Ukraine, Russia, and the Future of the Liberal Order - Hagel lecture series
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- A Conversation with Ambassador Michael McFaul and Secretary Chuck Hagel
Streamed: Fri, Mar 24 from 5:00 - 7:00pm CDT
This is the third lecture of our annual Hagel lecture series, a forum to amplify and encourage greater civic participation in critical discussions. Chuck Hagel, the 24th U.S. Secretary of Defense, and keynote speaker Michael McFaul, former Ambassador to Russia, discussed the current situation in Ukraine, economic sanctions on Russia, the impact on the war in Europe, and the future of NATO. The event was hosted by the Chicago Project on Security and Threats (CPOST) at the University of Chicago on March 24, 2023, and was moderated by CPOST Director, Prof. Robert Pape.
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Where is John Mearsheimer?
Museum
John Meirsheimer is one of the only fair opinionist not this Misguided intertwines.
They do not want him in... he would be contradicting their views and optimism with facts and logic
They describe the world which no longer exists. They just don't get it or they are dishonest. May be both. Anyway their academic competence is quite low. Just a neocon chat.
🤨 guess your a trump supporter too ?
@@Aussie-Mochayour a unserious person
@19:26 Thou wilt not annex the territory of thy neighbor.... unless that neighbor is our friend--see the case of Israel and the Golan Heights.
Or Turkey.
One must be very clear about the words one uses.
It must be emphasized that the US has not been founded on the Principle of Annexation. Neither in the invasions on the mainland or on the invasions to acquire foreign territories and 800 military bases which project dominance to all corners of the globe. All the Annexation done, has been with the consent of the annexed.
Where UChicago prof Mearsheimer? McFowl prob too scared to debate him.
Mind Begs the Question:
If deploying Weapons,Troops
In USA backyard (Cuba) - not Allowed
In Russia,China backyard (Ukraine,Taiwan) - Allowed
Democracy,Imperialism?
It's the old adage of "it's ok when we do it" the top dog at any time tends to have its fingers in too many pies, then they get burnt.
who said is not allowed? imperialist say its not allowed, U.S. treats Cuba with imperialism, everyone knows that, every year the U.N. votes comdemning it, and almost everyone votes against the U.S. Luckly things been changing, Nicaragua invited Russian troops to rile up the U.S. and they didnt care, they care though about Solomon Islands getting cozy with the CCP, but have you seen anyone talking about invasion? except the same people who wish to abandon Ukraine so that the U.S. does not look hypocritical when they invade Mexico?
I think it is very funny. They talk a lot and they agree on everything. There is no debate.
Yes. There is one of main points: "Putin can not win."
However, what is considered to be a victory?
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There is a problem of anti-Russian education in Ukraine, the lack of equal rights (between the citizens of Ukraine).
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There was a problem of the lack of security for the population of Donetzk and Lugansk.
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Putin wanted to solve these problems - in a wrong way.
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However, if the West helps Ukraine to win - not solving these problems - that will not lead to a stable peace.
Such "debates" are simply food for sheep
@@hakunamakaka8616 No, it's just a discussion between people who already agree about major issues.
@@FILOZOFUS87 That's absurd. Putin created security problems in Donbas.
And I agree with what you wrote,🤣🤣🤣 Their idea is not to debate but to help propagate whatever Pentagon wants them to be propagate. Their book project is most likely financed by the US military.
Well, everybody knows that it's a proxy war, and that if NATO(=USA) decides not to deliver weapons anymore, that than it would be over tomorrow. How the professor can say (answering a question) at about 1:24:00 that Mr Selensky "is not a vessel of the british empire" with a straight face is beyond me...B. Johnson did not represent the british Empire when he disrupted the negotiations from 2022, he represented NATO(=USA)...
For Ukraine it's a war of national survival. Either they are a sovereign country or are part of Putin's empire
He also didn't sabotage negotiations, the revelations of the Bucha and Izyum massacres as well as the subsequent denial from the Kremlin did. Additionally Russia was barely engaging in talks anyway.
What is liberal about the liberal order?
As much as what's new in neoliberalism. 😂
@@michstockholm1164 😂 good one, haven’t heard that one before 😂
your children will not be in re-education camps like the Uyghurs, or running around in military uniforms in kindergartens like the Russians. Although if you are a masochist or you like eternal war and raising your son like a cow for slaughter, then Russia is your choice.
how they liberally screw us all
None of these three people understand Russia: this is the biggest mistake of all!
Agreed. And actually Russia is not that complex to understand - it values fairness over 'freedom'. Its not 'cool', neither it wants to become cool but it wants to be partners with the 'cool' west. It has a lot of patience but when its gone - there is big trouble. Nobody notices the patience going away year by year but everybody see the trouble now.
Such a. shame. They didn't even invite an expert on a topic from Chicago University professor John Mearsheimer, who really understands the situation.
@@mkorinets in which way does it value fairness when it invades a sovereign country? if it wanted to be partners with the west it should've been a normal country and leave its imperial dreams in the past. Instead it just can't get over its imperial past.
@@JimSendre вы плохо понимаете значение слова "суверенный"
@@arl4456 Yes I know russia needs to learn what it means by Ukraine.
We need a MULTIPOLAR world.
The biggest mistake of the United States is that they perceived the collapse of the USSR as their victory, although in fact the collapse was for internal reasons. Russia has never admitted to being defeated. Russia offered peace in 1991, but the US took it as a defeat and began to treat Russia like a spoils of war.
Another mistake follows from this mistake: the US is trying to destroy Russia as the USSR. But in today's Russia there are NO such internal problems as there were in the USSR. Today's Russia is a rising superpower with a lot of passion and ambition. While the peak of US greatness ended in the early 2000s. The US is now a fading superpower.
in what sense is russia a rising superpower…?! rife with corruption, no innovation, staggering poverty outside the major cities
So you visited Russia, then looked down at your friend's iPhone, sent emails over the US developed internet, lusted after a Tesla, looked up at the Boeing flying above your head and decided that Russia is rising and US fading away? Um, ok, if that works for you
quiet bot
@@happyhappynuts this is your subjective comparison, the truth is that Russia can severely weaken Europe because it has the resources Europe needs and that's the reality. If Europe is weakened, that will be significant consequences for the USA led world order. And USA is doing a pretty good job helping Russia weakening Europe instead of encouraging Russia and Ukraine to negotiate. At the end of the day, it's about who holds the resources and who doesn't, that matters. Not democracy or autocracy, if you don't have resources, no matter how democratic you are, your living state would be miserable.
Stopped reading at Russia is a rising superpower. What cave do you live in?
14 initial minutes were the longest flustercluck introduction to the real meat of sizzling lies.
I was about to eat my own eyeballs, just to feel alive. Smug experts unable to contemplate that they may be wrong are tedious
Then once they got into the subjects of interest, they failed to undertake any analysis. Simple repetition of state provided talking points. What hope do the students of these intellectual sell outs have?
@@r4ybc Noticed the same, pretty impressive the emptiness
Like what? What lies did you find?
Похоже эти люди думают, что в России государство решает за человека где ему работать и на ком жениться. Удивительно, как профессора и профессиональные политики не понимают что такое демократия, но легко готовы убивать людей в других странах из-за того, что кто-то им сказал, что там нет демократии.
Демократия это их инструмент чтобы находиться у власти вечно.
Они просто пускают пыль в глаза их слушателям. На самом деле они пропагандисты американской империи и ожидать от них какого-то объективного анализа это очень наивно.
Все они понимают, но пока не видят решительного отпора……
Как зритель из Китая, я разделяю ваше мнение.
"Удивительно, как профессора и профессиональные политики не понимают что такое демократия, но легко готовы убивать людей в других странах из-за того, что кто-то им сказал, что там нет демократии."
Именно такой предлог и использовал срукий фюрер путен для нападения на Украниу. Ты што, против срукого фюрера путена?
last countrys they helped becoming thriving democracies were Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan...and the list goes on. Looks like ucraine will be a great success.
Don't forget vietnam
You love joke
Except for the fact that the US doesn't have any troops in Ukraine. This is a battle between Russia and Ukraine. Maybe you forgot that.
@@johnforde7735 US has nothing to do with it...they make a lot of money, but other than that they are innocent like a child :-))
Thats why they tell us 3 times a day . This unprovoked, unprovoked, unprovoked war:-))
Ask V. Nuland.....
Don't worry about us, after the expulsion of the Russian occupiers, we will manage ourselves. The USA did not bomb Mariupol nor did war crimes in our territory. So let without "whataboutism" please.
They'd left the 'stage' after thanking each other and else ones, so nobody would have wasted their time. Such a big disappointment! Isn't Mr. J.Mearsheimer from that University too, by the way? Where is he?
a diplomat who says I'm not a soldier, I don't know the military field, but I think we shouldn't negotiate, we have to wage war. we need more weapons, more planes, etc. this is what the diplomacy of the Obama administration looked like. the same men are back with the same logic in the Biden administration how can a diplomat get out of such nonsense
Zelensky is not a proxy of America? You grossly underestimate level of intelligence of people around the world.
What about Russian intelligence? Is it better then US?
Because if it is, they should’ve been able to avoid this diplomatically 10years ago
What is democracy?
You describe Ukraine as democracy, a country that was doing ethnic cleansing?
Is your gayism humanity?
Do you describe hegemonic institutions that entrenched poverty in other countries as humane?
There is 0 evidence that Ukraine is or was doing an ethnic cleansing.
You're high on russian propaganda.
Tell a Ukrainian about ethnic cleansing. When, where, by whom, victims, results?
At the same time, express your opinion about the opening of Russian schools in the occupied territories, banning the Ukrainian language, burning textbooks and changing signs, as well as the deportation of children to Russia. Thanks.
Shallow, superficial U.S. talking points. There is nothing new here. This ivory tower discussion lacked nuance and failed to acknowledge Putin’s position and fell back on a caricaturisation of Putin. The professor was uniquely unimpressive and suffers from ivory tower thinking. Or am is not a “problem” he is the only free thinker in Europe who is not a slave to the liberal ideology and who puts the interests of the Hungarian people first.
Listen and research! Fact check . You may learn something 🙄
When mcfaul said China would trade tariffs for friendship with Russia, it's the stupidest comment I ever heard. The USA the next day would add different tariffs, China knows they are in a full blown war with the USA. The bullets haven't been fired yet. The arrogance and racism against China and Russia is truly amazing to watch. The whole world is watching, saying USA is showing it's true colors and evil side right out front. Every bad thing and sanction we put on the world are coming back on us. The states with American troops occupying them will never speak up. Germany is such a vassal a truly sad image.
Oooh MSNBC. There's no objectivity here..am out
Cope
Anyone who starts a conversation with "American and the free world" in the same sentence cant be taken seriously.
I heard only 5 min, why are you guys so arrogant?
Why are you so sensitive?
Douglas McGregor and Scott Ritter 💪💪💪
Scott Ritter is an idiot 🙄
CIA Ray McGovern 💪💪💪
Jeffrey Sachs 💪💪💪
Putin's Stonce on Ukraine
Jaffrey Sachs
💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪
A more appropriate title for the discussion should have been “The Future of the American Global Hegemony.” The US global sway - that’s what is at stake. “Liberalism” is an ideological instrument, not the core of the system.
And would be no war in Ukraine today . God Bless America
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The end of the Cold War was terribly mismanaged and now we are reaping the poisonous harvest of it.
@@jel1050 Putin invaded Ukrained and lied to everyone about it. So who did it? Putin!
McFaul is unbearably naive 😂
Naive? Lunatic
All 'experts on Russia' are good for nothing except propaganda
and he is the go-to person on Russia? Sad, he has little idea of what Russia and Putin are
@@mkorinets and what they are in short?
Obama's administration was absolutely fluke on Russia. They had no idea what they're dealing with.. Calling him naive is such understament
Is he really a professor?
Use the US tariff to exchange the relation between Russia and China?
I'm suspicious where he got his education.
He is an establishment propagandist. Very nicely rewarded for stirring up idiotic viewpoints and arguments to keep American population in a dream world of American exceptionalism.
No sane American would ever support any war waged without their brain being completely bombarded by propagandistic nonsense.
Without Prof. John Mearsheimer this lecture sounds like a war propaganda...!
Mearshiemer is a washout !!!
His narrative lacks intelligence and 360% perspective of both past, present and future.
@@Aussie-Mocha You must be a warmonger 🙂🙂
@@topweddingsa4059
You realise that without any form of western intervention, USSR would control all of Europe and would be at war with China over India and Africa .
Not an ideal world at all. Ask a Ukrainian, polish , Finnish, Georgian , Latvian what it means to be ruled by the Kremlin?
Have you looked in to that history?
How did Russia become the biggest country in the world? Sure as shit wasn’t through peaceful diplomacy 🫤
Good awareness. But I believe Prof John Mearsheimer's analysis of Liberal order, Ukraine, and Russia is by far the most comprehensive, fair, and logical I have encountered. Why didn't you have him on the show?
Your Russian accent if still quite thick; I have recommendation for you, a reliable speech therapist ... the only issue is that she's in New York, and you're in Russia.
Good luck at the front, Ivan. The mobilization will commence in a few months.
It is much more comfortable not to have an actual opponent. God forbit if you really have someone to argue with.
@@dinarap6610 I doubt they can read the English language. They just post whatever the FSB tell them to post.
@@dinarap6610 Mearsheimer's actual recommendations for the current conflict are hardly distinguishable from the current US administration's actions to date. Mearsheimer argues pre-war actions by US caused war. Whatev, but today is today. Any realist would know, you deal with the world you've got. I suggest looking for Mearsheimer interviews post Feb. 24 2022, you will find his recommendations are: Destroy Russian forces in the field, retake all coastal lands occupied since Feb 2022, and destroy Crimean land bridge (makes Russian long term status in Crimea very, very expensive), Then, and only then sign a peace treaty. Please check me on that and get back to me.
Because he will bring up NATO's eastward expansion and have everyone squirming.
"...USA taking sides in this war..." it's the primary driver since last 3 decades for agitating all these wars.
Except that this war has nothing to do with the US. It was an imperialistic invasion of Ukraine by Russia. Not the US. It is driven by Putin's imperialistic desires.
Manifestly untrue of Russia’s attempted annexation of Ukraine and the circa 80,000 war crimes Russia has committed.
Putin invaded Ukraine and he stole Ukrainian territory. It was his choice alone.
Very poor debate. Was expecting the moderator to get more out of these high ranking officials. Looks to me more like a masquerade.
Meanwhile, the US$ is losing its strategic predominance on international trade. Many countries signing deals to bypass the $$$. The US dollar, once safe haven is now feared across the world b/c of abused US sanctions. In the long-run, how will the US finance its deficit? Beside quantitative easing?
Academia is complicit 😢😢
An Ambassador to Russia makes such an assessment that Putin wants to rebuild the Russian Empire? What about the expansion of NATO toward Eastern Europe? Putin kept talking about this issue once and again. He is a great statesman who really loves and is devoted to his country. Victory for Russia! (By the way, I am not Russian).
The challenge is for the so-called "democratic states" not becoming oligarchies or controlled by big corporations such as the military industrial complex.
How long will we allow corporations to decide tax rates, and maneuver to protect themselves from any responsibility for climactic events in ways that totally prevent us from making any progress on a survival-level issue and corrupt the democratic process? We must again care for the group as much as the individual. As much. Compromise is noble.
Who are oligarch, the rich industrialists who donate politicians so that they can pave way for them to profit of govt contracts and get clearance for their industry. The way western countries make fun of Russian oligarch makes me wonder what differs their wealthy industrialists from Russian oligarch class.
I lived 3 years in UKraine
5 millions of Ukrainians refugees are in Russia you dont know this
Ukraine is not at all a democracy...And you are not the free world
USA made worse 2003 invading Irak with Ukraine in the coalition
USA violated its oath made by James Baker to Gorbatchev promising not to advance East Nato
USA is just lying and has provoked this war as usually for a country having only 20 years of peace in 244 years of existence
Zelensky it is proved by Pandora Papers for his major part of his revenues in Ukraine were not declared his country he is a tax--frauder With the dollar dominance of the world is coming to and end, your vassals will run away from you will remain in shorts alone
Each of the people sitting on that stage is vomiting Western propaganda to prop up their masters (Western corporations). The lowest humans can get is neocon and their vassals.
@@yam2050 except Russian oligarchs are under the control of Putin and his lieutenants.
If Russia
has to give back the annexed territory, dose this apply to Israel?
If Israel doesn’t does that mean that Russia shouldn’t? The predictable whataboutery & false equivalence …
Turkey still occupies top of the Syria land and nobody bother about it
Yes
The US should give California, Texas and Florida back to Mexico. If not, it should be sanctioned by all countries of the world.
Yes. Unequivocally yes. Imperialism of all forms is wrong. Which is why Europe should federalize so America is forced to face its own hypocrisy.
This message of lies and half truth postulations has been brought to you by the Military Industrial Complex.
Our elites make me nervous.
Ay
I agree, but what was he trying to get at? Anything in particular? Is he referring to Biden?
I am much more convinced by Mearsheimer's analyses.
Mearsheim has never served in any embassy nor has he served in any military office. Beware of academics with opinions founded on book-learning.
@@thinkerly1 “Beware of academics with opinions founded on book learning”. So you’re talking about McFaul who has zero military experience in contrast to Mearsheimer who graduated from West Point and was in the US Marines. Thx👍
Having the secretary of defense definitely wont give you neutrality here....
@@amandagorter1684 So what's your policy recommendation?
What a particularly bizarre setting for 3 Americans to talk about war and fighting resulting killing hundreds of thousands in Ukraine. This says all about the nature of this war: Ukrainian are not deciding what happens to them. So stop the hypocrisy by saying that Zelensky will decide when to negotiate.
No John Mearsheimer? On this panel? It’s his own School 😅
There is a debate with Mearsheimer and McFaul.
Neocon staring at US fading is priceless. No oil, no raw materials, no grain, no printer. Great results Sirs! Good luck
I listened to it, all through and must say I wasted time on such emptiness. They said nothing of importance, sat there and joked and laughed and said zero. So yes, they have nothing to say since they are confronting a totally new situation, that none of these types expected. And don't know how to handle
@@svenhanson398 My guts were rignt, then! Thanks for the heads up! I like Walter Russel Mead ... though a Straussian he is not a neocon. In these fields we're not expert the most diverging opinions we get, the best.
@@maxheadrom3088 His lecture with all the songs was an interesting way of presenting his ideas. I see him more like a academic of history of ideas. I prefer down to earth facts of actual incidents and the possible reasons behind them. And their repercussions. And yes, I personally like to hear all kinds of opinions, even going as far the ones I dislike. But they got to be rooted in reality and have facts to the bones
McFaul was thrown out of Russia because he acted like a cowboy and not like an ambassador. He is prohibited to enter Russia by the Russian Ministry of foreign affairs.
Sums up their vacuous idealogy... Have no illusions though; these vampires will fight to the last drop of everyone else's blood to hold on to power.
Russia is stuck with $145 billions worth oil revenue in Indian rupee which is useless as things stand today, with the only option available being using it for "investments" in India. Only two days ago, for the first time, India paid Russia in Yuan for oil , which helps an enemy country's effort to make it a legitimate currency for international trade
This really reminds me of the 1998 Town Hall meeting at The Ohio State University with then Secretary of State Madeleine Albright (still available on UA-cam), in which the students were questioning/challenging the US justification of invading Iraq and Madeleine Albright branded those students as Saddam sympathizers. It's interesting that no one seems to be remember (or bring up) America's invasion of Iraq during this conversation of "Putin's imperial ambitions in Ukraine." Kudos to the student who brought up the West derailing peace talks to keep the war going. It's well documented/reported in Israeli and Indian media that 3 months into the conflict Israel's then Prime Minister Bennett tried to help negotiate peace between Putin and Zelensky (and both parties were ready to compromise) but Boris Johnson derailed the process, and Bennett thought that was wrong. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin also publicly stated (subsequently repeated by numerous US military generals) that the aim of the conflict is to isolate/weaken/cripple Russia, and that it's a great deal for the US since it's only costing us money but not lives.
"Boris Johnson derailed the process"
Correct, plent of evidence that was the case!
Какие могут быть компромиссы ? В наш дом пришли варвары, разрушили, убили, захватили. какой может быть компромисс с теми кто желает стереть нас с лица земли ? Лучший компромисс, что бы Россия вернулась к себе домой. А военные преступники были наказаны. Это будет честно. Любые компромиссы с маньяком будут поощрять его к новым злодеяниям.
Bennett met with Putin in March 2022. "both parties were ready to compromise" on what points? So before Johnson "derailed the process" "3 months into the conflict" (May) there would seem to have been ample time for the parties to announce some kind of hopeful details about how the talks were going. Three months into the conflict it is more likely that Ukraine had found hope in its ability to repel parts of the invasion and Western pledges of arms. What seems consistent about this conflict is Russia, rather than cutting its losses, is hanging onto all it can of Ukraine and Ukraine seeking to take back as much as it can. The more recent calls for a cease-fire coincide with Russia again maxing out by taking what's left of Bakhmut and its awareness that Ukraine had the means for a counter-offensive. To me it seems Russia stirs up calls for a cease-fire in the attempt to conserve its gains.
... neo-cons hate both, Ukrainians and Russians, because both Slavs. But they are using Ukrainians because completely corrupt.
the sheer amount of cope is unreal to watch
Mr McFaul did you ply piano with Zelensky?
Russia is the greatest nuclear power in the world so it can never be beaten. Nuclear weapons are not for decoration. so all these stakeholders who receive money from the military and industrial complex must understand that all this money will be useless in the event of a nuclear conflict because most of us will dead I find it disgusting that an ambassador goes to all places to do promoting war against Russia but refuses to explain to his audience the risk of an escalation.
Some historical reference
"The Rise of Ukraine"
"Out of the chaos into which Russia fell after the Revolution of the February 1917, a NEW NATION now emerges - the "Ukrainian People's Republic."
"Dismembered Russia- Some of the Fragments"
"The New York Times"
February 1918
Canadian scholar Orest Subtelny about this newly emerged Nation - Ukraine:
"In 1919 total chaos engulfed Ukraine. Indeed, in the modern history of Europe no country experienced such complete anarchy, bitter civil strife, and total collapse of authority as did Ukraine at this time. Six different armies..., operated on its territory. Kyiv changed hands five times in less than a year. Cities and regions were cut off from each other by the numerous fronts. .....The starving cities emptied as people moved into the countryside in their search for food."
Newly emerged Ukraine struggled for survival. This turmoil resulted in the division of the newly emerged Nation Ukraine between the Bolshevik Ukraine, Poland, Romania, Czechoslovakia. Fragments, absorbed by Poland, Romania, Czechoslovakia didn't get any kind of autonomy ever.
And only in the frame of the Soviet Union , newly emerged Nation - Ukraine was granted the Autonomy. The Ukrainian Soviet Republic was proclaimed as an integral part of the Soviet Union, created in 1922.
And Attention!
The same way newly emerged in 1917 "Donetsk Krivorozsk Republic", with the capital in Kharkov, originally appeared in the frame of Russian Federation! it was also included in the new artificial construct of the Soviet Ukraine on the Request of Lenin!
Such way Historically Russian Donbass - industrial hub of Russian Empire, became the part of the Soviet Ukraine.
Moreover the Northern Coastal land of the Black Sea, with all these strategically important, beautiful cities - Odessa, Kherson, Ochakov, Mariupol to name a few, which were founded, developed, and flourishing in the time of Russian Empire when Ukraine didn't exist yet, this strategically important Historically Russian Northern Coastal land of the Black Sea the Northern part of "Taurida Governorate" was cut off from the Crimean Peninsula and was included in the Soviet Ukraine on the demand of Lenin. The Taurida Governorate was a historical governorate of the Russian Empire. It included The Crimean Peninsula and the mainland between the lower Dnieper River and The coasts of the Black Sea and Sea of Azov. It was split up and its mainland part was included in the Soviet Ukraine on the demand of Lenin as well!
In 1939 and 1945 Stalin included in the Soviet Ukraine the Western territories.
Crimea was annexed by Russia 240 years ago, when Ukraine didn't exist yet "The Ottoman Empire was defeated by Catherine the Great, Russia. Crimea was traded to Russia as part of the treaty provisions and was annexed in 1783. After two centuries of conflicts, the Russian fleet had destroyed the Ottoman navy and the Russian army had inflicted heavy defeats on the Ottoman land forces".
And there was NO Ukraine, it simply didn't exist.
"The City of Sebastopol since it's founding in 1783 has been a major base for Russia's Black Sea Fleet. It is the largest city in Crimea and a major port on the Black Sea. Due to its strategic location and the navigability of the city's harbours, Sevastopol has been an important port and naval base of Russia throughout its history."
There were 12 wars between Russia and Ottoman Empire, and each time Crimea and Northern Coastal land of Black Sea - Taurida Governorate - was recognized as an integral part of Russia, demonstrated increased Russia's power and presence in the Black Sea area and the territories, the coasts of the Black Sea and Sea of Azov.
Since 1783 Crimea was part of Russia, until Nikita Khrushchev, in 1954 decided to take it from Russia and make a present of it to Ukrainian Soviet Republic - without any referendum or
any legitimate reasoning.
It was an internal transaction within the Soviet Union and could be seen as meaningless legally and politically.
Artificial Construct of the Soviet Ukraine was created in place of
Governorates of Russian Empire, with the strategically mostly important Historically Russian territories included in the Soviet Ukraine on the demand of Lenin, on the whim of Khrushchev, when historically Russian Crimea in 1954 was included in the Soviet Ukraine as well.
Until the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, Ukraine had never been an independent state." Ever
" Borderland: A Journey Through The History of Ukraine".1999..
Nice try Ivan
@@vision2080 You too, John.
@@dinarap6610 doesn’t work like that vatnik
@@vision2080 Oh, I recognize a brother Ukrainian. Try not to hate too much, it is bad for your health.
... addressed to the neo-cons, this is a translation of a french proverb : who sows the wind, will reaps the storm...
I lived 3 years in UKraine
5 millions of Ukrainians refugees are in Russia you dont know this
Ukraine is not at all a democracy...And you are not the free world
USA made worse 2003 invading Irak with Ukraine in the coalition
USA violated its oath made by James Baker to Gorbatchev promising not to advance East Nato
USA is just lying and has provoked this war as usually for a country having only 20 years of peace in 244 years of existence
Zelensky it is proved by Pandora Papers for his major part of his revenues in Ukraine were not declared his country he is a tax--frauder With the dollar dominance of the world is coming to and end, your vassals will run away from you will remain in shorts alone
In Ukraine it was the Russians who sowed the wind and are reaping the category 5 hurricane.
@@Mikey-ve6ni oh oh, again someone who didn't understand yet...wake up.
@@yvonbonnemaison8039 wake up to the fact that the French surrendered to German nazis, but Ukrainians are fighting to death against the Russian nazis.
@@Mikey-ve6ni It is the US and Europe who will get destroyed in process.
“The Ukrainians are Really tough. The Russians are Really tough. And NATO (the Collective West and the European Union) is Really filthy Rich. That's all the ingredients you need for an Endless war in Europe.” - Brian Eno
russians are not tough, they just send more men to die in Ukraine but that is not infinite and there's increasing instability in russia itself. There wont be an endless war, it will be over by September with a russian withdrawal. Guaranteed!
Both Ukraine and Russia are fighting for their lives. It has been a wonderful war for the US. Trillions of profits and few dead soldiers. A war made in heaven.
They are "RICH" because their central banks PRINT money to pay out their way out of immense DEBT.
Exactly
But the US has weak and fickle politics.
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The guy literally reading pro-Russia - I guess the Russian embassy paid, but forgot to tell him to rehearse to sound more natural - question from a notebook.
Propaganda always hides behind a mask!
He did get paid; however, after having watched the performance, the Russian embassy clawed back the payment.
That shit gives me second-hand embarrassment, they are probably used to using as a quip on the net against less-education people but when faced with an expert they are fucking shredded, could have been worse mind you.
Watching this after watching Mearsheimer is like 30 IQ points drop ... mediocrity at its finest
I did the same thing. What was your search wording.
You will love this if you are pro Nato 😂
What's wrong with NATO? Do you dislike voluntary defensive alliances to fight off warmongers as a concept, or what?
@@Khalkara Ask the ppl whom been invaded, not me.
@@worththewatch1517 What people have been invaded by NATO?
Can you also answer my question about the concept of defensive alliances?
@@worththewatch1517 How am I racist for asking you for evidence for the claim that NATO has invaded a people/country?
You're being unhinged. Go touch grass.
@@Khalkara come on men…irak, libia, siria, Afganistán, Yugoslavia, a lot of military coups and intervencions in África and Latinoamérica…NATO Isnt a defencive alliace is a extendent arm of USA Imperialism, read how victoria nuland and usa participate in the euromaidan coup in 2014
this sounds almost like a 180 degrees compared to what Mearsheimer says. I would like to hear a better more independent analysis instead of this almost arrogant attitude towards nation states.This conflict is only bad for all people involved, except for the ones making shit loads of money on it, including the US and Zelensky. It has to STOP IMMEDIATELY.
i would like this discussion to start over since the pentagon leaks.
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If you really want to built à better world, why you sustain Ukraine and Zelensky vho want not to allow to Russiaa the access on the black sea. You know very well that Russia needs this access to make their exportations to Africa and the Middle East. This is a question of existence for Russia. The United States have access to the Atlantic Ocean and to the Pacific Ocean for having commercial relationship with rest of the world. But you dont allow to Russia to have also commercial relationship with the rest of the world. This attitude from you mages that everything you talk is hypocrisie . You are not crédible with your arguments and nobody honest People do believe what you are talking. OK, there is corruption in the russian army. But the russian People makes no fault in their appreciation of the western world. They have no choice because Ukraine want to occupy la Crimée, this russian port on the Black sea. You hope that Putin will l'ose the world. But you are making an error of appreciation because this war is not Putin 's war, it is the war of the russian people. And even when Putin has gone, the russian People will go on struggling to have this access on the Black Sea.and they will not allow a reconstruction of Ukraine as long you refuse to give to them the Crimée. So If you really want to bring this war to an end you know what to do. You have make a lot of expériences in Vietnam, in Irak 2 times, in Afghanistan, in Libian and so on. You can give the most sophisticated arms to Ukrainians but by bombing you cannot change the will of a People. The fact that à lot of nations do not vote with Russia is they want to stay not "allignées" because they are afraid of western sanctions. This prove that the real coercitive power is not Russia but the good West who want to force the whole world to have the same opinion they have and to have the same interests they have. You want freedom and liberty only for you But not for the People you consider to be not your friends Your big argument is that only you are democratic But you dont want to understand that the extension of NATO to the east is lived as à real y threat for the Russian People. You wouldn't like If the Chinese would build nuclear wappons on the borders of the United States. Yes it is exactly what you want to do: you want to reduce the russian People to poverty. It is not on you to decide between Ukraine and Russia, that are their negociations and you try to influence these négociations with your wappons and that is not democratic.
Sorry but I'm rather in camp Mearsheimer. He has a more sober and analytical view at this conflict. What I hear here sounds more like wishful thinking. The Pentagon leaks just revealed that the situation is much worse for the west as depicted in the media and also in this conversation.
What's Mearsheimer's view on the will of the Ukrainian people and what they want for their future?
@@bakedbean37 This is about a world power conflict between the US and China.
Please don't tell me that the wishes of the Ukrainian people is all that the american people have at heart. Why don't they ask the people next door in Cuba what they want and what they wish for their future? I'm sure they are not happy either.
@@MG-ye1hu Is Cuba being violently invaded?
By fascists?
And from what I understand there are a good chunk of Americans who have no "heart" at all. Even for their own countrymen.
Just a deep black cavernous hole of hate.
For them throwing the population of another country they'd never even be able to find on a map under the bus is just second nature.
What did the pentagon leaks reveal exactly?
@@Khalkara The NYT wrote extensively about the leaks. There you can read all the details. They also give a good assessment about what is authentic and what was probably altered afterwards.
50:00 About 2014
If you claim that the peace agreement in Minsk (2014 and 2015) meant the full victory of Russia - you are wrong.
By the Minsk agreement - Ukraine keeps the Donbass.
Ukraine has to give an autonomy to Donbass.
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Similar solution was possible in April 2022, too (in Istanbul).
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We do not know what is possible now - if we do not try to negotiate with Russia.
I wonder where most people at the Pentagon went to university to get a balanced view of the world?
Maybe NOT at the Trump-University for pathologically lying?
Overall, I think this is a poor exchange without a proper discussion on why this war happened. The extended fawning introductions were tiresome. The clanger from Prof Pape at 24' saying 'we are in really good shape' is an insult to the victims of the war - sure you're in good shape because you are watching it all on TV paid for by somebody else's money. The statement that Biden has done a great job, except that he and the West should have provided more materials and earlier. McFaul at 49'... 'provide more jets'? - seriously, do you think the Russians won't react?
And above all, the pathetic chuckling throughout, like a cheap chat show.
I watched this to balance my current understanding, but all this exchange did was demonstrate that the US continues to have supporters who want to fight to the last drop of Ukrainian blood. Any one of Scott Ritter, Mearsheimer, Galloway or McGregor would have demolished this lot.
My opinion is to dismantle the NATO and to stop organizing countries in Europe against Russia. NATO (military alliance in Europe) was created against the USSR, but USSR does not exist anymore, therefore, NATO must be dismantle also and stop military arrogance, and respect the neutrality and independence of countries in order to maintain peace and freedom.
The purpose of NATO can change, it has changed to be against Russia's warmongering.
Why would you want to stop organizing countries from protecting itself? Are you mental?
Also it is Russia who repeatedly violates the independence of countries, just ask Ukraine.
They dismantled the USSR in order to eliminate the cold war, and give way to peace and I remember the last president of USSR, said, Now, you are free to choice your destiny, he said to the member of USSR in order to promote world peace, and give the countries a freedom. After that, all presidents Russian Federation wants a former member of USSR a neutral and independence. But, the NATO opportunistic imperialist behavior crossing the red lines and frequently organizing countries (expansionism) of the former member of USSR in the pretext of protecting itself and democracy without overlooking the consequences.
The US came into being as an alliance of colonies against the British Empire, if the British Empire didn't exist the US shouldn't exist either. Great logic.
If the countries of the former Warsaw Pact had not been accepted into NATO, there would have been another defense alliance on the borders of Russia, led by Poland.
Best option is putin to stop the war & surrendering to NATO. This will bring peace & world will be better place to live
Good solid Republicans preparing us to throw the Ukrainians under the bus.
“The Ukrainian army is Well-prepared and offers worthy resistance.” “Our task is not Bakhmut itself, but the destruction of the Ukrainian army and the reduction of its combat potential, which has an extremely positive effect on other areas, which is why this operation was dubbed the ‘Bakhmut meat grinder’.” - Yevgeny Prigozhin, the founder of Russia’s Wagner group.
none of those things have been accomplished and now Prigozhin is looking to leave Bakhmut because they failed and it has bled them badly
why on earth would you quote a degenerate in the first place lol
@@dro355 “The less emphasis the Western media places on Bakhmut's strategic importance, the more important it is to Russia. Why would the Ukrainians fight so hard for it if it wasn't that important? It has devolved into a meat grinder, in their own words. If it wasn't that important, they could have given up and launched a counterattack to retake other more important Russian-occupied cities.” - Douglas Macgregor
@@dro355 “Zelensky will fight Russia to the last Ukrainian. Let's give this man more lethal weapons, please. No American boots on the ground in Ukraine. It's a good investment, in my opinion, to continue our crucial support and our vital assistance to the Ukrainian soldiers so we can stop Putin's imperial ambitions and give Russia a strategic defeat in Ukraine.” - Sen. Lindsey Graham
@@dro355 Michael McFaul fail... in Russia-Ukraine deals too.. I, as a person who worked in the Russian opposition in the 2000s, can say that McFaul completely failed to work with the Russian opposition and does not understand Russia at all, all his conclusions (about China too) are so stupid and ridiculous that he can be shown as an anti-expert on Russia
No matter what title and knowledge these gentlemen got, but to be honest they're out dated. Cannot apply in the current war situation.
It is curious: Not one word about the disastrous economic consequences facing Europe on account of the sanctions on Russia. The panel discussed possible adverse effects of the war for the US, Ukraine, China, Taiwan, but not one word about the strangulation of the European economy. (Henry Kissinger reportedly pontificated, "It is dangerous to be an enemy of the US; but being an ally may be fatal".)
Just ask the Kurds
McFaul was thrown out of Russia because he acted like a cowboy and not like an ambassador. He is prohibited to enter Russia by the Russian Ministry of foreign affairs.
Tell that to Ukrainians. Without US help they would be subjugated to russia already and war would be now in Balkans and Poland.
Did you really expect they would mention the disastrous economic consequence for Europe?
@@Brandespada What is it? This disastrous economic consequence? I'm in Europe. Did you believe your own propaganda that we are eating hamsters here? :)
“Russia is not Only demilitarizing Ukraine. Russia is demilitarizing NATO. The Russians created a trash compactor in Ukraine. And basically, the Collective West and NATO are sending Everything (All kinds of lethal weapons, such as Javelin Anti-Tank Missiles, Himars; High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems, Abrams tanks, and Leopard tanks) they've got into the trash compactor to be mushed up.” - Garland Nixon
what HAHA russia is literally militarizing europe. US and Europe all stepping up weapons production, military recruitments, miltary budgets etc. Finland joined NATO and Sweden is next. Russia even getting the Australians to increase shell production and supply to Ukraine. Completely rubbish quote
@@dro355 “The So-called Western Leaders have no shame, no guilty, no dignity, no integrity, no honor, no honesty, no value, no Truth, and no conscious at all. They Always preach others in public what they don't practice themselves in private.” - Scott Ritter
@@dro355 They (the US, the EU, NATO, the Collective West) pit people against one another: ~ They turn neighbor against neighbor, brother against brother, sister against sister, son against father, daughter against mother, wife against husband, and student against teacher.
@@dro355 “The Only language that the Western imperial powers (the Imperialists, the Neo-colonialists, the Warmongers, the Deceivers, the Propagandists, the betrayers, the US, the EU, NATO, the Collective West) truly understand is the language of a brute force.” - Vladimir Putin
@@zakariyeyahye5566 sure ivanbot
To react to the last question regarding Hungary: the fact is that Hungary is right, while everybody else is wrong. I know it is hard to believe, but this is how it is. We Hungarians say this is not our war, we as a small nation should not be involved. Hungarian minorities live in Ukraine who are practically kept as hostages and oppressed by Ukraine. This fact creates simpathy with the Russian standpoint as large Russian communities live in Ukraine as well. We know that Ukraine is anything but a Western type democracy. It is actually not any better than the Russian regime. This is not a war of the right and the wrong, the situation is much more complex than that. We can see it better as a direct neighbor to Ukraine. The Russians oppressed two of our freedom fights in the 19th and 20th centuries, so we have no reason to love them. Nonetheless, probably the first time in history we have common interests to protect the rights of our minorities in Ukraine or even better, to let those territories where they live to return to the country where they really belong to.
What evidence do you have of "Hungarians being kept as hostages and oppressed by Ukraine"?
@@Khalkara Their national rights are restricted in every field - schools are closed, they cannot use Hungarian language in public administration, Hungarian historic monuments are replaced, just to mention a few.
"Hungarian minorities live in Ukraine who are practically kept as hostages and oppressed by Ukraine." - lying Magyar, better say that you have phantom pains after the Treaty of Trianon and you want a great Hungary.
Remind about March 15, 1939?
No one touches the Hungarian language in Transcarpathia, no one touches the Russian language in the east, give us peace, imperials.
Well, the main thing is that in case of defeat of Ukraine, your turn will come. Russia will organize a new 1849 and a new 1956, because this ally is worse than an enemy.
But we will save Hungary from the Russians, protecting you like a shield, even in the absence of help.
"or even better, to let those territories where they live to return to the country where they really belong to." - not gonna happen.
Mighty Ukrainian Army will push your huns to the Danube in any case. Damn, I thought you were too big. The Debrecen People's Republic as part of Ukraine would be an excellent choice.
There isn't Transleutania 1914 anymore, no need to threaten the bigger fish, okay?
@@Khalkara this is a complete lie, the internet is full of information about it. Orbán just wants a big Hungary, but is afraid to affect the Romanians, plays on us.
McFaul appears to be correct about an Imperial Nation struggling to maintain a hold on trade and power.
The US recognized the power that BRICS presents to Western exploitation of weaker Nations.
The US has been exploiting Latin America since 1898.
As the convention of former Colonies of the Western Powers gather for the August BRICS Summit, the appearance of a majority of the Nations that were providing cheap goods to Western Powers, assembles to ask for fair deals.
Could this represent the actual significant effects that created Western Inflation?
The meetings of Putin and Xi, came directly before Lula traveled to China to discuss the situation with the leader of China.
Yes BRICS appears to threaten the Western Powers ability to exploit Nations.
Apparently that has motivated the US State Department to create a threat to Russia and China that seems is a bit beyond the ability of the NATO Guys to control?
The US struggles to find support for the GDP and as Banks discuss how to create Cash for Customers to pay their Employees, the Ammunition Suppliers ask if they will get paid in cash or simply empty promises?
The US began the conflict in 2014 to drain Russia of economic stability, the cost of the efforts appear to have inflicted more damage on the US and the Western Allies, than any economic benefit will provide?
What act of desperation will US Spooks inflict on South Africa for their participation in the effort to kill off Colonialism?
The cost to overcome Asian Unity is apparently more than the US Budget allows?
The $32 million in Hundred Dollar bills distributed to Kurds in 2002 seem to have been a small investment for the Halliburton Investors?
The challenges to funding this foolish attempt to cling to Imperial American Hegenomy looks like it has broke the Bank?
Granny Yellen claims the Piggy Bank is empty.
She appears to be echoing Mike Mansfield telling LBJ that his war on Vietnam, used up all the money that was needed for a War on Poverty?
This is not the first Currency Crisis the US has faced.....
It may be the last?
Exactly right. Excellent. This is the truth, but our NEOCONS hide it.
I think the world vision is utterly different from the west collective.
unfortunately you are ABSOLUTELY correct, and that’s the sad danger that we will have to live in until there is only one side left standing in THE END.
Yes I agree, its amazing that so many former colonies just loves Russias colonial expansion. Why have we who lives close to Russia no right to stay free? Why do so many in the global south wish us to controlled and ruled by a super corrupt and evil Russia.
143 countries condemned Russia's invasion and demanded that Putin's invasion force has to retreat. Only 5 others voted for Russia and one of them was North Korea.
What an arrogant world, covered in egos
How in the world can the University of Chicago put on a lecture like this, with these speakers and not invite their own John Mearsheimer? It's practically an insult and I don't think it's accidental. He'd make the other speakers very uncomfortable.
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Probably because John Mearsheimer's theory has been debunked and is embarrassing.
@@johnforde7735 by whom? he is a professor? what a nonsense!
@@Maria_Makr Timothy Snyder for a start.
Starts at 13:45 if you want to skip the introductions. Although, there's really nothing new to learn in the discussion.
Listen to Colonel Douglas McGregor and fhe US Navy and forme CIA adviser Scott Ritter 💪💪💪
Hagel you failed Ukraine in 2014 !!!
I wonder why experts with different points of view were not invited instead of two with almost identical points of view?
umm...because it's not a debate. Those are signified by the letters DEBATE prominently displayed. That should help, ask anytime!
They discuss the Russia problem for the US.
how can you be this corrupt and sit and talk shamlessly of your corrupt views like these three , it is really mind blowing.
It truly is. It is hard to listen to lies for such a period of time. But I did it because I want to better understand the minds of the corrupt. Listening to them give accolades to Biden and zellenskyy was laughable it it were for the fact they believe themselves. Looking at the history of the weak president Wilson and WWI to the weak corrupt president of today Biden you can see how they will get their WWIII. But, all evil is in on it. Putin is in on the plan. So is China.
Sorry to break it to you buddy, but Russia is going to win, hands down!!
Yeah ! Win the race to political and military oblivion 😂
Lol, I take 1 minute of silence for the people who wasted thir times to listen to these clowns and their propaganda 😂😂😂😂😂
I learned a lot about the mind set of the warmongers.
“The less emphasis the Western media places on Bakhmut's strategic importance, the more important it is to Russia. Why would the Ukrainians fight so hard for it if it wasn't that important? It has devolved into a meat grinder, in their own words. If it wasn't that important, they could have given up and launched a counterattack to retake other more important Russian-occupied cities.” - Douglas Macgregor
Agreed on results of media myopathy on Bakhmut. However, perhaps Ukraine desires Russia to charge at this red cape that media and Ukrain command is waving at them. UA leadership wants Russians to fight in Bakhmut for domestic political reasons - UA command offers daily info and video from Bakhmut to raise profile an assure Russian focus - Russian focus permits Ukrainian actions behind the lines, and to destroy Wagners criminal corp (not people you want running around with weaponry in your country. tail wags the dog
They’re not fighting hard to defend Bakhmut. They’re fighting hard to slaughter Russian Nazis where it’s extremely convenient to do so, and it’s convenient to do so in Bakhmut because Bakhmut is easy to defend. That’s why the Russian Nazis have experienced such heavy losses trying and failing for over 9 months to take Bakhmut.
@@terjeoseberg990 For every 1 Russian soldier dead in Bakhmut there's 7 dead Ukrainian soldiers dead.. That is a meat grinder!
@@terjeoseberg990 “The Ukrainian army is Well-prepared and offers worthy resistance.” “Our task is not Bakhmut itself, but the destruction of the Ukrainian army and the reduction of its combat potential, which has an extremely positive effect on other areas, which is why this operation was dubbed the ‘Bakhmut meat grinder’.” - Yevgeny Prigozhin, the founder of Russia’s Wagner group.
@@terjeoseberg990 “Zelensky will fight Russia to the last Ukrainian. Let's give this man more lethal weapons, please. No American boots on the ground in Ukraine. It's a good investment, in my opinion, to continue our crucial support and our vital assistance to the Ukrainian soldiers so we can stop Putin's imperial ambitions and give Russia a strategic defeat in Ukraine.” - Sen. Lindsey Graham
i clicked to hear a fair argument and found propaganda 🙄
I wonder why the possibility of the war going nuclear was not raised?
Putin is cool.
Russian nukes must be as poor as russian army in Ukraine.
I was really patient and the first 20 minutes were dedicated to self congratulations and thanking each other. That was followed by lies and propaganda.
You never took part in such an event. So they do it not like you expected to. Oh they dared to think for themselves and not ask for your opinion.
OMG. Is this really the best you've got?
No analysis just a good ole boy neocon chat.
I have recorded this programm because I think it will stand as a milestone for the future generations as to how the American society achieved its peak in terms of decay due to the incestuous collusion between academics and politicians as well as the deep partisanship and therefore intrinsically biased nature of its eductionnal system when it comes to Russia. In this document, we can hear that Russia's invasion is a "non event" because none of the NATO allied states were attacked. And then, a bit later, the same guy says that Russia was attacking Ukraine, an allied NATO state... and no one says a word ! When Russia will prevail, I hope these guys will lose their job or be send to jail for their responsibility in weakening America's infuence, power and reputation.
well put! they will not be fired or jailed. they are serving their purpose, which is to peddle this propaganda to the younger generation so that the beat will go on.
You do not make any sense.
I think it is very important to listen to all parties in a conflict and try to understand different positions, but listening to these persons here... what they are saying is deeply alarming and depressing. What a collection of cretins... and to understand that they are in such important positions is simply horrific. It would make me think that it's maybe not such a bad thing we are approaching nuclear war because maybe some other species will value our planet more than we did... but I have a kid... this is probably the absolute lowpoint in the history of mankind.
we know Russia's position, they want to rule the world, just listen to what they say on Russian State tv
@@RainerMichelle I am looking for a polite way to reply to you, but it just isn't working. The idea that Russians are out to rule the world is pure nonsense. If you want that sentence to be truthful, just put "US" in it instead of Russia. My guess is you must be American. Peace, and greetings to you from The Netherlands.
I will add that for Putin there is no free Ukrainian people and especially no Ukrainian state. On what conditions should there be peace?
Putin will simply roll up his sleeves and methodically destroy the entire elite and those who resist, and teach children that they are Russians.
The world will receive a bloody wound at 500+000 kilometers and then a new war (Ukrainians and their resources will strengthen his armed forces) in Kazakhstan, Georgia, Moldova etc, and then in Central Europe.
I am writing as a Ukrainian, so I know the situation well from the inside.
Its kind of a conventional war from russian side and also proxy war from US/EU side. Also reminds of Afghanistan war from the 80s, when US tries to deplete russian resources from the outside
Unfortunately, the value of Russian Ruble has almost doubled since the war started. The sanctions have failed The world has decided to reduce trading in Dollars. The American hegemony on world resource’s is ending
@@pardeeptandon nobody is having fun economically, least russia, lol
@@planetcaravan2925: The longer the war goes Chinese are loving it. The free lunches Americans have gotten in the habit of having are ending.
Great lecture! USA giving weapon and ammunition to Ukraine is the best choice to make. Ukrainians will regain their teritory if get modern weapon
@@pawegalla-milewski8950 well yeah, hopefully that would put an end to this conflict soon, this is pointless at this stage
Worried about the U.S. hegemony huh? and the Petro dollar? Russian Imperialism ??? you have to be kidding, from the country who has close to a thousand "bases" throughout the world! Hypocrisy at its finest ?? Invasions ?? You mean like Viet Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Somalia, Lebanon, etc. etc......
Look at these fine young men, deciding the future for us old people 💜
Joe, is that you?
They lie to you fools 😂
Why the anti Trump stuff? Biden wanted Zel to run. Trump wanted NATO to step up to the 2% goal.
@@jamessalamon9449 Trump was never a serious Candidate, merely a Poster Boy for Mercer Marketing methods....
@@jamessalamon9449 trumps OWN National Security Advisor said he was going to break up NATO in the 2nd term. And let Putin March right in.
Two people saying the same thing!
Many of the points are made correctly here, thank you for that. In popular opinion though this war often comes down to money and spending and my answer would be - this war could have already ended given the necessary military support (long range missiles etc.). The longer it takes the more expensive it will get. I'm from Lithuania and i've been watching this war closely, listening to Ukrainian reviews every day. I think many Americans have no idea about the level of Ukrainian resolve and, very importantly, about their high ethics during this war (e.g. treating Russian prisoners of war in accordance with UN standards, despite Russians torturing and killing Ukrainian prisoners and population in the most cruel way. So trust me, Ukraine deserves every cent we in the West spend and it deserves victory from every moral point of view. And the sooner they win the less costly it will be.
Thanks Lithuania for support♥️
@@liudmylab2328 Thank you. Ukraine is beautiful.
Basically you said this: “I’ve been reading Ukrainian sources daily. And I see how good Ukrainians are and how bad Russians are”. Amazing logic.
Watch both sides objectivly and you will see how brainwashed you have been.
1:43:00 Hungary and Turkey
The problem with democracy in Hungary appears from the western friends.
Orban has western friends who helped them. S. Berlusconi, A. Merkel, D. Trump.
Orban and his party often copied the German laws or some other European laws to make Hungary less democratic.
Orban says that he just copies a western precedent.
Because the precedents are real - the EU can not attack Orban - based on European precedents.
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The situation is not hopeless, however the EU must ellaborate principals for all members - in order to have an effect on Hungary.
As Immanuel Kant, the philosopher said. The law must be applicable for all.
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The main question is - freedom of speech.
Hungary has it.
The problem is not the lack of freedom but the unequality at the state media and in financial support.
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Oppositional parties have less opportunities to appear at state media and they have less money to finance their own media.
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Orban copied the way of bribing - used by German politicians in Russia.
Orban openly gives state money to churches, to German car factories - in order to get loyalty from them.
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Some German politicians did the same. So if Germany can do it - then Orban can do it, too.
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The whole Europe has problems with corruption. Even Ursula von Leyen (with Pfizer).
I wonder if Mearsheimer is in the audience as he's at Chicago as well. It would make an interesting discussion.
Watch - Munk Debate: Russia-Ukraine War
@@geoffwell oh really? are you professor too?
@@geoffwell Mearshimer was absolutely correct in 2015 about Ukraine. Video on this channel: Why is Ukraine the West's Fault? Featuring John Mearsheimer. this Michael McFoo worked with the Russian opposition in an absolutely unprofessional manner and for many years of his work in Russia did not lead to anything
@@efghggdxlmfn33 Nope, Mearsheimer was monumentally wrong. He didn't anticipate Putin's imperialism and in a way has fooled the west in Putin's service.
@@efghggdxlmfn33 Why does Russia invade its neighbours? Why does Russia steal land from other countries? It was Putins decision.
Because of dogs of war like Hagel, the US has spent over 10 trillion in the last decade on overseas wars. Life for the Afghan, Iraqi, Syrian, Libyan people is worse now then before the US invaded. US taxpayers lost, US soldiers died. In all it was an ignominious retreat for the US in the end. The same is repeating in Ukraine. Voters need to boot out all these warmongers, who are the mainstream of both parties. The wealth transfer to rich corporations is breathtaking. 10 trillion is a lot of money that can be used wisely inside the US for the benefit of Americans.
15 минут только хвалят друг друга, можно промотать.
tak tochno 😂
1ч 51 минут хвалят друг друга...
US celebrated a win when Soviet was broken....this time its Russia' turn to win...
The dark side of such diskussions are the boring welcome speeches, one has to endure. Here the audience is even punished with 4 (four) of them! Dear CPOST, one is enough, even if it's about a diskussion with such high-ranking guests.
Just be glad your not on the front line.
This time around the discussion was so poor that even the welcome speeches were better.
This is what UA-cam is fir skip the boring part.
Boring to listen too, but important to hear where the financing comes from......
very weak discussion between people who are all excuses and laughs on a subject that is such a tragedy to millions of people. And they say USA is world defender of human values. It is not even a joke, it is so disappointing
Here, we are watching well-educated, professional men of political career, eloquently and politely setting the world on fire and blaming it on Russia.
Hagel says Ukraine has been corrupt but Zelensky is different, conveniently ignoring the offshore bank accounts and multiple properties around the world Zelensky has built.
Seems like a good military perspective but a very weak analysis of political solutions. I think that the US may have taken a poison chalice with Zelensky.
Where is John Mearsheimer, a tenured UofC faculty member and card carrying realist? In order to have an honest, balanced discussion, you need him. Especially at the UofC. This is a very one sided, misleading discussion.
However, we cannot ignore the phone conversation between Nuland and Pyatt indicating USA involvement in regime change in the Ukraine in 2014. For some reason this is often ignored. I would love to see an active analysis by these people of the consequences of that US involvement in regime change and the civil war in Ukraine that came after. I think that if I were a student at Standford I would love to ask Michael this question.
These people are not analyzers, they are propagandists.
dude, I'm from Ukraine and I was on the Maidan. You believe in the conspiracy theory - there was no coup and civil war. No one asked this question because intelligent people would only laugh.
Basically, that's why you're not a Stanford student.
Because those people are brainwashed beyond repair
What did that phone call contain which proved US involvement in the revolution?
Nothing.
Yanukovych offered Yatsenyuk and Klitschko the prime-ministership, Nuland WANTED Yats to accept (IE work under Yanukovych), it was a bid to calm the protests and engender stability, but Yatsenyuk went against Nuland's suggestions. Literally opposite proof of 'US picking leadership'.
You underestimated Ukrainians because you do not understand their culture & spirit. ❇️ 🇺🇦🌻🌲🇺🇦 💪❇️🌻