What I found is that allies are more likely to join an war against a random member of the Empire over Austria. One option is to attack the empire and potentially dismantle while the Emperor asks to return Holstein. The cost of rejecting is that you attack Austria which will not take place if you are already at war with him. :)
The return holstein event fires only if you become denmark and immediatly? Trying to find a way to siege down bohemias capital and wanna know is there is time to rival them and do a humilation war. All other electors i can potential ally.
Norse Roman Empire is so cursed lol. People really sleep on Gotland. It has potential for some really wacky strats and is way stronger than most people think.
"Norse Roman Empire" Damn, as a Swede that sure sounds sexy. Name changes that is a must in such a play, Rómaríki, capitol 1 Rómagarðr, capitol 2 Miklagarðr. Miklagård is Constantinople and I know my ancestors called it Miklagarðr, not sure what they called Rome so Rómagarðr fits fine. garðr means castle, wall, house, enclosed space. ríki is Icelandic for kindom/country. Their launguage is the closes we have to Norse and I do not believe there were another word for empire. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Holy cow! When I played Gotland years ago, they were a challenge.😆 The minus 10% influence from "Curtail the states" is a banger. I always run into one estate getting to 100 and then I have to wait 5-10 years for all +5% influence to peter out. No attention club👍
I prefer to fulfill some nice Goatland monarchy missions like gold from Emperor and powerful allies and switch to pirate republic upon death of our ruler. Then Hansa and Prussia with stacked discipline and morale from brilliant pirate and Lubeck missions.
Historical friends with subjects doesnt matter much because you are gonna make them rivals either way in the denmark mission tree. You get a whopping 35 goods produced through having them as rival pu and some other useful modifiers
Hello BudgetMonk, you mentioned army drilling is more effective when your force limit is smaller, I think army drilling in general is not only underrated but also not understood well how the mechanics works, where the modifiers stack and so on, could you do a video with a detailed explanation on how it works? why smaller force limit is more efficient and so on thanks:)
Not much to explain there, you get scaling army professionalism based on your % forcelimit currently drilling... ideally 1 army professionalism per year if 100% of your forcelimit is drilling... so if your force limit is low, you're spending very little in maintenance to get that effect. Considering that recruiting a general would cost you (depending on modifiers) somewhere around 50-30ish mana (and recruiting generals is the primary way to get army professionalism, you get 1 point every time you roll a general), you're essentially saving on future mil point expenditure by using some cash in the early game. Once you have huge forcelimit, say 100+, keeping all your armies drilling costs you considerably more money, is more annoying to pull off, and by then idling them like this isn't ideal, you'd rather keep using your troops in wars rather than drill 'em for years on end. (I guess if you're truced with all your neighbors or if you're unable to attack due to strategic reasons or waiting for some CB or event to pop, drilling might be back on the table...) Drilling improves the quality of the drilled troops, at max dill it's quite nice, however you need quite a bit of modifiers to make it work well, and even then, it's not something you want to go out of your way for, just drill if you've got money to spare and you've got no wars to send your troops into at the time.
Hi Monk, thanks for the guide. May I ask what the motivation was to keep the fort in Gotland? It seems rough spending 2 ducats monthly having a fort there, I would argue that enemy troops landing there is game over anyways, making the fort pretty much useless. What has been your motivation to keep the fort?
You could instead claim and declare for blekinge, and take Bornholm instead. This allows you to join the empire and reconquer Holstein easily as you already have cores on him, and Austria won't protect them. This, of course, makes you a duchy, but you can get to Kingdom/Empire by getting the electorship or becoming emperor.
Thanks Budget Monk, appreciate this video and clear guide! I’m going to try it! Crazy idea.. I struggled a fair bit with my pirate Gotland, so I was wondering, is there a strategy to become a pirate republic after we get these unions? Or am I being crazy haha
It may be better to insult Denmark day 1, which will bring you to negative decimal prestige. However, being negative in prestige makes the burgher privilege give 20 prestige instead.
So the advantages to forming/ becoming denmark this way are: permanent 10 absolutism - 10 estate influence, 1 extra admin power for ruler and huge liberty desire reduction? And the money from the emperor reward. Am I missing more perm modifiers? Also would like to know what nations you could form next :)
@@BudgetMonk i saw some parts of your stream from a month ago. You were england for a long time than silesia into poland (poland for defender of the faith i assume ) for the norse faith. Its a brilliant run! Hopefully there comes more parts of this kinda guide.
The Gotland mission for loyalty with Sweden also means that none of Sweden's annoying Independence related events will happen - and importantly they no longer need to happen to complete Danish missions, which is the main time constraint on getting the improved government reform, integrating the Junior Partners and forming Scandinavia.
I got a silly question. But of you push the last mission (when you inherit Denmark) but not accepted, can you become a pirate republic and accepted the pop up to became a "Denmark" pirate republic?
I think it is possible. If you become Norse like we did you can raid via gov reform. Pirate republic has war against the world CB but is pretty weak apart from that. It depends on what you want to achieve as per usual.
On very hard, it is better to join the Lubeck trade league to avoid Denmark's assault. It will take only one month if you scornfully insult rival of them and take free merc company
You can simply lose Holstein. Which I think is most often the play. You can have full cores on the provinces depending on how other events went down. It is not have to begin diplo vassalizing nations especially with the extra rep you obtain. If you do an early dismantle or become emperor. It hardly feels like a loss.
Always glad for a monk video, but thought from the thumbnail that it was an OPM tier list video and was a little disappointed since I've seen the twitch version. Maybe an idea for a future video...
What I found is that allies are more likely to join an war against a random member of the Empire over Austria. One option is to attack the empire and potentially dismantle while the Emperor asks to return Holstein. The cost of rejecting is that you attack Austria which will not take place if you are already at war with him. :)
The return holstein event fires only if you become denmark and immediatly? Trying to find a way to siege down bohemias capital and wanna know is there is time to rival them and do a humilation war. All other electors i can potential ally.
Norse Roman Empire is so cursed lol.
People really sleep on Gotland. It has potential for some really wacky strats and is way stronger than most people think.
"Norse Roman Empire"
Damn, as a Swede that sure sounds sexy. Name changes that is a must in such a play, Rómaríki, capitol 1 Rómagarðr, capitol 2 Miklagarðr. Miklagård is Constantinople and I know my ancestors called it Miklagarðr, not sure what they called Rome so Rómagarðr fits fine. garðr means castle, wall, house, enclosed space. ríki is Icelandic for kindom/country. Their launguage is the closes we have to Norse and I do not believe there were another word for empire. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
You know a Monk guide dropped when you want to see it turn into a Let's Play.
Gotland is not only op but has one of the most diverse playstyles of any nation. One of my favorite nations to start as.
Holy cow! When I played Gotland years ago, they were a challenge.😆 The minus 10% influence from "Curtail the states" is a banger. I always run into one estate getting to 100 and then I have to wait 5-10 years for all +5% influence to peter out. No attention club👍
I prefer to fulfill some nice Goatland monarchy missions like gold from Emperor and powerful allies and switch to pirate republic upon death of our ruler. Then Hansa and Prussia with stacked discipline and morale from brilliant pirate and Lubeck missions.
Historical friends with subjects doesnt matter much because you are gonna make them rivals either way in the denmark mission tree. You get a whopping 35 goods produced through having them as rival pu and some other useful modifiers
Hello BudgetMonk, you mentioned army drilling is more effective when your force limit is smaller, I think army drilling in general is not only underrated but also not understood well how the mechanics works, where the modifiers stack and so on, could you do a video with a detailed explanation on how it works? why smaller force limit is more efficient and so on thanks:)
Not much to explain there, you get scaling army professionalism based on your % forcelimit currently drilling... ideally 1 army professionalism per year if 100% of your forcelimit is drilling... so if your force limit is low, you're spending very little in maintenance to get that effect. Considering that recruiting a general would cost you (depending on modifiers) somewhere around 50-30ish mana (and recruiting generals is the primary way to get army professionalism, you get 1 point every time you roll a general), you're essentially saving on future mil point expenditure by using some cash in the early game.
Once you have huge forcelimit, say 100+, keeping all your armies drilling costs you considerably more money, is more annoying to pull off, and by then idling them like this isn't ideal, you'd rather keep using your troops in wars rather than drill 'em for years on end. (I guess if you're truced with all your neighbors or if you're unable to attack due to strategic reasons or waiting for some CB or event to pop, drilling might be back on the table...)
Drilling improves the quality of the drilled troops, at max dill it's quite nice, however you need quite a bit of modifiers to make it work well, and even then, it's not something you want to go out of your way for, just drill if you've got money to spare and you've got no wars to send your troops into at the time.
Hi Monk, thanks for the guide. May I ask what the motivation was to keep the fort in Gotland? It seems rough spending 2 ducats monthly having a fort there, I would argue that enemy troops landing there is game over anyways, making the fort pretty much useless. What has been your motivation to keep the fort?
You could instead claim and declare for blekinge, and take Bornholm instead. This allows you to join the empire and reconquer Holstein easily as you already have cores on him, and Austria won't protect them.
This, of course, makes you a duchy, but you can get to Kingdom/Empire by getting the electorship or becoming emperor.
I usually play pirate as Gotland, it’s so fun to have such a so broken navy as an OPM, but I’ll try the kingdom route next time
Thanks Budget Monk, appreciate this video and clear guide! I’m going to try it!
Crazy idea.. I struggled a fair bit with my pirate Gotland, so I was wondering, is there a strategy to become a pirate republic after we get these unions? Or am I being crazy haha
I like to give to nobility the expand the fortification privilage, it gives 10% loyalty EQ and 5% influence, and makes your forst a bit better
It may be better to insult Denmark day 1, which will bring you to negative decimal prestige. However, being negative in prestige makes the burgher privilege give 20 prestige instead.
You lose relations at the end of the year. Not a good idea.
i dont know how you beat them before the independence wars fire off. in my 3 tries the Swedes always DOW first.
this is a very cool video, thank you mister monk
Great video
So the advantages to forming/ becoming denmark this way are: permanent 10 absolutism - 10 estate influence, 1 extra admin power for ruler and huge liberty desire reduction?
And the money from the emperor reward. Am I missing more perm modifiers? Also would like to know what nations you could form next :)
Not an endgame tag. So you can form w/e you want. Good options are Prussia and England.
@@BudgetMonk i saw some parts of your stream from a month ago. You were england for a long time than silesia into poland (poland for defender of the faith i assume ) for the norse faith. Its a brilliant run! Hopefully there comes more parts of this kinda guide.
The Gotland mission for loyalty with Sweden also means that none of Sweden's annoying Independence related events will happen - and importantly they no longer need to happen to complete Danish missions, which is the main time constraint on getting the improved government reform, integrating the Junior Partners and forming Scandinavia.
Real OGs know the strongest OPM is Ulm in EU3
I got a silly question. But of you push the last mission (when you inherit Denmark) but not accepted, can you become a pirate republic and accepted the pop up to became a "Denmark" pirate republic?
I think it is possible. If you become Norse like we did you can raid via gov reform. Pirate republic has war against the world CB but is pretty weak apart from that. It depends on what you want to achieve as per usual.
@@BudgetMonk I was thinking more for a easy start for The freest man in the world achievement. But thank you!
as a Gotlander, i approve of this
I love your amazing luck while recording a guide haha.
He pulled it pretty consistent on stream in his previous attempt.
I've been working on gotland for weeks now. On my 6th playthrough now.
The goat :)
Instead of introducing an heir, would it be even better to get an heir naturally in the first months?
GOATland
In a normal run you'd have Poland white peacing Denmark and then leaving you alone after they siege down some provinces and get stackwiped.
G.O.A.T land if I may
Some guy wrote a comment that you can become Denmark with PU's and then turn to pirate republic not losing them. Wanna try it
Wow, I just started a game as Denmark. But, eh, I'll restart as the *better* Denmark.
Nice strat! How you became Norse?
I will make a video on Topic of Norse. How to, advise, overall thoughts on strengths and weaknesses to Norse.
On very hard, it is better to join the Lubeck trade league to avoid Denmark's assault. It will take only one month if you scornfully insult rival of them and take free merc company
Is it unavoidable that you go to war with Austria over Holstein after you get Denmark?
You can simply lose Holstein. Which I think is most often the play. You can have full cores on the provinces depending on how other events went down. It is not have to begin diplo vassalizing nations especially with the extra rep you obtain. If you do an early dismantle or become emperor. It hardly feels like a loss.
@@BudgetMonk thank you! I will go on with my campaign then
Sadly it`s not possible with pirate Gotland
music in this is far too loud, also just a weird choice of music.
Bepic
Proud to be first
I'll watch this guide later, but I have no doubt that the video is great
Had to pirate the game ive been playing for 2000 hours because of the price changes , feelsbadman
Ulm?
True Ulm is best.
Ulm
Always glad for a monk video, but thought from the thumbnail that it was an OPM tier list video and was a little disappointed since I've seen the twitch version. Maybe an idea for a future video...