Foundation SX Ethernet Cable Review | Synergistic Research
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2024
- In this review Lee Scoggins explores the possibilities high-end cabling can achieve, and specifically the impact of Synergistic Research's SX Foundation Ethernet cable had on his system.
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Also, as most crazy audiophiles, at an age where a significant portion of the hearing is gone.
I'm 59 and I still hear really well. I know audiophiles much older then me that need their hearing for their job and they still hear excellently. I can't really explain how a roll off in high frequencies doesn't seem to have much effect. I buy IEMs regularly and if the IEM is known to be too bright for some, I can hear exactly what they're talking about. I supposed not getting too hung up on the proclamations of soft sciences and listening instead is the thing to do.
there's a lot more to audio perception than the extent of one's high frequency sensitivity.
check your ageism
I was going to write a witty reply to this video, but unfortunately my IQ dropped 20 points just by watching it and I am no longer able.
LOL!! Yes, I think everyone who has watched this video is genuinely more stupid now.
They sound awesome! Important: you need to cool them down to 2° Celcius.
The audio quest cinnamon digital ethernet cable is in my system now and it sounds really good. I am going to try the synergistic research foundation ethernet cable though because all of my interconnects and speaker cables are the foundations which made a draw dropping difference when I inserted them all into my system about a year ago.
I've found that the best female vocalist to listen to is Jane Monheit by far. Ron Carter made a comment about her incredible voice and said "If you know a better female vocalist, call me".
There's nothing to talk about. Snake oil 101. Synergistic Research and The Absolute Sound. You should all be locked up.
And of course you had someone come over and force you to perform a blind test😬
Why? To convince you? You'd just invent another justification for saying it's all nonsense. Our hearing is an incredibly good measuring device. Some theories by psychologists don't effect my hearing over time. Yes, it can be difficult at times to figure out if your mind is playing tricks. But over the hours and days and weeks we can sort out what's happening.
@@bunsw2070 not me, I know cables can and do sound different. But if reviewers are not performing blind tests, and I mean true blind tests, I’m not buying fully in to their reviews. There are some things as an electrical engineer I know make a difference. I designed and worked with electronics used in automation systems for industrial applications for 47 years (that means going back to the early days of analogue and digital low voltage logic) and learned a thing or two. I’m not the type of person to barrage reviewers with terms like “what utter BS”, or “show me the data”. I’m a real world guy and sometimes results speak volumes. In the industry I worked the difference was not subjective, it was fact. The darn thin worked or it didn’t, it couldn’t “kind of work”. In my opinion there is sufficient supporting information from experts in the field communications equipment that indicate that Ethernet switches and Ethernet cable cannot be responsible for many of the claims made, of course again this is my opinion. Make a video using at least three different listeners at separate times in a room with the speakers, not with the electronics, then for each switch out the cable and switches and see what each of them reports back. Don’t let them speak with each other until the tests have been completed. Sometimes we just want to hear what we’ve been told we will hear, or want to hear.
Happy listening.
@@bunsw2070 "You'd just invent another justification for saying it's all nonsense."
When it comes to the "sound" of a Ethernet cable it is complete nonsense
"Our hearing is an incredibly good measuring device."
If so - what is the problem to proof that by a double blind test 🙂
Claiming audiophil Ethernet cables would improve the sound is like claiming printing a Harry Potter book using a 1200 dpi laser printer make the story more interesting that it is printed using a 600 dpi printer
Lots of haters. If I gave them each a million bucks they would be first in line. At least with SR you get 30 days to try and can return no questions asked. I have the Foundation SX speaker cables. I did not send them back ( previous cable was 3 times as expensive 20 years ago) although it takes some break-in so if you have the ability to let them play nonstop for 4 to 5 days or know someone with a cable cooker it is definitely necessary to get 100 hours on them. I have no digital requiring USB so can't comment there. Go vinyl!
What I don't understand is that audiophiles by the most expensive equipment but don't trust the design, for the amount of money they pay, they may expect that the system is designed in a way that power and ethernet cables cannot influence the audio. If not, there is no explanation for the high price....
🤣Nice April Fools vid! Just a few days late.
These comments are shockingly full of rudeness, negativity, and also categorically false statements. The detractors here need to learn both personal skills and also the mindset of scientific discovery. People who passed kindergarten because their kindergarten teachers were too nice to hold them back.
A great review, other than it being almost 20 minutes of an unedited talking head. Thoughtful and compelling and I know SR's products well enough to know this is probably an accurate assessment.
You need to stop apologizing for grifters
You are correct in that all electrical signal transmission is analog. And yes, like any analog signal. the data stream in an Ethernet or any digital cable can pick up noise.
What you and many audiophiles don't understand is the concept of information encoding. Digital audio (or video) information is not dependent on infinite varying voltage levels. In order for noise to alter the data, it must be higher than 50% of the digital voltage logic threshold. And then bits are flipped and the effect is not subtle at all. Digital circuits are not linear. They operate in saturation mode, hard on or off. Any noise arriving on a digital cable (and it does) is squashed when it hits the first logic gate. As for noise coupling to analog circuits like DACs, Ethernet is differential transformer coupled by design. There is no ground wire to conduct the noise to a chassis. That is unless you are one of those audiophiles that thinks shielded Ethernet cables are better. That's right, use a shielded Ethernet cables to bond all your gear chassis together and encourage ground loops! Shielded Ethernet cables do serve a purpose like in a steel mill with electric arc furnaces in operation but in a home HiFi we hardly have that level of EMI/RFI to deal with.
You're allowed to think anything you want and judge these products any way you want, as well. However, I like science. I have yet to see any cable skeptics use science to prove a point. You may think that your post covers the topic well and provides useful information, but to someone like me, it makes no sense. And that's not meant to be an insult. Its just the facts. You have never used and compared these cables for yourself, and the technical aspect you list are generic and have not come from testing cables.
Like I said above, you're allowed to think whatever you want. However, the cable debate is approaching 50 years now, and the people on your side of the argument has yet to do a single, well done test conducted by a reputable source, that meets scientific standards, on any piece of high end audio gear ever made, cables or otherwise. Given the length of time involved, and how the industry has grown year after year, many generations of products, and the same people making repeat purchases, I think there's enough evidence there to warrant a test. We're talking about millions of people all over the world that are all getting similar results. I know from past experience that you'll almost certainly tell me that I should be doing the testing. And from a certain point of view, it may make sense. I've conducted some extremely well done blind tests that could pass for scientific. After sharing the results 100's of times, I can tell you 2 things with 100% certainty. If the results of the test are what you want them to be, you'll accept the results without question. If the results are not what you are wanting to see, you will not accept the test no matter how well done they are. So, if you want the truth, you're the one that has to go after it.
@@AT-wl9yq "but to someone like me, it makes no sense"
That's because you don't have a scientific or engineering background or the requisite education. You misunderstand what true scientific testing entails. A wire or cable is an electrical device. It follows the well documented laws of physics. In order to analyze it's performance requires other calibrated technical instruments. You may think plugging in various cables and listening, even if done blindly is a scientific test. Well it's not.
Human senses are very complex and highly developed. A lot more than any man made test equipment will ever be. And that is exactly the problem. Machines or test gear do not have emotions, expectation bias, influences from unrelated assumptions such as it costs more so it must be better. They report what they measure and to very high accuracy, especially today.
You talk about millions of audiophiles that buy and support these products. And I don't doubt that number at all. But what about the millions of electrical engineers and technicians as well as the critical industries that don't buy these snake oil cables or subscribe to the junk science behind it.
If these audiophile Ethernet cables for example are so good, why are the only used in expensive home audio systems? Why aren't they being used in critical data systems such as aerospace, military, medicine, the professional side of media distribution?
There is plenty of science that proves these audio accessory products are just snake oil. But you and many similar followers do not understand that science. You live in your own world of science as dictated by some audio guru with no formal experience in electrical engineering and related studies.
There are strict standards for making scientific claims. There are educated standards bodies that self police all industries. As a practicing EE of over 35 years, I have yet to see and formal scientific paper or peer reviewed testing supporting these audiophile accessory claims. The only place to find it is in advertising supported audiophile magazines and the websites and marketing materials from these charlatans.
@@AT-wl9yq You obviously have no concept what true scientific method involves. Plugging cables into an audio system and listening to the results, even blindly, is hardly a scientific process. Show us quantified measurements that can be duplicated by others following the same procedures. What you think you hear can only be heard by you and the various external influences your body has. This is why scientists and engineers have standards of measurement. Human senses are not part of them.
The old "did you ever try it"? Yeah I did in a sense. It's called the study of electrical engineering along with the required applied mathematics and physics. "millions of audiophiles" Ok how about the millions of electrical engineers and competent technicians who also claim this stuff is snake oil? You like science? Show me one accredited research paper that supports what the video host here claims.
If you are not an electrical engineer, then why do you feel comfortable saying things like "I have learned that better [ethernet] cables make a difference " and that "I have found that digital audio is really about ones and zeros arriving at the right place and time." What makes you say that?? Do you even understand what you are saying? Obviously not, because if you did you would know that the timing of when the ones and zeros arrive can't possibly affect the sound. I would love to wager some money that in properly conducted double blind test, you would not be able to distinguish between two reasonably well constructed ethernet cables. This is total BS snake oil. The absolute sound ought to be embarrassed by this, but obviously is well beyond embarrassment.
I'm a senior system admin and I find this video ridiculous. If streaming system running on TCP/IP there will be no audio difference that could cause by Ethernet cable if it not poorly made.
You all can read about it in the last subject of the computer-audio-misconception fact in mojo-audio's site.
So, knowledge without experience isnt ridiculous? What a joke..
@@FranzVonFitzenstrahldepend on what experience you mean. If someone try this kind of snake oil product and say that it make a difference I would say that experience is ridiculous.
Audiophiles are getting way to naive.
Timing on a cable makes little difference because by the time it gets inside the equipment it is error corrected and stored in a memory buffer and it makes no difference how it got there. Either the bits are correct or they are not. There is no in between. It would have to be a pretty bad cable to cause errors. And Denny won't tell you his trade secrets simply because there are no secrets to begin with. He is just selling expensive placebos.
At last someone who knows what they are talking about, Ted Denney does talk about the details of his products as he knows he will get caught out.Just remember they advertise in Absolute Sounds enough said!
If there is so much error in the cable. It will not work at all. Timing in data package has zero impact on the end buffer that sends the data onwards to the streamer. Lan cables has zero impact on sound what so ever
Let's get to the cable. Why all the Salesman jaw
Jacking. Those HFT things you talk about. Make your voice sound funny
A total lack of packet loss is what naysayers claim is the measure of a 'good' cable. This is rubbish. All the data will of course get there, it's WHEN it gets there that matters. All cables are ANALOG no matter what the stuff is at each end. There is no such thing as a 'digital' cable, and the picoseconds of timing matter greatly at the receiving end of the square-wave signal. Don't poo-poo, try it. If you have NOT tryed it, then you can't really post up can you ?
Timing is important for music files. Not data. There is a buffer in both ends. Lan cables has zero to do with timing. It's a function that's controlled by the receiver and sender. Nothing more nothing less.
Ethernet is a packet based transmission topology. It is highly asynchronous. There is no continuous stream of data in the first place. The data is fed into a buffer memory and clocked out at the required sample rate. The Ethernet cable quality has no bearing on packet to packet timing.
"and the picoseconds of timing matter greatly at the receiving end"
When music is streamed over the Internet it is splitted in data packets which even can arrive in a different order than they were sent by the source.
Also typically the transportation time for a packet is much shorter than the duration of the music it contains - so the timing of the transport is very different from the timing of the playback.
To solve this issues EVERY streamer contains a data buffer which is filled by the data arriving over Internet with variable speed and readen from the buffer with constant speed for playback.
As the Internet normally can transmit the data much faster than needed for playback this buffer normally never runs empty (which would cause an interruption in playback)
"WHEN it gets there that matters"
No - that matters is that it arrives "soon" enough. It does not matter if the data arrives 10 seconds to early (10 second before it is needed in the playback) or only 5 seconds because it is stored in that data buffer until it is needed for the playback.
An Ethernet cable could neither delay or speed up the data transmission
"at the receiving end of the square-wave signal."
"Square waves" are a very simple but not very efficient method to transmit digital data over cables or radio. Modern Ethernet (also WiFi) does not use Square Waves but Quadrature amplitude modulation (QAM) instead which allows much higher data rates
insanity at its finest lmao
Insanity
Please stop the silly