I grabbed one of these from my local recylcing shop a few months ago. Looks nearly identical, but mine has a Pentuim 4 and had Windows XP Media Centre Edition. I've put it all back to standard and thrown a Digital TV Tuner card in it. Everything works 20+ years later :) Cool piece of kit mate, diggin the channel!
Nice work and thanks! It sounds like the system I restored back a few months ago and did a video on. Mine is also still being used as a media center PC for fun!
My favorite era of computing. A port for everything. Disk drives, optical multidrives, media remotes, tv tuners, and 1747949429 in 1 memory card readers
@@TheRetroRecall my senior year in HS(2007) I bought my first computer like this with work/grad money. I drove out 2 hours to a Tiger Direct outlet store in Illinois for a refurbished Gateway media pc with first Gen Core 2 duo for $800 and a gt8700 for $250 plus the orange box.
That era of PC where they plastered them in stickers, funny times. I used to have a "e-machines" that had a massive sticker on the front saying "Never Obsolete", which of course it was after just 1 year.
If your area has any kind of "big" retro event, I highly recommend that you get a LAN gaming area setup. Our group has done it twice, and it's been a MASSIVE success. Free entry, kids and adults go play Unreal Tournament, DOOM, Duke 3D, and many other types of LAN type games. We had 11 machines up and RUNNING playing different games ranging from my little 486dx-80 up to a "massive" 1.2ghz AMD single core system, all running DOS 6.22 up to Win98. This machine, and some of your others, are more than capable of spinning up a LAN session. I have a goal of getting everything from my current 486 up to a Pentium 4 running at next years event, plus a server that's going to be the Unreal Tourney server as well as a file server for drivers and games and such. No internet access will be used on the LAN, of course, but, still, everyone had a blast with the setup.
I would love to however nothing like that is around here - yet. I could supply the systems, however could not dedicate the time to host. It's a fantastic idea. I may have a few local enthusiasts that could assist.
The only annoying part of a retro LAN is dealing with old protocols like IPX, NetBEUI etc and co-existing with TCP/IP as well as old Windows that needs to reboot if you squint at it hard enough. Man networking was something else back in the day 😅
During our meet, we actually had no problems getting IPX and TCP running both at the same time. My 486 was defaulted to boot into IPX but a reboot and being prompted to load the TCP drivers was simple enough. I THINK I could have run both at the same time. Under Windows 98SE (At least) getting both going and playing Doom was a non-issue while still having the ability to play Unreal.
I owned this model and bought it in a closing-down sale at a branch of Curry's back in the day. It was new but they were taking anything they could get to sell stock on the last day and I bought it for about a £100 new. It went on for about ten years before I finally could not upgrade it enough to keep it going for things I needed anymore. These Pavilion models were not the most exciting things even back then but they were reliable and kept on going.
+ The Retro recall. Great video as always this reminds of one of them old ass xp desktops which you would have back in the early 2000s which came in them huge ass box's.
That's because Intel was dominant in the market back then. Dollar to performance, Intel ruled over every other processor out there. That changed significantly with the release of Ryzen.
I had a tower in the early 00's that was an AMD chipset. 32 bit Windows XP Pro. It was decent but I can't remember who made it... pretty sure it wasn't a Dell or HP. The heatsink on the CPU was the size of an actual cinder block, with a box fan attached to the top. I remember that
Puhh, where to begin...first PSU: 300W Litheon PS-5301-08HF 2 CD-ROM Drives one is an burner Motherboard: Asus M3N78-VM 1 ALPS ELETRIC &CO Floppy drive RAM:4 Kingston KTM3211 DDR2 with 1G each CPU: 1 AMD Athlon 64 X2 with its Cooler 2HDD :Toshiba MQ01ABF050M with 500GB each Well...that's all i think since there is no auxillery fan or graphics card installed.
Love your channel. I was rather surprised when I first looked at your subscriber number that it was not a quarter million or more. The UA-cam algorithm seems to recommend your videos more than a few other channels with a million or more.
Thanks, I'm happy to have you along and I'm glad you are enjoying! I'm equally surprised - I'm hoping more people hit that Subscribe button :) about 60-70% of the viewers of this channel are not subbed which is unfortunate as they tend to return and continue to watch. A subscription really helps and it's free! :)
It's a really cool feeling when we find a system from our younger years and get it running again with the original software we had at the time. For me, it's quite nostalgic and one of the reason why I started the channel :)
Glad to see you back again. Hope you had a good vacation. HP made great products back then. I bought a HP Pavilion a320n that was bundled with a printer and a flat screen 17 inch CRT monitor from Circuit City in the Christmas of 2003. I loved that machine. I upgraded the ram, replaced the DVD-ROM with a DVD burner and added a GPU during its life. Played a lot of games on it and burned a lot music CDs and video DVDs. It was my main PC up until 2009 when I bought a Dell XPS. The 2000s is a great decade in the world of tech.
Thank you, I did! It was a busy summer for sure. Yes absolutely and so much fun as the hardware race was a real thing. It felt very exciting always wondering what was going to come out next :).
Do you think you would be able to find a Compaq Evo D51C or Compaq Evo D500 towers and do a video on them? They may not look like much but they’re pretty neat business oriented units.
I have a couple of EVOs, I'll have to see what their models are. I do think they have bad PSUs which will be a challenge as they are proprietary. I'll add this to the list and if I am able to, you will see it on the channel :)
"Allright, let's open this system up and see what we got"; Always my favorite part. Keep it time period perfect with XP. The stickers look rough, but you might be able to have them printed up at your local printshop or maybe even vistaprint could do it. 🤷♂
I have the same model with Windows XP installed. It runs well, very fast (for what it is lol) and I like it. Id say it would be cool to do another video on this machine, maybe make some upgrades to it (max out ram, upgrade graphics) then try games and other older programs on it
I don't think I've ever used the lightscribe feature. I don't even remember seeing the disks anywhere in stores and I worked at Circuit City when this was a new PC. The stickers was what I used all the time to sell the PCs. It beat trying to show msinfo32 to everyone.
The Athlon 64 is a decent processor for lightweight use. I'd restore this, but lose the labels (maybe transfer them to the inside of the case panel). It would be a good platform for a LFS project.
HP/Compaq started using Asus Motherboards in the early 2000's because it was cheaper than creating their own and they would get Asus quality backing them up, the motherboard I got recently was an Asus A7V8X variant from a Compaq, the only down side is that the support is reliant on the OEM provider rather than getting drivers/bios updates from Asus... a shame cause this was a pretty solid board that was supported by Asus longer than it was supported by Compaq/HP
Yes, it would be good if they were supported by the manufacturer VS the oem. However thanks to this community, they can live on - I really like The Retro Web project online for this exact reason :)
I try to max out the RAM on old systems. With a 64 bit processor, you need XP Professional x64 😁 It should be easier to find drivers for that system than it did for my Core i5 Lenovo LOL
15:22 you may go through all memory sticks in this computer, and end with some interesting situation - all of them are pc3200 grade, but for some reason computer runs them on lower speed grade. This may happen because of two reasons - processor limits the memory speed if all memory banks are populated (all socket 754 boards with 3 memory slots will never run memory on 400 mhz if you fill all these 3 slots with memory), not sure of socket 939 have this problem too, another reason is mismatching timings - pretty common thing in pre-ddr2 era. One stick have 3-3-3-8 timings, another have 3-3-3-7, another one have 2.5-3-3-7 and so on. If you think that computer is smart enough, and choose slowest timings from available on fastest speed - it will not, computer will search for one equal timing that all of memory sticks supports, and yeah, if it find this timing on 266MHz, it will run memory on that speed. Btw, this computer deserves dual-core Athlon 64 X2, with that single-core cpu its not very fun machine, rather something that barely can perform like mid-tier pentium4 computer, but with dual-core cpu it can perform just like early core2duo computers with ddr2 (!) memory, all because socket 754 and socket 939 cpus have integrated memory controller in cpu, and it was the best IMC that AMD processors have for all the times.
Appreciate all of this info, thank you! I'll check out the memory and board specs, and potentially a BIOS update. As for the cpu, I'll have to check to see what the max this board supports.
Hello I would love to see you take it and see how much memory it will allow. Also try and see if it will run windows 10 and try a graphics card as well. See how well a computer from 2005 will with stand 2024
I think it would make a great retro Windows XP Home system with the AMD 3500 2.2GHz. I'm sure you could get the restore and driver disk ISO's from the web archive. I would put in a 256MB PCIe graphics card, or even a 512MB or 1GB one. I would bump up the RAM to four 1GB sticks so it has the max installed. It should have SATA ports, so could put in something like a 500GB HDD. Kinda saying I would go nuts and upgrade it to the max. I have a Fujitsu Siemens Scaleo P that has an Intel Pentium 4 3.4GHz running XP Home and I put in a 512MB Graphics Card, 4GB RAM, two 500GB HDD's, DVD-RW, a 250MB Iomega ZIP drive, and a 1.44MB floppy drive. It runs like a dream, but want to upgrade the CPU to the P4 3.8GHz at some point to make it even faster, and will be changing the graphics card to a 1GB as I now have one not in a system anymore as I'm gonna be running my copy of Flight Simulator 2002 on it.
use for this machine I think would be a perfect little WinXP gaming system, just reinstall XP, the RAM & onboard video might be good enough for early-XP games, but both could be upgraded slightly to give it a little more punch. But that was the point in putting radeon graphics onboard was so you could do some gaming, just a few years before this you couldn't play anything more advanced than like Myst without adding a GPU, AMD/ATI were starting to merge and now we have APUs that can be full gaming systems in the palm of your hands (like the steam deck and similar systems)
Yes for sure, we kind of see the start of what they were doing to create what we have today. I also think you are right re XP. I would take it one step further and go with Media Center Edition :)
If you do put XP on it, be careful. Extended support ended almost 11 years ago and the only patches it's gotten since were for the Spectre and Meltdown security flaws.
I had a Dell 530 from back then up until a few years ago when the hard drive took a shit. It came dual boot from Circuit City with Ubuntu and Vista. I have a 2002/3 E Machines tower that I throw whatever onto... Stuff like TempleOS or testing versions of distributions that I wouldn't put on other hardware. If it will run on that, it will run on anything most likely
Honesty I would put mediacenter with xp and would be great, It could be good for retro games and light emulation. Even you could put a Linux as double booting for some internet, or put the browser that works in xp. Also you can use it for windows fundamental legacy pc that is like xp, and also use it as a thin client.
@@TheRetroRecall also since it has a card reader you can use it to boot into retro systems like w98 and Linux emulator systems like batocera. If I remember well hp had integrated by default on most oem pc of that time.
HP did Asus boards for many years. I pulled a Slot-A 700mhz Athlon board out of one of those terrible little bulbous HP cases and gave it a home in a proper tower with a nice AGP card for my wife's computer one year. Quite robust once I freed it from its terrible metal-and-plastic prison.
It's an A8AE-LE "Amberine" - Reports of it running an A64 X2 CPU, but they are super expensive in S939 - the cheaper ones are always going to be AM2 - and even the ADAxxxxx model numbers are split between S939 and AM2 Also prompted me on an issue I had with my skip find PB Imedia 1517 (RS480/SB400) - which downclocks the RAM from 1, to 2, and massively with 4 slots filled I Nlite'd what was hopefully a suitable driver for RAID/AHCI - I think the oldest I could find was actually SB600, but didn't work, then discovered it seemed to have a Sil3112, Nlite'd that and it worked (no floppy to do F6 with). Now I realise... it had 4 ports (there are FOUR lights!) and SB400 supports 2, Sil 3112 supports 2.
@@TheRetroRecall Seems the ATI 437A (SB400) IS the Sil3112 - devil of a job finding the driver I ended up using, so I can repack it for you if you want to set XP up in AHCI (RAID/JBOD) instead of IDE mode, can't find where I downloaded it now, or the one I unpacked from
Appreciate it. When archive.org is back up and running it would be great to get it saved. That said, do you Think that driver package would be included in the Snappy Driver project?
@@TheRetroRecall Does Snappy do XP? I downloaded the highest version I could get hold of, but now can't remember or find where it was, or what I unpacked from... It might have been a HP/Compaq SP rather than a zip. My downloads are a disorganised pile
Hey! Not sure if you remember me but I found the Dell Dimension desktop I was talking about! The specific model is the Dell Dimension L800CXE with an 800MHz Intel Celeron CPU and 128MB of RAM. I tested it and it does boot up! The 20GB Seagate HDD failed tho🤦♂️
I do! And that's awesome, minus the drive but that's to be expected. Hopefully a replacement is in quick order so you can get the system running again.
I guess it all depends on location and to be fair, I have SO many of these Dell's now lol. I would have to pass unfortunately. If I come accross one however, I will do a video!
@@TheRetroRecall Possibly. I have a Compaq from that era running modern Linux with a 64 bit single core Sempron, 512M ram, and a modern-ish GPU. It can run a web browser (brave/chrome) but it eats into swap. I'll see about adding more ram to help. I predict modern web features like SSL encryption will definitely push the CPU. Runs Doom just fine though.
@@TheRetroRecall It can also run Quake. Oddly enough, quake runs faster. Ironwail uses about 60% of the CPU at 150 FPS while GZDoom uses 70% at 75 FPS (and it stutters). After upgrading ram to 4G, it can actually run the web. Loading pages takes time since it hits the CPU to 100% but interacting with the page itself is fine, idles about 30%. UA-cam is a hard since it is bandwidth heavy and will stutter in videos since the hardware lacks vp9 and av1 decoders (using a radeon R5 340).
Any sticker makers in the comment section? Maybe you could make some remakes of the stickers on the PC just for a more authentic look? Not sure how hard that would be but I think it would look pretty cool if it had a full restore all the way down to the stickers.
Lets recover it, fully, you could use a 3.5 adapter to install HDD into one of the available 5 1/4 slots , leave the stickers , like you, i love the old style stickers and once they are gone they are gone :( you can trying using some tack glue to roll the stickers back into place. Once restored, do what it would have been like back then, first start off with slight upgrades, ram/process.. then go for video card, see what you can do without having to change out the power supply. then what could you do if you had the money to get a higher watt powr supply. what vid card would work in that system then..
@@TheRetroRecall There is 4pin molex to PCIe video card power adapters you can use for powering the PCIe cards. in 2005 there was Radeon X800 XL PCIe , GeForce 6800GT 256MB PCI-e, both of these use a 6pin PCIe power connector. These were considered best cards of the time.
It's a absolute miracle that it has 4 ram slots. This must have been from the period before that became against their biz model & corp philosophy. ... Also with that Athlon 64 you can install and use all of 4 gigs of ram. You could also look up if an Athlon 64 x2 would work in it.
@@TheRetroRecall 😂😂 Well, HP computers and I have something of a history. Their habit of using proprietary components made repairing them the stuff of nightmares... I'm talking Freddie Krueger level nightmares. I just think that the best home for those old HPs is a nice cozy landfill somewhere.
I grabbed one of these from my local recylcing shop a few months ago. Looks nearly identical, but mine has a Pentuim 4 and had Windows XP Media Centre Edition. I've put it all back to standard and thrown a Digital TV Tuner card in it. Everything works 20+ years later :) Cool piece of kit mate, diggin the channel!
Nice work and thanks! It sounds like the system I restored back a few months ago and did a video on. Mine is also still being used as a media center PC for fun!
My favorite era of computing. A port for everything. Disk drives, optical multidrives, media remotes, tv tuners, and 1747949429 in 1 memory card readers
Hahha so true!!! I remember those card readers being quite the thing at the time, however I just stuck with USB lol.
@@TheRetroRecall my senior year in HS(2007) I bought my first computer like this with work/grad money. I drove out 2 hours to a Tiger Direct outlet store in Illinois for a refurbished Gateway media pc with first Gen Core 2 duo for $800 and a gt8700 for $250 plus the orange box.
Nice!!! Ohhh Tiger Direct - I also remember those days. Never had a store, but I could definitely order from them!
I have a multi card reader that I still use, especially for the CF card slot. Some of the music gear I own uses CF for storage
HP consumer systems have been using mostly Asus motherboards since… the late 1990s? I think they may have used some MSI boards too.
They also had a manufacturer by the name of Pegatron making boards for them.
I was unaware, but pleasantly surprised!
Never heard of pegatron - I'll have to check that out.
@@TheRetroRecall Pegatron is owned by Asus I believe, they are very shadowy though.
Good to know, appreciated!
That era of PC where they plastered them in stickers, funny times. I used to have a "e-machines" that had a massive sticker on the front saying "Never Obsolete", which of course it was after just 1 year.
Hahaha yes I remember the emachines of that era quite well! I find the stickers if in good condition give it charm.
an era where one year in computer hardware pretty much was the equivalent of driving a 30 year old car
So true. Everything was changing so fast.
If your area has any kind of "big" retro event, I highly recommend that you get a LAN gaming area setup. Our group has done it twice, and it's been a MASSIVE success. Free entry, kids and adults go play Unreal Tournament, DOOM, Duke 3D, and many other types of LAN type games. We had 11 machines up and RUNNING playing different games ranging from my little 486dx-80 up to a "massive" 1.2ghz AMD single core system, all running DOS 6.22 up to Win98. This machine, and some of your others, are more than capable of spinning up a LAN session.
I have a goal of getting everything from my current 486 up to a Pentium 4 running at next years event, plus a server that's going to be the Unreal Tourney server as well as a file server for drivers and games and such. No internet access will be used on the LAN, of course, but, still, everyone had a blast with the setup.
great idea. Not only tell them how “LAN parties” worked, but also give them the opportunity to experience it
I would love to however nothing like that is around here - yet. I could supply the systems, however could not dedicate the time to host. It's a fantastic idea. I may have a few local enthusiasts that could assist.
Agreed.
The only annoying part of a retro LAN is dealing with old protocols like IPX, NetBEUI etc and co-existing with TCP/IP as well as old Windows that needs to reboot if you squint at it hard enough. Man networking was something else back in the day 😅
During our meet, we actually had no problems getting IPX and TCP running both at the same time. My 486 was defaulted to boot into IPX but a reboot and being prompted to load the TCP drivers was simple enough. I THINK I could have run both at the same time. Under Windows 98SE (At least) getting both going and playing Doom was a non-issue while still having the ability to play Unreal.
I owned this model and bought it in a closing-down sale at a branch of Curry's back in the day. It was new but they were taking anything they could get to sell stock on the last day and I bought it for about a £100 new. It went on for about ten years before I finally could not upgrade it enough to keep it going for things I needed anymore. These Pavilion models were not the most exciting things even back then but they were reliable and kept on going.
Agreed. I never experienced them much back in the day as I was a custom pc builder but they are fun to experience now.
+ The Retro recall. Great video as always this reminds of one of them old ass xp desktops which you would have back in the early 2000s which came in them huge ass box's.
Yes!! And always on the very top shelf you would look at walking by in a department store lol.
I really wish more PC's used AMD processors. In the wild I have found only 2 older systems that had AMD CPU's.
That's because Intel was dominant in the market back then. Dollar to performance, Intel ruled over every other processor out there. That changed significantly with the release of Ryzen.
I use both Intel and AMD on a daily basis. They're both good IMO.
Yeah, AMD was much less present back in the day due to Intel's market share.
Yeah, I always used Intel however did have a couple of builds with AMD back in the day.
I had a tower in the early 00's that was an AMD chipset. 32 bit Windows XP Pro. It was decent but I can't remember who made it... pretty sure it wasn't a Dell or HP. The heatsink on the CPU was the size of an actual cinder block, with a box fan attached to the top. I remember that
I have one of these as an Backup for some retro games...
Nice!!! Similar stats?
Puhh, where to begin...first
PSU: 300W Litheon PS-5301-08HF
2 CD-ROM Drives one is an burner
Motherboard: Asus M3N78-VM
1 ALPS ELETRIC &CO Floppy drive
RAM:4 Kingston KTM3211 DDR2 with 1G each
CPU: 1 AMD Athlon 64 X2 with its Cooler
2HDD :Toshiba MQ01ABF050M with 500GB each
Well...that's all i think since there is no auxillery fan or graphics card installed.
Hope you had a good vacation. That HP is a good candidate for restoration! Keep up the good work!
I did, thank you!! Yes agreed, I need to figure out the drive caddy seeing as how it is missing haha. An SSD would be much easier to adapt / mount.
Love your channel. I was rather surprised when I first looked at your subscriber number that it was not a quarter million or more. The UA-cam algorithm seems to recommend your videos more than a few other channels with a million or more.
Thanks, I'm happy to have you along and I'm glad you are enjoying! I'm equally surprised - I'm hoping more people hit that Subscribe button :) about 60-70% of the viewers of this channel are not subbed which is unfortunate as they tend to return and continue to watch. A subscription really helps and it's free! :)
Very nice retro PC finds!
Thanks!!
We had a family computer just like this one. So many of my first computing experiences on one of these. I'll have to find one again
It's a really cool feeling when we find a system from our younger years and get it running again with the original software we had at the time. For me, it's quite nostalgic and one of the reason why I started the channel :)
Glad to see you back again. Hope you had a good vacation.
HP made great products back then. I bought a HP Pavilion a320n that was bundled with a printer and a flat screen 17 inch CRT monitor from Circuit City in the Christmas of 2003. I loved that machine. I upgraded the ram, replaced the DVD-ROM with a DVD burner and added a GPU during its life. Played a lot of games on it and burned a lot music CDs and video DVDs. It was my main PC up until 2009 when I bought a Dell XPS. The 2000s is a great decade in the world of tech.
Thank you, I did! It was a busy summer for sure. Yes absolutely and so much fun as the hardware race was a real thing. It felt very exciting always wondering what was going to come out next :).
@@TheRetroRecall There was always something new around the corner in the 2000s. An amazing decade I am glad to have experienced. :)
Do you think you would be able to find a Compaq Evo D51C or Compaq Evo D500 towers and do a video on them? They may not look like much but they’re pretty neat business oriented units.
I have a couple of EVOs, I'll have to see what their models are. I do think they have bad PSUs which will be a challenge as they are proprietary. I'll add this to the list and if I am able to, you will see it on the channel :)
oh heck yeah that is the perfect basis for a 2004ish PC. i'd love to see it upgraded with a WD Raptor and an nVidia 6800 card
Agreed! I think worth those upgrades, it could definitely run a good selection of games.
@@TheRetroRecall thanks for replying. Hope you've had a good day and are looking forward to a great weekend.
Always my pleasure, thanks to YOU for being here!!!!
"Allright, let's open this system up and see what we got"; Always my favorite part. Keep it time period perfect with XP. The stickers look rough, but you might be able to have them printed up at your local printshop or maybe even vistaprint could do it. 🤷♂
Yeah, or possibly Gekenspiel online might be willing to do so. I think a decent upgrade and Windows XP MCE?
good to see you again pal. good vid
Good to be back. This summer has been a busy one!
I have one of these. Was my first 64 bit machine. I then replaced the socket 939 chip with a dual core, maxing out the board.
Nice!! And to hear that you still have it makes it even better!
I have the same model with Windows XP installed. It runs well, very fast (for what it is lol) and I like it. Id say it would be cool to do another video on this machine, maybe make some upgrades to it (max out ram, upgrade graphics) then try games and other older programs on it
Ohh there will be another video - a restoration and some upgrades for sure. Stay tuned :)
I don't think I've ever used the lightscribe feature. I don't even remember seeing the disks anywhere in stores and I worked at Circuit City when this was a new PC. The stickers was what I used all the time to sell the PCs. It beat trying to show msinfo32 to everyone.
Haha! Actually I was able to source some lightscribe media today so it will be fun to do a video on it :)
The Athlon 64 is a decent processor for lightweight use. I'd restore this, but lose the labels (maybe transfer them to the inside of the case panel). It would be a good platform for a LFS project.
I wonder what other CPU's this board will support. There's also a charm to restoring the system and adding a couple of small upgrades to help.
@@TheRetroRecallif that's a socket 939 then probably an Opteron 190 (unobtaniun) or an Opteron 180/185.
I'll have to dig through my stash and see what I have.
HP/Compaq started using Asus Motherboards in the early 2000's because it was cheaper than creating their own and they would get Asus quality backing them up, the motherboard I got recently was an Asus A7V8X variant from a Compaq, the only down side is that the support is reliant on the OEM provider rather than getting drivers/bios updates from Asus... a shame cause this was a pretty solid board that was supported by Asus longer than it was supported by Compaq/HP
Yes, it would be good if they were supported by the manufacturer VS the oem. However thanks to this community, they can live on - I really like The Retro Web project online for this exact reason :)
I try to max out the RAM on old systems. With a 64 bit processor, you need XP Professional x64 😁 It should be easier to find drivers for that system than it did for my Core i5 Lenovo LOL
Hahaha isn't that the funny thing! I think there are images of this system online, and good driver support so I should be good.
Good memories from 2005, thanks for video.
Agreed and no problem, thank you for watching!
Definitely it is it was my first computer as a kid windows xp or make a chrome desktop
Nice!!!
I remember seeing one of these at a cabin I stayed at, however I wasn't able to get it to turn on
Neat - I wonder why it wouldn't work, maybe a failed PSU.
15:22 you may go through all memory sticks in this computer, and end with some interesting situation - all of them are pc3200 grade, but for some reason computer runs them on lower speed grade. This may happen because of two reasons - processor limits the memory speed if all memory banks are populated (all socket 754 boards with 3 memory slots will never run memory on 400 mhz if you fill all these 3 slots with memory), not sure of socket 939 have this problem too, another reason is mismatching timings - pretty common thing in pre-ddr2 era. One stick have 3-3-3-8 timings, another have 3-3-3-7, another one have 2.5-3-3-7 and so on. If you think that computer is smart enough, and choose slowest timings from available on fastest speed - it will not, computer will search for one equal timing that all of memory sticks supports, and yeah, if it find this timing on 266MHz, it will run memory on that speed.
Btw, this computer deserves dual-core Athlon 64 X2, with that single-core cpu its not very fun machine, rather something that barely can perform like mid-tier pentium4 computer, but with dual-core cpu it can perform just like early core2duo computers with ddr2 (!) memory, all because socket 754 and socket 939 cpus have integrated memory controller in cpu, and it was the best IMC that AMD processors have for all the times.
Appreciate all of this info, thank you! I'll check out the memory and board specs, and potentially a BIOS update. As for the cpu, I'll have to check to see what the max this board supports.
I own a windows 7 era pavillion, and this chassis may've been used for a while before being flipped in the vista era which lasted into windows 10
Yeah I know it was common for sure just didn't know for how long. I love how standard it is though!
@@TheRetroRecall The one perk this has over the newest ones is the fact it's all ATX
100%!
@@TheRetroRecall HP was doing proprietary stuff, but that was on SFF and USFF desktops.
Good point. Glad they left these alone.
Hello I would love to see you take it and see how much memory it will allow. Also try and see if it will run windows 10 and try a graphics card as well. See how well a computer from 2005 will with stand 2024
I think the trick would have to be a distro of Linux to make it work properly. Win 10 may not fit the bill here.
@@TheRetroRecall I would be a good video to see which would work best for it. And see what kinda upgrades that mother board can take .
Agreed, I'll be checking to see if there are any BIOS updates as it being an ASUS board gives me hope.
I deleted my original comment as I could have sworn that this was an AGP based PC, but now I see it does have a PCIE slot. My bad
Haha no worries!!
I love bringing old HP systems into the now.
It's a fun (and sometimes frustrating) hobby!
I think it would make a great retro Windows XP Home system with the AMD 3500 2.2GHz. I'm sure you could get the restore and driver disk ISO's from the web archive. I would put in a 256MB PCIe graphics card, or even a 512MB or 1GB one. I would bump up the RAM to four 1GB sticks so it has the max installed. It should have SATA ports, so could put in something like a 500GB HDD. Kinda saying I would go nuts and upgrade it to the max. I have a Fujitsu Siemens Scaleo P that has an Intel Pentium 4 3.4GHz running XP Home and I put in a 512MB Graphics Card, 4GB RAM, two 500GB HDD's, DVD-RW, a 250MB Iomega ZIP drive, and a 1.44MB floppy drive. It runs like a dream, but want to upgrade the CPU to the P4 3.8GHz at some point to make it even faster, and will be changing the graphics card to a 1GB as I now have one not in a system anymore as I'm gonna be running my copy of Flight Simulator 2002 on it.
Nice build and thanks for the recommendation! I'm hoping an ISO is online.
Also put the leaf back in. That was it's home.
😂😂😂
use for this machine I think would be a perfect little WinXP gaming system, just reinstall XP, the RAM & onboard video might be good enough for early-XP games, but both could be upgraded slightly to give it a little more punch. But that was the point in putting radeon graphics onboard was so you could do some gaming, just a few years before this you couldn't play anything more advanced than like Myst without adding a GPU, AMD/ATI were starting to merge and now we have APUs that can be full gaming systems in the palm of your hands (like the steam deck and similar systems)
Yes for sure, we kind of see the start of what they were doing to create what we have today. I also think you are right re XP. I would take it one step further and go with Media Center Edition :)
If you do put XP on it, be careful. Extended support ended almost 11 years ago and the only patches it's gotten since were for the Spectre and Meltdown security flaws.
I think whenever a system like this is restored it's safe to say anything done with it is done so at my own peril lol!
I had a Dell 530 from back then up until a few years ago when the hard drive took a shit. It came dual boot from Circuit City with Ubuntu and Vista. I have a 2002/3 E Machines tower that I throw whatever onto... Stuff like TempleOS or testing versions of distributions that I wouldn't put on other hardware. If it will run on that, it will run on anything most likely
That neat - I never knew they would provide dual boot systems to consumers. Definitely a way to get people to try Linux!
hope they have a recovery iso on line
I agree and if not, this community is awesome and love to help! I'm sure we can come up with one.
Honesty I would put mediacenter with xp and would be great, It could be good for retro games and light emulation. Even you could put a Linux as double booting for some internet, or put the browser that works in xp.
Also you can use it for windows fundamental legacy pc that is like xp, and also use it as a thin client.
I think you are right with the XP MCE suggestion. I think it would just feel right and could look really sharp!
@@TheRetroRecall also since it has a card reader you can use it to boot into retro systems like w98 and Linux emulator systems like batocera. If I remember well hp had integrated by default on most oem pc of that time.
Yes for sure.
Hope you enjoyed your vacation, nice find you got there! Most CMOS batteries in systems this old are usually well dead but not this one.
I did and thanks!! I agree - I was surprised. Unless it was replaced, we will find that out during the restoration.
HP did Asus boards for many years. I pulled a Slot-A 700mhz Athlon board out of one of those terrible little bulbous HP cases and gave it a home in a proper tower with a nice AGP card for my wife's computer one year. Quite robust once I freed it from its terrible metal-and-plastic prison.
It's a bonus for us years later - I really like Asus boards.
It's an A8AE-LE "Amberine" - Reports of it running an A64 X2 CPU, but they are super expensive in S939 - the cheaper ones are always going to be AM2 - and even the ADAxxxxx model numbers are split between S939 and AM2
Also prompted me on an issue I had with my skip find PB Imedia 1517 (RS480/SB400) - which downclocks the RAM from 1, to 2, and massively with 4 slots filled
I Nlite'd what was hopefully a suitable driver for RAID/AHCI - I think the oldest I could find was actually SB600, but didn't work, then discovered it seemed to have a Sil3112, Nlite'd that and it worked (no floppy to do F6 with). Now I realise... it had 4 ports (there are FOUR lights!) and SB400 supports 2, Sil 3112 supports 2.
I really appreciate this added info!!! And there are 5 lights human! Zapppppppppp
@@TheRetroRecall Seems the ATI 437A (SB400) IS the Sil3112 - devil of a job finding the driver I ended up using, so I can repack it for you if you want to set XP up in AHCI (RAID/JBOD) instead of IDE mode, can't find where I downloaded it now, or the one I unpacked from
Appreciate it. When archive.org is back up and running it would be great to get it saved. That said, do you Think that driver package would be included in the Snappy Driver project?
@@TheRetroRecall Does Snappy do XP?
I downloaded the highest version I could get hold of, but now can't remember or find where it was, or what I unpacked from... It might have been a HP/Compaq SP rather than a zip. My downloads are a disorganised pile
Haha I believe it does yes - such a nice project.
Hey! Not sure if you remember me but I found the Dell Dimension desktop I was talking about! The specific model is the Dell Dimension L800CXE with an 800MHz Intel Celeron CPU and 128MB of RAM. I tested it and it does boot up! The 20GB Seagate HDD failed tho🤦♂️
I do! And that's awesome, minus the drive but that's to be expected. Hopefully a replacement is in quick order so you can get the system running again.
@@TheRetroRecall would there be a way I could get it to you? I don’t really need it and I think it would make a good video!
I guess it all depends on location and to be fair, I have SO many of these Dell's now lol. I would have to pass unfortunately. If I come accross one however, I will do a video!
@@TheRetroRecall ok👍
I appreciate the offer though!
This can upgrade as modern specs :)
SSD, more memory, pcie graphics?
@@TheRetroRecall MB too
Ah you mean keep the shell, but update it with modern components.
I would restore it as it still works
You mean restore it to original? Maybe there is an ISO online.to use as well.
I will say to upgrade the memory.
For sure! And maybe the HDD to an SSD?
More memory and SSD added with Win95 Media edition
Agreed! That would also be a fun /more era specific restoration.
This would be alot better looking with those advertising stickers removed! :)
I tend to leave them on the system, however I think you are right in this case as they are unfortunately damaged.
Great video
Thanks!
@@TheRetroRecall thanks
@0:20 "...plus taxes and all that fun stuff" ...yeah, real fun :)
😂😂😂 It was total Sarcasm I swear lol
@@TheRetroRecall
That's why I liked it. Lol.
Haha!
Finally, AMD. Nothing against Pentium 4 personally but it's nice to have a break from the P4/PD/Core era Intels.
Yeah, unfortunately AMD was much less present in this era.
Cool
Thanks!
Hello, nice computer ❤
Thank you!!
Nice! :)
Thanks!
10 bucks plus a 50 dollar climate change tax.
Lol
And another PCI modem for the pile. You can start an ISP with all those modems!
Lmao sooo many modems!
Would be a cool machine to throw a LAMP/WAMP stack on.
I'm not sure if I will be doing that, however I wonder if it could run modern Linux well enough for browsing?
@@TheRetroRecall Possibly. I have a Compaq from that era running modern Linux with a 64 bit single core Sempron, 512M ram, and a modern-ish GPU. It can run a web browser (brave/chrome) but it eats into swap. I'll see about adding more ram to help. I predict modern web features like SSL encryption will definitely push the CPU.
Runs Doom just fine though.
Hahha my toaster can run DOOM 😂😂
@@TheRetroRecall It can also run Quake. Oddly enough, quake runs faster. Ironwail uses about 60% of the CPU at 150 FPS while GZDoom uses 70% at 75 FPS (and it stutters).
After upgrading ram to 4G, it can actually run the web. Loading pages takes time since it hits the CPU to 100% but interacting with the page itself is fine, idles about 30%. UA-cam is a hard since it is bandwidth heavy and will stutter in videos since the hardware lacks vp9 and av1 decoders (using a radeon R5 340).
Nice!!! Thanks for sharing this.
Any sticker makers in the comment section? Maybe you could make some remakes of the stickers on the PC just for a more authentic look? Not sure how hard that would be but I think it would look pretty cool if it had a full restore all the way down to the stickers.
Now that would be a cool idea!
Lets recover it, fully, you could use a 3.5 adapter to install HDD into one of the available 5 1/4 slots ,
leave the stickers , like you, i love the old style stickers and once they are gone they are gone :( you can trying using some tack glue to roll the stickers back into place. Once restored, do what it would have been like back then, first start off with slight upgrades, ram/process.. then go for video card, see what you can do without having to change out the power supply. then what could you do if you had the money to get a higher watt powr supply. what vid card would work in that system then..
Love this recommendation - thank you! . I'll have to check out what video card would be era appropriate.
@@TheRetroRecall There is 4pin molex to PCIe video card power adapters you can use for powering the PCIe cards. in 2005 there was Radeon X800 XL PCIe , GeForce 6800GT 256MB PCI-e, both of these use a 6pin PCIe power connector. These were considered best cards of the time.
Thanks for this added info, it's quite helpful.
you are LGR cmon clint dont lie to me
Hehe, Canadian LGR?
Lol imagine!
Haha indeed! I love Clint, he's great.
It's a absolute miracle that it has 4 ram slots. This must have been from the period before that became against their biz model & corp philosophy. ... Also with that Athlon 64 you can install and use all of 4 gigs of ram. You could also look up if an Athlon 64 x2 would work in it.
With it being an ASUS board, I'm more confident to do a BIOS update if available. It will be interesting to see if it supports additional CPUs
Does this $10 HP Pavilion PC from 2005 still work??
God I hope not.
Haha why not???? Always fun saving this old tech and seeing how long we can keep it running :)
@@TheRetroRecall 😂😂 Well, HP computers and I have something of a history. Their habit of using proprietary components made repairing them the stuff of nightmares... I'm talking Freddie Krueger level nightmares. I just think that the best home for those old HPs is a nice cozy landfill somewhere.
😂 Lmao.
19:09 What ? This is not Windows XP include this PC, why not do factory reset install Windows XP OEM
No it isn't, as it did not have an HDD. As I explained I use a live Linux environment to test the hardware.