I am glad that you are still taking a critical disinterest in this show. The discovery of your channel is one of the bright spots in this entire experience for me.
They can always buy out the contract, especially if it's not feasable or lucrative to spend nearly $billion per season only to come out with something a group of high school kids could produce on a shoe string budget.
I actually watched the entire series . . . not because I liked it . . . but because I knew it would be terrible. I was curious to see just how badly they could screw it up. Each episode was a new low . . . and half way through it actually got exciting. 😉 What can they do this episode to make it even worse? How can they top the last debacle? And yet every episode they somehow delivered! 🤣 Zero desire to repeat the process for another season however.
Thank you so much! 🫶 Sadly I had no choice. I think there were a few good visuals (though very gamey), but the story, the dialogue and a narrative bereft of all logic… that was hard to get through. I think the worst part was how proud the showrunners were. “Improving Tolkien” and comparing their work with Shakespeare… God it’s hard to make something up that sounds more arrogant 😂 I guess season 2 will bring us more moments like that 💀
But they think they're making it better because they're having more female directors and they're going to add more women characters. It seems they and we have completely opposite definitions of "a good show." 😂
@@CounciloftheRings yes that’s very true. And they think it is very virtuous to choose people who have no idea what they’re doing as long as they fit into the “correct“ categories. In addition to being unfair to people who have the experience yet are not hired, it’s actually also very unfair to the people who are put into positions for which they have no experience. Nobody will respect them, they will be very stressed out, the product will be very poor and probably nobody will hire those individuals again. It also really stinks for the people working for the clueless person in charge. At some point, the studios will lose so much money that they won’t be able to continue with the strategy.
Never forget Simon Tolkien is the head of the Tolkien estate now and he has his revenge over his father finally. They allready said they will make 4 themes
Rings of powers was destined to fail. The lotr fandom has a lot of common with other old fandoms such as star wars or star trek. These fandoms take the lore and their universum seriously. Every detail will be analysed and one does not simply cash in on a legacy fanbase. I think the final nail in the coffin of rings of power is that their product can't stand on its own. It is just a bad product and you can learn how to not write a TV show. That Amazon is even attempting to "make" a second season says something about them. Rings of power is dead
The LOTR`s fandom started when tv sets where not common. It is older than any other fandom and maybe that adds to the anger the fans feel when they watch this show. Grandparents have passed this story onto future generations.
I disagree. Star Wars fandom will gobble down anything. The lore changes to welcome any new stupid idea such as Boba Fett's father being the template for the clone troops. The majority of them now think the prequel are actually great and Anakin's turn to the dark side as it was presented made sense.
The Tolkien fandom knew this thing would be an abomination and never gave it a chance. Unlike Star wars and Star Trek fans who will ask for more no matter the abuse.
The Tolkien fandom knew this thing would be an abomination and never gave it a chance. Unlike Star wars and Star Trek fans who will ask for more no matter the abuse.
The Tolkien fandom knew this thing would be an abomination and never gave it a chance. Unlike Star wars and Star Trek fans who will ask for more no matter the abuse.
If the second season of Amazon streaming shows a man reading the appendix with someone gardening in the background, it would be much better than what is being done.
I’m surprised they’re ending this thing with Sauron forging the One Ring instead of showing Not-Celebrimbor accidentally forging it in a doddering stupor.
Rumours of McKay and Payne being sidelined, more rumours of the second series being delayed until perhaps 2025/26 and no official news of season 2 from Amazon since summer 2023. There is something afoot..
Firstly: All 16 rings were meant to go to the elves (300-500years world of infiltration & deception down to the drain) but Mairon of the Maiar(primordial angelic beings in simple terms as they are sort of beyond angels) disguised as a high elf named Annatar when he came to the elves pretending to be an emissary from Valinor on behalf of the Valar so it makes sense how alluring the ring is and how strong it’s pull on people is. (A bit too instant in the movies though) Galadriel soon saw right through him and especially when after speaking with him regarding not remembering him when in Valinor long ago where she learned from all the Valar thanks to being dominantly Vanyar/Teleri side over her Ñoldorin side where she gleaned from that encounter that she did not study under Aulë the Vala with any elf named Annatar ! But later named Sauron by the elves meaning deceiver! After all of this, The three elven rings were made in secret without Saurons touch upon them thanks to Celebrimbor! Remember Gandalf before he became Gandalf was the same species of entity Sauron used to be!! Wow hey? The Rings, in this case, would have lost their powers eventually due to the lack of the One Ring and possibly because they were designed to defeat evil, and evil, in the form of Sauron, had been defeated. The Three Elven Rings served their purpose for a long time. Two out of three of them had several different bearers Unlike the other Rings, the main purpose of the Three is to "heal and preserve", as when Galadriel used Nenya to preserve her realm of Lothlórien over long periods. The Elves made the Three Rings to try to halt the passage of time, or as Tolkien had Elrond say, "to preserve all things unstained". I can expand upon this based on any further statements & questions you have for me as a reply to this comment ! ❤ There is problem here with the Rings, the Three were supposed to be never touched by Sauron and that's why they were not corrupting…Sauron had not taken part in their making which made the Three more 'pure' unsullied by his dark power, unlike the Nine and Seven Rings! But Sauron in the show touched the very material they were made of!!! So technically he could have tainted them and corrupted! Even appendices of Lot tell us the order of making the rings, so they didn't even need the righs to more detailed writings in UT or Silmarillion: 1200 Sauron endeavours to seduce the Eldar. Gil-galad refuses to treat with him; but the smiths of Eregion are won over. The Númenoreans begin to make permanent havens. c. 1500 The Elven-smiths instructed by Sauron reach the height of their skill. They begin the forging of the Rings of Power. c. 1590 The Three Rings are completed in Eregion. c. 1600 Sauron forges the One Ring in Orodruin. He completes the Barad-dûr. Celebrimbor perceives the designs of Sauron. 1693 War of the Elves & Sauron begins. The Three Rings are hidden." 'Did you not hear me, Gloin?' said Elrond. 'The Three were not made by Sauron, nor did he ever touch them. But of them it is not permitted to speak. So much only in this hour of doubt I may now say. They are not idle. But they were not made as weapons of war or conquest: that is not their power. Those who made them did not desire strength or domination or hoarded wealth, but understanding, making, and healing, to preserve all things unstained. These things the Elves of Middle-earth have in some measure gained, though with sorrow. But all that has been wrought by those who wield the Three will turn to their undoing, and their minds and hearts will become revealed to Sauron, if he regains the One."
I made it as far as S1 E3, and your reviews are well thought out and I do enjoy how you flesh out the smaller details of the lore. Well done, Thank you.
interestingly their speech for sauron seems to almost be plagiarizing paradise lost. but..sadly, they have the rights to the name Olorin. Gandalf mentions it in LOTR one of his many names
Whenever I hear some plans and think "This has potential! This sounds interesting!" I just get reminded the next second: "Fool. It's Amazon.". It hurts so much... so much potential (especially when looking at the Concept Arts)... and yet so hard screwed up... It's still utter unbelievable...
Tom Bombadil is Melkor? That one is probably the worse heresy of all... well... actually maybe Galadriel and Sauron falling in "love".... or... wait....
Thank you for the video! It's almost painful to have such a high quality channel as yours talking about this very low quality show. Thankfully, it is so bad that nobody could ever confuse it with actual Tolkien writings. 😁⛅️
It has at least inspired me to make a very interesting video diving into “why RoP didn’t feel like Tolkien/ Middle-earth”. Lots of fascinating topics like cosmology, what makes a hero, the nature of Evil and what is Lotr really about, according to Tolkien? It will be the next major video I focus on ☺️ Thanks for sticking around and always commenting ❤️
@@CounciloftheRings It is an absolute pleasure to stick around with your channel! The video subject you’ve chosen sounds very interesting indeed - it has not occurred to me that somebody could make something positive out of this junk show. I don’t even want to say make lemonade out of lemons, because at least lemons are pure and unspoiled, even if they are sour. 🍋 😂
@@CounciloftheRings Fantastic idea! Introduce deep dive topics to explain where TRoP series went wrong?! I love that idea. And do it so no one has to watch the any of it and PLEASE don't take anything out of context. There are vultures commenting on this board waiting to pick a bone with you. [Sorry for mixing a metaphor and an idiom.😅]
@@dronesclubhighjinks @Enerdhil Thanks both of you! I guess we can always find something positive to talk about in regards to TROP's flaws. I think it's positive to talk about the deep lore at least hahaha
Gonna repost a comment I did on another vid with some added stuff. That theory of melkor and ungoliant being Tom bombadil and goldberry blew my mind. I have never heard such an asinine thing in all my life when the pair being as far apart as they are. They are so diametrically opposite of each other.
I very much appreciate you spending the time to flesh out the actual story, I like your methods of story telling and your own second age story, love your channel! thank you for staying loyal to the great J R.R. Tolkien
I managed a handful of episodes and checked out; nowhere in the show was the spirit of Tolkien discernible. I will, of course, follow your observations on Season 2 but refuse to watch another second of this tripe myself. Gird yourself, Council; I fear it may be a soul-destroying experience.
It was already a foregone conclusion that this show is beyond saving. Even though I have accepted that ROP is just bad fanfiction, it's honestly still jarring to see how incompetent and reckless the writers are.
It’d be awesome if your scripts get to be seen by Peter Jackson as well as The awesome people involved with War Of The Rorhirrim (Philipa Boyens, Fran Walsh as well as many others including WETA)
@@CounciloftheRings we can make it happen. We worked together with PJ through the entire trilogy and built the website where we all talked together back and forth with the team. All it takes is the dream and the action!
Why would they bother getting the rights to The Silmarillion if they are just going to ignore everything Tolkien wrote in the material they already have access to when they come to writing their crappy show? It just means they'll waste even more money on even more stuff they have no intention of using.
Hey anni 👋 They actually sort of did. Names are about the only thing they took and they even messed up some of those. I would gladly explain each thing, but it might be easier if you pick something, so I can elaborate on how they got it wrong ☺️
@@anni.68 Yo, Anni. Whaddup? I saw your comments on FoF's video from before Christmas. Your stance is admirable. I totally disagree with everything you post, but your arguments are very good.👍😁
I guess there are racists in all communities? I think a lot of criticism have falsely been labelled racism (both good and bad criticism). To claim all criticism is related to this is false, as House of the Dragon did something very similar, but was a huge success in comparison (on many parameters, btw). I agree with you that suddenly these "experts" spring up out of nowhere claiming to defend the fandom, though they're in reality casual fans that just watched the films. (I even used a meme with Óin saying "He says he's an expert" among other Tolkien enthusiasts). Nerdrotic, Just some Guy and George the Giant slayer are probably the worst examples. Knights Watch tried not to comment on the lore and only did it vaguely. I must admit I shook my head a couple of times listening to them commenting on the lore (often wrong - especially in the minor details). There's also a couple of extreme leftish trying to argue the show was great (even superior to Lotr), but I haven't been able to make it through a video yet. I'm impressed you liked Corey Olsen's coverage of the series. I tried watching a few of his videos, but I have never seen anyone grasping for straws that desperately. He even became a bit of a joke among some of the Tolkien channels, that had the same view on his stance. I think he was paid for it, so it's understandable he is willing to do all he can to portray it in a positive light - however it's not a very honest take. I don't have anything against him personally, but I think that kind of mentality is a weak character trait and I certainly won't silent the truth for a few pennies. Cheers! @@anni.68
@@anni.68 In what way did the show runners "ignore everything Tolkien wrote" you ask. Well... * The origin of mithril in RoP bears no resemblance to anything Tolkien wrote. The elves didn't need the light of the Silmarils to stay in Middle-earth, and Mithril had nothing to do with the Silmarils in anything Tolkien wrote anyway. * The forging of the 3 elven rings also bears no resemblance to what Tolkien wrote; they weren't forged before any of the others, Celebrimbor wasn't informed about the concept of alloys by Sauron, Sauron disguised as Halbrand wasn't introduced to Celebrimbor by Galadriel. Nor were they forged all together the way they were depicted in the show - and how did that work anyway? They used the same molten alloy mix to create the three rings, but one of them comes out a different colour, and therefore composition, than the other two? * The character of Galadriel bears no resemblance to anything Tolkien wrote. She wasn't the leader of the northern armies, or indeed any other army. She hadn't misplaced her husband. She wasn't pursuing Sauron for a thousand years, nor indeed any amount of time, on a revenge trip to avenge her dead brother. Her character in RoP was antithetical to the way she was portrayed in Tolkien's writing. Neither was she sent back to Valinor by Gil Galad, and she certainly didn't jump overboard from a ship as it came within sight of Valinor, to try and swim across an entire ocean, to meet by chance Sauron in disguise on a raft. That's the equivalent of jumping overboard a ship sailing to the USA when it comes in sight of the Statue of Liberty and trying to swim back to Liverpool in England. Tolkien never mentions her going to Numenor in the company of Sauron * The Numenorians didn't dislike the elves because the elves were taking their jobs; Tolkien was very clear on why that was. Isildur never had a sister, but did have a brother, missing from RoP. Nor was he a spoiled ineffectual generic teenager. Nor did she induce the Numenoreans to send an invasion army to see off the orcs in the Southlands. Tolkien wrote quite clearly when the Numenoreans did send forces to Middle Earth, why they did so, and at whose behest, and it wasn't Galadriel. * Mordor wasn't created in the Second Age, and it certainly wasn't created by someone sticking a broken sword key into a rock, to send a stream of water to blow up Orodrion. The whole Southlands in RoP was a pure invention by the RoP writers. Tolkien was very clear when and why Mordor was created; by Melkor in the Elder Days before even the First Age. * Tolkien wrote very clearly about how, when, and why Galdalf arrived in Middle Earth, and it wasn't in a meteor. * Tolkien never mentions Hobbits or Harfoots when writing about the Second Age beyond brief hints of them living in settlements near the Anduin. ... and those of just some of the ways the show runners ignored everything that Tolkien wrote.
I love your video, most of the chennel I found just simply don't care about the show, some might watch and give review but don't do a video like you. Good work sir!!
im honestly looking forward to your depiction of the second age, and was indeed wondering if you were still going through with making more episodes with that. i dont know a whole lot on the lore of middle earth due to never finding anything talking about said lore. i never knew anything about numenor before finding your channel, so anything even remotely based on the actual lore even if its fan-based is something i would generally look forward to. you did episodes one and two very well and i eagerly await more of it as well as the kingdoms of arda mod, whenever you are ready to release anything. in the meantime, ill enjoy every deep sigh of annoyance you make in regards to this putrid show they claim has anything to do with lord of the rings lol
Always great seeing another of your videos and it is good to hear your thoughts on the Rings of Power even if to know I’m not alone in my thoughts in regard to the show and worries on the future of the legendarium. It is impressive how much you invested into your Second Age series! I enjoyed every episode and look forward to the next ones - hopefully some time soon!
Why waste the money on a show that only lost viewers as the episodes came out. The only positive thing about the show was how beautiful the scenery was. Everything else was objectively shit.
Another one to note on the ainur having children: "Melkor had corrupted many spirits -some great, as Sauron, or less so, as Balrogs. The least could have been primitive (and much more powerful and perilous) Orcs; but by practising when embodied procreation they would (cf. Melian) [become] more and more earthbound, unable to return to spirit-state (even demon-form), until released by death (killing), and they would dwindle in force. When released they would, of course, like Sauron, be ‘damned’: i.e.reduced to impotence, infinitely recessive: still hating but unable more and more to make it effective physically (or would not a very dwindled dead Orc-state be a poltergeist?)." Morgoth's Ring, Myths Transformed, Text VIII
Gothmog was a child of sorts that he had with Ulbandi. The children of the other Valar were a result of their spiritual union, which may or may not even had any physical form of “sex”, at least not in the form we may imagine that word. Heck even in Valinor the elves hardly ever seen the Valar and the more likely ones were the Vanyar and any from the house or Finarfin.
Balrogs were made the embodiment of first age and pre first age power that would never die. Which is why Durin’s bane(Survivor of the War Of Wrath) was such a dangerous foe by the 3rd age. It wouldn’t be effected by Morgoth’s Ring/causing the LongDefeat(bleeding of magic from the world slowly).
So in this “Discussion of the Maiar” segment. They use the names “Gandalf” and “Mithrandir,” but are completely oblivious to the character’s original Ainur name, Olórin? Whatevs, Amazon. Whatevs.
The timeline is so messed up in this show that fans who have any interest won’t watch…what’s left is casual fans/viewers who based on season 1 isn’t many. This show won’t see a season 3
I really like your take when you reviewed season 1, its been a while, like you, I still dont have any hope for season 2. If the rumours are true then it will be way worse than season 1, If anything Simon Tolkien is the one to blame, if Amazon finally got some rights to silmarillion, its very likely because of him as he is in charge of Tolkien estate now. I just think Simon really don't care about his grandfather's legacy, he did write books but they are not successful, a mediocre writer at best. He's been under the shadow of his grandfather for far too long. Too bad he shares same surname , and that name is lucrative that big corp like Amazon is willing to pay top dollar to get some rights, I guess he will milk it as long as he can while he is sill alive.
Rumour is Simon Tolkien is somehow more involved in the show as well. Now, he is a huge disappointment, considering his view on Jacksons LOtR. It seems to me that he loathes the work of his father and grandfather, a very bad custodian of the Tolkien Estate. That he is mostly intrested in the money, not the legacy.
The secret flame is actually the Flame Imperishable and the only one to have contact with it is Eru Iluvatar. It's doubtful that Sauron and Dwarves were friends or even acquaintances. They were for the most part immune to Sauron's wiles. It was the men who came under Sauron's domain, with the nine rings for mortal men. As for Sauron having a child, I very much doubt it. After the War of Wrath Sauron was given the choice by Ëonwë to return and present himself to the Valar, because the Herald did not have the authority to forgive Sauron. Sauron then disappeared into the depths of Middle Earth instead. He was not seen or heard from until the Second Age when he appeared as Annatar at the fhe gates of Lindon. Gilgalad and Elrond mistrusted him and sent him away. He then went to Ost in Edhil, a city of Elves in Eregion. Where he then assisted Celebrimbor to create the rings. The three rings were created solely by Celebrimbor.
It makes zero sense and breaks the lore for them to call him Mithrandir, as that is a Sindarin (Grey Elf) word. The music of the Ainur was long before the awakening of the Elves (the Gods were still creating the world). If this rumor is true, it just shows how little disregard the showrunners have for the source material. They can't even be bothered to do a little research.
Teleri are a sub group of Sindar. Sindar essentially are OG elves that touched divinity upon visiting Valinor then returning back to Middle Earth(GreatJourney), where several like Elwë was an ambassador along with his two other brothers Ingwë and Elwë. Highly close to the likes of Tata&Tatyë, Enel&Enelyë & Imin&Iminyë. But it is interesting how Finwë was also a close friend and actual brother of Elwë(Elu Thingol) but Finwë became(Ñoldor) meanwhile Ingwë was the greatest of all but was a Vanyar and brother to the previous 2! Meanwhile Elwë’s other brothers Olwë and Elmó etc were both Sindar like him. And Elmo had a child named Galadhon who was the father of Celeborn! Guess who that one married. Yes. Artanis/Nerwen AKA Galadriel as he named her! ❤ But one more thing about Elwë’s brothers being from other clans. I’d have to say they’d have to be some form of half brothers or back them the OG elves of the Cuiviènen and the region around that where the other elves awoke and gathered up by one of the three main groups of elves belonging to one of those to 3 brothers had to have been a bit more ambiguous with how that they were ancient beings/creatures and all…. Because they all eventually are related to eachother via different r get grapevines. It’s very similar within certain races and cultures around the world. It’s just like this with my Native American friends who literally have so many different internal cultures that result in unending inside jokes about this sort of thing where everyone’s your aunty, which shares similar note in Korean; both with the respect thing and closeness level calling someone older than you aunty all the time and hardly getting a chance to use their given name unless you’re super close to them. But also a bit of “we’re all related some way or another so I just call you aunty” haha.
@@Makkaru112 yeah, sorry. I know this. I've read the Silmarillion 3x lol. I just misspoke. I should probably stop making comments when I'm half asleep. Thanks for the correction though.
My family and I pretend this abomination doesn’t exist. I watch UA-cam videos like this of it but otherwise, it’s a hypothetical idea and doesn’t really exist
I’m a huge horse lover and I’ve never wanted to see a horse centric anything less. Also, if this turns out to be true, how much do you want to bet that the horse Galadriel rides in season 1 will somehow end up being Shadowfax.
Show lost me when Halbarad was Sauron. OK if he was contacted king of the South. Needed to see Celeborn. Problems with Galadriel. I was horrified with new rumours. I also know Elrond as kind as summer was never shown even in Peter Hackson.
They are desperately trying to get virtue points from mainstream media, academia and social media. To Cultural Marxists, those points are more valuable than $$$$. It is an Election year in the USA, after all.
I hope none of this is true, it sounds god awful. Like genuinely some pits of tumblr level horribleness. Especially the part about Sauron "... what better way to forge their mettle than by allowing them to face Melkor's discord..." it's trying to paint Sauron as an ultimately good character, as Sauron's own actions in the Second Age is a result of Melkor's discord, and that's not at all what he was.
Even as a Tolien fan, I was (eventually) able to ignore the lore atrocity of S1 but the absolutely unforgivable thing about it was the utter contempt the creators had for the viewers. I don't think there has ever been a major show as badly written, badly plotted as this (acting, directing, costumes and CGI weren't much to write home about either but,...). The story and script they vomited up would shame a 10 year old, it was so full of illogical idiocy. The only thing that gave it value in the end was the enjoyment of partaking in the online roasting it so deserved.
The viewership numbers for this show are really bad. 37% of the people who started it actually finished it. That is an objective failure based on pretty objective numbers
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what the ffff is that fan theory of Bombadil and Gold Berry being Melkor and Ungoliant serving punishment, who came up with this "Tom was here before the dark lord came from the outside" might at a stretch refer to Sauron but in the context he speaks it it seems to refer to Melkor much more. Putting that and Tom's character together, including what we know of Melkor after his defeat in the war of wrath makes this who idea pure nonsense.
The show was truly awful! Anyone who bothered to read the IMD page could have guessed that it would be a disaster. They fired the one Tolkien expert they had so the total desecration could begin. Tolkien wrote a story inspired by European mythology, in other words the characters were too white. So what did Amazon give the fans, a show that cost a billion and looked like it came from the CW, with a cast of actors so bland you literally fall asleep watching them on the screen. Black elves in a tale that didn’t contain them (just to virtue signal). Plus the main protagonist stranded on a raft making moves on the greatest elf queen in middle earth, who by the way has spent a thousand years looking for him so she could murder him. Funny how there’s no buzz for the up coming season, wonder why!😅😅😅
The expanded rights will matter as much as in season 1 - they shove in bits of the lore they just bought here and there with no intention to make it matter to the story. They certainly ignored the entire Appendices. They must have negotiated for the appearance of the map of Númenor from Unfinished Tales. So? Does any audience remember hearing one place name in Númenor? For example, what's their capital called?
Tolkien was a well mannered reasonable chap but not prone to suffering fools. I feel sure that this whole disgusting enterprise could have been avoided if he'd just added something to his will to the effect that "no Americans should ever be allowed near my work". He lived long enough to see the early flourishing of vapid cheapness, sensationalism and stereotyped histrionics across the pond. IMO Jackson gets a pass - a well meaning Kiwi was up to the challenge - at least until he tried to stretch a slim simple charming children's story into an epic nine hour slog. Tolkien deliberately chose to write Silmarillion as "disputed history/myth" not dramatic narrative. He also had the wisdom to abandon a brief attempt at a sequel to LOTR, reasoning that the story was told and the only way to contrive a grand struggle between good and evil was through the failings of mortals and moral decay. if these rumours are true, it seems the silly Californians are planning to attempt foundation Middle Earth lore in the manner of a damn superhero story.
@IDontBuyIt50 I was speaking specifically of Tolkien. Just look at what the California writers' gang did with some version of the Second Age - it's stuffed full of US dramatic cliches like lone sheriffs, superpowers and disaster spectacle. And can we please admit that the dialogue lacks poetic finesse, cadence and scansion and sounds like a ten year old's attempt to sound profound and "olde worlde". It's all surface,
I don't understand defenders of Rings of Power. Especially "Tolkien fans" who say "Would you rather not have any Middle Earth shows?" I'm like "Yes. RoP is barely a Middle Earth show. It uses the names and labels. That's it. It's insulting." Most "fans" who like RoP have either only watched the movies and not bothered reading any books outside of LOTR and The Hobbit... or are schills looking for revenue and perks from Amazon.
In my experience it’s also people that never understood the cosmology of Middle-earth or what Tolkien’s stories were actually about. They treat the world as any other fantasy and miss all the deeper layers beneath that makes it what it is. Sadly a lot of modern people suffer from “presentism”, which clash with the spirit of what Tolkien wrote. Just look what Lindsey Weber said; “It felt only natural to us that an adaptation of Tolkien’s work would reflect what the world actually looks like,”. That’s the complete opposite of what you find in Tolkien’s works where there’s always a deep longing for the past. Something lost, that can never be regained. You only have to listen to the opening of the Fellowship of the Ring to get that; “Much that once was is lost, for none now live who remember it.” Anyway I’ll do a whole video on this.
I wasn't actually talking about their race-insertion, but no I don't think Arondir fits in with his modern barbershop fade haircut. Elves have long hair in all cases we know about. He is a Sinda in the show, not one of the Avari (that live in the east, not the south as far as we know). Black dwarves is pure wish-thinking, there's no evidence for it, but then one could argue that there's no statement about them all being white - however they're very clearly based on the Dwarves from Norse Mythology, so there's that. No I was actually referring to the spirit of the series as a whole. It's full of "presentism" which a lot of modern people suffer from. They think they are wiser/ superior/ better than people in the past. Everything now is better/ smarter/ superior. They feel better than them - though for different reasons. This is also seen in dialogue like "the past is dead. We either move forward or we die with it." It's pure arrogance and the complete opposite of what Tolkien wrote throughout The Lord of the Rings. Some interpret this deep longing to be united with a greater past to be their desire to be "reunited with God (Eru)". I think this is an interesting way of seeing it that connects well with Tolkien's faith. A different aspect they completely neglected. I'm not saying you can't like the show, you're free to do so, but it goes against everything Tolkien wrote and stood for. Simple as that. @@anni.68
@@anni.68 The fundamental problem with RoP was that the showrunners have shown they have little interest in accurately recreating Tolkien's written works, but to use the Middle Earth IP as a framework to write their own stories and ideas within. Which would be excusable if they didn't then change the story points, timelines and major character motivations and personalities. Proof 1: Galadriel was with her husband during the Second Age, trying to establish a kingdom of her own in Middle Earth to rival Valinor. She didn't have a buddy adventure with Sauron. Proof 2: Galadriel's motivation during the SA wasn't revenge on Sauron, but to make an alternate kingdom away from from the Valar and Valinor and be with her husband (who was never MIA). Proof 3: The Harfoots were sociopaths in the show. Tolkien would've never written their lore that way. Proof 4: The "they'll take our jobs" plot in Numenor. The men of Numenor were the greatest examples of mankind. They were tall and wise. It wasn't until they actively worshiped Morgoth that they began to diminish at the very end of the SA. Proof 5: Character accuracy. Book Galadriel was 6 foot 4 inches tall. This was because she was a Noldor. The actress who plays her in RoP has to look up at everyone when she talks to them. Female dwarves not having beards. Their skin color doesn't matter, but Tolkien was clear about females having beards. Proof 6: The istari didn't arrive in Middle Earth until the beginning of the Third Age. This is very established by Tolkien. Outside of those examples of have no interest in rehashing an argument on how inaccurate RpP is. There are articles and videos that go into detail about it. As for my own credentials. I've been a Tolkien reader since the very early 1980s. I've read The History of Middle Earth, Tolkien's letters and his main novels.
@@anni.68 The intent of Tolkien's characters was clear. The argument "Well we don't know that it didn't happen... is the lazy revisionist argument RoP writers used to do what they did: Tolkien never specifically wrote that Galadriel and Sauron
I almost want to watch this just to see how bad it is. However, I know that I cannot, as I have vowed not to support this abomination of a show in any manner. Not to mention, I watched the first two episodes of the first season, and then had to re-read the entire Silmarillion just to cleanse myself of the sin (and the bad taste). That said, I'm glad I did because I had not read the Silmarrillion in 20 years and I enjoyed it even more the second time. Good stories are ageless, and grow more beutiful the more you read them. This show however, is aging like a poopie diaper.
I didn't watch past episode 4 of the first season, iirc i only watched your videos to a certain point that covered them. Will probably do the same with season 2. As if I can force myself to sit through that garbage again. On the other hand I can't wait to watch your own season 1 past episode 2. Will make sure to rewatch the first 2 episodes too when more episodes are out. You can spend billionsto make something but if you don't put love into it, it won't ever be good. And you are clearly putting love into it so it's bound to be good!
So many things they could have adopted in the Second Age, yet what they came up with is abomination. 😔 As the good professor once said: "Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made."
Nothing to apologise for! It's just one of those fake Tolkien quotes that gets passed around a lot, especially by Nerdrotic and other large channels than don't care about checking their sources 😄It's far from the only one though. I have considered to do a "top 5 fake Tolkien quotes" or something like that, but it's not that interesting to be honest haha@@maoalexandros
Dum and Dummer 2.0 they are even more stupid than those writers of Game of Thrones. On the occasion, they still made some good dialogue. But these guys oh this is so bad.
The state of film making in general is in a dire state a quarter of the way through the 21st century. The 20th century on the other hand...well, _the proof is in the pudding._
Paraphrasing an unforgettable character from Chernobyl - TV series that is one of the best I've ever seen, in contrast to Rings of Power, which is one of the worst if not the worst... "This series will not be accepted by the actual Tolkien fans. It never happened. It will remain so immaterial to the fans that when it finally does die, it will be exceedingly hard to know that it ever existed at all. So why worry about something that isn't going to happen?" The life will go on, people will continue to read the books, they will still watch PJ's trilogy. Bezos' wannabe GOT project is just another activist mainstream film fart in the wind. Pardon my French.
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I am glad that you are still taking a critical disinterest in this show. The discovery of your channel is one of the bright spots in this entire experience for me.
Thank you! ❤
The three guys playing Sauron will merge at the end, like in Power Rangers, to create the Real Sauron from Amazon Studios(tm).
I'm just here for the reviews. It's going to be glorious.
Silver linning of this? The community we built around laughing at this abomination.
I agree with everything you said!
This show gave me and my sister such a great laugh when it came out.
True! Yes, all you can do is laugh at it 🤣
True, it feels good to slay the monster( prime) as a fellowship
Amazon lost so much freaking money with season1... how can they afford s2 when they're already laying off workers?
Their contract with the Tolkien estate requires at least 5 seasons
@bendent4416 oh no....
They can always buy out the contract, especially if it's not feasable or lucrative to spend nearly $billion per season only to come out with something a group of high school kids could produce on a shoe string budget.
No need to cry for poor Jeff Bezos....
@@bendent4416 Why would the Tolkien Estate do this to them?
I actually watched the entire series . . . not because I liked it . . . but because I knew it would be terrible. I was curious to see just how badly they could screw it up.
Each episode was a new low . . . and half way through it actually got exciting. 😉 What can they do this episode to make it even worse? How can they top the last debacle? And yet every episode they somehow delivered! 🤣
Zero desire to repeat the process for another season however.
Thank you so much! 🫶
Sadly I had no choice. I think there were a few good visuals (though very gamey), but the story, the dialogue and a narrative bereft of all logic… that was hard to get through. I think the worst part was how proud the showrunners were. “Improving Tolkien” and comparing their work with Shakespeare… God it’s hard to make something up that sounds more arrogant 😂
I guess season 2 will bring us more moments like that 💀
It’s truly mind boggling how they kept raising the bar of awfulness each episode. I’m sure there’s a drinking game in there somewhere.
@@CounciloftheRings Improving Tolkien?! The audacity, the arrogance of these b*tch*s!!! 😠😠😠
Shocking that the show writers are implying Morgoth and Ungoliant are Tom Bombadil and Goldberry. Does my head in that one.
It's as if after season 1, the people in charge of RoP sat down and discussed how to make season 2 even worse.
It felt like they started even before that. "Sauron will be like Walter White in season 2"... Jesus... what are you even talking about? 😂😂
But they think they're making it better because they're having more female directors and they're going to add more women characters. It seems they and we have completely opposite definitions of "a good show." 😂
We just live in a time where people aren't chosen on merit alone (sadly)@@dronesclubhighjinks
@@CounciloftheRings yes that’s very true. And they think it is very virtuous to choose people who have no idea what they’re doing as long as they fit into the “correct“ categories. In addition to being unfair to people who have the experience yet are not hired, it’s actually also very unfair to the people who are put into positions for which they have no experience. Nobody will respect them, they will be very stressed out, the product will be very poor and probably nobody will hire those individuals again.
It also really stinks for the people working for the clueless person in charge.
At some point, the studios will lose so much money that they won’t be able to continue with the strategy.
Never forget Simon Tolkien is the head of the Tolkien estate now and he has his revenge over his father finally. They allready said they will make 4 themes
Rings of powers was destined to fail. The lotr fandom has a lot of common with other old fandoms such as star wars or star trek. These fandoms take the lore and their universum seriously. Every detail will be analysed and one does not simply cash in on a legacy fanbase.
I think the final nail in the coffin of rings of power is that their product can't stand on its own. It is just a bad product and you can learn how to not write a TV show. That Amazon is even attempting to "make" a second season says something about them.
Rings of power is dead
The LOTR`s fandom started when tv sets where not common. It is older than any other fandom and maybe that adds to the anger the fans feel when they watch this show. Grandparents have passed this story onto future generations.
I disagree. Star Wars fandom will gobble down anything. The lore changes to welcome any new stupid idea such as Boba Fett's father being the template for the clone troops. The majority of them now think the prequel are actually great and Anakin's turn to the dark side as it was presented made sense.
The Tolkien fandom knew this thing would be an abomination and never gave it a chance.
Unlike Star wars and Star Trek fans who will ask for more no matter the abuse.
The Tolkien fandom knew this thing would be an abomination and never gave it a chance.
Unlike Star wars and Star Trek fans who will ask for more no matter the abuse.
The Tolkien fandom knew this thing would be an abomination and never gave it a chance.
Unlike Star wars and Star Trek fans who will ask for more no matter the abuse.
If the second season of Amazon streaming shows a man reading the appendix with someone gardening in the background, it would be much better than what is being done.
Even if the gardener is some dude who crossed The US Southern Border illegally?😅
If the second season shows a dumpster on fire for 10 hours, it would be much better than what is being done.
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I thought it was only 8 hours! No!!!😭
I’m surprised they’re ending this thing with Sauron forging the One Ring instead of showing Not-Celebrimbor accidentally forging it in a doddering stupor.
Council! long time no see. Good to see you again.
Rumours of McKay and Payne being sidelined, more rumours of the second series being delayed until perhaps 2025/26 and no official news of season 2 from Amazon since summer 2023.
There is something afoot..
We can only pray it will get cancelled
@@CounciloftheRings lmao. Please God cancel this show.
Firstly: All 16 rings were meant to go to the elves (300-500years world of infiltration & deception down to the drain) but Mairon of the Maiar(primordial angelic beings in simple terms as they are sort of beyond angels) disguised as a high elf named Annatar when he came to the elves pretending to be an emissary from Valinor on behalf of the Valar so it makes sense how alluring the ring is and how strong it’s pull on people is. (A bit too instant in the movies though) Galadriel soon saw right through him and especially when after speaking with him regarding not remembering him when in Valinor long ago where she learned from all the Valar thanks to being dominantly Vanyar/Teleri side over her Ñoldorin side where she gleaned from that encounter that she did not study under Aulë the Vala with any elf named Annatar ! But later named Sauron by the elves meaning deceiver! After all of this, The three elven rings were made in secret without Saurons touch upon them thanks to Celebrimbor! Remember Gandalf before he became Gandalf was the same species of entity Sauron used to be!! Wow hey? The Rings, in this case, would have lost their powers eventually due to the lack of the One Ring and possibly because they were designed to defeat evil, and evil, in the form of Sauron, had been defeated. The Three Elven Rings served their purpose for a long time. Two out of three of them had several different bearers Unlike the other Rings, the main purpose of the Three is to "heal and preserve", as when Galadriel used Nenya to preserve her realm of Lothlórien over long periods. The Elves made the Three Rings to try to halt the passage of time, or as Tolkien had Elrond say, "to preserve all things unstained". I can expand upon this based on any further statements & questions you have for me as a reply to this comment ! ❤
There is problem here with the Rings, the Three were supposed to be never touched by Sauron and that's why they were not corrupting…Sauron had not taken part in their making which made the Three more 'pure' unsullied by his dark power, unlike the Nine and Seven Rings! But Sauron in the show touched the very material they were made of!!! So technically he could have tainted them and corrupted!
Even appendices of Lot tell us the order of making the rings, so they didn't even need the righs to more detailed writings in UT or Silmarillion:
1200
Sauron endeavours to seduce the Eldar. Gil-galad refuses to treat with him; but the smiths of Eregion are won over. The Númenoreans begin to make permanent havens.
c. 1500
The Elven-smiths instructed by
Sauron reach the height of their skill.
They begin the forging of the Rings of Power.
c. 1590
The Three Rings are completed in Eregion.
c. 1600
Sauron forges the One Ring in
Orodruin. He completes the Barad-dûr. Celebrimbor perceives the designs of Sauron.
1693
War of the Elves & Sauron begins.
The Three Rings are hidden."
'Did you not hear me, Gloin?' said Elrond. 'The Three were not made by Sauron, nor did he ever touch them.
But of them it is not permitted to speak. So much only in this hour of doubt I may now say. They are not idle. But they were not made as weapons of war or conquest: that is not their power. Those who made them did not desire strength or domination or hoarded wealth, but understanding, making, and healing, to preserve all things unstained.
These things the Elves of Middle-earth have in some measure gained, though with sorrow. But all that has been wrought by those who wield the Three will turn to their undoing, and their minds and hearts will become revealed to Sauron, if he regains the One."
I made it as far as S1 E3, and your reviews are well thought out and I do enjoy how you flesh out the smaller details of the lore. Well done, Thank you.
interestingly their speech for sauron seems to almost be plagiarizing paradise lost.
but..sadly, they have the rights to the name Olorin. Gandalf mentions it in LOTR one of his many names
Danke! I hope you continue your one version of that.
Thank you so much! ❤️ It’s being worked on
Whenever I hear some plans and think "This has potential! This sounds interesting!" I just get reminded the next second: "Fool. It's Amazon.".
It hurts so much... so much potential (especially when looking at the Concept Arts)... and yet so hard screwed up... It's still utter unbelievable...
Bezoa once said he would have to finance a mission to Mars in order to spend all his money. But I think Rings of Puke will do that for him. Lol
Tom Bombadil is Melkor? That one is probably the worse heresy of all... well... actually maybe Galadriel and Sauron falling in "love".... or... wait....
it is cold outside, and a warm fire is just what one needs to stay warm
Thank you for the video! It's almost painful to have such a high quality channel as yours talking about this very low quality show.
Thankfully, it is so bad that nobody could ever confuse it with actual Tolkien writings. 😁⛅️
It has at least inspired me to make a very interesting video diving into “why RoP didn’t feel like Tolkien/ Middle-earth”. Lots of fascinating topics like cosmology, what makes a hero, the nature of Evil and what is Lotr really about, according to Tolkien?
It will be the next major video I focus on ☺️
Thanks for sticking around and always commenting ❤️
@@CounciloftheRings It is an absolute pleasure to stick around with your channel! The video subject you’ve chosen sounds very interesting indeed - it has not occurred to me that somebody could make something positive out of this junk show. I don’t even want to say make lemonade out of lemons, because at least lemons are pure and unspoiled, even if they are sour. 🍋 😂
@@CounciloftheRings
Fantastic idea! Introduce deep dive topics to explain where TRoP series went wrong?! I love that idea. And do it so no one has to watch the any of it and PLEASE don't take anything out of context. There are vultures commenting on this board waiting to pick a bone with you. [Sorry for mixing a metaphor and an idiom.😅]
@@dronesclubhighjinks @Enerdhil Thanks both of you! I guess we can always find something positive to talk about in regards to TROP's flaws. I think it's positive to talk about the deep lore at least hahaha
How nice to hear from you today, Council! Perhaps one day we'll see a follow up video about Dave and the toilet paper 😊
Hahaha if I ever do an in-depth video on screenwriting I sure will 😂
Gonna repost a comment I did on another vid with some added stuff. That theory of melkor and ungoliant being Tom bombadil and goldberry blew my mind. I have never heard such an asinine thing in all my life when the pair being as far apart as they are. They are so diametrically opposite of each other.
Yeah I totally agree!
I feel like the new trend in Hollywood and I’m pretty much all entertainment is “ How much money can we make from a horrible product.”
I very much appreciate you spending the time to flesh out the actual story, I like your methods of story telling and your own second age story, love your channel! thank you for staying loyal to the great J
R.R. Tolkien
Thank you! 🙏❤️ I hope to do him some justice, covering the Second Age more faithfully
I managed a handful of episodes and checked out; nowhere in the show was the spirit of Tolkien discernible. I will, of course, follow your observations on Season 2 but refuse to watch another second of this tripe myself. Gird yourself, Council; I fear it may be a soul-destroying experience.
Yeah I need to gather my strength in the weeks leading up to release 😂
It was already a foregone conclusion that this show is beyond saving. Even though I have accepted that ROP is just bad fanfiction, it's honestly still jarring to see how incompetent and reckless the writers are.
Since mainstream media is on their side, they don't care what we think
It’d be awesome if your scripts get to be seen by Peter Jackson as well as The awesome people involved with War Of The Rorhirrim (Philipa Boyens, Fran Walsh as well as many others including WETA)
Yeah, but I highly doubt it 😄
@@CounciloftheRings we can make it happen. We worked together with PJ through the entire trilogy and built the website where we all talked together back and forth with the team. All it takes is the dream and the action!
Why would they bother getting the rights to The Silmarillion if they are just going to ignore everything Tolkien wrote in the material they already have access to when they come to writing their crappy show? It just means they'll waste even more money on even more stuff they have no intention of using.
I guess they’ll use it as an argument against fans. “Even with the Silmarillion these racists fans are unhappy”
Hey anni 👋
They actually sort of did. Names are about the only thing they took and they even messed up some of those. I would gladly explain each thing, but it might be easier if you pick something, so I can elaborate on how they got it wrong ☺️
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Yo, Anni. Whaddup? I saw your comments on FoF's video from before Christmas. Your stance is admirable. I totally disagree with everything you post, but your arguments are very good.👍😁
I guess there are racists in all communities? I think a lot of criticism have falsely been labelled racism (both good and bad criticism). To claim all criticism is related to this is false, as House of the Dragon did something very similar, but was a huge success in comparison (on many parameters, btw).
I agree with you that suddenly these "experts" spring up out of nowhere claiming to defend the fandom, though they're in reality casual fans that just watched the films. (I even used a meme with Óin saying "He says he's an expert" among other Tolkien enthusiasts). Nerdrotic, Just some Guy and George the Giant slayer are probably the worst examples. Knights Watch tried not to comment on the lore and only did it vaguely. I must admit I shook my head a couple of times listening to them commenting on the lore (often wrong - especially in the minor details). There's also a couple of extreme leftish trying to argue the show was great (even superior to Lotr), but I haven't been able to make it through a video yet.
I'm impressed you liked Corey Olsen's coverage of the series. I tried watching a few of his videos, but I have never seen anyone grasping for straws that desperately. He even became a bit of a joke among some of the Tolkien channels, that had the same view on his stance. I think he was paid for it, so it's understandable he is willing to do all he can to portray it in a positive light - however it's not a very honest take. I don't have anything against him personally, but I think that kind of mentality is a weak character trait and I certainly won't silent the truth for a few pennies.
Cheers!
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@@anni.68 In what way did the show runners "ignore everything Tolkien wrote" you ask. Well...
* The origin of mithril in RoP bears no resemblance to anything Tolkien wrote. The elves didn't need the light of the Silmarils to stay in Middle-earth, and Mithril had nothing to do with the Silmarils in anything Tolkien wrote anyway.
* The forging of the 3 elven rings also bears no resemblance to what Tolkien wrote; they weren't forged before any of the others, Celebrimbor wasn't informed about the concept of alloys by Sauron, Sauron disguised as Halbrand wasn't introduced to Celebrimbor by Galadriel. Nor were they forged all together the way they were depicted in the show - and how did that work anyway? They used the same molten alloy mix to create the three rings, but one of them comes out a different colour, and therefore composition, than the other two?
* The character of Galadriel bears no resemblance to anything Tolkien wrote. She wasn't the leader of the northern armies, or indeed any other army. She hadn't misplaced her husband. She wasn't pursuing Sauron for a thousand years, nor indeed any amount of time, on a revenge trip to avenge her dead brother. Her character in RoP was antithetical to the way she was portrayed in Tolkien's writing. Neither was she sent back to Valinor by Gil Galad, and she certainly didn't jump overboard from a ship as it came within sight of Valinor, to try and swim across an entire ocean, to meet by chance Sauron in disguise on a raft. That's the equivalent of jumping overboard a ship sailing to the USA when it comes in sight of the Statue of Liberty and trying to swim back to Liverpool in England. Tolkien never mentions her going to Numenor in the company of Sauron
* The Numenorians didn't dislike the elves because the elves were taking their jobs; Tolkien was very clear on why that was. Isildur never had a sister, but did have a brother, missing from RoP. Nor was he a spoiled ineffectual generic teenager. Nor did she induce the Numenoreans to send an invasion army to see off the orcs in the Southlands. Tolkien wrote quite clearly when the Numenoreans did send forces to Middle Earth, why they did so, and at whose behest, and it wasn't Galadriel.
* Mordor wasn't created in the Second Age, and it certainly wasn't created by someone sticking a broken sword key into a rock, to send a stream of water to blow up Orodrion. The whole Southlands in RoP was a pure invention by the RoP writers. Tolkien was very clear when and why Mordor was created; by Melkor in the Elder Days before even the First Age.
* Tolkien wrote very clearly about how, when, and why Galdalf arrived in Middle Earth, and it wasn't in a meteor.
* Tolkien never mentions Hobbits or Harfoots when writing about the Second Age beyond brief hints of them living in settlements near the Anduin.
... and those of just some of the ways the show runners ignored everything that Tolkien wrote.
Please keep on with your critiques, you are well informed on the lore. You present a
balanced opinion with a great deal of deep cuts.
Cheers
Thank you! 🙏
Please cover everything wrong with rings of power s2, in 2022 this was my favourite hobby watching you correct the wrongs in the show.
Hahah sure! I'll see if I can endure the pain hahaha
your first 3 sentences were spot on
I love your video, most of the chennel I found just simply don't care about the show, some might watch and give review but don't do a video like you.
Good work sir!!
Thank you! 🙏
im honestly looking forward to your depiction of the second age, and was indeed wondering if you were still going through with making more episodes with that. i dont know a whole lot on the lore of middle earth due to never finding anything talking about said lore. i never knew anything about numenor before finding your channel, so anything even remotely based on the actual lore even if its fan-based is something i would generally look forward to. you did episodes one and two very well and i eagerly await more of it as well as the kingdoms of arda mod, whenever you are ready to release anything. in the meantime, ill enjoy every deep sigh of annoyance you make in regards to this putrid show they claim has anything to do with lord of the rings lol
Thank you very much! There’s a lot of cool history for Numenor, so there’s some good stuff coming up 😁
Always great seeing another of your videos and it is good to hear your thoughts on the Rings of Power even if to know I’m not alone in my thoughts in regard to the show and worries on the future of the legendarium. It is impressive how much you invested into your Second Age series! I enjoyed every episode and look forward to the next ones - hopefully some time soon!
The only thing this show can do is cancel and apologize and sell the rights to somebody else. And then erase from the platform forever.
Why waste the money on a show that only lost viewers as the episodes came out. The only positive thing about the show was how beautiful the scenery was. Everything else was objectively shit.
At this point I must assume they are intentionally annoying the fans 😂
Oh they most certainly are. Provoking with their political propaganda and disgraceful handling of the lore
Another one to note on the ainur having children:
"Melkor had corrupted many spirits -some great, as Sauron, or less so, as Balrogs. The least could have been primitive (and much more powerful and perilous) Orcs; but by practising when embodied procreation they would (cf. Melian) [become] more and more earthbound, unable to return to spirit-state (even demon-form), until released by death (killing), and they would dwindle in force. When released they would, of course, like Sauron, be ‘damned’: i.e.reduced to impotence, infinitely recessive: still hating but unable more and more to make it effective physically (or would not a very dwindled dead Orc-state be a poltergeist?)."
Morgoth's Ring, Myths Transformed, Text VIII
Gothmog was a child of sorts that he had with Ulbandi. The children of the other Valar were a result of their spiritual union, which may or may not even had any physical form of “sex”, at least not in the form we may imagine that word. Heck even in Valinor the elves hardly ever seen the Valar and the more likely ones were the Vanyar and any from the house or Finarfin.
Balrogs were made the embodiment of first age and pre first age power that would never die. Which is why Durin’s bane(Survivor of the War Of Wrath) was such a dangerous foe by the 3rd age. It wouldn’t be effected by Morgoth’s Ring/causing the LongDefeat(bleeding of magic from the world slowly).
Jack Black for Bombadil :)
So in this “Discussion of the Maiar” segment. They use the names “Gandalf” and “Mithrandir,” but are completely oblivious to the character’s original Ainur name, Olórin?
Whatevs, Amazon. Whatevs.
The timeline is so messed up in this show that fans who have any interest won’t watch…what’s left is casual fans/viewers who based on season 1 isn’t many. This show won’t see a season 3
I hope you're right
So much Looking forward for your episodes!!!
Thank you!
I really like your take when you reviewed season 1, its been a while, like you, I still dont have any hope for season 2. If the rumours are true then it will be way worse than season 1, If anything Simon Tolkien is the one to blame, if Amazon finally got some rights to silmarillion, its very likely because of him as he is in charge of Tolkien estate now. I just think Simon really don't care about his grandfather's legacy, he did write books but they are not successful, a mediocre writer at best. He's been under the shadow of his grandfather for far too long. Too bad he shares same surname , and that name is lucrative that big corp like Amazon is willing to pay top dollar to get some rights, I guess he will milk it as long as he can while he is sill alive.
Yeah he is quite notorious for his opinion on the rights and PJ's adaptation as well
Any episode was released yet?
I’ve watched the first few episodes but eventually stopped waiting for and watching it. It’s been great. I don’t miss it. 😌
It took me... One episode to know who was sauron, two to have an idea about what was going on and could not end the third, I think.
Rumour is Simon Tolkien is somehow more involved in the show as well. Now, he is a huge disappointment, considering his view on Jacksons LOtR. It seems to me that he loathes the work of his father and grandfather, a very bad custodian of the Tolkien Estate. That he is mostly intrested in the money, not the legacy.
Yeah his reputation is already extremely bad
The secret flame is actually the Flame Imperishable and the only one to have contact with it is Eru Iluvatar.
It's doubtful that Sauron and Dwarves were friends or even acquaintances. They were for the most part immune to Sauron's wiles. It was the men who came under Sauron's domain, with the nine rings for mortal men.
As for Sauron having a child, I very much doubt it. After the War of Wrath Sauron was given the choice by Ëonwë to return and present himself to the Valar, because the Herald did not have the authority to forgive Sauron. Sauron then disappeared into the depths of Middle Earth instead. He was not seen or heard from until the Second Age when he appeared as Annatar at the fhe gates of Lindon. Gilgalad and Elrond mistrusted him and sent him away. He then went to Ost in Edhil, a city of Elves in Eregion. Where he then assisted Celebrimbor to create the rings. The three rings were created solely by Celebrimbor.
It makes zero sense and breaks the lore for them to call him Mithrandir, as that is a Sindarin (Grey Elf) word. The music of the Ainur was long before the awakening of the Elves (the Gods were still creating the world).
If this rumor is true, it just shows how little disregard the showrunners have for the source material. They can't even be bothered to do a little research.
Teleri are a sub group of Sindar. Sindar essentially are OG elves that touched divinity upon visiting Valinor then returning back to Middle Earth(GreatJourney), where several like Elwë was an ambassador along with his two other brothers Ingwë and Elwë. Highly close to the likes of Tata&Tatyë, Enel&Enelyë & Imin&Iminyë. But it is interesting how Finwë was also a close friend and actual brother of Elwë(Elu Thingol) but Finwë became(Ñoldor) meanwhile Ingwë was the greatest of all but was a Vanyar and brother to the previous 2! Meanwhile Elwë’s other brothers Olwë and Elmó etc were both Sindar like him. And Elmo had a child named Galadhon who was the father of Celeborn! Guess who that one married. Yes. Artanis/Nerwen AKA Galadriel as he named her! ❤
But one more thing about Elwë’s brothers being from other clans. I’d have to say they’d have to be some form of half brothers or back them the OG elves of the Cuiviènen and the region around that where the other elves awoke and gathered up by one of the three main groups of elves belonging to one of those to 3 brothers had to have been a bit more ambiguous with how that they were ancient beings/creatures and all…. Because they all eventually are related to eachother via different r get grapevines. It’s very similar within certain races and cultures around the world. It’s just like this with my Native American friends who literally have so many different internal cultures that result in unending inside jokes about this sort of thing where everyone’s your aunty, which shares similar note in Korean; both with the respect thing and closeness level calling someone older than you aunty all the time and hardly getting a chance to use their given name unless you’re super close to them. But also a bit of “we’re all related some way or another so I just call you aunty” haha.
@@Makkaru112 yeah, sorry. I know this. I've read the Silmarillion 3x lol. I just misspoke. I should probably stop making comments when I'm half asleep.
Thanks for the correction though.
Nice! looking forward to S2 - only for this YT content
Thank you for this wonderful video.
Thanks for commenting ☺️❤️
Great video CotR.
Thanks! More is on the way 😁
They can never take the books away from us ❤
My family and I pretend this abomination doesn’t exist. I watch UA-cam videos like this of it but otherwise, it’s a hypothetical idea and doesn’t really exist
Well said, good sir!
Thx!
Wait, there's a season one?
I’m a huge horse lover and I’ve never wanted to see a horse centric anything less. Also, if this turns out to be true, how much do you want to bet that the horse Galadriel rides in season 1 will somehow end up being Shadowfax.
Oh dear
Already one horse died on the set of ROP...not even they could live with the shame of starring in such a shitshow.
Amazon and the crazy lot of producers and writers were the worst to happen to Tolkien
I'd probably watch Season 2, just to watch your reviews afterwards 😂 That dosen't count as hate-watching, does it? 🤣
Well, hate-watching is the only possible reason that I might subject myself to season 2.
rings of power drained my will to live
Just watch The Lord of the Rings and you will regain the will to live 😁
Show lost me when Halbarad was Sauron. OK if he was contacted king of the South. Needed to see Celeborn. Problems with Galadriel. I was horrified with new rumours. I also know Elrond as kind as summer was never shown even in Peter Hackson.
Sorry Jackson
I want to like it... that is what is sad
He was so obvious. Never mind the leaks.
Are they deliberately trying to anger the audience and Tolkien's fans?
Feels like it
They are desperately trying to get virtue points from mainstream media, academia and social media. To Cultural Marxists, those points are more valuable than $$$$. It is an Election year in the USA, after all.
I hope none of this is true, it sounds god awful. Like genuinely some pits of tumblr level horribleness.
Especially the part about Sauron "... what better way to forge their mettle than by allowing them to face Melkor's discord..." it's trying to paint Sauron as an ultimately good character, as Sauron's own actions in the Second Age is a result of Melkor's discord, and that's not at all what he was.
Even as a Tolien fan, I was (eventually) able to ignore the lore atrocity of S1 but the absolutely unforgivable thing about it was the utter contempt the creators had for the viewers. I don't think there has ever been a major show as badly written, badly plotted as this (acting, directing, costumes and CGI weren't much to write home about either but,...). The story and script they vomited up would shame a 10 year old, it was so full of illogical idiocy.
The only thing that gave it value in the end was the enjoyment of partaking in the online roasting it so deserved.
Well put! Yes at least we are many that dared call it what it is
Exactly! The roasting was my favorite part of the series.🤣😂
The viewership numbers for this show are really bad. 37% of the people who started it actually finished it. That is an objective failure based on pretty objective numbers
Yeah exactly my point in the previous video on RoP :D
1) Is that even possible?
and
2) Why is there a season 2 ?
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Rings of Power is a Tolkien fan's Nírnaeth Arnoediad. It will take divine intervention to fix things now...Where's Earendil, when we need him?
what the ffff is that fan theory of Bombadil and Gold Berry being Melkor and Ungoliant serving punishment, who came up with this
"Tom was here before the dark lord came from the outside" might at a stretch refer to Sauron but in the context he speaks it it seems to refer to Melkor much more.
Putting that and Tom's character together, including what we know of Melkor after his defeat in the war of wrath makes this who idea pure nonsense.
Some people seem to think that all mysteries are connected to each other 😒
The show was truly awful! Anyone who bothered to read the IMD page could have guessed that it would be a disaster. They fired the one Tolkien expert they had so the total desecration could begin. Tolkien wrote a story inspired by European mythology, in other words the characters were too white. So what did Amazon give the fans, a show that cost a billion and looked like it came from the CW, with a cast of actors so bland you literally fall asleep watching them on the screen. Black elves in a tale that didn’t contain them (just to virtue signal). Plus the main protagonist stranded on a raft making moves on the greatest elf queen in middle earth, who by the way has spent a thousand years looking for him so she could murder him. Funny how there’s no buzz for the up coming season, wonder why!😅😅😅
To watch Rings of power would be a great modern method of torturing.
The expanded rights will matter as much as in season 1 - they shove in bits of the lore they just bought here and there with no intention to make it matter to the story. They certainly ignored the entire Appendices. They must have negotiated for the appearance of the map of Númenor from Unfinished Tales. So? Does any audience remember hearing one place name in Númenor? For example, what's their capital called?
They bought the rights to pretend their show is deep to the general audience and continue to write their own abomination.
I for one look forward to the complete dumpster fire that season 2 will be.
Tolkien was a well mannered reasonable chap but not prone to suffering fools. I feel sure that this whole disgusting enterprise could have been avoided if he'd just added something to his will to the effect that "no Americans should ever be allowed near my work". He lived long enough to see the early flourishing of vapid cheapness, sensationalism and stereotyped histrionics across the pond. IMO Jackson gets a pass - a well meaning Kiwi was up to the challenge - at least until he tried to stretch a slim simple charming children's story into an epic nine hour slog.
Tolkien deliberately chose to write Silmarillion as "disputed history/myth" not dramatic narrative. He also had the wisdom to abandon a brief attempt at a sequel to LOTR, reasoning that the story was told and the only way to contrive a grand struggle between good and evil was through the failings of mortals and moral decay.
if these rumours are true, it seems the silly Californians are planning to attempt foundation Middle Earth lore in the manner of a damn superhero story.
@IDontBuyIt50 I was speaking specifically of Tolkien. Just look at what the California writers' gang did with some version of the Second Age - it's stuffed full of US dramatic cliches like lone sheriffs, superpowers and disaster spectacle. And can we please admit that the dialogue lacks poetic finesse, cadence and scansion and sounds like a ten year old's attempt to sound profound and "olde worlde". It's all surface,
I don't understand defenders of Rings of Power. Especially "Tolkien fans" who say "Would you rather not have any Middle Earth shows?" I'm like "Yes. RoP is barely a Middle Earth show. It uses the names and labels. That's it. It's insulting." Most "fans" who like RoP have either only watched the movies and not bothered reading any books outside of LOTR and The Hobbit... or are schills looking for revenue and perks from Amazon.
In my experience it’s also people that never understood the cosmology of Middle-earth or what Tolkien’s stories were actually about. They treat the world as any other fantasy and miss all the deeper layers beneath that makes it what it is.
Sadly a lot of modern people suffer from “presentism”, which clash with the spirit of what Tolkien wrote. Just look what Lindsey Weber said; “It felt only natural to us that an adaptation of Tolkien’s work would reflect what the world actually looks like,”. That’s the complete opposite of what you find in Tolkien’s works where there’s always a deep longing for the past. Something lost, that can never be regained. You only have to listen to the opening of the Fellowship of the Ring to get that; “Much that once was is lost, for none now live who remember it.”
Anyway I’ll do a whole video on this.
I wasn't actually talking about their race-insertion, but no I don't think Arondir fits in with his modern barbershop fade haircut. Elves have long hair in all cases we know about. He is a Sinda in the show, not one of the Avari (that live in the east, not the south as far as we know).
Black dwarves is pure wish-thinking, there's no evidence for it, but then one could argue that there's no statement about them all being white - however they're very clearly based on the Dwarves from Norse Mythology, so there's that.
No I was actually referring to the spirit of the series as a whole. It's full of "presentism" which a lot of modern people suffer from. They think they are wiser/ superior/ better than people in the past. Everything now is better/ smarter/ superior. They feel better than them - though for different reasons. This is also seen in dialogue like "the past is dead. We either move forward or we die with it." It's pure arrogance and the complete opposite of what Tolkien wrote throughout The Lord of the Rings. Some interpret this deep longing to be united with a greater past to be their desire to be "reunited with God (Eru)". I think this is an interesting way of seeing it that connects well with Tolkien's faith. A different aspect they completely neglected.
I'm not saying you can't like the show, you're free to do so, but it goes against everything Tolkien wrote and stood for. Simple as that.
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@@anni.68 The fundamental problem with RoP was that the showrunners have shown they have little interest in accurately recreating Tolkien's written works, but to use the Middle Earth IP as a framework to write their own stories and ideas within. Which would be excusable if they didn't then change the story points, timelines and major character motivations and personalities.
Proof 1: Galadriel was with her husband during the Second Age, trying to establish a kingdom of her own in Middle Earth to rival Valinor. She didn't have a buddy adventure with Sauron.
Proof 2: Galadriel's motivation during the SA wasn't revenge on Sauron, but to make an alternate kingdom away from from the Valar and Valinor and be with her husband (who was never MIA).
Proof 3: The Harfoots were sociopaths in the show. Tolkien would've never written their lore that way.
Proof 4: The "they'll take our jobs" plot in Numenor. The men of Numenor were the greatest examples of mankind. They were tall and wise. It wasn't until they actively worshiped Morgoth that they began to diminish at the very end of the SA.
Proof 5: Character accuracy. Book Galadriel was 6 foot 4 inches tall. This was because she was a Noldor. The actress who plays her in RoP has to look up at everyone when she talks to them.
Female dwarves not having beards. Their skin color doesn't matter, but Tolkien was clear about females having beards.
Proof 6: The istari didn't arrive in Middle Earth until the beginning of the Third Age. This is very established by Tolkien.
Outside of those examples of have no interest in rehashing an argument on how inaccurate RpP is. There are articles and videos that go into detail about it.
As for my own credentials. I've been a Tolkien reader since the very early 1980s. I've read The History of Middle Earth, Tolkien's letters and his main novels.
@@anni.68 The intent of Tolkien's characters was clear. The argument "Well we don't know that it didn't happen... is the lazy revisionist argument RoP writers used to do what they did: Tolkien never specifically wrote that Galadriel and Sauron
Even Rotten Tomatoes can't hide the fact that Season 1 was terrible.
I almost want to watch this just to see how bad it is. However, I know that I cannot, as I have vowed not to support this abomination of a show in any manner. Not to mention, I watched the first two episodes of the first season, and then had to re-read the entire Silmarillion just to cleanse myself of the sin (and the bad taste).
That said, I'm glad I did because I had not read the Silmarrillion in 20 years and I enjoyed it even more the second time. Good stories are ageless, and grow more beutiful the more you read them.
This show however, is aging like a poopie diaper.
Excellence.
For this show to be good there would have to be a total repentance.
If any of this is true, it's like shitting on Tolkien's grave. Utterly disgraceful! How dare they...?!
Same. I feel physically sick…
Good points!
Ugh! I want this terrible abomination of a show cancelled already! Simon Tolkien is a disgrace to the Tolkien name!
Also 2 views and 6 likes... how?
I think it's delayed
Cursed by Morgoth, but loved by Eru? I think it's just delayed a lot
I'm currently reading through the fall of Númenor must say I have zero interest in the rings of power
I didn't watch past episode 4 of the first season, iirc i only watched your videos to a certain point that covered them. Will probably do the same with season 2. As if I can force myself to sit through that garbage again.
On the other hand I can't wait to watch your own season 1 past episode 2. Will make sure to rewatch the first 2 episodes too when more episodes are out.
You can spend billionsto make something but if you don't put love into it, it won't ever be good. And you are clearly putting love into it so it's bound to be good!
Thanks!
Is Amazon trying to go bankrupt?
If we're lucky hahaha
Bezos needs a good write-off for his taxes.🙄
So many things they could have adopted in the Second Age, yet what they came up with is abomination. 😔
As the good professor once said:
"Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made."
That’s not an actual Tolkien quote though 😄
@@CounciloftheRings well, I stand corrected~ xD apologies
Nothing to apologise for! It's just one of those fake Tolkien quotes that gets passed around a lot, especially by Nerdrotic and other large channels than don't care about checking their sources 😄It's far from the only one though. I have considered to do a "top 5 fake Tolkien quotes" or something like that, but it's not that interesting to be honest haha@@maoalexandros
I never dreamed of the day that some people have the guts to butcher Tolkien's beloved myth to advance their woke message.
any chance they could hire on Peter Jackson?
Tom Bombadil and his wife should be played by Jack Black and Lizzo, like they did in The Mandalorian. 😂🤡
Dum and Dummer 2.0 they are even more stupid than those writers of Game of Thrones. On the occasion, they still made some good dialogue. But these guys oh this is so bad.
I'll never forget how D&D uplifted season 8 with Tyrion's dick jokes
Simon Tolkien is only after money and clout
The state of film making in general is in a dire state a quarter of the way through the 21st century.
The 20th century on the other hand...well, _the proof is in the pudding._
Paraphrasing an unforgettable character from Chernobyl - TV series that is one of the best I've ever seen, in contrast to Rings of Power, which is one of the worst if not the worst...
"This series will not be accepted by the actual Tolkien fans. It never happened. It will remain so immaterial to the fans that when it finally does die, it will be exceedingly hard to know that it ever existed at all. So why worry about something that isn't going to happen?"
The life will go on, people will continue to read the books, they will still watch PJ's trilogy. Bezos' wannabe GOT project is just another activist mainstream film fart in the wind. Pardon my French.
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There is nothing subjective about the Rings of Power. It was objectivly a 🗑 🔥 and boring at the same time.
did you miss nr 14?
No it starts at 09:12
@@CounciloftheRings my bad! Guess i was so upset Over all stupidity so i missed it.
Maybe Bronwyn is the mother and Theo gets killed by Sauron