Jackson needs a locking nut
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- Опубліковано 24 кві 2020
- Installation of a locking nut after a failed attempt by the owner, needed to carve some wood away to make sure there was enough support without damaging the truss rod nut, then build it back up with a thick sycamore shim
I am currently working on installing my first locking nut onto a strat style neck, do you think it would be a good idea to use a chisel to make the shelf for the locking nut? I have a hand router but I just don't know if I can trust myself to not mess it up lol
If you have a jig for the router to give you a flat base then it's going to be easier once you set it up, I like using hand tools for more control and obviously no noise from power tools but it's really up to yourself - do what you're most comfortable with
@@5150stephen Alright, thank you for the reply!
quite a cleaver way to sand nut space down, with paper on nut. use sanding blocks to get nut wood falt though, not a chisel
@lordPix3lUK really depends what you're comfortable using, I'm very handy with a sharp chisel
Haha perfect song to test it on 🤣🤣 rock on with def leppard
I've got that same Guitar😃
You can use a fret file and just cut a little of fretborad
Not quite sure what you mean, I needed a good amount of space underneath and then have the nut at the correct height on top of extracting a broken screw
Question I’m going to try to attempt to replace my nut on my Jackson js11 and I don’t know if there is any specific locking nut that I should and if I need to modify my neck to fit the locking nut
If you don't need it in your application a regular nut will be fine - the owner of this had the strings pop out the nut when he played hard hence locking.
You could try a kahler style lock beyond the nut if that helps but for a floyd rose style nut you need to do the same work as this jackson needed
Great video - I may do the same to mine. Did the guitar hold its tune well after that when bending strings etc? Also, can you still adjust the truss rod?
Yes to the truss rod, I only made the shelf the same level as the top of the truss rod nut giving full access, as far as I can remember the tuning held - I do some bends in the brief playing demo at the end but didn't have a bar to test the trem plus the owner didn't really want to use it
Thanks - I have ordered a locking nut for mine and look forward to fitting it for added tuning stability@@5150stephen
I have a jackson js 22
The E string and B string pulled the nut down and thus separated on the neck, do you advise me to re-glue it or add that nut that you used?
Please reply
I would re-glue first, if you keep having issues then look into more drastic solutions
@@5150stephen thank you 🙏🏻
Might as well go all the way. Replace that bridge with a surface mounted floyd rose. Pain in the butt to fine tune without those tuners on the bridge.
Don't think the guy wanted to spend a ton of money on it, wasn't even a real floyd nut
Fine tuner or not you can flush mount or float either - EVH are all fine tuners set to dive only, no float, unless you're referring to a completely different floyd model
yes they pur a carbon fiber rod on each side of the truss rod.
you wouldn't think it would at its price point, but still really cool they thought of it - if any neck is going to warp it's more likely a cheap one haha
Is your headstock broken? I just want to do the same but I’m afraid for my headstock
No, there was a broken screw that needed removed
Quick question mate,when u tune ur guitar how did u do it in standard tuning as when I tune mine in standard I clamp nuts down it ends up too sharp sounds out of tune,when I tune whole step down clamp down it sounds still out of tune any tips how u tuned urs mate i dont have the fine tuners to help me mate.
are the strings sitting in the nut properly? like the angle is enough that they touch the full nut before going to the tuners and is the any movement in the nut?
@@5150stephen it seems to be looking fine mate,nut feels solid no movment it's that g string everytime I bend it up and down the kneck bye time I play a note it's out of tune slightly it's very random doesn't seem to be a problem at the bridge either feels solid,I see people with bone nuts they would put some pencil graphite? In the slots but with a metal locking nut I dont think that would work! The rest the strings did same for a while went out of tune when bending but I just kept bending then tuning to pitch ×4times or so they have sorted them selves out now,only the G string it just bloody horrible tune it up the soon as I bend a note it's out of tune within seconds? Very very strange mate! What u think it could be made.
@@5150stephen definitely no movment mate,they are touching the nut before going to tunners buddie just checking it now mate
Dont suppose you can remember the rough size of the shim. I wanna do the same with mine is all?
Probably about 3.5mm thick, and came up about 2-3mm short of the length of the nut because that's how big the shelf on the neck was after I got really close to the truss rod, then the width is just whatever the nut width of the guitar is - there's really no way for a "one size fits all" approach - really needs to be fitted to the guitar to get the right string height above the first fret with enough support underneath
Excellent answer the help is much appreciated 👍👍
If you have a screw broke off use and slotted roll pin and run the drill in reverse
Thanks for the tip - don't have any to hand but I'll see if I can knock one out of a tool to try it out on the next broken screw I encounter
@@5150stephen I have a question,
I have the same Guitar that you have there, and will just putting the locking nut help? Or should I stall a Floyd rose bridge to do dive bombs? Or is the locking nut enough?
And..
I heard that after locking the nut with the al key, the strings may go out of tune, and it can be adjusted using the fine uners in a Floyd rose bridge,
So if I wanted to install only the locking nut and I didn't Installed the Floyd rose bridge, then how will I tune the strings after I locked the nut?
Plezzzzzzzzzzzzz tell me what should I do?
I'm a beginner in these installments, 🙂🙂
@@Temmy_Jam If you're having tuning issues the nut will help, but a floyd will stay in tune better with heavy use, the reason it was installed on this guitar was the strings kept popping out the original nut - the owner doesn't use the trem at all
@@5150stephen so what should I do?
@@Temmy_Jam do you play hard enough to have problems at the nut? is it just tuning problems with the bridge? would having either a locking nut of full floyd set up achieve what you want to do with the instrument? simple yes or no questions but ask yourself and see what you think afterwards and weigh up the options against cost and what you need out of the instrument
I'm having a wee problem pal,I got my locking nut off 1 the screws was de faced had to drill the thing out,I cant get the last bit of metal out the hole absolute nightmare pal,but I'm needing to fill the holes re drill new holes and put a new locking nut on,let's say I got this ibenez s520 off a mate and he wrecked it lol I'm away to try to save it how would I fill up holes to re drill new holes I'm sorry if I sound thick I'm just wanting good advice from someone like urself bud,I see ur scotsman too iam too bud I'm Aberdeen mate,and also to shim it up could I use small washers or something like that,would glue hold the nut down to wood,please just some advice mate thanks
hard wood dowel - just drill the hole bigger, think I used 6mm for this, round washers might not be stable enough and give you tuning issues, I would use wood or a metal plate you can cut to size and drill through
@@5150stephen thank u so much mate so much appreciated thanks
whats the length of the nut?
Couldn't tell you off hand now, but I put the rough dimensions of the shim in response to another comment, but if you have the same model just measure it with an accurate ruler
why , why do people assume since I'm putting a locking nut on my guitar that I gonna use it as a locking nut like Floyd
. duh no Iam not . I got smart and decide to install one on a Dean strat because I want any around with drop tuning and that wy I don't have to replAce my nut and re slot the darn thing. it's called using your head ..vmandmine works fine it had string tres on it so I installed a string retainer ijysxt tuned and adjust till it was right I. the money the reason for string tres is either there are strings that area sharp or flat. that takes care of that so if u install a Floyd nut and the guitar had string trees u need to put ta floyd style retainer after the locking nut and yes there is a specific measurement I just don't k ow it off the top of my hhead.
I just ordered a Jackson Dinky JS11 and it doesn't have a locking nut either.
do you think you'll change it? the stock one should work fine after a set up, but this guy was having issues with it with the way he plays, tried to put the locking nut on himself, messed it up and that's where I picked from
@@5150stephen No, probably not. I'm going to be playing rythm with it anyway so I don't see the need for a locking nut, it shouldn't go out of tune if I'm just playing rythm and not solos using a whammy bar.
I got the same guitar im gonna attempt to install a locking nut this week its really needed when you use the whammy not sure what Jackson was thinking about putting a whammy but no locking nut they expected us to not use it or what ?
@@jessealc7746 hey did you installed locking nut??
I have a js11 and the stock nut broke at the high E string from the tension... I replaced with graphtec
did not try to put the lock tuners?)))
Wouldn't have helped, the owner kept knocking the strings out of the original nut and already tried to install the locking nut which was poorly fitted as he just tried to screw it on to the existing nut shelf
No need to change your nut. There is a better way to lock the strings on normal tuners.
The strings were coming out the nut during normal play according to the owner, he comitted himself to the locking nut and was more than happy with the end result after I fitted it properly
Im currently cringing at this workmanship
Why? I took it slow, accurately made the shelf and shim then properly fitted it being careful not to go into the truss rod nut, have good contact on all surfaces, set to the right height above the 1st fret and a broken screw removed and the hole plugged on top of that, tell me how I could have improved short of building a neck from the ground up with the locking nut in mind, and why not put your own video up if you can do any better within the parameters I worked with?
@@5150stephen you are literally hitting the headstock the chisel and methods left windows open for more damage. Right tool for the right job.
@@5150stephen wasnt bashing you..im just very meticulous when i build and work on guitars
@@evhguitarfancollectbuildan3478 Hitting the headstock? Gently tapping the plug in with a light weight rubber faced hammer with full support under that section of the neck is hardly hitting the headstock or causing any unwanted damage - Unless you're referring to a different part I missed in my re-watch
I'm very comfortable working with a chisel - I'm much more accurate with a sharp one that I would be setting up a router jig to make the cut, the perfect tool isn't everything, I'd say confidence in the tools you know you're good with outweighs that, I'm very meticulous too, I'm in full control the entire time knowing where to hold the guitar as I work, where to support and not let accidental damage happen, so yes it may open the window for someone like you that maybe isn't comfortable with a chisel, but jigging up with a router opens the window for more mistakes for me
Didn't think you were bashing, I can take valid criticism to refute but passing comments annoy me with nothing to back them up, I do good clean work, although this is a low end Jackson I'm well trusted with high end Gibsons and Fenders too - granted I'm not installing locking nuts on them but it's all circumstancial
Checked out your channel and subbed, you got some cool stuff up, looking forward to som EVH builds, I sold my frankie and shark to preorder the new Mex frankie back in November, just waiting patiently for it now lol
@@evhguitarfancollectbuildan3478 i should use a bit of masking tape at least
you dont need a locking nut for that kind of bridge
You can use a locking nut on any set up you want - I've seen them on Lindo acoustics
The reason for this one was the owner kept hitting the strings out the stock nut and he attempted to install this locking nut hence the broken screw removal, I gave him the option of a taller nut with deeper slots but this is the route he wanted to go
Exactly. The point is, u need fine tuners on the bridge when u use locking nut. The strings always goes abit sharp or flat when u lock the clamp at the locking nut. Another thing is, the shim under the locking nut looks kinda nasty. The shim should be bigger or same size as the locking nut coz when u push the trem arm, the strings behind the locking nut is gonna pull the nut towards the headstock which creates a very big downward pressure behind the locking nut. So if the shim under the locking nut is too small, the locking nut gonna become a seesaw which rocks against the shim, then the bridge is not gonna return to the zero point if u set it to floating or semi floating.
@@garyfxxk the first floyd rose didn't have fine tuners you tune accordingly (they still make and sell non-fine tuner floyds) - the owner probably removed the clamps AND doesn't use the trem anyway, he strummed so hard he knocked the strings out of the original nut and wanted to make this work, I offered to refit the original nut or similar with deeper slots but he didn't want that
I couldn't remove any more wood off the neck because I was down to the truss rod adjustment, so I fitted the shim to the space available it might look a little off but it's still solid maple supporting the majority of the pressure