet and installing a list of packages in the terminal that gives it functionality to get it working. It can’t run everything but you can turn an iPhone into a Linux computer this way. All without a jailbreak or virtualization. It just turns the OS into a literal app that boots up when you open it. This means that anything that you couldn’t do before becomes possible.
Been dailying apline for a while now and hard for me to want to use anything else. Takes like 4 seconds to boot, and uses around 230mb on idle with i3wm, eww and rofi for main env. Nix pgk manager really shines though here providing everything it's missing just like your rocky install. I have great hardware so it's not like I needed it to be that minimal, but its absurdly stable and I have great headroom for all my vms which I work out of anyways. If you ever get tired of rocky maybe give alpine a try. This is coming from somebody who has to work with rhel servers all day as well so I completely understand your desire to use rhel 1:1's. Regardless though loving the content regarding your stable minimal workstation journeys.
seems like a great option, 🤔🤔 but i wonder is there any software compatability issues because of it's using openrc? Like many applications take systemd for granded and relay on it to do things right?
@@vaisakh_kmless regarding systemd then with some things like nvidia etc since alpine uses musl instead of glibc and also is missing gnu core utils. So you'll need to have an amd gpu, but as
I said I do everything like through vm's; a vm as my devbox, a vm for gaming etc. This base system is extremely stable and lightweight and I use a passthrough gpu for everything else. That way if I want to distrohop I'm never changing out my bare metal system, just whatever vm I'm working out of.
@@vaisakh_km Since alpine uses musl libc (standard everyone else uses is glibc), some software won’t be compatible with it by default.
However there’s a page in the alpine wiki going over this, and it says you can install glibc from the repos like any other dependency and things will work just fine.
The same should go for systemD, but as far as I know not that much software depends on systemD, it’s just used because it is easier to type “systemd start service” instead of “ln -s path/to/service path/to/rc” (or whatever the command is for other init systems).
@@erdanxiloscient3666 yep, I think that tends to be the case but sometimes if some esoteric peice of software *requires* systemd all that means is just slightly more effort to sort out.
@@vaisakh_km I've been using Artix with OpenRC since 2020 and don't have any issues. And if something is missing, there's probably a service config from Gentoo or the AUR you can copy.
I just found Alpine and WOW. I now have it installed on some Raspberry PIs and an old laptop. It's great. So much fun!
Eh.... Clear Linux is not being discontinued.. that's just not factual (I work on Clear Linux)
I would love some more content on alpine, installing a window manager on it or something just for fun.
It's great for Docker containers.
The Alpine containers are much smaller. I use it as the base for most of my containers.
Awesome boot time, and it's virtualized! I would love to see an install and add lxde wm for an ultra-lite desktop experience.
That boot time ia crazy!
If you want to try a non systemd setup, I highly recommend Void Linux. The documentation is great, both minimal but enough to get all the basics of a system up and going.
I like void, but I’m running antiX with runit now because it’s as light as void but with the Debian repos.
Void having no systemd is just a consequense of musl compatibility issues. Official Musl support along with the xbps package manager are the real main features of Void (and no fork AKA LFS gone right).
Void is very very good.
@@ErikOnNoobTube Void has a glibc version, so I'm not sure what you mean.
@@tourdesource Yes? I only mentioned that Musl is offically supported and maintained by the developers.
I have been looking at Alpine as a docker host for lowest overhead.
Yeah, I am waiting for some distro/script that makes alpine into desktop distro. Also I would like to see alpine as a base for slax (and maybe also puppylinux).
Alpine linux is also used as a base for postmarketos (it's for smartphones). Also apline linux is very good distro to install inside termux (via anlinux or proot (and I also saw other scripts for alpine linux))
Just type setup-desktop then choose
@@brandonjanssen7266 oh thats great to know. I used alpine some time ago to test plasma bigscreen, so maybe that is why I didn't noticed that option (or maybe this option was not aviable back then).
Still there are things to remember when using this type of barebone systems like enabling trim for ssd or using some sort of battery management tool when needed (I don't know if these options are eneabled by default on alpine linux)
It also would be interesting to hear your thoughts regarding ARTIX base and dinit... There's not any complex review of those things on UA-cam...
Very appealing. Especially for those who like to exchange Windows 11 for Linux ...
You could do a video of setting up the alpine desktop. Not because it’s a desktop os but because it’s a good way to demonstrate the versatility and simplicity.
Other than that possibly use it as a base for running virtual machines. On an orange pi or something perhaps!!
I’m actually most interested in the process of building from source for situations where you can find the git repo for something but nothing is available in the alpine repository. It’s not arch but it’s close in some concepts and the idea of a straight forward building process opens opportunities.
The Debian repositories don’t install and survive very well on alpine except in very simple situations. If you can find a nice way to “convert “ from deb to alpine apk that would also be really helpful. That is possibly going to the realms of black magic though.
Thanks for the casual video.
Alpine is my goto for docker images
have never faced an issue with it, pretty solid and small! A good choice for docker build to generate small docker images for your applications
at min 5:02 i see in the video that ask the login and password to go..what are thay?
If memeory servers me correctly the 3 Original distros were Slackware Debuan and Redhat. From my eduction every other distro came from one of those 3. Thats what i was taught when I started the RHEL academy in College.
Could you cover a video for dual booting alpine Linux with Windows on bare metal along with other partition drives?
I gota say as distro hopper of almost 20years now I'm sold on alpine...I was not new it befor this but...seriously it was installed as sys so fast that I ligit though i messed it up and it wouldn't...nope it work beautifully lol
real encapsulates the "kiss" philosophies
ie...keep it simply stupid
lol...
iv already switched 2 of my homelab servers to it and have fully converted all required services and they are running as expected or better...no I don't get all the bloat that needs systemd like my comfy cockpit web ui but it's of no consequence I was surprisingly able to instantiate my "soft firewall"/gateway functions from the basic live mode and I was able to setup all my complex storage configs easly and establish a secure shell and on an on even befor writing it all out the the ssd...seriusly?
that easy?
what...
I don't mean to come off as inapreciative...but...why?
lol...have I wasted 20 years tinkering with all these others
...😢...I think yes
...now it wount go replacing my GUI desktop workstation anytime soon but that will just consist of running terminal apps inside the bloated windows 11 install to get all my real work done lol
overall alpine so far, my thoughts, well my thoughts are, why did I ever bother with arch minimul installs or debain, well becase I didn't know it was as simple as "setup-alpine" the last time I looked into it lol.
so it's perfect for an idiot like me😂😂
...
One of the best use for alpine is the ish shell on the ipad, you can use it as a full linux terminal to bypass apple restrictions, i torrent stuff on it
I’m trying to update alpine using apk update then upgrade and upgrade just keeps saying ok:35 MiB in 45 packages and never updates anything. 🤦♂️
Reminds me of DamnSmallLinux. I used to use that quite often on systems with minimal resources. It was made to run off a 3.5" floppy! Full GUI even. Not sure if they even maintain it anymore.
Nope. TinyCore is basically the modern equivalent.
it's in the raspberry pi Imager program now, as an installable OS option
If you hear people talking about Clear Linux in the past tense, please set them straight!
Artix Linux has decent boot times and is very minimal too!
Its based on busybox with musl libc
Are there some alpine linux with GUI?
Yes? You just do set-desktop
Alpine is in my back pocket for my custom Linux build….for reasons
The only personal experience I have with Linux is playing with Ubuntu as a study environment, and my first experience was Knoppix...
What would you recommend for someone new to Linux to help them learn the basics, and work it in a way to make it familiar?
If you’re looking for the windows like UI most people recommend Linux Mint these days. Great for beginners, it’s what I started on
I jumped into arch Linux with gnome.. brilliant in setting everything in the right place... And it's. Less windows...
I highly recommend fedora...
Depending on how comfortable you are already with the command line I recommend Alpine Linux. If you aren’t there yet then go for Linux mint for the normal stuff.
Alpine Linux is a very simple and straightforward os. The wiki is good too. There are a few community spaces for questions too. You won’t find a more stripped down os that is relatively easy to put a desktop on and learn a lot on the way. It might be a stretch if you think it’s a little daunting. So Linux Mint would be the more comprehensive and “it just works” OS of choice for many.
@tylerdean980 @Germanas1985 @frederickwood9116 Thank you for the recommendations!
I feel I will work with Linux Mint as my main Linux Distro to get used to it. I tried POP! OS after Linus recommended it, and it didnt seem to hit the same way as they had it working.
Ill most likely experiment with some other Distro like Alpine, or Fedora on a USB or old SATA drive laying around.
I have learned the lesson of having linux saved to something, and not just trying to run it off a CD everytime (as Knoppix was just a CD, no storage on that experimental computer I had).
@@frederickwood9116 Not what you should reccomend to a beginner at all. CLI only at first, and MUSL libC and lack of GNU Coreutils breaks compatability with tuns of things. Not to mention their reops are really small.
Where systemd, what systemd? I saw OpenRC 🤷 5:10
I use alpine so much
Alpine is cool, but Debian Turnkey Core is my jam on Proxmox. Debian has too many packages in their repositories for me to use anything else.
Damnit! The download keeps cancelling though I have internet up and running 🤬
Even after using linux that long you still dont read the text fully, you could have entered f to 'detect and add fastest mirror from above list' at 6:50
What do you think of Puppy Linux? CAN be installed on HDD or SSD, but it's meant on be run on a USB pendrive.
I belive there was one prio linux disto before slakware was released. However slackware is the oldest distro still being updated.
Yggdrasil maybe?
Dear TTT,
thanks for sharing your Knowledge Here..
I used standard for PXE Server Setup & i used for netboot files - i got success but client i am getting CLI, How to get Firefox Open with Kiosk Mode in NetBoot it self any guidance..
why are your videos of late seem to start halfway or something
because they are clips from his streams, he seems to have stopped making traditional videos in favor of stream snippets
this is a different channel, he just released a regular video on his regular channel about 1 hour ago
These are all from my Twitch Streams. I chop them up and make daily videos out of them over here.
My Main Channel I've been trying to get 3 videos out a week. @christitustech
So in total I try to produce 10 videos per week and 2 Streams on Twitch T-Th.
I'd do more, but I also have my day job I go to as well...
@@TitusTechTalk oh, there are multiple channels..ok ignore me then i am an idiot lol
Alpine is an independent musl distro
Slackware is the oldest (July 1993) followed by Debian (August 1993).
I'm curious how it would work on my pc...
Good video
Is this new account ？
This is just my live stream clips channel
What VM manager is this?
Virt-manager. A front end to kvm/qemu
Most Distros work well in a VM. It might be more interesting if you got a real potato to test them
soooo alpine is user friendly arch linux? COOL!
What about Pop! OS, what are your views on that Ubuntu based Linux Distribution? I'm new to Linux but I've always wanted to see Elementary OS combined with Pop! OS, maybe both developers should get together and combine their resources and make a whole new Linux Distribution.
noob question, what is that VM software?
Virt-manager
@@tylerdean980 Thank you Thank you!
I've stopped using Alpine for containers after having so many unpredictable issues with networking.
What kind of issues?
@@tourdesource random disconnections from the network on production, as I recall
@@joshaustintechthat is due to musl’s dns being udp and tcp, not alpine as a whole. These issues can easily be fixed.
Y U NOT USE TWRMINAL?!
what VM are you using here?
QEMU with Virt-Manager
@@TitusTechTalk I'm using the same but I also use Hyper V and its Virtual machine manager (?), and WSL when I run Windows 11
oh right, i heard it's better than v-box and gnome boxes right? is there a how to install for manjaro?
type setup-desktop then choose a desktop
Hey titus talking about alpine hurrayy
nope, nixos is so minimal you remove systemd it's still run on busybox nix geht mehr!
all linuxes used to use openrc way back when
...porteux, and it's based on slackware, so you won't have to upgrade to a new version for at least 6 years.
I think the main issue with systemd is marketing, the name is a failure because with "d" confuses silly people making them think that is just one thing when is a system mangement suite.
Why ppl only talk about low end systems or containers you can legit also use it on a powerful laptop pc arch systemd is ret ard ed anyways
alpine is great, until you got into some random dns error
Artix Linux is easier to install and is very modular.
Those systemd haters... Instead of debating Unix philosophy, why don't they just call it SLOW
ela file
yes we hate systemD not because it's not based on Unix philosophy but because it can't be audited properly, it is not posix nor modular, it is buggy because uses laaaarge code, it is vulnerable, microsoft is involved, binary logs are not safe, it is bloat and last but not least some apps rely on systemD making impossible to use them without it and this is a bad practice...
Man... systemd really is holding back Linux lol
I dislike alpine as a developer, if something behave strange chances are it would run fine on any other distro.
php nop nop nop alpine not redy for use jet
My neighbor crash alpine linux.
"alpine based on slackware"
You just can't hack an html file😆😆😆
?
no gnu 😀😀😀😀
Unless you're porting it to work with the GNU HURD kernel. Someone is actually doing that!
it s my fav distro.